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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME GENE <> MEME - Page 6 EmptySun Jan 13, 2019 9:26 pm

I'm not sure to what extent sociopath and psychopath are real things, in the sense of being pathologies. Pretty much all animals in nature are like that.

A lion/ess will rip a zebra's throat out and then go cuddle with its cubs. Nothing weird about that.

It just sounds like more (((modern psychology))) by Dr. Shlomo.
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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME GENE <> MEME - Page 6 EmptyMon Jan 14, 2019 5:23 am

Does a lioness cuddle with zebras and rip the throats of her young?

Killing is not sociopathy.
Committing suicide by killing those like yourself, is.
Killing indiscriminately, and for the sake of killing, is.

The idea that the 'self' is an end in itself, making all others your 'enemy' is sociopathic.

A reversion to an animal state that can only recognize self, and can only identify with what is outside itself intuitively, instinctively - without knowing why or how.

A male lion does not know why it must kill the cubs another male fathered, but it does.
It does not know why or how it does not kill its own cubs...it smells itself in them and doesn't.
It's conception of 'self' is limited. It has no ability to know species identity, sexual identity, ideology, life in general.
A male lion cannot step outside itself and see the 'big picture', within which its own self-interests compete.
It recognizes no will, no law, other than its own. It is a dumb animal.

It has no ability to appreciate its species or how vulnerable to extinction it is....it acts and judges within a very shallow perceptual-event-horizon.

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This is how metaphors can lead to errors, if taken literally. It's one of the risks in all forms of art.
The metaphor implies more than can be justified, and is actually used to insert absurdity alongside reasoning, so that the two can become indistinguishable.

Information = pattern....a vibrating/oscillating pattern - Energy.
Space = possibilities, so a patterned oscillation implies a consistent sequence interacting across multiple dimensions.
So, the sequence establishes in which dimension it is interactive, and in what sequence.
Time can be thought of as the rhythm's duration and/or speed of oscillation, in relation to the observer's own metabolic rhythms: a juxtaposition which makes time a value-judgemental.
Metaphors can imply intent, when none is necessary to explain all unities, except organic molecules, cells.
The primary intent of a cell is to replicate itself - making copies of itself. On this level there is no possibility of contradiction, nor is judgement necessary.

Only on the level of a unity of cells - a collective aggregate - such as man, can a meme theoretically contradict genes.
And it can only do so ideologically, noetically, and not pragmatically....because even if the organism is foolish enough to try it will die.
This is why Nihilism can only remain theoretical, political, and cannot be applied or, if they do, they must lie - contradicting their own stated principles.
A meme that is in harmony with the organism's genes - is an extension of them - do not require justification, nor do they require others to believe in their validity.
The environment, and the organism's success within it, suffices.
Only nihilistic memes, impotent outside human brains because they contradict reality, must validate themselves via the acknowledgement of others.

Memes are gene specific....the meme emerges within a specific population group, experiencing particular events within a particular environment.
Memes are extension of genes, evolving in unison, to begin with, and then transmitted to other genes, via semiotics.

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Blood is the organism what language is to the Super-organism.
Genes/Memes.

We can trace a family's heritage by studying its DNA, found in Blood, skin, hair....the entire body, including the brain.
But what of the mind?
Genes refer to body....memes to mind.
Can we trace memetic heritage?


There are four major linguistic families.

1. Indo-European



2. Sino-Tibetan

3. Niger-Congo

4. Afro-Asiatic

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Within the contexts of gene<>memes, the modern Nihilist paradigm is wilfully or not, trapped within the meme.
Even when it speaks of tangible things it means within human socio-economic cultural contexts.
In other words, if it does not completely go insane and converts its language to self-referential symbols with no external references - pure noetic abstractions - then, in a bid to appear realistic, it remains snuggled within man-made environmental contexts.
It refuses to define words by connecting them to phenomenon, or refuses to connect them to phenomena outside human culture.

Firstly, it defines ways that is unrealistic....so as to make the attainment of understanding impossible, or to project it 'outside' reality - outside the time/space continuum.
Secondly, when it hypocritically pretend to be empirical, and science oriented, seeking truth, it cannot connect its language to both human systems and natural ones.
It deals with the dissonance by remaining within manmade human environments - within the political, the moral as this has been defined by Abrahamism and is now adopted by modernism.
even the word 'morality' it cannot define, or cannot connect ti to life, organisms....it must only remain within the human.

Humanity = World....World = Humanity.
Humanity = God....God = Humanity.

The Modern Nihilists has not overcome 'god...has not 'murdered' the idea...he's baptised it....and given it a new name.
Moderns are reinventing everything from Judeo-Christianity to Marxism, by using language as if it had magical properties.
It says it in the bible - Logos.

Logos is omnipotent....if you can name it, it exists....if you can think it it is probable.
They are conveniently trapped in logos.
Even when they exit this esoteric realm they exit into a man-made realm...logos externalized.
They never dare leave the Matrix....they are psychologically institutionalized.
Code for 'domesticated'.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME GENE <> MEME - Page 6 EmptyThu Feb 21, 2019 5:28 pm

Jon Perry is describing genes to memes.


*Although 'school shooting' is not, in my view a 'meme' in the context that I use it.
School shootings, or any seemingly 'random' and 'senseless' events, are the by-products of memes, or how memes express themselves, in this case a virus-meme infecting a host-meme has a symptom these types of social events.

*Memes are mind-dependent.
They spread through semiotics/language.
Memes are extension of genes. They emerge out of the specific relationships evolved over centuries, between a genetic population and its environment.
They represent this relationship in the form of language, rituals, sexual norms, spiritual beliefs, ways of relating to reality etc.

*Religion is not automatically a virus....but some religions are viruses, and like biological viruses they replicate themselves through the host, whereas healthy spirituality accentuates the host's reproduction and does not inhibit it in order to replicate itself.
A meme that is in alignment with the host accentuates the host's functions they do not usurp or contradict them to replicate themselves, like a virus-meme would.
A virus-meme can infect the host with ideas that contradict the host's survival and its reproduction.

