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PostSubject: Re: Christianity Christianity - Page 5 EmptySat Mar 24, 2018 6:01 am

What would be the point in creating a alternate, fantasy, reality and make it more negative than the world?
These, more intellectual types, tend to want to live in their own minds, or if they lack the artistry, they tend to live in the minds of others, in worlds others fabricate.

Pure nihilists are, simply, less creative, or unable to live in fantasy, so they dream of erasing the real, and everyone else with it.
Their deceptions are founded on a level of self-honesty, and integrity.
They know they hate the world, existence, and they also despise those who don't, thinking of them as deceptive....which in many cases, like the positive nihilists, it is accurate.
'Positive nihilists' are deceptive, through and through.
They hate everyone who rejects their lie, forcing them to reconsider its validity.
They want to live in thir own heads, but this can become boring, so they need others to participate in it.
They replace the unpredictability of an unconscious world, with the more predictable, unpredictability of a conscious other.  
Controlled stress is how the modern deals with the ennui produced by trying to escape the stress of existing.  
Like exercise, the asceticism of the modern age.
Like movies and computer games.

Christians call their noetic positive idealization of 'self', one-God, and place him in a fantasy realm, which only means they segregate him in their head, away from reality.
Only in the head is there an 'outside' or 'beyond' existence.....as part of the 1/0 binary logic - only in the mind can existence be faced with its dualistic contrary, non-existence.  
In reality, outside the mind, the non-existent is exactly that.
Nihilists simply invert the values.....the nil becomes a 'positive' to the world's experienced positive, now renamed a nil.
The experienced is now an illusion, or negative in some way....evil.
This is the body, the physical, the corporeal, tangible world.
The more 'real' real is the mind, the idea(l), the noumenon....which is intangible, because it exists only in the mind as vague idea(l)....and is always perfect, complete, divine, because it is not affected by the world, and its vagueness makes it seem unsoiled, as much as it is untested.
When, and if, it is applied, as in the case of Abrahamism and Marxism, the mind never doubts the idea(l) but only itself and the application. It blames otherness, the world, because the noumenon, the idea(l) is always perfect, sacred, unblemished, indubitable.

This is a very seductive idea(l), particularly for those that lack courage, and integrity, and feel wronged, threatened by their own existence, by a determined past, by an uncertain, indifferent cosmos.

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PostSubject: Re: Christianity Christianity - Page 5 EmptySat Mar 24, 2018 9:19 am

The response is pretty simple: demand they put into practice what they put into faith. If they are not 100% sure of something, logically, then they are not able to do it. And they must abandon the value of science and its demand for falsifiability and anything its produced; the assertion going something like "Satan being responsible for lack of sureity makes your 'logical' system unfalsifiable"

The body/mind disconnect comes from lying for profiteering's sake (if not war). Those good at it, wish to make it a regular thing - and they're trying to destroy any culture and peoples who see lying as a great evil. The Old Testament limited it to those of the tribe and Christianity made it 'universal'. One expects liars in war, but not among your own people.

Whomever is allowed a 'group identity' while all others are not, are given the ability to convert lie into truth at whatever tyrannical convenience.
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PostSubject: Re: Christianity Christianity - Page 5 EmptySat Mar 24, 2018 5:49 pm

Impulso Oscuro wrote:
Its brought up an idea ive had for a while, is it just me or do many of these Christian or Gnostic types, tend to have a high iq, and that having an iq that is too high tends towards adopting positive nihilism?

I know they are often called dishonest/stupid, but perhaps having too much intelligence has diminishing returns and can produce a nihilistic attitude. Am i on to something?

Don't think so. Atheists have a higher IQ on average. But there will be more intelligent religious people, as there are more religious people overall, which is probably what made you draw the conclusion that they are more intelligent.

To be fair, it is possible that even though atheists have a higher IQ on average, that theists are more represented in the extreme high end of the bell curve (even accounting for their numerical superiority), but usually that's not how these things work.
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PostSubject: Re: Christianity Christianity - Page 5 EmptySat Mar 24, 2018 6:43 pm

Skepticism is a sign of intelligence.
Smart people end to doubt what they were raised to believe and usually stop believing in irrational things.
Atheism is a denial of Abrahamic upbringing.....and agnosticism is the more rational conclusion.
It cannot absolutely dismiss any theory, so it places it on a probability level.
But all theories are placed there.
Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy, Big Foot.
Saying something might be possible is not saying that it is probable.
With no absolute knowledge, omniscience, the most honest position is one of degrees of probability.
In the case of God, as the Abrahamics define the concept, and given what I now understand about human brains and psychology and how the absolute is constructed and maintained, I would say the probability is so low that it isn't even worth thinking about......far lower than the probability for a yet to be discovered unknown primate species living in some forgotten part of the planet.

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PostSubject: Re: Christianity Christianity - Page 5 EmptySat Mar 24, 2018 7:13 pm

Yes, and that is the problem with almost everybody who calls themselves an agnostic.

