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PostSubject: Revenge of the Nerds Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:18 pm

After Columbine and the Batman killer, another middle class nerd goes on the rampage:

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School gunman Adam Lanza ‘a loner’ and ‘one of the goths’

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DISTURBED Adam Lanza has been described as a loner who played computer games.

Adam Lanza killed his mother at their home in a well-off part of Connecticut before driving her car to Sandy Hook Elementary School armed with three weapons and gunning down 27 people including 20 children.

Lanza has been described as a "goth" a "loner" and a "genius" as cops try to work out a motive for the bloodbath.

Officials have also said the 20-year-old may have suffered from a personality disorder.

Lanza, who had had no criminal history, lived with his mother Nancy, who he gunned down at their home.

His aunt said her nephew was raised by kind, nurturing parents who would not have hesitated to seek mental help for him if he needed it.

Marsha Lanza said she was close with Adam Lanza’s mother and sent her a Facebook message on Friday morning asking how she was doing. Nancy Lanza never responded.

Marsha Lanza described Nancy as a good mother and kind-hearted.

Catherine Urso, who was attending a vigil Friday evening in Newtown, Connecticut, said her college-age son knew the killer and remembered him for his alternative style.

“He just said he was very thin, very remote and was one of the goths,” she said.

Adam Lanza belonged to a technology club at Newtown High School that held computer gaming parties.

Gloria Milas, whose son Joshua was in the club with Lanza, hosted one of the parties once.

She rembembered Adam's elder brother Ryan saying at one meeting: "“My brother has always been a nerd,” and added “he still wears a pocket protector”.

Joshua Milas, who graduated from Newtown High School in 2009, said Lanza was generally a happy person but that he hadn’t seen him in a few years.

“We would hang out, and he was a good kid. He was smart,” Joshua Milas said. “He was probably one of the smartest kids I know. He was probably a genius.”

Is this weakness avenging itself upon the world?
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PostSubject: Re: Revenge of the Nerds Sat Dec 15, 2012 2:21 pm



Child of divorce.

Raised by single mom.

"Mother was demanding of him."

Killed mom first.

Mom worked at that school.

"The children didn't harm him, but they were associated with his mother..."

Feminism & Misandry.
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PostSubject: Re: Revenge of the Nerds Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:22 am

The shooting itself is irrelevant. But it's being used as a pretext for gun control, disarming the populace.

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PostSubject: Re: Revenge of the Nerds Sun Dec 16, 2012 8:56 am

A goth? Seriously, all the goths I know are in their forties, fifties, and beyond.

And there they go with that "loner" description again, trying to compare someone with mental issues with people who are generally quiet and don't bother anybody.

Goth. Computer game player. Loner. "Genius" (?)

This is ridiculous, sensationalised news reporting.
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PostSubject: Re: Revenge of the Nerds Tue Dec 18, 2012 12:28 am

"Adam Lanza was known as someone that did not play well with others."

"He was not connected with other kids."

What is that supposed to mean? The justification here seems to be that because he is different, distanced, and "not connected" to other children was the cause of this incident.

Lesson of the story seems to be: Loner = crazy, Uniformity/sameness = stability
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PostSubject: Re: Revenge of the Nerds Tue Dec 18, 2012 1:58 am

This connection bullshit is something I started noticing being emphasised heavily at the last university I attended. It's expected that females are interested in communication and bonding, working in groups, but frankly, I don't enjoy that, so I hated having to be forced to work in groups with others where one must concede one's opinions to the "dominant" (whom I actually think is the weakest individual to be honest).

And...nobody likes people who are loners. They view them as being abnormal. This is because the world is composed of mostly extrovert types.

Now, what I wonder is, do most people at this forum view extrovert behaviour as masculine or feminine? Or is this something totally unrelated to gender? Are women really passive and thus introverted? It's hard to believe, seeing as to how many women seem to be in positions of power and are thus displaying extrovert traits.

Extroverts tend to want to be around others, especially groups. They like to be the centre of attention most often, and like to be dominant, and in some ways, this sounds almost like the trait of a narcissist. In some ways, this makes it a perfect personality type for females.

And this Lanza kid is someone with mental and emotional issues, and they try and make it appear that people who are individualistic are akin to "crazy loners" like him.

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PostSubject: Re: Revenge of the Nerds Tue Dec 18, 2012 2:43 am

The Lanza kid was clearly feminized. He had to suppress his manhood and adapt, like all boys. Wasn't he put on meds too? So there might have been some violent outbursts (extroversion) in the past...?

