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PostSubject: Re: What is Beauty? Sat Nov 08, 2014 5:19 pm

Second that.

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PostSubject: Re: What is Beauty? Fri Nov 14, 2014 2:30 pm

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Maybe a clarification should be made between awe and aesthetic appreciation.

The rare can cause awe, even if it is ugly.

Why not a spontaneous appreciation of what is ugly?
Not to consider the ugly beautiful, but to appreciate the ugly "for its own sake,"  not for your own.

I don't think the body allows for a spontaneous appreciation of the ugly. It instinctively turns away and protects itself from getting too close. I.e. the immediate compulsion to emphasize with the physiology of an uglier person immediately raises the defenses of your own body. Talking to those that are not one's "kind" in a gracious and polite manner but without committing yourself to them.

Aesthetic appreciation follows from awe and it can quickly turn degenerate or in the case of certain religious types the initial awe is slowly made into something it never was to begin with by a nature that sublimates all its intelligence to serve the beautiful impression. It's almost like a bad feedback loop in which religious types devote all their intelligence to serving this impression which produces other impression/visions which in turn gives him further "proof" of his belief in the first impression. Which all reflects the nature of the observer, or rather how healthy his nature was to begin with. The "danger" is that when these types devote all their intelligence to serving the beautiful impression(often becoming celibate), they become incredibly clever and good at winning over those people that live off their "quick love" for beautiful impressions. The "chaste" visions of these religious types then reinterpret the meaning of a healthy body(and its purpose and place) in a "healthy" society. You gotta love all those Apollonian-esque statues of Christ that fill those "beautiful" Catholic cathedrals.... And all this reworking of beauty is brought to Northern European cultures(with their own unique polytheism) and the whole thing becomes one big clusterfuck.
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PostSubject: Re: What is Beauty? Fri Nov 14, 2014 2:40 pm

Quote :
Origin of the beautiful and ugly.'28-Biological value of the
beautiful and the ugly.- That which is instinctively repugnant to
us, aesthetically, is proved by mankind's longest experience to be
harmful, dangerous, worthy of suspicion: the suddenly vocal
aesthetic instinct (e.g., in disgust) contains a judgment. To this
extent the beautiful stands within the general category of the
biological values of what is useful, beneficent, life-enhancing-but
in such a way that a host of stimuli that are only distantly associated
with, and remind us only faintly of, useful things and states give
us the feeling of the beautiful, i.e., of the increase of the feeling
of power (-not merely things, therefore, but also the sensations
that accompany such things, or symbols of them).

Thus the beautiful and the ugly are recognized as relative
to our most fundamental values of preservation. It is senseless
to want to posit anything as beautiful or ugly apart from this. The
beautiful exists just as little as does the good, or the true. In every
case it is a question of the conditions of preservation of a certain
type of man: thus the herd man will experience the value feeling
of the beautiful in the presence of different things than will the
exceptional or over-man.

It is the perspective of the foreground, which concerns itself
only with immediate consequences, from which the value of the
beautiful (also of the good, also of the true) arises.

All instinctive judgments are shortsighted in regard to the
chain of consequences: they advise what is to be done immediately.
The understanding is essentially a brake upon immediate reactions
on the basis of instinctive judgments: it retards, it considers, it
looks further along the chain of consequences.

Judgments concerning beauty and ugliness are shortsighted
(-they are always opposed by the understanding-) but persuasive
in the highest degree; they appeal to our instincts where
they decide most quickly and pronounce their Yes and No before
the understanding can speak.

