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PostSubject: GENE <> MEME Wed Jan 30, 2013 9:30 am

In the past genetic inheritance went hand-in-hand with mimetic continuance.

The homogeneity of the group ensured that whatever shared values, principles, morals, ideals, ideas, were passed on they were always common, no matter who the father was.
The female was, and is, the carrier of tradition. She adds nothing, subtracts nothing and remains totally loyal to it.
Females never experiment, because they are attracted to stability, order (masculinity) which ensures their value and the value of their offspring.
Male order offers them stability, social peace.
A predictable space to exploit their natural talents.  

A female will always defend whatever masculine power she is seduced by early on.
This is why a mother is the "heart" of a family, and why females take so easily to institution or cultures.
She will never challenge the status quo, or question its premises, but only act to preserve and to enhance them...to her benefit.

The male, on the other hand, is the one who must challenge authority, if he is to pass on his own genes.
He is disruptive to the status quo.

To prevent this masculine proclivity from tearing apart tribes the technology of marriage, based on the principle of monogamy, was invented. This turned the "free-radical" males into investors in the group's welfare.
This in homogeneous groups, where all the males shared in a genetic inheritance but, more so, shared in common values, ideals, and ideas.

This is not the case today.
Modernity, as a continuance of the universal Christian dogma, is a Meme which wishes to incorporate divergent genetic lines, peoples carrying different values, principles, ideas and ideals, into one uniform, stable, whole.
To accomplish this it must eliminate the natural connections and identifications....and so it must eliminate the carriers of such codes: males.
Females will fall in line easily...and in time they will become vehement defenders of whatever is popular, and current.
For a female it is an easy affair: what is dominant today, in her time and place, is superior...therefore it will be defended for it promises stability and establishes order within which a female can carry out her role as nurturer and mother.

But there is another breed of female. One which is more aware, more intelligent, more discriminating than the average.
For her the present, the popular, is not automatically superior to the past or the unpopular.
She knows the difference between quantity and quality.
For such a female breeding with an average man would be like breeding with an ape...even if he belongs, theoretically, to her race and her bloodline.
If the male carries the principles and values of Modernity, then he is an emasculated male....which may be similar to her, Genetically, but has nothing in common with her Mimetically.

Feminization has progressed so far in our time that genetic lineage is not a guarantor of mimetic lineage.
There has been a rupture between the past and the present, now projected as a Utopian future.

Take the modern Greeks.
They are infected with Judeo-Christian morals, ideals, values...and have little to do with the Hellenes they are descendents of.
In fact they, most of them, are the antithesis to them.
It is possible today to find more real Greeks outside modern Greece...Nietzsche was more of a Greek than they are.

Memes are how cultures are propagated.
Genes pass on a potential that may or may not be realized to its fullest, but it does not guarantee that the ideals that sprung from a particular genetic pool will find fertile ground in a mind infected with modern nihilism.  
This is particularly true in a world where the inferior male, and female, has been given the "right" to pass on genes which may not be representative of the group's best qualities.

The nihilistic infection works from the bottom up. It infects the rabble, the lowest element sin a group.
It is a meme that has appeal across genetic lines, because it seduces the basest elements in the species...now reproduced due to the absence of natural culling, becoming increasingly numerous, drowning out the qualities which inspired the emergence of a tribe.
This universalization of weakness, of meekness, cannot be combated by remaining stuck in tribal qualifications.

Mimetic warfare is one performed on a noetic level.
A shared meme must find its fighters from amongst a larger genetic pool.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Wed Jan 30, 2013 1:59 pm

Where memes develop, evolve, organically: s gradually springing out of the (niter)activity of a population with the given environment, resulting in ideas, ideals, morals, priciples, social behaviors, hierarchies and traditions....there are some that follow a reverse path.
There are some which begin as an idea, ideal, infecting the segments of a population feeling vulnerable or victimized by this (inter
)action between population and environment, and seeking for an alternative which might overturn the hierarchies established.

Whereas memes begin humbly and then spread, if they are strong enough, across tribal and generation boundaries, these last types of memes begin as universal, transcendental, appeals to the lowest parts of the group's nature.
They are not restricted because they are instantaneously universal, as they seduce the fear and the sexual need present in all mammals, instead of appealing to the higher brain, the noble part of human nature.

This makes them worldly...cosmopolitan...and deeply nihilistic.
If such a meme is successful it may gain power...and attempt to turn its ideology into a pragmatic phenomenon; turn its mimetic appeal into a genetic fact.
Here resentment finds an outlet in mimicry. It begins from lowly origins but then aspires to be like the memes it infected, in effect contradicting itself.
Zionism is an example of this process.

But the segments that remain true to their origins try to destroy the rightist elements amongst them...the elements preaching exclusivity....the special nature of this burgeoning tribe, not yet fully so.
Exclusivity or the denouncement of mixing is considered detrimental and contradictory to the essence of the nihilistic meme.
Therefore we have a further universality which does away with more than just race and sex, but attempts to destroy the boundaries of tribes and nationalities and religious doctrine.

The nihilistic meme morphs into a secular version, no longer hindered by the restrictions of religion or nationalism.
Marxism is an example of this.

But the all leveling meme exposes its anti-life, anti-world attitude because if ti follows through with its own logic, extinction will be the result....beginning with anti-species...with the redefinition of family and of what sexuality and sex are.
At this point homosexuality will not be the only sexual mutation that gains social acceptance, but a variety of sexual mutations will also become acceptable.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Wed Jan 30, 2013 8:51 pm

Nice!

How do you like the idea of memes as 'sleeper-cells'?

Some that go underground, suddenly resurface up at a totally different place and all it takes is some stimulus to set them active...

These memes are dormant, but they resist indoctrination because they are essentially "asleep".

I'll have to think more.



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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Wed Jan 30, 2013 8:53 pm

You mean they are not conscious.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Thu Jan 31, 2013 5:43 am

What I took out of this for now are thoughts about marriage and tribes - or some entity which shares genes and more importantly values, ideas and morals of which some are only memes but I think if present and enforced by natural selection for a longer period of time do manifest in genes as well.

The destruction of tribes, groups which share their heritage changes the level of competition. Now it is not tribes/cultures which compete with one another but individuals. The destruction of family is one step in a line of things which seek to individualize people. Everybody is special and nobody needs to be afraid.
People will adapt in some way or their lineage will diminish under those "modern" rules. Those kind who do well in a tribal environment and their values/morals are on the decline.

One could argue that well, the nihilistic memes/'genes in the making' are the way forward to survive, thus they are the ones to be accepted and applied - would that be rational?

