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PostSubject: Re: A War Like No Other Mon Nov 04, 2013 3:52 pm

Sloterdijk Peter wrote:
As already stated, the specific nature of communism
can only be understood according to its effective design, more a banking
establishment than a military or bureaucratic entity. To dissolve this apparent
paradox one needs to dismiss the prejudice that banks exclusively deal
with monetary transactions.
In reality the function of a bank consists in
covering a much broader domain of phenomena. Analogous processes are
present wherever cultural and psychopolitical entities such as scientific
theories, acts of faith, works of art, political acts of protest, and so on are
accumulated. Once a certain degree of accumulation has been reached, they
are transformed from mere treasure to capital. If one concedes the existence
of a nonmonetary system of banking, it becomes understandable that
banks of a different kind, as collection points of affect, can operate with
the rage of others just as well as monetary banks operate with the money
of their customers. By doing just this, they relieve their clients of the difficulty
of having to take their own initiative, while nevertheless promising
gains. What in the one case are monetary capital gains are in the other case
thymotic premiums.
Such banks generally present themselves as political parties or movements,
in particular parties on the left of the political spectrum. The transformation
from raging impulses into "constructive politics" can rightly be
seen in each camp as the magnum opus of psychopolitics. (Additionally,
it could be argued that Niklas Luhmann's theory of social systems and in
particular its emphasis on the differentiation of subsystems, such as law,
science, art, economy, the health system, religion, pedagogy, and so on,
suggest a specific form of regional capitalization as well as a specific corresponding
bank formation.)
Economics defines a bank as a collection point for capital {Kapitalsammelstelle).
Its main task consists in administering the balances of its clients
for the sake of the preservation and increase of value. Practically speaking,
this means that the deposits of customers, which are fruitless monetary
treasures when deposited, are transformed immediately into capital. Consequently,
they are invested in profit-oriented forms of business. One of
the most important functions of a bank consists in providing a risk buffer,
which allows clients to partake in successful investments while protecting
them whenever possible against disappointments. This arrangement is controlled
by the interest rate, which naturally decreases proportionately to the
level of risk control.
The conversion of energies (effort over time) is made possible by encoding energy into a symbol, a number.
Then Banks take over as repositories.

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PostSubject: Re: A War Like No Other Mon Nov 04, 2013 6:24 pm

The average modern, nihilist, totally contained and detaching from reality, becoming increasingly self-referential - where self is redefined as a community - suffers from the same errors.

Because he worships change, though it is inevitable, immanent, hoping that detaching from the past (cleaning it away) will lead to a "better" future, and because the present is so dissatisfying for him, placing his hopes on some coming future, where the world is changed to accommodate him, he assumes that this is a common trait.
Majority for him is totality.
No differentiations, no allowance for the different.

He places himself in the other's positions and imagines how he would feel if he thought the things the other thinks. The bitterness, hatred, sadness, resentment, misery wells up in him explaining why he needs these lies to keep afloat.

He cannot believe in anything without it benefiting him directly.
His beliefs, his opinions, his positions, cannot be challenging, with no certain positive outcome, but they must be certain, easy, and ambiguous enough to be flexible.

He, therefore, assumes that all hold positions in a similar manner.
Because he places his hope on changing the world to accommodate him, he assumes that all do the exact same thing.

The idea that someone may consider change not to be worshiped but to be prepared for, to be endured, because it is naive to think that it will be beneficial or positive, does not compute.
The idea that one must change one's self, in relation to a world that cannot be anything but change, eludes him.
The idea that one must prepare self, adapt self, learn techniques and train the will to endure this inevitable change, which is called strength, eludes him.
The idea that one would embrace the inevitable without necessarily enjoying it or liking it, eludes him.
The idea that the past is an anchor bracing the individual as a boat is anchored to a more stable ocean floor making it more resistant to the tides and to the winds, eludes him.
The idea that one would not wish to change a thing, because change is the only certainty, and that when one analyzes he does so in preparation, in an attempt to withstand and to understand, eludes him.

For the nihilist all exploration is about escape, about altering the world to suit him ...it is an expression of rejection.

Does a man who study waves and the principles governing liquids, and how tides work and how wings interact with liquid surfaces, do so to change what he is studying or does he do so to better ride the waves?
Does a man who studies animal behavior do so to change the animal behavior or does he do so to exploit it?
Does a man who studies tigers do so to exterminate them, or does he do so to be amongst them without facing their teeth and nails?

Ride the Tiger

The nihilist, the coward, cannot comprehend how someone can be so critical, so brutally honest and still accept it all.
The nihilist, the retarded mind, cannot understand how someone can feel no animosity towards a virus that ails him, but feel gratitude for it, because it keeps hims strong and it defines him as what is not a virus.  

For the effete mind, all must be emotionally categorized.
When one sees and dares to speak on it, he must do so within the love/hate dualism of his simplicity.

If one loves someone he must be blind to all negative aspects in the other or, he must remain silent on them, pretending they are not there.
If one hates someone then he must be blind to all positive aspects in him, or pretend they are not there, so as to feel the rage deeper.  

But what is someone neither hates nor loves so easily and so freely and with such shallow abandonment?
What if he speaks of the negative because it has been too often ignored, creating a mythology?

What if things were not so easy?
What if?

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PostSubject: Re: A War Like No Other Mon Nov 04, 2013 6:52 pm

A nihilist brought up in this modern world, will be intellectually stunted, and, because he is understandingly alive, he will be naturally exaggerated in his actions - thinking being an activity.

There's no way to correct this.
One must either avoid him - exceedingly difficult in a world populated by increasing numbers of this type - or one must feed into its psychology.
Just like you cannot hope to convince a christian, using reason, because his beliefs are entirely emotionally based and he depends on them to remain sane, so too you cannot convince a nihilist of his error.

A hypnotist takes advantage of the other's self-hypnosis.
He sets up the situation and then goes along with the hypnotized one, taking credit for the act.

This is how one can feed into weakness and allow it to believe anything it wishes, nudging ti along to gain whatever this deluded one wishes to offer.

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PostSubject: Re: A War Like No Other Mon Nov 04, 2013 6:59 pm

This confrontation, this infection, is the result of containment.
No frontiers, no windows, no uncharted, uncontrolled, unsupervised, territories results in the continuous breathing-in of the same stale air.
This is how viruses spread.

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My interest and my tactics have changed over the years.
I've tried to adapt.

I no longer engage the multitudes of imbeciles, out there, who try to assault me with empty words and declarations.
I can no longer squander my time like that.
If I were to respond to every imbecile with an ax to grind and nothing more than insinuations or Don Quixotic hyperbole, then I would have to spend all my time before the computer.
When I began it wasn't so bad, but these days the numbers have swelled and I'm older and I have a son to occupy my time with.
I no longer have the energy nor the desire to deal with every retard that comes along seeking vengeance because I'm reporting on a reality he cannot tolerate.

Now I respond only to those who actually understand my positions and have a legitimate counter-argument.

With the rest I do the next best thing:
I allow those who are influenced by my views to do the dirty work for me.

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PostSubject: Re: A War Like No Other Mon Nov 04, 2013 8:21 pm

The tactics of nihilism, as it has manifested in the west for 2,000 years now, is via a reversal tactic.

War, is Peace.
Inferior, is Superior.
Weakness, is Strength.
Annulling the world, is Positive.


With Christianity the most arrogant proposition that a human deserves eternal life is masked with a pretentious humility.
This is typical with the nihilist mindset.

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The system as we know it creates Schizophrenia, as part of its paradoxical premises where it proposes what contradicts nature, creating a conflict between genetic and memetic codes.
It also crates an exaggerated counter-action where narcissism mask a deep seated inferiority complex.

The idea that the world should, or could be changed to accommodate those who would not survive without this intervention, is the height of arrogance, masked, like with the Christians, with a pretentious humility.

The very idea of the natural desire to excel, is frowned down upon by those who seek empowerment via inclusion or within a greater, uniforming super-organsim.
Everything must go through the appropriate inter-mediating methods, where the sufficient degree of fake humility is consider proper form.

They speak of honesty as if they believed it to be a virtue and then expect lies and hypocrisy, because the only honest accepted is one which feeds into the collective narcissism and schizophrenia.

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PostSubject: Re: A War Like No Other Mon Nov 04, 2013 8:34 pm

The modern nihilist is so caught up in materialism and hedonism that though he pretends to be neither a materialist or a hedonist - some of the time - they still evaluate an opinion using the success models of their market economy, and by how pleasing the outcome promises to be.

For him an opinion must have an immediately gratifying and easy application. To know simply to know, is not enough, because for him the need to satisfy his dissatisfaction surpasses any other consideration and any other motive.

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PostSubject: Re: A War Like No Other Mon Nov 04, 2013 8:54 pm

The modern nihilist will frequently indulge in mock respect for opinions he despises and considers base and stupid. If they do not threaten him, or if the one expressing them is willing to reciprocate by showing the same respect and repressed disdain, he is willing to go through the formalities of what he considered civil discourse.
He remains true to his own ideals by never exposing his true feeling and judgments, just as any Judeo-Christian is expected to do.

For him the greatest anathema is honesty if it is not coupled with flattery, or softened by humor.
Respect, for him means not being exposed to the stupidity of your own views.
Everyone has a “right” to his own views, and everyone else should mind their own business. That would be great if only this mock respect did not eventually build to a false sense of indestructibility.
Having never faced the corrective methods of cruel natural selection, in the arena of debate, he enjoys the delusion of intellectual indestructibility, and if anyone comes close to shattering this delusion, he is quick to accuse them of brutality, using all sorts of dismissive epithets which comment on the hypothetical motives and qualities of the opponent but casually avoid the ideas themselves.
He would rather be bored and feel an inner sense of joy before a mind inferior to him, than risk being exposed as being a dullard himself.

