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PostSubject: Porn Addiction and the History of Sexuality Sat Dec 22, 2012 10:43 pm

Gary Wilson - The Great Porn Experiment


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PostSubject: Re: Porn Addiction and the History of Sexuality Sun Dec 23, 2012 2:34 am

"Turn men back into men again" That won't happen with simple prayer. If there are no men to teach men how to be men then more and more supposed "men" will turn to pornography as a means defining themselves and perpetuating that this is what makes a man masculine. A man's "masculinity" lies in porn.
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PostSubject: Re: Porn Addiction and the History of Sexuality Sun Dec 23, 2012 8:19 am

I posted the second vid, because it offers a different perspective. I don't mean to offend anyones atheism. Smile I am an atheist myself.

The eastern wisdom clearly connects male sexuality with the vital energy of the organism. Known as "Qi", or "prana" for example. So with every orgasm a male loses his semen and thereby part of his life energy. His masculinity!

From my perspective one problem with porn is, that it encourages excessive masturbation. I don't want to be moralist or come across as religious here. But porn is distinctly anti-masculine. It takes away mens masculine energy.

But the acts and images within porn of course constitute another problem, that causes the addiction. On the channel of the above TED videolecture, there are more scientific educational vids on this topic.

I find this to be the key mens topic. Also because the MRA tend to blame women. Men too contribute to the war between the sexes, with the objectification of women. The channel "Manwomanmyth" on youtube talks about this too ("misogyny").
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PostSubject: Re: Porn Addiction and the History of Sexuality Sun Dec 23, 2012 8:15 pm

Porn is leftist, egalitarian, nihilist, misogynistic, misandric and feminizing. It displays hyper-masculinity. Never true masculinity.

Real teachers are available. There are just way more posers and gurus. It's like with the "Ring of Power" from the Lord of the Rings. Only Frodo could carry it, because he was the most noble, the most humble. The true heroe. Even a great and good sorcerer like Gandalf would have been tempted or someone of royal descent like Aragorn. They could help him on his journey to destroy the Ring of Power. They rationally rejected monopolized power, but only Frodo could carry this weight of responsibility. And even the other hobbits from the Fellowship had their flaws.

This is the list of Pornographic sub-genres from wikipedia:

Porno Sub Genres

This is what has been growing (the perversions). New fetishes every day. Because the old stimulations do not "work" anymore, for the dopamine addicted brains of the users. And it has nothing to do with sexuality! Porn is not sex! It's a drug for dopamine junkies.

Your brain on porn:


Erectile dysfuntion related to porn use:


And just look at the categories! A normal person would puke, but this is what porn is today.

They say people have to go "cold turkey" on their abstinence from porn, so that after up to 4 months(!) the brain can rewire to its normal function. It is compared to obesity and sugar addiction of modernity and I also agree with that, having only started on a paleo diet not long ago. I sometimes get a sugar craving. Very dark chocolate and honey are then recommended. I don't know if I am an addict, but I want my morning wood back! And the connection to erectile dysfuntion seems to be scientifically established, though few scientists want to examine this subject. I believe it is a massive issue in modernity!

Even in my old buddhist (western tibetan) sangha the people were heavy porn users.
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PostSubject: Re: Porn Addiction and the History of Sexuality Mon Dec 24, 2012 3:50 am

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From my perspective one problem with porn is, that it encourages excessive masturbation. I don't want to be moralist or come across as religious here. But porn is distinctly anti-masculine. It takes away mens masculine energy.

But the acts and images within porn of course constitute another problem, that causes the addiction. On the channel of the above TED videolecture, there are more scientific educational vids on this topic.

The reason there is a porn addiction is because Most men lack a regular sexual outlet. Today,Women have more sex & more sexual partners than most men. They did a survey in New Zealand recently and found women on average had TWICE as many lifetime sexual partners than men. but how is this possible ? What happens when female sexual desire is liberated is not an increase in the total amount of sex available to men, but a redistribution of the existing supply.a fraction of the male population getting all the play/action.
This unhealthy obsession over women & sex is distracting Men from real issues. In the early days, man was guaranteed a mate through paternalism & the institution of monogamy, and this set a whole chain of events. now that a man had a sexual partner & means to procreate, he could focus his time & energy on more productive avenues, like science,art,politics..etc.. If not for strict moral codes ,the institution of marriage & repression of female sexuality, the civilization we live in would have never been possible.


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I find this to be the key mens topic. Also because the MRA tend to blame women. Men too contribute to the war between the sexes, with the objectification of women. The channel "Manwomanmyth" on youtube talks about this too ("misogyny").