*A parasite/virus symbiont would be an independent host masking itself as belonging to another host's group, suing the virus to undermine the host.
So it may appear, and behave, as if it belonged to a group it would actually undermine the host it intestates by using a virus-meme to accentuate the process and the effectiveness of its parasitism.
A parasite/virus symbiont would actually be convinced that it was 'truly' a member of the host it was infesting, because self-deceit makes deceit more effective and efficient.
The individual representing the symbiont may be convinced that it was working for the interests of the host it was undermining and slowly killing; its every choice would be to promote the replication of the virus-meme at the expense of the host and its own interests.

*The 'random' mistakes that result in an innovation are the result of 'chaos' properly understood: not complexity but randomness.
Through cellular self-replication (mitosis) random mutations emerge, some of them detrimental to the host, but some offering a slight advantage which is then propagated across populations.
The same process manifests in memetic mutations through meme-replication. Through the 'transmission' of the meme from mind to mind environmental factors slightly modify the meme - random energies affecting the meme in the process of transmission and processing - so that the meme is slightly different in the new-host than it was in the old-host, transmitting it.
This is how ideologies evolve from a original into something that resembles it, sharing only a core number of principles, ideas, that are then manifesting differently.
The Nihilistic-meme is an example of such mutations becoming cancerous, unhindered by external factors as much as they would have been if they were exposed, outside a 'host'. The nihilistic-meme hides inside the host, to protect itself from reality, the world outside the organic boundaries of the host. this is why nihilistic-memes can survive while promoting ideas that have no meaning outside the host's mind. The ideas representing the virus-meme are impotent, nonsense that cannot survive outside a host, even while it is gradually undermining the host's survival and replication potentials.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME GENE <> MEME - Page 6 EmptyThu Feb 21, 2019 6:24 pm

If we isolate the nihilsitic-meme we can trace it back to its source and then understand why it was so viral.
In my view the nihilist-meme emerges as a defensive reaction to emerging self-consciousness, exposing the mind to concepts that produce anxiety/fear in it, i.e. how the individual compares to others, and how others perceive it - empathy.
Nihilism also projects into world ideas referring to abstractions that do not exist independently i.e. absolutes.
These absolutes offer the mind a relief from their anxiety/fear, so the memes are easily propagated from mind to mind, and through constant transmission they mutate: either due to random mutations occurring during transmission, or due to the host's particular pre-existing memes forcing the meme to adjust, or to be adjusted to the particularities of the new host.
Nihilism is the product of a defence mechanism, and so they can only exist in human brains, and they can only remain sensible and useful within them. They are totally useless and nonsensical outside, in reference to the world outside the brain/mind.

This is why we have so many variations of nihilism. Everything from the Abrahamic religions, rooted in Zoroastrianism, to secular forms such as political ideologies, like Marxism.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME GENE <> MEME - Page 6 EmptyThu Feb 21, 2019 8:03 pm

Some might think it ironic that the members of the parasitic symbiont responsible for the infection is, currently, advocates for a return to a previous point of 'health'.

People like Gad Saad, Rubin, Ben Shapiro, and Jordan Peterson.
An irony that is mirrored in anti-Communists neo-cons being 'children' of Trotsyism.

It's a paradox, an intellectual conundrum, a dissonance that identifies the source through its symptomatology.
We do not perceive a viral infection, the presence of disease, directly. We don't actually see the virus, or the cells infestation the host.
Parasites are easier to detect, though they sometimes hide their presence on a host, by trying to mix into its appearance - remaining as inconspicuous as possible.  
It's easier to detect the presence of disease through symptoms.

Paradoxes, and conundrums are a symptom.

If we identify the source, diagnosing the symptoms, then it all becomes clear.
A 'return' to a previous state, so as to avoid detection, or to escape once being detected, is to be expected.
Why are these individuals all part of particular genetic/memetic groups, and why do they all remain focused on sex and sexual dysphoria....or the insanity of post-modernity and its current identity-crisis symptomatology?

Why, for example are both Peterson and Jones antagonists belonging to different variants of Christianity?
Why has Catholicism become the source of the greatest resistance to this disease?
I can think, off the top of my had, of Jones and Crowder.
Why are both Peterson and Crowder famous for standing up to Feminism and sexual confusion, rooted in post-modernist ideology?
Why are there so many Jewish commentators speaking against this 'trend', when Abrahamism is the source?
A shard source, splintering into variants, that compete.
The debate remains on sexual issues....rarely, if ever, spilling over into race etc.

Has the disease exceeded its reach, and is currently 'correcting' itself, by returning to an earlier, more stable, tried and tested, position? Did it expose itself in the process, and is now wiggling back under cover?
Did it overestimate its own powers, due to its previous successes?
The only natural identifier that seems to be a barrier for further infection is in the area of male/female biological identifiers.
This is the arena where they come forth to pull the entire process back form the insanity it is producing.
Race, then homosexuality, but at this point when males can claim to be females trapped in male bodies and females trapped in male bodies, is where things have gone too far, exposing the 'logic' underlying the entire ideology.

The same 'reasoning' that claimed race was a social construct, and that defended homosexuality by inverting its own 'reasoning' is now unable to proceed in accordance with its own 'principles'.....because it is being exposed as what it is to even mediocre minds.
The masses are not yet ready for this step....they need to be primed with more edumucation and television and movies and pop-cultural indoctrination before the disease proceeds further.

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A parasite is so out of its element when pretending to belong to a host, that it cannot but expose itself, in subtle ways.
For example, paganism the spirituality of light, is converted to occultism and Satanism when adopted by an alien, asiatic gene-pool, and though it wears the outer appearance of the hosts it intestates it cannot help but reveal its true essence in the way it carries the garments it has put on to hide.
Through attitude and language use, through subtle nuance and lurid hyperbole, the imposter is exposed.
It cannot remain hidden; its nature must come forth one way or another.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME GENE <> MEME - Page 6 EmptyFri Mar 15, 2019 4:01 pm

Human memes are similar to the extent that humanity shares a common species heritage, and diverge, to the degree that specific populations evolved separately, within distinct environmental conditions, during which art, language and ideas that would becomes culture, began to form.