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PostSubject: Re: A War Like No Other Tue Nov 05, 2013 8:18 am

Disarming Modern Nihilists

As it has been noted already nihilism is about reversals.
For him role-reversal, word-reversal, concept reversals are his bread and butter.
He must live in an inverted, conceptually, world because reality is too intolerable for him.
To reduce his ability to squirm through the conceptual cracks you must disarm him.
To disarm him you must connect words, his weapon of choice, to reality, from where he cannot easily detach them from without some help from some authority figure or from his fellow nihilists, rushing to his aid, with selfish motives.

Perspectivism is the favourite tool of the modern nihilist. With it nothing matters, and all is reduced to a word that can be applied to anything.
To reduce this practice’s effectiveness, define the concepts you use using the words he used to detach from reality. Return words to their rightful place, as tools referring to abstractions which, in turn, refer to sensual phenomena, or to reality – the world.
For instance by defining the words, the linguistic codes, of positive and negative, connecting them to reality, as that which requires or does not require effort to persist, you effectively disturb his practice of inversing symbols placing one where the other has been.
The practice is comforting for him because it implies that reality is malleable and he can escape its premises, its determining forces.
Now, subjectivity remains fixed as an individual degree of awareness, and is no longer a method of escape. The nihilist may, to prove his point, place the term 'positive' where the term'negative' was placed before, but the symbol will not alter the concept you’ve already defined, but it only changes the symbol used to refer to it.
The Nihilist may call life death, and death life, if he so chooses, but this does not alter the concepts these terms originally referred to.

Feminine nihilists enjoy these word-games.
It provides the infantile impression that they are not bound by any real world, but are free to be and do as they please, with only social rules as their limit.

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Emotion is another weapon for the modern nihilist, the emasculated mind.
For him all must be reduced to an emotion, or a word implying an emotion. He can then display a passionless demeanor in regards to ideas he already feels a certain way about.
Anger, hate, love, lust, envy are all part of the nihilistic panoply of feminine conflict tactics.  
The Nihilist must reduce all concepts to the primal dualisms of emotion – that nexus between his mind and body.
For him all opinions can only be understood within this paradigm of emotionalism.

Emotion is for the nihilist another word.
He uses the terms associated with emotions casually and often.
For him the term “love” has lost all substance as it, too, has been detached from reality. It has been sanctified or purified, whereas other words may be demonized.

He may feel no real love, in the real sense, towards the other, but he will profess it, exchanging platitudes which reinforce the mutual understanding that there is a shared emotional disconnection from the world which must be compensated for with an emotional connection to others in their shared state of mind: attachment to a world of man, replacing the world at large.  
From here on, the term world, also a word, will mostly refer to manmade constructs, artifices, and less so to anything outside these shared premises.

To speak of the world is to speak of mankind.
To love life is to love mankind.
To endure existence is to endure mankind.
 
The term “love” becomes code for shared meme.  

In the case of the Nihilistic viral meme, this shared love is also a shared hatred, fear of the world beyond its human boundaries.
The word and its repetition is a kind of grooming, comforting, reparation of the artifices which bind them within a sheltered reality.  

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Emotion is how the nihilist divides his reality.
Once completed, or accepted as part of a shared cultural reality, the world-view can be detached from, and only engaged with passionless abandon.
He has removed himself from his own projections. He is free, as he is free of the past.
His passion, has already been expunged in the emotional projections, where anything that confronts him is ascribed a negative, thymotic, emotion and everything that comforts him is ascribed a positive, erotic, emotion.  
The emotion has been externalized, leaving behind an empty, husk, void of most passions: dull.
To deal with such a cripple, a zombie, you must become passionate, in the libidinal sense, yet emotionless.

To use Peter Sloterdijk’s metaphors, a nihilist banks his rage, expecting erotic dividends. He invests in rage, converting it to an abstraction, and then hopes to enjoy the emotional wealth of eroticism.
The nihilist is detached from the world, because that’s what he wishes: to tear himself away from what dissatisfies him, to invert reality so as to escape.
His emotions have been externalized as aspect of reality, not of himself in relation to it. His love is void of any personal content, it is a word he uses to achieve a goal; a word outside his mind, like consciousness.

He defines the world emotionally and then detaches from it.
His usage of the term refers to something outside himself. He has depersonalized his own emotions.
They become something mystical or mere words used for practical purposes.
Once they have been removed from himself, distanced, they can become anything. They are now codified: mere symbols referring to abstractions.        

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Hyperbole is how a nihilist compensates for his emptiness, the one he has surrendered to and prefers.
The alternative would be unbearable.
He wipes the slate clean, and then claims this to be the “natural state.”
He reduces an emotion to a word, a transcendental concept, detached from him – turning the emotion into the world – and then he wallows in the emptiness he has created.
He strips himself bare and then finds the new fashions insufficient – they cannot change what he is but only hide it.  
He flips the world, making what is manmade real and what is real manmade, and then he finds the outcome dull.
He reduces concepts to mere words with no substance – to be used subjectively – and then complains about how void of value philosophy is.
He levels man down, wanting his own weakness to disappear, and then finds himself looking for more in abstracted identities.
He detaches from the past, denies nature relevance, disconnects from what preceded, engaging in it selectively and with a faked indifference, and then finds his life to be meaningless and boring.
He then seeks fulfillment in the immediate: immediate gratification, most current ideas, and most popular fashions.

To deal with this numbed state the nihilist chooses as his preferred reality, he must notch it all up, hoping to feel something, hoping to experience existence, when he has made need/suffering something to clean away from existence.

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PostSubject: Re: A War Like No Other Tue Nov 05, 2013 3:58 pm

For the modern nihilist any hint at increased freedom is perceived with horror.
In his either/or mentality a decrease in social network is a complete rejection of social (inter)action. In his herd psychology it is either all are one and the same, part of a unity, or none are anything alike and part of a lonely existence.

Like with herd organisms a reduction in the social framework is accompanied with an exposure to the elements, to nature, to the unknown.
He must be part of a large majority within which he feels safe to remain as infantile as he is.
Any approach towards the periphery of the group, where the world begins to come closer, is a terrifying experience.

For the modern nihilist the only way he can be liberated from reality is if he is included within a group where he can disappear and pretend to be anything.
He wrongly assumes that self-reliance, independence, is complete isolation and must justify his compliance to large groups by equating them to smaller ones.

The idea that an opposite viewpoint would lead to a degree of liberty cannot be accepted unless it promises to be absolute freedom – the God-like state.
For him nature, the past, is a hindrance to his freedom to reinvent himself within the group; naturally produced hierarchies are an unwelcome reminder of this past.        

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Feminization is but the tip of this memetic iceberg.
Sex is a central part of human psychology, particularly in an age dominated by the feminine, the erotic but it is still only a part - albeit a big one.
What floats beneath the surface is this War like no Other, this fight over human destiny over threats and minds - this memetic war.
It is a war of extinction, a war with no prisoners, and no mercy.
Maybe not always a bloody war, not openly so, but always a war with casualties, because what is a zombie but a dead man who does not know it yet?  

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Philosophy is the systematization of perspective.
Everyone has a philosophy, whether he knows it or not and whether it is of his own doing or adopted from another: perspective through a proxy.
Love of wisdom is an erotic attraction to what promises.
Some moderns consider wisdom the art of excuses, or of duplicity, or of overturning the world or of seeing your loved one only under a kind, forgiving, light.
Their love of wisdom is really a love, a lust, for pleasure: to be comfortable, comforted, taken care of.
This is a world-view, a perspective, an attitude towards the real.
Ergo nihilism is a philosophical stance.

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PostSubject: Re: A War Like No Other Sun Nov 10, 2013 9:03 am

Nihilism's Core Tenets


1a
The modern nihilist's position: The world/reality, lacks what is manmade - morality, teleos (beginning/end, perfection), purpose, meaning.
The Nihilist must turn these manmade concepts into something universal, transcendental, mysteriously Divine.
Their presumed incomprehensibility makes them all the more potent. To reduce them to the human, in the natural sense, is to strip them of their magic.  
The world is void of what man desperately needs; it is indifferent to human needs.
Ergo, reality/world, is the nil, it is the negative, to which these human constructs - projection of human needs - are the positive, the more real reality.
Sex becomes a mystical experience; social behaviour and cooperation must have a transcendental, ego-less, source.
Nothing pragmatic, survivor-based, real, natural can be tolerated. It must be washed, baptized, into something sacred, holy, divine.  
For a nihilist to admit that all that he needs, on a psychological and conceptual level, he must create, on his own, or to inherit it from another earthly artist/creator, is to demystify it.
The divine must be preserved for him to find it valuable.
Everything associated with the real, the world, nature, is base, primitive, dirty.
He wishes to cleanse it of all earthly connections and imagine it as transcendental, universal, ethereal, unspeakable, complex, mystifying, force.
Therefore, he cannot accept the selfish/utilitarian nature of his selfless ethical codes.
This would bring them down to earth, to the place he despises.
To the place he exists.   

