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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Fri Jan 26, 2018 4:56 pm

Nature knows no debate because animals have no perspectives that contradict natural order.
Nature's 'debate' is conflict, and competition.
Man can only externalize their genetic as techniques/technologies and can, in their mind, contradict or invert natural order.

If no mitigating power intervenes then the outcome is inevitable - the superior perspective will replace the inferior one.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Fri Jan 26, 2018 5:11 pm

A meme that is in harmony with natural order, in other words with its own genetic past, will always have an advantage over nihilistic memes, or those that contradict natural order, and their genetic foundations, because the latter will always have to expend energies to maintain itself within a world that contradicts it - one such energy depleting intervention would be the lies it would have to fabricate and repeat, to itself.

Inferior memes compensate for their inferior qualities with superior quantities.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Fri Jan 26, 2018 5:18 pm

Inferior genes produce inferior, less sophisticated, memes.
This, by itself, means there is no conflict without a certain outcome, and that those who come from the inferior, cannot be completely integrated into the superior.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Fri Jan 26, 2018 5:24 pm

The superior can adapt to the inferior. A man can adapt to chimpanzee group dynamics.
The inferior cannot completely adapt to the superior, only partially and only by imitating what is, for it, incomprehensible.
Chimpanzees cannot adapt to human systems, but can imitate humans without fully understanding them.

The sophistication of the meme reflects the quality of the genetics that produced it, and of which they are an extension.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Fri Jan 26, 2018 8:39 pm

A theory is evaluated like a judgment is evaluated, and therefore like any intellectual construct, including a meme, a perspective, an idea....and so on.
The world is the standard.
Either it is converted into action and applied in world, or it is converted to art, including symbolism and language, and is evaluated against world.

By world I do not mean humanity, or anything dealing with human fabrications.
By world I mean that which preceded the emergence of man, and that will remain after his possible demise.
By world I mean that which is outside human environments, systems, artifices - all that does not depend on man to exist.
We call it nature, to include not only living organic life, but also inorganic, matter/energies.
Typically nature refers to that which is ordered, has a pattern of behaviour - natural order. We search and find patterns directing those patterns and we call those Laws of Nature.
Typically we exclude that which cannot be measured, like chaos, properly defined as randomness. Man usually refers to these dynamic forces as mystical, or spiritual, and gives them a name to make them less intimidating and threatening.

If we were to be honest and thorough then nature would include both patterned (order) and non-patterned (chaos) Energies, since they both participate in the emergence of the apparent, and both are included in measurements either directly or indirectly.
Chaos cannot be measured directly but it is included in human measurements as the fraction, that which cannot measure precisely but approximately; that which is never absolutely certain, but relatively probable.
Chaos is the mystifying.
Giving it a metaphorical image, and a name, and creating narratives only alludes to what can never be understood, not imagined.
We can only indirectly imagine it as the opposite of order.

Nihilism is the worship of chaos.
Positive nihilism is the lie invented to use nihilism but not suffer the implications. Chaos overturns order but this is of no advantage to anyone.
Chaos, is anti-life....because life is ordering, needing order, perpetuating order, constructing order, manipulating and exploiting order.
But order is not a singularity....despite our use of one word - order, to describe a multiplicity of repeating, consistent, predictable patterns.
Order manifests in multiple ways, therefore the ancients had many gods to represent the different types and combinations of order.
Chaos makes order distinct and valuable. Chaos distinguishes and differentiates order, creating the different types of order.
Chaos creates and destroys order, and order creates and destroys chaos.
Chaos make free-will, and choice possible.
Chaos makes consciousness necessary.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Fri Jan 26, 2018 8:48 pm

Nihilists are trapped between a reality they dislike and are terrified by, and chaos which they crave to destroy an order that shames them, but is worse because it is death.
So we have the pure nihilist who embraces death, and oblivion, but cannot stand the idea that he will die while others will live; that he could never find anything good in life, whereas others do.
he concludes that those who like life must either be living a privileged existence or are lying.
He becomes cynical.
Then we have the positive nihilist who deals with the conundrum with pretenses and lies, beginning with himself.
He turns inward and calls it a deeper reality. He inverts and declares it the truth beneath illusions.
He projects his hopes to the beyond and the occult, the forever above and the forever below, the hyper-real, and the hypo-real, and calls that the hidden Real.
He lies to himself, and to make the life more convincing he lies to others, converting them to supporters of his lie.
He lies because the world is 'not enough', or 'too much'; he lies to cope.
He becomes bold with his lies, if it is convincing to the feeble and the gullible, and so he settles for living a lie, and forgetting himself in it.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Mon Jun 11, 2018 8:15 am

Genes determine dispositions, behaviour...the relationship of past with the present.
The determined past (nature) relating to the dynamic environment, the present (nurture).
Nurture cultivates what potentials are inherited.

In animals this is not problematic.
Animals cannot intervene upon environment to the extent human can, to create artificial environments.
Animals adapt to environment and cannot even imagine changing environment to them.
The human animal can and does.

Therefore....genes determine sexual roles, dispositions, psychologies, in relation to world, and memes determine what semiotics they will acquire, or how much, and in what way this natural disposition will be directed, or how it will be sublimated and/or repressed.
we can apply this across the board.
Morals as natural social behaviours evolved over time become ethical rules that direct this or that attempts to sublimate and/or repress.
For this sublimation and/or repression to be effective the consequences of all choices must be subverted and controlled.
By intervening upon the consequences of all human choices, the human system adjusts the cost/benefits.
This intervention can be subtle or extreme, as in the case of nihilistic ideologies.
The more extreme they are the more risks and failures will be produced, in the form of paradoxes, conundrums, or pretenses, where the mind lies but the body does not believe.
The meme/gene conflict is expressed as mind/body conflicts - psychosis/neurosis.


To clarify:
Judgment is the act of choosing, of juxtaposing options....values is the end result of a judgment in relation to an objective - a tribulation of subjective judgment, in relation to environment, other (object), relative to a goal, a motive, an objective.
The triangulation of past/present/future.
Precedent/Appearance/Intent.
Value is given to the present, the object, by the subject, in relation to a projected, uncertain, theoretical, ideal.
The consequences are the validation or falsification of the process, demanding an adjustment.

All this occurs within time/space, or the real, the world, which is forever indifferent to human expectations and projections.
The triangulation is tested within world, and is only warped when manmade institutions intervene to adjust the cost/benefits producing side-effects...similar to how man's interventions on natural processes produces pollution that has to be dealt with and begins to accumulate, threatening the entire process.

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