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PostSubject: Re: Are you sure you aren't a Nihilist? Test yourself. Are you sure you aren't a Nihilist? Test yourself.  - Page 2 EmptySat Oct 05, 2013 8:26 pm

Thanks, Reasonvemotion.

At least you don't assume some divine level of superiority as Canterbury does haha ( classic case of hubris ). I will, indeed, keep my individuality and continue to make posts here on a regular basis, so stay tuned.

And to address your initial comment, I think rage and resentment could be used as fuel for self-improvement; e.g., whenever I lift weights in the gym or practice boxing, I tap into my subconscious rage ( from times I was stepped on by others and underestimated, etc ) to give me almost superhuman levels of strength and raw power. Rage and hatred can be converted into positive energy if one can master them or they can lead to self-destruction. A wise man once said, " What doesn't kill you makes you stronger".
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RVE, you're as ignorant as he is, so it only makes sense that you care what he has to say.

You, Mannequin and PR seem sympathetic to this forum's underlining philosophy and are very intelligent when compared to most random people, yet you both show a drastic failure to understand it. PR impresses me as having potential because he has delved into very complex and fundamental (though completely useless) aspects of philosophy and he tries to hold his head up.

PR may spend the next few months making one ignorant premise after another and people may patiently correct him, but it will take much time for it to sink in. The best one can do with short pandering responses in a short time is drill the information in his head, which isn't the point, obviously. I don't expect people's patience or his, to last long.

Calling one ignorant ignorant is far more productive than rehashing words that are already available in essay form for him to study. He will leave far wiser if he has a better idea how ignorant he is than if he leaves with the delusion that he has effectively been arguing with intelligent people, even should he gain very relevant knowledge on philosophical matters.
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Whatever you say, Varvaroi.
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Canterbury,

Socrates, was/is considered a master of philosophy, did he profess to have knowledge or wisdom?  I read he sought them arduously, but not as a body of knowledge or a doctrine.  There are several attitudes one may adopt on their individual journeys and the first I think, Canterbury, may view as yours, which is,

one must accept the authoritative declarations of people who say "they know" purely on the basis of books and sources of inspiration.

the second one,

Go, look for oneself.  Philosophy for me, is the desire to find out. The truth.

If you would care to pause and think, even those who you would consider the most unlikely, the most lowly, do ask the "whys" of life and inevitability will at some time have to face them, with more or less worldly knowledge.  I would say philosophy, for all of us, in some sense, is unavoidable.

There is much to be learned, it is continual, not complete.  There is no shame in lacking knowledge, there is however, shame in thinking you know it all.
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Protection of your lineage is one of the fundamental obligations of a genetically healthy human male.

If an intruder successfully entered my property, unwanted yet unharmed, and proceeded to desecrate what was most precious to me, the very proof of my vitality, then my social reputation and personal integrity would be on the brink of collapse. Being able to order your environment to protect yourself and your kin is paramount to any intelligent male and failing to achieve this would expose a glaring weakness within my very masculinity.

If she were my only child, what woman would now reproduce with me given my previous, grave failure?

If I am to continue to exist on this planet as a male then my standing among adept males will decline based on self-evident limitations of my efforts to protect my closest, and by extension myself. Proof of weakness.

Given the various pressures and stimuli resulting from the trauma of this event it is a perfectly healthy and realistic reaction to be emotionally inclined to murder (and torture given the severity and barbarity of your hypthetical scenario - and eye for two eyes and all that...) the individual in question, and possibly those with who he keeps close counsel (as a measure of both self-protection and insurance against retaliation, and, to bring to justice those who condone or foster the behaviours exhibited by that individual). It is very heavily dependent on the age in which these individuals exists however.

Given the policed times that we live in those perfectly natural responses are redundant or ineffectual whereas in a not too distant past, their potency would have served to help salvage an essential part of my existence and honour. The power of the current social systems creates a balance within which action/retaliation might well be more detrimental to you and your kin than inaction. These cultural barriers would not have existed throughout the majority of your genetic past and as such your biological inclination towards vengeful behaviour might be thwarted by the social norms of your time.

So really there is nothing nihilistic about it. To forgive the perpetrator entirely (to accept them as they are) would be far more so. Nietzsche's Overman had to impose his own order in a world reeling from the implosion of a Nihilstic Atonist/Monist God of the bible and it's now openly questionable moral and spiritual virtues. In doing so an Overman would define his own values according to his understanding of the observable world and impose his own order and morality and virtue. Failing to mitigate the consequences of a well established part of human reality (that is, the existence of unstable, violent and dangerous humans willing to harm you and yours) does not, in my opinion, befit the mentality or constitution of someone who truly represents the ordering and discriminating Overman ideal.

If said scoundrel were incarcerated for life, then, even long after the unchanging death of my kin at his hands, my resentment of his existence would naturally linger and resurface every time I was reminded of my failure. His death at my hands would not change the past but it might justify a genetic future and, on some small but significant level, serve as a warning to other predatory personalities waiting for an exhibition of weakness before they strike.
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Primal Rage wrote:
Satyr wrote: "Yes, a pedophile is also a natural mutations, a sexual deviation, but then so is killing a pedophile to protect your child, no?"


Protecting your child ( in of itself )  doesn't require resentment; it could be a mere action or reaction that doesn't require any sentiment. But once the feelings of resentment and vengeance come in, then it becomes nihilistic.
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You have not defined what is ressentiment first. It is not vengeance.

Your question is posed in a Nietzschean nihilism framework; yet that is not how N. defined ressentiment while speaking of nihilisms;

"While the noble man lives in trust and openness with himself (...), the man of ressentiment is neither upright nor naive nor honest and straightforward with himself. His soul squints; his spirit loves hiding places, secret paths and back doors, everything covert entices him as his world, his security, his refreshment; he understands how to keep silent, how not to forget, how to wait, how to be provisionally self-deprecating and humble. A race of such men of ressentiment is bound to become eventually cleverer than any noble race; it will also honor cleverness to a far greater degree: namely, as a condition of existence of the first importance." [KSA V, 272-3; GM, 1.10]

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"All that exists is just and unjust and equally justified in both." [Aeschylus, Prometheus]

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I haven't.

My position does not propose to kill all mutations, all deviations, all types that I find disgusting, but to be able, a a man, to use whatever means necessary to protect myself and my won if they come knocking at my door.

Christians can stay in the church and prey and chant and await death all they like, but if they come into public spaces trying to spread their dis-ease, then I must react.
Do I hate a tiger, who may eat my child?
No...and if I'm permitted I can take measures to protect him.

Having my hands tied while the tiger is permitted to run loose, is a form of repression and social selection.
It only forces me to adapt and to adjust my strategies.

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I was addressing Primal.

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Resentment = bitter indignation at having been treated unfairly.

Within the Nietzschean context, resentment = bitter indignation at having been treated unfairly using anti-nature standards. E.g., a feminist resenting men for viewing females as sexual objects. The feminist, hating biology, suffers from a Puritanical framework of viewing the flesh/sex as inherently sinful/negative. Males viewing females sexually is a form of degradation, according to feminists. This is why they get pissy with men that flirt with them, protest beauty pageants, protest porn, etc. Some feminists even go so far as to claim that the act of intercourse between a male and female ( vaginal penetration ) is a form of patriarchal oppression and rape. If only the feminist would accept that males are biologically hardwired to view females as sexual objects.
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