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PostSubject: Re: War Sat Jun 28, 2014 10:24 am

Lyssa wrote:
Evola wrote:
"For the strong man inaction is torture.

Hence, the nanny-state was a torture apparatus to begin with. What grew out of it is just more sophisticated torture. It will have to burn.


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A Fascist system of ethics, if thought through thoroughly, cannot but be directed along those lines. 'Scorn for the easy life' is the starting point." [MW]


I agree with this.

Here is the problem with Humanarchy, at this point. Not that Humanarchy represents the will to easy life, but it has no explicit partiality, no war-drum, no "God" - no subject that wills itself beyond itself.

The problem is enormous. The ancient will to combat thrived in a world that had no limits, that wasn't 'discovered' and closed-off from itself.

"The World" should be endless, a realm of expanse, a real to expand until one meets ones ultimate value in death. Now, it is a small pot with goldfish. We should thank at least Islam for being such a persistent enemy to the west, but we should try to utterly crush it, just for the sake of having something lower to destroy.

In doing so we would be taught the martial values again, as Islam will surely be a formidable opponent which, in its primitiveness, its conception of paradise and martyrdom, is connected to a form of warrior mentality, as Mohammed represents for them what Caesar once represented for Rome.

What bliss it would bring, to be on the warpath to crush an entire religion.
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PostSubject: Re: War Sat Jun 28, 2014 10:30 am

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"A special sacred college in Rome, the Feciales, presided over a quite definite system of rites, which provided the mystical counterpart to every war, from its declaration to its termination. More generally, it is certain that one of the principles of the military art of the Romans required them not to allow themselves to be compelled to engage in battle before certain mystical signs had defined, so to speak, its 'moment'. ...most people of today would naturally be inclined to see in this an extrinsic, superstitious superstructure. The most benevolent may see in it an eccentric fatalism, but it is neither of these. The essence of the augural art practiced by the Roman patriciate, like similar disciplines,... which can easily be found in the cycle of the greater Indo-European civilizations, was not the discovery of 'fates' to be followed with superstitious passivity: rather, it was the knowledge of points of juncture with invisible influences, by grafting onto which the forces of men could be developed, multiplied, and led to act on a higher plane, in addition to the normal plane, thus - when the harmony was perfect - bringing about the removal of every obstacle and every resistance within an event-complex which was material and spiritual at the same time. In the light of this knowledge, it cannot be doubted that Roman values, the Roman 'ascesis of power', necessarily possessed a spiritual and sacred aspect, and that they were regarded not only as a means to miliatry and temporal greatness, but also as a means of contact and connection with supernal forces." [MW]

All these paragraphs contain multiple gems. This one is so radically significant that the modern mind will not even register it.

I object to the word "supernatural", as these forces are present in nature, but invisible to the untrained eye. Nature is nothing but the sum of all forces that work on each other.
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PostSubject: Re: War Sat Jun 28, 2014 10:35 am

The Romans surely has a more technologically sound view of the occult than the National Socialists did. The Roman art was directly rooted in a world were such forces were known and revered by kings along endless lineages of power,  the nazi's only decided to re-orient politics on such forces, which helped them become the hypnotic and inevitable force that they became, but they were no where near refined and deep enough to secure for themselves true victory. We might see this period, analogously to Jung's observation of Wotan awakening full of irritation after a long, uncomfortable sleep, as the re-introduction of real power, of power for powers sake, as the first moment where the paralyzing blubbermask of Christian worldview was pierced, where war was perceived in its true face, without justice, without reasonable aims, as only the will to Victory.
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PostSubject: Re: War Sun Jun 29, 2014 8:40 pm

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The problem is enormous. The ancient will to combat thrived in a world that had no limits, that wasn't 'discovered' and closed-off from itself.

"The World" should be endless, a realm of expanse, a real to expand until one meets ones ultimate value in death. Now, it is a small pot with goldfish.

1. The world is dynamic, and so nothing is really known until one really encounters it. What looks already discovered is always changing the nearer or farther we move towards or away from it;

"Now, we all live, comparatively speaking, in far too great security for us to ever acquire a sound knowledge of man: one person studies him from a desire to do so, another from boredom, a third from habit: it is never a case of: 'study or perish!'. As long as truths do not cut into our flesh with knives, we retain a secret contempt for them: they still appear to us too much like 'winged dreams', as though we were free to have them or not have them - as though there were something in them which stood at our discretion, as though we could awaken from these truths of ours!" [N., Daybreak, 460]

2. There's that Zarathustra saying, in times of peace, the war-like man attacks himself. When there's nothing left, no worthy enemy, then you become your own. There's always self-loathing, feeding on yourself...

3. If we were to talk of more danger, the Twilight of the Gods has been surpassed by the Twilight of Man...

I've quoted this elsewhere;

Satyr wrote:
"What is happening today in the west is a type of extinction.
Human diversity may be incorporated within uniformity, but this does not mean that the distinctive characteristics of each breed of man do not suffer the natural consequences of attenuation.
The European man is slowly being taken out of the scene.
Along with him he takes the ingredients that made civilization, as we know it, possible." [Manifesto]

Satyr wrote:
"A modern disconnect, a sense of disillusionment, a disrespect for all and everything, including of one’s own self, a loss of dignity, a decline towards feminine earthiness, with promiscuity and animalistic instincts unleashed upon the world, all revealed; a shallow and empty spirituality finding enlightenment in self-hating depravity and superficial idolatry.
The deterioration of the masculine spirit is accompanied with the slow extinction of the pater, the father figure, the connector to one’s entire family legacy and to the spiritual realm which seeks to break free from its earthly bonds.
The masculine spirit strives to rise above, to overcome, to fly upwards towards a projected divinity, an ideal, and its loss constitutes a decline towards the soil, the instinctive the hedonistic, emotional, irrational, and materialistic, the feminine." [ib.]

Satyr wrote:
"Man, alone, is responsible for the condition of his species, since women will go along with any moral or spiritual decision that dominates the minds of men.
Because of this he becomes the creator of his own demise.
Feminization is, paradoxically, of a masculine design.
Nihilism is a male issue.
Extinction is a male challenge.
Is the male type a primitive expression of the human condition destined to be lost or marginalized?
That remains to be seen.
One thing is for certain, where masculinity is extinguished so is the spark of individuality, creativity, personality and un-harnessed curiosity." [Feminization]

Valuing itself is a masculine-enterprise, and with the dwindling of the masculine or thymotic spark, then it is a situation of being a-political, and to the greeks, being a-political was invisible, and being invisible was good as being dead.
So Humanarchy will have a problem if it has no thymotic agenda.

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PostSubject: Re: War Sun Jun 29, 2014 8:43 pm

FC wrote:
We should thank at least Islam for being such a persistent enemy to the west, but we should try to utterly crush it, just for the sake of having something lower to destroy.


To destroy the Influence...

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"...they must have opponents, strong opponents, if they are to become strong. -
Thus we immoralists require the power of morality: our drive of self-preservation wants our opponents to retain their strength - it only wants to become master over them." [N., WTP, 361]

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"...he deemed it impossible to end this contradiction by destroying the one and completely unleashing the other power; then, the only thing remaining to him is to make such a large edifice of culture out of himself that both powers can live there, even if at different ends of it; between them are sheltered conciliatory central powers, with the dominating strength to settle, if need be, any quarrels that break out. Such a cultural edifice in the single individual will have the greatest similarity to the cultural architecture of whole eras and, by analogy, provide continuous instruction about them. For wherever the great architecture of culture developed, it was its task to force opposing forces into harmony through an overwhelming aggregation of the remaining, less incompatible powers, yet without suppressing or shackling them." [N., HATH, 276]

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PostSubject: Re: War Sun Jun 29, 2014 8:44 pm

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In doing so we would be taught the martial values again, as Islam will surely be a formidable opponent which, in its primitiveness, its conception of paradise and martyrdom, is connected to a form of warrior mentality, as Mohammed represents for them what Caesar once represented for Rome.

What bliss it would bring, to be on the warpath to crush an entire religion.


Sloterdijk, like the other author mentioned in the Under-world thread, sees Islam as a strain of communism:

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"What qualifies political Islam as a potential successor to communism are three advantages, which can be analogously identified with historical communism. The first is the fact that an inspiring mission dynamic is inherent to Islamism, a dynamic that predisposes it to become a quickly swelling collective of new converts, that is, a "movement" in the narrow sense of the term. It is not only the case that it quasi-universally addresses "all" without discriminating on the basis of nations and social classes. It attracts especially the disadvantaged, undecided, and outraged (insofar as they are not female, and sometimes even those). It does so by presenting itself as the advocate of the spiritually and materially neglected poor and by gaining sympathies as the heart in a heartless world. The low preconditions of admission play an important part here. As soon as a person has been admitted to the ranks of believers, he is immediately usable for the purpose of the fighting community— in some cases to be immediately used as a martyr. By plunging into a vibrant community, newcomers are often given for the first time the feeling of having found a home and of not playing an equal and detached spectator but a particular role in the dramas of the world.

