Sex, Culture and Christianity

I'm quoting the basics from the Sex and Culture:
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Wikipedia wrote:

The book concluded with the theory that as societies develop, they become more sexually liberal, accelerating the social entropy of the society, thereby diminishing its "creative" and "expansive" energy.

According to Unwin, after a nation becomes prosperous, it becomes increasingly liberal concerning sexual morality. It thus loses its cohesion, impetus and purpose, which he claims is irrevocable.

I quote from Satyr:

Satyr wrote:

For females male competitiveness is a positive.....for males, who want to establish stable systems, it is a negative.

So it is pretty much clear that in order to establish a stable system, monogamy has to be reinforced.

Now we all know that monogamy is by no means Christian dogma.

In fact, my question today is: Is Christianity perhaps the one world view/religion that actually promotes infidelity?

I remember when I first heard about The Bible and all the "wonderful tales" about Jesus Christ. First I learned that he is the one who forgives. He forgave the woman who committed adultery... which is always said to be unbelievable... revolutionary. Also in the Old Testament in the Book of Hosea, God tells Hosea to take a whore as his wife.

Now, I'm not an expert in any religion or such. But I'm pretty sure that nowhere in the Quran it is said that it is favorable to marry a whore. I'm actually pretty sure that the only religion or a world-view that declares that marrying a whore is a good thing, is, Christianity.

The closest mythologies to me are Finnish Kalevala and the Scandinavian Edda. At least in Edda, the life-long monogamy is promoted and adulterers are usually punished (sometimes by death).
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

folklore.ee wrote:

Breaking of the marriage oath is a severe transgression, as in the cases of Hedinn (HHj, 32-34) or Gudruun and King Thjoodrekr (G III). Randveer and Svanhildr are both put to death for the accusation of adultery (G In, Prologue). Generally, wife and husband remain true to each other, like Sigvördr and Gudruun who sail together to conquer the new lands (Gr St of A, 97-98), even until the very death;

Also, in pre-Western Japan adultery was punishable, usually by death.
The Legal System of Pre-Western Japan   :
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
In the text, One Hundred Articles is mentioned. In that text from the eighteenth century, it is declared that adultery is punishable by death.

So, Christianity is really a revolutionary system in this matter. In fact I've heard someone saying that Christianity is a feminist system, if we consider what was the woman's place back then and relate that to what the Bible says about women and their role. Also consider how many, if not most, Jesus' followers were women. We know that Jesus attracted the misfits: the poor, the sickling, the weakling... maybe he also attracted such women, who were not wanted by anyone else?

So, to me, Christianity is not appearing as a religion that promotes decency and fidelity, in any degree really. To me, it sounds like Christianity is taking it easy on the adulterers.

Cultures with a greater degree of honor code are not so merciful.

The Bible is littered with anti-family messaging.
I posted the ones I found....but the central narrative of Jesus gathering 12 young men, taking them away from their families is an anti-family message, as is the story of mary being impregnated by another male entity, other than her husband, and the underlying message that all children belong to god first, and then to their biological father...
Cuckoldry...

Monogamy nor morality, was invented by Abrahamism.
They encoded and institutionalized it.
Feminism was promoted to undermine traditional family values, through the sexual agency of females.
Females are now married to the institution, the corporation, the state....if not the god of the Bible.
Biblical tropes were secularized and converted to institutions.
All children belong to the institution...it is provider and protector...

Satyr wrote:

The Bible is littered with anti-family messaging.
I posted the ones I found...

Here somewhere? I would like to read them. Very insightful post Satyr. I never had thought that the very basics of Christianity is already such anti-family.

Unfortunately the verses I found years ago re now being concealed by the algorithm....but I think I posted them on KTS.
This is all I could find

Matthew 10:35 wrote:

For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.

