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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME GENE <> MEME - Page 8 EmptyTue Oct 22, 2019 10:35 am

Nihilistic meme rejects past as manifested as presence - interpreted s appearance.
Nihilistic meme must remain abstract, obscure, theoretical, to remain "perfect" - in time it may buy into its own delusions and wish to apply it, which always results in failure which explained by accusing others - playing the victim. Another option is to self-deceive by contradicting its own principles - adjusting to reality as it believes it is negating reality.
This is how Narcissism & Schizophrenia are by-products of "positive nihilism". A nihilism so positive, so certain, that it must apply its ideological principles, which are contradicted by reality - it then must compartmentalize, so as to remain convinced of an ideology it cannot practice.

The Sociopath/cynic is the by-product of "pure nihilism", eventually becoming disillusioned with the previous it dismisses all theories as being equally idealistic.
It's narcissism, convinced that the error is in the world, becomes cynicism, placing the blame on the ideology - all of them. Laughter, ridicule is how it dismisses all ideologies - hates authority - as a redirected self-hatred, despising one or both parents.
Comedy is its defence. It can annul all ideologies, finding flaws to ridicule. There is no absolute, therefore all is absolutely negative - negated.
Disillusionment with "positive nihilism" leads to the "maturity and courage" of "pure nihilism".
Either/Or. Binary. If not absolute one - singularity - then absolute nil - nothingness; if not a perfect, immutable, indivisible, complete, immortal, eternal, omnipotent/omniscient, certain, Being, god, then nothing is so, and it, nothingness, can never disappoint because its negative power is certain.
It negates all human ideas/ideals. Easily and consistently...because all ideas/ideals fail to be absolutely perfect.

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Meme intervenes upon genes with the ideal.
All genetics and genetically based behaviours are now warped by the ideal - ideology - which redirects and re-evaluates them.
The ideal is the projected goal in the form of a standard that usurps nature to one degree or another.
Nihilism is the complete reversal and replacement of nature by the ideal. It replaces nature as a standard with a noetic abstraction which is contrary to nature.

Not all ideals are equally contrary to nature, ergo not all ideals are nihilistic.

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If we include the factor of memetic dissonance to the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] of disparate DNA, we get a recipe for [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] and the Desperation it is likely to produce.

Mixed races within mixed cultures, creates confusion, and confusion - lostness - is where superstitions flourish; mental and physical diseases flourish.
Mixed memes which are contrary - like Hellenism and Judaism - can only be dealt with by metropolitanization - schizophrenia - covered over, concealed, by obscurantism, mysticism, occultism.
A combination of mixed DNA - between extremely disparate genetic lines - and of mixed ideologies - between disparate world-views - may produce a form of insanity.
The first are more likely to adopt some form of the second, as a way of justifying its own existence.

Nihilistic ideologies, like the US's culture-of-no-culture, will be attractive to them. Their confused dissonance finding its place in ideological detachment.
Mind/Body dissonance will always side with the mind - so ideologies that negate the physical, in some way, will always be attractive to such mixed-up groups.

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McLuhan, Marshall wrote:
Everybody experiences far more than he understands. Yet it is experience, rather than understanding, that influences behaviour.

The body’s automated reactions overriding and remaining more efficient than the brain’s slower processing.

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McLuhan, Marshall wrote:
The mark of our time is its revulsion against imposed patterns.
Foreign memes imposed upon incompatible genes, are experienced as alien intrusions. The organism’s autoimmune systems kick-in, and nausea is experienced as an attempt to rid the unity of the strange intruder.

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Nietzsche, Friedrich wrote:
All things are subject to interpretation whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth.
And all interpretations are not equal, each founded no a set of beliefs and judgements that produce consequences in opposition to the interpreter's expectations, because each interpretation is of an interpreted objective reality in constant fluctuation and reorganization, indifferent to how it is being appreciated and/or interpreted.
Every interpretation produces judgements and evaluations that may lead to choices, or, at the very least, remain theoretical, affecting all subsequent interpretations.

Power is yielded, as the product of a sequence of accurate interpretations.
One error in the sequence and the power is phantasmal....ready to collapse when it is tested in real-world environments - remaining viable as a probability that has never been applied, but only shared.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME GENE <> MEME - Page 8 EmptyMon Nov 11, 2019 11:41 am

Confusing genetic categories - identities - with memetic categories, is part of nihilism.
Not only confusing the two, in all context, from identity to morality, but inverting the sequence, i.e., inverting gene to meme, into meme to gene.
Not an arbitary sequence.....but based on history....life emerges and then language evolves...and not like the Abrahamic corruption of logos, and their 'first there was the word...' crap.
Nihilism reduces all into an ideology - all is a meme, with no genetic foundations; all are words, referring to more words; all is ideology.
Even genetic, natural, categories, like male/female.
It's all in the mind.
Nothing is genetically determined....behavioural. Everything is taught, indoctrinated, trained.

