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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Fri Jan 26, 2018 4:56 pm

Nature knows no debate because animals have no perspectives that contradict natural order.
Nature's 'debate' is conflict, and competition.
Man can only externalize their genetic as techniques/technologies and can, in their mind, contradict or invert natural order.

If no mitigating power intervenes then the outcome is inevitable - the superior perspective will replace the inferior one.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Fri Jan 26, 2018 5:11 pm

A meme that is in harmony with natural order, in other words with its own genetic past, will always have an advantage over nihilistic memes, or those that contradict natural order, and their genetic foundations, because the latter will always have to expend energies to maintain itself within a world that contradicts it - one such energy depleting intervention would be the lies it would have to fabricate and repeat, to itself.

Inferior memes compensate for their inferior qualities with superior quantities.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Fri Jan 26, 2018 5:18 pm

Inferior genes produce inferior, less sophisticated, memes.
This, by itself, means there is no conflict without a certain outcome, and that those who come from the inferior, cannot be completely integrated into the superior.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Fri Jan 26, 2018 5:24 pm

The superior can adapt to the inferior. A man can adapt to chimpanzee group dynamics.
The inferior cannot completely adapt to the superior, only partially and only by imitating what is, for it, incomprehensible.
Chimpanzees cannot adapt to human systems, but can imitate humans without fully understanding them.

The sophistication of the meme reflects the quality of the genetics that produced it, and of which they are an extension.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Fri Jan 26, 2018 8:39 pm

A theory is evaluated like a judgment is evaluated, and therefore like any intellectual construct, including a meme, a perspective, an idea....and so on.
The world is the standard.
Either it is converted into action and applied in world, or it is converted to art, including symbolism and language, and is evaluated against world.

By world I do not mean humanity, or anything dealing with human fabrications.
By world I mean that which preceded the emergence of man, and that will remain after his possible demise.
By world I mean that which is outside human environments, systems, artifices - all that does not depend on man to exist.
We call it nature, to include not only living organic life, but also inorganic, matter/energies.
Typically nature refers to that which is ordered, has a pattern of behaviour - natural order. We search and find patterns directing those patterns and we call those Laws of Nature.
Typically we exclude that which cannot be measured, like chaos, properly defined as randomness. Man usually refers to these dynamic forces as mystical, or spiritual, and gives them a name to make them less intimidating and threatening.

If we were to be honest and thorough then nature would include both patterned (order) and non-patterned (chaos) Energies, since they both participate in the emergence of the apparent, and both are included in measurements either directly or indirectly.
Chaos cannot be measured directly but it is included in human measurements as the fraction, that which cannot measure precisely but approximately; that which is never absolutely certain, but relatively probable.
Chaos is the mystifying.
Giving it a metaphorical image, and a name, and creating narratives only alludes to what can never be understood, not imagined.
We can only indirectly imagine it as the opposite of order.

Nihilism is the worship of chaos.
Positive nihilism is the lie invented to use nihilism but not suffer the implications. Chaos overturns order but this is of no advantage to anyone.
Chaos, is anti-life....because life is ordering, needing order, perpetuating order, constructing order, manipulating and exploiting order.
But order is not a singularity....despite our use of one word - order, to describe a multiplicity of repeating, consistent, predictable patterns.
Order manifests in multiple ways, therefore the ancients had many gods to represent the different types and combinations of order.
Chaos makes order distinct and valuable. Chaos distinguishes and differentiates order, creating the different types of order.
Chaos creates and destroys order, and order creates and destroys chaos.
Chaos make free-will, and choice possible.
Chaos makes consciousness necessary.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Fri Jan 26, 2018 8:48 pm

Nihilists are trapped between a reality they dislike and are terrified by, and chaos which they crave to destroy an order that shames them, but is worse because it is death.
So we have the pure nihilist who embraces death, and oblivion, but cannot stand the idea that he will die while others will live; that he could never find anything good in life, whereas others do.
he concludes that those who like life must either be living a privileged existence or are lying.
He becomes cynical.
Then we have the positive nihilist who deals with the conundrum with pretenses and lies, beginning with himself.
He turns inward and calls it a deeper reality. He inverts and declares it the truth beneath illusions.
He projects his hopes to the beyond and the occult, the forever above and the forever below, the hyper-real, and the hypo-real, and calls that the hidden Real.
He lies to himself, and to make the life more convincing he lies to others, converting them to supporters of his lie.
He lies because the world is 'not enough', or 'too much'; he lies to cope.
He becomes bold with his lies, if it is convincing to the feeble and the gullible, and so he settles for living a lie, and forgetting himself in it.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Mon Jun 11, 2018 8:15 am

Genes determine dispositions, behaviour...the relationship of past with the present.
The determined past (nature) relating to the dynamic environment, the present (nurture).
Nurture cultivates what potentials are inherited.

In animals this is not problematic.
Animals cannot intervene upon environment to the extent human can, to create artificial environments.
Animals adapt to environment and cannot even imagine changing environment to them.
The human animal can and does.

Therefore....genes determine sexual roles, dispositions, psychologies, in relation to world, and memes determine what semiotics they will acquire, or how much, and in what way this natural disposition will be directed, or how it will be sublimated and/or repressed.
we can apply this across the board.
Morals as natural social behaviours evolved over time become ethical rules that direct this or that attempts to sublimate and/or repress.
For this sublimation and/or repression to be effective the consequences of all choices must be subverted and controlled.
By intervening upon the consequences of all human choices, the human system adjusts the cost/benefits.
This intervention can be subtle or extreme, as in the case of nihilistic ideologies.
The more extreme they are the more risks and failures will be produced, in the form of paradoxes, conundrums, or pretenses, where the mind lies but the body does not believe.
The meme/gene conflict is expressed as mind/body conflicts - psychosis/neurosis.


To clarify:
Judgment is the act of choosing, of juxtaposing options....values is the end result of a judgment in relation to an objective - a tribulation of subjective judgment, in relation to environment, other (object), relative to a goal, a motive, an objective.
The triangulation of past/present/future.
Precedent/Appearance/Intent.
Value is given to the present, the object, by the subject, in relation to a projected, uncertain, theoretical, ideal.
The consequences are the validation or falsification of the process, demanding an adjustment.

