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PostSubject: Pop-Music/Dance Tue Dec 24, 2013 8:05 pm

Evolution of Modern musical and dance forms in the United States.

Where it all started.
Negro forms of dance caricaturing the European master's culture.  





From there...


The roots of Rockn'Roll.



The slow mixing of Negro African spiritual rhythms with European melodies...all the way up to our modern pop-music with its shallow, sexual, themes and recycled beats.
The dominance of the beat at the expense of the melody, and the lyrics (now exclusively about erotic love), except for a few exceptions, is characteristic of what we now call popular music.

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PostSubject: Re: Pop-Music/Dance Sun Mar 23, 2014 9:46 am

1:24 ''I realized that hip-hop is no longer about your race, gender or where you are from; it is now a lifestyle which you can buy into, no matter where you are in the world, like every other sub-culture.''


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PostSubject: Re: Pop-Music/Dance Fri Mar 28, 2014 11:41 am

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The slow mixing of Negro African spiritual rhythms with European melodies...all the way up to our modern pop-music with its shallow, sexual, themes and recycled beats.
The dominance of the beat at the expense of the melody, and the lyrics (now exclusively about erotic love), except for a few exceptions, is characteristic of what we now call popular music.

So true.

The melody is dying.
The core of modern popular music is experimentation with artificially generated drum beat and bass lines.
No z-plane, no depth, no ambient sounds, all located as close to you as possible ~ near field.

There is no melody in modern music. Gaps between the drum beats are simply filled up with sounds in mid and high frequency ranges.

That's all what it is.




In my opinion, we reached the peak in the late 80's/early 90's when our natural abilities and thousands of hours of practise met affordable high quality recording equipment.

At the time, you had to focus, learn, practise, master your skills, memorize entire songs note by note, and then you'd go to a recording studio.

Nowadays, most of the kids begin their journey into the world of sounds using computers or digital audio workstations (DAWs) - something what initially was designed to be a recording equipment.

They learn how to use machines or software to mix sounds, but not how to play musical instruments. They don't have to memorize even one single note.
They can stop whenever they want, save the project, and come back later.

We used to buy hi-tech to record what we were playing on our pianos, guitars, strings, cellos, clarinets, etc..., nowadays kids use hi-tech to generate beats and sounds.


We live in a 'push the button' world.




It is kind of like going back to Africa, but instead of drums they use electronic toys with BIG buttons.





Women living in our modern world don't have a chance to hear melodies during pregnancy.
There is no music arranged in tune with nature around them. There are no sounds of nature where they live either.

Nowadays, she uses a pair of headphones to isolate herself from the noise when she wants to listen to her favourite music on her shiny iPoop, but what does the kid/fetus hear?

The beat.

The fetus can hear the beat when she watches her C-Rap TV, when she listens to her favourite radio station in the car, when she goes to a club, or industrial sounds and city noise when she goes out.

So, that's the result - less and less kids naturally sing their own melodies when they are 3-7 years old. But they sure know how to clap their hands.

And this is the time when everything starts, not when you finish a music school, or any kind of course.
They hunt for talent, a natural ability to hear sounds and create melodies, not for technical skills. The public schools are not there to teach you, but to scoop from the top and sell you to a "bank manager" in a t-shirt. It doesn't matter that the office is not located in a bank.

There are no pop-stars but hookers. Only the top 1-2% get paid, everybody else ends up in massive debt.



p.s.
There is a bunch of guys who haven't changed their rules, but they play what I call "ugly pop".

These are the ones who like to have lots of fun, and settled for metal. Their kids don't push any buttons. They are here to continue...






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If you're young and want to become a professional musician, here's what you have to know:



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PostSubject: Re: Pop-Music/Dance Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:00 pm

Again, inspired by Schopenhauer's take on music, and how particles are like notes in a melody, the drum-beat is the primal, the animalistic, and so Negroes gravitate towards it.
Melody is a more sophisticated rhythm. It is a filling in of the gaps between the heart-beat based beat.
Rhythm is nuanced and reflects reality's continuum....this flow/fluidity called Flux.