The most habitual affirmations of beauty excite and stimulate
each other; once the aesthetic drive is at work, a whole host of
other perfections, originating elsewhere, crystallize around "the
particular instance of beauty." It is not possible to remain objective,
or to suspend the interpretive, additive, interpolating, poetizing
power (-the latter is the forging of the chain of affirmations of
beauty). The sight of a "beautiful woman"-

Thus 1. the judgment of beauty is shortsighted, it sees only
the immediate consequences;

2. it lavishes upon the object that inspires it a magic conditioned
by the association of various beauty judgments-that are
quite alien to the nature of that object. To experience a thing as
beautiful means: to experience it necessarily wrongly-(which,
incidentally, is why marriage for love is, from the point of view of
society, the most unreasonable kind of marriage).
N - WTP 804

I don't think Nietzsche ever even calls man the more beautiful sex like schopenhauer either.... He only says somewhere to the effect that a mind can be more beautiful than the most beautiful body(and no reference to this being a man or woman's body) and that the "most beautiful type" is Caesar.  But it begs the question what type of bodies(or history of bodies) give rise to these "types"
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PostSubject: Re: What is Beauty? Fri Sep 23, 2016 7:38 am

Symmetry = order.
For an organism dependent on order, in a disordering cosmos, symmetry is beautiful, as it indicates potential in relation to its own.
Genetically inherited symmetry indicates past excess of energies - order in flux requires effort/energy to sustain itself - superior symmetry is evidence that excess of energies were available to attain higher order. Here order is manifested past, which immediate circumstances will manifest later in space/time.


Proportionality = symmetry incorporating functionality into its organization.
Survival, organizing organs in for specialized survival strategies imposes a structure of functionality.
Beauty here indicates potential for reproduction - proportionality of health, functionality within environment.


Mind = brain symmetry manifesting in personality.
Charm, wit, creativity, a calm demeanour, all expressions of an ordered brain, and of energy excess.
Brain symmetry is attractive as hidden potential - flexibility, ability to respond to the unexpected.


Sublime = all matter/energy is order.
A inspiring scene, an ephemeral symmetry, such as a bubble, light playing on water, are all proportions of symmetry full of potential.
The delicacy of a symmetrical phenomenon inspirational to an organism aware of its own vulnerability and ordering.
The play of patterns with the sense organs, particularly where no need/desire is present, is the objectification of potential.
Man, and only hu-man, with his broader deeper perceptual-event-horizon, and to attain the third level of cognition (third level of psychological intentional) can appreciate symmetry, order, and the potentials they imply, from a detached point of view.


In short, underlying all appreciation of symmetry, proportionality, existence (inter)acting is the appreciation of a congruity of patterns for patterns indicating potential: personal potential, sexual/reproductive potential, existential potential.
Another word for potential is probability.
Probability is the limitation of possibility, in other words ORDER.
Man is attracted to anything that promises higher probability, indicated higher probability, is evidence of higher probability.
Symmetry, proportionality, patterns (inter)acting in space/time.

Detachment being a sign of excess energies.
Nihilism is stuck there, due to excess energies provided to the organism, with minimal effort on its part.
Prolonging this artificially maintained condition leads to permanent, willful, detachment. The mind is absorbed by navel-gazing, narcissism, contemplating itself and existence from the vantage point of a god, quickly becoming childish: wanting to play forever, desperate to remain naive and innocent fore a lifetime, focused only on pleasure, or distraction, on fantasy; masturbating physically and mentally, emotionally. Setting up clever games to incorporate other children into fantasy play.

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PostSubject: Re: What is Beauty? Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:42 am

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PostSubject: Re: What is Beauty? Thu Jan 26, 2017 3:01 pm

Beauty is the physical (real/actual) manifestation of Superior (intelligent) breeding choices, compromised between males and females (a deal/transaction), that ultimately represents a risk (sex). Beauty is the result of placing good and successful bets, Trust, between men and women and forming a cooperation (Family/Aristocracy/Alliances/Society). Those who continue to make erroneous, bad bets, loss out, and manifest as ugliness and repugnance.
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PostSubject: Re: What is Beauty? Mon Jan 30, 2017 12:03 pm

The danger of trend-setting rationalism is over-exactness and having to fight off false body-shaming, as was the case with Canadian Ms. World Siera Bearchell, accused of being fat, and 'XL' as unfit. From here, then naturally begins, the 'beauty is more than…', and ends in the imbalance of postmodern relativism…

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PostSubject: Re: What is Beauty? Mon Jan 30, 2017 12:09 pm

Saw her yesterday on the Miss universe contest...and she was stunning.
Compared to the other girls she looked like a racehorse.