They will only apply their agnosticism selectively, when it comes to God, but they will casually refer to Santa Claus, Tooth Fairy, and so on as non-existent instead of claiming they don't know if those things exist or not. Really the only reason most of them call themselves agnostics is avoidance of conflict with religious people.

I would say that some specific concepts of God are not only improbable but also impossible, as they are inconsistent.

I wrote about this on ILP 4 years ago

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PostSubject: Re: Christianity Christianity - Page 5 EmptySat Mar 24, 2018 7:44 pm

Being a smart-ass jackoff isn't intelligence or an indicative of it(especially when the jack-off obsesses over the given topic being discussed aswell as being absolutely and without an errr at any time right when speaking and discussing it and on top of that reherses his performance daily and also thinks in a logic seperate and alien to the regular intelligence). They are(in America)what the Jehova witnesses are in Europe; a sect of people living in their WORDLY reality and once being duped by and into it themselves thinking that their mastery over one book(and its words and the words of those that don't believe it)will grant them happines and salvation unaware of the fact that somebody has made them into ideal salesman and rhethoritics perfect to go and pitch his shit for him to the masses of imbecyles in the big cities. You dont argue with what they say but against what they say, you dont try to logically dismiss their arguments but you dismiss their behaviour as a whole. Like this imbecyle Sargon of Akkad when he started crying 'what is white' and these cretins instead of highlighting and shunning him for a filthy tactic(posing a deep yet impossible to adress without precision of words and terms question and an argument and then spinning suspense off of it to hide yourself in its silence) and then impressing the audience with an elaborate answer to the question(as they should be able to do being white nationalists), totally destroying his character and intellect wrested in pig shit with this ugly pig bearly coming off better than he did and most importantly infantilizing the whole discussion when 6 guests were invited and wasted their time which they trusted you with...In this specific instance it should have been this shouting and swearing tantrum guy whos the host but he seems to me to want to entertain this niche so he must have been over the moon at that time...


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PostSubject: Re: Christianity Christianity - Page 5 EmptySat Mar 24, 2018 7:49 pm

When you are in a boxing match or a race and somebody comes to race on a bike when its a marathon you dont clench your teeth or laugh at him whilst allowing him to compete for the same prize with his unfair advantage but you either refuse to compete or stick a big, fat stick in his wheel...Cunts like Akkad are trying to assault civilization out of insecurity and for personal gain and should be resisted as seriously as a real invader with a gun.
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PostSubject: Re: Christianity Christianity - Page 5 EmptySun Mar 25, 2018 5:01 am

People just don’t have any respect for the pope, the bishops and priests anymore. The last inquisition was a long time ago and they got replaced as influencers of politics and the state by (((merchants))).
So how can I get the attention and some respectability among people?
I tie my religiosity to science (TM) and logic (TM) and reasonable (TM).
I’m sure I will find some boomers and left behind gen-x who can still be impressed with my appeals to science and stuff (TM).
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Don't think so. Atheists have a higher IQ on average. But there will be more intelligent religious people, as there are more religious people overall, which is probably what made you draw the conclusion that they are more intelligent.

To be fair, it is possible that even though atheists have a higher IQ on average, that theists are more represented in the extreme high end of the bell curve (even accounting for their numerical superiority), but usually that's not how these things work.

I see... I often get lost in the high extensive vocabulary and theory used by many high IQ monists such as Eric Orwoll and this Jay Dyer, that i don't know what they are saying on the basic fundamental level. Part of me thinks its the limits of my intelligence, and part of me feels its just bullshit.

Perhaps "Atheists" have higher iqs but perhaps i don't sense it as much due to the fact that their brainpower is often focused on deconstruction, which i don't respect as much as those focused on construction.

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Skepticism is a sign of intelligence.

Wouldn't it be more accurate to say, its a sign of intelligence and courage? Atheist/Agnostic "skepticism" of theism is hardly skeptical in modern times when its taken as self evident in today's universities. Most don't even escape Abrahamic morality, which still effectively makes them positive nihilists.

Not even JF and Ryan Faulk can really be called "negative nihilists" as they wish to preserve something about themselves in the world.
The only negative nihilists i know are anti-natalists like Immendham.
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PostSubject: Re: Christianity Christianity - Page 5 EmptyMon Mar 26, 2018 5:36 am

Impulso Oscuro wrote:

Wouldn't it be more accurate to say, its a sign of intelligence and courage?
It takes a sophisticated mind to construct irrational, self-referential, methods of coping with the world, as  
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That's why you never see Jewish architects, or athletes, or engineers, where spatial intelligence is necessary.
I'm using Jews as an example because they are, in the west, the source of positive Nihilism...from Judaism, Jesus to through Freud Marx, all the way to the current post-modernism, neo-Marxism.....it's the parasite infecting Europeans for the past 2000 years.

Like a mental Gordian Knot, the self-referential nonsense can also be motivated by a desire to fool weaker minds, trap them in linguistic conundrums, makes them less able to hurt.
Alexander the Great, when given the Gordian Knot and after trying to unravel it, took out his sword, according to myth, and sliced it stating the infamous:
"What cannot be untraveled, can be cut."....something insightful about linguistic knots.
How would one slice through a self-referential, linguistic conundrum....like the one the cAnus enjoys being tied up in?
You attach one end to the world, and the other to your mind.
The world is what slices through linguistic paradoxes....the act, severs the word.

