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PostSubject: Re: Depression East/West Thu Jan 17, 2013 6:15 pm

Buddhism is aryan. It is very noble. But it says: No, instead of yes. That is the problem. Some of it's elements are very appealing. Even in its tibetan form. It could be a bridge for westerners to surpass the judeo-christian mainstream and search for their own pagan roots.

I think of the Polytheism in it. For example the Mahakala prayer. Someone beat a gong (or bass drum) during the singing and they used other instruments as well in one sangha. And afterwards I told him how much I liked it. And he said: the gong is there so that it sounds really "barbaric". That's something else than Christianity.

I am not mean spirited towards tibetan Buddhism. I wish they would take their teachings to heart. But I am mean spirited towards the superficial yuppies and feminists I've encountered there, who slander the whole thing, westernize it even more. Strip it of everything meaningful, traditional. It's turning fascist in my opinion. Some elitism with no foundation.

I even did the Phowa. So I was really into it. And meditation is a tool that makes you more serene. I still go to the meditations sometimes.

It was a decision back then to "experience". Not to "learn". After a while people came to me to learn from me. And this is a role, I don't like. Of course I am closer to the original Buddha then any of them. Because they want to use Buddhism to make money, careers. For me Buddhism is a more natural part of my life.
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PostSubject: Re: Depression East/West Thu Jan 17, 2013 6:51 pm

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Women use their rationale to examine and judge carefully, to ascertain a worth. I see this as not exclusively feeling, more like a practical wisdom. This is a beacon for women. It shows them what is the best thing to do under the circumstances. So it would be correct to say women have an 'underdeveloped thinking function' compared to men, but it cannot be called dumb as this underestimates a woman's ability to comprehend and evaluate, which is why they assume the role of the "weaker" sex, it is purely self preservation. Men still have the edge, although one may be hard pressed to convince a man of this.

Women tend to use their rationale to always ascertain their safety and security before anything else, their self-preservation as you mentioned. I may be generalising a bit, but they do tend to do that.

They want everything, but without any sacrifice or paying a real price. That is cowardice. Some men are like this too of course.

Yet at the same time I find it strange how impulsive and childish some women are. They won't take a chance or dare on certain aspects, yet they'll make a very stupid decision on something else, without forethought.

One of the most troubling things I hear constantly from past female "friends" and family members would be "but what can he provide or offer you?" when mentioning a man one is interested in. I find this truly disgusting. And that's part of where we learn this, this excuse to be taken care of. I know some men on this forum believe women want and need to be taken care of, but I don't know. It's funny how many supposedly strong and seemingly aggressive men I've known (who give that impression) turn out to be so ultra-sensitive and perhaps even come across to women as "needy" because we've been taught that only women can make demands. Not that this is a bad thing at all; sensitivity is good. It's just strange how sometimes we take things at face value and give more value to women, because we think they are "better" than men due to the facades they project.

The problem is that women take themselves too seriously, but they aren't even serious to begin with. Besides always thinking of themselves, they at times seem to think that they are more worthy or important, and that they demand "special" care, which is where their tendency to read too much into signs and signals also come from, i.e. self-preservation taken too far.

As a female, I do admit that males have more worth as a whole overall, and have more potential than women. Women strike me as weak, ineffectual beings. Nothing meaningful has ever come out of even ONE relationship with any woman I've known. I learned much more from having a close relationship to my father. My mother remains the same person she always was, never having learned lessons from anything. It's sad. And the victim mentality is always there, always victims, women, always.



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PostSubject: Re: Depression East/West Thu Jan 17, 2013 7:03 pm

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But I am mean spirited towards the superficial yuppies and feminists I've encountered there, who slander the whole thing, westernize it even more. Strip it of everything meaningful, traditional. It's turning fascist in my opinion. Some elitism with no foundation.

I had some neighbours like that. Weekend Buddhists. They made $100,000.00 a year and had a yacht, nice house; ate too much, ate meat excessively too, which didn't make sense at all. They were nice people, but had the same mentality as every other American, when I lived in the USA.

I think true Buddhism, in its native origin, has a certain purity; but can a westerner ever really grasp a religion foreign to him/her? It's not like language, where one must actually not only think in a foreign language, but become immersed in it, and actually THINK like a person from its respective culture. When I switch from English to another language, I do feel that I actually think in another language, even symbolically, and even the little nuances. It's strange to explain but I think most people who speak different languages understand.

But religion...like Buddhism...I don't know. I've tried dabbling in such, and it never really clicked for some reason.
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PostSubject: Re: Depression East/West Thu Jan 17, 2013 7:12 pm

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Buddhism is aryan. It is very noble. But it says: No, instead of yes.

No, to what?


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PostSubject: Re: Depression East/West Thu Jan 17, 2013 7:12 pm

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Tone of desperation there. LOL

What a prissy female. So stuffy, hypocritical... you know you are attracted to them, openly confessed as much on PN; you wanted to cook and clean for satyr and wash his clothes, and purple dragon, you could not resist him despite your 'resolutions', lol, just let it out. You know you are sorry, just say it.

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If you felt truly comfortable with your womanliness you would not be "shouting" or posting pictures, to convince.
You just don't get it.