She's got meat in all the right places.


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PostSubject: Re: What is Beauty? Mon Jan 30, 2017 3:21 pm

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The danger of trend-setting rationalism is over-exactness and having to fight off false body-shaming, as was the case with Canadian Ms. World Siera Bearchell, accused of being fat, and 'XL' as unfit. From here, then naturally begins, the 'beauty is more than…', and ends in the imbalance of postmodern relativism…

Trying to chisel away at a woman's body until it's "perfect" is a fool's errand. Exactness will always be fleeting. The whole beauty industry is sick and a sign of the times.
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PostSubject: Re: What is Beauty? Mon Jan 30, 2017 4:38 pm

A fine line between order, expressed as symmetry, and proportionality, expressed by function.

The ordering organism must survive within a fluctuating cosmos, and therefore it makes compromises for the sake of functionality.
This sacrifice is the compromise made to change, and the presence of chaos.  

If it were a matter of achieving perfect order, or the absolute, an organism, like matter would settles on a fluid sphere, but then it would be as fragile and ephemeral as a soap bubble.
Functionality is the compromises made to Flux.
Therefore beauty is characterized by symmetry incorporating functionality as proportionality.

This is demonstrated by the fitness triggers of body/waist proportions, as well as the ration between fat, and mass, which in women, in particular, may trigger a end to the menstrual cycle or difficulties ion conception.
It's, as if, nature has provided a safety-switch making fertility more difficult as the proportionality does outside certain functional relationships.

With males this does not seem to be the case because the proportionality switch is the female's sexual choice, her judgment, based on her genetic attractions, to certain male body proportions, and may also include, depending no the sophistication of the female, a appreciation of the intangible symmetry of brain, expressed through mind.
The male must be both physically and mentally/psychologically symmetrical, and proportional.
This symmetry/proportion is displayed in his movement, and flexibility of mind, his creativity, also expressed in humour and by an overall demeanour, a consistent state of mind.

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PostSubject: Re: What is Beauty? Mon Jan 30, 2017 5:02 pm

Order is a relationships of patterns with each other and in relation to an infinitely receding central point.
The balance between patterns, as the relationship of rhythm with aggregate energy will find an infinitely receding point in space time as the receding centre of this relationship, or its focal point, where the relative patterns achieve a balance of distance and force - attraction/repulsion finding a near perfect, fluctuating, equilibrium.

This receding central point in space/time, is the singularity's one/point, and the patterns relating create an attraction/repulsion field of effect, which is the emergent singularity's perceptual-event-horizon.
To an external observer, one not part of the relationship, the effect will be that of a boundary, taking shape, as an extension of the congruent pattern's relating and their combined field of effect.
This is what we call form.

Geometry is the study of these relationships and their noetic possibilities, within two, three, four, dimensional space - or within a noetic space, that excludes possibilities (dimensions) to create clear and simple relationships of  theoretical/noetic 'points' in space/time and how they relate to each other, drawing 'lines' representing their shortest distance of possibility.

Shape is a noetic construct representing the observer's relationship to the (inter)active patterns. Their relationship extending as a field of attraction/repulsion representation their relating, congruent, aggregate energy, interpreted as a boundary encompassing space/time, or possibilities, by excluding others.
With geometry the relationships are abstracted into mental models, with clear and distinct points and lines.
Fluidity is imploded into static form, and then manipulated to exclude one, two, or more dimensions, giving us two-dimensional shapes (square, triangle, circle...) or three-dimensional shapes (cube, sphere, prism....)

