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Psychologically, present-day cynics can be understood as borderline melancholies, who can keep their symptoms of depression under control and can remain more or less able to work. Indeed, this is the essential point in modern cynicism: the ability of its bearers to work—in spite of anything that might happen, and especially, after anything that might happen. The key social positions in boards, parliaments, commissions, executive councils, publishing companies, practices, faculties, and lawyers' and editors' offices have long since become a part of this diffuse cynicism. A certain chic bitterness provides an undertone to its activity. For cynics are not dumb, and every now and then they certainly see the nothingness to which everything leads. Their psychic (seelisch) apparatus has become elastic enough to incorporate as a survival factor a permanent doubt about their own activities. They know what they are doing, but they do it because, in the short run, the force of circumstances and the instinct for self-preservation are speaking the same language, and they are telling them that it has to be so. Others would do it anyway, perhaps worse. Thus, the new, integrated cynicism even has the understandable feeling about itself of being a victim and of making sacrifices. Behind the capable, collaborative, hard facade, it covers up a mass of offensive un-happiness and the need to cry. In this, there is something of the mourning for a "lost innocence," of the mourning for better knowledge, against which all action and labor are directed.
Thus, we come to our first definition: Cynicism is enlightened false consciousness. It is that modernized, unhappy consciousness, on which enlightenment has labored both successfully and in vain. It has learned its lessons in enlightenment, but it has not, and probably was not able to, put them into practice. Well-off and miserable at the same time, this consciousness no longer feels affected by any critique of ideology; its falseness is already reflexively buffered.
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Sloterdijk, Pete wrote:
Gottfried Benn, himself one of the prominent speakers on the structure of modern cynicism, has probably provided the formulation of the century for cynicism, lucid and unabashed: "To be dumb and have a job, that's happiness." But it is the converse of the sentence that really reveals its full content: "To be intelligent and still perform one's work, that is unhappy consciousness in its modernized form, afflicted with enlightenment. Such consciousness cannot become dumb and trust again; innocence cannot be regained. It persists in its belief in the gravitational pull of the relations to which it is bound by its instinct for self-preservation. In for a penny, in for a pound. At two thousand marks net a month, counter-enlightenment quietly begins; it banks on the fact that all those who have something to lose come to terms privately with their unhappy consciousness or cover it over with "engagements."
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Without a tangible fahter-figure a child grows up associating authority with absolute perfection, or an insurmontable, intangible force that can only be illusory.
Cynicism is sparked in the mind of those children to discover that their association of the authority has based on lies. the element of relatedness is missing, so authority for them is of something alien, intangible, entirely other than - anarchism taking root in their mind as it liberates itself from this association into the void it leaves.
Romantic idealism is also sparked in this void of experience with a tangible real representation - allowing the mind to adopt pop-cultual idols, or allow tis own fantasies to project an idealized version of themselves, in its absence.
For females such a void leaves them looking for a male that does not exist, because no real man can ever match their idealized fantasies of their absent father.
Cynicism starts as maturity leads to disappointments, deciding that no such authorities, father-figures can ever exist, mocking and laughing at all earthly representations attempting to play that role.

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Nietzsche's decisive self-characterization, often overlooked, is that of a ‘cynic’ (Cyniker); with this he became, next to Marx, the most momentous thinker of the century. Nietzsche's ‘cynicism’ (Cynismus) offers a modified approach to ‘saying the truth’: It is one of strategy and tactics, suspicion and disinhibition, pragmatics and instrumentalism—all this in the hands of a political ego that thinks first and foremost about itself, an ego that is inwardly adroit and outwardly armored.
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Driven by his own absence of a fahter-figure, he dedicated his life works to overcoming his father's Christian convictions - in lieu of the natural rites of ascent from adolescence to adulthood.
He became the idol many modern-postmodern men-children were inspired by - idealizing a dead man who could never disappoint - finding ni cynicism a method of converting tragedy into comedy and tears into laughter - a Gay Science.
His Will to Power promising an overcoming they could not experience by transcending their earthly father-figure, so as to return, in maturity, back to him with understanding.
Trapped in adolescence they could only fantasize what they had never experienced - hypermasculinity was the outcome.

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Peter Sloterdijk wrote:
Behind the capable, collaborative, hard facade, it covers up a mass of offensive un-happiness and the need to cry. In this, there is something of the mourning for a "lost innocence," of the mourning for better knowledge, against which all action and labor are directed

I ordered the book. Look forward to reading it.
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I think you can find it for free on-line...but if you wish to support the author, then buy it.