It's about consciousness. Shrinking spaces and all kinds of other factors force males to be feminized these days. This is of course an unnatural process. It's a form of castration. Boys are not allowed to express their feelings and emotions, because they are not predictable enough and do not belong in a "civilized" society.

Masculinity represents consciousness and femininity: unconsciousness. The shooting was well planned and organized, which would be considered masculine, but it was overall feminine. Because he died in the end. He did not make a point (because I assume he didn't know why he did it), and people were left in a guessing game, as to why he did it. Even though he shot his mother first and went to a school that was associated with her, people still DON'T WANT TO see. They want to stay unconscious, feminized. Because they have grown dependent on the system of feminization. It makes them feel safe and secure, being feminized themselves. So he is marked as merely a confused individual. Bad luck. An exception. Whereas in reality he is just an exaggerated form of the norm! Many boys today are raised by single mothers, without a strong male role model. Without a strong male teacher in their life. They have no guidance at all. Even if the father is present in the raising of a child these days, he too may be feminized already and unable to pass on male values and order to his child.

Introversion is not equal to passivity. On the contrary. Real introversion is very masculine. Consciousness (male) and unconsciousness (female) is the significant division here. Introversion leads to consciousness, but so does regulated extroversion, based on the insights of introversion. The term introversion is used too frivolous these days, even for autists and escapists who flee into online fantasy games. Real introversion means facing ones own past. Essentially: to know thyself.
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PostSubject: Re: Revenge of the Nerds Tue Dec 18, 2012 3:26 am

This idea of introvert vs extrovert is interesting. If anyone happens upon any studies or information relating to this nature, I'd love to take a look at it. I agree with introversion as being a more masculine quality. Introverts reflect on themselves, and their thoughts. They tend to separate themselves from the majority and take solitude in being by themselves with their thoughts or in the company of very few that share similar thoughts.
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PostSubject: Re: Revenge of the Nerds Tue Dec 18, 2012 4:44 am

In my college, in my experience with the kids there, the extroverted ones are those with the weaker character who crave attention and validation from the others.
Because I am so much older than them, I have noticed that my indifference towards them in general has actually hurt their feelings. Something of their self-worth hinged upon my reaction to their social advances. But they're mostly teenagers. They'll grow out of it.

On the other hand extroversion is necessary for the domineering personality. He must be able to communicate readily with the other and make his Will known. This requires an ability to meet and overcome social resistances. An introvert usually is in solitude as an escape. The escape of an invalid. Not at all necessarily masculine. It is actually more of a feminine archetype to be subdued and reserved; passive in the face of others.

There was one girl in my college, I refer to her as the Whorish One mentally, who dominates the other kids through first charming them with attention and flattery. She attempts to shock by affecting an exaggerated sexuality. One day, she asked me to walk her back into the city because the bus was delayed. The whole time she spent telling me how she wanted to be a porn-star and how sexually adventurous and experienced she was. How many times she'd been in trouble with the police and so on. She even pointed out to me, as we were passing, a young man who was being searched by the police, that she knew and who supplied her with drugs. She also, at my prompting, made orgasm noises at the passersby.
She was a crazy bitch. And I kept clear of her after that.
But she was extroverted in that way, which was her way of impressing and therefore influencing others. And it worked. With the other kids.

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PostSubject: Re: Revenge of the Nerds Tue Dec 18, 2012 9:59 am

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In my college, in my experience with the kids there, the extroverted ones are those with the weaker character who crave attention and validation from the others.

The family is the primary unit of all sensemaking and primary source for masculinity. If this is tainted or destroyed, any kind of behavior is possible. The amok boy probably lacked a future perspective. He thought: "If all women are like my mother, there is no reason to live." His mother probably left his dad, who had to pay. And she likely made condescending remarks about him. Women today don't need us anymore. The state is the last remaining alpha male.

The episode you tell about this girl is not unusual. This is the kind of women we have to deal with today and that the PUAs make a big deal out of chasing.

I stick with the more introverted quiet females, too. Who at least make an effort to keep their nonsense to themselves. (Who bite their tongue, so to speak.) In men however I admire the controlled extroverted kind, you described, that make their will known and are able to influence and control their environment. The quiet males are most often feminized maginas.
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PostSubject: Re: Revenge of the Nerds Tue Dec 18, 2012 10:55 am

Extrovert:
A psychological disposition seeking self in otherness.
It can be thought of as being representative of a more primitive sense of self, where, like animals, the fulfillment of need is governed by outwardly focused senses.
In such cases the identity sought by the mind is but a reflection of public opinion, popular decree being a dominating factor.

For this reason such minds want to impress others, so as to gain that positive feedback that enlarges their self-esteem.