That's right. I want you to show me all abt. what it is to be a woman.
Tell me all about how womanliness is about being uptight denying those tingling feelings underneath when you meet a real man, how his aggressive free-spirit makes you wet and and attracted, and then ashamed that you're unable to act on it. Tell me all about how womanliness is about posing like a sophisticated intellect regurgitating the last man you heard, offering a couple of opinions here and there to show what a free-thinking individual you are, when all your itching for is a f---.
Tell me about the modern woman.
Didn't you say you loved Satyr's sensual prose, his soft side, but then he looked like a monster to you?
Didn't you enjoy the Dragon's soft-erotic prose, but then you called him a woman-hater, didn't you?
Would you go out on a date with either of them?

I loathe women like you, who make beautiful men doubt themselves...  women like you make my blood boil.

Tell me all about self-hatred.


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Its about respect. A man has to respect a woman, without it no relationship will hold together. If you are a doormat, then he will see you as a doormat, you are acting like a doormat.

One feels pride in wanting to deserve a man's respect.
Being a woman means to always love more than you are loved.
Being a man means to "love no one, except the friend." - Peleus' advice to his son Achilles.

Love, respect, tenderness, affection, can/should only emerge as by-products of living-well, and living well is loving oneself well. There is no "has to"...

A real man possesses the spirit of a child; he wishes to see everything as His plaything. A woman is nothing more. A more sophisticated woman is a more sophisticated recreation. She has no other purpose than to serve, recreate him, re-create him. The more bolder a man, the more delight he takes in playing, in exploiting, in using to his own ends, enjoying, experimenting how much schadenfroh he can derive from dominating, inflicting torment and boldly watching another suffer without feeling guilty, without feeling ashamed, without buckling down under his own weight... a good heart that is not over-ruled by virtues, but he rules over his virtus.

Imagine such a child, to whom the whole world appears as nothing more than a plaything. How could he not want to dominate, excel, be first? Imagine the modern disease, the system that tells him he can't play, he can't be a full man, that he must Respect others. Can there be a more heartaching sight than that of a child not allowed to play...
Its tragic, that today, all men have become dwarfs. They don't even know how to enjoy themselves, how to Rule without feeling bad. The Art of Ruling, knowing how to dominate - is becoming a vanishing art.
Man doubts himself. He questions himself if he has a "right to..."....
Whose answer is he waiting for? What is conscience but the common voice of the herd...
He can't even say shut up for fear she'll walk away... He has to show respect.
He can't say how much he dislikes her without being called a rapist.
He can't even tell public professors, your chazwyman, they are turds teaching misinfo to kids... He has to show civility and decorum.
Women like you demanding equal standards, are the Worst. You pussify men. aisshhhh

A woman's highest honour is in being used up well. One is grateful for being of service to a great soul, of being 'a Doormat to a Real Man' ; )
His using Her is an honour in itself for however long the 'relationship holds'. Life is not about Duration, but Intensity. Not 'how long' a relation can hold together, but 'how deeply' one fills it, given just a moment even.
A real woman suffers not finding a worthy man to serve.
Submission, surrender... is indescribably fulfilling...
I pity any woman who doesn't know this joy.

'"Has To" respect'... LOL
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A woman is the bride or the muse in her basic tripartite structure,  - the maiden, the mother, and the hag. There are nymphs/sirens, there are queens, there are crones...

The more profound a man, the more in need he is of the first to cool his pressure from building and bursting him, who give him respite, they are a blessing to his sufferings, they quench his thirst and soothe him, they keep him from burning out and keep the flame alive in him, they inspire him and fill his heart; the second to build his pressure with their nonchalance and in/sensitivity, they spare him no slack, no significance; they get him to move - these were indispensable during medieval war times when it took women to taunt men to wars and duels, to establish standards of honour,, they demanded significance from him, they were catalysts, they aroused him from his slumber - they taunted and demanded he come back as a Hero or just Die; the third to transform his pressure to something beyond himself, into beauty and enduring riches... they are magical monsters; charred coals become pristine, become diamonds in the lap of the singing black earth.. and when the crone spoke to a pauper, his philosophy could take the form of poetry and poetry philosophy... depending on how one holds them, they add dimensions and augment him into something beyond himself. N. describes this inert pluto-nic transformaton in a passage:
"The slow arrow of beauty. The most noble kind of beauty is that which does not carry us away suddenly, whose attacks are not violent or intoxicating (this kind easily awakens disgust), but rather the kind of beauty which infiltrates slowly, which we carry along with us almost unnoticed, and meet up with again in dreams; finally, after it has for a long time lain modestly in our heart, it takes complete possession of us, filling our eyes with tears, our hearts with longing. What do we long for when we see beauty? To be beautiful. We think much happiness must be connected with it. But that is an error."

A profound woman would know when to be what; and a profound man, when he needs what, and when to use whom.


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I would advise you to do that as you are way out of your depth and quickly becoming boring.

Thank you for noticing; I thought my exasperating efforts were all going to waste.
My plan is to get into the dungeon, have some unfinished business... but I can't just go there. I have to earn it. I have to be kicked.
Its why I don't have an avatar pic. either.
Its easy to be "loud" and flaunt a personality, but I told myself the day I joined here, even if these gentlemen brought me in as Homoloi, I'm not going to abuse it. I set a certain target to reach. I want to Earn my Avatar!
I want to Earn my Disgrace!!!! Nothing less will do.


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Better still, await Saytr's instructions and then post me,

So jealous you are, that you have no one to serve.

I'll follow them to the dot.


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as you don't have a single original thought to contribute.

I Am the original thought I contribute to you, and one and all.
Read me, enjoy me, think me,...