I am currently reading it.
Lucy exposed me to it years ago when she made the distinction between cynic and kynic....
Haven't had time to get to it until now.

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I prefer real books myself.

I'm familiar with Sloterdijk only from his analysis of Nietzsche; "Thinker on Stage" which i enjoyed.

His Critique of Cynical Reason and Rage and Time i know are his most notable works that i haven't had a chance to read yet.
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God's Zeal - The Battle of the Three Monotheisms
Another of his books on my 'to read list'.

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Sloterdijk, Pete wrote:
To portray the opponent as an alert, reflecting deceiver, as an artful ‘politician,’ is both naive and cunning. In this way one gets at the construction of an artful consciousness by an even more artful consciousness. The enlightener outdoes the deceiver by rethinking and unmasking (entlarveri) the latter's maneuvers. If the deceiving priest or ruler has an artful mind, that is, if he is a modern ruler-cynic, then, in relation to him, the enlightener is a metacynic, an ironist, a satirist. The enlightener can masterfully reconstruct the machinations of the deception in the opponent's mind and explode them with laughter: ‘You don't want to take us for suckers, do you?’ This is scarcely possible unless there is a certain reflective tight spot in which the consciousnesses are a good match for each other. In this climate, enlightenment leads to a training in mistrust that strives to outdo deception through suspicion.
[Critique of Cynical Reason]

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The threefold polemic in a critique of power, in the struggle against tradition, and in a war against prejudices is part of the traditional image of enlightenment. All three imply a struggle with opponents disinclined to dialogue. Enlightenment wants to talk to them about things that hegemonic powers and traditions prefer to keep quiet about: reason, justice, equality, freedom, truth, research. Through silence, the status quo is more likely to remain secure. Through talk, one is pursuing an uncertain future. Enlightenment enters this dialogue virtually empty-handed; it has only the fragile offer of free consent to the better argument. If it could gain acceptance by force, it would be not enlightenment but a variation of a free consciousness. Thus, it is true: As a rule, people stick to their positions for anything but ‘rational’ reasons. What can be done?
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We have, in fact, plunged into a twilight of a peculiar existential disorientation. The feeling toward life in the present-day intelligentsia is that of people who cannot grasp the morality of immorality because then everything would be "far too simple." For that reason, too, deep down no one knows how things should go from here.

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Sloterdijk, Pete wrote:
Cynicism, says Bergler, is one of the forms in which people with extremely strong emotional ambivalences (hates-loves; respects-contempts, etc.) create a psychic possibility for discharge. Cynical ‘discharge’ accordingly stands on the same level as classic neurotic mechanisms such as the hysterical, melancholic, compulsive, paranoid, and criminal(!) defenses. In cynicism, the negative, aggressive side of the ambivalence can be expressed. However, this side alone does not characterize ‘cynical discharge.’ In addition, an extremely strong ‘unconscious need to be punished’ must be present—masochistic and exhibitionist tendencies (although male verbal cynics are often said to be strikingly prone to shame regarding their bodies). In cynical speech, a psychodynamic related to the compulsion to confess (Reik) is said to be at work-to know that one violates the commandments of the strict ‘super ego,’ but that one cannot refrain from the infringements, and so, to settle the inner conflict thus created, one resorts to truth that is now aggressively revealed. The cynic attacks the outer world in trying to overcome an ‘inner conflict.’ ‘He beats the others; he wants to beat his conscience’ (p. 36).
But through its aggressive, comical side cynicism is also a method of gaining pleasure, and this in a sevenfold way: (1) because cynics become temporarily free of guilt by means of an apposite remark; (2) because the rage of others amuses them (this thesis is reflected in the blurb from J. Drews [ed.], Zynisches Worter-buch [Zurich, 1978]); (3) because they can enjoy their own exhibitionistic tendencies; (4) because cynicism is a method of distancing; (5) because narcissistic pleasure can occur insofar as clever statements are admired; (6) because jokes are simply funny; (7) last of all, because thereby cynics can live out their infantile tendencies —by which are meant early infantile fantasies of grandeur, ‘anal’ tendencies, and early sexual-cynical rage against the whore in the mother, said more generally, the scars of old Oedipus conflicts.
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It cannot be better said: ‘One is thus not very far removed from reality ...’ but still pretty far away. Bergler understands that many forms of cynicism are efforts to strip off fetters—consequently, that cynicism belongs to the dynamic of cultural liberation struggles and the social dialectic of values and that it is one of the most important methods of working through ambivalences in a culture. The expression ‘compromise’ indeed hints in this direction. With something that stood ‘above’ me, no compromises could be concluded; then it would just be a matter of obeying.
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