The second attraction of political Islam emanates from the fact that it— in a way only preceded by communism—is capable of offering its followers a clear, aggressive, and grandiosely theatrical "worldview" that rests on a clear differentiation of friend and enemy, an unmistakable mission to win, and an exhilaratingly Utopian final vision: the reconstitution of the global emirate, which is supposed to provide a shelter for the Islamic millennium, stretched out from Andalusia to the far East. With it the figure of the class enemy is replaced with that of the enemy of the faith, and class struggle is replaced by holy war—while keeping the dualistic schema of a war of principles, it demands a necessarily long war rich in casualties. As usual, in its last battle the party of the good is destined to win.

It can easily be seen that when it is used for political purposes, so-called fundamentalism is less of a matter of faith than an appeal to act or, more specifically, a matter of providing roles through which great numbers of potential actors are put into a position in which they can move from the- ory to praxis—or rather from frustration to praxis. In general it is true what demographic research has brought to light: "religion provides ... additional oil for a fire whose original fuel does not come from it." As a matrix of radical activations, Islam is on a par with historical communism; perhaps it is even superior because it can present itself with regard to its culture of origin not as a movement of radical rupture but as one of a revolutionary reestablishment.

The third and politically most important reason for the inevitably growing dramatics of political Islam (even if at this hour, after a series of defeats, it seems to have lost quite a bit of its initial attraction) results from the demographic dynamic of its field of recruitment. Just like the totalitarian movements of the twentieth century, it is essentially a youth movement or, more specifically, a movement of young men. Its verve to a large degree results from the excess of vitality of an unstoppable giant wave of unemployed and, socially speaking, hopeless male adolescents between the ages of fifteen and thirty—in their majority second, third, and fourth sons, who can enact their futile rage only by participating in the next best aggression programs. By creating in their base countries counter-worlds to the existing one, Islamic organizations create a grid of alternative positions in which angry, ambitious young men can feel important—including the impulse to attack both close and faraway enemies today rather than tomorrow." [Rage and Time]

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PostSubject: Re: War Sun Jun 29, 2014 8:44 pm

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I object to the word "supernatural", as these forces are present in nature, but invisible to the untrained eye. Nature is nothing but the sum of all forces that work on each other.  

Evola syncretizes many gnostic paths together that is not to my taste, but in the general view of his ideas, he uses that term to differentiate the earth dominated nature - the telluric forces,  from the super-natural - i.e. to its spiritualization.
To him, Transcendence or the supernatural is the domination of shapeless materialistic forces;

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"Transcendence as known to the Civis Romanus is no escape from the Contingent, nor is it submissiveness to a God to which he refers to only nominally or symbolically as a being per se, but is in reality, a point of spiritual force one reaches, not by prayer, but by Will, and which then finds expression upon the existential plane in the form of consequential acts of real-ization." [Preface to Evola's Revolutionary Force of Rome]

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PostSubject: Re: War Mon Jun 30, 2014 11:03 am

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1. The world is dynamic, and so nothing is really known until one really encounters it. What looks already discovered is always changing the nearer or farther we move towards or away from it;

This is a healthy perspective.

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"Now, we all live, comparatively speaking, in far too great security for us to ever acquire a sound knowledge of man: one person studies him from a desire to do so, another from boredom, a third from habit: it is never a case of: 'study or perish!'. As long as truths do not cut into our flesh with knives, we retain a secret contempt for them: they still appear to us too much like 'winged dreams', as though we were free to have them or not have them - as though there were something in them which stood at our discretion, as though we could awaken from these truths of ours!" [N., Daybreak, 460]

True.
I invented VO in order to avert death. That is perhaps why it is so elusive - it may simply not register with people who have no experience of pure necessity.

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2. There's that Zarathustra saying, in times of peace, the war-like man attacks himself. When there's nothing left, no worthy enemy, then you become your own. There's always self-loathing, feeding on yourself...

Only the philosophical instinct can keep distance from this self-consuming rage and so compel it to be a hammer and chisel, and put himself in the position of becoming the sculpted, the creation.

The rage of the strong man turned to himself is the steel of the philosophical hammer. The hand that wields the hammer is the will to power that remains inscrutable, that does not identify with this or that state, but only with itself, and sees everything that exists beside it as a means to enhance itself. "The spirit" that rules even over the soul, the apex point of the soul, the realm of pure possibility to which it sacrifices itself to become whole by its own terms - the transcendent, where WtP is seen as self-valuing, whereby the entity which has cleansed itself becomes 'possessed'.

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3. If we were to talk of more danger, the Twilight of the Gods has been surpassed by the Twilight of Man...

I've quoted this elsewhere;

Satyr wrote:
"What is happening today in the west is a type of extinction.
Human diversity may be incorporated within uniformity, but this does not mean that the distinctive characteristics of each breed of man do not suffer the natural consequences of attenuation.
The European man is slowly being taken out of the scene.
Along with him he takes the ingredients that made civilization, as we know it, possible." [Manifesto]

Satyr wrote:
"A modern disconnect, a sense of disillusionment, a disrespect for all and everything, including of one’s own self, a loss of dignity, a decline towards feminine earthiness, with promiscuity and animalistic instincts unleashed upon the world, all revealed; a shallow and empty spirituality finding enlightenment in self-hating depravity and superficial idolatry.
The deterioration of the masculine spirit is accompanied with the slow extinction of the pater, the father figure, the connector to one’s entire family legacy and to the spiritual realm which seeks to break free from its earthly bonds.
The masculine spirit strives to rise above, to overcome, to fly upwards towards a projected divinity, an ideal, and its loss constitutes a decline towards the soil, the instinctive the hedonistic, emotional, irrational, and materialistic, the feminine." [ib.]

Satyr wrote:
"Man, alone, is responsible for the condition of his species, since women will go along with any moral or spiritual decision that dominates the minds of men.
Because of this he becomes the creator of his own demise.
Feminization is, paradoxically, of a masculine design.
Nihilism is a male issue.
Extinction is a male challenge.
Is the male type a primitive expression of the human condition destined to be lost or marginalized?
That remains to be seen.
One thing is for certain, where masculinity is extinguished so is the spark of individuality, creativity, personality and un-harnessed curiosity." [Feminization]

Valuing itself is a masculine-enterprise, and with the dwindling of the masculine or thymotic spark, then it is a situation of being a-political, and to the greeks, being a-political was invisible, and being invisible was good as being dead.
So Humanarchy will have a problem if it has no thymotic agenda.

Yes, it will.
At least its founders are Thymotic natures, but work is to be done to sharpen this substance into a weapon, a spear, an arrow, a straight line.

I agree with Satyrs analysis of the imminent danger. And the countering of this danger is the utmost priority.

A new ideal of Europe is necessary. The EU must acquire a cultural counterpart, that grows from the soil upwards, a movement to sustain and justify the state, the speak in familiar terms. In this case the state exists before the movement does, but that does not make the necessary dynamic and rank-order different.

It is a matter of mobilizing the masculine forces in Europe. That is a matter of making these forces recognizable to themselves.

Here is where philosophy and politics meet myth and art.

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PostSubject: Re: War Mon Jun 30, 2014 11:42 am

Lyssa wrote:
FC wrote:
We should thank at least Islam for being such a persistent enemy to the west, but we should try to utterly crush it, just for the sake of having something lower to destroy.


To destroy the Influence...

Quote :
"...they must have opponents, strong opponents, if they are to become strong. -
Thus we immoralists require the power of morality: our drive of self-preservation wants our opponents to retain their strength - it only wants to become master over them." [N., WTP, 361]

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"...he deemed it impossible to end this contradiction by destroying the one and completely unleashing the other power; then, the only thing remaining to him is to make such a large edifice of culture out of himself that both powers can live there, even if at different ends of it; between them are sheltered conciliatory central powers, with the dominating strength to settle, if need be, any quarrels that break out. Such a cultural edifice in the single individual will have the greatest similarity to the cultural architecture of whole eras and, by analogy, provide continuous instruction about them. For wherever the great architecture of culture developed, it was its task to force opposing forces into harmony through an overwhelming aggregation of the remaining, less incompatible powers, yet without suppressing or shackling them." [N., HATH, 276]

In general I would agree, but practically I wonder. How would one integrate the Islamic faith into a greater machinery without suppressing or shackling its people? How would one retain the Islamic faith under any circumstances without suppressing or shacking its people? There are enemies and then there are plagues.