Introvert:
A psychological disposition seeking self inwardly, through introspection or self-knowledge.
It is a product of an emerging self-consciousness, which is consciousness turned inward, or experiencing self from the vantage point of a detached bystander.
Sometimes it can be the consequence of a (re)action to external phenomena which threaten the mind forcing it to hide in its own imagination. An extreme of this might be considered solipsism: the denouncement of the world as being the total product of self.

Introspection, sometimes taking on the method of meditation, is a form of looking at the past, the sum of which is what identity truly is.
The study of self, in the immediate, becomes an analysis of the manifestations of this past, a deciphering of the physical so as to determine and understand the past, and so one’s own self.

Such mind usually become more discriminating as self-knowledge imposes a more clear concept of similarity and distinction.

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PostSubject: Re: Revenge of the Nerds Tue Dec 18, 2012 11:06 am

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On the other hand extroversion is necessary for the domineering personality. He must be able to communicate readily with the other and make his Will known. This requires an ability to meet and overcome social resistances. An introvert usually is in solitude as an escape. The escape of an invalid. Not at all necessarily masculine. It is actually more of a feminine archetype to be subdued and reserved; passive in the face of others.

I would say I lean more towards the introverted type, but I wouldn't consider it a weakness. Among my supposed peers in college I am rather indifferent and I find their needs and craving for attention, to make their wills known so to speak to be rather unimpressive. When I do not speak, I simply choose not to because making my will known to others isn't always beneficial to me.
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PostSubject: Re: Revenge of the Nerds Tue Dec 18, 2012 4:51 pm

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I would say I lean more towards the introverted type, but I wouldn't consider it a weakness. Among my supposed peers in college I am rather indifferent and I find their needs and craving for attention, to make their wills known so to speak to be rather unimpressive. When I do not speak, I simply choose not to because making my will known to others isn't always beneficial to me.

The 20's are the most horrible time. My sexdrive was immense then. My resources were limited to nonexistent. I knew little about anything and nothing of interest to anybody. I lacked life experience. So I became a Solipsist right away (starting with 20), which is Nihilism. I tried to think: only I was real and everything else illusionary. To cope with the suffering. That's the peak of narcissism. And so I fell and got hurt a lot. If you can avoid some of that: you're good. Put your family (and past nurturing) first.

I am still an introvert, but today I more openly and honestly talk about why I hate modernity and that I do not identify with my job or any of it. And that actually is appealing to some people. I feel there is more openness in some of the people around me, than I would have expected. They too like solitude and can relate to that. Go easy on the hot topics of race and the sexes though. But try to make your environment liveable, maybe you can thereby avoid to become a cynic.

About Peter Sloterdijks "Critique of Cynical Reason":

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He defines two aspects of cynicism; one, an "enlightened false consciousness," akin to Marx's alienation, which pervades modern society; the other, a species of critical reason first exemplified by Diogenes.

The most common Cynicism is "enlightened but false consciousness". In the book he invents the term "Kynismus" (German) instead, for the more preferable kind of Cynicism of Diogenes

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Diogenes and Alexander
Alexander the Great visits Diogenes at Corinth by W. Matthews (1914)
Main article: Diogenes and Alexander

It was in Corinth that a meeting between Alexander the Great and Diogenes is supposed to have taken place.[26] The accounts of Plutarch and Diogenes Laërtius recount that they exchanged only a few words: while Diogenes was relaxing in the sunlight in the morning, Alexander, thrilled to meet the famous philosopher, asked if there was any favour he might do for him. Diogenes replied, "Yes, stand out of my sunlight". Alexander then declared, "If I were not Alexander, then I should wish to be Diogenes."[27] In another account of the conversation, Alexander found the philosopher looking attentively at a pile of human bones. Diogenes explained, "I am searching for the bones of your father but cannot distinguish them from those of a slave."
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PostSubject: Re: Revenge of the Nerds Tue Dec 18, 2012 6:29 pm

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I would say I lean more towards the introverted type, but I wouldn't consider it a weakness. Among my supposed peers in college I am rather indifferent and I find their needs and craving for attention, to make their wills known so to speak to be rather unimpressive. When I do not speak, I simply choose not to because making my will known to others isn't always beneficial to me.

Do you really choose not to speak? Or do you assess the likely resistance from the other and surrender to the threat that that represents? Do you "decide" that the potential rewards of action are not worth the possible losses you suspect you will face if you put yourself at risk in a contest of wills?

If you neglect your will as it pertains to others then you expose that weakness to the exploitation of others. It's not a matter of choice.