Or would it be smarter to use the system and abuse it as best as possible while retaining (if that is possible) ones memes or develop ones memes in a less nihilistic way which are as far as I can tell better suited in the long run (after an empire collapses, after there are new frontiers in the future -maybe)? -after people have become really stupid (reminds me of the Eloi in the movie The Time Machine (1960))

Marriage to me looks like something which is very important in the forming of civilization and could if done and applied well in the finer details still keep the human gene pool "healthy" at a reasonable level. A balance between keeping man fit and enabling larger endeavours for a society.

I am still in part a romantic but not hopeless - I hope.
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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Thu Jan 31, 2013 5:51 am

As uniformity increases, being promoted even though it feels unnatural, a counter-movement emerges...one applying more stringent discrimination.

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It takes severe abstraction to incorporate vasts numbers of strangers under the heading of "friends" or "like-minded."
On an intuitive level humans can only show affiliation to a tribe's number of people.

Internal fragmentation is the result.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Thu Jan 31, 2013 7:53 am

Dunbar's number I would call a circle of acquaintances. ^^ well, maybe if one is a very gregarious person and has enough time and interest a day to maintain those relations in a reasonable fashion. But I see the point.

In my environment I see those who are 'infected' with nihilism and have a protective barrier to maintain their world view.

Short story intermission: Recently I had a talk about the male/female dynamic and equality with some young man, hm, well I'll write man but .... . After some arguing I wanted to get a simple answer and wanted to start with basic stuff. I said: "Men are on average physically stronger than women. I'm not saying that every man is stronger than every woman, I am saying that right now in time, men are on average stronger, physically stronger than women." His answer was:"That, you can't say."
I can't say that.... I was stunned, amused, a WTF moment, by his way of arguing. A few days later I watched the movie 1984 for the first time. It reminded me of him. 2+2=4 but sometimes it's 5 and sometimes it is 3.
In my language the phrase "That, you can't say." is used to express uncertainty about something. But I figured that what he said was something along the lines of "It is not allowed to say that.". Either that or he lives on a different planet.
End of story.

There are those, yes, but they are few. Most people I know do not really concern themselves with those things but they have an open mind for it if it is presented well.
So I see those people are at their core still capable of accepting a well presented argument about reality but of course many other influences in their life tell them in part a different story about how life and people are supposed to be which keeps them dormant.

In my view nihilistic memes are rooted heavily in primal emotions like fear. Nobody wants to be afraid, ever. So life must be fair and fairly boring too. To compensate that boredom we have to entertain.
I see in the trend to more and bigger and shorter entertainment a crumbling of those methods.
To compare this with food: There is food which remains the same in taste and texture since thousands of years and still people like it. And there is modern food which has to use more taste, more aggressive tastes, more extremes and more exotic looks to be bought. It sells for a few months and then a new taste has to be created. It's bland and boring at the core and at some point that levee may break.
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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Fri Feb 01, 2013 9:24 pm

Instead of "Memes", I promote more discussion on the distinctions of Race and Gender. Genes are really enough otherwise. (Nationalities are superficial also, but they often hint at some gentic differences as well and those are important.) Instead of claiming the leftist term: memes, I would like to reclaim the term "discourse" for the New Right. Since the leftist don't communicate, they just verbally masturbate.
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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Fri Feb 01, 2013 9:32 pm

Words, for me,a re not enslaved.
They are color hues on an artist's palette.

If they have been appropriated and made famous, to the general public, by particular artist with particular nature's is not that important.

Meme is effective because of its similarity, in form, and rhyme, with gene, but also because this similarity reflects a deeper relationship.
Meme is a continuance of the Gene...and uses the same methods within different contexts.

Both are self-replicating and "selfish".
Both begin in the individual and then extend themselves towards the universal.
Gene is the organic part which then evolves the capacity to break free from it.
When I convince someone with an argument, I am using our shared premises to fertilize his/her mind, as an organism uses the shared premises of a species identity, to fertilize the body.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:06 pm

Satyr wrote:

Both are self-replicating and "selfish".
Both begin in the individual and then extend themselves towards the universal.
Gene is the organic part which then evolves the capacity to break free from it.
When I convince someone with an argument, I am using our shared premises to fertilize his/her mind, as an organism uses the shared premises of a species identity, to fertilize the body.

I have noticed a lot of almost paronoia towards any kind of progressivism within the New Right. (From the little part I know so far.) Strong believers in Genes would be more deterministic, they wouldn't consider fertilization of a lower mind possible, from the perspective of a higher mind. So "meme" is more like a disease. The lower can pull down the higher. But not the other way round. The higher cannot uplift the lower. Since the lower are limited by their genetic potential. This is my experience. I've tried and I am a stronger "believer" in genes, these days. There are some really nice people, with lesser genes, I know. They are "good" people and try some, but their nature sets limits for them. Genetic feces, like you said earlier. Leftists are genetic feces.

All of them?

There we are with the White Mans decadence. They have certainly the highest potential among the races. Along with the Jews, if one wished to separate those. At least on an academic/intellectual level. (See achievements, Nobel prize winners...). But at the peak of their success it suddenly becomes fashionable to become leftists. Like Tibetan Buddhism is a fashion in the west. It's trendy. It is a way of showing genetic superiority actually. The white race is still leading in income, achievements and so on. But they are so arrogant, that they think they can now save mankind also. All the other lesser races. So they say: those are less priviledged (women as well). And this is the way of decay. The levelling. I don't think in their heart of hearts they believe any of the bullshit.

So today one still sees white Leftists, that look like Apollos or Greek Goddesses in Hippie clothes. But this won't go on very long. In this case there was a memetic infection. The lesser infected them with (white)guilt, shame, guilty conscience and so on. Can this be turned around? I don't know. They still have higher genetic potential, but they use it on making lots of money, buying crappy consumer products. And wasting it on taxes for immigrants who let their own countries go to waste.
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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Mon Feb 04, 2013 4:35 pm

Laconian wrote:
Like Tibetan Buddhism is a fashion in the west. It's trendy. It is a way of showing genetic superiority actually.

Really? Trendy things reveal genetic superiority? - Do I understand you correct?

Is that why you are keen on understanding the Origins of Vajrayana?

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Mon Feb 04, 2013 5:56 pm

If entropy is increasing then looking back is looking towards greater order, and looking forward is looking, projecting, towards greater disorder, greater randomness.

Nihilism was twisted everything until words symbolize concepts which are the opposite of how they are defined by the New Agers and the progressives.

Modernity, progress, is truly conservative because it tries to eliminate order and to conserve the naturally occurring disordering.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Wed Feb 20, 2013 12:47 pm

So the Darwinists maybe should be glad that the term "gene" is kind of carried along in the term "meme".