Some women sacrifice their individuality to nurture their rich inner world, their womb and soul, to let their sons do the talking, to bring strong men into this world and let them contribute original thoughts.

I choose to let the world, let life, judge me, and who I am, by the kind of sons I raise and give to them.

A woman has no more purpose than the bringing about of a child that is as Intact as her husband. She takes him in, adds her wisdom and tries to re  presenCe him again.

She speaks through the man she selects. He is her voice, and she is his language.

After N., what do "I" matter? Only my work matters.

Likewise. What do You matter?! Say sorry to them both.

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PostSubject: Re: Depression East/West Thu Jan 17, 2013 7:37 pm

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A real woman suffers not finding a worthy man to serve.

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PostSubject: Re: Depression East/West Thu Jan 17, 2013 8:11 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Depression East/West Thu Jan 17, 2013 8:55 pm

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The more bolder a man, the more delight he takes in playing, in exploiting, in using to his own ends, enjoying, experimenting how much schadenfroh he can derive from dominating, inflicting torment and boldly watching another suffer without feeling guilty, without feeling ashamed, without buckling down under his own weight...

"Such people like Napoleon must come back again and again to consolidate the self-aggrandisement of the individual: he himself was being corrupted by the means he had to use and had lost the noblesse of his character. Prevailing amongst a different kind of people, he could have used different means; and it wouldn't be necessary, that a Caesar has to become bad." (Nietzsche, diary 1880's my translation)
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PostSubject: Re: Depression East/West Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:42 pm

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Buddhism is aryan. It is very noble. But it says: No, instead of yes.

No, to what?


There are two types of Nihilism. One towards the absolute void. Nothingness. That's found in tibetan Buddhism. And one towards the absolute Somethingness. A God, the State, a Leader.

I must add that I experienced some indian Meditation (Hinduism) before my experience with tibetan Buddhism. So in the tibetan Sangha, I never paid much attention to the actual teachings, I just wanted to learn to meditate. (The Hindu sangha was too advanced for beginners.) Now my interest in India is awakened a new.

I am not a scholar to evaluate original Buddhism though. It is rooted in Brahmanism. But it also brought some modern tones in already. No castes. Every being has Buddha nature. All the Goddesses or female elements that are worshipped in indian Religions are stripped away. It's very male actually. Very dry. Heraclitus and Buddha are often compared.
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PostSubject: Re: Depression East/West Fri Jan 18, 2013 9:16 pm

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Buddhism is aryan. It is very noble. But it says: No, instead of yes.

No, to what?


There are two types of Nihilism. One towards the absolute void. Nothingness. That's found in tibetan Buddhism. And one towards the absolute Somethingness. A God, the State, a Leader.

I must add that I experienced some indian Meditation (Hinduism) before my experience with tibetan Buddhism. So in the tibetan Sangha, I never paid much attention to the actual teachings, I just wanted to learn to meditate. (The Hindu sangha was too advanced for beginners.) Now my interest in India is awakened a new.

I am not a scholar to evaluate original Buddhism though. It is rooted in Brahmanism. But it also brought some modern tones in already. No castes. Every being has Buddha nature. All the Goddesses or female elements that are worshipped in indian Religions are stripped away. It's very male actually. Very dry. Heraclitus and Buddha are often compared.


Aryan Buddhism doesn't teach anything of the sort. I think one stop at Kathodos should have been enough.
Evola's Doctrine of Awakening is excellent.

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PostSubject: Re: Depression East/West Fri Jan 18, 2013 9:26 pm

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The more bolder a man, the more delight he takes in playing, in exploiting, in using to his own ends, enjoying, experimenting how much schadenfroh he can derive from dominating, inflicting torment and boldly watching another suffer without feeling guilty, without feeling ashamed, without buckling down under his own weight...

"Such people like Napoleon must come back again and again to consolidate the self-aggrandisement of the individual: he himself was being corrupted by the means he had to use and had lost the noblesse of his character. Prevailing amongst a different kind of people, he could have used different means; and it wouldn't be necessary, that a Caesar has to become bad." (Nietzsche, diary 1880's my translation)


Yes. N. deplored he had misunderstood himself.

"What Belongs to Greatness. Who can attain to anything great if he does not feel in himself the force and will to inflict great pain? The ability to suffer is a small matter - weak women and even slaves can acheive virtuosity in that. But not to perish from internal distress and doubt when one inflicts great suffering and hears the cry of suffering : that is great, that belongs to greatness." [Joyful Wisdom, 325]


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PostSubject: Re: Depression East/West Fri Jan 18, 2013 9:27 pm

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By Zeus, Lyssa, what a fantastic portrayal.


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Might I suggest some avatars for your choosing?

You're always the gentleman; thank you for giving me  a skin to wear. Its kind of you to have taken the trouble.
The images are cute and lovely. I liked three in all.
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A real woman suffers not finding a worthy man to serve.

So true.

I find the notion of immediate self-gratifications, in self-indulgence, base, vulgar... a higher woman would rather enjoy Herself in another, through another.
It is protracted self-love, not a kenosis.

Love is unhesitant strength.

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PostSubject: Re: Depression East/West Fri Jan 18, 2013 10:01 pm

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Aryan Buddhism doesn't teach anything of the sort. I think one stop at Kathodos should have been enough.
Evola's Doctrine of Awakening is excellent.

Of what sort? I didn't mention anything Buddhism "teaches".