Therefore there is a common ground, to all cultures, concerning sex and violence, because the lowest-common-denominator is species identity. Divergence begins on the higher cognitive planes, where the particular genes interacted with particular environments, producing distinct relationships with existence that would becomes different cultures.
These distinctions follow racial and linguistic lines.
Not only appearance, shaped by environmental conditioning, but semiotics, expressing this relationship.

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We can use an extreme example to clarify what may be too subtle for most to perceive and/or accept.
Consider the psychosomatic differences between a Zulu and an Eskimo, evolved of thousands of years of genetic isolation - geographical distances and climatic boundaries.

Each evolved different physical and mental potentials, and its is present in their appearance - a difference in degree, average median potentials.
Their language and culture reflects this, because they evolved both physically and mentally, during this period, and in relation to the degree the environment stressed them, forcing them to adapt.
The Eskimo to a greater degree than the Zulu, who never left human primordial areas.

Language is a living fossil of history, and so it clearly differentiates genetic lines, as these evolved over large periods of isolation and environmental conditioning. Language represents the particular historical relationship of a tribe with its environment.
they can be used to track and trace human racial categories, no matter how Modern deny and dismiss them.  
Though presently race-mixing is occurring, blurring the physical lines, and reducing all to a median, language remains clear and distinct, because memes do not deteriorate nor can they be easily merged, because they leave a track that cannot be erased, particularly when the meme is more than orally shared but has a written component.
An Eskimo may learn Zulu, and even enjoy visiting them, but he can never embody the Zulu spirit, as this is reflects in Zulu culture, expressed though Zulu language, and the same holds true for a Zulu who becomes inspired by Eskimo culture.
A man can learn a language, appreciate a foreign culture, and still be unable to fully embody the spirit of the culture.

With the convolution of culture, and mixing, this is gradually eroded, and all individuals feel alienated from all cultures, forcing them to seek relief in substitutes, like chemicals, distractions, fashion, popular-culture.
Look at the plight of the American Negro, who no longer knows from where in Africa he is descended, and is, himself, of mixed blood. What is left for him but pop-culture, money, drugs, hedonism etc. He has no other way to create an identity. but it is shallow, and unable to give him the psychological support, so he behaves like all orphans do - they seek validation in strangers.

Genetic lines of divergence are distinguished by memetic lines - language being a meme's version of what DNA is for genes.
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There are memes so different as to contradict each other's world-view, i.e. Judaism & Hellenism. These have become the west's defining memes, struggling, mixing, creating intellectual dissonance.
Christianity tries to synthesize them by suing obscurantism, superstition and hypocrisy - Jesus became the symbol of this contradictory synthesis, and the narrative of his 'life' represents his 'rebirth as pure ideology, so as to deal with genetic disparity.  
You can admire, learn a language, adopt certain cultural rituals, practices, and still you cannot embody the culture, because a meme does not emerge out of nothing, but is an extension of a genetic continuum, and it reflects a history manifesting as a relationship of a specific people with a specific environment, even if the environment may have disappeared or been corrupted.
I can learn Inuit, visit them in their traditional homeland, live in accordance to their cultural norms and I still can never be an Inuit.

Life is about memory...and so genes/memes refer to memories - a continuum...a chain of causality, passed from parent to child.
What we refer to as 'latent' are memories that have not been triggered, or that work on a subconscious level where the individual may not even be aware of it.
Every experience is contained in a genome, and every historical event, that shaped a people, is contained, in some subtle way, in its culture, expressed in its language.

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The gene<>meme metaphor is clear.

Genetic categories, genetically based identities, extent, in space/time, as memes, i.e. ideologies, spiritual rituals, traditions, morals, values, everything under the umbrella of 'culture'.
Meme is the central code, the unifying memory, that does not come from nothing, but is an externalization of genetic memory, called DNA.

No single physical trait defines the genetic type: species, race, breed, kind....
It is identified by multiple traits and the inherited potentials, as well as the memetic extensions.
Yockey's definition of 'race', as "vertical", meaning spiritual.
The mind/body synthesis is referred to as 'spirit' and/or psyche.

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The sophistication of a gene/meme synthesis determines how many and on what level they can be integrated into a common identifier.
Less sophisticated memes permit more integration, replacing quality with quantity, starting from the lowest-common-denominator.
More sophisticated memes prohibit integration, but only superficial imitations and appreciations.
This is why the popular, whether it be in art or philosophy, is always a degradation, seeking the lowest, so as to integrate the most.
This also allows for hypocrisy to pretend sophistication - using obscurantism and occultism - insinuating sophistication so as to hide a basic low-denominator, through convoluted language and rearranging semiotic sequences, it implies that its emptiness hides a deeper substance, and that its confusion is really a cover for higher understanding. usually what substance is present is so base, and so 'self-serving' - primal - that it has to use these semantics to hide its intent and the baseness of its principles.
The rearrangement of linguistic conventions also implies a 'revolutionary' cocnept; an unforeseeable advancement in human thinking, when all it is is linguistic pretence.
The audience, desiring for an escape a change, will project into the unconventional language its own ideological utopia, and the baseness of the language, emptiness, will permit any projection to take root. Then it becomes a matter of which projection will serve the majority.  

A case of confusing complexity for randomness, or pretending that randomness, chaos, is really a cover for an underlying order.
We see this in modern fArt, particularly in what is called 'abstract'. Garbage insinuating a deeper wealth, which the audience must project into it, because it is not present. The fArtists simply insinuates, and allows the gullible impressionable fool to fill in what is absent, masking his true motive, which is profit, i.e. fame and fortune.
The insinuation usually takes the form of something basic - lowest-common-denominator - having to do with human needs/desires. The shallowness of the intent is compensated by the audience's projections of their personal and private needs and desires.  They see what they want to see, because the fArt is nonsensical, or simplistic, infantile, common - as common as possible.