I still haven't fully understood mimetics. It is an urban phenomenon. Something modern. Something relevant for larger groups. Modern societies.

My question remains: are there noble memes? There certainly are lesser memes, even if someones genes are superior. I notice that. Doesn't the term memes restrict nobility though, in some sense? I understand it's usage and value to fight off the bad memes. But does the term still fit for the other side of the spectrum: to propagate the desirable memes? That at least would be something new. Since up till now, the term from what I've read was used for neutral or undesirable ideas. More as a disease (bad) or something within marketing/consumerism (neutral or maybe benificial in a moneymaking sense at best).

But the term doesn't restrict the other side: Nobility. Does it? Or do we there have a problem with the terms liberal heritage?
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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Thu Feb 21, 2013 7:52 am

Evolution is a disordering, a weakening of the organism, as genetic drift, mutations and information loss take their toll on a species' DNA.

Life was at its most internally ordered and structured during the reign of the dinosaurs.

Out of this comes consciousness and intelligence, an evolutionary reaction against this entropy. The mind overcoming matter, attempting to overcome the physical decay of its own nature. Simultaneously forced to recognize this in its philosophies. The ability to adapt the environment to make it more hospitable to a weakening organism. Not only against nature, but also against other hominid groups that have retained a greater degree of their DNA through not evolving and therefore their physical integrity vs the external world.

Look at the physical phenotype of the scientist, typically a spindly creature with a bulbous cranium. Formerly this type would have been found amongst the clergy, or before that killed off in the wilderness. Now salvation is offered through science.

Eternal life, longevity, this is the terrible fate on offer.

Any man who was cursed with such a fate would live long enough to see himself overtaken in evolution, and would eventually become a laughing stock, an example of mankinds primitive past, as some races are that to us today. His image would be beamed around the world like some circus freak for the children to stare at in shock.

Can the whole of humanity live forever? Of course not. They would be hogging space and resources needed for other species to evolve, not only that but hogging their very own DNA which must become the building blocks for other creatures.
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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Tue Mar 19, 2013 5:09 pm

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The nihilistic infection works from the bottom up.

I know this is pulled out of context. But this is why some "top down" may be useful. (Just not in critique/analysis.) High ideals.
What I think memetic pollution is are low ideals (often sold as high or altruistic/social, non-egoistic, self-less, ego-less, unifying ideals, that are really degrading, all levelling, common).

A shared mythology. A shared goal. This is why Cults work. Only Cults are too much detached and seek power. There's got to be a balanced way. A projected top-down ideal, that is then worked towards, from a bottom-up perspective. This in an affirmative sense. The problem with only bottom-up is also confusion.

To solve the Gene/Meme trouble. It might be stated that racial purity is a noble meme. Of course it is better if all races share this meme. Because if the foreigner impragnates the local woman, this too causes race-mixing. So I agree: memes over genes, but I take race purity as a serious memetic topic. As well as nationalism. Borders. If this is too idealistic, I don't care. One has to at least put these memes out there, communicate them, to see the response and maybe more people share these memes.
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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Tue Mar 19, 2013 5:28 pm

You speak of something else.

A "High" ideal, as you put it, must be rooted on the soil; it must have foundations in the real...otherwise it collapses under its own, unsupported,weight.
The strength of paganism, for instance, si that it is soundly rooted in the natural world.
The ideals aspired towards are extensions of the real...not in opposition to it, or in contradiction to it. The latter is Nihilism...they too have "High" ideals.
Perhaps my Ideals are less fantastic and extraordinary, because they are based on experiences and sensually perceived reality, but it gains in pragmatism what it lacks in infantile fantasy.

I am NOT a Traditionalist, in that I refuse to believe in a human construct: God.
I am not a Traditionalist, in that I refuse to denounce Evolution Theory, simply because it brings man down to earth, and makes him less than holy.
Humans and apes Do have a common ancestry...and it is this that makes man even more exceptional.

The cycles are not, for me, cultural, if they claim that, at no time did life emerge from a common ground.
Cycles are universal, not human.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Tue Mar 19, 2013 5:44 pm

As "pisces" to have the "God" even on the radar is a big step. Usually "Pisces" cannot do so. But since this outside entity is so dominating in many peoples' lives it is important to take note of that. Most "Atheists" don't want to talk about their xtian belief or deny it, while still believing, once one keeps asking.

Darwinism is important too. I experience that people rejecting Darwinism are usually very religious people in one way or the other. This is one of the most important subjects by which to get to know a person in my opinion too.

Satyr wrote:

The cycles are not, for me, cultural, if they claim that, at no time did life emerge from a common ground.
Cycles are universal, not human.

I do not understand this.
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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Tue Mar 19, 2013 5:48 pm

What I mean, is that it is not human history that goes in cycles...but the world.
Human beings are only parts of it....
Therefore, I do not believe that before history begins there were civilizations bigger and better than the ones known.

Only clowns believe in that.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Tue Mar 19, 2013 5:52 pm

The question when history started remains open.

Do you believe it possible, that there were higher developed civilizations (in a sense of technics, crafts, architecture ...) before todays, here on earth?
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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Tue Mar 19, 2013 6:00 pm

Space is very big.
Mathematically speaking, I must consider it probable.

This does not mean that they came here to seed themselves.
Panspermia is for dimwits.

I do not speculate outside my sensually perceived zone.
I also think God is possible, in theory.
I rank possibilities by their reference points, as I said.
I give them a probability ranking.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Tue Mar 19, 2013 7:21 pm

I think the confusion of the gene/meme talk may be that some may think they exclude each other. While in fact "genes" themselves may be an important meme.
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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Tue Mar 19, 2013 7:43 pm

Yes...genes are encoded memories, encoded experiences, encoded(inter)actions...that is what nurturing is.
Nature is a term describing the sum of this past, this encoded nurturing - known and, mostly unknown.
To Know Thyself, is a Delphic decree, challenging the individual to explore his past, his previous nurturing...his nature.
But not only to explore, but to accept...to embrace, because most of it will not be flattering, soothing, "positive".

Memes are an extension of this...just as mind is an extension of body; the brain's projections.
Language, it is said, is a sophistication of grooming. The tactile giving way to the more effective and efficient verbal.

Words are a form of insemination.
When we convince another, we impregnate him/her...we mind-fuck them...we seduce them.
No force, no rape...(s)he opens up willingly.

Knowledge is encoded experience; encoded nurturing/nature; encoded past.
The encoding method is words, just as in genes it is chromosomes.
The meme is an extension of the gene.
It's effectiveness is that it can bridge geographic and cultural boundaries and fertilize the alien...but not the totally alien.The other must posses reseptibilty...just as with genes the other must belong to the same species.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Wed Mar 20, 2013 8:47 am

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It's effectiveness is that it can bridge geographic and cultural boundaries and fertilize the alien...but not the totally alien.The other must posses reseptibilty...just as with genes the other must belong to the same species.