Positive Nihilists like to tie up themselves, and their inferiors, in verbal knots...creating a metaphorical nest, and esoteric womb, to lay their fragile mental eggs and gestate them without fearing an external intruder, because the outside is all in their heads and so it is not a threat, not uncertain and unpredictable.
They invert the esoteric to an noetic 'exoteric', and the exoteric, the outside, is made into an inside, a vile subconscious, where monsters live.
Inversion is at he base of the 'positive' nihilist's psychosis. The idea(l) becomes the real, and the real the idea(l).....the positive inside is projected as a positive outside, and the 'negative' outside, the world itself, in other words, becomes a hidden evil 'inside' that van be covered up, buried.
It's a form of trickery.

They can then tell you, without a hint of irony, that you are closed to the world, because they've inverted the meanings....now 'closed' means 'open', and 'open' means 'closed'. When they say you fear blacks, or homosexuals, when you speak the truth about world, they are doing the same thing....inversion.
'Fear' means 'courage' and 'courage' means' fear'. Their fear of world is now bravery, facing a world of thir own making....and your openess to the actual world is now fear of their world.
The same happens with other terms like 'reasonable' and 'unreasonable'...like the concept 'nihilism' itself.
Now it is nihilistic to think of world void on god, universal morality, universal meaning, void of absolutes.....and it is 'positivity' to project into world your own fabricated absolutes.
Word games.

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PostSubject: Re: Christianity Christianity - Page 5 EmptyMon Mar 26, 2018 9:21 am

The more absurd the lie the more absurdly difficult it becomes to hide it. Is there a difference between zionism and their religion?, not because their religion had a strategical and practical function tailored to their needs that have changed only a little in regard to modern situation.
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PostSubject: Re: Christianity Christianity - Page 5 EmptyThu Mar 29, 2018 10:00 pm

Christianity switched the measure of values from thriving to redemption. Values then become eroded when they could only result in thriving of one people and not the redemption of the other, which resent (not redeemed) the thriving of those not like them.
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One parasite competes with another over which one will feed on the entrails of same host.

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PostSubject: Re: Christianity Christianity - Page 5 EmptyMon Jun 18, 2018 3:25 am

“We set our hearts at rest in his presence whenever our hearts condemn us. For God is greater than our hearts” (1 John 3:19-20)
What conscience is there to bear, but to the God, if one is forgiven all sins then they are responsible to One. Just as a person who forgives themselves of wrongs can use it for cowardice, to never request any forgiveness; distinction would be spurious if not Christian.
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PostSubject: Re: Christianity Christianity - Page 5 EmptyWed Aug 08, 2018 6:57 am

Revelation 21:8 wrote:
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

To the Pagan, Christianity is controlled opposition/allegiance - though Christianity has more absolutism.
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Perhaps the story (to Abrahamists) behind the success of Rome, and the 'civility' (whatever there may be) of the times was attributed to God's grace for His coming son, and not something more advanced or emergent.
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A side-effect of Christianity is the belief that by speaking, one has subjected what was spoken to pre-determination. If it can be written, it is something static - commensurable. Hypermasculinity and bad actor straw-manning interpretations of probabilities into static absolutes with accusations of boasting - it creates its own sort of pathology, especially when that exaggeration offers comfort to many, that results in a 'circling of the wagons' of their delusion until they've died of exhaustion.

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"Grateful in all things." Pride. "All that isn't 'me'."

There is the 'god': all that isn't me. 'True' by default, being the least able to be directly influenced. Arbitrariness determines 'truth'; with the delusional or schzipheenic solipsist, only will/imagination.

God is a way of making what's not arbitrary, arbitrary - favor, God's will: change 'sin', yourself (to affect change through grace): treat your senses and their representations as arbitrary. All is changeable.
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PostSubject: Re: Christianity Christianity - Page 5 EmptyWed Apr 03, 2019 7:37 am

Satyr wrote:
One parasite competes with another over which one will feed on the entrails of same host.

One seeks to inherit the Earth, the other seeks to inherit its host's fate.
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PostSubject: Re: Christianity Christianity - Page 5 EmptyWed Apr 03, 2019 7:50 am

Yes...one is born of the host's vulnerability before cosmos, and the other because it seeks a proxy to hide within against a cosmos it cannot survive within, without a proxy.
The latter absorbs components from every host it has infested, and this explains its successful adaptations over the centuries.
Its parasitism slightly modifies it - cross-contamination, i.e. host affects the parasite as the parasite drains the host. What it absorbs it integrates into its parasitical heritage. This is how it evolves without coming in contact with nature - preferring urban cosmopolitan settling where vermin and parasites flourish on the excesses of others. They promote excess for this reason - excess in all areas, economics, sexuality, language, fArt.
They feed no excess so the host must be spurred towards imbalances.

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