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PostSubject: White privilege. Sun Mar 10, 2013 10:31 am

Im trying to understand this concept.

Ive tried listening to youtube vids and other articles discussing this but i cannot stomach either watching nor reading them to the end. I makes me quite literally sick.

Is this really a valid concept? Everytime i even try to take the view into consideration i feel ashamed of being white.
But how am i supposed to combat the concept when i dont quite understand it?

I'd like to hear back on this if possible and thanks in advance.
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PostSubject: Re: White privilege. Sun Mar 10, 2013 11:51 am

It's a way of attacking white excellence by suggesting that any perceived inequalities are a result of whites "cheating" by rigging the system.

Thus, discrimination against whites becomes "fair" in order to correct this supposed injustice.

It's racism.

"Cis" privilege is another, used by trannies. Comfortable-in-skin.

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PostSubject: Re: White privilege. Sun Mar 10, 2013 8:10 pm

novice wrote:
Im trying to understand this concept.

Ive tried listening to youtube vids and other articles discussing this but i cannot stomach either watching nor reading them to the end. I makes me quite literally sick.

Is this really a valid concept? Everytime i even try to take the view into consideration i feel ashamed of being white.
But how am i supposed to combat the concept when i dont quite understand it?

I'd like to hear back on this if possible and thanks in advance.

Read upon your clan/family history, your country and your racial history. See what is it about Whites that you are ashamed of, or made to feel ashamed of... no short cuts. Confront yourself and heritage honestly.
Even if white "privileges" were lying about, you'll have to make them yours; self Real-ize it. Else you won't discover/carve your self-worth.


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PostSubject: Re: White privilege. Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:42 pm

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It's a way of attacking white excellence by suggesting that any perceived inequalities are a result of whites "cheating" by rigging the system.

Thus, discrimination against whites becomes "fair" in order to correct this supposed injustice.

It's racism.

"Cis" privilege is another, used by trannies. Comfortable-in-skin.


Yeah i figured as much. It seems as though people who proclaim white privilege are the ones that are the most vicous and venomous of people looking for an excuse to "bash".

Appreciate the response.

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Read upon your clan/family history, your country and your racial history. See what is it about Whites that you are ashamed of, or made to feel ashamed of... no short cuts. Confront yourself and heritage honestly.
Even if white "privileges" were lying about, you'll have to make them yours; self Real-ize it. Else you won't discover/carve your self-worth.

Yes, Lyssa. Ive dug up as much as i can on my heritage and I cant say im ashamed at all of my heritage. It makes my blood pump harder when i think about it, in pride.
What i meant by feeling shame is that i can kinda see their arguments and "feel" the implications. I dont agree with it and i believe it is flawed. If you guys dont mind i would like to break the arguments down and maybe we can go through them together if you gusy wouldnt mind. I'll be on later tonight and copy and paste their key arguments here and we will take it from there.
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PostSubject: Re: White privilege. Mon Mar 11, 2013 8:29 pm

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] is all i could really find. This is all pretty redundant. I am no longer interested in exploring it.
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PostSubject: Re: White privilege. Mon Mar 11, 2013 9:14 pm

Nice link Novice; you can see the whole academia backing up such 'clinical studies' and such blame/shame premises.
This happened last month: a nine year old child shamed and bullied for being white Suicides.
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Leaving the issue of racism aside, I wonder how on earth does a nine-year old! think of suicide and death? How does he learn how to kill himself? How does he learn death can end his suffering?...

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PostSubject: Re: White privilege. Tue Mar 12, 2013 5:05 pm

I think we whites will come out all the stronger after these times. This is the weeding out of the weakest whites. The feminization and white shame. While all the other races are catered too and dont have to grow. Yet the underlying agenda of the zio-machine still makes the future uncertain to predict accurately.
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PostSubject: Re: White privilege. Tue Mar 12, 2013 6:04 pm

Decadence was a good documentary.
Nothing new, but a useful repetition of what Modernity is and what Libertarianism is leading to.