Ergo, even species behaviour is memetically determined and trained.
But this is ridiculous, so they have to explode all other species to claim man as distinct....the only species where this "memetic rule" applies.  

Nihilism is basically a claim - a defensive declaration - that declares all divergence as based no training - so bad judgements can be educated and converted to good judgements - Marxism in a nutshell.
While you cannot educate a chimpanzee to become a human, you can edumucate a Negro to become like a European.
Imitation works wonders...even chimpanzee show an adeptness to mimic...but it isn't innate. the performance lasts only as long as there's a controller there to enforce the imitation.
We see this in African countries that "liberate themselves" from European colonialism.  They destroy themselves in a matter of a couple of generations, if not less.

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Distinguishing genes from memes will distinguish naturally evolved moral behaviour, from the Ten Commandments, or social ethical codes of conduct, that shape and direct and corrupt the previous.

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Yes...a meme in relation to the world - idea in relation to the real - exposes the genetic foundations that hold it to be 'true'; beliefs expose the relationship of the genes (past, precedent) with the real world (interactive, dynamic), via the memes (ideas/ideals).
Disharmony between meme and world, or ideology and reality, exposes a defensive insecurity, vulnerability....in the form of resentment, rejection, negation.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME GENE <> MEME - Page 8 EmptySun Nov 17, 2019 8:24 am

They overlook the fact that the majority of the flat earthers are either devoutly Christian, or have some religious leaning. God ordained that blessed "firmament of waters and land be divided" and thus the seed of flat earth theory was planted in mans brain to become a future reckoning force in modernity, and God saw that it was good.
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Kvasir wrote:
They overlook the fact that the majority of the flat earthers are either devoutly Christian, or have some religious leaning. God ordained that blessed "firmament of waters and land be divided" and thus the seed of flat earth theory was planted in mans brain to become a future reckoning force in modernity, and God saw that it was good.
The meme shapes the brain....by atrophying parts and cultivating other parts.
It determines the use of language, and language exposes how the mind works, i.e., how the mind interprets reality.

Christianity on the brain makes one more prone to fall for Marxism, and absolutist philosophies.
Christianity entraps him/her in absolutism and nihilism.
Flat earthers suffer from this brain atrophy. once you've accepted one ideology that contradicts and negates the experienced real world, then it can accept any substitute that does the same.
In fact, it is unable to endure with reality, having never engaged it.

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An example of how the meme can also be selfish.....and if it is parasitical, it will act (choose, behave, judge) in ways that destroys the ghost but also itself - but this is part of its reproduction cycle.

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There's a reason why Hellenes - and Indo-Europeans - inherit identity patrilineally, and why Jews inherit theirs matrilineally.
It has to do with the gene<>meme relationship, corresponding to real/nature<>ideal/culture.
It will clarify the symbolic role of Jesus, or of a male born to a Jewish mother seeded by a Pagan father - some say Roman legionnaire.  
Now consider what the symbolism of a hypothetical anti-Christ would be, by adjusting the gender relationships, remaining within the Abrahamic paradigm where the idea of a 'Christ' has meaning.

Understand this and you will gain insight into how Nietzsche used the term in 'The Anti-Christ', and why he remained within the paradigm when he called himself a 'nihilist'.
Whether it was intentional or it was because he could not escape the shadow of his own father - representative of his environment - is inconsequential.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME GENE <> MEME - Page 8 EmptyTue Nov 26, 2019 4:48 pm

If we study the strategy of an actual parasite - genetically based - then we can transfer this same strategy to a memetic-parasite.  

The first thing to consider is how the parasite needs to conceal itself, by pretending it is part of the host it infests. Fooling the host's autoimmune system is easier if the parasite absorbs and integrates the host's DNA into itself. Already cross-contamination is evident in the survival and reproductive strategy of the intruder.
A memetic equivalent would achieve this not only by integrating itself into the DNA of the host ethnos but by adopting its art, language, everyday habits, its fundamental principles, its moral codes and so on, as part of its concealment.
If we keep in mind the inverted method of inheriting identity between the typical host and the parasite than we can see why it evolved it as part of its concealment strategy.

It is obvious that each host necessitates a different concealment. Therefore each infested host requires a specialized form of the parasite to remain undetected.
The parasite morphs and adapts itself to the host it is infesting.
The parasite's affect on the host, shapes the host, and its adaptation to the host, changes the parasite.
Therefore, Christianity emerges and then Marxism, and then post-modernism, as by-products of this cross-contamination.