Organically the absence of absolutes means these relationships must take form within a fluid, (inter)active cosmos, achieving a higher or lower degree of symmetry, and necessarily incorporating functionality as a compromise made to Flux.
Attraction is drawn to symmetry of body parts, of organs, and how they relate, their functionality within a particular environment, and in relation to an evolved method of self-preservation, and growth, is what is appreciate as organic proportions, exhibiting fitness and health and most of all resistance to parasites and dis-eases.
This is called beauty.
Any degree of symmetry, above the average, displays a inherited resistance to cosmic flux, and proportionality reveals reproductive and resistance, to it, potential.
Potentials being an expression of encompassing space/time possibility, indicated by the field of attraction/repulsion - its field of effect  

An organism, dependent on order, is attracted to superior degrees of order, and potentials.

The physical and the metaphysical merge.

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PostSubject: Re: What is Beauty? Mon Jan 30, 2017 6:48 pm

Intelligence evolves in relation to physical symmetry/proportionality, as a compensating, and accentuating development of the nervous system, particularly the brain, that focuses the organisms energies to multiply its aggregate force.
Intelligent is a multiplier of already present symmetry, other accentuating what already exists, or compensating for a deficiency, in relation to others.

In this context proportionality takes the form of balance, displayed as graceful movement, control of the body, a controlled demeanour that may express itself in social organisms as self-confidence, tolerance, easy going attitude, mental flexibility, humour, an innate ability to read and to adjust self and other to the circumstances, and all participating in what we call charisma.
Proportionality of mind expressing a proportionality of reactivity to stimuli - absence of hyperbole, controlled and measured , able to adapt to fluid circumstances.

Putting the other at ease, gaining trust, being amicable are all part of reading (empathy) and controlling one's reaction to other (sympathy) - harmonizing self to other (mirroring).
The other perceives this as himself reflected back, producing the sense of ease this recognition of self in other produces.
Prolonged contact, such as with long-term friendships and erotic relationships, the effect is one of character harmonization.

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PostSubject: Re: What is Beauty? Sat Apr 01, 2017 8:56 am

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What is more beautiful than something which requires much skill, talent, practice and grace? Beauty is the danger within the demonstration - all the unseen danger which has yet to come and could, or the danger which had been conquered before in order that the skill may manifest. Do we feel horrified when we watch a man cross a rope across two skyscrapers because he may fall, or that we insert ourselves into his position and from our lack of skill imagine that we may die? (Do people wail during the rapture for the presence of the Lord or for what is to come next?) Do we see the talent of a man's skillful placing of knives between his fingers because of what actually happens or the risk of that which might happen? Beauty, then, is a demonstration of (the often maligned as being "brutish") power. It is horrific because of its beauty, that we fail to live up to. Even the Bible, if seen from a non-theist manner, demonstrates God like this - that He is terrific in His Goodness and that He is Beautiful, so much so that to behold Him would cause you to tremble in fear and humility. Have you ever experienced something astoundingly beautiful, some skillful, nigh-supernatural and otherworldly phenomenon, judging it for that which it balances with grace, and then it suddenly seeks to balance you - and then horror overcome you as a result? For example, watching a fighter jet wreak destruction on an enemy which you have the deepest pits of hatred for, with its automatic canon. It is measuring out your justice and you suddenly develop a heavy appreciation for it. But, when it turns against you - would that not be horrific? Another example is if you are watching a beautiful woman and only wish to behold her beauty without being seen - only for her to suddenly turn and lay her eyes upon you. As an even more adolescent version, when you were a child in class and watched as the teacher utilized power to call upon students to answer questions - is there not a beauty and grace to it? A momentary vacuum of lukewarmness, where hierarchy manifests. You sigh in relief that you are not called upon at first, but then you are and experience the terror? In this way, beauty is power.

So, then, if beauty is power - how can this be just? Cannot power be abused? It often is, as someone oversteps their bounds and begins to take pride in something they do not deserve to. They cease to act with grace and then cause the resentment of others.* Balance and sensitivity to the world, to avoid such mishaps, is necessary.