Matthew 28:19 wrote:

Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

Matthew 28:16-20 wrote:

Now the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain to which Jesus had directed them. And when they saw him they worshiped him, but some doubted. And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”

Matthew 15:1-39 wrote:

Then Pharisees and scribes came to Jesus from Jerusalem and said, “Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat.” He answered them, “And why do you break the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition? For God commanded, ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘Whoever reviles father or mother must surely die.’ But you say, ‘If anyone tells his father or his mother, “What you would have gained from me is given to God,” ...

If you read between the lines the entire Bible is anti-biological father and traditional family.
The narrative about immaculate conception...the narrative about Jesus gathering his disciples and taking them away from their families, the entire premise of a father in the sky, undermines biological earthly fathers and implies that all children and wives belong to his harem...the Abraham narrative where he is told to slaughter his only begotten son, or when he prétends his wife is his sister...
All anti-fahter, anti-family...

Satyr wrote:

This is all I could find

That's plenty. Thank you.

It's funny how this "Christian conservatism" is claiming to be the opposite force of this modern day desperation.

Just last week there was a news article on Finnish national and main media that said: "Social media influencers are now turning to Christianity and preaching about it".

The fall back position to secular humanism is Christianity, from where it sprung as its logical progression.
A disease progresses, so recuperation would mean one has to revert to one of tis stages....and so we see how Christians are the only ones who can critique the genitally mutilated ones... if they remain within the lines of their shared delusions.
Spiritual nihilism eventually evolves into secular forms....because the god they believe in is divisive - god being ana abstraction of their idealization of their collectivity - ...and their goal is messianic...global.
No competitor will be tolerated.
So, they replace the anthropomorphic representation for a more abstract version - something vague enough to be more inclusive....and easily adapted to changing circumstances.
God, become humanity....then simply idea/ideal....represented by a symbol/word with no external referent: a concept, abstraction, that can then be transmitted from mind to mind relying on intersubjectively validation and subjective - personal - needs/desires to overcome any lingering skepticism.
To put it simpler: the lowest-common-denomonator is exploited to unify disparate minds into a collective.
Need/Desire...Need/Desire become unifiers and justifications.
The world united by weakness - nil.

Satyr wrote:

The fall back position to secular humanism is Christianity, from where it sprung as its logical progression.

Yes. So we will not necessarily see a new system rise after post-humanism, though it is possible? It could be that people "awaken" and simply fall back to Christianity or Marxism... which are similar systems than Christianity. This could especially be the case if technology will stop developing, atleast in any great degree, since the "eugenic trans-humanism" which Fukuyama told about, requires very high degree of technological development.

The average mind is unable to abandon everything it believes in and was raised on....the shock would be too traumatic.
It can only go from an advanced form of nihilism to a less advanced form - less abstract, less incorporeal - ....so we see Russia adopting Orthodox Christianity after Marxism.....because they cannot go straight to paganism.

Abrahamism inverts paganism - corrupts it without entirely abandoning it; we se this in Judaism and Christianity.....both lead to Communism as a secularized version of the same principles.
All those who sought shelter in Abrahamic superstitions - inversions of existence - can no longer cope with any degree of realism.
We notice this with anyone exposed to reality, as I present it: without disclaimers and apologetics, i.e., raw....asking nobody to accept them.
I don't need to. If I am truly presenting reality unaffected by my personal needs/desires then reality will prove my positions in the long run.

In Judaism they believe in matrilineal descent:
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Clear evidence that they are anti-biological-male.

Christianity, Marxism, Post-humanism, Eugenic trans-humanism. All anti-male, anti-family.

Another inversion, like circumcision, symbolically differentiating themselves as the "chosen".
In effect, they are representatives of the only alpha, god - proxy males.

Anti-nature, yet acknowledging female natural agency.

