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PostSubject: Luck, Probability, actions and Innate Abilities Luck, Probability, actions and Innate Abilities EmptyWed Mar 13, 2013 4:22 am

If the probability of excelling is low, and yet one or a few excel, is it by chance,
or is it due to proper actions and innate abilities? The majority that don't excel,
is it because of bad luck or a certain "bad" group of people or a broken system
or all-of-the-above?

This sparked my interest based on a minor conversation. X's kids were told to
work to pay for an Ivy League University which X was unwilling to do on a
matter of principle. X forbade the kids from taking loans. X's kids worked 6 years,
taking on 2 jobs to pay through towards a bachelor degree. After accumulating
the money, they took the maximum amount of credits to make up for lost
time, and graduated in just under 3 years, debt free. The only thing X offered
was a rent free home, and covering expenses like food, gas, etc. while they
worked to save up.

Z claims X's kids were lucky for finding not 1, but 2 jobs in a bad economy
where people can't even find a single job and then goes on to say how
privileged X's kids were for having their father provide shelter and cover
expenses, while Z, has two jobs and barely making ends meet. Z says people
survive gunshot wounds to the head, but that doesn’t mean Z wants to put a
gun in his mouth, or make it safe to catch a bullet in the temple. And Z is saying
this as a person whose mother took 24 years to get her Masters due to being a
single mother and often working 2–3 jobs just to raise their kid.

X believes in proper choices and innate abilities, Z says its chance and blames
a broken system.

If one was born in North Korea, where the majority fail to excel. if one ends up
excelling, is it by chance/broken system, or proper choices and innate abilities?

Snail, shrimp, jellyfish, and sea star eat the plankton, yet plankton doesn't go
extinct. Individual plankters survive and reproduce, is it chance/broken system
or innate abilities?


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PostSubject: Re: Luck, Probability, actions and Innate Abilities Luck, Probability, actions and Innate Abilities EmptyWed Mar 13, 2013 7:15 am

The environment determines the response.
In your example the environment is man-made....and this means that it is governed by human ideals of a particular culture, determining what is considered proper and what is considered useful.

Chance is a term given to what man cannot understand, or cannot find and evaluate the patterns within it.
Randomness (chaos) factors in.

Define "excel".
Are North Koreans sad because they cannot live-up to Modern, western standards of production and consuming?

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PostSubject: Re: Luck, Probability, actions and Innate Abilities Luck, Probability, actions and Innate Abilities EmptyWed Mar 13, 2013 9:24 am

Satyr wrote:
Define "excel".
Are North Koreans sad because they cannot live-up to Modern, western standards of production and consuming?

Excel: Becoming proficient in an activity.

However, I believe excel was a poor choice of words since the man-made
environment can limit the activities to, lets say, farming. Thus one can
only excel in that, unless one can create new activities and excel in them
despite the environments active limitations.

I'm actually not sure what the right word is now. I was going to say develop/adapt.
Increasing the standard-of-living - Education, health... No idea.

As for North Korea, I am going to say they're sad because the system is modeled
similarly as former USSR and those that lived under USSR were very sad and angry
over the higher standard-of-living in America and even Europe.

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PostSubject: Re: Luck, Probability, actions and Innate Abilities Luck, Probability, actions and Innate Abilities EmptyWed Mar 13, 2013 9:38 am

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Excel: Becoming proficient in an activity.

However, I believe excel was a poor choice of words since the man-made
environment can limit the activities to, lets say, farming. Thus one can
only excel in that, unless one can create and excel in those activities despite
the environments active limits.

I'm actually not sure what the right word is now. I was going to say develop/adapt.
Increasing the standard-of-living - Education, health... No idea.
Can one excel in murdering people?
Can one excell in being nihilistic and anti-nature, and in hiding from reality?

lilynate wrote:
As for North Korea, I am going to say they're sad because the system is modeled
similarly as former USSR and those that lived under USSR were very sad and angry
over the higher standard-of-living in America and even Europe.
People get angry when they are threatened. In this case they envy...because the west, capitalism, feeds into primal needs...directing and shaping them.
The visuals can be impressive...with all that glitter and pretense.

I'm sure anyone not experiencing it from the inside or not able to see underneath its facade, would be affected by the spectacle.

Do you think people in the west are happy?

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Brilliant people can fail, and idiots can succeed. Not all that happens is reducible to a simple set of variables.
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Yes, genetic drift, I've heard of it.

