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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Fri Jan 26, 2018 4:56 pm

Nature knows no debate because animals have no perspectives that contradict natural order.
Nature's 'debate' is conflict, and competition.
Man can only externalize their genetic as techniques/technologies and can, in their mind, contradict or invert natural order.

If no mitigating power intervenes then the outcome is inevitable - the superior perspective will replace the inferior one.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Fri Jan 26, 2018 5:11 pm

A meme that is in harmony with natural order, in other words with its own genetic past, will always have an advantage over nihilistic memes, or those that contradict natural order, and their genetic foundations, because the latter will always have to expend energies to maintain itself within a world that contradicts it - one such energy depleting intervention would be the lies it would have to fabricate and repeat, to itself.

Inferior memes compensate for their inferior qualities with superior quantities.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Fri Jan 26, 2018 5:18 pm

Inferior genes produce inferior, less sophisticated, memes.
This, by itself, means there is no conflict without a certain outcome, and that those who come from the inferior, cannot be completely integrated into the superior.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Fri Jan 26, 2018 5:24 pm

The superior can adapt to the inferior. A man can adapt to chimpanzee group dynamics.
The inferior cannot completely adapt to the superior, only partially and only by imitating what is, for it, incomprehensible.
Chimpanzees cannot adapt to human systems, but can imitate humans without fully understanding them.

The sophistication of the meme reflects the quality of the genetics that produced it, and of which they are an extension.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Fri Jan 26, 2018 8:39 pm

A theory is evaluated like a judgment is evaluated, and therefore like any intellectual construct, including a meme, a perspective, an idea....and so on.
The world is the standard.
Either it is converted into action and applied in world, or it is converted to art, including symbolism and language, and is evaluated against world.

By world I do not mean humanity, or anything dealing with human fabrications.
By world I mean that which preceded the emergence of man, and that will remain after his possible demise.
By world I mean that which is outside human environments, systems, artifices - all that does not depend on man to exist.
We call it nature, to include not only living organic life, but also inorganic, matter/energies.
Typically nature refers to that which is ordered, has a pattern of behaviour - natural order. We search and find patterns directing those patterns and we call those Laws of Nature.
Typically we exclude that which cannot be measured, like chaos, properly defined as randomness. Man usually refers to these dynamic forces as mystical, or spiritual, and gives them a name to make them less intimidating and threatening.

If we were to be honest and thorough then nature would include both patterned (order) and non-patterned (chaos) Energies, since they both participate in the emergence of the apparent, and both are included in measurements either directly or indirectly.
Chaos cannot be measured directly but it is included in human measurements as the fraction, that which cannot measure precisely but approximately; that which is never absolutely certain, but relatively probable.
Chaos is the mystifying.
Giving it a metaphorical image, and a name, and creating narratives only alludes to what can never be understood, not imagined.
We can only indirectly imagine it as the opposite of order.

Nihilism is the worship of chaos.
Positive nihilism is the lie invented to use nihilism but not suffer the implications. Chaos overturns order but this is of no advantage to anyone.
Chaos, is anti-life....because life is ordering, needing order, perpetuating order, constructing order, manipulating and exploiting order.
But order is not a singularity....despite our use of one word - order, to describe a multiplicity of repeating, consistent, predictable patterns.
Order manifests in multiple ways, therefore the ancients had many gods to represent the different types and combinations of order.
Chaos makes order distinct and valuable. Chaos distinguishes and differentiates order, creating the different types of order.
Chaos creates and destroys order, and order creates and destroys chaos.
Chaos make free-will, and choice possible.
Chaos makes consciousness necessary.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Fri Jan 26, 2018 8:48 pm

Nihilists are trapped between a reality they dislike and are terrified by, and chaos which they crave to destroy an order that shames them, but is worse because it is death.
So we have the pure nihilist who embraces death, and oblivion, but cannot stand the idea that he will die while others will live; that he could never find anything good in life, whereas others do.
he concludes that those who like life must either be living a privileged existence or are lying.
He becomes cynical.
Then we have the positive nihilist who deals with the conundrum with pretenses and lies, beginning with himself.
He turns inward and calls it a deeper reality. He inverts and declares it the truth beneath illusions.
He projects his hopes to the beyond and the occult, the forever above and the forever below, the hyper-real, and the hypo-real, and calls that the hidden Real.
He lies to himself, and to make the life more convincing he lies to others, converting them to supporters of his lie.
He lies because the world is 'not enough', or 'too much'; he lies to cope.
He becomes bold with his lies, if it is convincing to the feeble and the gullible, and so he settles for living a lie, and forgetting himself in it.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Mon Jun 11, 2018 8:15 am

Genes determine dispositions, behaviour...the relationship of past with the present.
The determined past (nature) relating to the dynamic environment, the present (nurture).
Nurture cultivates what potentials are inherited.