I think "Buddhism" developed later, it was made up by Buddha followers. A cult like Christianity. Around this extraordinary being and philosopher, who didn't teach anything, but more like in a Satsang: He answered questions. I go by the original Sutras. I don't need Evola to chew that for me so I can better digest it.
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Submissive is a dirty word in our society and to be brave enough to admit to it, leaves a woman wide open to accusations of being less than intelligent or seen in a sexual way. I don't see a man needing to be dominant, a strong man does not need this, a woman will follow as her intuition dictates. What joy it is to respect, with dutiful deference the love of a man of this kind. We may differ Lyssa, somewhat in our perceptions, as I don't view it as passively as you have portrayed. To me, it is respect and reverence. Women have the lost the art of class and feminity, it is a perverse rejection of who we (women) are. I am not a woman who will reject her friends, not go out, stay at home and wait, hoping he will call, turning into a lost, sad and sorry case, accepting the remnants of his attentions, I don't think any man wants a woman who is a liability, be it it materialistic or emotional.


I won't engage with you in a personal attack, as I am not opposing, as you seem to want me to. Why would I disagree. I grew up this way. I was taught this way. My mother sitting on the edge of her chair at the table during meals, ready for any request my father had. I was aware from an early age men are the "deciders" and women follow. I learned that from my mother, who was a strong and insightful woman and who obviously loved my father. I remember the flush of joy on her face when he looked at her with his "approving and loving" expression. That secret glance between a man and woman, that did not go unnoticed by the little girl sitting, momentarily forgotten.


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PostSubject: Re: Depression East/West Sat Jan 19, 2013 8:01 am

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Submissive is a dirty word in our society and to be brave enough to admit to it, leaves a woman wide open to accusations of being less than intelligent or seen in a sexual way.

Everything concerning sex, was seen as "dirty" after Freud. That's partly why the "1968 sexual liberation" occured, as a reaction to that. Of course it therefor went to the other extreme in it's "natural" view of sex and became animalistic.

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"So, do you want more eggs or should you just fuck on the linoleum"

This quote is from a more recent time. It doesn't know which way to go. The 1950's romanticism had something false to it. Something pretentious. 1968 turned out to be a disaster. After that the confusion was complete. Thankfully some academics like Foucault tried a history of sex. Sex is overrated. It's provacative or shocking modern displays bore me to death. Erotic got lost.

Erotic IS interesting, was interesting and always will be the only thing interesting about sexuality. I just watched the disturbing movie: Revolutionary Road that Lyssa posted in Cinamatic Masterpieces. It's excellent.

To me it poses exactly the right question: are women submissive by "nature" to one strong man? Or is some of that feminist individualist more masculine "spirit" more true?
The women on here display both. And the women I know as well. It's a struggle I recognize. They are so empowered by society, that they have to pull themselves back constantly, to let the man be a man, show their availability. But when I overhear "girls talk", when they are amongst themselves, without men: It's "Sex and the City". Worse than guys. Macho women.

I thought the movie had some feminist tones as well in it. Womens liberation. It played in the 50's before most of that happened. I also watched the show "Mad Men", which also deals with this.
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PostSubject: Re: Depression East/West Sat Jan 19, 2013 7:59 pm

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Aryan Buddhism doesn't teach anything of the sort. I think one stop at Kathodos should have been enough.
Evola's Doctrine of Awakening is excellent.

Of what sort? I didn't mention anything Buddhism "teaches".

I think "Buddhism" developed later, it was made up by Buddha followers. A cult like Christianity. Around this extraordinary being and philosopher, who didn't teach anything, but more like in a Satsang: He answered questions.

Twerp, don't obfuscate; you said real Buddhism says No, which you stated involved the two kinds of Nihilism.

I'm saying real Buddhism doesn't teach either path - abs. godhead or emptiness of the void. Only self-domination, self-deification.



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PostSubject: Re: Depression East/West Sat Jan 19, 2013 8:00 pm

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Submissive is a dirty word in our society and to be brave enough to admit to it, leaves a woman wide open to accusations of being less than intelligent or seen in a sexual way.

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We may differ Lyssa, somewhat in our perceptions, as I don't view it as passively as you have portrayed.  To me, it is respect and reverence.  Women have the lost the art of class and feminity, it is a perverse rejection of who we (women) are.  I am not a woman who will reject her friends, not go out, stay at home and wait, hoping he will call, turning into a lost, sad and sorry case, accepting the remnants of his attentions, I don't think any man wants a woman who is a liability, be it it materialistic or emotional.

Passive? [chuckles...!!]

"You can't lean on something unless it resists." [Stendhal]

A submissive woman is like Bamboo. Flexibility comes from Resilience.
"The Bamboo bends, it flexes, nearly touches the floor, but never breaks. It resists the storms, the strongest winds. Yet, it keeps its delicate structure."
It has enough firmness to offer endurance, and enough suppleness to offer flexibility; why it is so widely revered in Asia as a spiritual symbol.
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A fine woman is a giver; that is her pride. Imagine sitting and calculating who owes whom how much love and respect?!
What could be more insulting?
A strong woman has self-reverence from within. Her source of shame should be in not being able to give enough and more to another.

'Lonely and waiting for phonecalls and liability'...  confused  you only lose what you cling to?

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I won't engage with you in a personal attack,

But I want to engage with you in a Very Personal attack. How feminine of me.
I would have you no other way. Don't be shy ; )

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as I am not opposing, as you seem to want me to.