You somewhere mentioned the example of a horse and a mule crossing. But that some outcome is not able to procreate anymore. This is where "humanity" may be heading with the miscegenation. There are some rare studies already that show negative health effects in mixed racials compared to pure racials. There should be some more examples of this in the animal world.

The same for memes. I was just talking with a white/hamitic mixed-race guy. He got his degree in Economics and seems a very smart guy. But he is still limited or hardwired to a certain thinking. The slave perspective in particular. So some of "my" ideas he rejected and in our discussion he turned to personally attacking me, instead of discussing the issue.

One should only talk to them when they are alone. Then they are more receptive. Once one goes to places, where they are among their own kind, it is very tough to propose different memes. They are not receptive anymore if a (democratic) majority favours their opinion. That's why I back you on here. Even if it is just repeating your words, in my little understanding of them, a lot. Here you hold a majority position on topics, unlike on ILP or other places or in the real world.
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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Wed Mar 20, 2013 9:23 am

Laconian wrote:
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It's effectiveness is that it can bridge geographic and cultural boundaries and fertilize the alien...but not the totally alien.The other must posses reseptibilty...just as with genes the other must belong to the same species.

You somewhere mentioned the example of a horse and a mule crossing. But that some outcome is not able to procreate anymore. This is where "humanity" may be heading with the miscegenation. There are some rare studies already that show negative health effects in mixed racials compared to pure racials. There should be some more examples of this in the animal world.
this may be a possibility explaining decreasing fertility.
I think the overpopulation experiment, by Calhoun, offers a better explanation.

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The same for memes. I was just talking with a white/hamitic mixed-race guy. He got his degree in Economics and seems a very smart guy. But he is still limited or hardwired to a certain thinking. The slave perspective in particular. So some of "my" ideas he rejected and in our discussion he turned to personally attacking me, instead of discussing the issue.
A mixed-race individual has a vested interest in uniformity, because he is the start of it.

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A mixed-race individual has a vested interest in uniformity, because he is the start of it.

And yet he thinks he is the crown of diversity. ( A work of art in him/herself. )Or holds "the best of two worlds", as I've seen by many youtube bloggers, discussing their mixed-race.
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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Wed Oct 23, 2013 8:27 am

The time-line of the Nihilistic Meme now infecting the western, European man.

Midenismos/Nihilism

The basic definition of nihilism, before it was taken over and redefined by the nihilists themselves, is the mil, the miden (μηδεν), zero in mathematical terms.
The word as it is perceived, as it appears, is apparent (phenomenon, φαινομενον = that which appears ...truth, αληθεια, alithea, that which is revealed, disclosed, uncovered, recalled).
The world was then posited as the negative (0), rather than the real, the positive (1), the tangible, that which is revealed, is apparent.
The absence of an absolute (1/0 being abstractions, ways of orienting the will, projections, artificial absolutes), disillusioned man.
Becoming aware that his own interpretation of reality were symbols, representations, man turned to nihilism.
The absolute one and nil are both projections of the non-existent, the end, the final.
They are anti-world, when the world is understood as a dynamic, (inter)active, Flux, a process not a thing (some-no-Thing).
This awareness terrified minds, and the world was perceived as the negative or that which does not adhere to human absolutes.
The absence of an absolute, a thingness, was the negative, because man's need, his method, was the positive - subjectivity raised to a defining standard.
In fact the positivity of reality rests on its dynamic, creative, essence, full of possibilities and probabilities.

Monotheism is this surrender to man's own projections of binary, dualistic, thinking.



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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Wed Oct 23, 2013 9:46 am

To appreciate how nihilism comes about, and why it becomes so seductive to the majority, one must trace back its origins to cognition, how man engages the world and interprets a dynamic reality using abstraction, and how man, being a life-form, a self-organizing (organism), emergent unity, has an antagonistic relationship towards fluidity, or increasing entropy or Flux, the disordering.

Agon characterizes existence.
An ordering in the constant state of disordering, the establishment of patterns (knowledge, experience being patterns) within the dissolution of patterns we call chaos, or randomness.
Memory (genetic-memetic) is how man holds onto becoming, and when we speak of nihilism we separate of a forgetfulness, a shrinking of human perception by limiting, and controlling, human memory.
The narrative is how the memory is passed on memetically, and who controls the narrative controls the sense of self, the mind's identity.
Immediately we notice how nihilistic memes attempt to discredit, dismiss, forget, genetic memory, or what we call nature. It is contrary to this memory, because it needs to redefine, re-identify, and use human emotion to direct the mind towards a Utopian premise, which produces, in the meantime, total obedience, discipline, surrender, domination.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Wed Oct 23, 2013 10:00 am

The foundation of human thinking is binary - this either/or the simplest minds always follow religiously.
This either/or is the projection of the dualities of good/evil, God/Satan, here/there, I/other, beginning/end, 1/0 ...where each it taken literally as a static absolute, rather than a signpost, a projected, simplified/generalized, abstraction.
This either/or produces paradoxes, when the word symbolizing these mental models are applied literally upon a reality which is fluid and has no static absolutes.

All simple minds need to put life within this either/or scenario: either liberal or conservative, either Republican or Democrat, either Communism or Capitalism.
None of these options are real, because they are never applied, in the fluid real world absolutely. the theory is never applied perfectly; the ideal never matches the real.
All that is left I the 'in theory" the hypothetical future, or beyond, or immanent, application of the ideal state.

Nihilism is the rejection of dynamic reality, settling upon the either/or paradigm, where the choice is made easier. Emotion takes over and the mind can now, given the polar opposite options selects the most soothing, comforting, inspirational, hopeful.
Secular Humanism is this choice between two projected absolutes, used as polar opposites so as to produce the illusion of understanding.

The immanent is where hope is placed, once the dogmatic, religious, foundation of secular humanism is stripped of its Divinity.
Fear is the natural reaction to the unknown, the dark, the randomness of chaos, and so in the either/or scenario two absolute forms of hypothetical order, are presented.
The secular humanist is convinced that it likes change, is pro-change, when in fact this is only in relation to the status quo, which he finds dissatisfying and unflattering.
He wants change only because he hopes, his future utopia, his better state, is immanent.