Honest, sophisticated gene/meme synthesis does not allow for such manipulations and primal contrivances. It is exclusionary, and not inclusive. It clarifies rather than obscures, not permitting any interpretation to apply. It is obvious, not allowing foolish mind-games to exploit vagueness - masculine.
For this reason the Greeks never had any rules against competing gods and/or alien cultures. They assimilated what was useful, knowing that the inferior can only be integrated on its lowest stratum, leaving the higher unaffected - high culture.
This was partly its naivete, because the lowly eats away at the foundations toppling the structure, no mater how high it has reached. A termite can bring down a well-built house; vermin and parasites can eat away at a sophisticated organism.

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Hipsters, hippies, the counter-cultural, every generation has its own version of the same psychological type.
Especially in this age of sheltering, preserving and promoting the adolescent psychology, as a form of cultural retardation, these types are becoming....'cool'.  
Sex, drugs and rockn'roll, may replace the kinds of drugs and kinds of sex and the kinds of counter-cultural music represents this stunted development, but the underlying psychology remains the same.
Presently it's not rockn'roll but cRap, as the expression of anger against 'da man', that oppresses the emasculated man-child, like a parent a teenage boy & girl.
We know the type. He's the one still taking recreational drugs, as evidence of his enlightened coolness, or still promoting recreational fornication and sexual experimentation, or constantly quoting some avant guard intellectual, adopted by the hipster underground subculture as its iconic figure.
Nietzsche is, presently, a big one, but it can be any icon with a counter-cultural anti-establishment vibe, i.e. Crowley, Zappa, Marx, Trotsky, Watts ....Jesus was once a hipster icon promoting a different lifestyle through his 'revolutionary' world-view.

Especially in genetically/memetically heterogeneous systems, forced to integrate divergence under a uniformity 'ideology' the type flourishes as a reaction, to uniformity, that produces uniformity - irony, again, indicates the presence of dissonance between mind/body; evidence that some form of nihilism is in play.
And if I am right and nihilism is but the product of a self-consciousness, defensively compensating for an increasing self-awareness, then we can see how the hipster psychology is driven by the adolescent desire to stand-out, competing for its underlying need to fit-in, to find its place, its identity within the multiplicity.    

Hippies of the '60's are now retiring baby-boomers. A new generation of the same type is currently 'maturing', at a snail's pace, because the system does not permit maturation, but preserves retardation - where there is no pressure to evolve, evolution stagnates.
Make love not war, was their motto. The call of the emasculated man-child, wanting the world to stay 'young forever' to never grow up; seeking uniqueness in quirkiness, in feigned complexity.
The irony is that most are completely dependent on external authority figures, like the iconic figures they adopt as representatives of their 'superior coolness'.
It's part of a maturation process that is never finalized - retarded in its development towards adulthood, for many reasons already covered on this forum, but the biggest one is the absence of father-figures, or the presence of substandard father-figures, that do not promote the overcoming of themselves - as father-figures ought to - but impose, consciously or subconsciously, the idealization of adolescence, of never growing-up.

The irony of ironies consists in the psychological fact that those most often pretending to be strong, are the weakest; those most often pretending to be the smartest, are the more idiotic; those that pretend to be the most enlightened, are usually the most base; those pretending to be complicated are the simplest; those pretending to be the happiest, are usually the most miserable; and those pretending to be the 'coolest' are usually hiding the highest perturbation and internal turmoil.

Why do you think their music is usually so angry, and they must medicate themselves with drugs?
Art imitating life....no life imitating art, or in this case fArt.
All you need to know about an individual is what kind of art he/she likes, or wants to be associated with - this would include how he applies art, as in language, symbols. The art of self is on constant display. Popular art, or another's art is the idealized, often imitated, i.e. the image the individual wishes others would associate him with. The inner child, the private personae attempting to construct a public image, a social character.
Real contra Ideal or Gene contra Meme. A conflict that produces dissonance, if and when the two are not in harmony, not in balance.
fArt displays this dissonance in its angry confusion, its nonsensical imagery, its overt ugliness, like the hipster's choice of garment displays his desired idealized image of himself.

In an age of Nihilistic inversions, to be weak, is the new 'strong', to be stupid is the new 'genius', to be infantile is the new 'adulthood', and to be the eternal victim is the new predatory victimizer, a.k.a. Münchhausen Syndrome.
Everything is inverted, which is another way of saying that everything is linguistically altered, and semiotically confused, pretending to be 'advanced'.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME GENE <> MEME - Page 6 EmptyMon Mar 25, 2019 6:49 am

Memes are signalling; signs and symbols used to communicate information.
Most forms of communication are unconscious and automatic, such as pheromones signalling, or plant signalling other plants, or self-handicapping which is a signalling of sexual quality. Other signals are more proactive, requiring a wilful component.
There are also multi-level signalling, mostly in language, i.e. semiotics, where the message is overt, carrying with it covert signals unbeknownst to the signaller.  
What McLuhan describe in the phrase, "medium is the message"....
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In the case of language it's binary structure is a message signalling a specific kind of thinking, i.e. either/or dualities.

Virtue signalling they've called the practice of identifying yourself as a member of a specific ideological group, with specific memetic principles.
The signal sends the message that the individual is part of a group, and not of another group, an important signal in a world of heterogeneous cohabitation.
We cannot identify our in-group using physical traits, so we must identify ourselves to it, through noetic means.
Virtue signalling exposes self as belonging to a specific memetic kind, so that it is recognized and acknowledged.

There are other types of signalling, such as alarm calls.

Below is a howler monkey alarm call.

The alarm call immediately exposes the individual to the source of his distress, so it involves a certain degree of risk.
Scientists wondered why this would evolve.
The solution came in altruism, and identification with a shared genes. The increase in risk is compensated by an increase in group survivability.  

In humans, using language, the alarm is part of discourse. It takes the form of trigger words indicating the presence of a 'threat'.
The memetic alarm call identifies the individual as belonging to a specific memetic-group, but also warns those of its own kind that a threat is present, or a member of an opposing, threatening memetic group.