You are still thinking in absolutes.
Time to break free of Judeo-Christian brainwashing, and primal binary logic.

No certainty...only probabilities.

Intelligence grantees nothing...it only increases the probability of this or that occurring.
I can fight a gorilla, which is bigger and stronger, and its traits only offer it an increase in probability not a certainty.

There are no absolutes, so how can there be absolute certainty?

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PostSubject: Re: Luck, Probability, actions and Innate Abilities Luck, Probability, actions and Innate Abilities EmptyWed Mar 13, 2013 4:15 pm

Satyr wrote:
Can one excel in murdering people?

Yes, and even more so as technology progresses.

Satyr wrote:

Can one excel in being nihilistic

Well destruction is a form of rejection so you can excel in destroying all religious and moral principles.

Satyr wrote:
and anti-nature, and in hiding from reality?

Can anything that operates within nature/reality, be really considered anti? Spirituality, Morality,
Solipsism, Drugs, Alcohol, fantasy games???

Satyr wrote:

Do you think people in the west are happy?

Generally, yeah, but I think line between the majority being happy and the minority that is not is beginning to blur.

Take a guy who feels extreme joy whenever he eats cheeseburgers. The guy dies at age 30 from a
massive heart attack/stroke but those 30 years were the happiest years of his life. Is he a complete dumb-ass?
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PostSubject: Re: Luck, Probability, actions and Innate Abilities Luck, Probability, actions and Innate Abilities EmptyWed Mar 13, 2013 4:23 pm

kremlin wrote:
Brilliant people can fail, and idiots can succeed. Not all that happens is reducible to a simple set of variables.

I consider a brilliant mathematician that dies from starvation, a dumb-ass. I'd rather be searching, focusing on
a brilliant mathematician that knows how to feed himself (the best of both worlds).
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PostSubject: Re: Luck, Probability, actions and Innate Abilities Luck, Probability, actions and Innate Abilities EmptyWed Mar 13, 2013 4:29 pm

lilynate wrote:
Satyr wrote:
Can one excel in murdering people?

Yes, and even more so as technology progresses.
Technology is more of a cheat.
You gain the credits, by being a good little sheep, the right to purchase a device which can do more harm than you could ever do.
This is not you excelling...this is you surrendering to the excellence of another.

A child can use a gun to kill an adult male...has it surpassed the man?
Has it excelled?

lilynate wrote:
Satyr wrote:

Can one excel in being nihilistic and anti-nature, and in hiding from reality?

Well destruction is a form of rejection so you can excel in destroying all religious and moral principles.
Really?
You mean Christianity does not reject nature...reality...the world?

What is it when a man rejects the rejection?
What is it called when a man negates a negation?

But that aside...tell me....if you are to build, without destroying, what would it be and how?
I destroy the landscape to level it down and build a home upon it...you?
I destroy a life to feed on and build up my energies....and grow, you?

lilynate wrote:

Satyr wrote:
and anti-nature, and in hiding from reality?

Can anything that operates within nature/reality, be really considered anti? Spirituality, Morality,
Solipsism, Drugs, Alcohol, fantasy games???
Is not the rejection of life, nature, anti-life and anti-nature?
If I reject the past, am I not annulling all the circumstances that made me possible?

Negating an controlling are not the same.
A drug addict wishes to escape reality...using, ironically, a real numbing agency.
This is what makes these types pathetic.
A christian wants to negate the world, and escape into a better, alternative one...yet he uses a brain evolved in the world to do it.
See how sad these types are?

lilynate wrote:

Satyr wrote:

Do you think people in the west are happy?

Generally, yeah, but I think line between the majority being happy and the minority that is not is beginning to blur.
A minority is not?
Really?
There's an Australian documentary that I recently saw...you should watch it.

If everyone is so happy, then why are they working so much?
Why are they drugging themselves?
Why are they watching T.V. and movies to live through caricatures?

Are you for real?
Western man is the most miserable man in history.
Full and still missing something.

lilynate wrote:
Take a guy who feels extreme joy over whenever he eats cheeseburgers. The guy dies at age 30 from a
massive heart attack/stroke but he those 30 years were the happiest years of his life. Is he a complete dumb-ass?
Are you a hedonist?

You have to ask yourself, why does he eat so much, when his body does not require it?
The connection between sex and food is obvious.
He feels "extreme joy"?
Really?
You mean he jumps and hollers? Is it like watching your son speak his first words...that kind of joy?