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PostSubject: Re: War Mon Jun 30, 2014 12:04 pm

A possible key to this issue would be the nature of Turkey. This country in itself carries the contradiction of secularity and Islam, the latter which was pressed into subservience by Atatürk who by this feat has done the Turks enormous honor. Note that secular Turkey is at least geographically tied to Greek history.

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"In human life, you will find players of religion until the knowledge and proficiency in religion will be cleansed from all superstitions, and will be purified and perfected by the enlightenment of real science." [Atatürk, October 1927]

"Language is a bridge... Religon is a bridge... History is a bridge... We must delve into our roots and reconstruct what history has divided. We can't wait for them to approach us. We must reach out to them." [October 1933]

Despite Erdogans reformations, I think that the country retains great resilience in the face of its religion. The West-Turks likely carry a little too much Greekness in them to be fully subject to the religions slavish nature, so as to become apolitical and invisible, like most other muslim peoples. Turkey is essentially war-like, and I would say the Turks are rather Tymotic.

All this strictly in the context of Islam. Turkey is the least unhealthy nation under this religion, therefore, if the religion is to be engaged with the intention of giving it a place, Turkey should be taken as a signifier of the religion.





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PostSubject: Re: War Mon Jun 30, 2014 12:10 pm

Yet even to think about the religion in constructive terms too much leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth. It's healthier for me to recognize it as the antithesis to virtue that it is.

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PostSubject: Re: War Tue Jul 01, 2014 1:56 pm

Fixed Cross wrote:
Lyssa wrote:
FC wrote:
We should thank at least Islam for being such a persistent enemy to the west, but we should try to utterly crush it, just for the sake of having something lower to destroy.


To destroy the Influence...


In general I would agree, but practically I wonder. How would one integrate the Islamic faith into a greater machinery without suppressing or shackling its people? How would one retain the Islamic faith under any circumstances without suppressing or shacking its people? There are enemies and then there are plagues.



N. believed Xt. was like narcotics, useful to tame and civilize the barbarics and criminal rejects, the scum of the previous society. A docile subject is a useful subject.

Doesn't Islam produce submissives and eager mercenaries? The instant death penalties maybe could grant some benefit in quick cleansing and selecting out the morbid elements then and there, and keeping the other two semitic infections in check.

Something like that...

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PostSubject: Re: War Tue Jul 01, 2014 5:44 pm

That is one thing Islam is good at, swift and severe punishment. Inspiring fear. This thundergod aspect of Allah is very active. I have unfortunately experimented with its magic, it is meteorologically potent, I fear there is a strong Jupiter aspect.

The Hebrew magic is far too potent for me to judge. I remain convinced that this alchemy is of an order that deserves more respect, that, in its monolithic will, is an ancient titanic artifact against which the diversity oriented reverence characteristic of Indo European culture is defenseless without Apollo, who was not well understood by Hitler, who understood only the dark Zeus beyond the Abyss. But crossing the Abyss, Apollo was  lost and the dark Saturn, Marah the bitter sea, opene up. The trance of sorrow. Had Germany had a couple of Agrarians, Saturnians in its warcabinet, had they not invaded Russia but created Lebensraum in France, Poland and the Balkan - but that was not the goal they was after - that was rupture, unleashing of earthly forces against the power of the 'international community', the equalizing force, the numbers game.

There is an enormous hard line blood and soil oriented population in Greece. They are now typified as fascists, and they would be more valuable to their ancestors if they would return to the old cults. To revive the Gods and to build new temples. Moon cults, a new home. Now that I think this, yes. The victory is in allegiance with the moon. Islam and Judaism but also Vedic and Chinese astrology all orient on the moon. The West is evidently Sun based, but it must relate to the moon in order to be stable. The Romans, of course, had elaborate moon cults.

As soon as we would install official moon-based holidays, we would grow in vitality.

A design would development of a precise energetic objective. We could work with full/new moon conjunctions with Sun and Saturn, for example. Moon-Saturn is the most potent genetic aspect.



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PostSubject: Re: War Tue Jul 01, 2014 6:04 pm

The Moon - Saturn pattern means accumulation and eventually procreation. It is temporal, solid, fertile, rewarding.

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PostSubject: Re: War Tue Jul 01, 2014 6:08 pm

Hitler had Jupiter with Moon and Saturn solitary, high up in Leo, the autocrat/hero type, '8' in the enneagram. Moon with Jupiter is enthusiasm, magical social touch. The Mars/Venus conjunction is evidently powerful and also squares his Saturn. You compared Mars/Venus with Battle/Warrior, I think. If these are together, we get something quite unfathomable.

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PostSubject: Re: War Wed Jul 02, 2014 12:02 pm

Fixed Cross wrote:
That is one thing Islam is good at, swift and severe punishment. Inspiring fear.

The more I think about it, I see that another way to interpret Nietzsche's saying "destroy the influence" need not always be about giving a usefulness in the sense of sustaining it as it is, but destroying the influence is simply making it im-potent. Evola spoke of Islam as an outer and inner jihad [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]; and so if the outer manifestation can be subverted and stalled into a purely inner jihad, then Islam could be rendered into a harmless spiritual practice, and who cares which other-worldliness they submit to...   So maybe Islam just has to be rendered more de-materialized and hyper-spiritualized.
But that also has its own problems, since spiritualization makes the virus morph into a covert secularist meme and end result, you have something subversive like Sufism which is really militant Islam masquerading as mystical spirituality - today's Turkey is Sufist. All these nihilistic cults ultimately should only be seen from the perspective of evolutionary cleansing and usable tools in life's grander scheme.


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This thundergod aspect of Allah is very active.

Only if you believe the ka'aba was a meteorite stone...

I hope I have not misled you, but Roy Jackson's book 'Nietzsche and Islam' shows Mohammad and Islam for the farce that it was.

The Islam closer to Judaism view:

Satyr wrote:
Islam is closer to Judaism than it is to Christianity.

Like with the Jews the messiah has not come, as it has for the Christians; the man to save 'her' from the world, has not appeared.

If Christianity is the daughter, a Jew-Mother, birthed, who married a Greek to spawn children such as: Marxism, Anarchy, Humanism, Transhumanism and so on, the Islam is the still waiting maiden; a virgin resenting her mother, because she fears she may remain a spinster.
She produces effete males...who then must commentate for their condition with displays of hyper-masculinity. Their attitudes towards women shows this deep resentment, approaching a mania, wanting to hide females so as to not expose their own emasculation.

The Islam closer to Xt. view:

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I'll have to come back to more on this later.

The ancient I.E. cults were predominantly Jupiter worshipping. Thunder-centrism preceded Solarism.

(The Moon to Germanics was masculine btw.)

The Islamic crescent pertains to the moody outbursts than a thunder aspect to the symbolic Allah is what I think; Judaism coming to the fore after repression by 'peaceful' Xt.
The Muslim hypermasculinity corresponds to blind emotional aggression and cruelty, than the thunderwheel of Indra and Zeus rolling to create space.

Aryans are essentially space-creators,
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" In Genesis, one of Cain's characteristic features was his desire for boundaries. He wished to materialize his ownership. According to one midrash, if Cain killed Abel, it was because the latter did not want to respect a division of property that the two had agreed upon. Condemned to exile and having settled in the "land of Nod" (Genesis 4:16), Cain then makes the distinctively "pagan" choice of intensity versus duration, space versus time-eternity. By constructing a city, as we have seen, he was visibly seeking to lay the foundations of a kingdom or an empire - and this is where his "pride" resided. He transformed, as Eisenberg and Abecassis properly put it, "his temporal issue into a spatial one."

The universe is thus conceived in the Bible as a world with no spatial boundaries but limited in time, whereas in paganism it is considered to be limitless in time but a place where man has the duty to draw spatial boundaries. Frontiers established in space establish man as the master of the space he occupies. Boundaries in time, absolute caesuras, only show what distinguishes man from God. In the one case there are established roots and specificity, in the other, the vocation to universalism and deterritorialization. "Settlement within a country, attachment to a place, without which the world would become insignificant and hardly exist," writes Levinas again, "is the very scission of humanity into autochthones and foreigners."



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I have unfortunately experimented with its magic, it is meteorologically potent, I fear there is a strong Jupiter aspect.