All this occurs within time/space, or the real, the world, which is forever indifferent to human expectations and projections.
The triangulation is tested within world, and is only warped when manmade institutions intervene to adjust the cost/benefits producing side-effects...similar to how man's interventions on natural processes produces pollution that has to be dealt with and begins to accumulate, threatening the entire process.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Wed Jun 27, 2018 6:46 am

Gene to Meme

Reproductive roles, called sexual, evolve the physical/mental (psychological) traits to facilitate this role.
These specialized reproductive roles are adapted to a specific culture called gender roles.
Gender roles are not arbitrary and social constructs.
They differ from meme to meme, from culture to culture, but they all have reproduction in common.
Femininity and masculinity refer to these evolved physical and psychological (body/mind) traits that facilitate procreation.  

They are converted to codes: dress codes, behavioural codes of conduct, linguistic codes (semiotics) etc.

Similarly, behavioural traits facilitate survival, and reproduction.
In social organisms this involves tolerance, cooperation, altruism, reciprocity, to facilitate codependency, also enhancing specialized reproductive roles.
These evolved behaviours, we call moral, are then codified into ethical rules.

Most remain unspoken, passed on through traditions and word of mouth narratives, until they are written down as ethical standards.
See Aristotle's Ethics and Moses and the Ten Commandments.  
From genetic necessity, moral sense, to socioeconomic rules, ethical laws.

From genes to memes.

Ethics, governing group behaviour, slightly differ from culture to culture - meme to meme - because they are a product of the particular genetic population, evolved within a particular environment, experiencing particular events (history) - they are shaped by this relationship of organism to world.
The ideal to the real relationship.
Each ideal is then challenged by a competing ideal within the same world environment - cosmos.
This competition is part of natural selection. The ideal most in harmony with the real is passed on, the other perishes.

A caveat:
Modern systems provide a sheltering cocoon within which inferior ideals are protected from real world circumstances.
This is a form of population control.
The system offers this service, cultivating dependence and the traits it desires to propagate as ideal to its internal harmony.
This sheltering can only survive ephemerally, as the internal/external disharmony causes it to deflate, gradually, or to implode, suddenly.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Fri Jun 29, 2018 8:22 am

What they call 'intellectual dissonance' is the contradiction of mind to the unavoidable presence of body; when memes contradict genes.

What we call divine, god, in the Abrahamic meme, is mind purified - purification means detachment or selective acknowledgement of the body, the physical.

Body is the manifestation of past - past made present. It is immutable.
Because mind can contradict this past it becomes an addictive concept of usurping the determining past.
Free-Will becomes an absolute expression of mind choosing to self-identify, baptize self using words, and disconnect, reject the body's presence, and what it reveals.

Mind as divine liberator - abstraction as the absolute = God.
Language as the expression of God's will.
Abrahamism placed it in past, or present,hiding beneath, beyond.
The mind's mystifying omnipresence, and its freedom from space/time was evidence of god's omnipotence/omniscience/omnipresence.
The individual channelled god's absolute will.

Mind was placed on a pedestal - idealized. Mystified. Deified, Sanctified.
Its constructs projected as world creating ideologies.
It was named 'spirit', 'soul', 'essence', 'being', god'.

In Christianity the 'Christ' was the redeemer of the body's 'sins'....its primal imperfections, spoiling the mind's abstract 'perfection - its complete, wholeness, its absoluteness, through noetic abstractions. Vagueness was how the absolute was justified. In science it was called 'complexity' implying the same thing: a mysterious, occult, hidden, order; an underlying absolute, hiding in the mystifying, in the counter-intuitive, in the unknown.
Ignorance, the negative, became proof of a positive.
In Christianity this became a justification: We do not know everything (absolute is missing), therefore god, as defined by Abrahamics and contradicting the experienced, is possible.
In Science it was expressed as a yet to be uncovered order, where the presumption was never stated: All can and will be known - omniscience was immanent, in the future.

Secular nihilism, called humanism or Marxism, challenged this spiritual narrative.
It brought paradise on earth, and the hidden, the past, became the immanent future - the forever coming and yet to be.
Utopia is always a progressing towards perfection, replacing Paradise as a beyond, outside space/time of eternal bliss.
After death, 'afterlife' became a bright immanent coming future ending human suffering.
Man becoming god, not God becoming man. A variant of positive Nihilism.

God's singularity manifesting as multiplicity, became multiplicity, the collective, manifesting a singularity.
Right/Left politics was this division - bipolar dualities, within the same nihilistic paradigm, offering the illusion that 'serious' dialogue, about the world, was being produced - called progress.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Fri Jun 29, 2018 2:15 pm

If we understand genes/memes properly, as real/ideal, then money is the modern, memetic, version of a slave's
iron chains.
Noetic 'fencing' to coral the herd.
Lock & key.
Master's whip & slave's hope; master's carrot, and slave's pretence.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Sun Aug 19, 2018 2:06 pm



It follows from the degenerate's own 'emoting' which they call 'reasoning:
With no god, and they are most often a these these days, the only source of gender, race, morality and so on, is the human species.
Therefore, the revulsion of necrophilia, paedophilia, beastiality etc. is a socially produced reaction, so if man is to become enlightened and he decides to make these behaviour moral all it takes is a vote, if not an authority to impose a rule.

Classic post-modern delusion.
For most of these imbeciles the implications of their own self-serving ideological contraptions are unknown, or are rejected.
They contradict themselves when faced with what their own ideals imply, because they have not thought them through but have simply adopted them because they initially offered hope, pleasure, an escape from a threatening indifferent world.
As a defensive response they then claim all thinking is similarly based on self-serving subjectivity, because there is no way to evaluate what is more or what is less probable, according to these hypocrites.
With no external absolute authority, e.g. God, what is left but a community of subjective authorities that must then agree, or compromise in a world where there is no objective standard.
They insinuate a negation of scientific methodology, empiricism, evolution, but correct their won lies by declaring that this only applies to humans, because humans are now the 'chosen' species....not animals at all...special.
This comes straight from Abrahamism. A way of evading nature and animal behaviour.
A narcissistic exceptionalism, to create double standards....purifying the concept 'human' by converting ti to a noetic construct.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Sun Aug 19, 2018 5:26 pm

From genes to memes in all ideologies....from the physical to the mental - from phenomena to noumena.

Sexual specialization, reproductive roles, become gender.
Race as a sub-division of species, proving that Evolution is at work, becomes integrated into a social system or is denied validity on idealistic, Utopian, grounds.