Feeding a need, offers a momentary relief....a relief from the the sensation of need.

For you "happy" means numb...inebriated....
So, your version of happiness is one where it escapes the world.

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lilynate wrote:
kremlin wrote:
Brilliant people can fail, and idiots can succeed. Not all that happens is reducible to a simple set of variables.

I consider a brilliant mathematician that dies from starvation, a dumb-ass. I'd rather be searching, focusing on
a brilliant mathematician that knows how to feed himself (the best of both worlds).
I'm beginning to see that food plays a big part in your world-view and your definition of happiness.

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lilynate wrote:
kremlin wrote:
Brilliant people can fail, and idiots can succeed. Not all that happens is reducible to a simple set of variables.
I consider a brilliant mathematician that dies from starvation, a dumb-ass. I'd rather be searching, focusing on
a brilliant mathematician that knows how to feed himself (the best of both worlds).
So that's how you understand what I said, huh?

What about this:
the fact that perfectly normal children die all the time, sometimes by infant death syndrome, or their parents left them in a car that was too hot, or whatever other accidents (preventable or otherwise) that happen that were no fault of their own
while children with downs syndrome survive quite frequently.

there's not a perfect correlation between intelligence and success. If you can't see that, you can't see.
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You have a modernistic way of defining "success", dear boy.

For you, it seems, that merely surviving, under any condition, suffices.

I wonder how long your down syndrome children would survive outside of the umbrella of humanistic nihilism.

I sense a bit of joy in your tone.
As if the fact that the superior perish while the inferior survive is some kind of redemption.
Are you happy?

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I didn't define success at all.

But the OP did. It seems to be defined based on income, or employment, based on the OP. Are you going to argue with me that there IS a perfect correlation between intelligence and either of those two things? If not, then...we agree. If you are, then you also can't see.
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What if intelligence results in the rejection of common value systems and common standards of success?

Awareness simply means to see.
What one does with this sight is another matter.

Intelligence is not enough.
Why is it that intelligent people make stupid mistakes?
Because their intelligence is corrupted by need...or fear.

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PostSubject: Re: Luck, Probability, actions and Innate Abilities Luck, Probability, actions and Innate Abilities EmptyWed Mar 13, 2013 7:10 pm

Satyr wrote:

Technology is more of a cheat.
You gain the credits, by being a good little sheep, the right to purchase a device which can do more harm than you could ever do.
This is not you excelling...this is you surrendering to the excellence of another.

A child can use a gun to kill an adult male...has it surpassed the man?
Has it excelled?

But the original creator wasn't a proficient marksmen. An excellent marksmen utilized the weapon in ways the
creator could only dream of.

The child didn't excel because the sample size was small. On-the-other-hand, take a guy that has a
large dead body count under his belt, and its a different story. Also, I wouldn't consider excel necessarily
as surpassing another with proficiency. Both could be similarly proficient.

Let's put technology on the side, you can still excel your physical abilities. A martial arts expert would
be more proficient at killing than a regular joe.

Satyr wrote:
Really?
You mean Christianity does not reject nature...reality...the world?

Christianity is all about spirituality, but it sees the natural world as a temporary hallway before
ascending into the spiritual world ("heaven"). It teaches you to accept and participate in the natural
world, but it dictates rules.

I was trying to say that since humans are part of the natural environment, then everything humans
do, create, is natural. Is eugenics really artificial selection because man decides, instead of nature
selection? Technically then, welfare is artificial selection since it allows all humans to live, especially
those who would die under natural selection.

But reading further, your points on anti-nature were good.

Satyr wrote:
What is it when a man rejects the rejection?
What is it called when a man negates a negation?

Antidisestablishmentarianism ??

Double negative? Wouldn't that be acceptance?

Contradict?
Disregard?
Defiance?
Bickering?

Satyr wrote:
But that aside...tell me....if you are to build, without destroying, what would it be and how?
I destroy the landscape to level it down and build a home upon it...you?
I destroy a life to feed on and build up my energies....and grow, you?

I don't see how one can build without destroying, unless one follows the Möbius strip of
thought - you cannottruly destroy anything, only change its form or appearance. You'd
have to discard the concept of destruction and view everything as being in a constant
state of flux.

Satyr wrote:
A minority is not?
Really?
There's an Australian documentary that I recently saw...you should watch it.

If everyone is so happy, then why are they working so much?
Why are they drugging themselves?
Why are they watching T.V. and movies to live through caricatures?