1b
For a nihilist the world as it is, as it appears, is insufferable - the negative.
He cannot do anything more than offer verbal corrections to it.
Logos is his solution to the (inter)active - words to cover over a world that does not speak outside of actions.
Rather than trying to adapt to it himself, he dreams of replacing it by another, better, reality.
Then, he may dismiss value-judgments as bigoted.
Change of perspective is for him a change of the term he uses to describe the world.
Words evoking positive emotions, are preferable, and constitute a change in the world.
The more fantastic, other-worldly, mysterious, supernatural, the alternative reality constructed, the better.       

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2a
Words are a Nihilist's weapon, his starting position:
First there was the word.
The alpha and the omega, is the static  code of his memetic negation of the active, the real.
The letter is his preferred chromosome, the one that buries the natural one with words, corrects it with numbers, and then forgets it exists.
An alternate reality constructed upon words, the text, the code, the scripture ...the proper Book.
The (inter)active, the phenomenon, the apparent, is of secondary importance and only relevant if it agrees with the word already taken for granted.
They are 'children of the book' in that they cannot think outside of what others have written for them.
Thinking, for a nihilist, is referring, referencing, regurgitating, deferring - it is an act of faith.
Here we see the reversal of nihilism: whereas normally a word is meant to symbolize the perceived, the apparent, in their case the word precedes the perceived and must be adapted to harmonize with the symbol.
He who controls words can now control minds dependent upon them. This is how the meme overpowers the gene and begins to construct artificial realities on top of the buried real, natural, world which is independent and indifferent to human words and what these words, codes, can manufacture.  

2b
Words, for the nihilist must be detached from the real,
The worse thing you can do, to him, is define words, by connecting them to real phenomena, to the perceived.
For a nihilist words must be interchangeable, as ambiguous as possible, lending themselves to reversals, and to perspective, or the subjectivity he desires to make of his world-hatred into a positive force of change.  
Perspectivism and the subjectivity it implies, is only possible when words are not connected to reality.
For example, defining what artificial is, in relation to natural, or what positive is in regards to negative, or what order is, in regards to chaos, is a sure way to shut a nihilist up.
All you've left him with is to deny your definition, without offering a counter-argument, or to offer his own definitions which will expose the depth of his self-hatred, and world-hatred, further.
To define a word is to refer it, to attach it, to a phenomenon, the apparent.
A nihilist does the opposite: he detaches the word from the phenomenon, the perceived, the apparent.
He must place it in a beyond, an above, an outside. He feels this a liberating, soothing.  

2c
Words are so detached from the real, from actions, for the nihilist that he uses them casually and carelessly.
Terms like 'love', 'hate', 'humanity', 'one', 'freedom', 'equality' are like putty in a child's hands.
Easy to manipulate but, in the end, they can only led to fantastic, fragile, constructs.
Words are, for the modern nihilist, the infantile retarded psychology, a toy.
It has no risk, no cost, it is part of the game, and the game involves escaping the real.
This is why words come easy to him; he flings them about in declarative statements, in childish denouncements or pronouncements of victory and love and compassion.
He is not driven to attach them to reality, as descriptions, but to detach them, as fantasies, the ideal, the imagined.  

2d
   
Freedom, for a modern nihilist, is another way of describing his need to detach from reality.
Because nature(past), the world(totality of phenomena), reality(Interactivity), is so indifferent to his needs and unyielding to his hopes and preferences, his emotional investments, he wishes to liberate himself from it; he wishes to discredit, slander and annul it.
This is what he calls independence: no longer to be determined by the past, no longer to be contingent, no longer to have to deal with what cannot be altered.
To be free, for the nihilist, is to no longer be burdened by the past: sex, race, a duty towards your ancestry.
He is willing to enslave himself to the immediate, the current, the popular, the modern, if it means liberty from that unalterable past, that inescapable natural.  

2c
A nihilist is all about liberty, or salvation, as it is called amongst the religious variant.
he wishes to free himself form this, for him, decrepit world of need/suffering, and of unalterable potentials/probabilities. He wishes to exist where constricting probabilities turn to infinite possibilities = CHAOS.
He wishes to be free to escape into whatever his mind can imagine, fantasize: realities founded on code, words, a matrix of pretenses...a man-made reality.
The social rule is to preserve the lies, not to expose the pretenses, to play along, so as to have the other reciprocate, in a game of "civility."
 
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3a
For a nihilist, particularly the modern variant, to speak negatively about something is to complain about it.
Nothing honest can be uttered about anything, particularly what is closest to his essence (humanity), if it does not allow the possibility for correction.
The nihilist is always pro anything which offers such a possible correction to natural determinations: education, liberalism, spirituality that negates ego(self), proper upbringing(preferable institutionalized, regimented, and controlled by the state), altruism, indiscriminate empathy, social eugenics (eradicating all naturally based identifications), nurturing which contradicts nature(sum of all past nurturing), "proper" historical narratives, feminine sexual practices psychological dispositions, the modern(current, immediate, overshadowing all that precedes it) etc.  
There are only two forms of critique a nihilist will accept as positive:
Any critique which flatters, or any critique which is based on the possibility of immediate correction.
Because for him existence is intolerable and must be correctable to become more tolerable, he cannot accept any context which offers a perception where correction/healing/nurturing is improbable. This is why the past, nature, is a deplorable aspect of existence, for him.
It is immutable, determining, and, for him, insufferable.
Because for him all honest criticism must offer an avenue of escape, a hope, and because for him the only reason to criticize or to perceive the negative is in order to correct it, he cannot help himself, he must associate perception with complaining.
To describe the world honestly, is to be offering a complaint.
It is bitching.
What is not correctable must be ignored, passed over, erased from consciousness.
this is what he calls "positive attitude."  

3b
All descriptions of reality must offer that corrective potential, otherwise they are called evil, authoritarian, totalitarian...a Deity with no benevolence.  
For them nature is not a foundation to build upon, but one to eradicate, forget, dismiss, totally destroy, and sweep away so as to begin building the "better."

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4a
Emotions are a the most important part of a nihilist's new world view.
Having denounced sensations, sensuality, he replaces it with emotions.
Emotions, and their automatism, can be connected to imagery, memories, sensations, in any way necessary.
They are a way of manipulating a mind, through training, education, nurturing.
Once feelings have replaces sensing as the standard, the world becomes an emotionally based construct where judgments are founded on what emotions have been attached to particular words - how particular words make us feel.
The word no longer refers to a phenomenon, a sensually perceived activity, but it can be connected back to an emotion.
By connecting words to emotions, concepts can become solipsistic, in that they no longer have a rational, sensual, basis, but are primarily an emotional experience.
In modern times the usage of words, in such a way, is common.
Simply saying certain words suffices to produce the required emotional reaction in the brains of those already indoctrinated into the nihilistic system, the particular meme's world-view.

4b
Fear is the underlying emotion, and how we deal with it determines our character.
The nihilist chooses to use it as an accusation so as to hide his own inability to deal with it directly.
It is easier to deny than to face one's fears.
For a modern nihilist, so sheltered from reality that he's lost all tolerance for anything above the infantile level of perception, the usage of fear, and its antidotes of hope/love, and so on, are a perfect way to manipulate him and to prevent him from thinking beyond a certain acceptable point.
We can notice this when discussing anything with moderns on an honest basis, dealing with the human condition: sex, race etc.  
Declarative statements using emotionally laden words are all he has. He can only dismiss, minus the argument, and claim without a reason.
He knows that the majority are like him, so all he needs to do to remain within his comfort zone is adhere to the shared delusion, by chanting the words which will bubble up the emotions years of social engineered nurturing have attached to them.

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5a
A nihilist, though crying against authoritarians and gurus, seeks just that, exposing the height of his personal decay and delusion.
He wants to be given a solution, to a problem which is only in existence in his tiny, needy, brain.
To describe the world, for him, must be accompanied by a solution to it; as if the description is not enough.
This is why for him all descriptions, all opinions, on the world, are cries of help.
When he thinks he must solve, or correct, and if he cannot then he does not think it worth thinking about.
The world if described negatively must come with an immediate and easy solution, otherwise stating it is impolite.

5b
The nihilist being a hypocrite, pretends to be independent, when dependence is his very essence.
Like a female, he tests all potential mentors by attacking their quality, trying to determine if he is worth giving themselves to.
Like all feminine minds it wants protection, a care-taker, a teacher, a guide.
The teacher must not only describe, he must also solve. When he does not, the female mind comforts herself, by believing that nothing can be done, and that nothing is being done.
She does not consider the description a challenge for her to deal with, in her own way, so as to grow into a man, but wants to be taken by the hand, told what she should do when this or that happens.
She can never be part of a camaraderie of males, because she is forever feminine in her needs.  
a father may take his young son out into the forest and give him advice on how to hunt, how to shoot, track, and kill...but in time he can only describe the forest and let the young man figure it out on his own, using the advice he was given.
If not the young man never grows up, but remains forever the student.

5c
The same delusions underlie the common nihilist in all areas of his judging.
He wrongly assumes that he deserves to be included, into a circle of friends, simply because he was born.
Then he wrongly assumes he deserves the help of others who seem to be like him, simply because he calls himself human.

We also wrongly assumes that the world, as it is, requires changing, when change is what it is.
Why change what will inevitably change on its own?
For the nihilist, taking himself as an example, reality must be altered, not he must adapt to it, so as to preserve what he holds near and dear, therefore he assumes that to describe a situation which he finds problematic, is to also offer a solution to it, when the solution is a personal affair.
He seeks leaders, and then accuses all who try to lead, as being vain.
He seeks a father, and then accuses all who offer fatherly advice (the cruel kind) of being authoritarians.