Morality is no different.
From behaviours that offer a genetic advantage or avoid a genetic cost, established as an ethical code, we move towards idealistic ethics, meant to facilitate social cohesion or promote a particular behaviour, producing a specific kind of man...then tested in the real world.

Genes <> Memes
Both are memories.
The first passed on through DNA, and the second through language.
Body <> Mind....

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Sun Aug 19, 2018 5:47 pm

In my thesis [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] it is made clear.
Interactions corresponds to the physical, the phenomenon, which is dynamic - flux.
Interpretation is the noumenon, the mind simplifying/generalizing the perceived interactivity, using binary methods. as the simplest and so the easiest to evolve.
On/Off neurological processes, become dualities good/bad, black/white....and then evolve into the abstractions of mathematical semiotics, binary code 1/0.
The interpretation is measured against the world - the subjective mind tests its perspective against the objective world.
This evolves what we call judgment - juxtaposition. Intelligence.
The superior interpretation has an advantage over the inferior one - evolution of consciousness.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Sun Aug 26, 2018 5:05 pm

Don't let hate control you, it is as destructive as allowing love to corrupt your thinking.
Like a physician, one must approach the phenomenon as one approaches a dis-ease that does not require the wilful acknowledgement of the infected to spread from mind to mind.
As with all physical virus', the patient has no participation, often falling into a delirium as his autoimmune system combats the alien intruder.
A memetic virus is no different.
It contaminates the mind through weakness, anxiety, genetic predisposition, and eventually dominates all the contaminated host's, cognitive processes.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:33 am



J.F. has stumbled upon the Gene<>Meme dynamic and is now realizing how nihilism can be sued to 'trick' to hide, and to hijack, to parasitically take over and use the host as a mediating shell - Zombification.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:55 pm

Nihilism is not a creation of a mind....like all conspiracies it only 'conspires' to manipulate and exploit what emerges naturally, and spontaneously.
In this case what has become the philosophical dogma, and the political doctrine of nihilism is rooted in the emergence of self-consciousness.
It is a by-product of an emerging awareness of awareness; consciousness of being conscious.

We see hints of it in the narratives of nihilistic spiritual dogmas, like the bible, and its Adam and Eve story-line, concerning awareness and the 'shame' it produces....insecurity, vulnerability, as the mind begins to hear itself speaking to itself - the ego in dialogue with the self.
Jaynes explored it in his thesis on the Bicameral Mind.
Such an emergent inner voice must have seemed, and does seem, strange to an primitive, or inferior mind...as if a god were speaking to him - conscience they call it.

Animals do no suffer from such internal schisms....their consciousness is outwardly focused.
Man's emerging self-consciousness must have felt strange to him.
Ego perceiving Self in relation to other....and seeing how it measured-up - shame, vulnerability, insecurity.
This is where the schism permitted nihilism to enter and become a protective, defensive, survival shield.

Ego converted to an absolute God.
Abstraction, noumena, projected as existing absolutes, externalized, as art, using semiotics: symbols, words.
An internal alternative reality to usurp the indifferent, and uncertain, external one.
That's where nihilism is rooted.
n that moment few inversion....where the mental abstractions, the noumena, are held are being more real than the unyielding, phenomena, that require the noumena to be converted to actions, and not only into symbols of representation.

At first a connection was maintained, limiting the degree to which a mind can find 'salvation' internally.
But as the system grew in sophistication it could protect the mind form a world it no longer had to be aware of, if ti served the system that intervened on its behalf.
Then nihilism became a perfect tool to establish internal cohesion.

We see the commonality between the three dominant Abrahamic dogmas, but also between them and secular forms of nihilism, such as Marxism and the current variant of post-modernity.
A common thread of absolutism, confusing ideas/ideals for actual phenomena; of seeking salvation internally, in the esoteric: code for inside the mind; of a shared animosity towards past, nature, producing the feminine submission of Christianity, and the hyper-masculine reaction to emasculation, in Islam, both inspired by the linguistic inversions of hierarchies Judaism used to find pride in being rejected by every tribe they came in contact with; they made this historical fact into a metaphysical narrative, where the god chooses them, after being rejected by every other tribe. An inversion only possible inside the mind: psychological coping mechanism.
In all three cases a Messiah is invented to come and save them form the coming end....later this develops into the secular projection into the forever coming Utopian future.
All three must contradict their own stated principles, and must construct excuses as to why they believe in the unreal, while practicing behaviour evolved within the real.
All three are vindictive and will not permit any competing dogma to remind them of how detached from reality they are; how utterly hateful towards nature, as the sum of all past nurturing, they are.
A hate dealt with in three different ways....internalized as self-hate, externalized as hate for all that is not like them, and a occult, esoteric, hidden hate, pretending to be love of mankind, benevolence altruism.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:25 pm

In the east the same exact emergent self-consciousness produced a different viral reaction - Buddhism.
The same awakening, in different genetic populations, creating different memes, modifies the same existential anxiety and shapes a different reaction.
Contact of Hinduism, an Indo-European offshoot, with the primitive locals, already awakening to themselves, already suffering from self-consciousness and dealing with it using their primitive spiritual means also produced cross-contamination.
The same meme placed into a different historical context, when introduced to a different genetic line, has a different outcome.
Like introducing a technology to a tribe that did not invent it, but only learned to maintain it and use it.
The meme is adopted....and so the genes lack the ability to manufacture it from scratch, nor the will to do so; they lack the ability to relate to it, viscerally....because it is the product of centuries of a specific genetic line interacting within a specific environment, experiencing and evolving due to specific historical events.
The idea can be imitated and copied, it can be learned, like when a chimpanzee it taught how to sign, or how to dress, and eat using utensils.
As long as the external motive remains present it will continue to imitate, the best it can.
But if the external factor is eliminated it reverts to its natural behaviour, because it never evolved the behaviour through time but was adopted out of necessity.  
There is no historical context to make it innate, through centuries of evolution. It is entirely imitated, and adopted because it facilitates survival.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Mon Sep 24, 2018 6:59 pm

Genes evolved through trial and error, selecting the processes that were successful within a particular environment - natural selection.
They represent the relationship of a population with its environment, through time.
DNA is a rudimentary form of memories, stored as nucleotides, informing the organism on how to react to phenomena - triggered by (inter)actions.
A triad that is echoed across the organic becoming, reaching the height of past/present/future, or body/nervous system/mind.
A triad represented in spiritual allegories, and metaphors, such as the Platonic Rider/Reigns/Stallions of his psyche metaphor, corresponding to reason/will/passions.