Are you for real?
Western man is the most miserable man in history.
Full and still missing something.

What is the documentary?

Well who is always bitching and moaning? The poor, the sick, the unskilled, etc. This is the minority.

The majority work because they know the money is spent on new stimulus to make them happy.
Stimulus such as drugs, and movies.

All acts are self-pleasure, even the sadomasochist. It can only be a positive drive. Negative and neutral
are stagnant which is why something like selflessness is impossible. You're helping someone for a selfish
reason(self-pleasure).


Satyr wrote:
Are you a hedonist?

You have to ask yourself, why does he eat so much, when his body does not require it?
The connection between sex and food is obvious.
He feels "extreme joy"?
Really?
You mean he jumps and hollers? Is it like watching your son speak his first words...that kind of joy?

Feeding a need, offers a momentary relief....a relief from the the sensation of need.

For you "happy" means numb...inebriated....
So, your version of happiness is one where it escapes the world.

This wasn't my thought. Someone told me to think this over last night, so I thought I'd
throw it in here to get your opinion on it.

You know why the guy keeps eating after being satiated? Because taste buds > satiation. The taste buds
are a greater joy then being satiated.

How is watching your son speak his first words not a momentary relief? You didn't have a desire to hear him
speak or watch him take his first footsteps?

Happy for me means satisfied. Doesn't have to correlate with being anti-nature.


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Satyr wrote:
I'm beginning to see that food plays a big part in your world-view and your definition of happiness.

hehe, I did use food a lot, didn't I? I'm actually a health-nut, so the types of food I eat, is important.

Food is basic and essential. Shows a minimum level of intelligence if one can feed him/herself.

If you ignore the shortcoming of a brilliant person then you're focusing on the quantity of people,
not the quality because then everyone must be helped because they might be the next potential
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Satyr wrote:

Technology is more of a cheat.
You gain the credits, by being a good little sheep, the right to purchase a device which can do more harm than you could ever do.
This is not you excelling...this is you surrendering to the excellence of another.

A child can use a gun to kill an adult male...has it surpassed the man?
Has it excelled?
If the creator is clever enough the user does not even have to aim.

But the original creator wasn't a proficient marksmen. An excellent marksmen utilized the weapon in ways the
creator could only dream of.

lilynate wrote:
The child didn't excel because the sample size was small. On-the-other-hand, take a guy that has a
large dead body count under his belt, and its a different story. Also, I wouldn't consider excel necessarily
as surpassing another with proficiency. Both could be similarly proficient.

Let's put technology on the side, you can still excel your physical abilities. A martial arts expert would
be more proficient at killing than a regular joe.
Did I not say: probability?

lilynate wrote:
Satyr wrote:
Really?
You mean Christianity does not reject nature...reality...the world?

Christianity is all about spirituality, but it sees the natural world as a temporary hallway before
ascending into the spiritual world ("heaven"). It teaches you to accept and participate in the natural
world, but it dictates rules.
Yes, Christianity is one of many spiritual world-views...each with its own ideals.
Christianity is nihilistic.
It negates the sensual world, with the promise of another.

lilynate wrote:
I was trying to say that since humans are part of the natural environment, then everything humans
do, create, is natural. Is eugenics really artificial selection because man decides, instead of nature
selection? Technically then, welfare is artificial selection since it allows all humans to live, especially
those who would die under natural selection.
I've given my definition of "artificial".

Tool using is common in many species.
But only man intervenes upon his environment to such an extent that the fabricated environment influences him more than the one he intervened upon.

This is a cocooning...institutionalization....domestication.
Read Baudrillard....


lilynate wrote:
Satyr wrote:
What is it when a man rejects the rejection?
What is it called when a man negates a negation?

Antidisestablishmentarianism ??

Double negative? Wouldn't that be acceptance?
How coy.

Let's try again:
What is a negative of a negative?
What is a nay-sayer, to a nay-sayer?

Nietzsche called himself a nihilist.
Why did you suppose he did so?

lilynate wrote:
I don't see how one can build without destroying, unless one follows the Möbius strip of
thought - you cannottruly destroy anything, only change its form or appearance. You'd
have to discard the concept of destruction and view everything as being in a constant
state of flux.
What we have here is the ordering in the disordering.
When I destroy something, I disorganize it, so at to rummage and build my own order...based on my ideals.