*off topic: Is it the case the only the Abrahamist religions conceive of a world which is infinite, or accompanied by a plentiful, hot/cold afterlife? The irony being that God seeks to separate wheat from chaff, and He sets chaff to eternal hell fire and good to eternal heaven - but still says there are hierarchies within each. That is, this concern is only ethically valid in a world which is not zero-sum. Instead of saying the world is zero-sum, they say the afterlife is... The bible saying God put Eternity in our hearts... The "real fruits" of life are afterward, where it is zero-sum.
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PostSubject: Re: What is Beauty? Sat Apr 01, 2017 9:26 am

The way I see it is as the appreciation of potential, within order.

What do we find beautiful?
The symmetrical, as potential higher order.
The proportional, as potential physical reproduction.
The inspirational, as unknown potential, undiscovered potential, as possibility.
We find music beautiful, as sonar symmetry, expressing our own becoming.
We find charm beautiful as higher intellectual order; the promise of something as yet unknown.

Whatever expands or adds to our own possibilities, as potential becoming, is what is beautiful.





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PostSubject: Beauty Yesterday at 5:15 pm

Order, in the absolute sense, is another way of describing the absent-absolute.
Chaos is essential for the emergence of life.
We are always speaking of a degree of order, or an approach to the absolute, to the idea(l) of order.
Pagans are in the in-between absolute chaos and absolute order, the poles that engulf Nihilists, trapping them in a binary either/or dualistic paradigm, constructed by words/symbols that have to be taken literally - absolutely, not representationally or as degrees.
Another way to describe it is: perfect, whole, one, omniscient, omnipotent, immutable, indivisible etc.
We, as life are none of those things.
But we are ordering, nevertheless.
We value order, measure it, relate to it, deify it, appreciate it, admire it. because we live in a cosmos where chaos, randomness, is increasing.

As four dimensional life-forms we can conceptualize the absolute, as a singularity - a single point, in space/time that would encompass all possibilities as a single certain probability.
We can also conceptualize it as a perfect, complete, symmetrical, uniform, whole, dot - a spherical indivisible, eternal, immutable, point.
This is how we conceptualize it, because it is non-existent outside our mind.

But beauty is also about functionality, represented by organ or body-part proportions.
It emerges in a cosmos of Flux, so perfection is impossible, and would mean an end, so it is also, for us Pagans, undesirable.
How does this manifest in reality but as form with a specific specialized functionality.
We corporeal becomings are attracted to the roundness of a female form, but she must also display functionality in a world that is void of absolutes.
Sexual functionality is displayed as skin & hair texture, hip to waist ratio and so on.
This signals potential.
Reproductive potential. We have evolved to appreciate it as attractive, because ti indicates an increase on reproductive fitness, fertility, health.  

Why do different species consider different proportions attractive?
Because they evolved a different specialized form of survival and reproduction, and so this imposes upon them a different organ functionality and therefore a different proportionality.
Chaos or Flux, imposes upon order the needs of functionality - order, symmetry, is sacrificed to the necessity of functionality.
An organism is beautiful when its symmetry and proportionality give it the closest to the idea(l), within the context of its evolved specialized forms of survival, within world, and reproduction.
A beautiful horse is one that has the shape and proportions to make it an ideal runner, and grazer, because running and grazing, and whatever other specialized methods it has evolved, is essential to its survival...and its survival indicated increased potentials/probabilities, and is not an end in itself, as many degenerates like to think.

Now transfer this potential to a non-sexual context.
Why are we inspired, by a natural panorama?
Why do you call it beautiful?
Because it promises potential, as well.
We find spatial expanses beautiful, because it is potential.
Space = possibilities, and order, is probability.
Space is possibility with no limitations....probability is potential within limitations.