Nihilism is the weakness being exploited. A defensiveness to cope with an increasing sense of insecurity and vulnerability leaves the host open to exploitation and infestation.  
The disease takes hold among the most vulnerable and insecure members of a host....and so Marxism takes hold among the poor and Christianity among the slaves and the desperate and the ill; and where does post-modernity take hold? Among the sheltered and atrophying; the lost and the degenerate; the young and the addicted - among the young and disenfranchised - by-product of decades of easy comfortable living cultivating boredom and decadence, producing a generation of hippies seeking an epiphany in chemicals and in exotic ideologies and in hedonism.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME GENE <> MEME - Page 8 EmptyWed Nov 27, 2019 6:32 am

The parasite never produced any art of note. Nothing about its relationship with the natural environment, after it transformed into a memetic-parasite, because it never engaged reality directly but always through a proxy host
All it did was appropriate the art of the host it infested, and added its own parasitical experiences and victim identity to it.

It's advantage was that it carried in memory the ideas it appropriated from every host it infested and was expelled from. building a collection it could draw inspiration from.
Every host it infested and was expelled from, contributed to the parasite's development through time.
This is where its character as 'miser' comes from. A hoarder and collector of wealth it does not produce but appropriates parasitically.

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The parasite's art is about its environment - corruption of the perceptions of its host, undying decay of its host.
Appropriating, only because it can only see what's in its environment. Anything outside it is a mystery, anathema or disinteresting (to it).
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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME GENE <> MEME - Page 8 EmptyWed Nov 27, 2019 7:12 am

Yes, the host is its environment, and through it it engages the natural environment, i.e., reality.
Language is vital for this to remain effective.
Adopting and corrupting the host's art, includes its language, is how it begins to control the host.
Words and symbols once meaningful and important, become criminalized or corrupted, rendered meaningless.
The host's connection to its own heritage is compromised and it begins losing contact with reality - zombification.

The host is comforted by this because of nihilism, its insecurity and vulnerability seeking a defence against reality.
Any corruption of language that detaches it from an indifferent and threatening world is accepted with relief.
This is what I meant by 'nihilism being the weakness' the parasite exploits.

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One can call a nervous system a language: of body. The parasite in bowels numbs pain receptors to feed on insides. Disrupting, "compromising contact", language. Social language serves a dual purpose of tribe survival/identification (or organism) - and sexual (but closely related). A same-language-speaker is a cooperative opportunity most humans do not pass up, squeezing out some benefit. Parasites exploit this latter cost/reward assessment, the anticipation of mutual benefit, to pretend to reciprocate. Either by amplifying the inconsequential things they've done, downplaying the bad, or outright inverting values of cost/benefit and accusing the other of malifecence (even for disagreeing).
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nervous systems produce language as a mind/body reaction to environment.
Organism's with no nervous system react locally, the reaction cascading across it.
But in higher life forms, mind body is synthesized by the nervous system - including brain - producing two separate reactions, one physical and the other mental - the former being automated and the latter lagging behind, producing mind/body dissonance if the reactions are in conflict.
The only way a reaction can be in conflict is if the mind is dominated by an ideology that contradicts or is contradicted by the body's evolved automated reactions to environmental stimuli.

Nihilism fabricates such ideologies as a defensive strategy.

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In comparison to today's 'democracy', the democracy of its birth-place, ancient Athens, would be considered authoritarian...and Sparta would be worse than Nazism.
The practices of the Spartans would be unimaginable even to the much maligned Nazis.

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The parasite was a product of a submission.
Where all other tribes felt ashamed and rejected nihilism one tribe embraced it, seeing potential in it.
They narrated this embracing of sickness as a 'choseness'....it was not they that chose to submit, but the ideal that chose them to submit to his dis-ease.

The parasite had practice parasitism for centuries. Being expelled from one culture after another....until nihilism was understood - its potentials to their mode of survival and reproduction, quickly became obvious.
So, when I speak of a nihilism/host symbiosis, I speak of the only one that rule embraced the defensiveness of nihilism, to multiply its parasitical niche behaviour.
It's proven to be a good choice. Ignoble, but effective...particularly in a world with no accessible frontiers, controlled resources and growing populations, creating a Behavioural Sink type of scenario.

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Here are the requirements for being a true European, and not just someone who identifies with being European, like transsexuals identify with being women, or by being residents of Europe, or admiring and being inspired by European culture and spirituality:

1-Being born of a European father, who was born of a European father, who was born of a European father.
Thrice down the line will suffice.

2-Thinking like a European. Thinking in multiplicities - in degrees and not absolutes - which may include singularities but that does not exclude multiplicities...meaning the singularity will be incorporated within the multiplicity of probabilities without negating them.
Spengler claimed Europe embodies the Faustian spirit.


3-That you do not strive to shame, negate or destroy Europe for whatever private motive that may intrude upon your psychology.
He who seeks to destroy his own bloodlines cannot be considered part of them.

4-The one who strives to enrich and to bring glory to his bloodlines, i.e., his ancestors, as the sum of his very becoming.