The silence in between notes is part of the linguistic limitation. It should be considered a note itself.
So, cause/effect, are the notes. There is no separation between cause....effect.
The dots misrepresent reality, because language uses static abstractions, artificial absolutes, ambiguity, to make sense of fluidity.
In between cause/effect there is a connection....the effect is the sum of all causes, where the causes fall back, recede, reducing in numerical contexts, towards the near-absolute, the singularity.

In modern pop, c-RAP, the appeal is primitive. Primitive minds are attracted to it, and only to it. One can let one's self go, but when one's only musical taste is this, then this indicates an inferior mind.
The drum-beat, is an imitation of the heart-beat....the sexual impulse, the human metabolic rate.

Melody tries to imitate continuity, the flow of space/time....filling in the gaps between beats.

Notice the c-Rappers always indulge in urban poetics which is nothing more than ego displays, word-associations, veering towards a sexual message of virility, power.
Presently a white man is the top in this field...not accidentally.
The Negro has no brain to be creative outside the primal, the base.

The Caucasian can string together more creative rhymes with a more broader commentary.
Emminem is that Caucasian.

Listen to the lyrics, the words, negro c-Rappers use, and compare.

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PostSubject: Re: Pop-Music/Dance Fri Mar 28, 2014 1:55 pm

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Again, inspired by Schopenhauer's take on music, and how particles are like notes in a melody

Really?
I didn't even know that Schopenhauer said anything about music or playing an instrument. What I've said is simply my life's story, and what has happened to me. Not like I chose it.
According to what I was told, they knew when I was 4 years old, so I ended up singing in a theatre. When I was 11 I started to learn how to play a bass guitar. I also had another hobby - building electronic devices. I don't know how things were at the time in the West, but in Eastern Europe kids were crazy about building electronic toys on their own. There were shops called 'Skladnica Harcerska' (let's say 'Scouts shop') where between many things you could buy boxes with sets of resistors, capacitors, and other electronic components and build your own toys, for instance guitar effects.

I'm talking about the period before the microcomputer ZX81 came out.



At the age of 18, a friend and I joined our forces and started to record in a tiny studio owned by a University. When the guy saw what we were doing in his studio, he called his friend, and we ended up recording our stuff in a super professional studio owned by national TV.

I realized a few things in my early 20's when I was hired to produce music for an independent local TV station TV ECHO. At the time, I was studying science and technology at school run by a producer of electronic devices. (Elektroniczne Zakłady ELWRO we Wrocławiu; Siemens bought them a few years later). This was one, if not the most, technologically advanced school in Poland at the time. I have no doubt that there is not even one single public school in Britain that is as well equipped today as we were. No chance, simply because this school was an experiment. They pumped lots of money into this project. We had everything available for us - a recording studio, a small cinema, drums, instruments, etc. But they also tortured us with lessons of chemistry, math, electrical engineering and electronics.
I produced the soundtracks and subtitles for 2 short films. One was an advert of the company that owned the school, another one a film about army. (Poland was a socialist country at the time, so we used to study something like Wiedza o Społeczeństwie ('Social studies'?) and the teachers were ex soldiers.

This simple thing gave a lot of exposure, simply because the teacher was so proud that someone actually cared about what he was teaching; and his name was mentioned in the credits.

Before I even finished the school I was fully booked. On top of that my father's business was flourishing, so I had every single toy I needed to build my studio.

Anyway, in my understanding, and how I feel while playing an instrument, every single note breaths.
I don't think about rhythm, but express emotions.

I know when the magic happens.


Now, talking about feeling up the gaps.

That's something what you learn and understand when you work on ProTools, or any other professional DAW. It's like looking through a microscope. But that's about adding sounds, not about recording what you play.


I know how music is produced. I can explain any musician how to write and produce a catchy song.

What do you know about it, Satyr?


I don't care about lyrics because I don't listen to words but sounds. You might enjoy a song, but my brain doesn't work like that. I can't listen to music while doing anything else.

Did you know that white guys have been behind rap and hip-hop production from the very beginning?