Some popular forms of memetic alarm signalling are: help rape etc....the typical generic type, but then there are more memetically specific alarm calls like homophobe, xenophobe, racist, Nazi, bigot, Commie etc.
The alarm has a multi-purpose function. It shames, casting an accusation, similar to a gazelle seeing a lion approach in the grass,
...the signal also alerting its own group of an impending threat, gathering them to flee or fight.
The fight/flight response is automatically triggered.
The medium is the message. The tone, crescendo, duration of the vocalization sending specific information.
Vocalizations are usually defensive, because a predator, or when the intent is to engage, is always silent, ergo we say 'never fear a barking dog'.
Barking is also a defensive alarm call, indicating a desire to not engage an incoming threat, and a call for aid from an in-group, who must muster to fight off the threat.

Ergo feminine psychology is verbose, talkative, constantly sharing and sending signals, communicating all kinds of information with the in-group - females developing linguistic skills faster, and using them with more artistry.
The Spartan more masculine type identified with fewer words more depth of meaning. The 'quiet type' is still identified as a masculine spirit, associated with a predator's need to remain inconspicuous, because its intent is to engage - it is physical, active.

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The only way a meme that contradicts genes, can usurp and overpower them is by redirecting and venting their accumulating energies.
An individual awakening to his genetic quality, in comparison to others and in relation to world, is seduced by an ideology that offers him relief.

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Feminization of Mankind, implies a emasculation of the gene/meme synthesis, displayed through its relationship with the unknown, indifferent, fluctuating world beyond the mind/body synthesis.
Language turns inward, becoming increasingly vague, esoteric, referring only to humans and humanity - a self-referential, over-socialization, using emotion to validate itself.
This solipsism, is a form of psychological cocooning, a re-turning into the womb, all becomes a reference and deference to other human minds, to collectives, to psychosomatic criteria, to mental/physical reactivity, i.e. emotionalism, sensationalism, pleasure, etc.
Art, including language, is warped by this focus - it increasingly becomes vague, insinuating, obscure, tending towards the twilight world of obscurantism, describing hypothetical existences in the darkness, converting its anxiety/fear into an intimate new-found understanding based no reinterpreting memories, data, stored in memory.
Everything is governed by an underlying social pretence, jostling for position in the middle- the centre of the organic flesh-storm of churning bodies, seeking the mediocre centre, the 'eye of the storm' to settle and reflect on the swirling wall of organic matter - a proverbial womb, outside the womb; social status becomes decisive, i.e. popularity, admiration, becoming a idol, an iconic figure rising on the raised pedestal of mediocrity, to stand apart and yet remain comfortably within, ensconced and entombed, wonderfully buried and awaiting the 'sign' to be reborn a 'god-idol' emerging, like a phoenix, from the mundane masses that gestated you, fed you in your vulnerable fragility, inflating you to supernatural dimensions. The ego soars, leaving the body behind, mind transcending its corporeal limitations, it is reborn, as a messiah after his worldly execution.  
The god-king is beyond 'good and evil' beyond all earthly categories - sex, race, are all meaningless to its rebirth as pure idea/ideal, as pure symbol, a simple utterance, a whispered word.
All stand in awe at the image, inspiring them with its example - the god-idol gives them hope and courage with his image - they too can become free.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME GENE <> MEME - Page 6 EmptySat Apr 20, 2019 7:40 pm

A meme is an extension of genes - an externalization of esoteric processes evolved over centuries representing the (inter)actions between a genetic population, i.e. species, race, tribe, with a particular environment, i.e., geography, climate, geological and historical events etc.
The transference of a meme to an alien population, via symbols/language, has the same corruptive effects as the translatability of an organ from one to another body, in this case the transplanting of an ideology from one to another mind.
First the donor must be compatible with the recipient, i.e., share an inherited past, establishing potentials; second, even if compatibility si present, the recipient must be helped with external medications, affecting its natural autoimmune system, so as to not reject the transplanted organ and/or idea/ideal; third, even if successful the recipients mind/body will morph the transplant to accord with its own genetic/memetic processes.

In all cases the transplanting of genetic and/or memetic memories - because genes and memes are essentially memories - is as successful as the compatibility between donor and recipient - the degree of divergence will determine the degree the transference will succeed or will requires a warping of the original donor's memories.
With extreme incompatibility the recipient will have to continuously compensate for the continuous incompatibility, and the transplanted genes/memes will be warped in proportion to the incompatibility - expressed as dissonance.
Impregnation, in accordance to heterosexual reproductive methods - displays how the alien spermatozoa and the ensuing foetus must be protected by 'hiding' it from the mother's automated autoimmune system, enduring the process only for a short period before the embryo is expelled in a successful birth, or expunged as a unsuccessful attempt.

Christianity is a case in point.
Its the final result of the transmutation of Hellenism through Judaism - a Roman's sperm, via  Jewess' ovum - represented in the half-breed Jesus, i.e., icon of this incompatibility, masking itself in 'divine intervention'.
Christianity is the theoretical product of a incompatible selective transplanting, requiring constant interventions to prevent 'rejection' and death.  
The icon had to die and be reborn as idea/ideal, to hide the incompatibility.

Nihilistic ideologies bury dissonance in obscurantism, validated by occultism. In this way they hide the irrational within seemingly rational constructs.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME GENE <> MEME - Page 6 EmptySun Apr 21, 2019 7:19 am

Jesus, a half-breed Jew, became the idol where two incompatible world-views, i.e., Judaism and Hellenism synthesized.
But it wasn't Jesus that invented Christianity but became the icon/idol, through which Saul, a true Jew warped Hellenic cosmopolitanism, establishing a collectivist Church, in the name of Jesus who was against all organized spirituality.
The word 'love' was the idealized form the incompatible synthesis took - through obscurantism the disharmonious, the incompatible, is forces into a artificial, theoretical, idealized synthesis. The icon/idol becomes the covering in which dissonance is given a harmonious label - a covering to bury it within.