But, they still make it seem like porn, in the second episode dealing with sex, is what is driving people apart.
I do not believe this is the case.

For me porn, and all this sexual dysfunction and alienation and dissatisfaction, is a necessary part of this disconnect between man and nature...his own nature.
Porn is a technological compensation, managing the disparity Modern ideals are creating between man and reality.
Porn is how the current culture deals with the residual effects of feminization and Modern decay, based on a anti-nature underpinning.

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PostSubject: Re: White privilege. Tue Mar 12, 2013 7:10 pm

Satyr wrote:
Decadence was a good documentary.
Nothing new, but a useful repetition of what Modernity is and what Libertarianism is leading to.

Yes, its nothing new; that's why I posted the whole list - it is a generalizing of our times.

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But, they still make it seem like porn, in the second episode dealing with sex, is what is driving people apart.
I do not believe this is the case.

For me porn, and all this sexual dysfunction and alienation and dissatisfaction, is a necessary part of this disconnect between man and nature...his own nature.
Porn is a technological compensation, managing the disparity Modern ideals are creating between man and reality.
Porn is how the current culture deals with the residual effects of feminization and Modern decay, based on a anti-nature underpinning.

Thanks.


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PostSubject: Re: White privilege. Tue Mar 12, 2013 7:11 pm

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I think we whites will come out all the stronger after these times. This is the weeding out of the weakest whites. The feminization and white shame. While all the other races are catered too and dont have to grow. Yet the underlying agenda of the zio-machine still makes the future uncertain to predict accurately.

Pressure makes or breaks.

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PostSubject: Re: White privilege. Mon Sep 16, 2013 9:26 am

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PostSubject: Re: White privilege. Fri Sep 20, 2013 7:15 pm

A thought which occurred to me while watching the following video about white privelege.
This idea of "White Privilege" may also be a way of ensuring the dumbing down of white people. Telling children that they're privileged and should feel guilty about that not only demotivates them (seeing as society's opinion, or rather, their parents', are important to a child) but also sends an underlying message that they do not have to work for anything - it will come to them, because they're white.
If in their achievements they only look forward to guilt and the path of least resistance opened up to them is to do nothing but be white then experience, motivation and the self-control which comes with all of it will be stunted. This may also explain the narcissistic entitlement newer generations have.

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PostSubject: Re: White privilege. Sat Sep 21, 2013 1:17 am

You're speaking of those who actually do have some degree of privilege. I couldn't agree more that by telling those with privilege how privileged they are, they will suffer from guilt and lack of motivation. I have never been privileged in comparison to those surrounding me so I always took it as insulting and hypocrisy. The problem is that I showed weakness in my response to it. I would claim that those underprivileged white people deserved extra help just like black people would get extra help whether they needed it or not. If I made those claims as only a tactic to fool people it wouldn't have been as bad, but I really meant it.

We could try to shame those who use the term "white privilege" by explaining to them or showing them videos of white people who live terribly, not just as a group, but individuals. Any account of a white person who has suffered terrible illness his entire life or photo of a white person which is very difficult to look at, because of the pity it provokes, with a caption that says "White Privilege" would work. And then if one wanted to go even further, one only would need to find a photo of healthy rich black people laughing amongst themselves next to the other photo, maybe even include an address where us ancestors of slave owners can send our reparation money. Or even go farther and say that the extremely underprivileged white person had put off an important surgery to do his part in the reparations, maybe claim that if his physical pain isn't keeping him up at night, his shame for his ancestors and his tears for the plight of the average middle class black person are.