Both men & women are naturally promiscuous. These MRA's shame women for their natural behavior. Some of them encourage their followers to become a "player" , some of them advocate avoiding relationships with women altogether. some of them even advocate celibacy.

Their whole argument boils down to , Men = Good, Women = Bad. This uniformity in Gender is bullshit. Most men are Scum.not all men are created equal. Besides, what woman in the right mind would want to sleep with these losers anyway? most of them are sexually frustrated beta males. They whine about men being disposable & that the state is bias towards women ,but don't want to explore as to why it is happening & why females are preferred in the System..But i'll give them credit for seeing the differences in Sexes, they've come to the realization that gender equality is a Myth.. but you don't hear anyone of them ever talk about Race..they shy away from making distinctions based on Race. "racial equality" is the biggest bullshit of all.

There is NO war of the sexes/genders. what we have is competing factions vying for control over Females & Who gets to influence the womenfolk . Women have always been Docile, Infantile, hovering around mediocrity. Women reflect the light of men. If that light dies, why would you expect them to be anything but dark? Why yell at the mirror in the dark?

The Real war is between men like ourselves who want to preserve our cultural inheritance ,traditions & the ways of their forefathers VS those who want to create uniformity by eradicating all differences ..Cultures,Races,Gender are all being made irrelevant for the sake of social harmony..Strip away man from his race/cultural inheritance, you take away his identity.Its no surprise that most youth find their identity in Pop-Culture.

The movie "fight club" illustrates this brilliantly. The most common interpretation of the film is the alienation of human beings as a result of the post-modern condition. the film also touches another problem of modern society, Nihilism. Remember in the end jack revolts against the Project Mayhem which just like consumer capitalism fails to provide him with any form of autonomy and authenticity. He finds himself in a sea of Nihilism, essentially valueless

The only way to change the current situation ,this Nihilism ,this leveling down , is to do away with globalism & finance capitalism altogether. For that to happen the State should collapse. We have to bring down the alpha male(the State), if we can do that ,most of our problems would be solved. Feminism/Affirmative action/Consumer capitalism would collapse overnight...We should fight to preserve what our forefathers fought & died for ,we'd be less human if we couldn't do that.

We are the "Men among the Ruins"

"I do not want my house to be walled in on all sides and my windows to be stuffed. I want the cultures of all the lands to be blown about my house as freely as possible. But I refuse to be blown off my feet by any. I refuse to live in other people’s houses as an interloper, a beggar or a slave. " - Mahatma Gandhi
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PostSubject: Re: Porn Addiction and the History of Sexuality Mon Dec 24, 2012 4:30 am

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Cultures,Races,Gender are all being made irrelevant for the sake of social harmony..
I don't know. The game is long, without a foreseeable end.

The simulacrum could be destroying other races though a program of interbreeding, capitalizing on it. It's done it before. It all comes down to awareness and intelligence, profiting from the ubermensch whilst destroying him. But as always it's the white working class that will do the dirty work and take the hit.
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PostSubject: Re: Porn Addiction and the History of Sexuality Mon Dec 24, 2012 6:07 am

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The reason there is a porn addiction is because Most men lack a regular sexual outlet.

Maybe it is the other way round!? What was there first: the hen or the egg? Does a lack of sex opportunities cause men getting addicted to porn or the other way round: does porn addiction cause men to get erectile dysfunction and be insecure towards real women!?

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Today,Women have more sex & more sexual partners than most men.
They did a survey in New Zealand recently and found women on average had TWICE as many lifetime sexual partners than men. but how is this possible ? What happens when female sexual desire is liberated is not an increase in the total amount of sex available to men, but a redistribution of the existing supply.a fraction of the male population getting all the play/action.

The numbers may be correct. You've studied your PUA dogmas. Isn't there some hidden jealousy towards women? And some objectification of women in this? As if the number of sexual partners has anything to do with a satisfactory love(and sex)life! On the contrary: I believe that monogamous relationships at least have the potential to be the most blissful. This is my non-PUA perspective.

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This unhealthy obsession over women & sex is distracting Men from real issues. In the early days, man was guaranteed a mate through paternalism & the institution of monogamy, and this set a whole chain of events. now that a man had a sexual partner & means to procreate, he could focus his time & energy on more productive avenues, like science,art,politics..etc.. If not for strict moral codes ,the institution of marriage & repression of female sexuality, the civilization we live in would have never been possible.

And you have studied your Satyr. So did I.

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Both men & women are naturally promiscuous.

And here we are again: EvoPsych (Evolutionary Psychology). "You and me baby ain't nothing but mammals, so let's do it like they do on the discovery channel."- That's profound. Sorry, my sarcasm.