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PostSubject: Re: War Wed Jul 02, 2014 12:03 pm

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The Moon - Saturn pattern means accumulation and eventually procreation. It is temporal, solid, fertile, rewarding.


Moon - need, instinct, memory, reflection - therefore a coping mechanism.
Saturn - discipline, methodism, grounds-up principalism, resilience - therefore an endurance mechanism.

When you have coping and endurance together, that's a Stoicism.

That is the the broad ideally speaking.

In other scenarios, moon - imagination, reflection, the subconscious and saturn - boundary, rigidity, stabilizer which could mean a stubborn stupidity... the blockage of the imaginative and introspective faculty leading to a terrible repression, becoming moody, hypersensitive, and dominating phobias, instinctual fears unable to reflect back on itself, and the inhibition of emotions and imaginative enthusiasm.


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Hitler had Jupiter with Moon and Saturn solitary, high up in Leo, the autocrat/hero type, '8' in the enneagram. Moon with Jupiter is enthusiasm, magical social touch. The Mars/Venus conjunction is evidently powerful and also squares his Saturn. You compared Mars/Venus with Battle/Warrior, I think. If these are together,  we get something quite unfathomable.


The 'fascinating' part is his neptune and pluto [two higher octaves] so close together as just 4 degree apart in gemini [lower uranus]...  Feel that. He's covering the three outer in one stroke...

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Fixed Cross wrote:
The Moon - Saturn pattern means accumulation and eventually procreation. It is temporal, solid, fertile, rewarding.


Moon - need, instinct, memory, reflection - therefore a coping mechanism.
Saturn - discipline, methodism, grounds-up principalism, resilience - therefore an endurance mechanism.

When you have coping and endurance together, that's a Stoicism.

In other scenarios, moon - imagination, reflection, the subconscious and saturn - boundary, rigidity, stabilizer which could mean a stubborn stupidity... the blockage of the imaginative and introspective faculty leading to a terrible repression, becoming moody, hypersensitive, and dominating phobias, instinctual fears unable to reflect back on itself, and the inhibition of emotions and imaginative enthusiasm.

Yes. What do you make of Saturn Sun, harmonic and conflicting?

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Hitler had Jupiter with Moon and Saturn solitary, high up in Leo, the autocrat/hero type, '8' in the enneagram. Moon with Jupiter is enthusiasm, magical social touch. The Mars/Venus conjunction is evidently powerful and also squares his Saturn. You compared Mars/Venus with Battle/Warrior, I think. If these are together,  we get something quite unfathomable.

The 'fascinating' part is his neptune and pluto [two higher octaves] so close together as just 4 degree apart in gemini [lower uranus]...  Feel that. He's covering the three outer in one stroke...

That was a powerful generation in the shaping of symbolic paradigms. Look at Tolkien. He has them half a degree apart.

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PostSubject: Re: War Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:54 pm

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I invented VO in order to avert death. That is perhaps why it is so elusive - it may simply not register with people who have no experience of pure necessity.

And that's why I urged you to read Heisman.

When you read it, you'll see how VO answers the question and the nihilistic logic of Heisman that he had to demonstrate with his own life.
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"The modern spirit's lack of discipline, dressed up in all sorts of moral fashions.- "objectivity" (lack of personality, lack of will, incapacity for "love")..." [N., WTP, 79]


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"Radical objectivity towards subjectivity would mean attempting honesty to the point of absurdity. To focus on rooting out the deepest sources of subjectivity amounts to seeking out those truths that are most destructive to subjectivity, i.e. self-interest. It is to make a specialty of truths that kill.

If I had no biases I would be dead, rather that sitting here right now, writing about them. To approach the most biasless state of death is to pursue a course of rational selfdestruction through a rigorous elimination of biases towards life. Yet to be value neutral would be to not be biased towards objectivity over subjectivity or vice versa. While objectivity is not inherently self-justified as an end in itself, objectivity could be a means. Objectivity could be a means, for example, of rational self-destruction." [Heisman, Suicide Note]



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"How far would one be willing to go in pursuit of scientific objectivity? Objectivity and survival are least compatible when objectivity becomes a means of life, subordinate to life — as opposed to life subordinated to objectivity. If the greatest objectivity implicates confronting the most subjective biases, this implicates confronting those truths that most conflict with the subjective will to live. By simply changing my values from life values to death values, and setting my trajectory for rational biological self-destruction, I am able to liberate myself from many of the biases that dominate the horizons of most people’s lives. By valuing certain scientific observations because they are destructive to my life, I am removing self-preservation factors that hinder objectivity. This is how I am in a position to hypothesize my own death.

So if objectivity is not justified as end, then objectivity can be a means of rational self-destruction through the overcoming of the bias towards life. Rational self-destruction through the overcoming of the bias towards life, in turn, can be a means of achieving objectivity. And this means: To will death as a means of willing truth and to will truth as a means of willing death." [Heisman, Suicide Note]


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A living thing cannot incorporate all physical possibilities into itself if it is to remain alive. Life, on some level, is an organization synthesis that contradicts, overcomes, or outsynthesizes the physical probabilities of its immediate environment that would otherwise lead to death. Just as the life processes of an individual bacteria cell could not exist if its cell walls were opened to all the physical possibilities of its outside environment..." [Heisman, Suicide Note]


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"It is a measure of the degree of strength of will to what extent one can do without meaning in things, to what extent one can endure to live in a meaningless world because one organizes a small portion of it oneself.
The philosophical objective outlook can therefore be a sign that will and strength are small. For strength organizes what is close and closest; "men of knowledge," who desire only to ascertain what is, are those who cannot fix anything as it ought to be.
Artists, an intermediary species: they at least fix an image of that which ought to be; they are productive, to the extent that they actually alter and transform; unlike men of knowledge, who leave everything as it is..." [N., WTP, 585]


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PostSubject: Re: War Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:55 pm

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Pleasure is excess.
Nature requires excess to thrive, and it must thrive if it is to be.
Agon is within thriving; between thriving and decline.
Mars/Agon battles to conquer Venus; excess of energy-current, pleasure.


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"MSC events... release maximal (M) stress (S) and cause strong phases of cooperation on numerous levels: the cooperation of the terrorists, cooperation of the rescuers, cooperation of the victims, their families and friends, the cooperation of the police and military units.
Stress physiology belongs to the organism’s cognitive systems and the cognitive result triggered off by the perception of a stressor is the binary reaction system ‘fight or flight’ – attack or retreat.
Under the influence of stress, noradrenaline, adrenaline and cortisol secretion is increased. This has the following effect; cardiac and circulatory functions are intensified, metabolism, immunity and sexual activity however are weakened. In this way all the organism’s energy reserves are channelled into the skeletal muscles in order optimise their motor abilities. They are used for fight or flight. In addition neural areas in charge of rapid perception and fast reaction are also strengthened. Stress physiology is thus a cognitive process by which a perception is transformed into a flow of energy.
Of even greater importance than the stress itself is the happy ending of the stress phase. It is here, that a second aspect of the cognitive character of stress manifests itself, and it is here, that the decision is made whether the whole process is healthy or morbid, since stress is normally associated with morbid behaviour.
It is above all this pathological and therapeutic aspect which has led to stress physiology being so well researched.
Morbid stress can lead to depression in humans for example.

There are three possible results of the fight: dominance, subdominance and submission. The victor is ‘dominant’ his catecholamine and cortisol levels quickly reach their normal levels after stress action. Experiments have demonstrated that after repeated successful stress actions the base values of noradrenaline, adrenaline and cortisol are even lower than they were before the stress success series. This means that the animals have become healthier through the success series. The cardiac and circulatory complex is able to adapt as the low cortisol levels bring healthy sleep and increased immunity. Here we find a phenomenon which we can call the ‘samurai effect’. The successful combatant finds ever increasing inner peace. His fighting abilities create something like an aura. This aura can be perceived by opponents and can result in duels being decided on the strength of this aura and the opponent signalling ‘I surrender’.

Stress cognition consists of two phases. During the first phase recognition of a stressor is changed into an energy flow in which organic energy is transformed into fight or flight activities. During the second phase stress activity is assessed.
Only if the individual arrives at a non-negative assessment of the stress action does it then enter the poststressal relaxation phase. This is typified by rapidly sinking catcholamine and cortisol values and is associated with a slightly improved general state of health and increase in testosterone production.
As testosterone is a sexual hormone the world looks a much nicer place in poststressal relaxation than it would have without the stress episode. Mars is the god of combat and victory and Venus the goddess of relaxation. Both, as we know, are well acquainted with each other." [Maximal Stress Co-operation Theory]


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The key is in the weight that is not directly controlled by his will, but indirectly. Somewhere in the chain of command are hiatuses in his control, "pressure points" that when pressed, disconnect weight from control. [


Body-memory...