Beauty is an appreciation of possibility and/or probability, depending on our psychology.
If experiences have failed to satisfy us, then possibility is more attractive because it implies a potential not yet experienced - the unknown.
This excites us with hope.
If, on the other hand, our experiences have been satisfying then probability is more attractive - the tried and tested.

Youth is attracted to limitless possibilities, because of its seemingly endless supply of energies, and its erroneous sense of indestructibility.
It has also not made any investments, yet....so it must remain open to risks and opportunities.
As age increases probability is more attractive - movement towards more conservative attitudes.

The pattern is...it is not something that has pattern.
The pattern is what we call order, and we experience as energy/matter.
How patterns relate is what we call meaning, and/or understanding - patterns within patterns.
The more sophisticated the mind the more discriminating it becomes - it perceives details in what for a dullard appears uniform.
Patterns relating to each other, is what we interpret, we evaluate, as potential/possibility.
We are constantly evaluating, judging, patterns (inter)acting, or relating.

Chaos, is unattractive because it has no possibility we can evaluate.
We call it ugly, and are terrifying by randomness, because of this.

We use  the word 'beauty' in many different ways - as we do many other words, and this is what creates confusion.
If we use it precisely, and not metaphorically, it always refers to symmetry and proportionality....like with music, opening our minds to possibility/probability.
We are swept away by it, towards different possibilities - it ignites our imagination, expands our field of potentials.
This is why music affects people differently, and why different musical styles and songs are preferred by different people.  
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Think of it as a magnetic field around the body.
It's the excess attraction/repulsion forces produced by the different patterns participating in what you call your body/mind.
Your metabolic rate is also a measure of this.
This aura harmonizes with specific musical patterns; is affected by different tempos, rhythms, feeling in-harmony or out of harmony with them.
Harmonious music we feel as pleasing, and call it beautiful, because it is an expansion, extension of our aura beyond the body - increased possibility/probability, and because our body/mind is affected by it, through the energy field of attraction/repulsion.

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PostSubject: Re: What is Beauty? Yesterday at 5:42 pm

We also do not use language properly.
Most of us, due to convention, and habituation, use the same words, in the same ways, sometimes inappropriately, sometimes metaphorically.

Take the word 'strong'.
It can be used in so many different contexts that the meaning can be convoluted by douche-bags and hypocrites, to ridicule the very real phenomenon of physical and mental strength.
They use the same illiterate, dishonest, techniques when talking about 'intelligence', 'beauty', or any word that comes close to a soft-spot.
Our vocabulary has become so poor, in the west, among English speakers, that attempting to communicate complex concepts to a dishonest, prejudiced by his need to remain safe, retard, is next to impossible.
Like talking to a child that simply does not want to work, but only wants to play...is not interested in anything that will distract it from its fantasy games.  
Has no talent for words, and does not want to learn how to use words, because this might limit its game-play.

The Greeks defined, and described beauty using geometrical and mathematical codes....and then they  transferred their insights into their art.
We know what beauty is, in the context of human beings, when we know that the designation 'human' is a species designation, and that a species designation is one of reproduction and nothing more.
So, when we speak of beauty in relation to humans, we mean it in a reproductive context...and this also applies to a beautiful mind, wit, humor, disposition, imagination - creativity being another form of reproduction.

Why do we admire a creative mind, and call it beautiful?
Because it creates and by creating it offers us potentials, possibilities and probabilities.
Because it fertilizes our mind with ideas that can germinate and be born as something new.

We always consider beautiful what offers us, based on our judgment, the most potential in relation to our goals, conscious or not, or in relation to our genetically evolved goals, conscious or not.
Our awareness is not necessary.
If anything it is detrimental to the process...as the dozens of unmarried, childless philosophers, throughout history, can attest to.

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PostSubject: Re: What is Beauty? Today at 7:15 am

That would also explain why the Jays like ugliness in art so much, it helps them along with their objective of dismantling the European elements in the West.