Mirrors and smokescreens; you remain a hypocrite.
Apologize to my friends.

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Why would I disagree.  I grew up this way.  I was taught this way.  My mother sitting on the edge of her chair at the table during meals, ready for any request my father had.  I was aware from an early age men are the "deciders" and women follow.  I learned that from my mother, who was a  strong and insightful woman and who obviously loved my father.  I remember the flush of joy on her face when he looked at her with his "approving and loving" expression.  That secret glance between a man and woman, that did not go unnoticed by the little girl sitting, momentarily forgotten.

Sweet. Now tell me about your divorce.

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“Such physica/sexual matters are nice, yet, intelligence and passion born of living, the ability to move and be moved by subtleties of the mind and spirit, are what really counts.”
This is my mantra. I know no other way.

No mind/body/heart/spirit/soul/self separations. Nothing counts more than the other. You are there Wholeseomely for someone or you are not.

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"So, do you want more eggs or should you just fuck on the linoleum"   Huh?..... whadda ya say, Lyss, huh    LOL

Yea, that's the attitude! lol
How about I f--- him and then give him eggs or f--- him feeding him eggs or feed him eggs then f--- him or orrrr... you know, like WHATEVER HE WANTS!!!?!!! However he wants!!!?!

I'm His Woman!

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I'll do anything you ask me to
And if you want another kind of love
I'll wear a mask for you
If you want a partner
Take my hand
Or if you want to strike me down in anger
Here I stand
I'm your woman

Or I'd crawl to you baby
And I'd fall at your feet
And I'd howl at your beauty
Like a dog in heat
And I'd claw at your heart
And I'd tear at your sheet
I'd say please, please
I'm your woman

And if you've got to sleep
A moment on the road
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And if you want to work the street alone
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Or only want to walk with me a while
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PostSubject: Re: Depression East/West Sat Jan 19, 2013 9:49 pm

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I'm saying real Buddhism doesn't teach either path - abs. godhead or emptiness of the void. Only self-domination, self-deification.

And I am saying there is no real Buddhism. Like there is no real Christianity. It's a cult invented by followers of these great men: Buddha and Jesus. (Buddha and Jesus didn't invent these cults.) Buddhism is whatever it is to you. I am not a Buddhist. I study the original Buddhist sutras. That's it.

I am not a Buddhologist either like the webmaster of kathodos, though I agree with his evaluation for the most part.
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The images are cute and lovely. I liked three in all

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4. is close to me...... this is so hilarious.


Are you for real lady, we all know you have two kids and live in a council flat. Spend all your time alone, with your "books" no man in sight. Well you can always masturbate. I forgot Catholics don't do that do they, or say f....ck. You are a dead give away. Geez I hope the kids are not boys.

How's the weather over there, wet and windy. but not wild. Your so desperate to "catch" a man, it makes me cringe.


Sad Sack, stop lying about who you are and asking for your "friends" support on this forum.


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PostSubject: Re: Depression East/West Sun Jan 20, 2013 8:03 pm

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Everything concerning sex, was seen as "dirty" after Freud. That's partly why the "1968 sexual liberation" occured, as a reaction to that. Of course it therefor went to the other extreme in it's "natural" view of sex and became animalistic.
This quote is from a more recent time. It doesn't know which way to go. The 1950's romanticism had something false to it. Something pretentious. 1968 turned out to be a disaster. After that the confusion was complete. Thankfully some academics like Foucault tried a history of sex. Sex is overrated. It's provacative or shocking modern displays bore me to death. Erotic got lost.


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PostSubject: Re: Depression East/West Sun Jan 20, 2013 8:03 pm

I say, Personal Attack, and you Oblige me. See. This is how a strong woman expresses herself; she doesn't become diminished because she obeys and obeys blindly. She Bends. This is what I'm talking about  tongue

reasonvemotion wrote:
The images are cute and lovely. I liked three in all

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4. is close to me......   this is so hilarious.  

What? She can't remind me of my dead sister, a senti. pic., an image "close" to my heart? tut tut tut hasty...
Luckily, I'm an orphan, and 4. Is in the sense you took it for and in the sense I meant it - have a similar shot.
If you are fishing for a picture, 'should just come out and ask. Ask for it.
And I might give it to you if you give an apology to the two.
Am I bluffing, sweets?
Would you dare call my bluff? Would you sell your soul for a piece of knowledge? Would you let yourself darken a little? Would you be a female faustes? Would you Rev it up,  rev? huh? Show me how hilarious you found it.
Bend.

Go to the dungeon and say sorry to dragon and satyr. Announce your Apology on PN also.


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Are you for real lady, we all know you have two kids and live in a council flat.   Spend all your time alone, with your "books" no man in sight.

Is that your dream? Living in a rich home with no kids from a man who defined your self-esteem with his reptilian reactions? "Business Acumen" wasn't it? Did you use him well, did you sweat out his money muscle, did you get his respect, while he f---ed you to your heart's content? Was it satisfying?  A rich alimony to live by... and echoes of a few memories of your father and mother sharing intimate glances over the table. Hilarious.  Wink


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Well you can always masturbate.  I forgot Catholics don't do that do they, or say f....ck.   You are a dead give away.  Geez I hope the kids are not boys.

wow, so mean. Mean people suck!
Nice people swallow. ; ) I'm a catholick.