Muhlmann wrote:

"Potential transformations of genetic programs depend on learning activity. If no learning activity takes place the genetic offers remain switched off and no genetic expression, as it is called, occurs. Genetic expression in the neuronal area is the development of the neuronal network which is dependent on activity.

This neuronal reinforcement by means of the repetition of activities can also be described as ‘body memory’ or ‘procedural’ memory. The ‘body memory’ becomes active when all bodily movements are automatic, e.g. when driving a car we don’t think about which foot operates which pedal or when playing the piano one does not think about what one’s fingers are doing and when soldiers doing their drill at the barracks don’t have to think about how to handle their weapons.

Enculturation means storage of cultural traits in the biological memory. It is possible for example to speak of the enculturation quotient of a riding a bicycle, driving a car, playing the piano, having a barbeque, eating spaghetti, playing football, tightrope walking, firing a machine gun and programing a computer.

The triggering of an emotion during a learning or perceptual process stimulates the so-called ‘episodic memory’. The episodic memory means that the individual not only remembers the object noticed but also the entire scene in which the object was noticed." [MSC]

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PostSubject: Re: War Thu Jul 10, 2014 6:43 pm

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Today, while I rushed to catch the metro at Zuidplein, I went through the check in gate and at the same moment some skinny, tall, unsymmetrical long-armed, dreadlock negro yelled ''fack die blanken!'' (fuck those Whites).


Do not forget - we are at war, constant.
This war is about idea(l)s at first, but it is war nonetheless.
This is a pre-direct physical war, a Trojan horse before the siege.
More poisonous ideals spreading, more *invaders* entering and breeding, more preperation in our ''disadvantage'' before the bloodshed.
The advantage of this modern society is the easy detection of the inferior within our specie.
For example, I just arrived 1 week ago in the Netherlands, after having been in Moscow for 1 month. The first thing I thought in mySelf was; ''so many filthy, fat, disgusting manimals are living here in contrast to Moscow.'' But the thing is, in Moscow and in Russia in general, the people earn less money combined with, for them, higher living expenses and thus have less choice to take the path of least resistance such as sitting on your ass all day, or eating and drinking what ever you like at the expense of your health, or being so empty-minded and dress-up like a attention-whoring cow, a proud degenerate thinking that changing his or her outer-appearance is the same as the change of your essence. Such persons expose themselves, their essence is constant ''change'', changing within the time/space they are living in. No resistance, the past has to be forgotten and ridiculed as being primitive or being unimportant, old-fashioned. They are sheltered minds, stunted. The past is only to be seen in museums or on documentaries; they do not see themselves as a continuation of their past, a constant summing of what they and those before their birth were. Genes are an encoded manifestation of the outer-appearance and mental condition. If the mind is unhealthy, the body is - if the circumstances allow.


The body seems healthy... take a look at their clothing, their hair style, the music they like, what they watch on television, the F-art they like - the second skin they put over their first reveals again their inferior minds. Don't let yourSelf be fooled.


This is a war, and this war is not of the last 100 years, this war is much bigger and manifested itself deep within the minds of our people, deep; I mean the memetic, social war is much older then 500 years. Deep means genetic, it is rooted within our specie due to centuries of societal selection, domestication and certain docile traits filtered within our gene-pools - the ideal Chrisitan, the perfect citizen, the loyal communist - the dogs.
This has to be rooted out, violently.
This specific war is about to finalize and the sheltered minds will be awakend..but of course their denial of reality will become their ending. Fight and adapt...or die, choose your allegiances and be prepared to fight and die for them, to secure them for your offspring and brothers in war. But if these allegiances are outside reality, die with your idealistic, inferior seed in your mind and testicles without having produced any worldy fruits.

Know the value of the earthly.
Learn how to get and prepare food, learn the basics of body treatment, learn fighting skills, learn that all is selfish, get to know Nature, that She does not care about you..adjust your mind to reality, that most of your moral conducts are socially constructed within human artificiality - thus within sheltered, unNatural living conditions. Morality and righteousness are relative to the time/space you live in.

When you buy your food, you do not know its past, you do not see any remnants of the slaughter, no physical reality of what the meat used to be before sliced into pieces, the taste and everything is artificial. But also, you do not know the animal. The hunt.
If you would have hunted an animal down yourself with your own energies, your selfmade weapons, your patience, dedication..would you, after having eaten some of it, just throw the rest away...? Get to know the value of living.


Marquis de Sade:

''There is no afterlife, so your conduct does not matter. Merely the child of local custom, morality is relative to culture and geography, and therefore fictive. Nature is our only ethical guide; humans are no more significant to Nature than insects. And since Nature uses matter from dead life forms to create new ones, crime, destruction, and death are necessary and pleasing to her. Therefore murder is good, and the mass murderer is the highest human type.''

Massacre is good if it serves your ego linked to the genetic and intellectual legacy you belong to as an individual within a specie. Not just physical murder, but memetic murder; kill the artificial ideals. Genes are the hardware, memes the software. Sometimes the hardware is superior to the software, sometimes the software is superior to the hardware... Know to discriminate between superior and inferior. Implant a healthy meme into the minds, one in correlation with their intellectual capacity and understanding. One can implant the ideal of ''freedom'' in an natural born slave's mind, and he will repeat this ideal as a parrot without actually understading this concept; such a meme for example, is superior over such genetic feces.

In this war, as is in most, only a minority will fight another minorty while the majority will accept any given authority imposed upon them.

They who are willing to fight for their existence simply take it - and killing those who and destroy that which stands in their way: that is how Natural law works; Nature does not care about your IQ, or about the inventions of a race if they do not put them on top of the pyramid.
Nature does not care about human rights. The only law is self-preservation, and to preserve Self is to preserve the specie you belong to, genetical and memetical.
Revive old traditions and create new ones.
Revive and create the dance, the poetry, the virile becoming.

Satyr:

''Females were always keepers of the tradition, defenders of the status quo...until it changed. then they become the defenders of the new status quo.
Female sexuality is best served by social stability.

This is why today it is females who are being seduced, mind-fucked, turned against their own people, their own blood.
What's the best way to get rid of a bloodline, a race, a tribe?
Very messy and costly.
Kill all its males or let time do it for you. Less messy and cheaper.
First seduce their females.
Their destiny is sealed then.

Women have always been the carriers, nurturers of traditions. They passed on to the children food preparation methods, spiritual practices, stories, culture.
Males created, females nurtured.

Now you see a shift.
How many women cook?
How many uphold their traditions, or even know them?

The shift is not towards liberation, but towards a new dominant male....the institution. They become career women, giving into the newly forming traditions of modernity.
They've shifted allegiances.
No liberty...they only found a new master.

The old traditions, associated with male tribes, are disappearing, and along with them the tribes and the bloodlines that created them.
Modern traditions are emerging, associated with institutions, abstractions, production/consuming - a new lifestyle of hedonistic over-consuming is becoming the paradigm all emulate.
To remain infantile is the new "cool".

Quantities over qualities, because quantities are accessible to all, if they work hard enough, whereas qualities are exclusionary.''


Know, that one should not fight those who directly will and already do - murder and rape our women and children and are being used to degenerate our minds; focus upon the enemy within or die with the external enemy.
Becareful with whom you associate, these days one cannot tell the difference between sincere and satire.




In the beginning was the Sword,
The destroyer held it up high and cleft through pages,
There they were, hovering through the air, voiceless words,
A book, written legislations and summed memories gathered throughout the ages,
But after the beginning, because in the beginning was the Sword...

The Sword created a new era of spoken poetry,
Poetry recited and danced upon, circling the life-tree,
The dances reflected the essence of the volks-spirit..and Nature,
The women gave birth to sword-wielding men of oath to none but blood,
Blood for blood so goes the law, oath to bloody legacy so goes the law.

In the beginning was the Sword,
And the Sword, so shall be the ending -
of each cycle uttering its last word..
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PostSubject: Re: War Thu Jul 10, 2014 8:31 pm

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There is no other way: war to the end of war.

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PostSubject: Re: War Sun Jul 13, 2014 3:50 pm




Atmospheric terrorism.

The atmosphere is the environment in which we live - it is an inter-connection with our well being.
We have the sensual atmosphere connected with our body; such as breathing, eating, sleeping, procreating -
we also have the mental atmosphere. Mental being our emotional and rational well being, which of course cannot be separated from the sensual.