Beauty lies in the eye of the beholder after all but the beholder is not free and there is no such thing as a universal beholder or that all beholders are equal individual when it comes to seeing reality for what it is or what their destiny, their developmental trajectory, is about.
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PostSubject: Re: What is Beauty? Today at 7:27 am

Most use words expressing positive/negative value judgments to describe how a phenomenon makes them feel.
The internalize the external, and mistake the reaction for the activity that produced it - they subjectify it, to make it intimate, malleable.
Consider what degenerates do with copulation.
They regress to an animal level of experiences, connecting the activity with how it makes them feel - with pleasure.
Why it gives them pleasure, what function does the activity serve, is rejected.
An animal does not know why it has to copulate. It surrenders to the need, the desire,. the frenzy.
All an animal knows is what it feels, and how to gratify it.

This is why I call Moderns Degenerates, as representatives of the Last Man, the Nihilist.
I used to call them retarded for the same reason...but I find degeneration to be more appropriate because they regress, calling it progress, to a state of infancy, an animal state they then deny.
Retardation denotes a stunting of development, which is also true, but with a minority of Moderns maturity is achieved and then regressed.
We can also use 'regression' to express the state them call idea(l) in relation to their potential - their possibilities/probabilities, as these have been inherited genetically.

Regression could be full-blown, in all context, or it is usually selective, compartmentalized.
Consider their reaction to sex and race.
They've inherited eyes and senses in general, to discriminate, to distinguish the slightest divergence from a norm, to differentiate similar from different; they perceive an obvious aesthetic difference.
But they react to it, due to memetic influences, cultural norms, by blinding themselves to what they cannot help but see, or by dismissing it as illusory, or superficial.
If their 'truth' cannot be validated, then all truths must be made into lies.
We evolved the means to perceive the slightest patterns, so as to gain an advantage over those that do not and cannot perceive them, and these degenerates blind themselves noetically, because of an emotional directive, based mostly on their own traumatic experiences and their social anxieties and their existential horrors.
They castrate and lobotomize themselves psychologically, mentally.

These degenerates know what is beautiful, in regards to human form, but they cannot accept it because of the implications upon them, and their life choices and their investments and the psychological settlements with reality they've had to make - they call this their 'growth' their maturation.
They automatically react and appreciate beauty, but they cannot bring themselves to accept it, because of what this would imply about them and their circumstances.
They theoretically, ideologically reduce all to an idea(l), a theory, an abstraction, a social construct, so as to cope with the implications of some concepts being rooted in past/nature, where they can do nothing about it.
Some selectively reject sensual input, and others reject it all, so as to remain consistent with their own nihilism.
Self-Contradiction is a norm among nihilists.

I remember a moron from ILP, can't recall which one of the women it was, who claimed that sex was beautiful and not aggressive, as I had described it, and all deserved love, and that appearances are superficial and blah, blah blah. The entire litany of post-modern filth was regurgitated and vomited out, and then I asked her:
"If this is so, then to remain true to your on ideals you should find a bum at the nearest street corner, take him home, and fuck him, or pleasure him, give him love, make love to him. Be proactive with your principles."

Nihilism is so dishonest and intentionally naive, and retarded and degenerate, that it cannot live-up to its own principles - it cannot follow through with its own 'logic' of inversions, of ideological detachments from the apparent.
This is to be expected, because the world does not give a shit about how humans perceive it, or what methods they use to cope with it.
The world does not care if humans decided there are no races, or no differences between males and females, other than superficial, and physical ones....nor does it care if humans decided appearances are superficial, beauty is in the 'eye of the beholder', 'all deserve love' and all that Abrahamic, Marxist crap.
The clever Nihilists are hypocrites.
They say one thing, think another, and do a third.
If they did not, they would die.
Nihilism is how they cope with the world psychologically, while physically they contradict their own ideologies and do what must be done to survive and to flourish.