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PostSubject: Re: A War Like No Other Wed Nov 13, 2013 1:23 pm

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Feminization is but the tip of this memetic iceberg.
Sex is a central part of human psychology, particularly in an age dominated by the feminine, the erotic but it is still only a part - albeit a big one.
What floats beneath the surface is this War like no Other, this fight over human destiny over threats and minds - this memetic war.
It is a war of extinction, a war with no prisoners, and no mercy.
Maybe not always a bloody war, not openly so, but always a war with casualties, because what is a zombie but a dead man who does not know it yet?  

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Philosophy is the systematization of perspective.
Everyone has a philosophy, whether he knows it or not and whether it is of his own doing or adopted from another: perspective through a proxy.
Love of wisdom is an erotic attraction to what promises.
Some moderns consider wisdom the art of excuses, or of duplicity, or of overturning the world or of seeing your loved one only under a kind, forgiving, light.
Their love of wisdom is really a love, a lust, for pleasure: to be comfortable, comforted, taken care of.
This is a world-view, a perspective, an attitude towards the real.
Ergo nihilism is a philosophical stance.    
What is Memetic-fitness, if we can speak of such, in the context of

1. Wisdom.

2. A war-like-no-other.

A successful meme is one that creates enduring genetic lines.
- But this would be enough to define the jews.
Here is a meme creating genes just to propound 'death is good'... the horrible irony of such a life.
Nihilism is this irony.

How can we qualify that definition then to distinguish ourselves from the jews?

There has to be a separation here.
Not just enduring genetic lines, but to us a successful meme must also proscribe how much, to what extent, intensity and duration it can make obsolete memes function in a given time/space...
Our idea of Memetic-fitness should incorporate our capacity for Creativity... this is what defines us, to me.
Not life, but the creative life.

When does life become rich - for us?

When we can still create a space, open a terrain to introduce some old obsolete dead end idea, even an infection, a parasite to an ennobling use...

Memetic-fitness becomes such a Dionysian barometer.

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PostSubject: Re: A War Like No Other Wed Nov 13, 2013 1:40 pm

Satyr wrote:

Love of wisdom is an erotic attraction to what promises.
To some Dionysian constitutions, Love of wisdom is an erotic attraction to what challenges, terrifies... silenus was the first victim to such a love. this vertigo...


"The attraction of everything is problematic, the delight in an X, however, is so great in such more spiritual, more spiritualized men that this delight flares up again and again like a bright blaze over all the distress of what is problematic, over all the danger of uncertainty, and even over the jealousy of the lover. We know a new happiness." [N., Joyful Wisdom]

"The most spiritual men, as the strongest, find their happiness where others would find their destruction: in the labyrinth, in hardness against themselves and others, in experiments. Their joy is self-conquest: asceticism becomes in them nature, need, and instinct. Difficult tasks are a privilege to them; to play with burdens that crush others, a recreation. Knowledge-a form of asceticism. They are the most venerable kind of man: that does not preclude their being the most cheerful and the kindliest." [N., Antichrist]

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PostSubject: Re: A War Like No Other Wed Nov 13, 2013 1:43 pm

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The modern nihilist will frequently indulge in mock respect for opinions he despises and considers base and stupid. If they do not threaten him, or if the one expressing them is willing to reciprocate by showing the same respect and repressed disdain, he is willing to go through the formalities of what he considered civil discourse.
He remains true to his own ideals by never exposing his true feeling and judgments, just as any Judeo-Christian is expected to do.

For him the greatest anathema is honesty if it is not coupled with flattery, or softened by humor.
Respect, for him means not being exposed to the stupidity of your own views.
Everyone has a “right” to his own views, and everyone else should mind their own business. That would be great if only this mock respect did not eventually build to a false sense of indestructibility.
Having never faced the corrective methods of cruel natural selection, in the arena of debate, he enjoys the delusion of intellectual indestructibility, and if anyone comes close to shattering this delusion, he is quick to accuse them of brutality, using all sorts of dismissive epithets which comment on the hypothetical motives and qualities of the opponent but casually avoid the ideas themselves.  
He would rather be bored and feel an inner sense of joy before a mind inferior to him, than risk being exposed as being a dullard himself.  

"One must not let oneself be misled: they say 'Judge not!' but they send to Hell everything that stands in their way." [N., Antichrist]

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PostSubject: Re: A War Like No Other Wed Nov 13, 2013 1:44 pm

Consider another possibility.
The Jews sell what they do not, themselves, buy.
Their humility and nihilism is a ruse to decrees the resistance of the competitors.  

Some have called this the "Jew Paradox".
I compare it to the Cosa Nostra trying to become legitimate, by washing their illegal assets, and hiding behind corporate names.
With the Jews, the western's starting nihilistic Meme, it takes the form of Zionism.

Strauss himself divides the Zionist method into 3 categories:

1- Orthodox, Spiritual, Zionism
Here the Jews remain true to their nihilism and prepare for the coming messiah, knowing that they will be the benefactors. They oppose the other two forms because those set roadblocks to the process of Armageddon.
Essentially they remain loyal to the victim persona.  

2- Cultural Zionism
This brand of Zionism proposes nationalism, or isolation form the rest of mankind, preserving the victim chosen people identity but refusing the religious end. .

3- Political Zionism
This is also in line with Liberal Democracy.
Here the political branch wishes to culturally eliminate all identification rooted in any meme other than a collective, worldwide one.
In this case the Jew disappears in the mix.

Here is where some conspiratorial possibilities arise.
Is it honest or is it another method of reducing the competition's power?
Whatever it is, it relies on conviction, because the best lie is the one believed in.
Some think it preaches what it most benefits from, because the Wizard of Oz is already behind the curtain.

This is the most popular, and the one which is taking hold.
Christianity and Islam, being offshoots of it are still a detriment to its cause, because they preach a discriminating attitude which preserves fragmentation.
This is why this brand of Zionism attracts the cosmopolitan, atheist, liberal Jew.

This elimination of all identifications besides the modern ones, this teaching of promiscuity, permissiveness, as a desirable liberation, is all part of destroying the meme that most threatens this nihilistic memetic virus.

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PostSubject: Re: A War Like No Other Wed Nov 13, 2013 1:54 pm

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Strauss himself divides the Zionist method into 3 categories:
And he himself called it an irresolvable irony... or as you say, a Paradox. tending towards Narc. and Schiz.

Narcissism is a continuous building up, and Schizophrenia, a continuous deterioration, splitting off, breaking down...


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PostSubject: Re: A War Like No Other Wed Nov 13, 2013 1:58 pm

Its because judaism cannot incorporate death, they reverse and invert it to something pleasant and then move towards it to accomodate it.

This is why I say, our memetic-fitness, the way we Must define it becomes a barometer of how much obsoleteness and death and dead-ends we can take up, and renew, restore life...

Death is affirmed as a life-affirmative stance; hence grand cycles in paganism.

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PostSubject: Re: A War Like No Other Sun Feb 23, 2014 9:36 am

We see the writing on the wall.

This is a war, but not simply a memetic one(cultural, idealistic, linguistic, moral), a feminizing one....it is more indirectly a war against Indo-European Paganism, and even more precisely a war against European (Caucasian) males.

What is above must be leveled down...what is below, must be raised, by any means.

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PostSubject: Re: A War Like No Other Mon Feb 24, 2014 10:46 am

This is part of it:

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Mass immigration was not a policy response to white fertility decline. Immigration throughout the West was imposed before white fertility dropped below replacement level. Replacement migration as an excuse for countering white population collapse surfaced only decades later.

At the middle of the twentieth century—when Europe and North America were still white—the average fertility level stood at 2.6 children per woman in Europe and 2.4 children for the countries of the European Union. For the countries in the UN study, the range was from 2.2 children per woman in Germany and the United Kingdom to 2.7 children in France. Fertility was markedly higher in the US at 3.4 children. By 1965-1970 (nations still white), fertility had increased a little on average for the countries of the European Union, to 2.5 children per woman, but fallen below replacement in Japan and the Russian Federation at 2.0 children. Fertility had decreased to 2.5 children in the United States (still above replacement). By 1995-2000, however, fertility was below replacement level in all countries and regions analyzed by the UN, ranging from a high of 2.0 children in the United States to 1.2 children in Italy. The average for Europe and the European Union was 1.4 children per woman. But by that time high fertility non-whites were a major factor, demonstrating how suddenly and precipitously white fertility, which is lower than the racially mixed averages, collapsed. (Data from UN, Replacement Migration, Chapter 4, “Results: Overview,” [19] p. 21)

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PostSubject: Re: A War Like No Other Mon Feb 24, 2014 10:56 am

And this relates to feminism, the liberation of European women, using an idealization of humanity, equality and so on, and the Jewish meme as the eternal sufferer, the forever outsider seeking a way in, the wanderer...and it also relates to dilution.
Dilute quality in quantity and you lose its nature, you return it to a previous less refined state.

Another way of saying dilution is uniformity.

Example:
How would I dilute a dog breed's qualities, losing them in the ensuing mixture, making them a chance occurrence?
How would I dilute a dog breed's nature as a hunting dog, or an intelligent herding breed?

I would breed it with an inferior breed in the quality I originally bred the dog to poses to a higher degree and at a higher rate of occurrence.
I would return it to a primal state, but this time I would enforce a strict code of conduct, allowing inferior dogs a chance to breed, when in natural environments they would never do so.
Then blind chance would be my only method of attaining the breed's qualities...the monkeys typing infinitely so that a Shakespearean novel might emerge.