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PostSubject: Re: Revenge of the Nerds Tue Dec 18, 2012 7:45 pm

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Malik01 wrote:
I would say I lean more towards the introverted type, but I wouldn't consider it a weakness. Among my supposed peers in college I am rather indifferent and I find their needs and craving for attention, to make their wills known so to speak to be rather unimpressive. When I do not speak, I simply choose not to because making my will known to others isn't always beneficial to me.

Do you really choose not to speak? Or do you assess the likely resistance from the other and surrender to the threat that that represents? Do you "decide" that the potential rewards of action are not worth the possible losses you suspect you will face if you put yourself at risk in a contest of wills?

If you neglect your will as it pertains to others then you expose that weakness to the exploitation of others. It's not a matter of choice.

Taking that into consideration I would say it would be half and half, maybe slightly leaning more towards the assessing likely resistance side. At times I realized peoples' ignorance and decided not to speak on it or correct their mistakes because I felt no obligation to correct and educate them. I just didn't care. There were some instances among my peers where I saw their train of thought only led to thinking things out in terms of right and wrong, good and bad, etc. Though at the time I believed there was reasoning beyond that, I myself wasn't fully conscious of what that was. Still, I knew or rather had an expectation that I wouldn't be able to have a discussion beyond that train of thought with them. For better or worse I thought and still at times think rather arrogantly, that my will was far beyond theirs and I had no interest in bending them to my will. The ignorant will always choose to remain ignorant regardless and why fight a pointless battle was my rationalization. At times I did speak up and all I ever got was a concession: "you are right" or a "that's a good way of looking at things, I never thought about it that way before." Then there were instances you mentioned where I thought I'd face a possible loss in a contest of wills. I cannot deny that this is a weakness, a weakness I am going to strive to correct. I still consider myself to be one of those "man children" satyr describes. I've allowed myself to take a back seat to others because my views may not be the same as what the majority hold as true. I've been conditioned for awhile to believe that the view of what the majority holds as true must be true. Though I can't blame society for allowing myself to slip in this mindset. The fault lies with me and through the pursuit of knowledge I should be able to overcome this weakness I've had for the majority of my life.
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PostSubject: Re: Revenge of the Nerds Wed Dec 19, 2012 3:55 am

Sloterdijk thereafter focused on the greek term: thymos. Before he lately wrote on ascesis itself, in its sense of practice/training and not solely renouncement, as it is often misused today.

Thymos includes this emotion of youthful anger and turns it productive.

From the description of Peter Sloterdijks Rage and Time:

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A brilliant and conceptually rich analysis of the influence of rage on the development of Western culture. Tracing rage from its earliest Greek articulation as Thymos in the Iliad, Sloterdijk (Critique of Cynical Reason) argues for a notion of rage both as a motivating force in man's struggle for reward and recognition and as a foundational feature of the human understanding of time. According to the author, modernity has downplayed the primacy of rage in favor of a Freudian focus on desire as more fundamental to psychic life. These claims provide the framework for a demonstration of how rage has operated in the development of the psychopolitical history of the West, a history characterized by various attempts to save and invest rage, utilizing its force to further particular ideological ends, primarily religious and revolutionary. Though frequently hampered by excessive academic jargon and a theoretically questionable oscillation between the non-equivalent notions of Thymos and rage, the book offers a fascinating account of the historical dynamics of social development, one capable of holding a vast array of phenomena, from Biblical psalms to the 2005 Paris riots, within its purview. (May) Copyright © Reed Business Information, a division of Reed Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved. --This text refers to the Hardcover edition.

I read the book some years ago and remember it describing thymos not solely as rage, but as a mixture of courage (heart) and rage. (German: "beherzt sein").

Wikipedia Article on Thumos:

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PostSubject: Re: Revenge of the Nerds Mon Dec 24, 2012 5:15 am

Apparently ,songs with any reference to Guns were pulled from the radio following the massacre .Ke$ha's hit song "Die Young",although made no reference to guns, pulled from US radio after Newtown massacre.
Song's title deemed too "upsetting" in wake of school shooting...similar thing happened following the events of 9/11.

So much for the " Land of the Free"..

There's a heated debate going on in the Media about violent video games and depiction of violence in the Media. some advocacy groups calling for censoring violent imagery from movies & TV.

Americans love Guns more than they love Jesus, but This tragedy could have been easily avoided had the mother kept the firearms locked up somewhere. and reports surfacing of possible Child neglect .

Liberals see this as an opportunity to make the case for amending the second Amendment.
They envision a non-violent Utopia , a brotherhood of children.