In animals this is not problematic.
Animals cannot intervene upon environment to the extent human can, to create artificial environments.
Animals adapt to environment and cannot even imagine changing environment to them.
The human animal can and does.

Therefore....genes determine sexual roles, dispositions, psychologies, in relation to world, and memes determine what semiotics they will acquire, or how much, and in what way this natural disposition will be directed, or how it will be sublimated and/or repressed.
we can apply this across the board.
Morals as natural social behaviours evolved over time become ethical rules that direct this or that attempts to sublimate and/or repress.
For this sublimation and/or repression to be effective the consequences of all choices must be subverted and controlled.
By intervening upon the consequences of all human choices, the human system adjusts the cost/benefits.
This intervention can be subtle or extreme, as in the case of nihilistic ideologies.
The more extreme they are the more risks and failures will be produced, in the form of paradoxes, conundrums, or pretenses, where the mind lies but the body does not believe.
The meme/gene conflict is expressed as mind/body conflicts - psychosis/neurosis.


To clarify:
Judgment is the act of choosing, of juxtaposing options....values is the end result of a judgment in relation to an objective - a tribulation of subjective judgment, in relation to environment, other (object), relative to a goal, a motive, an objective.
The triangulation of past/present/future.
Precedent/Appearance/Intent.
Value is given to the present, the object, by the subject, in relation to a projected, uncertain, theoretical, ideal.
The consequences are the validation or falsification of the process, demanding an adjustment.

All this occurs within time/space, or the real, the world, which is forever indifferent to human expectations and projections.
The triangulation is tested within world, and is only warped when manmade institutions intervene to adjust the cost/benefits producing side-effects...similar to how man's interventions on natural processes produces pollution that has to be dealt with and begins to accumulate, threatening the entire process.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Wed Jun 27, 2018 6:46 am

Gene to Meme

Reproductive roles, called sexual, evolve the physical/mental (psychological) traits to facilitate this role.
These specialized reproductive roles are adapted to a specific culture called gender roles.
Gender roles are not arbitrary and social constructs.
They differ from meme to meme, from culture to culture, but they all have reproduction in common.
Femininity and masculinity refer to these evolved physical and psychological (body/mind) traits that facilitate procreation.  

They are converted to codes: dress codes, behavioural codes of conduct, linguistic codes (semiotics) etc.

Similarly, behavioural traits facilitate survival, and reproduction.
In social organisms this involves tolerance, cooperation, altruism, reciprocity, to facilitate codependency, also enhancing specialized reproductive roles.
These evolved behaviours, we call moral, are then codified into ethical rules.

Most remain unspoken, passed on through traditions and word of mouth narratives, until they are written down as ethical standards.
See Aristotle's Ethics and Moses and the Ten Commandments.  
From genetic necessity, moral sense, to socioeconomic rules, ethical laws.

From genes to memes.

Ethics, governing group behaviour, slightly differ from culture to culture - meme to meme - because they are a product of the particular genetic population, evolved within a particular environment, experiencing particular events (history) - they are shaped by this relationship of organism to world.
The ideal to the real relationship.
Each ideal is then challenged by a competing ideal within the same world environment - cosmos.
This competition is part of natural selection. The ideal most in harmony with the real is passed on, the other perishes.

A caveat:
Modern systems provide a sheltering cocoon within which inferior ideals are protected from real world circumstances.
This is a form of population control.
The system offers this service, cultivating dependence and the traits it desires to propagate as ideal to its internal harmony.
This sheltering can only survive ephemerally, as the internal/external disharmony causes it to deflate, gradually, or to implode, suddenly.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Fri Jun 29, 2018 8:22 am

What they call 'intellectual dissonance' is the contradiction of mind to the unavoidable presence of body; when memes contradict genes.

What we call divine, god, in the Abrahamic meme, is mind purified - purification means detachment or selective acknowledgement of the body, the physical.

Body is the manifestation of past - past made present. It is immutable.
Because mind can contradict this past it becomes an addictive concept of usurping the determining past.
Free-Will becomes an absolute expression of mind choosing to self-identify, baptize self using words, and disconnect, reject the body's presence, and what it reveals.

Mind as divine liberator - abstraction as the absolute = God.
Language as the expression of God's will.
Abrahamism placed it in past, or present,hiding beneath, beyond.
The mind's mystifying omnipresence, and its freedom from space/time was evidence of god's omnipotence/omniscience/omnipresence.
The individual channelled god's absolute will.

Mind was placed on a pedestal - idealized. Mystified. Deified, Sanctified.
Its constructs projected as world creating ideologies.
It was named 'spirit', 'soul', 'essence', 'being', god'.