The same occurred with another half-breed Karl Marx. Through him the dissonance he inherited from his Jewish mother and German father produced Communism, another warping of Hellenic cosmopolitanism.  
Both antithetical to Hellenism is that there cosmopolitanism was not globalization, nor proselytizing, nor anti-life, anti-natural identifiers.
A Greek did not believe his Hellenism was a ideology to be accepted by all mankind, nor did it attempt to deny and negate the body, so as to promote the mind where synthesis between contradictions was possible, in theory.
Both used a binary good/evil, i.e., God/Satan, sinner/saint, proletariat/capitalist, good/evil to simplify the fluctuating complexities into into simplistic dualities, meant to attract simpletons and desperate souls the world over; both proposed anti-biological-family, anti-tribal, anti nature ideologies, seducing the same types of psychologies.

Jesus buried his own internal dissonance in a idealization of an emotion, i.e., love; in Marx the dissonance was resolved with the idealization of resources, i.e., money.
In both the contradictions are dissolved in theory, through an icon/idol, i.e., Messiah 'healing', correcting, absolving harmonizing the incompatible - the counter-intuitive fluctuating chaos/order of cosmos merges in an intuitive icon/idol, given the name universe.
With it the modern can believe he is a freethinker, a unique bohemian poor-spirit, while at the same time denying free-will; he can be collectivist while claiming, and being convinced of remaining a staunch individualist; he can claim to be an atheist while submitting to an absolute concept he describes as omnipotent, omniscient and so on.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME GENE <> MEME - Page 6 EmptyTue Apr 23, 2019 3:29 pm

The gene/meme sequence is inverted with Nihilism.
Genetics come after-the-fact, not before it, as they do with realists, i.e., genes are secondary, not primary.  
First comes the 'word', i.e., logos, the symbol.....not after. The word is primary - the idea/ideal.
Genetics can be sacrificed for the sake of the ideology....the 'spirituality', as they call it.

Does not matter what you do to your genetics, as long as the meme survives.
Its distinctly matrilineal. It doesn't matter who the father is, but only who the mother is. For the Indo-Europeans it is the male who gives birth, not the female - she simply carries to term - enduring, becoming a means.
Why do you think single-mother 'families' are becoming the norm, or why they do not mind miscegenation?
Why do you think they can change their names, like females often do, and mix with the host to acquire its outer appearance?

Why do you think it was Abraham who was willing to slaughter his own son, or why he was willing to offer his wife to become a Pharaoh concubine, or why Jesus took the Apostles away from their families, or why Joseph did not mind if Mary had a son by another male.
The entire ideology is emasculating....all the way to Marxism. This is why they are good with words, using them to insinuate and imply, but never deliver....a distinctly feminine attribute.  

Because none of this affects the meme, i.e., the noumenon......the ideology.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME GENE <> MEME - Page 6 EmptyTue Apr 23, 2019 7:35 pm

Indo-Europeans, i.e., pagans, begin with the gene and advance towards the meme - they are Bottom<>Up spirits.
Nihilism, and the current Afro-Asiatic tribes promoting it, begin with the eme and advance towards the gene - they are Top<> down Spirits.
For this reason they do not care if they shame or degrade or dilute their bloodlines....all that matters, above all else is the survival of the meme - they are the representation of the idea/ideal rather than the idea/ideal representing them.
They will do anything in order for their meme to propagate and continue.

For the Indo-Europeans the meme is an extension of the gene, and so without a genetic foundation there is no memetic extension.
For the Nihilist, Afro-Asiatic, the meme takes precedence and the gene is but an extension of it.
Diluting, degrading the gene is secondary if it promotes and propagates the meme.

They are the manifestation of the meme - the idea/ideal.....they are entirely theoretical, a concept, a noumenon.
This is what they mean by 'spirit' - defines as idea/ideal cleansed of all tangible, corporeality...all physicality. Divine they call this abstraction, because an idea is always pure, complete, whole, perfect, as long as it remains idea.
They will not or dare not, apply it, forcing them to make excuses rather than question the validity of their chosen ideal. they make excuses not to apply it....and hide its validation in esoteric obscurantism where nobody can test and expose it for what it is.
words are all they have....art....fArt. Symbols and words, i.e., semiotics.
The idea fails if it is applied...so they need to preserve its "pristine sanctity," or use a proxy through which to test it. This always leads to disaster....causing the demise of the infested proxy....that's when they adjust, adapt, and move to a new proxy, i.e., host.

This is what happened with Christianity, Marxism.....and is now attempted with Nietzsche.
The latter is a nemesis they must incorporate into their next application, before they try again to reinvent Christianity for the masses.
A New Age crypto-Christianity that will not, of course, be called that, no keep the iconography and logos of the previous incarnation.
It will be renamed and the imagery changed....new words, new symbols, new idols and icons....replacing Jesus, for insurance, and the crucifix.
Just as the srmon's of Jesus were corrupted by Saul, so too Nietzschean aphorisms against Abrahamism will be twisted into supporting arguments, of a new and improved version, keeping the same concepts intact...like the absolute....reincarnation....eternal life....the one-God, implying the same slavishness, hidden beneath metaphors and allegories....the same herd psychology, masked as vigour, power, salvation....appreciation...love.....etc.
The same semiotic triggers used to seduce and manipulate the same psychologically immature and feeble masses.
They don't care about integrity, nobility...all they care is power - the meme's power, at the expense of them and the masses.
There is nothing they will not stoop to....no degradation, no self-destructive practice they will not perform....all that matters is the survival of the meme, at all costs.


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There are no 'alpha males' in heterogeneous social unities, like Modernity.
The abstraction, the ideology, holds the monopoly (dominion) of the alpha male status - females intuitive know this - they do not lucidly understand it, but they feel it, as females, children and effete males are wont to do.
There is a difference between genetic and memetic alpha status.
An apparent male may have the physical signals of alpha status and be memetically emasculated; a male may have no alpha male physical traits and still be memetically dominant.
To simplify it fort eh girls, a male may be tall dark and handsome and still be a total and complete cunt....and a male may be fat bald, short and ugly and have the mind of a king.
This is the dissonance woman, children, and emasculated effete men-children do not understand, because they still function under natural environments where the physical and the mental are or must be in relative harmony...but this is not the case in sheltering, artificial human environments.
In manmade environment, maintained by manmade interventions, a male may appear alpha and be an omga, and/or appear to be am omega and be an alpha.
The reason is the same as I always have said and I repeat....the dissonance between genes and memes, as these are cultivated within human memetic interventions.