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PostSubject: Re: A War Like No Other Fri Mar 07, 2014 11:28 am

Heidegger, Martin wrote:
Man acts as though he were the shaper and master of language, while in fact language remains the master of man.

Underlying the Nihilistic immersion in code is the very nature of language.

Modernity is, within a linguistic context, the replacement of perception, the phenomenon with the abstraction, represented by the symbol, (code, word, number), the noumenon.
Once this detachment of the noumenon from the phenomenon has attained a certain distance, the sense of disillusionment, of free-falling in the void, accompanies this liberating ecstasy of man feeling powerful, unhinged, self-determining.

The word detaches the thought from the empirical stimulation, making perspective a world amputated away from the reality.
Every word once associated with a perceived behavior, an action, is now surgically cut-away, from its reference points, allowing it to be defined as something sacred, ethereal, spiritual....purified thought.
Having no reference point the symbol turns inward, back upon its own source, the human brain, seeking a foundation.
There it finds emotion, sensation coming from within its own organizing, its own organic relationships.
 
Heidegger, Martin wrote:
The most thought-provoking thing in our thought-provoking time is that we are still not thinking.

The most life-affirming act still permitted to man is a linguistic revolution.
To reattach the words, the symbols, to the world experienced.
To return language to its original purpose: as a description, an artistic representation, of the world - a tool, method.
Not a description of his own emotions, feelings, preferences in relation to the world, but of the world itself.
A world indifferent to human emotion, desires, preferences, ideals. A world awaiting discovery, waiting to be uncovered, revealed re-membered (re-assembled) - α-ληθεια.
Only when this first step is achieved can man impose his will upon what is indifferent to it.
Only then does the Will attain brilliance by seeing itself through this uncaring, independent from his thoughts, feelings, ideas, world; seeing itself in the world, not "outside" of it, not detached, independent, free from it.
Only when the Will is directed by a brain that knows it is not free, can it hope to attain some degree of freedom.

Modernity can also be described as the culture of no culture, or the culture of words with no referent outside human brains - populated by the children of the book, by the book, for the book.
Scripture has given way to text, quotations, human thoughts, recipes, codes of conduct and thinking, human precedent, human language.
To have an impact one must refer and defer to text...to popular documentation, credentials, famous words.
I can only adapt for the sake of results.  
Balagangadhara put it this way in his book The Heathen in his Blindness:

Balagangadhara wrote:
 The price, the Christological price, paid for this admission is evident:the uniqueness of God’s revelation in Jesus will have to be sacrificed. In such a case, the Christ figure becomes the problem of Christianity – the relation, that is, between Jesus and the Christ. In his poignant book,
Father Schillebeeckx notices the problem in this way:

"[We worden hier geconfronteerd met enerzijds het moeilijke, haast paradoxale idee van Jezus’ particuliere, onbeschrijflijk bijzondere verhouding tot God en anderzijds met het feit dat hij als historisch verschijnsel een ‘contingent’, beperkt proces is, dat andere wegen naar God niet kan uitsluiten of negeren…Dit…impliceert ook dat we theo-logie niet kunnen
herleiden tot een christologie…(ibid: 29).]


On the one hand, we are confronted here with the difficult, almost paradoxical idea of the particular, indescribably special relation of Jesus to God and, on the other, with the fact that, as a historical appearance, he is a ‘contingent’ and limited process which cannot either neglect or close-off other roads to God…This…also implies that we cannot reduce theo-logy
to a christology
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Not only will such a stance sacrifice Christ, but also the ‘divine’.
Because this divine – when looked at cross-culturally – refers to different entities in different traditions. That is to say, ‘God’ itself will become a Christian God; he will find his place among other gods; or he will be assimilated in these cultures by becoming yet another member of the ‘heathen’ pantheon. This assimilation may enable one to talk in the languages of other peoples and cultures but the ‘theo-logical’ and not merely the Christological price is also in proportion: who is this ‘God’ that is supposed to reveal Himself? Rama? Shiva? Shakti?
The ‘Brahman’? Perhaps, none of these and the Devil himself in person?  

What stood in the way of Christian (Judaic) ethos to become truly universal (viral), when it came into contact with Hellenism, was, ironically, the Christ figure.
Modernity did away with this, secularizing the Judeo-Christian ethos by killing "God"...ergo "God is dead" refers only to the symbol of the Absolute, the Holy....the death of the anthropomorphic representation.
 
In its place a word was placed: Love, later Freedom, commune, proletariat, humanity...
Modernity consists in secularizing the same Nihilistic ethos by reducing it to a word on less detached from reality than the concept of God was.
God was pure, in that He had no reference in the 'undesirable', brutal, 'dirty' world of man.
He was "clean".

But because He allowed evil, dirt, to enter the world He Created, supposedly, He was placed in a paradox...a linguistic one.
Secularization dealt with the aspect of motive.
The word, in this case "God, was made more abstract by detaching whatever remnants to reality still existed in the concept of a God with a beard, and a brain, and a form.
Pure 'word' took His place.

Equality, Freedom, Love...all cleansed of their dirtiness, their connection to animal, human activities.
The distaste reaching hatred is evident.
All these modern sacred words have no reference to anything perceivable. They are contradicted by human experience - they negate it.
They exist as pure theo(ory)....hypothesis, a coming future...holy noumenon, represented this time not by some human caricature but by another abstraction: word, number.

God morphed into ONE, LOVE, PEACE, HUMANITY...we can add many more.
None of these words have any reference outside the human brain, and none of them refer to an action, an appearance, a phenomenon.
They are kept clean and holy.
A unifying idea(l).

Paradise, became Utopia.
The beyond the world, outside space/time, became immanence (Spinoza), an always not here, not present, future.
A projection so detached form reality, nature (past) that it becomes fantastic, hyperbolic, inflated in proportion to the self-hatred, dissatisfaction, discontentment it is asked to cope with.

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PostSubject: Re: A War Like No Other Wed Mar 26, 2014 11:51 am

The "common" usage of words is bland, inartistic, dull...literal.
The average man has very little talent for language.
He uses words in broad strokes or by a painting by the numbers method, where the dictionary definitions become scripture, and though many different definitions might be given to the word, the underlying nuances escape popular appreciation.

This only exacerbates the limitations of language, restricting its utility by complaining the word within its lowest common denominator, the common usage.
Common usage is affected by fashion, trendiness, popular applications.
The word can act as a metal bar incarcerating the human psyche within its stringency, its literalistic absolutism, and its its socioeconomic and cultural usefulness.

Some languages are more impoverished than others, adding to the problem.

Take the word Need.
It is perfect because it refers to the consciousness of an absence.
I feel need because I am an organism, a self-organizing, emergent unity, in a reality tending towards chaos, randomness.
This temporal attrition produces in me, as organism, a need.
If the mind cannot satiate it, decreasing its call, then it increases in discomfort, to a level we call suffering, or pain.
Time, as a measurement of change, does not stop, and so if I do nothing, I begin to experience this change, this entropic attrition upon my ordering,m as an uncomfortable need.
No pleasure is possible, because the word is decreasing in order, and pleasure is the sensation of momentary, sometimes explosive, sudden, gratification of a pressing need. the more uncomfortable the need has become, the more pleasure in its gratification I experience.

Pleasure is not the elimination of the need, it is the temporary reduction of it, (the sensation of existence), to a level where the mind need not concern itself with it.
It is the reduction of care, concern, attentiveness.
pleasure in all other cases is a disruption of focus upon need. A distraction caused by a projection of possibilities or an conscious immersion in an externally perceived, aesthetically engaged, order/symmetry.
The brain being a tool for ordering is, naturally, drawn to all manifestations of order...patterns, sonar and physical symmetry, or brain symmetry experienced as creativity (humor, imagination etc.), intelligence, demeanor/character/personality.
The order offers the mind inspiration, an example of a probability, that soothes the mind with its presence, and pulls it closer with its superior power, the gravity/mass of its order.

Wants/Desire

The word desire was sexual undertones, and is best used to define a refinement of the term want.
A want is also a nuanced reference to need/suffering.

Want is best applied in reference to memetic contexts, just as need/suffering is best applies to genetic contexts.
The application is not arbitrary and not superfluous.
It is used as a tool to differentiate the different manifestations of need/suffering, within different contexts.
It is a tool for understanding, by categorizing.
The usage of a different word, symbol, code, is meant to give the nuanced modification of the original word "need" a greater precision, so that language does not result in confusion, but leads to clarity.
in common parlance these words are used interchangeably, carelessly, but if we care, we are concerned, we are motivated by the need to satisfy our curiosity or to comprehend ourselves within existence, then the words become hues on a painter's palette...cords on a musicians violin.
More care than the common usage is required...just as an sculptor takes greater care, than a laymen, to chisel a stone.

The term "want," can now be used as a modification of the term 'desire' which slightly eliminates, reduces, the erotic connotations, making it useful ni describing organic behavior outside of mammalian, heterosexuality.
Wants, being memetically defined, can be manufactured, as man is the creator, constructor, of memes. Man is the organism that intervenes upon nature, and genetic processes, so as to manufacture man-made environments, sometimes in antithesis to the processes he intervened upon - Nihilistic.