Terrorism is the destruction of the living conditions of an organism, to inflict directly or indirectly damage upon the well being of the organisms.
Specific terrorist tactics are: 'toxic gasses', to disable permanently the organisms' senses or immediate annihilation by environmental destruction.
The organism will destroy itself through that which it cannot control, breathing - the forced and unconscious 'will to live' will be its very ending.
Other tactics are polluting and destroying its food and water supplies, destruction of certain territorial living areas such as a house, a whole village,
or a forrest surrounding the self-made residences upon which the population is dependent upon to continue living.
Also we have communicative terrorism; toxic clouds of ideas, ideals, information, concepts on 'right and wrong', spread by the media and educational system of a nation.

The last tactic mentioned is the specific terrorism we endure.
A toxic cloud of idea(l)s have spread across the Western races, not just the idea(l)s, but the overflow of useless information to make 'thinking' an activity for the one with potential, impossible to do.

The living conditions of the Western peoples have been atmospherical intoxicated by the implanting of unrealistic, infertile ideologies, manipulating and directing common human behaviour, altruistic abuse through 'guilt and repsonsibility-madness', poisoning the collective memory and other terroristic acts of mind-fucking violence - to make life impossible to continue in health and disarm the organism so it cannot resist any other threats...and to incite the destruction and chiefly, the Self-destruction of the organisms.

Feminization, equality, multiculturalism, interracial and homosexual propaganda, ancestral guilt, consumerism, the propagation of hedonism and infertile sex, and many other anti-life memes to inflict damage upon the genetic make-up of an entire race and generations after... all are acts of terrorism to make the living of the Western peoples infertile and impossible.

Continuously we are attacked, they change the public opinion to that of self-annihilation, life-denial, unrealistic expectations that will result in mere destruction.
The poisoning of the collective mind; and the masses will inhale the toxic cloud and repeat it as if it is their self-substance.

Thus the atmosphere is the fundamental of our personal and our species well being: inter-connected with each other.
The health of a nation does not consist of a few healthy individuals living amongst complete idiots,
but it is about the cumulative input of an entire nation led by specific few individuals on top of the pyramid.

There is an atmospheric unity, dependency and interconnectedness between the observer and observed - the leader and follower, the teacher and pupil, poet and thought, dancer and environment..
All has been distorted and inverted. Nature is artificial, the super-natural real (such as utopia, paradise, the near-absolute) is more real than life itself, the weak are strong, the strong are weak, females are men, men are females... etcetera.

This can only happen due to the mental isolation within the artificial, man made world - isolated from rough Nature, in quarantine within a sterile air bubble of toxic gasses.
Their equality consists of having an collective enemy - Nature.
"They live in an individualistic world, a world where everybody seeks immediate self-gratification, but they are uniform in their behaviour and needs.'' (~Satyr)
The atmosphere they create is like that of the dead. As I read in Sloterdijks book: ''The atmosphere of the presence of the dead is not the experience of 'death', but resistance against death.'' - The will to live.

A healthy atmosphere consists mainly of homogeneous genes, a shared meme, ancestral spirituality, and Natural living in harmony..
And of course.. confrontation, inequality - an intellect and understanding of knowing thy place and a clear understanding of who we are.

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""I count life itself as an instinct for growth, for duration, for amassing of force, for power: where the will to power is lacking there is decline. My assertion is that this will is lacking for all the highest values of humanity—that decline-values, nihilistic values, pursue dominion under the most hallowed names [Nietzsche II 1167–8].

The zero is the transmission element which integrates active and reactive impulses at the end of the great Platonic divorce between nature and culture. Zero is undifferentiable without being a unity, and everything is re-engaged through zero. Eternal recurrence— the most nihilistic thought—begins everything again, as history is re-energized through the nihilistic indifferentiation between zero enthusiasm and enthusiasm for zero. Passive nihilism is the zero of religion, whilst active nihilism is the religion of the zero. On the one hand is Schopenhauer’s metaphysical pessimism as ‘a European Buddhism’ [N II 767], on the other Nietzsche’s Dionysian pessimism as the exultation of dissolution. Within the order of bilateralized representation the ‘will to nothingness’ [N II 837, 863] is of profound ambivalence:

"‘either abolish your reverence or—your self!’ The latter would be nihilism; but would not the former also be—nihilism?—This is our question mark [Nietzsche II 212]."

Christianity, as Nietzsche insists over and over again in The Antichrist, is Judaism once again [noch einmal]. ‘Once again came the popular expectation of a Messiah into the foreground’ [N II 1202], he writes in section 40 of The Antichrist, and two pages later, getting a little carried away: ‘once again the priest-instinct of the Jews perpetrated the same great crime against history’ [N II 1204]. Against the tide of Teutonic antisemitism, with its project of Hellenizing, Aryanizing, and Wagnerizing Christ, Nietzsche is obsessive in his claim that Christianity is nothing except a recurrence of Jewish monotheism; which is not a mere repetition, but a return that both exacerbates and corrodes. ‘The Christian, this ultima ratio of the lie, is the Jew once again—three times even’ [N II 1206]. Europe is a population whose history has fallen prey to the zealots of the One; victim to the spreading ripple from the same catastrophe of monotheism which culturally vivisected the ancient Hebrew warrior tribes into the broken rabble of apostles and first Christians, huddling in wretched destitution beneath the shadow of the cross.

‘Once again’—recurrence—does not say that an identity is repeated, except when thought is devastated by the reciprocity of reason and the mono-logic of the same. Monotheism is not repeated, but nihilistically exacerbated by unilateral zero, and driven irresistibly into the death of God where it consummates its truth. There is a savage rigour to Nietzsche’s thinking here:

When Nietzsche’s loathing for Christianity reaches its crescendo it becomes an obsessive reiteration of the One. One, one, one, over and over again, monotono-theism [N II 1179] as Nietzsche calls it; a God whose speculative triad collapses everything into the one, the Father, Son, and Spirit, power, benevolence, and knowledge, the simplicity, equality, and ontological individuality of the soul, the entire universe crumpled up together by a phallic fanaticism for monolithic form. Christian trinitarianism is the demonstration that everything comes back to One unless it is zero. To set up the question of difference as a conflict between the one and the many is a massive strategic blunder—the Occident lost its way at this point—the real issue is not one or many, but many and zero. Nietzsche writes:

[T]he little rebellious movement, baptized in the name of Jesus of Nazareth, is the Jewish instinct once again, in other words, the priest- instinct, which no longer tolerates the priest as a reality, the invention of a yet more destitute form of existence, a yet more unreal vision of the world, than that which conditions the organization of a church. Christianity denies the church...[N II 1189].

Wherever there are walls I shall inscribe this eternal accusation against Christianity upon them—I can write in letters which make even the blind see...I call Christianity the one great curse, the one great instinct depravity, the one great instinct for revenge for which no expedient is sufficiently poisonous, secret, subterranean, petty—I call it the one immortal blemish of mankind...[N II 1235].

This blemish is not a scar, but a callus, because the association between God and man is a matter of industrial relations. Unitary being is the order of work. God who creates and conserves, man who toils; theology stinks of sweat. Long before Marx, it was monotheism that hallucinated the earth into a work-house.

History is industrial history, and it only has one goal, which is God. Nihilism is the loss of this goal, the nullification of man’s end, the reversion of all work to waste. It is in this sense that history is aborted by zero. There are those who in their eagerness for the continuation of effort take Nietzsche’s overman to be a new goal, a restoration of teleology, a task commensurable with the nihilation of history. Perhaps Nietzsche himself succumbs to such a temptation at times, after all, German Protestantism had poisoned his blood. It must nevertheless be insisted that the world of work perishes with the One, and that zero is an engine of war.

As soon as we imagine someone who is responsible for our being thus and thus, etc. (God, nature), and therefore attribute to him the intention that we should exist and be happy or wretched, we corrupt for ourselves the innocence of becoming. We then have someone who wants to achieve something through us and with us [N III 542].

When truth steps into the fight against the lies of millennia we shall have seisms, spasms of earthquake, a displacement of mountain and valley, the like of which has never been dreamed. The concept of politics then passes over totally into a war of the spirit, all power edifices of the old society are blasted into the air—they all rest upon the lie: there shall be wars as there have never been upon the earth. From myself onwards, for the first time, is there great politics on the earth [N II 1153].