This is we can have 'warriors' such as military special forces being populated by completely effete, feminine psychologies, and it is also why the ones who rise to the top of modern socio-economic systems are males who are a bit feminine...if not males dominated by their feminine side.

The reason can be encapsulated by a fact that I've repeated often enough.....the system, the institutions the only masculine entity that can be tolerated in Modern systems - the idea....the concept, the ideology, the institution.
For a biological male to rise in status he must display a level of emasculation that is non-threatening to the only masculine entity permitted.....the ideology the institution.  
So, to become a figurehead of masculinity you must display a level of emasculation that contradicts the representational role - irony of ironies - to attain the right to pretend to be masculine you must, first, be as effete as possible.
Who rises to the top and gains popular acknowledgement?
The one who is the least threatening to as many imbeciles and castrated fags as possible, i.e., the biggest man-whore, gains the status of pretending to be a representation of the only masculine entity that can be tolerated by the masses of effete males and men-children, women and children who vote.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME GENE <> MEME - Page 6 EmptyThu Apr 25, 2019 5:26 pm

Why does Abrahamism, Marxism, and Judaism appeal to so many?
Why does it have sway over the hearts and minds of women and men-children?
Because it uses the same methods and is driven by the same psychology.

Of course Abrahamism will be popular and have a larger following...it is meant to seduce the infantile, the womanly, the ill, the degenerate, the retarded, the idiotic, the cowardly.....in other words the majority.
In a Democracy it will always win the most votes....because quantities usurp qualities; because the weak and ill, and desperate, and cowardly, will always be more then the brave and noble; because subjectivity is easy and comfortable,, whereas objectivity demands strength, clarity, and courage.
To believe in lies is easy....to accept truths is damn hard - because genius is rare and idiocy is ubiquitous; because cowardice is common and bravery is uncommon; because degenerate mud is everywhere, and gold nuggets are buried in it - be weary of fools-gold.
Teach yourself to discern differences and not to easily succumb to similarities.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME GENE <> MEME - Page 6 EmptySun Apr 28, 2019 7:02 pm

Modern degenerates can be placed in two distinct groups, part of their either/or binary 'logic', founded on an absent absolute that they just cannot let go of.

They either think its all physical, i.e, genetic, physical (nature as god) - we see this clearly in the idea of no free-will - or they think its all spiritual, i.e., memetic, of the mind (man as god) - we see it clearly in the idea of semiotics expressing man's divine power, i.e., absolute free-will.

They cannot synthesize genes/memes into a continuum where meme is but an extension of genes, which then produce genetic effects.
This is clear in their conception of race. Race is either all physical, or it is entirely psychological, cultural.
The idea that European is not only about looking white, but also thinking in a particular way, is something they try to dismiss, even while some of them can only think in spiritual terms, i.e., in entirely theoretical, magian ways.
To be a European is not only about pigmentation or hair...it's also about spirit....spirit meaning mind, and not some mystical obscurantist concept.


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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME GENE <> MEME - Page 6 EmptyMon Apr 29, 2019 9:22 am

A Nihilistic meme - i.e., ideology, dogma, spirituality, theory, concept - is an idea/ideal that is entirely logos based.
It has no connection to interactivity, physicality, the body, i.e., the tangible, the corporeal, the perceived as present, interpreted as appearance.
The degree to which it is unrealistic, or anti-realistic, is a measure of its Nihilism.

So any ideology, spiritual or secular, scientific or religious, that validates itself using esotericism, obscurantism or noumena with no references to phenomena, is Nihilistic.
It is symbol/word detached from reality - pure theory. this is what they call 'divine': that which is pure idea/ideal, i.e., entirely logo-centric, word-based.
Spirit refers to mind - Abrahamic one-god is a mental construct...entirely. An abstraction....an idea/ideal with an icon/idol representing it.

Most of the time it is validates by sensation, intuition, emotion - primal impulses that remain incomprehensible because they spontaneously arise from within - automated reactions to reality.
Nihilism is pure meme....with no genetic, no physical, no material foundation - no substantiality, no presence.
it's always out there, in there, in the immanent future, the beyond space/time, and/or occult.

Indo-Europeans, including the Romans and ancient-Greeks, are the antithesis of this.
They identified not only as an traditino based on ideology, ideas, but as race - genetics.
Genes to Memes, not memes to genes, and not memes with zero genetic foundation.

A European is not someone who lives in a geographical area, adopting the beliefs and practices of the people there - the culture; its not only about appearances, because these can be imitated and fabricated.
It is spiritual and tangible....the tangible taking precedence over the spiritual, just as mind emerges from brain, from body - just as presence is a manifestation of precedence, of past, it is past made present, and then interpreted as appearance.
But appearance can be fabricated and the interpretation can be wrong....lost in interpretation. This has no effect on what is present; what is presence.



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After centuries of memetic corruptions of genetic principles a reboot is necessary.
A re-turn to the foundation, to the gods, i.e., natural order.
A return to cleans our minds from the warping of ideas, through linguistic corruption.
Nieatzsche's 'transvaluation of values' is the reassessment of memetic values, i.e., culture modifications and applications of natural processes.
We are at a point in history - in the west - when the accumulated mutations have led to impasses of their own making.
All words are losing meaning, and we cannot find the source because it is buried beneath accumulated causes, lost in time.
One error compounding into multiple errors, and because man has effectively taken himself out of natural order the natural method of dealing with unfit mutations is no longer applicable - the price has been postponed and it is now reaching a point where the entire edifice is about to collapse.