Given the real, he can only hope that any change is an increase in the possibility that his won desires will be fulfilled.
To maintain this hope he is willing to risk it all, and to give himself to chaos, to randomness, to anything that rejects what is and was.
This was, is another way of saying nature - sum of all nurturing, the past.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Wed Oct 23, 2013 10:18 am

The either/or is really the easiest form to evolve.
Binary logic, and why it evolved first, is reflected in other natural phenomena, such as male/female, where from single-cell division the first method to evolve is a binary one.

Either/Or thinking is a reflection of the on/off neural switching between neural pulse interacting with neuron and not interacting with it.
This either/or becomes the either/or of dualism.

The first method to develop for interpreting fluid, dynamic, reality, would be one based on this either/or. The primitive organism evolved a rudimentary form of perception to distinguish between edible and inedible, later to become friends or foe, based on the simplification/generalization of same/different.
This first step was attracted to the known, the experienced. The slightest pattern it has perceived before became an indication of sameness.
What was different was too unknown to deal with, until it became known, by finding a pattern it can then store in memory, passing it on as a behavioral automatism.

The mind is a forager of patterns, dedicated to an organism, a self-organizing, process, and as such it is attracted to the known, the same.
Sameness is attractive to it, both because it understands it and can use this understanding to deal with it, and because it becomes less threatening because it is known.
This attraction to the known, the same, the pattern, becomes ingrained.

The tiniest (re)cognized, (re)called, pattern of sameness attracts, disregarding all divergence.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Wed Oct 23, 2013 10:35 am

This either/or scenario can then be used to place on one side, or the 'either', usually the past, all that frightens, dissatisfies the mind, and on the other side, its opposite, the 'or', full of hope and expectation, as well as a veiled threat.

In relation to reality - the dynamic - both represents a nullification, but in relation to each other, these man-made projections, can stand-in for any idea, and any abstraction.
The nihilist can be on the either or the or camp, but whatever the case may be, the degree of dissatisfaction with reality, nature (past), a mind feels the more absolute its conceptions are.

The emotional tendency would be to go towards the abstraction that offers the most relief from the dynamic, real.
This is to be expected.
The modern, average, nihilist, thoroughly disenchanted, desperate, afraid of the real, is drawn to the nihilistic view that completely rejects the dynamic, the real, the uncertain, the forever outside will and understanding.
Nihilism can now become a tool for manipulating this normal human emotional tendency.

Therefore, the most popular ideologies in our time, are those who offer a world-view which dismisses, disregards, offers forgetfulness, a redefinition of the past, an escape from the determinism of the immutable previous, sum of all nurturing.
There are some true, pure, honest nihilists who express their hatred of self and of the world that made them possible openly, and who hope to eradicate themselves and the world, in a last act of rejection and hate.
They are in the minority.
The most popular form of nihilism is the current, modern one; the one finding a common ground with its eastern equivalent of this Neo-Buddhism, preaching an end to rebirth as its highest goal.
In the west the nihilistic tradition can be culturally traced back to the Semitic spiritual dogma, and further back to the monotheistic Zoroastrianism which still retained some pagan Aryan elements.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Wed Oct 23, 2013 11:03 am

Reality, being that it is dynamic, flux, ever-changing, need not be induced to change, for it IS change. Change happens whether we want it or not. We, to use Heidegger's image, are thrown into reality, and change, or whatever we call, Flux, is what we must deal with and cope with.

The antagonistic nature of life is in this dealing with the perpetual change that needs no effort to come about, unless we place this effort, this force, in some imagined divine, or call it Will, as in 'will to power and/or 'will to life.'
Life resists change, as part of its self-organizing within the disorganizing, its self-maintenance within the dynamic fluidity, as part of its self-ordering within perpetual disordering.
Life is about preserving the status quo, and if the idea is pushed to its absolute ideal, it leads to God, the state of absolute immortal, order.
The opposite, to this pole, part of a binary system, is to abandon one's self to change, to flux, to the chaos. It is a death-wish, a need to disappear, to disintegrate and dissolve, to stop resisting, and avoid feeling the need/suffering this resistance produces.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Wed Oct 23, 2013 1:09 pm

The Modern Nihilistic dogma, no matter how many forms it takes, still abides by the shared premises and often displays its common ground by suing the same methods against those who expose it and confront its comforting annihilation stories, with that happy ending, turn, at the end.

Consider the case of change.
Change is constant and inescapable.
The past is set, immutable, determining, and unchangeable.
The past stands in contrast to the present and coming future, simply by being outside of willful intervention.
One cannot change the past and how it manifests in the present, but one can use it to direct the Becoming towards a preferred future.
Denying the past is a sure way of failing, in whatever future one envisions as being "best".
One cannot change, direct, control, what one has no understanding, or knowledge of.

We immediately see the problem with modern nihilism, as it presents itself through individual cases.
The past is not only denied relevance, and rejected, but it is rejected partially and selectively, oftentimes constructing a caricature of the past, nature, which is contradicted by sensual reality itself. This is why appearances must also be rejected as having any relevance.
Appearances, being the product of the sum of an organism's past, must be dismissed, so as to enable the cherry-picking involved in redefinitions and reinterpretations of a past/nature only partially accepted and understood.

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For the nihilist, delusional one, change is an indication of openness and honesty.
Change is so hopeful that though, in relativity, change does not happen at a rate which would prohibit life, consciousness, or the recognition of patterns which hold true for vast spans of time/space, but it must be immediate, and only some of the time.
This is the immediate gratification factor entering into the equation.
The nihilist, being sheltered, must be gratified immediately and easily.

For him changing his mind is not only a correction necessitated by his ignorance and his inability o perceive patterns which have merit over longer periods of time/space, but it is a necessary part of him adjusting his needs, harmonizing his interests, with new discoveries concerning reality which he cannot avoid - particularly when they come from authority figures and institutions which also offer him the defensive responses to these new insights.
Instead of exposing him as a fool who must constantly adjust his previous mistakes to new data, he takes this as a flattering indication of his intellectual integrity.
The weakness becomes a strength.

Conveniently nothing new is ever proposed which challenges his moral, spiritual, and metaphysical positions.
Here generalization/simplification, comes to his aid, and complexity, ignorance, is used as a reason to remain fixed in all except the tactics and details.
Complexity is reason enough to avoid passing a judgment that may contradict his desired world-view, and ignorance is his favorite way of dismissing views that challenge him.
If ll fails the emotional tract is always on stand-by. A sharp accusation, a subtle insinuation, a delicate implication, and he is set free from responding, placing his comforting self-annihilating, positions under scrutiny, risking the exposure of his own emotional, fear-based, and oftentimes sexual obsessions.

For the common, average, modern, nihilist, change is a prerequisite to any discussion.
Not change forced by reason, but change for the sake of change.
The world is too complex for it to perceive any pattern with longer lifespans that his own, unless they are given to him, and supported by an authority.