But, these tactics are shameful in themselves. When one hears an angry swine screeching at him, it is best to throw it some swill and move on.
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PostSubject: Re: White privilege. Mon Sep 23, 2013 3:22 pm

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PostSubject: Re: White privilege. Mon Feb 10, 2014 12:21 pm

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PostSubject: Re: White privilege. Mon Feb 10, 2014 1:12 pm

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Foreshadowing a fuller discussion later in this introduction, we can broadly sketch Sahlins’ answer to the question of how it is that cultures cease to produce continuity through change by noting that it turns on the notion of humiliation. People will not stop perceiving the world that confronts them through their received categories and bending it to their own values until they come to see those categories and values – that is, their culture – as something shameful and debased. To quote a turn of phrase that almost every chapter of the volume discusses: before people give up on their culture, they

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must first learn to hate what they already have, what they have always considered their
well-being. Beyond that, they have to despise what they are, to hold their own existence
in contempt – and want, then, to be someone else (Sahlins, 1992a, p.24).


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PostSubject: Re: White privilege. Tue Apr 15, 2014 9:47 pm

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PostSubject: Re: White privilege. Wed Apr 16, 2014 12:06 am

Anti anti-white is really becoming another type of propaganda... maybe inadvertently... also david duke is such a tool...
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PostSubject: Re: White privilege. Wed Apr 16, 2014 4:09 am

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also david duke is such a tool...

Absolutely!

He's a total red herring.
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PostSubject: Re: White privilege. Wed Apr 16, 2014 9:50 am

Perpetual, I'm aware of that, and he's one of those pro-Xt. anti-semitic fundamentalists, but this video makes relevant points.

The situation today [consider how Xt. Golden Dawn is] has become that propaganda can be dealt only with propaganda... and I believe that's a fair way to go since it initially takes a Crude Barbarism to give a jolt first. Win it at every quarter. Play bad,, then play bad.

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PostSubject: Re: White privilege. Fri Feb 12, 2016 8:06 am

SJW Premise on Slavery: whites are worse (than other races) because of chattel slavery that made slaves personal property instead of 'community' workers with rights. That is, they acknowledge that other races did indeed do slavery, but they were "more kind". What's stated as particularly egregious about the white's chattel slavery (contra serfdom/'regular' slavery) is the fact that it gave slave owners rights to the offspring of slaves and treated slaves as personal property instead of as humans.

Yet, Europe is the origin of capitalism…

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The history of capitalism can be traced back to early forms of merchant capitalism practiced in Western Europe during the Middle Ages. It began to develop into its modern form during the Early Modern period in the Protestant countries of North-Western Europe, especially the Netherlands and England.
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The Medieval period lasted from the 5th to the 15th century.
The Early Modern period of modern history follows the late Middle Ages of the post-classical era. The timeframe spans the period after the late portion of the post-classical age (c. 1500), known as the Middle Ages, through the beginning of the Age of Revolutions (c. 1800) and is variously demarcated by historians as beginning with the Fall of Constantinople in 1453.

Is it surprising that with privation, came increased control/rights over property and demand for those same rights over slaves? Supposedly the other races were more "moral" in their treatment by virtue of being racially different from Europeans. Making the guilting of white people justified. When, instead, there was an emerging idea of capitalism that accounts for this difference.

Is capitalism something that's "white", too? Something whites don't feel any shame about - but Marxists certainly don't like capitalism.

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Capitalism, separated from chattel slavery - instead of them being connected intimately, they are separate 'engines' of European power. The intent of formulating this separation is to make it appear as if Europeans spontaneously came up with such a devilish idea to enslave offspring, supposedly out of some sort of hatred for them or other kind of evil intent different from capitalistic greed.
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PostSubject: Re: White privilege. Mon Jun 27, 2016 11:45 pm

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White privilege as Normative Commons
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The Propertarian definition of property is expansive, it far exceeds the Lockean rationalist theory of property, which is limited merely to objects. See Operational Property for an expanded discussion. Conservatives tend to intuit a large range of property, far beyond what Libertarians intuit. One of the most interesting forms of property, at least it should be of obvious interest to conservatives, is Informal Institutional Property:

d) INFORMAL INSTITUTIONAL PROPERTY: Informal (Normative) Institutions: Our norms: manners, ethics, morals, myths, and rituals that consist of our social portfolio and which make our social order possible.
“Those properties in which we have invested our forgone opportunities, our efforts, or our material assets, in order to aggregate capital from multiple individuals for mutual gain.”