Anti-Traditional family....they reinvent family from a genetic reproduction to memetic, i.e., ideological, dogmatic.
Their Judaic lineage is about the ideology, linking them back to when they broke off from the Semitic branch and became Jews.
We see this secondary concern for genetic lineage in Abraham's willingness to give his wife to the Pharaoh, as a way of assimilating Egyptian genes to conceal future generations - pretending to be Egyptians. they practice this among all the hosts.
This is also evident in the Jesus narrative where Joseph did not want Mary to get rid of a child conceived by a Roman - god - but was willing to adopt the child as his own; a child carrying Roman genes so he could blend into the host's dominion; we see this when they change their names to pretend to be a part of the ethnic group they never integrate into.
The meme is the unifying identifier...genes are but the external illusion, the mask...and this is exactly what postmodernism is. Genes only matter in order to trace back the memetic purity of their ideology - straight to the original text.

genes that doesn´t make you look pretty, run or swim fast or jump high, or set your dopamine levels high, how advanced?

even a pretty human who inherited angelic dna, could be shot on da streets, evolution?

human, the animal who evolved to develop a fetish for death and violence-effects, guns, bombs, etc, brava?

blowjobs, underrated, satanic?
females feeling sexually liberated, a problem, why? male brain response, slut, promiscuous, whore, why care?

i don´t want my wiener anymore, i want it gone, a disease, why? please, enlighten me

ai says,

the eye does not rebel against the body and manifest its own super essence, linking itself to the grand flux of external phenomenons

the ear does not alchemize music into soundwaves of pure energy coursing through its nerves, rejuvenating the brain,

goodness-weird wrote:

genes that doesn´t make you look pretty, run or swim fast or jump high, or set your dopamine levels high, how advanced?

Is that a question or a statment?

goodness-weird wrote:

even a pretty human who inherited angelic dna, could be shot on da streets, evolution?

Yeah, and?
Is anyone saying that genes save you from existence, or make you immortal?

goodness-weird wrote:

human, the animal who evolved to develop a fetish for death and violence-effects, guns, bombs, etc, brava?

You are on something, right?
Man is the most violent species because of his mind.
Every benefit has a cost.

goodness-weird wrote:

blowjobs, underrated, satanic?
females feeling sexually liberated, a problem, why? male brain response, slut, promiscuous, whore, why care?

Nobody asked you to care.

goodness-weird wrote:

i don´t want my wiener anymore, i want it gone, a disease, why? please, enlighten me

You have....issues.

goodness-weird wrote:

ai says,

the eye does not rebel against the body and manifest its own super essence, linking itself to the grand flux of external phenomenons

the ear does not alchemize music into soundwaves of pure energy coursing through its nerves, rejuvenating the brain,

And yet, the mind does turn on the body it is a part of, because it has its own store of memories that may contradict those of the body...and it is easily seduced, bribed, coerced to adopt its own memories and to negate, deny, reject those of its body....because the mind feels like a god, safely encased in the cranium, able to contradict space/time, able to use its own constructs to "correct" reality.
It prefers schizophrenia to cohesion....
The world is too harsh, too indifferent, too unjust...for the mind to handle.
The brain evolved to help the organism deal with existence....and schizophrenia is a way to deal with existence.
Better to go insane than to remain sane if sanity leads to death.
Bette a lie than a truth that is unendurable....

This is why I say that intelligence is not enough. Very few are born with the psychological constitution and the mental fortitude to see existence, as it is, and to acknowledge it, as it is.
A "genius" with a feeble spirit will revert to an imbecile....just to help him cope; an adult man will revert to a child if it helps him survive.

The primary motive is survival....few manage to place something else above it.
The primary state of life is reactive; few manage to become proactive, despite the consequences and the uncertainties.

personally, i find the hyper-violent display of humans overrated,

and im just playing with you dude,

we both know that human´s purpose is to create genetically modified squirrels and cats,

and lets be real,

the brain really isn´t that smart
its clouded by fear and judgement, like a psychotic, regurgitating its low level programs second by second

goodness-weird wrote:

and lets be real,

the brain really isn´t that  smart
its clouded by fear and judgement, like a psychotic, regurgitating its low level programs second by second

Yours, especially.