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These MRA's shame women for their natural behavior. Some of them encourage their followers to become a "player" , some of them advocate avoiding relationships with women altogether. some of them even advocate celibacy.

Satyr 101.

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Their whole argument boils down to , Men = Good, Women = Bad.

Okay.

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This uniformity in Gender is bullshit. Most men are Scum.not all men are created equal.

Are you a creationist?

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Besides, what woman in the right mind would want to sleep with these losers anyway? most of them are sexually frustrated beta males. They whine about men being disposable & that the state is bias towards women ,but don't want to explore as to why it is happening & why females are preferred in the System..But i'll give them credit for seeing the differences in Sexes, they've come to the realization that gender equality is a Myth.. but you don't hear anyone of them ever talk about Race..they shy away from making distinctions based on Race. "racial equality" is the biggest bullshit of all.

Again Satyr 101.

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There is NO war of the sexes/genders. what we have is competing factions vying for control over Females & Who gets to influence the womenfolk . Women have always been Docile, Infantile, hovering around mediocrity. Women reflect the light of men. If that light dies, why would you expect them to be anything but dark? Why yell at the mirror in the dark?

Are you talking to me? No, your giving a sermon to someone who may be new to this site. (Like most of us here probably often do.) Okay, you are officially part of the KnowThyself group! So what's new? What specific perspective do YOU have to offer!? That differs from anybodies perspective on here?

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The Real war is between men like ourselves who want to preserve our cultural inheritance ,traditions & the ways of their forefathers VS those who want to create uniformity by eradicating all differences ..Cultures,Races,Gender are all being made irrelevant for the sake of social harmony..Strip away man from his race/cultural inheritance, you take away his identity.Its no surprise that most youth find their identity in Pop-Culture.

Yes, Satyr!

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The movie "fight club" illustrates this brilliantly. The most common interpretation of the film is the alienation of human beings as a result of the post-modern condition. the film also touches another problem of modern society, Nihilism. Remember in the end jack revolts against the Project Mayhem which just like consumer capitalism fails to provide him with any form of autonomy and authenticity. He finds himself in a sea of Nihilism, essentially valueless

Satyr has done a vid on this!

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The only way to change the current situation ,this Nihilism ,this leveling down , is to do away with globalism & finance capitalism altogether. For that to happen the State should collapse. We have to bring down the alpha male(the State), if we can do that ,most of our problems would be solved.

So you take the leftist revolutionary angle! Like the youtuber Aurini, who also thinks its chic to admire Tyler Durden. (But only the nicer parts, not the violence. The parts that confirm to his PUA lifestyle and don't confront his pretentious guru persona, in any way. He'd be the first one running to his mommy, once the riots start.)

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Feminism/Affirmative action/Consumer capitalism would collapse overnight...We should fight to preserve what our forefathers fought & died for ,we'd be less human if we couldn't do that.

Okay, you are definitely NOT Satyr yourself. You are way younger. In your early 20's, I should guess. You have a very sheltered way of looking at politics. For you it's all theory. But you have no clue about the real life implications. I would guess you cheered for Ron Paul just months ago!? But are now a little disillusioned.

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We are the "Men among the Ruins"

Like I said, let's skip the foreplay. Show us what you've got!
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PostSubject: Re: Porn Addiction and the History of Sexuality Mon Dec 24, 2012 6:46 am

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From my perspective one problem with porn is, that it encourages excessive masturbation. I don't want to be moralist or come across as religious here. But porn is distinctly anti-masculine. It takes away mens masculine energy.

That feeling of utter satisfaction achieved from masturbation fits well with the idea of death of identity in uniformity. The pleasure causes a cease in discrimination and consciousness. Masturbating 1 to 2 times a day can keep you nice and docile. I'm guessing the elaborate fetishes are a result of boredom, of an unwilling consciousness - a result of the person trying to find a way to completely lose themselves by exaggerating and associating some of their darkest fears with the very desire responsible for their continued existence, sexual desire.

More simply put, after one's assured their seed has been spread, they feel comfortable with their existence. Especially when that girl they're seeing on the screen is of a superb physical beauty.

Advertising may be partly responsible for this - hot women plastered everywhere around the USA. That, and a lack of will power and direction for males today. I suspect males are not going to cease their porn addiction if they have no other need for their sexual energies. They do not care about improving themselves, so they will not concentrate it without perceiving a need to expend it elsewhere.