Memes evolve as extensions of this genetic code.
They are the artistic externalization of esoteric processes.
Technologies/Techniques are externalized understanding, via an alternate medium.
For example, we externalize what we understand of how our own brains work, using metals and plastics, glass and electricity, as a computer.
Using the computer as a metaphor we can equate genes, with the hardware, being added to continuously, and memes as the software. Not all software can run on any hardware configuration.
Software has hardware and software requirements.
But in the case of memes they are not created in relation to the hardware, by an external will, a God, but they emerge from the workings of the hardware, relating to the environment.
Continuing with the metaphor, we can then say that the software is an extension, of the hardware, that may be copied and programmed into hardware it did not emerge from.
Because the relationship of genes (hardware) and memes (software) is so intimate, it cannot be adequately transferred, and if it does it will be altered, or adjusted to fit into the different hardware's configurations - modifying it slightly, or severely, or it will be impossible to run efficiently, or at all, if the hardware is very outdated. the computer will crash if it is programmed with software that exceeds the hardware's capacity to process.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:34 am



Remaining within the contexts of the metaphor of soft/ware hardware to metaphorically, memetically, explain the meme/gene dynamic we must make some clarifying observation.
-Computers and their hardware/software are a form of art: externalized abstractions, reflecting a particular understanding, based on a genetic tradition.
We can imagine that if a different history preceded its development that it would have taken a different form, if it would have developed at all.
These machines, like all technologies/techniques reflect an understanding of self, in relation to world, that has developed over time - it is an externalization of an esoteric conceptualization, using different mediums: plastic, metal, glass, electricity, to imitate internal processes, blood, bone, flesh, neurons, bio-energy etc.
Computers are constructed with precise parameters, each an almost absolute exact copy of all others of the same type, constructed in the same factory by the same company.
This is different to how genes and memes evolve, through natural selection and the (inter)action of organisms, with each other, and in relation to environment (world).

-Computer Hardware, used as a metaphor for genes, are the parameters, the patent's style/type, directing the machinery to construct a physical form, which also includes the brain, which is analogous to the motherboard.
It is not constructed by a will, an intent, following stringent parameters, but it develops/evolves, over time through the interplay/interaction of this hardware with the environment/world - subjective relating with objective.

-Computer Software, used as a metaphor for memes, evolve alongside the already developed hardware. It is after the hardware has developed to a particular level that the meme emerges to represent this relationship of subject with object - or the ideal with the real, or the individual, and its species, with the environment.

-Software/Memes can be transferred, programmed into hardware configurations that do not share this historical relationship, if the different hardware has some required components - compatibility. But, even in the case where this alien hardware does have compatible components to run the software, the running will not be the same as in the original, within which the software developed/evolved.
The software will be slightly modified, or not be as efficient, or effective, as it was with the original hardware. There will be glitches, large or small, of incompatibility.
Software may be rewritten to accommodate a universal synthesis of hardware, above a certain level of sophistication - it will become generic, losing some of its nuances: lost in translation. Nuances that are both constructive and destructive.
We see this occurring in modernity as a dumbing/down, a [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]of culture...also called levelling down.
Feminization is a product of this reduction to the most palatable, median.

Nihilism would be software that is totally dependent on being programmed into hardware that is placed within a quarantined, room, within a disinfected hospital, a controlled environment, with strong firewalls and thick walls.
If it is permitted to interact with the world it must contradict its own programming, or perish by a virus, or by its attack from other programs, hardware/software.
It is itself a virus that can infect other computers with its programming and its sheltered requirements.
As a side-note, to introduce the metaphor of a parasite, I will also say that another option is available. The symbiosis of virus and infected host computer may use other computers/hosts, as proxies to hide itself within their protective presence. A computer hijacking other computers, running a virus that will not survive when placed in direct contact with the world, the 'internet'. Parasite is a symbiont of warped hardware/corrupted by the virus software. In this case the hardware changes to accommodate the software virus, and seeks to infect as many computers as possible to maintain this protective shield.

Software = how the computer interacts, interfaces, with 'user' and internet, where 'internet'= world, and 'user'=will, or ego. Mind.
Hardware is the body, including the brain.....the hardware including the motherboard, CPU, RAM etc.
Hardware evolves first....nobody builds it from a blueprint, and has no goal, no telos. Body is the past made present, via the genes.
Programming evolves from the interaction of hardware with environment....gradually adding and developing its components.
Software emerges from this natural programming, and is an extension of it.
It gradually develops an ability to externalize its internal processes, so as to share and program other hardware. We call this art, commonly known as language, semiotics, using a binary system of 1/0 to transfer/transmit data. The same codes used to interact and connect to the web, now becomes the foundation of Wifi = communication between computers without any internet. The possibility of a private network emerges, which, if coupled with Nihilistic viruses, may construct a private internet, unrelated to anything having to do with the world, reality, but may be completely fantasy based.
If we return to the metaphor of the 'parasite/virus' symbiont, then we can understand this relationship as a 'private network', an esoteric one, where the 'host' computer is hijacked and used as a proxy, a shield, to protect the symbiont. Remaining hidden, corrupting the anti-virus programming, is part of the symbiont's strategy. It uses the computer's own virus, emerging from its contact with other computers, as a way around its defensive firewall, and its anti-virus programs. Parasite, having reached a harmony with its own virus, now exploits this same virus, though slightly modified in this new computer configuration, to harmonize it with its own virus.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:37 pm