A social portfolio which makes our social order possible. That sounds very important to me. Things that make our social order possible are profoundly important to me.

No libertarian can conceive of a set of norms being a form of property, although they are something in which we invest, and something that we defend. This may seem abstract, so let us develop a concrete example of Informal Institutional Property, a normative commons with which we are all familiar: White privilege.

White privilege is a normative commons. A norm is a standard of behavior. A commons is a property that is maintained by a group, because it brings economic benefits to the group. A normative commons is a set of behaviors that brings benefits to a group.

Many know the tragedy of the commons dilemma often quoted in Austrian economic theory. In this situation, the commons is destroyed. How is it destroyed and how is it maintained? For a commons to exist, the group must pay a cost: opportunity cost. In the grazing sheep example of the tragedy of the commons, the herders allow the field to be overgrazed and destroyed for all. Each herder who does not overgraze the field pays an opportunity cost. He has the opportunity to grab all the resources for himself, and deprive them to the next guy. When he only grazes responsibly, he forgoes the opportunity to grab all the resources for himself. Forgoing this opportunity is the opportunity cost. If everyone forgoes the opportunity cost, the commons is maintained, if they do not pay the opportunity cost, the commons is destroyed.

In a normative commons, each person who forgoes the opportunity of breaking the norm, then pays the cost of maintaining the norms. So, when one lives in a White area, common areas such as shops (markets) will likely be open for browsing, because the norm of behavior is to not steal. Each time a White goes into a store and does not steal, he pays the opportunity cost, equal to the value of the items not stolen. By paying this cost, the norm of keeping shopping areas open to browsing is maintained. Areas with large numbers of Blacks experience increased incidence of crime. In these areas, the risk to shop owners or other providers to allow Blacks free access exceeds the benefits of open browsing (with a main benefit being increased economic velocity). Thus you see convenience stores with no common area, that only sell what can be passed through a bullet-proof teller window. The commons has been destroyed.

Or perhaps someone will follow Blacks through a store to make sure they do not steal, while allowing Whites to browse freely, in this case the normative commons is extended to White co-ethnics, but not to Black co-ethnics. The Whites are the beneficiaries of this normative commons, because they (as a group) pay the opportunity cost of maintaining it.

It is common knowledge that Black cab drivers will often drive past Blacks and pick up White passengers instead. This White privilege is accrued to the White ethnic group because the members of the group tend to forgo the opportunity to rob the Black cabbie. Black cabbies understand this and accord the privilege to the White ethnics who will maintain the normative commons. Blacks could earn this privilege by paying for it through maintaining the normative commons. Unfortunately for them, enough of them create the tragedy of the commons for their own co-ethnics by abusing their privilege and not forgoing the opportunity cost.

Privilege is said to be unearned (though I doubt any form of privilege is really unearned). White privilege is not unearned. It is bought and paid for through the cost of maintaining the normative commons. To insist that the privileges accorded to Whites (who maintain the normative commons), be accorded to ethic groups who do not pay the cost of maintaining the commons is futile: market forces will ensure that the privilege is only accorded to those who pay for it. Call it racist if you want. It is simply the market at work.

Whites as a group defend this normative commons vigorously, using education, shaming and other tactics. Most middle-class Whites will have definite memories of how they were taught not to steal, and why stealing is wrong. Though certainly none of the lessons included the concept of a normative commons or informal institutional property.

This example should help you grasp exactly how a set of behaviors (norms) are a property. They are a property because they are defended. They are created through investment, paid for by forgoing opportunity costs. The social portfolio of these normative commons are what allows Western civilization to flourish with a stable social order. They are the tools that have led to the economic dominance of the Western peoples, and now the increasing dominance of the civilized Asian peoples, which defend a rich set of normative commons. The value of this particular property should not be underestimated.


Whites pay opportunity costs (not committing certain crimes, for example) that others dont, this leads to whites recieving favours from everyone else, before anyone else - privilege.


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