And this is why objectivity is a difficult life-long task - know thyelf.

look dude, the brain in it´s current condition is a lost cause,

you don´t see it do you?

guilt, shame, pride, religious hubris, fear, disgust, envy, memory, aggression, judgement, thoughts, low dopamine setpoint

low level programs, that need to be shut off,

high level programs, a sense of unity with nature, gracious dopamine rush, fearlessness, visual wonder, second by second rebirth,

the process of shutting off low level programs,
and installing high level programs, is the only shot we got,

extra-terrestrials, our only potential saviours, ie. re-programmers, or installers, don´t care about objectivity or truth, they are hybrid thinkers,

Your self-hating nihilism is impressive.
Advocating for a brainwash....and cybernetic prosthetics.

What will be lost are all those unconscious memories, that make us human; those you so despise. Memories waiting to be triggered....expressing themselves in artistic inspiration, as if it came from an external divine source.
What will be lost is art....the human condition.

Trans-Humanism....the underlying trans-valuing of all values....and the trans-ascedence of the mortal coil of the physical.
One has to be lobotomized or mentally circum-cised, to exorcize the the demons within.

Is not their god good/evil, man/woman?
Secret desire to erase multiplicity and re-turn back to the absolute oneness...peace on earth, peace of mind, eternal peace of the schiizoid mind...
Compartmentalization - absence of psychosomatic cohesion - often has this reaction, imagining its previous state as evil, dreaming/fantasizing a return to an ancient state of perfection.
When the mind is semiotically 'liberated" from physicality, the tangible, the experienced real, it can fantasize whatever alternate reality expresses tis secret needs/desires.

Drugs often give it a confused insight into its internal turmoil, believing it is tis 'rue self' or some cosmic truth it is tapping into.

exactly, with peace of mind, bio-upgrades and prolonged life-span,

human would live in some kind of free zone, free to develop his/her skills, his practise with ease and grace

like sports, or gaming, or maybe he/she would just swim with the dolphins every midnight in the tropics,

hey satyr, do you believe boys can, or share the potentital, to make-believe fun, with big dildo´s in their jeans,
a kind of kindergarden 2.0, little boys "powar trippin" i think it would be a nice contrast to the adults "powar play"

or will male adults continue to supress such phenomena from coming to fruition,
anyways, i´m rooting for da boys, tired of the same old same old dick measure competitions by males in high status-positions,

next level kindergarden versus patriarchal institutions?

goodness-weird wrote:

hey satyr, do you believe boys can, or share the potentital, to make-believe fun, with big dildo´s in their jeans,
a kind of kindergarden 2.0, little boys "powar trippin" i think it would be a nice contrast to the adults "powar play"  

Your preoccupation with penis size is becoming a predictable pattern.
Is there something you wish to confess?

But, children use play to explore the world and how they relate to it.
If it persists into adulthood, there's a problem. I think you have this problem.
Re-Tard...from the French...

goodness-weird wrote:

or will male adults continue to supress such phenomena from coming to fruition,

males tend to revert to adolescence when they are in groups, and haven't yet established a stable hierarchy, or are intoxicated, allowing represse feelnig to come forth, or a female is present, dominated by hormonal intoxications.

goodness-weird wrote:

anyways, i´m rooting for da boys, tired of the same old same old dick measure competitions by males in high status-positions,

In your circles is penis size the 'rule' of measuring status?
I suggest you stay out of sub-Saharan Africa.

goodness-weird wrote:

next level kindergarden versus patriarchal institutions?

What does the Patriarchy have to do with cock size?
If anything, patriarchy includes 'big and small' under the category of homoioi - based on genetics, or memetics, or both.

if such a project isn´t launched within the next 6 years,

id say, it´s a sign that western culture is an anti-satanic, anti boy culture,

and the good things about dildos? they can´t be surgically removed

hey dude, it´s just a potential, you fancy more the potential of nu.clea war?

There are worse thing than death.