The US claims to be the continuation of the Roman Empire. It began with that ambition. But it has become a representation of the post-modern system, wearing the façade of Rome when tis spirit is something much older.
The Holy Roman Empire and Byzantium claimed the same, when both had been infected by Nihilistic spirituality/ideology and only wore the symbols of Rome.
US soft power is founded on dumbing-down, and the 'culture of no culture', adopting the idealization of Athenian Democracy, itself a symptom of Hellenic decline, and a byproduct of dominance.
The US defeated Russian Communism, the Soviet Union, by adopting a more sophisticated form of Marxism, and is now revealing itself as what it has always been.
An empire built on the 'victims' of European and, later, socioeconomic international hierarchies, The credo of 'Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, yearning to breathe free...' reflects this underlying anti-Roman, anti-Hellenic spirit.
An empire built on the 'victims' of European and, later, international socioeconomic hierarchies, The credo of 'Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, yearning to breathe free...' reflects this underlying anti-roman, anti-Hellenic spirit. As a consequence it is now exposing a culture of post-modern victimhood, where all must find something, in their past, to feel victimized by. All are 'victims' of some 'bully' some power, some jealousy shaped into hatred, and all must avenge themselves against natural selection, in the face of some iconic representation of totalitarianism and authoritarianism....named paternalism. A rebellion against traditions and culture; rebellion against the past.
The old class divisions are now divisions of eternal 'victim' and eternal 'victimizer', with racial undertones. The Biblical allegory of God and Satan, good and evil, have been renamed, repackaged and resold.
The old American immigrant, fleeing old-world hierarchies, finds in Protestantism - to name one nihilistic spirituality - an identity and a motive to overcome and to expunge and to erase the domineering past...using money to compensate for impoverished genetic inheritance. In so doing, it adopts an ideology based on an implied 'logic' which is currently producing the belief that the body is a prison for a unjustly wronged mind. Cartesian philosophy is being played out through politics, and marketing - the same thing within different contexts. The noumenon is the liberator, the good, the divine, in relation to the body's devilish evil, its imprisoning rigidity. Mind can decide to be anything it pleases, having been liberated from the physical and the apparent. The 'American dream' freed from the last vestiges of Judeo-Christian limitations, finding solace in slumber and dreaming of Utopias, where each subjective perspective is equal to any other, can now reveal its crypto-Marxist soul.
'If you got the money, honey....we've got your disease...." Pay, and be whatever you want to be - purchase your 'right' to pretend to be anything, and all must respect it and buy into the pretence, to ensure reciprocity - the Golden Rule.
Trump is this ideology's 'logical end'. Its epiphany.
A corrective pulling-back, before things go too far and really go insane. The empire is correcting its post-war exuberance, pitting one absurdity against another. It has too, because it has produced new enemies.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Mon Oct 08, 2018 4:28 pm

We can conceptualize memes as a layer overlaying genetics.
An onion with an overlaying plastic, or artificial, manmade layer. All layers are a product of natural selection, the interaction of a population with its environment, except the outer layer, which is either entirely a fabrication or, as with paganism, or any kind of realism, it is a manmade sieve that imitates the lower layers but is designed to direct using human ideals.
A noetic sieve, with many holes....restricting the flow and directing it to and away from specific avenues. Like all such restrictions it repressed, and sublimates....and by doing so it accelerates, creating internal pressure, producing acceleration and energies that need to be expunged, by directing them to release points.
Like a damn is continuously releasing overflow, while at the same time funnelling rainwater towards its generators, accelerating, pressurizing the flow, and producing electricity, in the process. The energy in your home is then the transmission, via wiring, of this pressure, this redirected and funnelled flow.
Memes are exactly that.
Nihilistic ones contradict the flow altogether....reversing the flow, so they pressurize and invert the river's flow. but this is partially successful, because it goes against the forces of nature, so we get the big lie, the pretences, excuses, of nihilism.  

So, depending on how many holes a sieve has, how big they are, and where they are placed, determines how this past, nature, the river's flow, will be dealt with.
We call this cultivation, and nurture in relation to the natural flow, represented by the river, and the mountain, relationship....the river's flow.  
The river's flow is nature, and the dam, built to harness to exploit to control this natural flow, is the meme.
this river is also Dasein....throwness. Momentum....also called energy....at work- εν-εργο, εν-εργεια....
too much repression will explode the dam....too little and the energy controlled is minimal...not to its full capacity, its full potential. How and where it is released, how it is directed and controlled, determines its essence....its memetic type.
Nihilism attempt to completely block the flow, and make it all nurture. all is dammed, pressurized....and then reversed uphill, But this idealistic possibility is impossible, so it lies, it pretends that it has reversed the flow uphill, when it is overspilling, overflowing randomly...and each overflow is claimed as intentional, as good as any.
Nihilism must lie or destroy itself, become a victim of its own delusion.
We see how Nietzsche exposed Christianity's deceptions, its self-deceptions....but we can expand our analysis to include variations, and the predecessors of Christianity, which were the form, the design Christiany's copied and added to. So with the Christian sioeve we must go back to Judaism, and from Judaism to Zoroastrianism, and then to ancient-Egyptian culture.
This is the nihilistic design model, adapting, adjusting, progressing in time.

The other kind of sieve is the pagan, or Indo-European, or Hellenic, which is the caste all models are based on. If we use this analogy we can differentiate it from the previous by its design and harmony with the environment, the natural environment. Like a dam that is designed to merge with the natural landscape, while, at the same time, funnelling and redirecting, and pressurizing the natural flow of the river, without disturbing it too much. A hydroelectric dam, that is designed to not disturb the natural landscape, nor kill the fauna and the organisms that live in and around the river flow. A design that respects the river, and also, exploits its power.






It's a matter of design (ideal) and intent.
How much of the natural flow is harnessed, how much of the natural environment is destroyed, disrupted?
How much of the pre-existing river's flow is respected and undisturbed?
How much is contradicted, dammed, redirected (sublimated) towards alternative flows, creating artificial lakes and rivers?

Dam = meme
River = gene
Flow, gravity water stone relationship= environment, reality, world.
The motive of the Hellenic design is to harness the river's power as much as possible, with minimal disruption on its natural flow.
The motive of Nihilism is to deny the river's natural flow to absolutely and completely control it, and reverse its flow.
But the power of nature is too much for any meme to control, so it lies, to explain why it fails, with destructive floods and extreme damage on the environment.    
It lies, claiming that its overflow is by design, no matter how it floods and affects the environment. There is no 'wrong or right' because for nihilism all rivers are artificial, and so all designs, all dam configurations, are as good as any - equality. This last is the post-modern design failure excuse.
Jude-Christianity lies to excuse its detrimental effects on the environment. It's disharmonious damn, radically damaging everything in the vicinity.


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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Sun Oct 14, 2018 6:02 pm



Sorry, but to fully understand how Abrahamism adopted and then corrupted Democratic values, in the west, and in the east it became Islam with no such effect, we have to understand what a meme is in relation to genes.

