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PostSubject: Gender Fluidity / Transgender / Cis Wed Mar 19, 2014 12:25 pm

The Guardian is the newspaper I love to hate. In fact, despise is not too strong a word. Below is an article typical of the crap this newspaper puts out. I learnt for the first time of the term 'cisgender', defined in Wikipedia as:

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Cisgender and cissexual (often abbreviated to simply cis) describe related types of gender identity where an individual's experience of their own gender matches the sex they were assigned at birth.[1]

There are a number of derivatives of the terms in use, including cis male for "male assigned male at birth", cis female for "female assigned female at birth", analogically cis man and cis woman, as well as cissexism and cissexual assumption. In addition, certain scholars have begun to use the term cisnormativity, akin to the queer studies' heteronormativity.[3][4]

What this nonsense appears to say is that if you were born a biological male, and feel like a male, or born a biological female, and feel like a female, then you are also a member of a third gender group called 'cisgender'. I cannot see any justification for such a term existing beyond the needs of those who, because of some biological malfunction, fit into neither traditional gender groups and are looking for some nefarious way to undermine nature and so legitimize their existence, inevitably leading to claims of victim status and a request for resources and greater recognition.

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Trans people are asked offensive questions about their private lives that would never be asked of others. It's time to stop the talk of 'real' names and body parts


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You may not think you are one of these people, so I have a quick test. Were you raised in a society that assigns gender, as well as sex, at birth? Hint: the answer is yes. Does that society label gender nonconformity "weird"? Hint: unless you are Native American and were raised knowing about two-spirited people, the answer is also yes.

There seems to be no room here for a discussion of whether gender is the result of nature or nurture. It is taken as read that gender is assigned by some faceless bureaucracy, ie, setting the stage for it being an act of oppression, rather than merely observed and recorded, an act of nature over which we have little or no control.

Neither is there any clear discussion over the difference between sex and gender, if any such differences exist.

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In fact, since you were wondering, let's clear a few other things up. No, we weren't "born in the wrong body" and no we don't want a "sex change". These terms are created by cis society to make trans people more definable, less messy. But we're not easy to understand and it's not because we're trans – it's because we're people.

So if your born a male, but feel like a female, it doesn't necessarily follow that you want a female body?

Is there no longer any link between our biological natures and our self-image?

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I had a roundtable discussion with four other trans people, Leng, Frankie, Jai and CJ. Transition meant a completely different thing to each of us and not one of us is currently interested in genital surgery. We also all have and enjoy sex in a variety of ways. This diversity was not engineered. It occurred as naturally as diversity would at a table of cis people.
Having and enjoying sex is the common denominator in which all deviants can partake and feel part of the majority.

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Frankie, who identifies as trans feminine and whose biological sex is male, says the most common assumption people make about them (they use gender-neutral pronouns) can be blamed on society's age-old representation of the tragic, self-loathing trans woman. Because Frankie has a feminine gender expression and a penis, people assume they must hate themselves. Not only do people assume – they ask as much, as if Frankie is an accessible version of the onscreen stereotype, provided, again for the benefit of their unbridled curiosity.

Of course, Frankie would rather you didn't assume, or at least that you didn't ask. But since you probably will on both counts, they'll tell you they're fine about it, actually. They even use it. For actual sex and masturbation, can you believe? That is, after all, what it's there for.
Again there is this idea that genitals are merely there for play and sexual pleasure, that they have no deeper, longer term function or significance. It all seems a grotesque insult against nature.  

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If these transgender types are not sexual deviants, then why are there so many of them involved in pornography... especially in countries like Brazil?  Maybe phoneutria could give us the low down?
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PostSubject: Re: Gender Fluidity / Transgender / Cis Wed Mar 19, 2014 12:28 pm

Transgender is the next step towards asexuality.
Feminization is also part of this.

asexuality is an elimination of the male/female categories, reducing the sexual category of human (or species), to an abstraction....like love.