One of the most well known is Dave Pensado.  And who is responsible for Snoop's sound if not white guys?

Doesn't matter whether it's Eminem, 50 cents, Emi-cent or 50 memes.

The secret is in what order you do things in the studio, not what or how they c-rap about something.


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PostSubject: Re: Pop-Music/Dance Fri Mar 28, 2014 2:04 pm

What I know I write about.
I've posted my take on Music, the most profound of all human languages.
Music is the most pure abstraction.

Math tries to reduce it to a symbolic form, but the sound captures fluidity best.

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PostSubject: Re: Pop-Music/Dance Fri Mar 28, 2014 3:04 pm

Satyr, how about this two songs:





What do you think? Are they two different styles of music, or is the recipe how to get there exactly the same?


It is all about in what order you add things to the whole arrangement. Not about words. They can make up their own words and people will like the final product.


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Sweden was big in music production some time ago. Untill the day this track came out and I was like WTF? Too much sunbathing or what?



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PostSubject: Re: Pop-Music/Dance Fri Mar 28, 2014 3:43 pm

The first two are exactly the same.
Well, not exactly since there is no exactly...but they use a common method.
The beat comes first, then the beat of the words.
the harmony is in the agreement between lyrics,a s they are produced using the human voice, and the beat.

Their opposite would be to begin with the lyrics, a poem, and then try to add music to it.

These tunes touch us in a very primitive part of ourselves. This is why youths love it.

Best example I can think of where music is directing itself towards melody is this type:


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PostSubject: Re: Pop-Music/Dance Fri Mar 28, 2014 4:16 pm

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The beat comes first, then the beat of the words.
If she's beautiful but stupid, you have to start with her words, otherwise you'll spend lots of time working with her.



The beat is a tricky part. You don't add all parts of the beat at the same time. Very often you produces one layer of the beat, then add the bass and everything else, and then come back to the beat to add hi-hats and make sure it sits on the top.
You'll also have to listen to the mix on many different speakers and devices before you master the track.


But there are many things that people use to produce modern music, and you can't hear them because they are hidden "under the skin". But without them the whole thing doesn't sound right.

for instance 'white noise'

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White noise is commonly used in the production of electronic music, usually either directly or as an input for a filter to create other types of noise signal. It is used extensively in audio synthesis, typically to recreate percussive instruments such as cymbals or snare drums which have high noise content in their frequency domain.

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PostSubject: Re: Pop-Music/Dance Fri Mar 28, 2014 4:57 pm

Yes, but the beat is that first rhythm around which you construct, you deepen, you accentuate.

The beat itself is a note that reverberates at a specific tempo...slow and deep or fast and high.
Classical music also has a beneath, but it is buried in a melody of continuity.

Isn't all pop-music built around the same beat?

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PostSubject: Re: Pop-Music/Dance Fri Mar 28, 2014 5:15 pm

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Isn't all pop-music built around the same beat?    

OK, I see what you mean. You're talking about the family of time signature - beat 4/4.

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PostSubject: Re: Pop-Music/Dance Sun Mar 30, 2014 7:09 pm

There's difference, there's difference....!?
And a kind of panic seems to set in.  It is different from what I know, do, like.   Is it good? is it better?   More panic, then Quick dismissal, either simply because what is different is hard to hook into, since anticipation, knowing where one is is part of enjoyment, or the more defensive dismissal with the judgment: it is bad, lesser, lower.   The jockeying for dominance when two dogs meet brought into aesthetics.   A dog fight of songs.   Music with the emphasis on melody with a fixed and familiar beat tends to suck.   Music based on polyrhythms with sycopation which uses melody more as ornamentation tends to suck.  Because most art, including Music, sucks.  Both forms can be simple and idiotic, both can be complex, original and interesting.    But the not mine unfamiliar panic domination terror must get shuttled into the judgment and the gates shuts.   When there is difference one thing must be better.  Mine is better.  What I am trained to hear and participate in is better.  Whew. Glad we settled that.  As if in any comparison between two movements in painting, say, one must be better than Another.   The rule is that when there is difference, one is worse, lower base.  That's the fucking rule.   Forget the subtilties of the pentatonic in blues or jazz, that melody has Always been there.  Fuck that, that music just about dionysian pleasure....that Music.   No it's better when the Music is primarily refined sugar that moves thoughts about the mind and not the body.   Something to sit still to sip a good claret. Because for all the talk about the non-existence of the noumena, the practice of demonizing the immanent Waddles forward in atheist modernism as the strange bastard Child of the very Christianity rightly criticized here. This yearning for the near incorporeal, to not be.....