In every other case, not to change is a sign of close-minded stubbornness.
he sees it in others, when he cannot offer them a reason to doubt themselves enough to change their minds, but he never sees it in himself, when he is unable to support any of his views without using emotion or deferring to an authority.
In his mind the other must give-way, because he gives-way himself, even if no reason is given; it is a gesture of good-faith, in his mind, because he feels so insecure about himself and his won positions that he needs this humility, on the other side, to settle him down.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Wed Oct 23, 2013 1:32 pm

The typical Nihilist's defense handbook includes many tricks.


Some examples:


---Mock Humor
When corned the nihilist will begin feigning exaggerate mirth, expressed by laughter, as a form of ridicule with no content.
No content need be provided afterwards.


---Mock Indifference
When corned the nihilist will feign exaggerated boredom, expressed by yawning, as a form of ridicule and dismissing what he implies he knows all too well.
The only thing he knows well is the response to a position he is unable to contradict.
His contact with the position is accompanied with an established response to it.  


---Personal Insinuation
Before he falls back to the usual ad hom counter argument, he will resort to subtle insinuation concerning the opponent's personal life, and/or his motives.
A female, or an effete male, obsessed with sex, will go straight to the sexual innuendo. He wants to dissuade and hurt, by going for the weakest, most central, part he can recognize in himself.  
Once the seed is planted that the other's motives are questionable, all other nihilists will seize the opportunity to ignore or dismiss the opposition without having to offer any reason or argument.
The Nihilist will question the other's motives, being unable to justify a position without an emotional return; he accuses it of an alternative motive, and then summarily dismisses it on those projected emotional grounds.


---Negative as Positive
The absence of an absolute, in this case the absence of absolute knowledge (omniscience), absolute certainty, is for the nihilist a reason enough.
When what is proposed satisfies a need, adheres to an emotional requirement, he sees in the absence a way of maintaining his own positions; when they contradict his personal needs and cause a negative emotion in him, he finds in the absence a reason to dismiss.
In the latter he can excuse all lapses in logic and evidence, no matter how glaring, whereas in the former they become inexcusable, no matter how small.
In the latter he defends, expecting the other to offer the same in return, whereas in the former he remains stringent, unforgiving, critical, and aggressive; because he receives nothing he expects nothing in return.
For the nihilist there is no gradation in value judgments. There is only an either/or, based on the projection of absolutes, based on binary, dualistic, thinking.
Uniformity in weakness, ignorance, is sustained by this either/or paradigm; uniformity in hierarchies, equality, is sustained, by this either/or scenario.
It is the negative, in this case the absence of an absolute, that justifies the equality of all. The nihilist relies on the absolute nil to find hope in the coming absolute, singular, one.
If Paradise is absent, the coming Utopia is on its way; if God is dead, then He is immanent.
 


---Dissatisfaction
For the nihilist emptiness, boredom, unhappiness is always an either/or proposition, with no gradations.
One is either absolutely happy or absolutely unhappy, and since he has himself as the only example he can draw from, he assumes that because he is miserable, and because happiness, in the absolute sense, is highly suspect, that all share in his own misery.
Therefore, for the nihilist  ambition, hope, are the only source for his contentment; he must draw from the immanent, coming, future, just around the corner but never here, to gain sustenance and strength for dealing with his misery.
For him comfort, resulting in a lower grade of activity, is incomprehensible. He can only male sense of it by referring it back to his own condition, and see it as unhappy.
For the nihilist not wanting to change, so as to preserve an already present state of relative contentment, is beyond his capacity to relate to. He is always driven towards change, changing himself, because he is always unhappy. For him this striving towards, is the only source of potential contentment, because he can find none in the present, or the past - he seeks it in some coming future.


---Self
The nihilist is so dissatisfied with himself, with the end result of a historical becoming, that he must search for gratification in others.
He despises himself so much that any distraction from self will do.
He is so void of anything to feel proud of, to find meaning in, to find purpose, his past so disgusting to him that he uses the term as an insult against others - "primitive", "passe", "old" - that he must find hope for something more, something to fill the void either in some coming future, or in some other.  
The other becomes his only source of self-worth, and so he must always please others, be validated by others, find value in others, measuring his own worth by how many others find him valuable.
for him an activity is only important and worthwhile when others appreciate it, and he gauges this by how many of them do so - quantity rather than quality.
He is so dependent on others, the immediate otherness, for his self-esteem, and for dealing with reality, that the mere possibility of separating self from otherness makes him feel terror.
For this reason, the nihilist can only see illness in whoever is not like him, or he finds in the other a motive like his own: attention whoring as a form of constant self-validation.
His own emptiness, seeking constant fulfillment, in others, becomes, for him, the new standard of the healthy - he calls it love, and must purify the concept by detaching it from nature/past, or form anything egotistical/selfish.


---Dependence
The Nihilist is more dependent on others, than the average mind would be.
It's not only his stunting of growth, turning inward, his retarded development, keeping him in the condition of infantile neediness, suckling on the communal teet, which is to blame, but it is the discrediting of the world that closes him off from anything that would lead to maturing.
Once the nihilist has had his own senses demeaned, all he can do is turn to other minds for guidance.
Atrophy, over time, does not only further strengthen this dependence eon others, but it also makes his senses incapable of what they could when they first developed. He has had his sight, for example, so ridiculed and slandered, that he began to mistrust his own eyes; he blinded himself. Now, after years of self-blindness, he is unable to see anything but shadows, which only reinforce his submission to an ideal that makes sight irrelevant.
He now goes to other eyes to tell them what he must see.
Their motive he never questions, not does he doubt their intent, if they tell him exactly what supports his own state and turns it into something desirable, something noble, something to be proud of.  
Nothing he sees, hears, feels, is to be trusted, in fact it is all illusion, and superficial, and it is comforting to him, but what remains?
The word: The word is the replacement to the senses.
Comfortably blinding himself, feeling safe and secure in the sensory deprivation chamber of his own mental “panic room,” the nihilist either turns esoteric, shunning the world altogether, or he turns towards the only other source of stimulation, of data input, left to him: other people.
Esoteric, in his case, means towards the communal decree, the shared belief, the popular conception. He turns inward, becomes esoteric, in the sense that he now confuses the world of man, the artifices man creates, for the real world, the one existing independent of human intervention and contrivance.  
The fact that he can now pick and choose which source he will attach himself to, sucking it dry, like a baby on the breast, makes this solipsistic, sacrifice, all the more seductive.
It's not that there is a reality we must discover, and deal with directly, but now all he needs to do is give himself over to relativity, to perspectivism, and find that appropriate perspective for him; the right parent, the correct, most motherly mother.
Cocooning for the nihilist is not a cost, it is a privilege. He can buy any shell he wants, and then crawl into it forever: technologies for him are god's embrace.
He engages what he calls ‘reality’ through these motherly kinds of minds, or, if he dares, in a moment of bravado and testosterone induced courage, he may take a peek at the more fatherly, cruelly loving, types.
Direct contact with the world, crawling out into the sun, from his cave, is only possible in theory. What he calls the “outside,” the real world, is no more than part of the artificial shell that surrounds his delicate mind with comfortable lies, and well-wishes, and reasons to turn his shame into pride, and his blindness, into a new kind of sight, a new-found enlightenment.  