Between war and industry is a unilateral difference; industry is different from war and war once again. This is why great politics is not just an episode of war, but the very tide of recurrence in its ferocity. Nothing is great but zero, and great politics is that for which the polis itself falls victim. Nietzsche is thus utterly incapable of consenting to the Aristotelian dictum, in his Politics, that ‘the art of war is a natural subdivision of the art of acquisition’ [Pol 16], associated with his assertion that ‘[t]ame animals have a better nature than wild ones’ [Pol 11]. In its uninhibited and extravagant root war does not serve the state. Even in his earliest writings Nietzsche is explicit that the order of dependence is quite to the contrary, and that the polis—along with its telic integration—is a consequence of pre-political militarism. In a text from the early 1870s called The Greek State Nietzsche notes that:

Whoever contemplates war and its uniformed possibility, the military [Soldatenstand], in relation to the previously outlined essence of the state, must come to the insight that through war and the military an image, or perhaps rather a blueprint of the state is set before our eyes. Here we see, as the most general effect of the tendency to war, an immediate separation and division of chaotic masses into military castes, upon which the edifice of the ‘warrior society’ raises itself, pyramidally, upon the lowest, broadest, slavish stratum. The unconscious purpose of the entire movement compels each individual under its yoke and generates even with heterogeneous natures a similar chemical transformation of their properties, until they are brought into purposive affinity [N III 284].

In extension war can appear to be oriented to appropriation, domination, and subordination, but intensively it develops according to tendencies of subtilization, infiltration, and dissolution. It is not that there is merely a desire for war, variously named by Nietzsche the ‘thirst for destruction’ [N III 821], ‘the drive to destroy, anarchism, nihilism’ [N III 708], and ‘will to nothingness’ [N II 900, III 738], rather that war in its intensive sense is desire itself, convulsive recurrence, unilateral zero.

The three great economic discourses of modernity can be summarized under the names Marx, Freud, Glausewitz. In each case what is sought is a rigorous comprehension of surplus, and in each case this is thought of primarily as success; industrial profit, psycho-sexual satisfaction, or military advantage. Sex and war can seem industrial, work and war libidinal, or business and love like war.  

Marx already sees that political economy has its irreducibly military features (‘the so-called primitive accumulation’), just as Freud sees that the psyche is a battle-field. Wars are produced and desired, industrial conflicts waged, commodities eroticized. The human animal seems to work, fuck, and fight, without accomplishing definition in terms of secure boundaries.

Bataille does not hesitate on this question: he locates war and industry within a general economy as the respective tendencies to useless and to productive expenditure. War is the free movement of solar flow across the earth, whilst industry is its inhibition, such that war is imbued with sacred characteristics; irrationality, horror, and the incendiary glory of ‘donation of self [le don de soi] [VII 237, 242, etc.]. This immediately contests the Leninist reduction of war to productivist motivations, siding instead with a (late-) Freudian account of base thanatropic drives. War is not the parasite of production, less still its instrument. War is rather the prisoner of production; its repressed energy source, overflow, and implicit catastrophe. Far from being the Frankenstein monster of production, war has a solar genealogy.

War is not meant here in a Clausewitzean sense, which is to say, as an instrument of policy. War in its radical sense is not an instrument of any kind, least of all a political one. The relation of war to the political is not (in reality) one of technical subordination, but rather, one of the uncircumscibed to the field of its potential circumscription. Only when it has been domesticated, and inhibited in its tropism to utter dissolution, can the sad dog we know as ‘war’ be subjected to policy; as the negative potency of the state. War escapes a Clausewitzean definition therefore, although this is not to dispute the very great pertinence of Clausewitz’s thought to its servile forms. Krieg is no doubt indelibly scarred by its Prussian serfdom, but this need not efface its wilder features; the cosmological nobility described by Herakleitus, and the lines of hydraulic intricacy traced by Sun Tzu. There is even an inescapable sense in which war is beautiful—especially when compared to the sordid idiocy of work—since even its abject forms spill over into something harsh, fluid, and untamed. War is a luxuriance of chances, which is quite consistent with its shattering ugliness as a loathesome vampire trailing hideous carnage, the swamp breeding ground of vermin and plague. Whatever its terrible allure, there is nothing more profoundly degrading than war. It alone is truly base.

The word ‘war’ derives all the crucial currents of its sense from that of being the drive to dissolution, much as Freud described it in the wake of the First World War. It is the oceanic wilderness which is always other to civilization, irrespective of the compromise formations that seem to unify them. War irrupts convulsively into the history of civilizations as a loss of control, partially managed, with varying degrees of adeptness, by competing political interests. Such interruption is undergone as a de-humanizing regression; the re-surfacing of an ineliminable allergy to integrity, for which ‘man’ is a circumscription. It is an incidental feature of Freud’s account that one sees even the armed contest of the European states as a massively inhibited lurch towards the free-flow fundamental violence of desire. Civilization (with its attendant militarism) is war subject to repression, and the energy of war is Thanatos; base hydraulics." [Nick Landa, The Thirst for Annihilation]

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"‘[A]t the instant where royal politics and intelligence alters, the feudal world no longer exists. Neither intelligence nor calculation is noble. It is not noble to calculate, not even to reflect, and no philosopher has been able to incarnate the essence of nobility’ [Bataille, X 318].

War is progressively disinvested by the voluptuary movement passing through the nobility, increasingly becoming an instrument of rational statecraft, calculatively manipulated by the sovereign. A process was underway that would lead eventually to the tightly regimented military machines of renaissance Europe, led by professional officers, and directed operationally in accordance with political pragmatics. Bataille considers this transition from warlord to prince to be crucial in de Rais’ case:

To the eyes of Gilles war is a game. But that view becomes less and less true: to the extent that it ceases to predominate even amongst the privileged. Increasingly, therefore, war becomes a general misfortune: at the same time it becomes the work of a great number. The general situation deteriorates: it becomes more complex, the misfortune even reaching the privileged, who become ever less avid for war, and for games, seeing in the end that the moment has come to lend space to problems of reason [X 315].

Order is not law but power, and power is aberration. For Nietzsche, for Freud, and then for Bataille, this is the background against which desire is to be thought. The mega-motor." [Landa, The Thirst for Annihilation]

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PostSubject: Re: War Mon Feb 02, 2015 1:07 pm

Baudrillard wrote:
"Deterrence precludes war - the archaic violence of expanding systems. Deterrence itself is the neutral, implosive violence of metastable systems or systems in involution. There is no longer a subject of deterrence, nor an adversary nor a strategy - it is a planetary structure of the annihilation of stakes. Atomic war, like the Trojan War, will not take place. The risk of nuclear annihilation only serves as a pretext, through the sophistication of weapons (a sophistication that surpasses any possible objective to such an extent that it is itself a symptom of nullity), for installing a universal security system, a universal lockup and control system whose deterrent effect is not at all aimed at an atomic clash (which was never in question, except without a doubt in the very initial stages of the cold war, when one still confused the nuclear apparatus with conventional war) but, rather, at the much greater probability of any real event, of anything that would be an event in the general system and upset its balance. The balance of terror is the terror of balance." [Simulacra and Simulation (“The Orbital and the  Nuclear”)]


Sloterdijk wrote:
"The world situation today has brought about a permanent military eye-contact between two cowardly-heroic hesitaters who both arm themselves unrestrainedly to show the other side that being cowardly will remain the only sensible stance —and that it will never be able to be anything more than a hesitater. The position of the hero remains unoccupied. The world will not see any more victors. This implies a revolutionarily new kind of duel because duelers in the past regarded each other as potential heroes. Today, everyone knows about the opponent's realistic and even indispensable cowardice. The world still lives on because East and West think of each other as cowardly, highly armed Schweiks who, after all the loud- mouthed boasting has been vented, have only one thing in mind, namely, to live on this planet a little longer. But since the military process on the global level has arrived at this nadir of an heroic-cowardly hesitation, the previous system of values has been completely unhinged. The tension, at least theoretically, has dissolved into an open equivalence of all temperaments. Heroism may be quite good, but hesitation is at least as good, and cowardice is perhaps even better. The old negative has become as positive as the old positive has become negative. On the summit of military escalation, then, has the real fight become superfluous? The military alone cannot answer this question, especially not in an age that everywhere has proclaimed the (illusory) primacy of politics over the military.