A man destroys a forest to build a Mall.
Another just destroys the Mall, allowing the forest to regrow.
It's about excess.
I kill to eat...I do not slaughter entire herds to cut one up for a hot-dog.
Balance.

A hater of life, and of nature...simply destroys what makes him feel weak and stupid and pathetic and insecure.
He wants to destroy, pave it over, and forget what was there before...forget the past.
He feels no gratitude towards the past...towards the one he killed.
He is a miser...a Jew.

He wants to erase the past, so that he can reinvent the world according to his ideals.

lilynate wrote:

Well who is always bitching and moaning? The poor, the sick, the unskilled, etc. This is the minority.
I don't know what world you live in, but in mine I see unhappienss. They want more and more...and it is never enough; Wednesday comes and they are already talking about the weekend; millions on the streets and everyone is so alone....can't be with themselves; everyone is fixing themselves up, buying trinkets to adorn what they are unhappy with.

lilynate wrote:
The majority work because they know the money is spent on new stimulus to make them happy.
Stimulus such as drugs, and movies.
Ergo, they are never satisfied...they need distraction, to escape their life.

lilynate wrote:
All acts are self-pleasure, even the sadomasochist. It can only be a positive drive. Negative and neutral
are stagnant which is why something like selflessness is impossible. You're helping someone for a selfish
reason(self-pleasure).
I'm with Schopenhauer on this.
Pleasure is a negative sensation; it negates the natural state of need.
What is need?
The sensation of existing?
What is existence?
Flux.
So, why do we need...constantly, and are only ephemerally distracted, satiated, before another need occupies us...and the old one begins to build up again?
Because we are resiting entropy...we are an ordering in the disordering; because we are trying to maintain ourselves in the Flux.

lilynate wrote:
You know why the guy keeps eating after being satiated? Because taste buds > satiation. The taste buds
are a greater joy then being satiated.
No, only a glutton eats after he is full...and this because he is trying to satisfy a deeper void than the one in his stomache.

The taste buds, do not evolve accidentally.
Why does salt and sugar taste good?
Because the body needs these ingredients and they are rare, in nature.

Modern systems produce abundance, in nutrients, but the body has not evolved to adapt to the modern environments...it lags.
So it continues to behave as it would in the wild...when it is living in a man-made environment.

Same goes for monogamy.

lilynate wrote:
How is watching your son speak his first words not a momentary relief?
Because it surpasses the moment.
He goes beyond me.

lilynate wrote:
You didn't have a desire to hear him
speak or watch him take his first footsteps?
Not before I met him, no.

lilynate wrote:
Happy for me means satisfied. Doesn't have to correlate with being anti-nature.
But you are never satisfied, are you?

Nobody is...otherwise there would be no economy.

Think of need as a group of vases, under a slow stream.
When you relieve it, satiate one, empty one...the gratification is momentary, because another catches your eye. As you are emptying it, the one you just emptied is filling up again.
There is no satiation...there is only a momentary, sometimes orgasmic, distraction from it.

When you feel full, it doesn't mean you are with no need. It means you've evolved a sack to store nutrients in...allowing your need to be continuously fed,a s you sleep, and go about your business.
You are never free of need....you are unconscious of it.
Your body is continuously fighting off viruses, and repairing damages and feeding...If the energies available to you suffice, it falls under your consciousness radar.

Drugs and alcohol are devices to make you numb to your own condition.

Prolonged gratification leads to atrophy...leading to a more pronounced need/suffering.

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lilynate wrote:
Satyr wrote:
I'm beginning to see that food plays a big part in your world-view and your definition of happiness.

hehe, I did use food a lot, didn't I? I'm actually a health-nut, so the types of food I eat, is important.

Food is basic and essential. Shows a minimum level of intelligence if one can feed him/herself.

If you ignore the shortcoming of a brilliant person then you're focusing on the quantity of people,
not the quality because then everyone must be helped because they might be the next potential
Einstein.
Everybody keeps on bringing up Einstein.

Who the fuck cares?
Einstein was not the IDEAL man...nor anything we couldn't live without.

This shit about tolerating billions of retards so that someone can come up with an insight that will give us nuclear fusion, is ludicrous.
It's like putting-up with billions of chimps typing away, on the off-chance that one of them will write a brilliant play

Not efficient....and NO, not everyone, born to any race, is a potential genius.
What was Einstein?
An Ashkenazim Jew.

Why did the Renaissance occur after the Black Plague years?

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How coy.