First off, morals can be explained without resorting to religion or ideology, because we see moral behaviour, or what we call altruism, in other species, but we do not see a kind of altruism that is unbound by blood and self-interests, or at least claims to be, unless you study the human species.
to understand the difference we must understand the difference between the human species and all other species, particularly those where altruism does evolve....in other words social species.
how do we get from 'love yourself, and love your friend and family member and your tribe, your blood, to love 'everyone' or love an abstraction called God, or God as an abstraction of love...of love abstracted to the point of meaninglessness, called the 'mystique' or its 'mystery'?
The 'mystery' is an easy way to avoid justifying whatever follows, or its a good way to mask the motives of what is being attempted.
Nobody looks further because the benefits of denial and delusion, outweigh the acceptable costs, especially in individuals who place hedonism and survival above all other considerations.
What chance does reason or logic have when passion, meaning fear, corrupts and dictates what is to be considered and to what degree?
If survival or pleasure, as a relief from need/suffering, is all that matters then there is no argument, no evidence, that can break through. The mind is closed, it will find some flaw, some imperfection, to dismiss anything that threatens survival and pleasure...an easy thing to do when there is no absolute, so no omniscience and all perspectives are to be judged on merit, on degree of probability.
The coward will adopt or find one flaw to nullify any theory that h does not like...it's part of the cynical methodology; and the retard will use this absence of omniscience as an argument to support his own delusions, and anything short of absolute proof will not break through his self-serving, fear-based dogmatism.
The reason these freaks are so quick to accuse others of fear, phobia this and phobic that, is because their perspectives are entirely based on anxiety/fear, and how to deal with it, how to invert it into courage...and they have nothing else.

We have to understand what self-consciousness is, and what negative by-products it produces, along with the known and accepted 'good'; the costs, the price, for all the benefits.

Going back to Zoroastrianism, or to the ancient Egyptian death-cults, we can find from where the Jews stole and synthesized their own inverting dogma.
From there we can see how contact with Hellenism with its multiplicity of philosophical insights, would act as a catalyst for the emergence of Christianity, in the west, whereas in the east, with no such high culture, all you have are Semitic tribes, Arabs, with their own spiritual beliefs, coming in contact with Judaism and this producing Islam. The similarities between Judaism and Islam are too many to ignore, as there are similarities between Christianity and Judaism, but so severely morphed because of the power of the Hellenic spirit.
Christianity takes Hellenism, and merges it selectively with portions of it, while, at the same time, replacing the metaphors and names, so that it wears the garment of Hellenism while its soul is Judaic.
in the east, Islam takes a different route, infecting Zoroastrianism, essentially obliterating it, but not before some cross-contamination produces a splintering of Sunni and Shia variations.
Just like in the west, the Aryan blood is so potent that it causes a rift in the virus that begins to infect it.
Persia, Iran, converts but not before it adapts the virus to its own traditions.
Same thing occurred in the west...only there Hellenism was so powerful, as the Romans discovered and were overwhelmed internally, that it also causes a rift in Judaism, splintering it into three segments...Orthodoxy, the original.....cultural (Marxism), and social/political (Zionism) Judaism.
All three in competition with each other...the last two Zionism and Marxism are two sides of the same coin: one (Zionism) is cultural, expressed politically, and the second (Marxism) is political, ideology, expressed culturally.
The first, affected and rejuvenated by Hellenic tribalism and spirituality seeks to return to its tribal roots, and the second, affected by Hellenic cosmopolitanism, wants to eliminate all tribal roots.
We are living in the era of cultural Marxism

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Sun Oct 14, 2018 6:44 pm

We have to treat memes like we do genes....they are extensions of organic memories, determined by the (inter)actions, the relationship, of a population with its environment, over huge periods of time.
The meme like technology....an extension of this relationship, or an externalization of the accumulated understanding of a group of itself.....self-knowledge, Know Thyself.
All machines are extensions of man's understanding of his own processes....they are copies of this understanding.
Memes are even more organic, because they require no lucid understanding but grow from an interaction of man with world.

I'm glad Shapiro affirmed the connection of Judaism and Christianity, because many men-children, enamoured with Nietzsche and his brutal assault no Christianity, refuse to follow the threads and see how it applies to both Islam and Judaism.
Memes, like genes merge, synthesize, cross-contaminate, compete, assimilate/absorb (feed, eat) one another.
There are genetic mutations and then there are memetic mutations....and both can be detrimental or beneficial to the organism....both can either offer an advantage or a disadvantage, or become cancerous.
There are diseases that affect the body and then there are mental diseases....genetic and memetic viruses, parasites, scavengers, predators and prey.
Like the mid is an extension of the body, of the brain....the meme is an extension of the gene.
Genes are encoded memories informing the organism on how to act and react, and that is what memes are. One sues DNA, algorithms, and the other linguistic algorithms.
Mind/Body are not different, but the same perceived within different contexts.
DNA are memories, experiences of trial and error established as successful processes....some become latent, others become inactive,a waiting a circumstantial triggering.
Language is this externalized or in the context of mind.
Semiotics are externalized memories - codes of memory, established, through trial and error, as successful, as useful...some become dormant, awaiting a trigger.

Ideas, ideologies, can be like genes...selfish, using the host as means, not an end - self-perpetuating, no matter what the cost is to the host.
I call such ideologies memetic viruses.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:31 am

Like all art, language has a life of its own, independent from the ones that created it, or from how it emerged through the (inter)action o a people and an environment, through the evolution in time.
Once the art is externalized, and the technology, it no longer belongs to the creator. He can only repair it, and construct new art and technologies using the same methodology.
The one who discovers it, can only use it, imitate it, exploit it, and try to discern the underlying principles by thinking Top<>Down, starting with the appearance and exploring the process of its creation.
Most simply use it, adapting it to their own motives.

For example, a rich guy can't become a famous artist, nor copy the art, he can only purchase the creation to imply that he can, or that he appreciates the genius the process.
He may purchase art that displays the degeneracy of superficiality, and use it as a display of his degenerate superficiality.
Another example is the computer. We can't repair, nor even fully understand what went into producing it, but we purchase it and use it for our own ends.
Similarly a language can be adopted, learned, and used, without fully understanding the underlying logic, not appreciate the process, the historical events, that each contributed to the final product.
When superficiality is the norm then imitation, parasitism is the rule. Some of the tribes I mentioned never produced any art of their own, nothing grand, noble and profound. But many of its members did excel in imitating and appropriating the art that was given to them, or their stole.