Masturbation seems like a behavior of boredom. The boredom is a result, usually, from disinterest.. which can be caused by many things, but what comes to mind immediately is stupidity, like a redneck hick sitting in science class, not understanding a word being said and announces how boring it is, then proceeds to do the more interesting pursuit of chasing after Mary-Anne's attention.
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PostSubject: Re: Porn Addiction and the History of Sexuality Mon Dec 24, 2012 7:43 am

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[...] then proceeds to do the more interesting pursuit of chasing after Mary-Anne's attention.

The red neck is smart. He may be so poor that he doesn't even have a high-speed internet connection, therefor his brain functions better in the real life mating game, because he's no internet porn addict and only jerks off to old playboy magazines, which are harmless in comparison.


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PostSubject: Re: Porn Addiction and the History of Sexuality Mon Dec 24, 2012 7:49 am

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We are the "Men among the Ruins"

I didn't want to be rude! Welcome to the forum, from my side! But Tyler Durden and Gandhi don't go together well. Are opposites even. And Evola and Tyler Durden don't go together well either, they too are opposites. Please explain your position. Are you a leftist radical anarcho like Tyler Durden? Or a right wing priest like Evola? I just hate all this modernized mixing of ideas, like the Aurini and other youtube gurus do. It looks superficial to me. On this forum, we prefer quality over quantity and you can take your space and time to develop your thoughts. Welcome!
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PostSubject: Re: Porn Addiction and the History of Sexuality Mon Dec 24, 2012 8:04 am

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Maybe it is the other way round!? What was there first: the hen or the egg? Does a lack of sex opportunities cause men getting addicted to porn or the other way round: does porn addiction cause men to get erectile dysfunction and be insecure towards real women!?

Yes, there seems to be a correlation between porn addiction and erectile dysfunction


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The numbers may be correct. You've studied your PUA dogmas. Isn't there some hidden jealousy towards women? And some objectification of women in this? As if the number of sexual partners has anything to do with a satisfactory love(and sex)life! On the contrary: I believe that monogamous relationships at least have the potential to be the most blissful. This is my non-PUA perspective.

Jealousy? you pulled that one straight outta your anus didn't you? perhaps you are projecting your insecurities upon me and assuming that this is about me and what I prefer


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Are you a creationist?
Now you're beginning to annoy me


Laconian wrote:
Satyr 101.
No, Just good 'ol Common Sense..


Laconian wrote:
Are you talking to me? No, your giving a sermon to someone who may be new to this site. (Like most of us here probably often do.) Okay, you are officially part of the KnowThyself group! So what's new? What specific perspective do YOU have to offer!? That differs from anybodies perspective on here?
weren't you the one blathering about a supposed "war" between the sexes? there is no war between sexes & there never was.
and why are you against sexual "objectification" of women? You sound like a naive Romantic.

[quote="Laconian"]Yes, Satyr!{quote] once again, anyone with an ounce of brain matter should be able to figure this out.

Laconian wrote:
Satyr has done a vid on this!
ummm, ok.. Here, have a cookie

Laconian wrote:
So you take the leftist revolutionary angle! Like the youtuber Aurini, who also thinks its chic to admire Tyler Durden. (But only the nicer parts, not the violence. The parts that confirm to his PUA lifestyle and don't confront his pretentious guru persona, in any way. He'd be the first one running to his mommy, once the riots start.)
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Okay, you are definitely NOT Satyr yourself. You are way younger. In your early 20's, I should guess. You have a very sheltered way of looking at politics. For you it's all theory. But you have no clue about the real life implications. I would guess you cheered for Ron Paul just months ago!? But are now a little disillusioned.

first, Who the fuck is Aununi? second, My political philosophy is not easily characterized as liberal or conservative.At various times, I have called myself a libertarian and an anarchist. Yes, i'm fascinated with the character Tyler and i also pointed out that nihilism is rejected by the Narrator because it leads nowhere. My boy, i'm not denouncing the usefulness of violence/force.. to my understanding Violence is a very human phenomenon. Without the repressive nature of the law, violence is a very common and acceptable feature of human society.Civilization merely forces humans to turn their instincts for cruelty, hostility and hunting against themselves. It creates that bad conscience.I'm really tired of humanitarians speaking about violence as if it is opposed to human nature.

i came across Wonderor(Satyr) back in 2005 in Sciforum..for all we know, i might be much older than you .

just take a fucking chill pill ,boy.. let's not get off on the wrong foot shall we??
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PostSubject: Re: Porn Addiction and the History of Sexuality Mon Dec 24, 2012 8:36 am

I thought that the entire idea of "Alpha" and "Beta" is a myth.