The truth that in many cases when there is difference one 'thing' is better than Another, is turned into a protective Shell, in all cases of difference mine is better.  Fuckthemthat.

The opera singer vs. a great rock/blues/jazz voice.   Man the former he can Nail each tone within an inch of its Life.  Such precision, such incredib.....ly monotonous diction.   Such stiffness.  Such a limited range of nuance in timbre.  Never a blue note, let alone the utter avoidance of microtonal shifts that one finds in Music from Cultures that would also likely be spat on here. It's like the god of the librarians manifested to lecture us about his feelings.

But then this isn't about counter-damning.  That would be just as silly.
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PostSubject: Re: Pop-Music/Dance Sun Mar 30, 2014 7:37 pm

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Satyr wrote:
Isn't all pop-music built around the same beat?    

OK, I see what you mean. You're talking about the family of time signature - beat 4/4.

Yes.
I wonder if there's a correlation to the double-beat of the heart.

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PostSubject: Re: Pop-Music/Dance Sun Mar 30, 2014 8:28 pm

Ah, the Paris Salon has rendered its taste, I mean, er judgment.  Pissarro, you and those little shits get out of the capital.

Fucking Shakespeare, allowing free speech rhythms into his iambic and reducing the use of verse.   All that passion and body focus, worst in that travesty Macbeth.  Degenerate, no wonder he was so popular with commoners.

And speaking of Macbeth, good on ya' Pravda for calling Shostakovich’s Lady Macbeth, 'coarse, vulgar, primitive' and for denouncing as a formalist, of all things (Western). Hell, Beethovan was a tad brutish.

There is one true form of art, one correct school, just as there is only one, well, not God, but transcendence.

The homonculous in the head is not the body.  It's not.  Not mine anyway.

Heaven is in the attic.

It is known: constipation is aesthetically pleasing while diarrhea is cro-magnon.

And since, being dualist physicalists we can only like one or the other...... 

Have we not evolved?
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PostSubject: Re: Pop-Music/Dance Sun Mar 30, 2014 9:08 pm

The clumsy dolt enters like a ballerina...all spry and light, wearing a too-too, to show us what he has not.

No god, no absolute...only superior/inferior.
Only the ugly would declare beauty a product of the eye...and not the eye's discovery.
To protector the ugly?
Te young?
No, his own ugliness, and that which he will pass on to his brood as his inheritance.

Would anyone, not drowning in his own emotions, mistake a chimp banging on a tree-trunk, with a branch, for a Latin beat?
Why evolve when all is the same?
What is selected when all is equally valuable?
Why see?

The manimals think famous names are what differentiate the superior from the inferior, wanting to make all judgments a matter of subjective taste, with no objective standard.  
The idiot is the equal to the genius.
And why not? This too is subjective.

It's how they build the temple of equality, of uniformity, around a mound of comforting bullshit...burning, in the night.
The stench gags us all....pollution.

Who would mistake a beautiful woman for a ugly witch, except for an ugly wizard?
And he would only pretend to do so, only to hide in the accumulating ash his own ugliness.

Art is expression.
Some beg for attention, attracting intentionally.
Other attract those who, like them share the same desires.

Art is either in the medium, as rhyme, pattern, rhythm, or in the symbolism of a reality, full of order, rhyme and reason.
Taking a dump on a canvas, or in a forum, and pronouncing it deep, and artistic, only convinces those who want to believe that their every visit to the loo is an event to be memorialized in a posh museum exhibition where "ALLL are invited!!!" to enjoy the spectacle and the odors.    