When you adopt a historical process by imitating the final result, you cannot help but corrupt its underlying 'logic', because you might learn and know, the history but you can't fully appreciate it.
The only thing you can do is copy the result, the final product, and imitating it you can try to excel in its use and application.
Unless you are willing and able to completely erase your own 'art' and your own memories, beginning with your DNA, you can't hope to graft the new ones in their place.
If you simply bury and try to forget your won heritage, wanting to become a member of a new culture, by learning its language, its traditions, you may, in time, become adept at imitating it superficially and applying its basic tenets, but your won heritage will not be gone. It will corrupt the overlaying transplanted culture and warp it in subtle ways, that will accumulate, over time, to become discernible.
Like translating a limb or a organ,....the graft may be rejected, but if it 'takes' then the merger is still not completely stable.
There's even evidence of residual effects, like change in personality, that can only be explained as the effect of an alien DNA communicating its memories to the stranger mind. But the evidence is inconclusive and may be explained using psychosomatic causes.

Language is art, and technology. It externalized noetic abstractions....just as technology externalizes man's understanding of himself and the world, using a medium.
By being externalized it acquires a life of its own....its own range of possibilities, as these are projected by the concious minds that adopt it and apply it, each for its own ends.
It is possible for the meme to have a self-preserving underlying mechanism that may contradict the well-being of genes, just as a virus, or a parasite, has its own self-serving motives that do not agree with those of the organism it infiltrates and hijacks.
An ideology, for example, may be interested in its own propagation at the expense of any single or group of humans. It behaves like a typical virus/ or parasite. The ideology using the host mind for its own ends, indifferent to the welfare and potentials of the organism it infects and has appropriated....has hijacked.
The organism may even experience this loss of self-determination as a pleasant by-product of its surrender, similar to how an individual experiences drug use, or alcohol ingestion: a pleasant yet self-destructive.
Pleasant because the chemicals detach it from reality, and make it experience esoteric fantasies, and self-destructive because mind/body evolved to engage world, not escape it, and to cope with it, not pretend it does not exist.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Wed Oct 17, 2018 6:01 am

Gene <> Meme Dynamics permits us to find comparable, to human ideologies and social organization, in the natural world.
Man does not invent his ideologies from nothing; doesn't fabricate memes out of nil.
Memes are extensions of genes and our shared biological heritage means every natural expressions witnessed in other species finds itself in man.

To fully understand the ideology of Communism we must find a comparable natural example, such as bee hives and ant colonies.
If we study these species we can find reflections in the Communist manifesto.

Some facts about bees:
-Bees are entirely feminine, except for a seasonal tolerance for masculinity.
-Bees species have an absence of self-consciousness and have do not exercise any form of free-will. What free-will is available to life is sacrificed to the community, via the queen who acts as a trigger, as well as being a propagator of shared genes.
-Bees species have a feminine queen who is not in control of the hive or colony. Each individual bee follows genetic programming without coercion. Its will is entirely dedicated to the group.
-A Hive is a family of sisters. They share genes. So we can think of it as a single organism made of multiple members. The gene is decentralized in multiplicity, requiring no centralized control.
-The entire life of a bee is focused on work.

If we transfer (μεταφορα), metaphorically, hive dynamics to human contexts, we can find how each factor necessary to a healthy hive is replaced, in human contexts.
Through this analysis we can see the Marxism's ideal citizen, or its vision of the 'perfect man for their perfect system' - Utopia.
The first thing to acknowledge is the difference of self-consciousness.
Marxism deals with it by controlling knowledge, enforcing rules, dumbing-down - socially manufacturing its 'ideal citizen'.
A citizen who is emasculated, feminized, and tolerates masculine energy in particular circumstances, for specific duties, and only for a short while. Marxist Utopia is entirely feminine is spirit.
No genetic markers are tolerated other than that which identifies a member of a hive.
Bees deal with masculine/feminine divisiveness, by excluding masculinity altogether.
In Communist Utopian societies, no gender identifiers, no racial identifiers, not any natural identifier is tolerated. The only identifier is that which marks you are a member of a community - ideals/ideology.
It is also decentralized. It requires no force, no king, president, no leader, no overt hierarchy. If the ideal citizen is present (s)he knows her duties innately, and follows the programming loyally and restlessly. Her entire life dedicated to work. All are equal within a hive, as they ought to be in a Communist Utopia.
the queen in a bee-hive does not impose her will upon the other bees, she simply does her own work of laying eggs and copying new worker bees. She does act as a centralizing focus for all the other bees.
This is how the human envisions his own communist Utopia: decentralized, requiring no overt hierarchy, and the centralized institution, acting as a focus for the community, as it continuously does its own 'work' of cloning, educating, the next generations of 'perfect citizens'. Social engineering replaces reproduction.
Free-Will is dealt with by labelling it a 'myth'. Orwellian tactics are used. If a mind denies a concept, or has no word for it, it cannot be tempted by it. Free-will would be detrimental to communal cohesion so, like the Devil and Christian, its existence should be denied.
The absence of a shared genetic code, present in communal species, such as bees, termites, ants, means Communism has to replace it with an alternate unifying code: ideology, created shared and maintained through semiotics: symbols/language.
Human awareness is a problem bees do not have. Man's instinctual drive to propagate and to promote his own genetic line, is a problem for Communism it has yet to solve.
Christianity deals with it by making its 'Queen Bee' an idea in a beyond space/time' a masculine energy that does not disturb the feminized community, but used biological males, as its masculine proxies. The emasculated biological male only acts sexually on behalf of the only male allowed to exist - the idea of masculinity, God. He is but a reflection of God's dominance, giving birth to God's progeny.
Marxism sought to replace 'god' with the Institution, the State, but the State is too tangible, not as ideological, abstract, as the Christian God is. Muslims and Jews don't even have an image of him, or are not permitted to make one, unlike the Christians who, having been ex-pagans, and after much bloodshed, are permitted their icons and idols, representing their masculine deity.
But, still, the Christian iconography is a representation of the intangible...the ideology in form, colour.
Marxism has its own iconography but the institution itself must be represented by individuals - the politburo.
It has a tangible face, that challenges its membership with its corporeal presence, sparking natural reactions.
Social engineering can deal with the nurturing, but it leaves nature unaffected. It denies the very thing that stands in the way of its Utopia. Eugenics, along with social engineering, would fabricate an idea(l) citizen-worker human - sex-less, race-less, will-less.
With no techniques and technologies to achieve the task, Marxism has blamed everything but itself, for its failures.
Abrahamism deals with it with self-abnegating, guilt, shame, sacrificing self for its sinfulness, its imperfections.
The meme, the ideology, is left intact, unblemished, 'perfect', and the stress is expunged through ritualized self-punishment - asceticism.
But Communism did not do this. It slaughtered, punished, tortured, its imperfect, citizens for failing to live-up to its perfection.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Wed Oct 17, 2018 6:26 am

Meme is an extension of gene - their externalization.
By externalizing it it is translated into a new form, like a representation of a real object, such as the human body, can be converted to a statue - the physical form converted to abstraction, and the abstraction converted to stone.
In the process man can corrupt the product, or may add to it components that it was missing in the first conversion.
The externalization can be disloyal to the abstraction.
The idea can be given symbol, form, limits in expression, to adhere to a desirable outcome within a context such as social hierarchies.