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PostSubject: Re: Gender Fluidity / Transgender / Cis Wed Mar 19, 2014 2:06 pm

There is no such thing as transforming one's gender. Within the human system, you can be whatever you like, be it a "man" or "woman". Since it is very much a materialistic culture, one must only appear to look like the other gender, then it is automatically considered to be of that gender, which supported by human rights ..etc

To undergo a surgical change, to invert his penis into a vagina is significant enough to be classified as a female. However, that is not actually a biologically functioning vagina, it merely resembles one, the image alone is enough.

He then is given the legal right to change his name and gender on his birth certificate allowing you identify the fickle value of human identity.

If we take a deeper look, on a chromosome level, he still have an x and y, thus making him a male. This information has to be ignored other wise it would contradict with the human system and his rights etc ..which ultimately makes everything relative and subjective and requires brainwashing and deception to valid it....
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PostSubject: Re: Gender Fluidity / Transgender / Cis Wed Mar 19, 2014 2:30 pm

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There is no such thing as transforming one's gender.

Well, not literally.

I thought you showed some favor towards transsexuals before? (don't read that as an attack) Maybe I remember wrong.

The whole LGBT movement seems to move out from the idea that there needs to be cooperation between genders, and that society must make those who make "difficult" gender choices, as comfortable as possible. He/she feels no loss in getting perpetually carried away in gender dialectics. There may be a move to relieve aggression in the affirmation of difference.
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PostSubject: Re: Gender Fluidity / Transgender / Cis Wed Mar 19, 2014 2:35 pm

From the Guardian's comment section.

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PostSubject: Re: Gender Fluidity / Transgender / Cis Wed Mar 19, 2014 2:54 pm

From what I understand, it doesn't even require to alter any body parts whatsoever.
Gender is by now anything you can think of.
Being a male, feeling like a woman and interested in males who feel like a man? - There probably is a gender designation for that.

In my view, all those designations were promoted in society to dissolve the two biological sexes. Being a male, who identifies as being a male who is interested in females who identify as being a female is rendered to be one gender among many. Nothing special about it.

The complete separation of body and mind. The vile body is improved with surgery or some future promise of trans-humanism and the more important aspect, the 'real' self, the mind, the soul, is free to merge with the collective, the hive mind. An unconscious hive mind.
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PostSubject: Re: Gender Fluidity / Transgender / Cis Wed Mar 19, 2014 3:13 pm

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There is no such thing as transforming one's gender.

Well, not literally.

I thought you showed some favor towards transsexuals before? (don't read that as an attack)  Maybe I remember wrong.


I would consider it literal, even by some possibility of advanced technology it still wouldn't be complete transformation, by the mere fact something is being transformed already makes it impossible.

I think there is a deeply rooted base that can be modified, the modification the more transformation, but the meaning has been lost upon modification. This moves into transhumanism where everything becomes even more anti male, anti female etc..



In previous posts I was highlighting occasional attraction towards  specific ones which are more of the "passing" nature. However, the truth is the truth, and I see no point in denying it for sexual attraction. The attraction is visual, as far as interaction, well I wouldn't know..because I know that look is very much an illusion using artificial products..

Transgenderism will eventually be bigger than LGB, but for now it attaches itself to those movements using it as a vehicle to maintain and establish itself, once gained enough power socially and otherwise, it'll detached itself and create a separate movement and grow bigger and stronger...


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PostSubject: Re: Gender Fluidity / Transgender / Cis Wed Mar 19, 2014 3:17 pm

No, look within human artifices, is an illusion...not look itself.

Grow, the fuck, up!!!

Man intervenes upon appearances, adding his own ideals.
Look, on its own, aesthetics outside human artifices, is not an illusion.

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PostSubject: Re: Gender Fluidity / Transgender / Cis Wed Mar 19, 2014 3:28 pm

that's obviously what i meant if you look at the context..
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PostSubject: Re: Gender Fluidity / Transgender / Cis Wed Mar 19, 2014 4:41 pm

Degenerates! How dare you do this to MY reality!
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PostSubject: Re: Gender Fluidity / Transgender / Cis Wed Mar 19, 2014 4:55 pm

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If these transgender types are not sexual deviants, then why are there so many of them involved in pornography... especially in countries like Brazil?  Maybe phoneutria could give us the low down?