Let's try again:
What is a negative of a negative?
What is a nay-sayer, to a nay-sayer?

I don't know. Tell me.

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Nietzsche called himself a nihilist.
Why did you suppose he did so?

Well, what others have called being or nature (physics), he calls Chaos (more accurately, power).

He works (rhetorically) for the destruction of modern liberalism and has only contempt for
European values identified as decadence.

He says that Christianity is Platonism for the people and that all philosophy is interpretation
(hence preparing the way for post-modernism).

He thinks that philosophers should be warrior/artists and believes that all religion is a human
creation (with only some early salutary effects). He counsels cruelty (no turning the other cheek for him)

He identifies himself with the pagan god Dionysus.

He seeks the transformation of all values, hence the transformation of mankind and states that
European moral values (Christianity) is the morality of the herd animal.

He is not talking about some sort of gentle Maslow-ian self-actualization. He philosophizes with dynamite, shattering all idols.

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I don't know what world you live in, but in mine I see unhappiness. They want more and more...and it is never enough; Wednesday comes and they are already talking about the weekend; millions on the streets and everyone is so alone....can't be with themselves; everyone is fixing themselves up, buying trinkets to adorn what they are unhappy with.

And the opposite of this is what?

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Ergo, they are never satisfied...they need distraction, to escape their life.

And the alternative is what?

Satyr wrote:
Everybody keeps on bringing up Einstein.

Who the fuck cares?
Einstein was not the IDEAL man...nor anything we couldn't live without.

This shit about tolerating billions of retards so that someone can come up with an insight that will give us nuclear fusion, is ludicrous.
It's like putting-up with billions of chimps typing away, on the off-chance that one of them will write a brilliant play

Not efficient....and NO, not everyone, born to any race, is a potential genius.
What was Einstein?
An Ashkenazim Jew.

Exactly. Quality > quantity. That was my point with the brilliant mathematician who starves to death.
I wouldn't value him. There are tons of people like him (good at one thing, weak at another). I would
only value the guy that can do it all (or much more than others) and do it more proficiently.
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I don't know. Tell me.
Try harder.

lilynate wrote:
Well, what others have called being or nature (physics), he calls Chaos (more accurately, power).
This is funny.

lilynate wrote:
He is not talking about some sort of gentle Maslow-ian self-actualization. He philosophizes with dynamite, shattering all idols.
And he destroys.
He negates the negators.

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And the opposite of this is what?
To Know Thyself...is to know what you truly need, and what you can do without.

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And the alternative is what?
Habituation with need.
Strength is built by exposure to mass, to stress.
This leads to a higher tolerance for mass, stress...or it leads to annihilation.

Contentment is nothing more than a habituation with a higher level of need, making anything below it unoticed.

lilynate wrote:
Exactly. Quality > quantity. That was my point with the brilliant mathematician who starves to death.
I wouldn't value him. There are tons of people like him (good at one thing, weak at another). I would
only value the guy that can do it all (or much more than others) and do it more proficiently.
Then why bring up Einstein...who was good at one thing?

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Habituation with need.
Strength is built by exposure to mass, to stress.
This leads to a higher tolerance for mass, stress...or it leads to annihilation.

So that's like working on becoming a god? a god has no need (the ideal).

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Then why bring up Einstein...who was good at one thing?

Oh, I see. I did put a big IF in the beginning of that statement but I used a contradictory sample (Einstein). Freudian slip?
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So that's like working on becoming a god? a god has no need (the ideal).
Whatever ideal you aim for, is your affair...it only defines you.

"God" is silly and a Nihilistic construct...try something more earthy.



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Oh, I see. I did put a big IF in the beginning of that statement but I used a contradictory sample (Einstein). Freudian slip?
No...the power of suggestion.
The argument that you need to protect billions of idiots on the off-chance that one of them becomes an Einstein, has been floating around on the Internets for years.

Einstein has become some kind of post-modern icon.

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To Know Thyself...is to know what you truly need, and what you can do without.

Habituation with need.
Strength is built by exposure to mass, to stress.
This leads to a higher tolerance for mass, stress...or it leads to annihilation.

Contentment is nothing more than a habituation with a higher level of need, making anything below it unoticed.

It's about excess.
I kill to eat...I do not slaughter entire herds to cut one up for a hot-dog.
Balance.


Isn't all this a bit like stoicism and virtue ethics?
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I guess so.
I do not use labels.
They force me to defend ideas that I do not agree with.

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