Wants are the manufacturing of an object/objective which satisfies multiple needs.
Needs underlay wants, making them conspicuous foundations of the object/objective...increasing he effectiveness of manufacturing them.
This is particularly useful in human political and marketing contexts, where the masses can be manipulated by selling an idea, or an object/objective, by subtly connecting it with human needs...and desires.
Man is made to want things (consumerism) which he may not need, by symbolically suggestion a connection to a need which is part of his essence.
This subtlety is what we call seduction.
To say something, indirectly, to suggest it without actually saying it.
The other begins to want/desire, without knowing what it is that made him/her want/desire.
The individual is unconscious of the connection, because nothing has been clarified, but only suggested, symbolized, insinuated...yet (s)he feels an urge towards the object/objective.
Once the connection has been suggested, the subconscious takes over, attracted by the promise of a satiated need.

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PostSubject: Re: A War Like No Other Wed Mar 26, 2014 10:38 pm

Ah words....word, so many pretty, pretty words.

So many of them, each with its own slight variation to the theme.
How many words for snow do the Inuit have?
Same phenomenon, but each one a tiny bit different in its reference.

Words to help distinguish the minutia, but, in the wrong hands, word to to cast uniformity over it all.

Take the word "want".
It can be used in many ways...sometimes it can be sued to contradict need.
Not to offer a variant of need, but to pretend an opposition to it.

I want...I desire...I need.
Each slightly different, and yet not so different.

Words to be used sometimes literally, sometimes as symbols, figuratively, sometimes to mean the opposite of what they mean.

Words that an help an honest motive, or discourage prying eyes from seeing the motive, the intent.


Modernity is the age of words.
The Holy Book, is our centerpiece.
The Jews learned much from the Greeks....from the Oracles.

We are the people of the Book, by the Book, for the Book....Encompassed by the codes of linguistics, trying to cover up the world itself.

Motive....intent.
It's the first thing you must discover about the user of words.

Is he trying to find clarity, or to hide from reality?
The first hint is a reluctance to define words....more than by referring to scripture, to a dictionary, but by connecting the words they use to something experienced, sensed.

The second hint is a reluctance to explain one's own positions...to allude to them but not to actually display them honestly, clearly, directly.
A feminine coyness - a playfulness with words.
A need to preserve self, ego, by keeping an escape route open....by never concerning yourself in with a clear position.

The third is this need to have the other explore you...to want them to seek you out, so as to then flee mocking them: "You can't catch me! You can't see me!".

Words used to pretend that something is being said, when nothing is being said; words used to pretend one knows when he is clueless.
Words have rhythms, and silences...tones.
Each letter a note, a sound separated by silence.

Words are musical.

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PostSubject: Re: A War Like No Other Sun Mar 30, 2014 7:59 pm

I've said this before but the manimals populating our small alcove suffer from Modernism.
ADD....and social autism - the idiot savant syndrome.

Perspectivism only works when words are disconnected from experience, form phenomena, from sensuality, from reality.
Then binary concepts like beauty/ugly....superior/inferior....smart/stupid....negative/positive....become interchangeable, arbitrary....subjective.

The malleability of words, referring to mental abstractions unconcerned about sensual data is what makes cultural relativism, anti-racism, anti-sexism, anti judgment possible.
When the words, referring to the mental model are detached from reality, they can refer to anything...because they refer to personal taste that faces no culling. It only works in sheltering environments, because nature, reality, the world, does not give a shit about human hopes, ideals, expectations, or preferences.

Once the word is attached to reality, is defined not by referring it to a dictionary, to text, or back human abstractions, purified concepts, then the perspetivism ploy is castrated.
When the standard is placed outside human ideals, it ceases to be subjective.
Beauty is not in the eye of the beholder, no matter how desperately the modern idealists want it to be so.
It is the eye that evolves to perceive the beautiful, because the eye is an organ serving the interests of an organism...an organization.
The individual may pretend that it is not seeing ugliness, a lower grade of symmetry, but its duplicity will eventually expose itself.
Even an ugly, fat, female, dreams of banging the tall, dark, fit, and handsome male.
She may settle, but she does so by repressing, hiding, fooling herself.

Does a dung beetle love dung?
Yes.
It's need for dung characterizes its nature.

Is c-RAP music equal to other forms in lyricism, melody, complexity?
No.
Do some people,m the majority, even, like c-RAP music?
Definitely
This like defines their essence.

Is c-RAP music "bad", or "good"?
It depends on what your goal is, what your ideals are.

Values judgments:
Juxtapositions.

Of what?
Of one to an other.
OR
Of one to an average.
Or
Of one or an average to a goal, an idea(l), a projected object/objective.

Is intelligence good?
Is it bad?
Is stupidity, simplicity, good or bad?
Neither.
Intelligence is good or bad in reference to a goal, an ideal.

In some cases being stupid/simpleminded is advantageous...such as within sheltering environments.
In natural environments being stupid is never good...because the outcome is never intervened upon.
In sheltering environments it is a benefit because it produces internal harmony, complacency, discipline....harmony.
Like with ant colonies and bee hives.

An emergence of self-consciousness, a sense of identity, of intelligence, in the tiny brain of a bee would make its incorporation into the hive, as a blind automaton, problematic.


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You write a lot of words to justify your prejudice against a person.
It's a very elaborate ad hominem [/i ].
Speaking of that...
Do you know your latin, dear?

want: quaero: I seek
desire: de sidere: (from the stars) I wait for what the stars will bring
need: egeo: I am without

Please go on, tell me that they are words all meaning the same. Tell me that asking you to use words to mean what they mean is restricting to your ability to [i]philisophize
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Darling, I don't care for what goes on the inside of your mind, I can't go there... god knows, I'd need a haz suit.
If you do bring your mind out here, though, do try and use the language of your choosing with the finesse that is owed to your thoughts.
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PostSubject: Re: A War Like No Other Mon Mar 31, 2014 1:49 am

Then there is the pattern with Words where one is triggered by the Words of someone else, and a restatement of one's position is presented as if it is a response.  Instead of directly interacting with the Words of the one one disagrees with, the person, not simply preserving ego, but utterly cocooned in it, uses any situation as an opportunity to hear himself say what he knew was true long Before this particular discussion takes Place.   Purity is maintained by not integrating the position he is supposedly responding to into the response, and not showing in this way the hypothetical errors or weaknesses.  No, the regurged essay, likely found in other threads - truly this must be exhausting while also facile -stands on its own, not quite responding, Calling out implicitly its victory over the position it did not really understand enough to respond to in specific.  Often this pattern is accompanied by implicit ad homs, Little dominance tics.  A recent example is some other thread somewhere, a humble exclamation of not being able to help.   This metacomment masks the insult by responding to a hallucinated desire on the part of the other.   The burden of the wise when their to some degree response-ish essays are not enough.

>Is this pattern feminine? hmmm. There is a bit of the not longer experiencing bitch about it. Is it masculine? Sure, sadly it is a minority pattern.

Bit of a myth the Inuit having more Words for snow.  

Dung Beetle in its overapplication a bit of a misnomer.  A good number of dung beetles are not.

But who cares, why quibble over Words.

The slings and Arrows of outrageous abstraction.  

Stay focused on the mass when focused on the lower other and stay focused on the specific exceptions when focused on one's own.

Naive realism, the conduit metaphor for language and Words as mirror fragments. Everything has been cleared up.
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PostSubject: Re: A War Like No Other Mon Mar 31, 2014 8:26 am

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You write a lot of words to justify your prejudice against a person.

Typically female to take everything so personally, so emotionally.

Why do creatures like these incapable of objective detachment pose to do philosophy?

Because philosophy has become cheap literature.
No longer an initiatory discipline.

Intellectual criticism becomes emotional ad hominem.

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It's a very elaborate ad hominem [/i ].
Speaking of that...
Do you know your latin, dear?

want: quaero: I seek
desire: de sidere: (from the stars) I wait for what the stars will bring
need: egeo: I am without

Please go on, tell me that they are words all meaning the same. Tell me that asking you to use words to mean what they mean is restricting to your ability to philisophize .
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want -

c.1200, "to be lacking," from Old Norse vanta "to lack, want," earlier *wanaton, from Proto-Germanic *wanen, from PIE *we-no-, from root *eue- "to leave, abandon, give out" (see vain). The meaning "desire, wish for, feel the need of" is recorded by 1706.


need -

Old English nied (West Saxon), ned (Mercian) "necessity, compulsion, duty; hardship, distress; errand, business," originally "violence, force," from Proto-Germanic *nauthis (cf. Old Saxon nod, Old Norse nauðr, Old Frisian ned, Middle Dutch, Dutch nood, Old High German not, German Not, Gothic nauþs "need"), probably cognate with Old Prussian nautin "need," and perhaps with Old Church Slavonic nazda, Russian nuzda, Polish nędza "misery, distress," from PIE *nau- "death, to be exhausted" (see narwhal).

The more common Old English word for "need, necessity, want" was ðearf, but they were connected via a notion of "trouble, pain," and the two formed a compound, niedðearf "need, necessity, compulsion, thing needed." Nied also might have been influenced by Old English neod "desire, longing," which often was spelled the same. Common in Old English compounds, e.g. niedfaru "compulsory journey," a euphemism for "death;" niedhæmed "rape," the second element being an Old English word meaning "sexual intercourse;" niedling "slave." Meaning "extreme poverty, destitution" is from c.1200.


desire -

early 13c., from Old French desirrer (12c.) "wish, desire, long for," from Latin desiderare "long for, wish for; demand, expect," original sense perhaps "await what the stars will bring," from the phrase de sidere "from the stars," from sidus (genitive sideris) "heavenly body, star, constellation" (but see consider). Related: Desired; desiring.