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How's the weather over there, wet and windy. but not wild.  Your so desperate to "catch" a man, it makes me cringe.
Sad Sack, stop lying about who you are and asking for your "friends" support on this forum.

Hmmm, are you sure you are even a Lady?... so prudish.. so stiffff...
Confucius say: Boy who go to sleep with stiff problem wake up with solution in hand.  LOLzz

It'll come to you, Mr. Ben Dover. Don't worry your pretty head too much.

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I have a song for you too.

Power through association... mmm... lets try. Rev. says Strong-Tight. I say Strong-Stoop. Rev. says we are so similar, how alike we are, LOL
I like the acrobatics; you're one talented babe for a 40 yr. old!! lol

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PostSubject: Re: Depression East/West Sun Jan 20, 2013 8:03 pm

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Lyssa wrote:

I'm saying real Buddhism doesn't teach either path - abs. godhead or emptiness of the void. Only self-domination, self-deification.

And I am saying there is no real Buddhism.

You are saying that Now! after our exchanges; your initial statement was
"Buddhism is aryan. It is very noble. But it says: No, instead of yes. That is the problem."

Don't waste my time.

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PostSubject: Re: Depression East/West Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:17 pm






You are really lowering yourself Satyr answering these posts.


You thought it went unnoticed.........






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PostSubject: Re: Depression East/West Mon Jan 21, 2013 3:01 am

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What is your ideal of the Feminine?

For Pisces it is: Aries, Aquarius or Libra
(For Scorpio: Gemini or Capricorn)


So Aries brings the missing activity to Pisces. "Getting started".
Aquarius brings creativity, ideas, some more practicality.
Libra brings lightness.

I don't know exactly what Pisces brings to these in return, so that they match.
For Aries it may be something to calm down. They (Aries) sense that and are attracted.
For Aquarius it is this looking up, to even more depth, as a source for their inspiration.
And Libra is so light that they can deal with the formlessness of pisces, which is tough.

(Gemini helps Scorpio to express themselves more lightly/friendly. Capricorn gives a direction in life. Order. Work. Family. Money. Some practical role model as well as competitive challenger. Scorpio might help Gemini in return to some more depth, courage and sex. And Capricorn to some sex and relaxation, taking life a little more easy.)

It is "Like cures like". Not complete opposites that form good couples. And there are some similarities that are destructive like Scorpio and Pisces would be (water and water). Or Sigittarius and Leo (fire and fire). Then there are opposites that wouldn't go well either like Virgo and Pisces. Or Scorpio and Taurus. There is so much confusion about this since Astrology has become mainstream, but with the bold marked above, you can work. It's by Nicolaus Klein a German Astrologer.

Scorpio is very fearless which is good. Many other signs fear Pisces. Scorpio doesn't. I like that. So aside from mating/partnership there are always plenty of other ways to learn from and interact with the different star signs.
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PostSubject: Re: Depression East/West Mon Jan 21, 2013 6:57 am

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Lyssa wrote:

What is your ideal of the Feminine?

[b]For Pisces it is:

Such nervous obfuscations.

You wrote a post [now deleted I guess] about how you disagree with the idea of submissive women. Do you find it squeamish to give orders to someone? I'm asking you to define your ideal of the Feminine. Not interested in the opinion of some second rate astrological writers.
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PostSubject: Re: Depression East/West Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:06 am

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You are really lowering yourself Satyr answering these posts.
You thought it went unnoticed.........
Unnoticed?
What posts do you disapprove of where I responded and shouldn't have?
Have I been knocked-off a pedestal?

You participated, and still do, in PhilosophyNow Forum populated by blowhards, morons, and pretentious dumb-asses...do you think THAT went unnoticed?

What's the matter is Lyssa too much for you?

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PostSubject: Re: Depression East/West Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:24 am

I started studying the MRM (mens rights movement) in about late summer/early fall of 2011. I studied them until I discovered Manhood Academy and later Satyr, who in their ways also dealt with that, in December 2011 and spring 2012.

So in 2011, I mainly listened to Pinegrove33's videos, Barbarossaaaa and later Girlwriteswhat. And I read the sites: Avoiceformen and little later MGTOW Forums.

So I know what the MRM is all about.

I just very recently started researching and reading some New Right and Traditionalism articles on Counter-Currents. And where I was very opposed to the MRM (especially avoiceformen and Paul Elam) and their liberal mindset early 2012, I am now beginning to realize that Paul is right. I still don't agree with his over the top political Egalitarianism. (I was a classical liberal back then, i.e. libertarian conservative, as I am still for the most part.) Here are some quotes from two more recent articles that might sum up the position, I got from him and his sidekick JohnTheOther back then:

"What’s worse is that within some traditionalist or conservative religious communities – female surrender of adult agency, and the transference of any possible responsibility, choice, and agency onto a man is praised by men and women within those communities. Unfortunately, this model of female non agency, and male hyper agency, when coupled with social enforcement of conformity and expressed masculine protective instinct turns men into slaves."

"A woman who surrenders her agency to a man is the very worst tyrant, because she exploits his instinct to protect her as if she is an infant while retaining her."