And still, the world does not care.
It selects superior from inferior...unless a human hand inserts its selfish selflessness to alter the parameters...with dire consequences.

Like ballerinas clumsily dancing on the stage, thinking that they too are pretty enough for the limelight.

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PostSubject: Re: Pop-Music/Dance Sun Mar 30, 2014 9:37 pm

Satyr wrote:
Thirsty wrote:
Satyr wrote:
Isn't all pop-music built around the same beat?    

OK, I see what you mean. You're talking about the family of time signature - beat 4/4.

Yes.
I wonder if there's a correlation to the double-beat of the heart.
Such a Satyr...



Yes, of course. The heart beat is our natural metronome:

tachycardia - fast - over 100 bpm
bradycardia - slow - below 60 bpm



 
so, for instance:
Hip-Hop - one of the most popular, simple, primitive modern music:
- old school, jumping, fast - approx. 95-115 bpm (100 bpm was very popular in 90's)
- new hip-hop, slow, lazy - approx. 65-75 bpm


When you asked whether all pop-music is built around the same beat, I imagined 2 doctors talking about the same patient:

1. You - "The patient is an organism. The heart is pumping." - rhythm




2. Me - "Let's check how thick his veins are, just to make sure we don't kill him with the first injection." - pressure, intensity of a single beat

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PostSubject: Re: Pop-Music/Dance Wed May 07, 2014 3:30 pm

Minute 17:40

Interesting how these negroids without any sense on self, of their past, of where their ancestors originate; manage to dance exactly the same way as the pure Sub-Saharan Africans do..in Africa.

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PostSubject: Re: Pop-Music/Dance Mon Oct 06, 2014 2:23 am



"Whatever doesn't kill ya only makes you stronger
So Imma get stronger"

-- will.i.am, song: #thatPOWER, album: willpower

All the while, of course, "singing" (and "dancing") about getting rich and other crap only niggers can come up with.

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''To the fans she is not just a star, she is a fellow sufferer; they don't simply admire her, they identify with her - she was bullied at school and so were they.''

The weak identify with this weak-tard (Lady Gags in shit) - put into a position of international influence - because they recognize a inverted position of where the weak and depraved like her, are on top of the Artificial Hierarchy only possible within this human-made, sheltered environment.
The depraved and weak are given ''pride'' and are re-set as the standards of the ''new cool''; weak-tards propagated as having good sexual-traits to choose your partner upon.
The only experiences those weak-tards have had in regards with ''suffering'', is within school-environments as bullying.

''She has become a defender of the bullied and oppressed.''

The Jesus of the Modern world where all are included and the bullied and oppressed are made holy, respectable and admirable; not because they had beaten-down the bully and overcome their weakness, nor because of the ''oppressed'' have gained equality through proving themselves worthy or by subjecting the ''oppressor'' to their own will - by their own will; but because all whom are Natural are shamed into silence and obedience, all the Natural norms have been inverted as to ''overcome a sickness''.
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PostSubject: Re: Pop-Music/Dance Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:17 pm



Copyright on 'Black culture'; as if we asked to be bombarded with their filth, purposely mimicked by those White clowns. Stop using a White language, copyrighted as well..

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PostSubject: Re: Pop-Music/Dance Wed Mar 02, 2016 5:01 am

^That's actually a very good point, if these artists were creative their music would probably reflect somewhat what's happening in the world, but instead everyone is lulled with these generic love songs or butt songs, ego stroking.

Just a random example, Ultravox - Dancing With Tears In My Eyes was actually about cold war/fear of nuclear war. So you can see currently how detached these people are from reality, they are still singing songs about human equality/love/acceptance (even if someone was cutting their throat), instead they should be singing about survival/decadence and about Europe's oldest enemy like in Globus - Europa.

It's hard for me to believe people still think we live in a best possible society.
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PostSubject: Re: Pop-Music/Dance Wed Mar 02, 2016 7:38 am

Explains why Negroes are so popular, and proud to be so.

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