As noted wolf behavior expert L. David Mech, one of those who helped to establish and popularize the notion of the alpha wolf in the first place, explains on his website:

The concept of the alpha wolf is well ingrained in the popular wolf literature at least partly because of my book “The Wolf: Ecology and Behavior of an Endangered Species,” written in 1968, published in 1970, republished in paperback in 1981, and currently still in print, despite my numerous pleas to the publisher to stop publishing it. Although most of the book’s info is still accurate, much is outdated. We have learned more about wolves in the last 40 years then in all of previous history.

One of the outdated pieces of information is the concept of the alpha wolf. “Alpha” implies competing with others and becoming top dog by winning a contest or battle. However, most wolves who lead packs achieved their position simply by mating and producing pups, which then became their pack. In other words they are merely breeders, or parents, and that’s all we call them today, the “breeding male,” “breeding female,” or “male parent,” “female parent,” or the “adult male” or “adult female.” In the rare packs that include more than one breeding animal, the “dominant breeder” can be called that, and any breeding daughter can be called a “subordinate breeder.”


To be honest, from a female perspective, although what I am saying probably won't be respected or viewed as a worthy opinion, I will say that I don't find these pseudo-Alpha males attractive in the least; they're usually the types who have huge muscles, play too many sports, and drive nice cars to impress the ladies. The real "man's man" as is viewed in the USA and also Canada to some degree. That's what is typically considered an Alpha, although I don't believe in the myth of the Alpha male either. They are usually loud, stupid, arrogant, and don't read too many books. They're not cultured at all. Sadly, it is true that most dumb women ARE attracted to these kinds, but not all of them. I also know women who will pair themselves with losers, I mean, all those guys in prison with girlfriends for example...and it's not that these men are pseudo-Alphas either. If there is a real Alpha male, he would be someone you'd have to really respect and fear, and just be in awe of, due to his extraordinary intelligence, not his dominating presence.


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PostSubject: Re: Porn Addiction and the History of Sexuality Mon Dec 24, 2012 8:38 am

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there is no war between sexes & there never was.

I see that differently.

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and why are you against sexual "objectification" of women? You sound like a naive Romantic.

I am a naive romantic. At least trying my best to impersonate one.

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first, Who the fuck is Aununi?

Aurini is a fag on youtube. Postmodernist, mix it all together lightly, very digestible, fashion, baby! Fashion! Traditionalism with a ounce of New Right race realism, PUA, topped with Tyler Durden Anarcho naturalism, realism... All to please the masses of his followers!

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second, My political philosophy is not easily characterized as liberal or conservative.

Sounds interesting.

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At various times, I have called myself a libertarian and an anarchist.

So do you collect gold? Or do you discuss leftist radical underground actions?

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Yes, i'm fascinated with the character Tyler

Yea! i love Brat Pitt! Especially his six-pack soooo masculine!

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and i also pointed out that nihilism is rejected by the Narrator because it leads nowhere.

The whole project Mayem thing in the movie is pure socialism. It's all leveling.

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My boy, i'm not denouncing the usefulness of violence/force..

I do!

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to my understanding Violence is a very human phenomenon.

Yes, base animalistic.

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Without the repressive nature of the law, violence is a very common and acceptable feature of human society.Civilization merely forces humans to turn their instincts for cruelty, hostility and hunting against themselves. It creates that bad conscience.I'm really tired of humanitarians speaking about violence as if it is opposed to human nature.

i credit aurini for having understood this as well. Nice observation!
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PostSubject: Re: Porn Addiction and the History of Sexuality Mon Dec 24, 2012 8:47 am

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I thought that the entire idea of "Alpha" and "Beta" is a myth.

Well, the alphas are the non-porn users, because they still get their morning wood. It's as easy as that. I bet some of the sophisticated kind of men you prefer, because you're not superficial, jerk too much to internet porn. That's just the way it is. That's why men and women today tend to be so unhappy with each other. The betas are impotent internet porn addicts and the alphas just get immense egos from getting all the women.
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PostSubject: Re: Porn Addiction and the History of Sexuality Mon Dec 24, 2012 8:49 am

Porn is sex minus the spiritual element.
The participants are reduced to body parts, simple animals, the sensations of copulating.
This is materialism, in its most basic definition, and hedonism, in its most immediate appreciation, expressing human degradation.

The participants can be anyone, as they are but conduits for vicarious experiencing. What matters is that they have the right body-parts in the right proportions. The proportions are indicative of modern exaggerations, trying to compensate for decay, just as Hypermasculinity is a product of declining masculinity.
When numbness takes hold the experience has to be inflated to make an impact.

Because all are interchangeable, recyclable, it does not matter who they are as people. They are simply erections, mammary glands, and orifices.
Sex has lost its purpose. It is now an activity one participates in with the ignorant abandonment to instinct of a beast.