How many liberties should we sacrifice to shelter these weaklings from possible "harm" ?
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PostSubject: Re: Revenge of the Nerds Mon Dec 24, 2012 1:23 pm

When the price of reproduction becomes too high males try to curb the cost by controlling the resource he requires to meet a need.

A case on point:
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Here we see sour-graping trying to make the grapes undesirable so as to make its own incapacity less noticeable.
This is ironic given that this very same individual is also an advocate of "freedom" and against Paternalism.
In essence he supports the very conditions that cause his predicament.

When an excluded from the gene-pool male feels inadequate or incapable of paying the inflated price for access to female wombs he inevitably settles for an alternative; when genetic reproduction is unapproachable he goes for memetic reproduction.
He then turns to his own kind, the mind closer to his own nature, to seed.

A form of mind-fucking with homosexual connotations.
This, too, is an aspect of feminization.
The beta-males, the excluded males, the males unable to justify the possible cost in relation to the potential
benefit, will go for the easier path (path-of-least-resistance) and fertilize another male; one more effete, weaker, younger.

Since this fertilization is impossible in the material, genetic, sense, he goes for the abstraction, the idea, the memetic alternative.

Masculine energy, having no other outlet besides a useless, distracting pornography, goes for the only other option.
In this case homosexuality and the levelling of sexual types satisfy the motive, just as it does with feminism.
This is how the MRA movement reveals itself as a mirroring of feminist strategies.

The irony is that these individuals defend the very principles that create their predicament, forcing
them to turn away from nature, the female being a natural agency, and from reproduction, awaiting some technological future utopia where reproduction, using the natural methods is a thing of the past.

Secular Humanism now projects paradise as a coming future.

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PostSubject: Re: Revenge of the Nerds Mon Dec 24, 2012 5:24 pm

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MRA movement reveals itself as a mirroring of feminist strategies.

Exactly, they are a bunch of pathetic little weaklings resorting to feminine tactics bitching about "rights" , "justice" ,"Equality" and demand the government step in & level the playing field in their favor. which is never going to happen since women are preferred by the judeo-plutocratic money masters to keep the status-quo. it's true that women have exploited the system,but begging for rights & bitching over the internet won't bring about change..What interests me is that they have built alliances with a number of females who are sympathetic to their cause. GWW being the most notable one. one thing i never quite understood is why? why would any woman want to deprive themselves of their privileged status in society? if anything, they should be fighting to keep the status-quo.
because should the system collapse, which most likely will happen, all their "rights" will go out the window..

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The irony is that these individuals defend the very principles that create their predicament, forcing
them to turn away from nature, the female being a natural agency, and from reproduction, awaiting some technological future utopia where reproduction, using the natural methods is a thing of the past.
the artificial womb appears to be emerging from the realm of fiction into reality. Huxley's prophecies might come to pass.His views on society do seem to be coming true.

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Secular Humanism now projects paradise as a coming future.

Indeed..but i don't think their wet dreams of a unified humanity will come to fruition ..we're at crossroads. The middle class is shrinking and people are feeling the pressure. and for racially aware folks, things look even more bleak.. We have socialism for the rich & poor ,and a brutal form of capitalism for the rest of us. people are fed-up with the system. and we are stuck with an outdated system like democracy which in itself is imploding around us, which eventually will leave a vacuum since progression has stopped. Like Aristotle said: "Tolerance and apathy are the last virtues of a dying society."
Multiculturalism and cultural marxism seem to destroy the perpetual cycle.


Getting back to Adam Lanza, the psycho boy, was described as a maths genius, near total social dysfunction, polite, quiet, nervous, stiff, a desire to fit in but not the ability, a gamer and a goth, dressed with nerdy formality in black, always alone, avoidant, flat affect, on medication. Probably undiagnosed food intolerances further destabilizing him mentally. A broken home with a mother raising him. The father is wealthy, the mother has tons of alimony, and according to news reports, she received $200,000 a year in alimony. Decadent feminization and the breakdown of the family unit can be considered primary factors..

as the feminization of mankind continues, these incidents are going to be the norm, not the exception.

I think i might need to read your essay once again. is it still available on your blog?
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PostSubject: Re: Revenge of the Nerds Mon Dec 24, 2012 6:26 pm

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I think i might need to read your essay once again. is it still available on your blog?
What, that old piece of filth?
That badly written, typo infected, requiring much more to be dressed in, crap, is still, I'm afraid, there.

Who shall forgive me first, for its simplicity?

I wanted to make it more complex, for the more discrimianting literati, presenting it as an insult against god...but my ego did not allow it, and my mnid is nourished with the edumucation of a mediocre highschool.

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