Philosophy in the grand sense is about positing values that Rule.

And what's a value?

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"Values are, psychologically considered, the results of certain perspectives of utility, designed to maintain and increase human constructs of domination-and they have been falsely projected into the essence of things."


Words are TOOLS HINGED to GOALS/IDEALS.

To use words in a design that increase self-mastery is what "Philosophy" is about.
The Philosopher is a Ruler.

The eagle's vantage is for the broadest over-view and deploying words that cover it.

Its not the realm of philosophy, but philology to study the geneaology of words that SERVE  the best deployment and usage to Ruling which Philosophy is.


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If you do bring your mind out here, though, do try and use the language of your choosing with the finesse that is owed to your thoughts.



Stupidity talks. Its funny.

When idiots cannot see Philosophy from literature.

History, and the history of language only Serve the Philsoopher,,, the Philosopher is not here to serve the language. Only retards jabber that way.

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PostSubject: Re: A War Like No Other Mon Mar 31, 2014 8:29 am

So many words...no response.

I am forced to either repeat, or to ignore.

To use words to mask, to bury, to conceal, is what the children of the Book, the holy text, do when they refuse to connect the noumennon to the phenomenon, preferring to let the mind free itself from the burden of reality, and fly off into the fantastic heavens where nothing limits it, confronts it, challenges its "ideals".

The practice of burying yourself up your own anus rests on two necessities: either one is protected from his own detachment, his own naive, infantile stunted development, or one is a hypocrite, saying one thing and then acting in contradiction to the words one uses.

Want = a focus of need upon an object/objective
Desire = a libidinal connotation of the previous.

Need = a more organic word, encompassing both want and desire, as all these words are about a lack.
One can apply it in reference to mammals and to plants.

Whether one seeks, or waits, does not alter the lack.
One does not seek unless he is missing something.
One does not wait unless he feels like something is absent.

Cultural perspectivism: all cultures, all art, are equal in quality.
Only a sheltered mind would utter such absurdities when nature is all about selecting the superior.

The uniformity of thinking of creativity....accomplished only when sheltering does not impose a cost upon stupidity, upon inferiority.
The simple admission that all humans are forced to live by the products of their own subjectivity, is turned into the illusion that all minds produce a more accurate description, understanding of the world, reality.

Reality, the world, cares not for human ideals, and hopes, and ideas.
It fluctuates rendering them obsolete, but not before the superior ones ascend in clarity.

From now on....I will use less words.
More ambiguity.

How long can an old-fart, a "primitive"  man, deal with an infant?

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PostSubject: Re: A War Like No Other Mon Mar 31, 2014 8:37 am

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Then there is the pattern with Words where one is triggered by the Words of someone else, and a restatement of one's position is presented as if it is a response.

But is the other doing any different?

Have positions really changed just because words have? Just because they are presented with different examples?

Repetition indicates no counter-change.




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 Instead of directly interacting with the Words of the one one disagrees with, the person, not simply preserving ego, but utterly cocooned in it, uses any situation as an opportunity to hear himself say what he knew was true long Before this particular discussion takes Place.

I don't see anything dishonest in presenting a general position that 'takes care' of individual claims.


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Purity is maintained by not integrating the position he is supposedly responding to into the response,

I disagree with that charge; perhaps if you care to point out which claim went un-attended?


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Dung Beetle in its overapplication a bit of a misnomer.  A good number of dung beetles are not.

For every x, there is going to be subconditional clauses,,, do we throw out x?
The sky is blue, but on stormy days, it turns black. Do I not make the statement the sky is blue for fear of stormy days and take it out? And even if I did take it out, even if I didn't make that statement, will it change reality as it is, that the sky Is blue?


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But who cares, why quibble over Words.

The slings and Arrows of outrageous abstraction.  

But that's the point he's making. They are not.
Words Are actions, exposing one's physiological values.

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PostSubject: Re: A War Like No Other Mon Mar 31, 2014 8:45 am

Lyssa wrote:
But is the other doing any different?

Have positions really changed just because words have? Just because they are presented with different examples?

Repetition indicates no counter-change.


The demand to change one's mind, as an indication of open-mindedness, resting on the assumption that all must change just because....and for no reason.
It's the Modernistic reflection of chaos....constant flux.
Though environment changes at a slower rate than a human lifetime, or a generation or ten, the, so called, "progressive" must enact change...meaning it must bring about a human alteration to an environment that has not altered fast enough for its tastes.
The "progressive" as the one who conserves, is conservative to the unavoidable 'towards chaos'.
It's why anarchism is a product of the "left" side of the political spectrum, not the "right".
A dissatisfaction with "what is", grasping on change as an immanent coming, a blind hope (faith).

It offers nothing different to defend its delusional positions, it says nothing, really....and yet it expects the other to change....just because.

Look-up the specimen's positions on art.
All is a matter of taste.
Cultural perspectivism.
No superior art produced within a superior culture emerging in population with superior creativity.

No ascent, no growth...all is uniform.
All is different, yet the same.
Sameness is the hidden presupposed ideal.
Difference is superficial.

Beauty, accidental.
The eye evolves to create beauty, not to discover it.
The brain evolves to construct order, not to discover it, uncover it...and then to imitate it, symbolize it, understand it, reconstruct it, appreciate it.

Man...Ape....the same.

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PostSubject: Re: A War Like No Other Mon Mar 31, 2014 12:44 pm

Satyr wrote:
Lyssa wrote:
But is the other doing any different?

Have positions really changed just because words have? Just because they are presented with different examples?

Repetition indicates no counter-change.


The demand to change one's mind, as an indication of open-mindedness, resting on the assumption that all must change just because....and for no reason.


Kovacs says, "uses any situation as an opportunity to hear himself say what he knew was true long Before this particular discussion takes Place.",, and fifi says, "You write a lot of words to justify your prejudice against a person.
It's a very elaborate ad hominem";

As the history of the threads in the forum show, it is Fifi who first began the prejudicial condescending calling you an "old man" and juxtaposing her "spontaneity" and "coquettishness" to imply her grasp on aesthetics was better because she was such.

Now that's a very blatant ad hominem.

Kovacs says individual posts were ignored and truth was already made up in your mind before discussion, but the one who began with the first bias, the first prejudice "old man" is fifi and her own rigidity of that bias before she even listened.

But where's any intellectual honesty here to accept that?

Before that kind of pre-judicial thinking, why SHOULD anyone respond to them individually when they come with such fixed bias?


In my opinion, you've been far too considerate Satyr.


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PostSubject: Re: A War Like No Other Mon Mar 31, 2014 12:52 pm

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Kovacs says, "uses any situation as an opportunity to hear himself say what he knew was true long Before this particular discussion takes Place.",, and fifi says, "You write a lot of words to justify your prejudice against a person.
It's a very elaborate ad hominem";

As the history of the threads in the forum show, it is Fifi who first began the prejudicial condescending calling you an "old man" and juxtaposing her "spontaneity" and "coquettishness" to imply her grasp on aesthetics was better because she was such.

Now that's a very blatant ad hominem.
Yeah...but that's part of the game.
To listen to the words that contradict the actor's acting.

Like "All deserved love".
Same principle.
The act conflicting with the words.
It's why specimens are so useful.

Take their opposition to my positions of need/suffering.
They enter with no understanding...then they declare with no arguments.
They expect me to come up with new material when they haven't understood nor contradicted my positions.
They say nothing, and then fall back on "that's not what I meant".

They say shit like "life is not JUST about suffering."
The argument being?
Where did I say pleasure was not also part of life?
Did I not define it as the negation of need/suffering?

Then they go into the usual:
"You can change words and the reasoning applies"
Nope...'cause I've anchored my words on perceptible phenomenon, and not pulled it out of thin air.

When I say "need" I connect it to time, change, entropy...metaphysics, physics, psychology...
I don't say "Just because"...or "Need emerges spontaneously".
 
Lyssa wrote:
Kovacs says individual posts were ignored and truth was already made up in your mind before discussion, but the one who began with the first bias, the first prejudice "old man" is fifi and her own rigidity of that bias before she even listened.

But where's any intellectual honesty here to accept that?
Supposedly, one must enter a conversation with a blank mind...and then accept any opinion, just because....or for the sake of argument.

Humility must be offered, for the exchange to occur.
No matter how stupid, weak, the other is, the benefit of the doubt, to let him participate, as if, he were a contender.  

Lyssa wrote:
Before that kind of pre-judicial thinking, why SHOULD anyone respond to them individually when they come with such fixed bias?
Usually I respond to them as a group.
They come from different directions but their presupposed premises is shared.  

Lyssa wrote:
In my opinion, you've been far too considerate Satyr.
Ah shucks, Lyssa, you're only saying that 'cause you like me.

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PostSubject: Re: A War Like No Other Mon Mar 31, 2014 12:56 pm

What is feminine is to continue a relation with a narcissist/solipsist AS IF the dynamic is or even more commonly WILL SOME DAY transform into an actual dynamic relation. So the narcissist/solipsist first only becomes aware of the other when they refuse to play the role of (only) audience/appreciator. Often he will accuse the other person, who refuses the demanded role of long suffering wife, of running away, when in fact all that is happening is that the other is behaving, now, just like the narcissist. The narcissist never having to run away since he is not present for a dynamic relation in the first place. His running away is habitual. So the dynamic may become, for example, a short essay meets the short essay of the narcissist. To go on as if an actual interaction was going to take place would be feminine. The giving of a spotlight. The wistful role of the bhakti sunyasin. Because some who come to ignore the narcissist are not so bright or honest, this becomes a handy mental reference for the narcissist who extends this to cover all who ignore him, making a nice blanky.
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PostSubject: Re: A War Like No Other Mon Mar 31, 2014 1:02 pm

None of the above is an argument on anything.