Of course its social function is to offer a release to otherwise repressed and pressurized energies.
It also provides an ideal which all must aim for, or suffer the feelings of inadequacy. It is another way of emasculating young males.
The reduction of sex to its action is a reduction of meaning.

Man places meaning on his actions, and upon all activity (nature). This reduction is a reduction of the meaning men have placed upon the natural compulsion of fornication.

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PostSubject: Re: Porn Addiction and the History of Sexuality Mon Dec 24, 2012 8:54 am

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One of the outdated pieces of information is the concept of the alpha wolf. “Alpha” implies competing with others and becoming top dog by winning a contest or battle. However, most wolves who lead packs achieved their position simply by mating and producing pups, which then became their pack. In other words they are merely breeders, or parents, and that’s all we call them today, the “breeding male,” “breeding female,” or “male parent,” “female parent,” or the “adult male” or “adult female.” In the rare packs that include more than one breeding animal, the “dominant breeder” can be called that, and any breeding daughter can be called a “subordinate breeder.”
And how does htis male become the primary breeder?

What about chimpanzee social structures?
Who mates and how much and why him and not his brother or his son or his cousin?

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PostSubject: Re: Porn Addiction and the History of Sexuality Mon Dec 24, 2012 8:59 am

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Porn is sex minus the spiritual element.

What you describe in your post is porn itself. This thread is about the effects of porn consumption on the viewers.
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PostSubject: Re: Porn Addiction and the History of Sexuality Mon Dec 24, 2012 9:02 am

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Laconian wrote:
Satyr 101.
No, Just good 'ol Common Sense..
Having read many philosophers, I consider what some of them say "common sense".
For instance, when I read Nietzsche for the first time I was struck by how magnificently he expressed to me what I had felt for a long time. His words, beautifully constructed as they were, told me of something which I could only consider logical and sensible…and could not believe why it was not more common.

But how common is sense?
I remember the words of Orwell whom also told me things I already felt…as if he was simply putting words to my own judgments:

Orwell, George wrote:
We have now sunk to
a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent
men.

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i came across Wonderor(Satyr) back in 2005 in Sciforum..for all we know, i might be much older than you .
I was known as Wanderer back then.
And you would be...?

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PostSubject: Re: Porn Addiction and the History of Sexuality Tue Dec 25, 2012 5:57 am

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"Turn men back into men again" That won't happen with simple prayer.

As a female, I know my opinions here are going to be viewed as always having some form of flaw to them, but I just have to say that, AS a female, knowing this, what Malik said, is extremely depressing.

If other men are critiquing men for the very same characteristics I have noticed myself, there is something very wrong.

And I understand that it's my "sisters" who are to blame for this...for the most part. If I could, I'd apologise for the actions and behaviours of every female, but that's not my place, I'm not a saviour nor a martyr.

All I can say is...it makes me damn angry as well...very angry...that we live in a society with such little self-integrity and self-worth.
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PostSubject: Re: Porn Addiction and the History of Sexuality Tue Dec 25, 2012 11:08 pm

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"Turn men back into men again" That won't happen with simple prayer.

As a female, I know my opinions here are going to be viewed as always having some form of flaw to them, but I just have to say that, AS a female, knowing this, what Malik said, is extremely depressing.

If other men are critiquing men for the very same characteristics I have noticed myself, there is something very wrong.

And I understand that it's my "sisters" who are to blame for this...for the most part. If I could, I'd apologise for the actions and behaviours of every female, but that's not my place, I'm not a saviour nor a martyr.

All I can say is...it makes me damn angry as well...very angry...that we live in a society with such little self-integrity and self-worth.


You shouldn't automatically disenfranchise your ideas. Let them stand on their own merit.

That wasn't my intention. I simply meant that for a man or anyone for that matter to pray as a means for their salvation or self-improvement won't change anything. You can spend all the time in the world thinking about taking an action, but if you don't end up taking action it is ultimately pointless.

What characteristics are we talking about here?

Why apologize for actions and behaviors independent of your own?

Why are your "sisters" to blame for this? Men make the choice of making and watching porn of their own accord.

In order for there to be some self-integrity and self-worth one would have to know thyself.
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PostSubject: Re: Porn Addiction and the History of Sexuality Wed Dec 26, 2012 1:54 am

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Malik01 wrote:
"Turn men back into men again" That won't happen with simple prayer.

As a female, I know my opinions here are going to be viewed as always having some form of flaw to them, but I just have to say that, AS a female, knowing this, what Malik said, is extremely depressing.

If other men are critiquing men for the very same characteristics I have noticed myself, there is something very wrong.