---In-Dependence
His in-dependance becomes a form of dependence, but a detachment from the world which cares not for the delusions he has grown accustomed to.
He is not liberated, but in-dependence.
His freedom is really a freedom from reason, and an emotional attachment; a freedom from the past, from nature, and an attachment to human codes, words; a freedom from reality, and an attachment to human artifices, like justice, equality, or to redefined, purified concepts, nature produced as survival tools/methods, like consciousness, love, humanity.
His rejection of reality becomes a full acceptance of the words he is given, after they've been deified, cleansed of all primal, natural, base, intentions.
He has detached, liberated, himself from the vulgarity the indifference, the uncertainty, and cruelty of the world, and totally submitted to the cocooning, maternal, embrace, whose motives are never doubted, and words suffice to create this feeling of bliss - a child forever clutching at his mother.
Any attempt to explain these words, these human abstractions, by referring them back to the natural world from where they sprung from, via the human brain, is considered a vicious assault upon the innocent child, cruelty against the naive.
The word, if it is to serve as a detaching code, must remain sacred.
It must have no traces of anything natural, anything motivated by the animalistic, the earthy, and the worldly.
The word, the mother's lullaby, is meant to sooth, to relax, to relieve stresses, to save and to protect.
Not even a father's harsh directness will be tolerated in this children's room.
The nihilist wants to annul the world outside of this beautiful setting; this technological embrace.
Everything is possible here, even reinventing your sense of self, your identity, in other words the past.


---Either/Or
No matter how above primal dualisms a nihilist thinks he's grown, he will always revert back to their simplifying grace, when he is faced with a dilemma.
The nihilist's litmus test is the proverbial glass half-full or half- empty choice, this either, or.
The choice must be made to reveal the psychology of the thinker who being forced into the choice must choose, using his innate predispositions to guide him.
The fact that fullness and emptiness presuppose a bounded space/time, as represented by the glass, is far too diluting for this simplifying test of contentment.
For the nihilist the choice is easy.
The glass is always half-full, expressing his happiness, and the fullness he feels when focusing only on the liquid which promises to quench his need.
Need, directed by emotion, is how the Nihilist directs his reasoning, and his value judgments, such as it is.
The nihilist will always focus on the quenching parts of reality, ignoring everything else.
For him the liquid contained within an artificial boundary, excluding all else, suffices to remain happy in his selective perceptions.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Fri Oct 25, 2013 7:57 am

---The Word
The spoken and written word is, for the average nihilist, the ingredient constructing sheltering, cocooning, metaphor.
The word is the fabric that binds him and protects him from the world – against the world he has the word, though it be, love, happiness, Jesus, Marx, equality, fairness, justice, unity, oneness, humanity, as the binding words and have, evil, discrimination, injustice, suffering, fascism, Nazi, Hitler, Nietzsche, as the rejecting words.
The words used define the shelter being constructed and its relation to reality.
There are words who try to attach human conceptions to reality, to nature, and then there are words that try to detach man from them.
The motive can be discerned in two ways: by how the word refers to a sensual phenomenon or defers to another human construct, and by the usage of the word, its place, its repetition, its emotional appeal, the imagery it produces.
The more detached from reality a word is, the less it refers to the sensual but refers to other human construct, the more void of substance it is; the more empty it is.  

The words themselves need not be precisely defined, actually not defining them precisely makes them stronger in their emotional application, but they must be shared under the auspices of not only a common dictionary offering the word’s basic meaning, but, more importantly, under the authorities which lend the word gravitas, associate it with an emotion, an image, a construct, but also place it within a narrative.
As such, the nihilist’s thinking always goes through these narratives, offered by famous, established, institutionally acknowledged, names – a name also being a word associated with a being, a face, which may or may not be present to accept or to reject the usage of his name and the narratives associated with it.
The world is of a secondary affair, because all goes through words.
The senses, already reduced to a cosmic lies, a trick only there to fool the nihilist, have also been surrounded by concealing, manmade, constructs – particularly in urban environments. Urbanization is growing environmental condition, and conditioning, and nihilism prevails amongst the bourgeois, raised within urban environments.
For the nihilist all opinions of the world, of this fluid, dynamic, indifferent to human words and constructs, reality, must pass through narratives, associates, justifiably or not, with famous human figures: narrators of reality, using words.
All conceptions of reality, now pushed into the distance of experience, must fall within established storylines.
This is a convenient factor in the nihilist’s psychology, because once reality is reduced to words and narrations, it can be manipulated, purchased, sold, accepted or rejected, according to need; it is now a product to be express personal tastes.
The original unyielding to human needs, indifferent, world has now become a word more easily manipulated and used.
The reduction of reality, as a sensual experience, to a word, a conceptual construct begins with the creation of the word God.
At that point the fluidity, dynamism, uncertainty, of reality, is linguistically formed into a static, absolute, symbol.
From then on, the overturning of reality by using words becomes easy, particularly amongst the nihilists who have the least to be grateful for when it comes to their presence, their appearance, their reality.
The words are not symbols for expressing reality, symbolizing and representing it, but little strings to be woven into a new skin; a new layer, a new garment, loose enough to include anybody, and strong enough to exclude the cold, harshness or all the unwanted aspects of reality.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:05 am

The gene is “selfish,” as Dawkins calls it, in that it has evolved to propagate itself, sometimes to the detriment of the organism it produces.
The individual is a vehicle for its propagation.
Similarly a meme is selfish, and is also a method of propagating itself, oftentimes to the detriment of the organisms that participate within its organization.
The meme does not evolve to satisfy personal desires and needs. It may even contradict them if its own existence is in question.
The meme takes over the mind, inhibits its resistance, and hijacks the will.
As such, a mind free from genetic influence may question its own existence, and a mind liberated from the shared meme may question the ideas and morals and principles of the common man.    