"What’s worse is that in a community in which feminine surrendered agency is viewed positively, men trapped in such relationship have no way to protest, since such protest is seen as victimization of the most helpless – the women whose social posture is that of a volition free child. Such a man, attempting to assert himself as a human with his own needs – he will forced back into his role of protector through social censure, including violence from other complying males. In fact, his identity as a human being of any social worth at all is totally tied to his conformance to be the actuator and the active agent of whatever his wife needs or wants. If her submission to his is more pronounced, she might not even communicate what her needs are, and he is left with a social requirement to figure out what she wants, with his validity as a worthwhile human hanging on getting it right, and always the threat of violence done to his person by other males if he ever deviates – because in this model, self expression, self actualization in any mode except service to his woman is perceived as attack on her. And brother, you don’t attack a woman."

"And here’s the kicker, he cant even see it. A man given primacy in this social context – in which he is placed over his wife – and she is totally subservient to him – he cannot develop the social cognizance to even understand how he is both exploited and threatened at the level of eradication of his male identity in any deviation of his behavior. He is effectively blinded and silenced, because in this system of value – where he is the patriarch, and assigned agency over himself and his wife. His socialization does not include self reflection. He is enslaved in his own mind.

And his wife, subservient, without her own visible agency or exercised volition – she owns him, and owns no accountability. This is power, without any check, or thwart, hidden from those it controls expressed behind a veil of helplessness.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how Patriarchy works."

"Women, for their part did not chose this behavioral model, this is the natural expression of our prehistoric hominid programming. This programming served our species very well when we averaged a 30 year life-span, regularly died of starvation, or during childbirth, and when the dark was full of predators, giving us a real reason for our fear of it. This primitive hominid programming, when its still being expressed in a modern environment of abundant food, shelter and safety doesn’t serve us quite so well anymore – and is being exacerbated and amplified in the form of a modern popular ideology of gender. You know, the one starting with F."

"But here is the real definition of patriarchy – this is the operational definition that has always been relevant, but has been until now hidden behind the muddy thinking and self-serving dogma of infantalized adults with the power of not just communities of compliant males behind them, but the full deadly remote control power of violence of the modern state.

Patriarchy is a system of social cohesion which uses masculine agency, exploiting adult protective instincts towards infants to serve the reproductive benefits of females. This system is based on the masculine instinct to protect women, and maximizes the perception of male agency in service of this goal."

The MRM may in fact be male Feminism, but then again, was Womens Lib all socially engineered and false/unnatural?

"To me, the ideal mate is someone who you actually want to talk with."

"My sense of humor ranges from the very goofy to the very dry, and I prefer the company of women who can keep up."

"Fitness and vibrant good health are also important."

"Complementary interests are also important."

"There are other women I’m in love with, and all of them have extraordinary interests."

"Even more ironically, modern day feminism traces its roots to Islamic culture. In brief, here’s how: Minstrels accompanying the Christian Crusaders returned with Muslim stories, like The Arabian Nights. Remember Shahrazad? Christian culture at that time did not put women on a pedestal, but Islamic idealism did, in theory though not in practice."

Source articles on Avoiceformendotcom, a site I should visit and study again more often, even as to counterbalance to Counter-Currents.

I am more modern than traditionalists. Jonathan Bowden is my link to the New Right. Nietzsche. Evola maybe. But not Guenon, not Spengler. I don't praise the past above all. And that we come from a state of order and going towards entropy alone. There are some progresses. Real progresses. Womens Lib was one of them, till it turned out of hand and into misandry and a main contributing factor to the Feminization of Mankind. I love real strong women. That stand behind their man, but also have their own individuality.
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PostSubject: Re: Depression East/West Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:56 am

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"A woman who surrenders her agency to a man is the very worst tyrant, because she exploits his instinct to protect her as if she is an infant while retaining her."
Using this logic a dog who surrenders its agency to a master, a human, is also a "tyrant."

What a sweet tyranny that will be, to be responsible for your own means.

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PostSubject: Re: Depression East/West Mon Jan 21, 2013 12:29 pm

The government owns the dog (woman). Men are just allowed to take it for a walk. And if she complains and wants a divorce, He has to pay. Alimony, child support and gets to see the children only at her will. So WHO is in charge? Plus the women are more suitable for most of todays workplaces (communication skills), since physical work was replaced by machines (mostly) and not all men can be engineers, making the big bucks, overlooking the work processes. So I don't want a traditionalist woman TODAY. In todays world. Not that I don't like the tradionalist ideas as ideals, but they're not viable for todays world, as I perceive it. I can't afford a traditionalist woman.

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PostSubject: Re: Depression East/West Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:27 pm

If the dog is leased or not is another matter.

One more time, since you are so fond of MRA;'s and of remaining a man-child:

A man has a cow.
He feeds her, protects her from wolves, cares for her, and milks her.

Does the cow tyrannize the man?

If some can be dominated by a pet, allowing ti to shit on the carpet, sleep in their bed and eat at their table, because it has big round eyes, floppy ears and a cute round head, does this mean all men are dominated as such?
What you cannot afford is the price for being a man...even if this means being alone.

And so here you are, a caricature of a male: a half-wit...a fool proud of his own foolishness; flaunting it like a badge of honor...a weakling talking of Space Kings in Scientological fairy-tales, and admiring a charlatan who's greatest accomplishment was seducing imbeciles.

You are a religious sort...and here you are looking for a priest to tell you how to live the "good life."

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PostSubject: Re: Depression East/West Mon Jan 21, 2013 3:54 pm

Actually I was adressing Lyssa not you. She asked me, what my feminine ideal is. So giving the "pet" an adjective is already part of the feminization, I guess. But I played along. Women are women. But still they present memes. I am not your follower, you should realize that by now. There are plenty of issues that would need further discussion. "The Feminization of Mankind" is a viable simplification. Little more academic than the Manhood Academy Manual. But not different. A lot of PUAs offer the same "advice" you do, IF I was searching for a guru, which I am not.