And I understand that it's my "sisters" who are to blame for this...for the most part. If I could, I'd apologise for the actions and behaviours of every female, but that's not my place, I'm not a saviour nor a martyr.

All I can say is...it makes me damn angry as well...very angry...that we live in a society with such little self-integrity and self-worth.

Your opinions are no less important or significant than mine or anyone else.No, your "sisters" are not to be blames for emasculating men. men are resisting becoming men, longer and longer doing their best to postpone all the decisions that mark the passage into adulthood–getting a job, moving out of their parents’ home, getting married, and having kids–in order to enjoy the lad lifestyle of online porn, drinking, and casual sex..you see men in their 20's,30's hooked on video games & wasting away their lives..It's no wonder women don't respect men these days.

I too have little or no interest in saving mankind or "humanity".Most people are scum,who are not worth saving.I want the sheeple to remain as stupid they are. The best we can do is pity them & exploit them to serve our needs..
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PostSubject: Re: Porn Addiction and the History of Sexuality Wed Dec 26, 2012 10:38 am

So let's talk about what porn is then. New to me from the neuroscience vids above, is that it is a drug. And a very strong one and the addiction is more likely than alcohol and nicotine even.

As a Nietzschean my goal is to overvome my Christianity. And not just in a superficial way overcome my nihilism.

Porn is CHRISTIAN. That is most important to me. Chritianity too abases the body. Degrades it, to a sack of meat, that is full of evil desires and lust. The same thing happens in Pornography.

I am aware that my nihilism is also an eastern one towards the void. This element too is included in porn. We have the meaninglessness of sex, the diverse sexpartners, all interchangeable. The individual doesn't count, just like in tibetan Buddhism.

This is the tip of the Judeo-Christian iceberg. Or the bottom of the deepest judeo-christianity, that Nietzsche wished to overcome.

Nietzsche would have rejected PORN! This is probably most important for most people on here. With Nietzsches "Antichrist", he meant to overcome Christianity and not fall into the traps Christianity itself created: the perversions and orgies the priests celebrated behind closed doors. Nietzsche didn't want to be just reactionary to Christianity, in that he would live that openly, what they lived in secret. He wanted to go a whole different path than Christianity.
A noble honorable path, that is in touch with nature. Not putting it on an alter and worshipping it. (That's not Paganism: the worship of nature, like some Neopagans do believe). But aware of nature and the real spirit, that is not caged in by theistic dogmas.

Christianities GOOD LOVING god, calls for an evil antagonist. So that's why Christians were always the biggest sinners. The sickest perverts in history. Nietzsche knew that. And his "Antichrist" was therefor something BEYOND this dualism of good and evil, that always go together hand in hand. And one cannot live without the other.

Nietzsche wanted to go a third path. Beyond the dualism of good and evil. Porn is just the evil side of Christianity. Like Prostitution also. But Porn is still Christianity. Like the devil is part of the Christian God.
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PostSubject: Re: Porn Addiction and the History of Sexuality Wed Dec 26, 2012 11:26 am

Sex is based on a chemical intoxication.
How else could a male risk life and limb to get a chance to fornicate, without, in the lower species, having a clue about genes and future and legacy?

The sexual frenzy is not conducive to the individual’s survival, which is why one can live an entire life as a virgin or a eunuch.
Although, because species are founded on reproduction the individual does suffer the organic consequences of not relieving itself sexually. The chemicals build-up, even when castrated, to the point where they begin damaging the cells.

Furthermore, the psychology of the individual is affected, as psychology is also man organic by-product…and not so much a stellar one.
The brain is affected by the slight, unperceived, (inter)actions of the organs participating in its existence.
The sexual organs are a part of it, and the age one is castrated, literally, might have an effect on the psychological results.

I do believe eunuchs have been reported to live above the male average.

All this to say that this addiction to porn is a side-effect of this chemical intoxication; a withdrawal symptom seeking satisfaction through alternate methods…like a nicotine addict who then turns to food to deal with the symptoms of withdrawal.

The relationship of the feminine, the instinctive, intuitive, irrational, and the ordered, the rational is what we are dealing with.
The feminine, being an agency of nature, is this tumbling towards the chaotic.

Females find their only power through sex, and their sexual promise.
Males must be driven insane, using biochemical, to make them act in a manner which is detrimental to their own well-being.
Marriage, monogamy, was supposed to deal with this naturally induced madness, by providing each male with a steady, accessible, outlet.
This inhibited the destructive behavior of sexual madness.