How would a hypocrite deal with his arousal at the sight of a developed under-age female?
He automatically reacts, as he has evolved to react to particular stimuli, indicating fertility and health, but the meme, the culture prohibits such truths, so he feels shame, or he lies to himself, pretending it never happened.
How does a hypocrite deal with his own ianbiltiy to find a fertile, healthy female?
He lies to himself, telling himself that beauty is in the 'eye of the beholder', confusing how someone makes them feel, with how they are.
How does a degenerate deal with an inferior child, because she chose to put her ideology to rpactice and amrry a black man?
She accuses the world of prejudices, to explain why her child is under-performing academically and over-performing athletically. She demands that the system accommodate her choice, by mitigating between her and the negative consequences, so that her own judgment, and her own choices are never doubted, or judged.

And, if copulation is not aggressive, is not an act of evasive, intrusion into the private space of another being, necessitating the evolution of particular psychological, and physical mechanisms, then why are females so distressed by rape?
Nihilists cannot even maintain a cohesiveness in their own ideologies, because its a chaotic self-contradicting hodge-podge of adopted ideals, that serve only the purpose of comforting therm, and offering them a sense of belonging to a unity.
They can't even define or justify their own beliefs, because they are parroted, regurgitated, like a poem, adopted because ti hides their real purpose: to comfort and protect a fragile ego.
They aren't interested in philosophy, they are only interested in psychology, and how to justify whatever they find comforting and soothing and sheltering, without exposing the true underlying motive.
They say so, indirectly,.
All is subjective, means all is self-serving.
They cannot imagine any other motive, so they suspect all of being exactly like them.
No, they need all to be exactly as retarded and pretentious and unjustifiably arrogant, and shallow as they are.

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PostSubject: Re: What is Beauty? Today at 7:38 am

Anfang wrote:
That would also explain why the Jays like ugliness in art so much, it helps them along with their objective of dismantling the European elements in the West.

Beauty lies in the eye of the beholder after all but the beholder is not free and there is no such thing as a universal beholder or that all beholders are equal individual when it comes to seeing reality for what it is or what their destiny, their developmental trajectory, is about.
The arrogance hiding behind their pretentious humility is breathtaking.
It's an over-compensating hyperbolic defensiveness.
Abrahamics think the entire universe was created for them, and that they deserve eternal life and paradise, or an all-powerful all-knowing Being watching over them.
The sheer arrogance of this delusion is incredible...yet they declare themselves humble.

Moderns believe they are the creators of world - that they are gods, because they were born, and they can use words to declare things into existence, to project their abstractions outward.
They can declare their own reality into existence, simply by saying so.
This is why they accuse all of doing just that.
The social constructivism implies that humans are the ones holding their own destiny in their hands, when born...simply by being born.
Only humans...no other organism has this magical power.  
Insecurity, using inversion to comfort, to hyper-inflate a deflating sense of self.
They feel like slaves, so they pretend to be masters of their won destiny. They feel un-free so they declare themselves detached from everything that inhibits their presumed liberty.

Try to connect words to phenomena.
Try to bring it down to earth, by connecting the mental constructs with the noumena, with the apparent, with phenomena.
Their reaction is predictable.
They will not, can not, accept an external standard of evaluating themselves and all else.
They must keep it subjective, so that it can mean anything they want words to mean.
They want it to relate to how it feels, in them.
If you try this with the concept of beauty they regress to pleasure as their only available universal hiding place. Pleasure is esoteric, it is subjective....so they like to make it an end in itself - hedonism.
But, to connect beauty to symmetry and proportionality, takes that power of self-medication away from them....and it immediately makes them vulnerable to external judgments.
No, all words will be made esoteric, mystical, subjective. To hide the psychological motives they ought to remain vague, insinuating but never direct, never clear.

They will deny their own physical reactions, to maintain their mental detachments.

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PostSubject: Re: What is Beauty? Today at 7:54 am

Beauty becomes subjective and therefor free from the objective world because they see themselves as free from objective reality - detached. Of course only detached if they want to be detached, free to do what their free spirit/free soul/free mind wants to do. Free willy.
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