You seem to know more about Brazil than I do, in certain categories.
I am not up to date on tracking what consenting adults do with their free time back in the home land.
I tend to focus my attention on subjects that concern me.

You did maybe start an interesting discussion, though.
When you talk about "deviant", you are making a comparison toward the norm.
So, what is the norm? Copulation involving a male and a female with the purpose of reproduction right?
What if you kiss the female whilst copulating? Is that deviant? What if you give her a little lick in any place of your choosing? What if you DARE to change position a bit? Is that deviant?
What if you add a finger?

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Either you have the most boring sex life since victorian times, or sir, you are a deviant.

The difference between you and a tranny is merely a matter of degree.
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PostSubject: Re: Gender Fluidity / Transgender / Cis Wed Mar 19, 2014 5:31 pm

Ever read the Kama Sutra? I think of that as the Pagan norm. Interjecting Christian ideals as a means of arugmentation. Modern so called deviance can be attributed to the relativistic form of Christianity. Talk about it under this kind of a framework. I do enjoy the sophisty though.  Wink 

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PostSubject: Re: Gender Fluidity / Transgender / Cis Wed Mar 19, 2014 7:15 pm

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So, what is the norm? Copulation involving a male and a female with the purpose of reproduction right?
What if you kiss the female whilst copulating? Is that deviant? What if you give her a little lick in any place of your choosing? What if you DARE to change position a bit? Is that deviant?
What if you add a finger?

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Either you have the most boring sex life since victorian times, or sir, you are a deviant.

The difference between you and a tranny is merely a matter of degree.

I can't remember what culture this was, it might have been Judaism. But the woman undresses and lays splayed on the bed, completely covered by a thin white sheet with a hole where her vagina is. The man enters the bed chamber naked, mounts her, does his thing and then leaves. Not a word is spoken. The woman can then get up and go about her business.

For some reason I feel a certain amount of respect for a people that can do this, putting duty and obligation above mindless pleasure. The modern mind would find it completely incomprehensible though.
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PostSubject: Re: Gender Fluidity / Transgender / Cis Wed Mar 19, 2014 8:10 pm

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I can't remember what culture this was, it might have been Judaism. But the woman undresses and lays splayed on the bed, completely covered by a thin white sheet with a hole where her vagina is. The man enters the bed chamber naked, mounts her, does his thing and then leaves. Not a word is spoken. The woman can then get up and go about her business.

For some reason I feel a certain amount of respect for a people that can do this, putting duty and obligation above mindless pleasure. The modern mind would find it completely incomprehensible though.

That practice seems detached from basic nature. Contrary to nature. A denial of nature. Unnatural. ---I'll dub it a fetish... an extreme one.

They must be perverts.
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I can't remember what culture this was, it might have been Judaism. But the woman undresses and lays splayed on the bed, completely covered by a thin white sheet with a hole where her vagina is. The man enters the bed chamber naked, mounts her, does his thing and then leaves. Not a word is spoken. The woman can then get up and go about her business.

For some reason I feel a certain amount of respect for a people that can do this, putting duty and obligation above mindless pleasure. The modern mind would find it completely incomprehensible though.

Do you also respect female genitalia mutilation? The clitoris is a useless vestigial organ to us highly evolved organisms, who put duty and obligation above mindless pleasure.
Those African tribes performing this procedure may be more advanced than we know after all!
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PostSubject: Re: Gender Fluidity / Transgender / Cis Thu Mar 20, 2014 12:46 pm

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Ever read the Kama Sutra? I think of that as the Pagan norm. Interjecting Christian ideals as a means of arugmentation. Modern so called deviance can be attributed to the relativistic form of Christianity. Talk about it under this kind of a framework. I do enjoy the sophisty though.  Wink 

Good point, kid.
What one finds disgusting, to the other is an ancestral practice.
In other words, you don't like it? Well, that's tough.
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PostSubject: Re: Gender Fluidity / Transgender / Cis Fri Mar 21, 2014 9:18 am

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Do you also respect female genitalia mutilation? The clitoris is a useless vestigial organ to us highly evolved organisms, who put duty and obligation above mindless pleasure.