I am a religious sort, which is my fundamental connection to the New Right and Traditionalism.

So Lyssa asked me about my ideal woman and it is not the kind that is so popularized by the "Twilight"-Saga and the new "50 Shades of Grey" ("Story of O."). The female masochist. Just because this is the prevalant kind of cow out there, doesn't mean it has to be my favorite sort of cow. I rather stay alone than be with this sort of female, just as well as the feminist kind. (I cannot entertain a pet all the time, that doesn't have any own interests.)

I think your dog/cow/pet analogies aren't meant just as analogies, but this is the picture you have of women in general, which is in line with this female masochist, that is now so popularized, most recently by "50 Shades of Grey", which will be made into a movie or more. I actually think that women have a spirit of their own, and are not just there to be "milked" (fucked) or can only "shit on the carpet" (make a mess of everything in a mans life). My romantic ideal is, that women aren't just animals. Maybe it is naive. Maybe this is were my religion comes in. I see myself as a spirit too, not just a body. A spirit in a body. Which is not Darwinian, I know, but so are large parts of the new right. I don't deny Darwinism either for the mere bodily evolution.


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PostSubject: Re: Depression East/West Mon Jan 21, 2013 3:59 pm

Who said I sought followers?
Who said I offer advice?

If the analogy of the cow and dog are distasteful, as they would be for any romantic, then know that women of quality are rare...just as rare as men of quality are.

What was that quote from the 300 movie?
"Only Spartan women give birth to men."

I bet your momma was Athenian, or some eastern variant.

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PostSubject: Re: Depression East/West Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:02 pm

My mother is actually pretty great. I am searching for a woman very much like her.
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PostSubject: Re: Depression East/West Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:07 pm

I know she was.
What else could she have been?

Kriswest is someone you would like.
Very motherly.
She's on ILP.

See, a man wants a mate, not a mother.
But what would anyone expect from someone who considers Scientology a source of wisdom and who insists on thinking of Satyr as a guru?
The brown cow Mags is another alternative.
She calls us a cult.

She's very close with Smears the pot-head...who is supposedly living in practice what we theorize about.
Whatever that is.
Nothing like listening to someone addicted to chemical contentment talking about how wonderful his life is.
What exactly are we proposing?
Need...suffering....struggle?

If you are in need of a master, to be a bitch to, then why not look ILP?
A female master is rare, but not impossible to find.

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PostSubject: Re: Depression East/West Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:19 pm

I think this whole master/slave thing might be off. And I said someone very much LIKE my mother and that you are NOT a guru to me.
Details. I don't look for a girlfriend online. I know enough women. It's a matter of giving in. A matter of weakness, so far I have been able to resist the messy pets. So a mother: no. A female master: no. But: a female who masters her own life and is not only WILLING to but actually pays for her own half.

Like Tom Leykis, I search a feminist. An actual feminist, who REALLY believes in being equal to men and not just picks out the parts she likes and still expects chivalry and all the female-benefits anyway. A pretty tough woman. Aries. Or someone more light, Libra. Or a creative Aquarius-woman. Those would be good matches for me.

Are we actually talking about women? I can't believe this shit is happening. I feel like in high-school all over again. Funny.
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PostSubject: Re: Depression East/West Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:45 pm

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An actual feminist, who REALLY believes in being equal to men

Do you REALLY believe women are equal to men? If NOT, then why would you want a woman who believes she's equal to man?

Most men and women aren't even capable of marriage or properly raising a child... Hell, most men and women aren't even dedicated enough to keep up their mutual feeling of "love", their ideal...Most of the time, "love" is just a means to re-enter conditions of domestication... Intense feelings are almost never taken to fruition. Most men and women can't even love like Romeo and Juliet, let alone love like this:



" But even your best love is only an enraptured simile and a painful ardour. It is a torch to light you to loftier paths.

Beyond yourselves shall ye love some day! Then learn first of all to love. And on that account ye had to drink the bitter cup of your love.

Bitterness is in the cup even of the best love; thus doth it cause longing for the Superman; thus doth it cause thirst in thee, the creating one!

Thirst in the creating one, arrow and longing for the Superman: tell me, my brother, is this thy will to marriage?

Holy call I such a will, and such a marriage.—

Thus spake Zarathustra."
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PostSubject: Re: Depression East/West Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:51 pm

This "really believes in being equal to men" is where your emasculation comes in loud and clear.

Let's talk about something more important:
L. Ron Hubbard.

What level douche-bag was he?
Nothing is parted quicker than a fool and his money.

So proud, you are, of being both a fool and feminine.
Congratulation, you've reached the 7th tier of lucidity...next stop:
Oblivion.

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PostSubject: Re: Depression East/West Mon Jan 21, 2013 5:16 pm

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I think this whole master/slave thing might be off. And I said someone very much LIKE my mother and that you are NOT a guru to me.
Details. I don't look for a girlfriend online. I know enough women. It's a matter of giving in. A matter of weakness, so far I have been able to resist the messy pets. So a mother: no. A female master: no. But: a female who masters her own life and is not only WILLING to but actually pays for her own half.


Fuck. This is amazing.......... thank God you have seen the light.

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