5-The one who has an aristocratic ethos, viz., able to support and raise that which is highest, even if it is not one's self.
Integrity to strive to be better without claiming to be absolutely so - god.

6-The one who is both part of a homogeneous, gene/meme, collective and yet strives to be its highest representation.
First, among the same, not equals: homoioi

7-He who seeks the error first and foremost in himself, before he can lay blame on other.

8-He who does not yield to pleasure, to flattery, and to feel-good lies, for the sake of his own survival, but places a higher ideals above even himself and his life: honour and truth.
He who refuses to lie to himself, seeking always the positive in every challenge or failure.
Accepting and admitting the negative is the beginning of the path towards the positive goal.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME GENE <> MEME - Page 8 EmptySun Dec 01, 2019 1:31 pm

To speak of genes & memes in the either/or absolutism characteristic of nihilists, is fall for their dumbing-down oversimplification, that only deals in dualities.
Like the Abrahamic good/evil.
We cannot speak of a white or a black culture...but we can sue this skin pigmentation to identify one common trait of a particular genetic group, which produced a family of cultures with common traits - a family of memes.

'Black culture' usually implies sub-Saharan.
Linguistically they are names the Niger-Congo family.
From genes to memes, implies that shared genetics will produce shared memetic semiotics representing a common relationship with reality, environment, existence itself.
cRap is a modern example.

To speak of 'white culture' is to speak of a European family - Indo-Euopean culture, further distinguishes as European, contrasting with its eastern branches called "Indian'.
White refers to the western family of memes, and the Indo-European linguistic family.
A sub0category of a broader family called a race.

Language is a good indicator of racial divides, even though it can be learned by individuals belonging to other races.
It is the memetic extension of a genetic family, just as mind is an extension of body.


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Nonsense can be made to make sense in the mind, with a bit of creativity and artistic licence, so it isn't difficult to understand why nihilism can seduce and attract those who are desperate fro an alternate reality but lack the imagination to create one, and need external validation to be convinced.
Nihilism replaces empiricism with collectivity; objective reality is substituted with inter-subjectivity, requiring proselytizing and faith; hive-mind project.

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History repeats because the same types (genes) believing in the same ideologies (memes) behave and make the same choices producing similar consequences.
They never blame their ideology for the negative consequences, but focus on the positives, ensuring the repetition and accumulation of the negatives.

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Cultural differences are used to explain differences in behaviour and performance, but, in fact, a culture is a direct product of mental differences.
Democracy, for example, could only have been invented by the Greeks as a product of a mind that had evolved within a specific environment.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME GENE <> MEME - Page 8 EmptySat Jan 11, 2020 9:03 pm

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Good stuff. The psychology of the non-conformist conformer.

I might add that the loyalty to the status quo of the system of these types of virtue signaling males, also has to do with the degree of influence thier sexuality has on them as well. To remain dependent on social inclusion means, in a sense, to acquiesce to sub-standard choices of selfhood, for the benefit of access to an abundance of sexual options. To risk breaking with this system of control, means to value a higher objective of oneself, for the cost of a decreased amount of sexual options or even a possible sacrifice of them altogether. A settling for the safety net wins out for most.
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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME GENE <> MEME - Page 8 EmptySat Jan 11, 2020 9:38 pm

If you're going to sacrifice something for sexual market value, make it your actions (doing more labor rather than watching TV) and not your integrity or character. Whenever possible.
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Mcgilchrist wrote:
For Merleau-Ponty truth is arrived at through engagement with the world, not through greater abstraction from it; the general is encountered through, rather than in spite of, the particular; and the
infinite through, rather than in spite of, the finite. In relation to art, Merleau-Ponty's view, which accords with experience, was that the artist did not merely reflect what was there anyway, albeit in a novel way, but actually ‘brought into being a truth’ about the world that was not there before, perhaps the best example of the universal being manifest through the particular.
It is the rootedness of our thought and language in the body that we share with others which means that despite the fact that all truth is relative, this in no way undermines the possibility of shared truth.
It is the right hemisphere's ‘primary consciousness’, coupled to the body's preconscious awareness of the world, which relates our visceral and emotional experience to what we know about the world.
This position has been corroborated more recently by Lakoff and Johnson, and once again the body is
the crucial mediator:
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The mind is not merely embodied, but embodied in such a way that our conceptual systems draw
largely upon the commonalities of our bodies and of the environments we live in. The result is that
much of a person's conceptual system is either universal or widespread across languages and
cultures. Our conceptual systems are not totally relative and not merely a matter of historical
contingency, even though a degree of conceptual relativity does exist and even though historical
contingency does matter a great deal … truth is mediated by embodied understanding and imagination.
That does not mean that truth is purely subjective or that there is no stable truth. Rather, our common
embodiment allows for common, stable truths.

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