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With this in mind the sexual frenzy associated with the mating season, or with lust, can be understood as a behaviour indifferent to the well-being of the particular organism, because the goal is genetic propagation.
Furthermore, a parental self-sacrifice is clarified, though the particular organism may lack the consciousness to know what death is or what genes are.
If we apply this to the meme, then nihilism becomes comprehensible, as an internal method of harmonizing, and the sacrifices of the individual organism in its defence, become an expected aspect of memetic control.

We also gain an understanding as to how and why a mind freed from survival necessities, and which has evolved in awareness, may consider intelligence a detriment to evolutionary goals, as well as towards memetic principles.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Thu Jan 30, 2014 12:56 pm

A meme is the product of a people's evolution within particular environments, experiencing particular circumstances.
It reflects this genetic inheritance.

Some memes become seductive to peoples outside this genetic pool, resulting in cross-fertilization.
Such memes go beyond their envirnment, their historical contexts, by inseminating/impregnating, other, weaker, more impressionable memes.
Through this fertilization the memes alters form, just as a gene combines with other genetic material to bring about a new organism, but unlike the genetic fertilization process with memetic fertilization there is no 50/50 sharing.
The more dominant meme will always exceed in effect the meme being dominated, although the effect will never be overwhelming. The impregnated meme will always change the dominant meme by its contact with its own, and the adaptation of the weaker into the stronger.

There are two forms of seduction: the masculine one where it overpowers, dominates, by its sheer essence...and the feminine which seduces, entices, with its open promise.
The second type is long-lived because it requires less effort to maintain passivity, and congruity using this tolerance to dominance.
The so called Modern progressive memes are characterized by this feminine openness to cross-fertilization.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Thu Jan 30, 2014 3:03 pm

The organism absorbs nutrients from the world outside its wilful domain.
It does so unconsciously and automatically, at first, later evolving the ability to direct this absorption of energies more efficiently, by discriminating, and discerning what types of energies it can absorb and which it cannot or threaten to absorb it.

The epidermic shell offers it the choice, which we call will, to direct itself towards an object/objective, analyse it, absorb it, process it, and then simplify it into parts divided into useful and not useful - in the second group it includes the elements which are toxic, dangerous, destructive to its, self-maintaining, self-organizing, unity.

There are three reasons the organism cannot absorb, use, energies it absorbs:

1- It cannot process them, lacking the mechanisms and the energies to break them down to a simplified form it can absorb - absorb meaning integrate its elements, its activities, into its own processes.
2- It cannot recognize them. It fails to understand the manner in which it can absorb those energies, having evolved only to absorb particular types of energies, in particular forms.
3- The energies are toxic, contrary, to its own processes.
They either destroy the processes attempting to integrate them, or they require more energy to be simplified down to a form which would make them easy to integrate.

For the memetic organism, the SueprOrganism, the same holds true, only now the energies are replaced by codes, data, information, which refer to abstractions, ideas, concepts.
Abstractions are interpretation of stimuli, or (inter)actions.

Just as energies assimilated into an organism are stimulants, or (inter)actions which can or cannot be integrated into the organisms internal processes (internal ordering, interactivity) - it interprets their processes into its own, with varying degrees of success), so too are data packages, unities, groupings, which are interpreted, by the brain (the brain takes over the role of stomach), into usable simplifications/generalizations, that can then be integrated into its own internal structures, its own ordering, or expelled, for the reasons given before, as toxic excrement.
In the case of the SuperOrgansim, the organism is its cellular multiplicity.

The meme is what the gene is : a set of preprogrammed instructions directing its processes to organize, and (re)act to stimuli, and directing it towards what and how to integrate external to it energies/data.

The gene uses the senses to analyse the energies in its envirnment.
The meme, also, uses the senses, but it then filters them through the cognitive parts of the brain for further analysis.

The gene uses the stomach to break down energies in preparation for integration/assimilation.
The meme uses the brain for this work.

The gene absorbs energies via the cells.
The meme absorbs ideas via the organisms.

The gene eliminates toxins or energies it cannot process or absorb through the anus and urethra
stomach to break down energies.
The meme uses institutions to incarcerate (quarantine, in the hope of finding a use or of the organism altering its toxicity), or it isolates, as a pressure tactic (using the social instinct to pressure), or it destroys. In the first two methods pressure is akin to a stomach's acidity trying to break down resistant elements in its isolated, from the rest of the organs, pocket.

The organism's cells, those micro-parts constructing the organs that are carrying out these processes, are constructed using energies extricated from otherness in the manner mentioned before.
Similarly, the SuperOrganism's micro-parts, its organisms (members, citizens etc.) are, also, constructed using the elements gathered and processed in the manner mentioned before - we call this indoctrination, education, training.
To guarantee that the parts the SuperOrganism depends upon do not veer off the required activities, behaviours (necessary when a brain is present), a set of mechanism are in place, from birth, to ensure the smooth and predictable outcome: morals, social etiquette, religion, dumbing-down (restriction of critical thinking or thinking beyond the acceptable parameters), law & order institutions, peer pressures, more recently, sophisticated methods based on insight into human psychology, resulting in more advanced methods in human husbandry, and, finally, Nihilism, as a method of eliminating all external sources of behavioural direction, the elimination of all elements which inhibit integration (sexual identity, race identity, bloodlines, analytical ability outside the trained methodologies and so on).

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Thu Jan 30, 2014 3:22 pm

Once the organism (the organic cell) has been successfully integrated into the internal ordering processes then any distinction outside this function, whatever specialized role each cell is called upon to play within the entirety, is superfluous.
Therefore, separating humans into groups based on particularities about the individual inhibits utility, within the SuperOrganic structure.
The SueprOrgansim does not care if the cell is male/female, of a particular genetic type, has its own judging faculties, tastes, or heritage... all it cares is about functionality.
All cells, all organisms, are judged by their ability and effectiveness in filling in a particular role, a function, a job.
Their identity is reduced to only that part of their potential, and nothing more about it matters or should matter.

Now we begin to understand why feminism arises, why race is something "evil", why interpersonal divisions are considered passé, why sexual orientation is irrelevant, why education is so important in equalization and why equalization is even possible.
Equalization simply means that if you can become part of an organ offering a service to the SueprOrganism, and you do not cause problems, then nothing else about you matters...nothing except your performance within this specialized role.
The organic cell has no individual value. What it is, how it feels, what it likes is inconsequential if it can participate in a function within the organism - its entire value is wrapped up in its participation in one process within a structure it need not know or understand, but only identify with by connecting with others, like it, in its immediate environment... its peers.
Its entire becoming is evaluated and judged by this role within the SuperOrganism.
The larger, more complex, stronger the SuperOrganism, the more pride, self-worth, it feels via the others that surround it and are included in its condition.

Everyone else is cancerous... or excrement to be quarantined or flushed out.

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