Why the need for such an extreme example... should we remove our taste buds as well?

Are you so afraid of a world which doesn't elevate sexual pleasure to the defining principle in life?

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Maybe they are just not as decadent.
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Why the need for such an extreme example... should we remove our taste buds as well?

Apparently!

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Terrified.

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Maybe they are just not as decadent.

You say decadent as though it's a bad thing Wink
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Got your priorities wrong. People undergo surgery just to make that happen. This together with a handfull of supplements is basically what I eat:
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All apart of the cycle. These fucking Dionysus cults have been activated.

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Metaphysics of sex[edit]
In The Yoga of Power: Tantra, Shakti, and the Secret Way and also Eros and the Mysteries of Love: The Metaphysics of Sex, Evola described the practice of sexual magic as an asceticism of action that allows one to achieve transcendent states through physical action, primarily sex.

To explain the metaphysics of sex, Evola cites the original meaning of the word "orgy" as "the state of inspired exaltation that began the initiatory process in the ancient Greek mysteries. But when this exaltation of eros, itself akin to other experiences of a supersensual nature, becomes individualized as a longing that is only carnal, then it deteriorates and ends finally in the form constituted by mere "pleasure, or venereal lust" (The Metaphysics of Sex, p. 48).

In his sexual philosophy, Evola followed the esoteric Hindu and Buddhist schools in the teaching of retention of semen as a means of ontological energization and ultimate self-mastery. "Virya, or spiritual manhood, if lost or wasted results in death and if withheld and conserved leads to life" (ibid., p. 219). Evola considered Traditional chastity as signifying "control, limit, anti-titanic purity, overcoming of pride, and immaterial unshakability, rather than a moralistic and sexuophobic concept" (The Mystery of the Grail, p. 80).

Evola considered sex as being "the greatest magical force in nature", and he fiercely opposed homosexuality, viewing it as a dysfunctional undermining of the magnetic polarity and complementary nature of the two sexes, and thus of the possibility of erotic transcendence. "In a civilization where equality is the standard, where differences are not linked, where promiscuity is in favor, where the ancient idea of 'being true to oneself' means nothing anymore—in such a splintered and materialistic society, it is clear that this phenomenon of regression and homosexuality should be particularly welcome, and therefore it is no way a surprise to see the alarming increase in homosexuality and the 'third sex' in the latest 'democratic' period, or an increase in sex changes to an extent unparalleled in other eras" (The Metaphysics of Sex, p. 64).

Evola refers to Plotinus, who deemed homosexual loves to be shameful and abnormal, like diseases of degenerate persons "which do not arise from the essence of being and are not the outcome of the development thereof" (Enneads, III). The ancient Aryo-Zoroastrian view on homosexuality, as exemplified in the Vendidad, elicits Evola's full approval: sodomites were classed among the ranks of those criminals to be destroyed on the spot; "Four men can be put to death by any one without an order from the Dastur (high priest): the Nasu-burner (cannibal), the highwayman, the Sodomite, and the criminal taken in the deed" (Vendidad, 8:73-74[12]). With equal vehemence, Evola scorned modern pornography for being a "scanty source" of erotic experience, denouncing it as "dreadfully squalid not only in the facts and scenes described, but in its essence" (The Metaphysics of Sex, p. 4).

Pretty much spot on. Path of transcendence. Homosexuality can be attributed to inherited hypersexuality, explaining its prominance.
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PostSubject: Re: Gender Fluidity / Transgender / Cis Fri Mar 21, 2014 2:36 pm

I really like Evola, but he remains a side dish.

This is neither here nor there, but proud declarations of sexual preference aren't "cool" enough, betray a lack of style.
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PostSubject: Re: Gender Fluidity / Transgender / Cis Fri Mar 21, 2014 6:34 pm

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Got your priorities wrong.
My priorities are to enjoy life, whilst avoiding getting shit on my shoes.