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PostSubject: Re: Porn Addiction and the History of Sexuality Wed Dec 26, 2012 1:13 pm

What is so sinister about modernity is that it uses both kinds of nihilism. The one towards the state/god and the one towards the void (in a sense of lost identity and interchangeability of the individual). In Porn we see this combination very clearly.

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Although, because species are founded on reproduction the individual does suffer the organic consequences of not relieving itself sexually. The chemicals build-up, even when castrated, to the point where they begin damaging the cells.

Yes, but the natural drive for sex or the self-release through masturbation when no partner is available is way lower than the enhancement through internet porn. It's a pity there are some who advocate celibacy in this antiporn scene that seems to be growing, as if it was an inevitable part of it. As well as the Christian fanatics, with their bullshit rethoric. But fortunately there is some valid science as well.

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All this to say that this addiction to porn is a side-effect of this chemical intoxication; a withdrawal symptom seeking satisfaction through alternate methods…like a nicotine addict who then turns to food to deal with the symptoms of withdrawal.

I've just been a few days now. I wasn't an excessive user and turned it down before, but the first 24 and 48 hours, I kind of felt some withdrawal. It's the regularity. I did look at some porn daily, even if only for a short while. And that's a habit. An addiction. But science says the sex drive naturally goes to near zero in the first period of withdrawal. That shows that porn artificially enhances some kind of sexdrive or hornyness, that is unnatural. That too might wear off on the cells. I'd assume people who masturbate excessively, age faster.

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Males must be driven insane, using biochemical, to make them act in a manner which is detrimental to their own well-being.

That's it. I realize now that porn is insanity. It is an artificial crazyness one adapts for the female body. The brain is wired to look at women as sex-objects. This is not natural to that excessive degree.

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Marriage, monogamy, was supposed to deal with this naturally induced madness, by providing each male with a steady, accessible, outlet.
This inhibited the destructive behavior of sexual madness.

The MGTOW and MRAs would of course side with the poor men of today, in the usual western cause and effect pattern. It is like candy for the poor. At least the poor men have high speed internet and can jerk off to the newest 20 year old Ukranian Bikinimodel. I realize now that I'd rather be with an avarage looking woman of my age or even a little older in real life than that. It is the objectification of women. That's the nihilism towards the void. Transhumanism. Why so many porn actresses go for the plastic surgery. They want to look all the same, like some computer calculated ideal sexpuppet or robot.
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PostSubject: Re: Porn Addiction and the History of Sexuality Wed Dec 26, 2012 5:05 pm

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What is so sinister about modernity is that it uses both kinds of nihilism.
There is nothing "sinister" about the modern, as a concept.
Modern simply means popular or current.
It just so happens that in our time and palce Modern is dominated by a nihilistic infection, which started two thousand, or so, years ago.

It is the nihilism and its anti-nature, anti-life, anti-reality, which exemplifies what is current today which is at issue.

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The one towards the state/god and the one towards the void (in a sense of lost identity and interchangeability of the individual). In Porn we see this combination very clearly.
In porn the participants are stripped not only of their clothing but of their characters. They become mere representations of the idea of man. They become organ with no past.
This is what we mean by nihilism. An organism, a unity, cut off from its past.
It becomes the immediate, the now and here, the useful. It is stripped of its quality, and becomes sheer quantity: size, weight, mass, numbers.

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PostSubject: Re: Porn Addiction and the History of Sexuality Thu Dec 27, 2012 12:50 am

I'm just envisioning levels of human infidelity to that of a cave man discovering his own cock.


Men like to fantasize, usually taking the fantasy over reality.....especially isolated nerds that can't get with attractive women like those seen in their porno flicks. It's not hard to do the math. Lots of testosterone levels equals higher sex drive...males look for the easiest outlet and this leads the way to porn addiction.

I think the rate of porn addiction is sad and grotesque but I'm also not a man and I don't think like one. I care more about feelings and actual relationships.

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PostSubject: Re: Porn Addiction and the History of Sexuality Sun Dec 30, 2012 8:29 am

Jean Baudrillard. Seduction, Sex and Pornography.

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PostSubject: Re: Porn Addiction and the History of Sexuality Sun Dec 30, 2012 7:04 pm

The feminization of man entails a pseudo-liberation of females.
A reversal, a de-evolution, back to a more primal state.
It entails a destruction of a technology...marriage and monogamy being forms of technology: methods of husbandry.

This forces males to revert, as if it were difficult to revert.

But reversal is not total, as the system oversees it all, controlling the process.

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PostSubject: Re: Porn Addiction and the History of Sexuality Mon Dec 31, 2012 12:01 pm

Is your avatar not your self-identification?

Thanks for revealing so much about yourself.

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