In Christianity the 'Christ' was the redeemer of the body's 'sins'....its primal imperfections, spoiling the mind's abstract 'perfection - its complete, wholeness, its absoluteness, through noetic abstractions. Vagueness was how the absolute was justified. In science it was called 'complexity' implying the same thing: a mysterious, occult, hidden, order; an underlying absolute, hiding in the mystifying, in the counter-intuitive, in the unknown.
Ignorance, the negative, became proof of a positive.
In Christianity this became a justification: We do not know everything (absolute is missing), therefore god, as defined by Abrahamics and contradicting the experienced, is possible.
In Science it was expressed as a yet to be uncovered order, where the presumption was never stated: All can and will be known - omniscience was immanent, in the future.

Secular nihilism, called humanism or Marxism, challenged this spiritual narrative.
It brought paradise on earth, and the hidden, the past, became the immanent future - the forever coming and yet to be.
Utopia is always a progressing towards perfection, replacing Paradise as a beyond, outside space/time of eternal bliss.
After death, 'afterlife' became a bright immanent coming future ending human suffering.
Man becoming god, not God becoming man. A variant of positive Nihilism.

God's singularity manifesting as multiplicity, became multiplicity, the collective, manifesting a singularity.
Right/Left politics was this division - bipolar dualities, within the same nihilistic paradigm, offering the illusion that 'serious' dialogue, about the world, was being produced - called progress.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Fri Jun 29, 2018 2:15 pm

If we understand genes/memes properly, as real/ideal, then money is the modern, memetic, version of a slave's
iron chains.
Noetic 'fencing' to coral the herd.
Lock & key.
Master's whip & slave's hope; master's carrot, and slave's pretence.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Sun Aug 19, 2018 2:06 pm



It follows from the degenerate's own 'emoting' which they call 'reasoning:
With no god, and they are most often a these these days, the only source of gender, race, morality and so on, is the human species.
Therefore, the revulsion of necrophilia, paedophilia, beastiality etc. is a socially produced reaction, so if man is to become enlightened and he decides to make these behaviour moral all it takes is a vote, if not an authority to impose a rule.

Classic post-modern delusion.
For most of these imbeciles the implications of their own self-serving ideological contraptions are unknown, or are rejected.
They contradict themselves when faced with what their own ideals imply, because they have not thought them through but have simply adopted them because they initially offered hope, pleasure, an escape from a threatening indifferent world.
As a defensive response they then claim all thinking is similarly based on self-serving subjectivity, because there is no way to evaluate what is more or what is less probable, according to these hypocrites.
With no external absolute authority, e.g. God, what is left but a community of subjective authorities that must then agree, or compromise in a world where there is no objective standard.
They insinuate a negation of scientific methodology, empiricism, evolution, but correct their won lies by declaring that this only applies to humans, because humans are now the 'chosen' species....not animals at all...special.
This comes straight from Abrahamism. A way of evading nature and animal behaviour.
A narcissistic exceptionalism, to create double standards....purifying the concept 'human' by converting ti to a noetic construct.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Sun Aug 19, 2018 5:26 pm

From genes to memes in all ideologies....from the physical to the mental - from phenomena to noumena.

Sexual specialization, reproductive roles, become gender.
Race as a sub-division of species, proving that Evolution is at work, becomes integrated into a social system or is denied validity on idealistic, Utopian, grounds.

Morality is no different.
From behaviours that offer a genetic advantage or avoid a genetic cost, established as an ethical code, we move towards idealistic ethics, meant to facilitate social cohesion or promote a particular behaviour, producing a specific kind of man...then tested in the real world.

Genes <> Memes
Both are memories.
The first passed on through DNA, and the second through language.
Body <> Mind....

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Sun Aug 19, 2018 5:47 pm

In my thesis [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] it is made clear.
Interactions corresponds to the physical, the phenomenon, which is dynamic - flux.
Interpretation is the noumenon, the mind simplifying/generalizing the perceived interactivity, using binary methods. as the simplest and so the easiest to evolve.
On/Off neurological processes, become dualities good/bad, black/white....and then evolve into the abstractions of mathematical semiotics, binary code 1/0.
The interpretation is measured against the world - the subjective mind tests its perspective against the objective world.
This evolves what we call judgment - juxtaposition. Intelligence.
The superior interpretation has an advantage over the inferior one - evolution of consciousness.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Sun Aug 26, 2018 5:05 pm

Don't let hate control you, it is as destructive as allowing love to corrupt your thinking.
Like a physician, one must approach the phenomenon as one approaches a dis-ease that does not require the wilful acknowledgement of the infected to spread from mind to mind.
As with all physical virus', the patient has no participation, often falling into a delirium as his autoimmune system combats the alien intruder.
A memetic virus is no different.
It contaminates the mind through weakness, anxiety, genetic predisposition, and eventually dominates all the contaminated host's, cognitive processes.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:33 am



J.F. has stumbled upon the Gene<>Meme dynamic and is now realizing how nihilism can be sued to 'trick' to hide, and to hijack, to parasitically take over and use the host as a mediating shell - Zombification.

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