Preserving what remains valuable requires its identification. We identify it by how it relates to the world outside human societies, cultures, i.e., memes.
A return to the Olympian gods is a metaphor for a return to the foundations in genetics, i.e., physical reality, natural selection, biology, everything and anything that does not require man to exist and to persist; everything that pre-existed man's emergence and will continue after he is gone, or overcome.
Back to basics...Bottom<>Up.
Every words we think we understand we must reaffirm using this technique - beyond conventional use we must define the words in ways that refer to observable phenomena - a return to the gods.

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An example to shed light on the process of linguistic corruption (i.e., nihilism) must be sought in the immediate past, before the compounding effects bury it in historical time and conventional prejudices.

At some point after the debunking of the Abrahamic one-god, humanity was defined in a way that replaced the concept. The word acquired a mystical aura, no longer referring to tangible observable phenomena, such as species and reproduction, but becoming ideology, i.e., Nihilistic.
'Sanctification' is the detachment of words from their original references in world, and just like the word 'god' was sanctified by Abrahamics, the word 'humanity' becomes an ideological concept with mystical divine  allusions.
When this is established as 'fact' among the populations - when the new meaning becomes part of conventional use - the next step of denying the substantial of the concepts male/female becomes part of its self-referential 'logic' - referring to conventional use with its nuanced modification.
if this proceeds for a generation or two the original meaning is lost in time, and how the corruption occurred cannot be traced - it can in fact be denied, claiming that it has always been defined in the corrupted way.

We are now entering a Dark Age characterized by mass confusion - [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] have lost meaning because most are not detached from reality, and corrupted from their original use.
Western man is buried in meaninglessness - the end phase of a civilization - the language used eroded over decades of corruptive modifications.
Man has lost confidence in his won senses - he no longer believes what appears - and is now losing respect for his own mind, through the misuse and abuse of language.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME GENE <> MEME - Page 6 EmptyWed May 29, 2019 8:03 am

The first, preliminary and necessary step is to understand that something does not magically come out of nothing.
We must avoid being pulled into a metaphysical discussion about how this is possible.
Causality....which does not necessarily have to include absolute order, i.e., absolute predictability, repeating the same patterns ad infinitum, like a movie that simply repeats into infinity - randomness, the proper definition of the concept called 'chaos', provides a valid escape from this description of comforting madness.
Things repeat, but never in absolutely the exact same way; in cosmic time.

Once this step is accepted and taken, we've stepped out of the Abrahamic realm of 'words come first', into reality where the actions come first - as Goethe believed, and I concur - and words emerge to refer to them.
From this we can move into re-establishing connections between nuomena and phenomena - between the mind that emerges from world, and not the Magian ideology where mind creates world, or world emerges from a cosmic mind, i.e., god - the inversion of sequences characteristic of Nihilism, in general.

Therefore, life emerges within world, and not world within life, i.e., memes emerges as extinctions of genes.
Proper definitions are necessary - not arbitrarily and subjectively imposed, but by using the tangible, corporeal, empirical as a foundation - keeping in mind that there are no absolutes so no absolute certainty is possible - only a moron would claim to have absolute proof, offering absolute convictions to desperate degenerates.
Everything is judged as a measure of degree, i.e., superior and/or inferior, more or less probable, better worse, more rational less rational etc.
Judgement itself is the process - the action - of evaluating a phenomenon in relation to an objective - this is what instils value. Our motive, here, is to come as close as possible to the real, i.e., clarity, objectivity.
If your objective is something else, like escaping the real, finding pleasure, finding relief, getting laid, or whatnot....then get the fuck out of my thread. Go and play with yourself, and your mates, elsewhere.
I have no patience, in my old age, with fools, women and children....especially when they offer nothing in return but annoyance.

Genes = sum of memories/experiences, transmitted from body to body, via the medium of matter arranged into sequences, i.e., DNA.
Meme = sum of all memories, transmitted from mind to mind via the medium of semiotics arranged into sequences, i.e., words, sentences.

The latter is a sophistication of the former - a technology if technology is properly defined and understood.
Technique/Technology = the externalization of the mind's understanding of itself - i.e., its awareness and comprehension of its mind/body synthesis - via a medium such as stone, metal, electricity, air, etc. - e.g., a computer is a machine - technology - based on man's knowledge and understanding of his brain's processes, externalized, via plastics, glass, metals, electricity. So a computer is a representation of man's comprehension of his own brain's methods and processes.

This is exactly what language is - it is a technology, i.e., a vocal and then written, externalization of man's understanding and knowledge of his own abstractions - ideas/ideals, concepts, feelings etc.
Language is an art, and art is a technique/technology.

Genes and Memes are limited by translation....if the receiving mind cannot process the data, or the receiving body cannot process the fertilizing spermatozoa, nothing gestates - nothing is transmitted.
Therefore, both genes and memes are restricted not only by the projectors field of effect, but also the receivers essence, determining its potential to process the transmission, triggering organic processes that imitate those that occurred in the transmitters mind/body - yet, the reviver has evolved the automated defensiveness to reject all alien incoming genes/memes.....ergo with every transmission some corruption - i.e., mutation - occurs.
The receiving mind, like the female's body, must be programmed to self-deceive, to hide the alien essence of the incoming spermatozoa and data,so as to prevent the rejection of the incoming data - memories.
The degree of self-deception determined by the degree of genetic/memetic similarity.

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The sum of all genes is what manifests as what we call an Organism - different sums, in different sequences, in different quantities, determine different types of organic life, i.e., species.
It's all a matter of degree.

The same applies to memes - as the sum of all data, i.e., memories, manifesting as what we call a SuperOrganism -  different sums, in different sequences, in different quantities, determine different types of super-organic life, i.e., culture. in the case of memes they are an extension - technology - a projection of the pre-existing genetic foundation.
A specific meme emerges from a specific genetic configuration, as this evolved and related to a specific environment.

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Churchill, Winston wrote:
The empires of the future are the empires of the mind.
We've entered into a memtic world - not organic but SuperOrganic.

'War like no Other' - Nebulous Warfare - not Hot, not Cold War, but a Frigid War. A war predominately fought on a memetic level - a feminine kind of conflict.

The sides divided and identified by ideology - through art, i.e. semiotics.

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