An ad hominem attack, trying to discredit the source, and ignore the topic.

Here's a real narcissist:
Someone who believes he deserves immortality and that the world was created for his pleasure.
Someone who is engulfed in his own self-referential verbiage, where none of his words refer to anything outside his skull.
He says little because he does not have to justify his feelings to anyone.

And because I've encountered this angle about a hundred times before....here's what I wrote about it way back when I gave a shit:
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"The man had a smooth voice, like velvet. “I’m Detective Inspector Me. Unusual name, I know. My family were incredibly
narcissistic. I’m lucky I escaped with any degree of humility at all, to be honest, but then I’ve always managed to exceed expectations. You are Kenny Dunne, are you not?”
“I am.”
“Just a few questions for you, Mr Dunne. Or Kenny. Can I call you Kenny? I feel we’ve become friends these past few seconds. Can I call you Kenny?”
“Sure,” Kenny said, slightly baffled.
“Thank you. Thank you very much. It’s important you feel comfortable around me, Kenny. It’s important we build up a level of trust. That way I’ll catch you completely unprepared when I
suddenly accuse you of murder." [Derek Landy (Death Bringer)]


And then there's the kind of narcissist who is exactly like that who insists others feel comfortable around them, and pay lip service to politeness and go through the "ordeal of civility"... and that way, when they call the other "old man", it doesn't register as an ad hominem at all... one laughs coquettishly... like it were harmless....

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PostSubject: Re: A War Like No Other Mon Mar 31, 2014 1:16 pm

It helps them cope with the ideas without having to deal with them.

So be it.

It's the idea that if you do not pay them attention then you pay nobody attention.
Your behavior towards them, though they do not warrant it, is indicative of your behavior towards everybody.  

Be impolite to a true Modern narcissist....see how he imagines you being impolite in general.
He deserves, because it is universal.

If you do not love him, you lack the ability to love.
You are loveless, in a universal sense.
He is the universal, which demands love, respect...attention, to be taken seriously.
Your attitude towards him is your attitude towards life, towards the universe, towards ALL.

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PostSubject: Re: A War Like No Other Mon Mar 31, 2014 1:21 pm

Have you seen an envious ugly chick when a beautiful woman receives the male attentions she covets?

She accuses the woman of soliciting attention, when it is she who wants to draw some of it away and focus it upon herself, and if she is ignored she calls her a "stuck-up whore".
Whether the beautiful woman is actually seeking attention, or if she's receiving it simply for being what she is, is besides the point,. What matters to the needy, ugly, woman, is that the attention she desires is being absorbed by an other.

Same shit.

Isn't it interesting that philosophy, for the Kovacs of the world, is about a relationship; a persona to persona interaction where the topic, reality, the world, is of a secondary matter?

The topic of the world, as that which is being explored, takes a secondary place. First place is preserved for the human dynamic, the relationship.
The speakers must become intimate, as people....not as minds exchanging opinions about something, where the personal is excluded.
Both sides must be gratified...otherwise why bother exploring reality?
Whatever is discussed, for the Modern schizophrenic/narcissist, must be mutually beneficial.
The relating is not between I and the world but I and myself or I and the other, who is a reflection of my self.

His narcissism is now an openness to other.
He wants to focus on other, so as to receive from the other attention.
The topic of reality, as what is other than both participants, is excluded...a medium to engage in a relating: civility, love, politeness, care.....
 
The real must be engaged through this dynamic. The other's feelings must be taken into consideration, so as to ensure that one's own are also given the same care.

He deserves to be listened to, though he says nothing of relevance.
He deserves simply for participating, for existing, for having something to say.  
If you do not pay him the heed he needs, expects, demands (narcissism right there) then it's you who is self-absorbed.

Deny a needy person love and see how fast he accuses you of being narcissistic.
Self-love begins, for the modern in the other's love.

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PostSubject: Re: A War Like No Other Tue Apr 01, 2014 1:00 am

Lyssa wrote:
fifi wrote:
You write a lot of words to justify your prejudice against a person.

Typically female to take everything so personally, so emotionally.

Did that sound personal to you? Did it sound emotional? It sounds to me like you are reading more than is there.

No matter, I'll take it as a compliment.

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Why do creatures like these incapable of objective detachment pose to do philosophy

Simple, what I am not involved with, I don't care about.

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Because philosophy has become cheap literature.
No longer an initiatory discipline.

as evidenced by the content of this website

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Intellectual criticism becomes emotional ad hominem.
The criticism is great. Make more.

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It's a very elaborate ad hominem [/i ].
Speaking of that...
Do you know your latin, dear?

want: quaero: I seek
desire: de sidere: (from the stars) I wait for what the stars will bring
need: egeo: I am without

Please go on, tell me that they are words all meaning the same. Tell me that asking you to use words to mean what they mean is restricting to your ability to philisophize .
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want -

c.1200, "to be lacking," from Old Norse vanta "to lack, want," earlier *wanaton, from Proto-Germanic *wanen, from PIE *we-no-, from root *eue- "to leave, abandon, give out" (see vain). The meaning "desire, wish for, feel the need of" is recorded by 1706.


need -

Old English nied (West Saxon), ned (Mercian) "necessity, compulsion, duty; hardship, distress; errand, business," originally "violence, force," from Proto-Germanic *nauthis (cf. Old Saxon nod, Old Norse nauðr, Old Frisian ned, Middle Dutch, Dutch nood, Old High German not, German Not, Gothic nauþs "need"), probably cognate with Old Prussian nautin "need," and perhaps with Old Church Slavonic nazda, Russian nuzda, Polish nędza "misery, distress," from PIE *nau- "death, to be exhausted" (see narwhal).

The more common Old English word for "need, necessity, want" was ðearf, but they were connected via a notion of "trouble, pain," and the two formed a compound, niedðearf "need, necessity, compulsion, thing needed." Nied also might have been influenced by Old English neod "desire, longing," which often was spelled the same. Common in Old English compounds, e.g. niedfaru "compulsory journey," a euphemism for "death;" niedhæmed "rape," the second element being an Old English word meaning "sexual intercourse;" niedling "slave." Meaning "extreme poverty, destitution" is from c.1200.


desire -

early 13c., from Old French desirrer (12c.) "wish, desire, long for," from Latin desiderare "long for, wish for; demand, expect," original sense perhaps "await what the stars will bring," from the phrase de sidere "from the stars," from sidus (genitive sideris) "heavenly body, star, constellation" (but see consider). Related: Desired; desiring.


Philosophy in the grand sense is about positing values that Rule.

And what's a value?

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"Values are, psychologically considered, the results of certain perspectives of utility, designed to maintain and increase human constructs of domination-and they have been falsely projected into the essence of things."


Words are TOOLS HINGED to GOALS/IDEALS.

To use words in a design that increase self-mastery is what "Philosophy" is about.
The Philosopher is a Ruler.

The eagle's vantage is for the broadest over-view and deploying words that cover it.

Its not the realm of philosophy, but philology to study the geneaology of words that SERVE  the best deployment and usage to Ruling which Philosophy is.

Dear I agree whole-heartedly.
There can be no philosophy without philology, just as there can be no table without an axe/saw.
The most brilliant philosopher, when throwing words around like an ass, sounds like an ass, surprisingly.

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Darling, I don't care for what goes on the inside of your mind, I can't go there... god knows, I'd need a haz suit.
If you do bring your mind out here, though, do try and use the language of your choosing with the finesse that is owed to your thoughts.



Stupidity talks. Its funny.

When idiots cannot see Philosophy from literature.

History, and the history of language only Serve the Philsoopher,,, the Philosopher is not here to serve the language. Only retards jabber that way.

Do notice that what I wrote was that his thoughts deserve a fine use of words.
It was a compliment.

Stupidity can't read. It's funny.
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PostSubject: Re: A War Like No Other Tue Apr 01, 2014 7:20 am

Philosophy = It's spontaneous....just because.

I feel like lettuce, and my mystical experiences are the end itself.

Let us pray, brothers and sisters.

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PostSubject: Re: A War Like No Other Wed Apr 02, 2014 1:55 pm

Dost thou not suspect my place? Dost thou not suspect my years? O that he were here to write me down an ass! but, masters, remember that I am an ass; though it be not written down, yet forget not that I am an ass. No, thou villain, thou art full of piety, as shall be proved upon thee by good witness. I am a wise fellow; and, which is more, an officer; and, which is more, a householder; and, which is more, as pretty a piece of flesh as any in Messina; and one that knows the law, go to; and a rich fellow enough, go to; and a fellow that hath had losses; and one that hath two gowns, and everything handsome about him. Bring him away. O that I had been writ down an ass!
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PostSubject: Re: A War Like No Other Wed Apr 02, 2014 2:04 pm

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As the history of the threads in the forum show, it is Fifi who first began the prejudicial condescending calling you an "old man" and juxtaposing her "spontaneity" and "coquettishness" to imply her grasp on aesthetics was better because she was such.

Now that's a very blatant ad hominem.



Dear you have it all wrong.
None of my play is aimed at personal discredit. You do notice that it has no such effect, no?

You would think of one person here who might enjoy a little... satire...
'Tis no generosity. It is the sheer pleasure of the give here and the take there.
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