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People undergo surgery just to make that happen.
Then they should have their eyes and ears removed as well, if they take so little pleasure from existence.

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This together with a handfull of supplements is basically what I eat:
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He is obviously a "hater" and what he is really saying is that one should abuse these people.
Maybe someone should track him down and threaten him...huh?

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He is obviously a "hater" and what he is really saying is that one should abuse these people.
Maybe someone should track him down and threaten him...huh?  

Who verifies what comes out of academic research...

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PostSubject: Re: Gender Fluidity / Transgender / Cis Tue Sep 23, 2014 7:18 pm

A fine-line between being an effete, non-challenging man, and a total nutcase with no focus and balance.

The Philosopher King hybrid...threading a line between the two.

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Let nature sort them out.
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PostSubject: Re: Gender Fluidity / Transgender / Cis Wed May 13, 2015 9:26 am

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Loud, self-serving turds venting on Vine.

Many of these people are fat and physically repulsive, hence getting involved in these subcultures provides a means of drawing attention to themselves. Others appear of indeterminate sexual identity, suggesting the root causes for this are genetic not social or environmental.



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PostSubject: Re: Gender Fluidity / Transgender / Cis Sat May 16, 2015 4:37 pm

Transsexual is a modern word and the concept is nothing new. Weininger described them as "contra-sexuals". You seem to a bit lacking in your understanding of hermaphrodism and gender morphology.
This article was Weininger's last opus. He committed suicide at age 23, and he wrote a document exploring the genetics of gender and the female mind.
I haven't read all of it yet but the first 6 or so chapters are very true so far.
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He was a genius of his time, and it's sad that his work was released 100 years ago yet modern scholars seem to be so ignorant about the spectrum of gender and the difference between male and female minds.

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Transgender is the next step towards asexuality.
Feminization is also part of this.

asexuality is an elimination of the male/female categories, reducing the sexual category of human (or species), to an abstraction....like love.
I wouldn't say it is the root cause though, only a byproduct of sexual strafication.

There are two forces at play here. The first force is a world that worships the gender binary and gender roles. This force reduces the transgender and forces them to conform to arbitrary rules.

The second force is the castration force, or modern feminism. This encourages sexual stratification, villianization of the male role and abuse and mistreatment of men. This force encourages the transgender to not conform to arbitrary rules, since the rules do not seem to yeild any profit for the transgender.

Therefore, transgender is a mix of forces, a result of the world as well as natural DNA forces. I am not sure where the asexuality trend started and who is to blame. It could partially be angry lesbians who are to blame, and abusive rapist men who cause women to go on the militant role to make the whole world miserable as some kind of vengeance campaign to castrate and make all males as loveless as possible.


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PostSubject: Re: Gender Fluidity / Transgender / Cis Sat May 16, 2015 4:41 pm

I would also like to add that modern transsexuals have become a bit retarded with their word policing. Most of them have had rough lives and they want to take out their frustrations in ridiculous ways. For example, many modern transsexuals have become quite ridiculous, taking offense to common terms like "getting a sex-change" or flipping out over simple fat-jokes. (Apparently saying one is "born-male" or getting a "sex-change" is offensive and innapropriate to the anal-retentive transgender. Of course they offer no replacement words. "gender reassignment surgery" is not polite either, and the word "transsexual" is innappropriate to use around them nowadays and "offensive".
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PostSubject: Re: Gender Fluidity / Transgender / Cis Sat May 16, 2015 8:14 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Gender Fluidity / Transgender / Cis Mon May 18, 2015 2:43 pm

There is a such thing as flux however I don't think everyone is a two-spirit or hermaphrodite. The concept of two-spirit requires also the concept of there being a such thing as a boy and girl to flux between...otherwise the word would be called one-spirit or zero-spirit. While noone is 100 percent woman or 100 percent heterosexual, these are approximations that usually work for the majority of the population. While I believe two-spirits should be called whatever pronouns they are feeling at the moment, it is ludicrous to deny the notion that there are such things as boys and girls (other wise, they would be zero-spirits, or complete asexuals.)
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