So, sexual specialization is given colour, behavioural limits, to discipline it to specific social circumstances with their own motives, and central ideals, principles.
We call this 'gender'.
It can be more in harmony with naturally evolved specialized reproductive roles (sexual kinds), or completely contrary to them, as in the case with Nihilistic ideologies.
Sometimes corrupting the natural specialized role, or in many cases, denying its existence. Such denials, are negations of what evolved, expressed as a denial that gender roles exist and are memetic, social extensions, of genetics, specialized roles.

A nihilistic meme must eradicate all genetics that inhibit its realization. It is idealism detached from reality, seeking to become real. It attempts to do so by selectively denying, and rejecting natural identifiers and naturally evolved processes.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:50 pm


As in genes so in memes.
Herbivores consume energy from the sun....carnivores consume other consumers.....omnivores consume both.
Decomposers and detrivores consume the excrement, or by-products of the others consumers.
Parasites feed off, and on, the others.
All three natural evolved consumers have their equivalent in memetics, or within human economic and ideological systems.
Each has its specialized groups, and cultures developed around each survival method.

Memes evolve as extensions of genetically evolved systems, social organizations, and survival strategies...except nihilistic ones which refer to nothing in nature so they can only survive by lying, self-contradiction, and/or by masking themselves as something else and surviving through proxies, parasitically.
Parasites can't consume energies directly from nature or by feeding on those who can, they must hide within hosts, pretending they are part of the host, and feeding of or on the host without being detected.  
Scavengers feed on the dead, ro the refuse of the living, but parasites feed on the living and cause its death, at which point they find a new host to feed off and on.
If we understand what a memetic virus is, and where it emerges and why, and how, then we can understand how a parasite would evolve to merge with the virus and become a symbiotic organism, one complementing the other, and both becoming more effective and efficient in unison.
A gene/meme symbiont, that has completely corrupted the host's genetics to adapt them to the virus.

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Nihilism is an ideology and nothing more. It is pure idea(l), propagated via 'logos', and by 'pure' I mean entirely noetic, abstract, with no reference in reality.
The concept of nihilism is defined by nihilism as a reality that denies the mind what it needs, or expects, or demands in order to cope with the world as it is.    
Unable to cope with a world that lacks purpose, a god, universal morality, or any absolute, it constructs what ti desperately needs and projects these noetic constructs as 'more real', to fill in the absence.
A cosmos lacking them is labelled a 'negative' ergo they are nihilists, and they come in two kinds...'pure' or authentic and 'positive' or self-contradiction, self-deceiving noes...the latter being the most popular.

This nihilism, as I noted, is a by-product of human self-consciousness...this is the weakness, the vulnerability is seeks to protect, and compensate for.
Nihilism uses the absent absolute in two ways...
To fabricate and validate any absurdity, no the grounds that omniscience, or absolute knowledge/understanding, is lacking, ergo anything is possible.
Modernity, is the variant that pushes this delusion to its extreme and claims that since absolute knowledge/understanding is missing, therefore all theories, perspectives are equally possible.

The second way Nihilists use and apply the nil, the absence of absolutes, is as a defensive method of dismissing any theory that threatens or challenges their own.  
This is the cynics ploy. It dismisses a theory no matte the quantity and quality of evidence and reasoning, in relation to its own, on the grounds that it is flawed, since nobody can ever be absolute certain, because omniscience is missing. Therefore, if it finds one flaw, one weakness, it rejects the theory, declaring its own as equally or more probable, though it is inferior in evidence and reasoning.
The nil acts as a fail safe...an excuse to reject every theory that threatens its well-being, or insults its ego.

Memes can evolve around the consumer types....entire cultures, traditions, shaped to facilitate the five kinds of consuming, or surviving.
Morals, spirituality, hierarchies, social structures, evolve from this.
From genes to memes.
From genetic codes, and specialization to ideologies, cultures, and language.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Wed Oct 17, 2018 9:14 pm

Identifying the virus as an ideology, we can see how it behaves like a typical virus....disregarding the welfare of the host it infects, but using it to propagate by infecting more minds....this is the nihilistic ideology.
The parasite/virus symbiont has a different arrangement.
The host suffers a loss, but also gains a benefit from accommodating the virus.

Three types of symbiosis


The symbiont of host/virus can establish either a comensalism or mutualism, and together practice parasitism against other hosts.
The parasite conceals itself within the host, or on the host, imitating its processes so that the host's autoimmune system or its defensive measures will not detect it.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Wed Oct 17, 2018 9:21 pm

We can describe Hellenism or what has been called by the derogatory term 'paganism' as longing to the omnivorous genetic and memetic type - a harmony of how it relates to world.
Paganism builds itself around the hearth, the ground....consuming energies directly from the sun, or by preying on other organisms, primarily herbivores.
They make of these sources gods, and they give thanks through ritualized sacrifices.
Their relationship to nature is honest and direct.
Language is formed around this honesty and directness...and language is a reflection of culture - meme.
Memes can only propagate using semiotics - symbols as codes....in the same way organisms propagate suing genetic codes.

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PostSubject: Re: GENE <> MEME Wed Oct 17, 2018 9:34 pm

When a virus takes hold the infected organism loses all sense of self, and all contact with reality. The process is gradual, and may be accompanied by a sense of pleasure....because existence is experienced as need/suffering, any disconnection from this experience of existing, is felt as pleasure, as numbness.
The infected mind can no longer reality to world...and this is reflected in its use and application of art, language being one type of art.
It can no longer create and procreate, but only plagiarize, imitate and synthesize what it parasitically collects.
This is most evident in memetic parasites where any great art is conspicuously absent, all it has are imitations of the culture it feeds on. This is also evident in its use and application of language, and in its spirituality...how it defines and conceptualizes its sacred principles, its ideals and its gods.

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