...Each side assumes that only a balance of progressive terror can secure so-called peace. This conviction is simultaneously realistic and absolutely paranoid; realistic because it is adapted to the interaction of paranoid systems; paranoid because in the long run and essen- tially, it is completely unrealistic. In this system of games it is thus realistic to be mistrustful to the point of a constant state of alert; at the same time, mistrust sustains the pressure to permanently continue the buildup of arms, more weapons could obviate mistrust. Modern politics has accustomed us to looking on a mas- sive folie a deux as the quintessence of realistic consciousness. The way in which two or more powers, in intricately thought-out interaction, drive each other crazy provides contemporary human beings with their model of reality. Those who ac- commodate themselves to this modern-day society, as it is, accommodate them- selves in the last instance to this paranoid realism. And because there is probably no one who, at least subliminally and in "clear moments," does not understand this, everyone is caught up in modern military cynicism —if they do not expressly and consciously resist it. Those who resist have to, today and probably for a good while longer, put up with being defamed as dreamers, as people who, although perhaps led by good intentions ("The Sermon on the Mount"), have nonetheless begun to flee from reality. But this is not true. The concept of "reality," like no other concept, is used falsely. We must first flee into reality out of the systema- tized paranoia of our everyday world.


...How can subjects of power, sick with mistrust but nonetheless realistic, break down their destructiveness and their projections of hostility as long as the interaction of these systems until now has proved that weakness in the face of the opponent has always been exploited as an opportunity to strike again? Each thinks of itself as an essen- tially defensive power and projects aggressive potentials onto the other. In such a structure, relaxation of tension is a priori impossible. Under the conditions of the mania for making enemies it remains "realistic" to stay tense and ready for battle. Neither power can show any weakness without provoking the other's strength. With never-ending exertion the opponents must work for a small terrain on which something like self-limitation becomes possible, that is, a weakening of the consciousness of being strong, a relaxing of the feeling of being inflexible. This tiny terrain of self-limitation is, to date, the only bridgehead of reason in the military-cynical process. Everything will depend on its growth. For human beings it was difficult enough to learn how to fight, and everything they so far have achieved they have done so as fighters who have accepted challenges and through them developed into themselves (see Toynbee's concept of "challenge"). But to learn how not to fight would be even more difficult because it would be something completely new. Future military history will be written on a completely new front-there, where the struggle to desist struggling will be carried out. The decisive blows will be those that are not struck. Under them our strategic subjectivities and our defensive identities will collapse." [Critique of Cynicism]
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PostSubject: Re: War Tue Jan 12, 2016 10:51 am

Walter Benjamin wrote:
"Future warfare will present a new face which will permanently replace soldierly qualities by those of sports; all action will lose its military character, and war will assume the countenance of record-setting." [Theories of German Fascism]

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PostSubject: Re: War Tue Jan 12, 2016 2:09 pm

Record competition for killing nignogs, mongrels and traitors - the war of the European sociopaths and no other White will dare to oppose, silently support.
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PostSubject: Re: War Sat May 21, 2016 12:56 pm

Kudos and Thymos.

Rene Girard wrote:
"There are several terms in Homer that dramatically illuminate the relationship of violence, desire, and divinity. The most useful, perhaps, in the context of our discussion is the substantive kudos. Kudos is best defined in terms of semidivine prestige, of mystical election attained by military victory. It was the reward sought by both Greek and Trojan, particularly in single combat.

In his Dictionary of Indo-European Institutions Benveniste translates kudos as "talisman of supremacy." It is the fascination of superior violence. Violence strikes men as at once seductive and terrifying; never as a simple means to an end, but as an epiphany. Violence tends to generate unanimity, either in its favor or against it. And violence promotes imbalance, tipping the scales of Destiny in one direction or another.

At the least success violence begins to snowball, becoming finally an irresistible avalanche. Those who possess kudos see their strength mul­ tiplied a hundredfold; those deprived of it discover that they are hope­ lessly handicapped. Kudos passes to the man who strikes the hardest­ the victor of the moment. It belongs to the man who manages to convince others, and who believes himself, that his violence is com­ pletely irresistible. The opposition must then exert itself to break the spell cast by this conviction and to wrest the kudos from the enemy's grasp.

When the rivalry becomes so intense that it destroys or disperses all its objects, it turns upon itself; kudos alone becomes the ultimate ob­ject. The word is sometimes translated "glory," but, as Benveniste has remarked, such a translation ignores the magico-religious aspects that are fundamental to the term. Although the modern world lacks a word for this phenomenon, the phenomenon itself is familiar. The spiritual effects of triumphant violence are readily apparent in sexual activity, in games of skill or chance, in athletic matches, and in contests and com­ petitions of all kinds. For the Greeks, the issue of violence carried to its extreme was divinity itself. The epithet kudros signifies an attitude of triumphant majesty, a demeanor characteristic of the gods. Man can enjoy this condition only fleetingly, and always at the expense of other men. To be a god is to possess kudos forever, to remain forever a master, unchallenged and unchallangeable. That is beyond the reach of mortal man.

It is the gods who confer kudos on men and the gods who take it away. The intermingling of human and divine in human conflicts is so obvious that even Benveniste acknowledges it here; in other cases where this mixture is present he tries to separate the human and the divine, even though their combination might offer a clue to the process of sacralization.

As long as the concept of kudos exists-that is, as long as there exists a prize, eminently desirable and thoroughly abstract, that men strive constantly to wrest from one another-there can be no transcendent orce capable of restoring peace. What we are witnessing in this strug­gle for kudos is the decomposition of the divine, brought about by violent reciprocity. When the tide of battle turns against them, Hom­er's warriors sometimes justify their retreat with remarks like "Today Zeus has chosen to bestow kudos on our enemies; perhaps tomorrow he will give it to us." This alternation of kudos is identical to the alterna­tions of tragedy. We may even wonder whether the division of the gods into two camps in the Illiad is not a late development. The original version may have involved a single god, the personitication of kudos, who oscillated from one camp to another depending on the course of battle.

There is no point in invoking a master-slave dialectic because the situation affords no stability of any sort, no synthetic resolution.

In the end the kudos means nothing. It is the prize of a temporary victory, an advantage no sooner won than challenged. It might be compared to those sporting trophies that are passed from winner to winner and that are really nothing but a title, an abstraction. To take the metaphor too seriously, however, would only lead to another mythical and ritualistic distortion. Far from subordinating religion to sport or play (as does Huizinga in Homo Ludem), we must subordi­ nate play to religion, and in particular to the sacrificial crisis. Play has a religious origin, to be sure, insofar as it reproduces certain aspects of the sacrificial crisis. The arbitrary nature of the prize makes it clear that the contest has no other objective than itself, but this contest is regulated in such a manner that, in principle at least, it can never degenerate into a brutal fight to the finish.

Because we see that the prize is worthless we tend to assume that the contest itself, no matter how perilous, is only a pastime, an event of limited interest to the protagonists, mere "sport."

Thymos, for instance, means soul, spirit, or anger like "the anger of Oedipus." At first glance thymos has nothing in common with kudos­ except for one trait, which we would normally consider altogether trivial: its alternating character. When a man possesses thymos he possesses an irresistible dynamism. When tbymos is withdrawn he is plunged into anguish and despair. Tbymos is derived from the verb thuein, which means to make smoke, to offer sacrifices; to act vio­ lently, to run wild.

The thymos comes and goes at the bidding of the thuein. In fact, kudos and thymos represent two different and partial aspects of the same problem. It is not some vulgar trophy or second-rate di"inity the adversaries are trying to wrest from each other's grasp, but their very souls, their vital force, their being. Each finds this being reflected in the other's violence, because their mimetic desires have converged on one and the same object.

Cyclothymia is the term psychiatrists use to designate the alternating presence and absence of thymos. Every case of cyclothymia is charac­terized by mimetic desire and a strong competitive drive. Psychiatrists make the mistake of regarding cyclothymia as an essentially individual phenomenon; this is a genuinely mythical misconception. The tragic cyclothymia would engulf an increasing number of indi­viduals if nothing intervened to stop it and would end by plunging the whole community into madness and dissolution. Thus we can easily understand the terrified response of the chorus, its frantic efforts to remain uninvolved and avoid the contamination of mimetic rivalry. The vertiginous oscillations of trag­edy can shake the firmest foundations and bring the strongest houses crashing to the ground." [Violence and the Sacred]

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"I had drunk so deeply of grief and innocently gambled so hard with fate and irony that a special kind of vision was gathering in my eyes, not entirely clear just yet. This was the same look people saw in your eyes when you have died for beauty and come to live accepting nature as life with no promise of paradise, and mad at people who couldn't see that." [Martin Prechtel, Secrets of the Talking Jaguar]


To do battle with giants is a source of pride for some.

This first requires an unconditional confrontation, "whole-hearted" engagement with the Scope of what the other Is, first.

An overcoming where one dares oneself to behold the other at their maximum… and not imposing one's own limitations as scope to dismiss away the other reductively, demands more, and yields more.

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