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PostSubject: Re: Seduction Seduction - Page 2 EmptyWed Apr 02, 2014 5:52 pm

Ideals seduce those without them. This is how a master makes others into slaves. The ideal is the seduction.

You're beginning to dodge a lot of questions.
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Ideals seduce those without them.  This is how a master makes others into slaves.  The ideal is the seduction.

You're beginning to dodge a lot of questions.
Nobody is without ideals...this is where your absolutism makes you ugly.

The superiority of an idea(l) is what seduces.

All humans have an ideal, no matter how simplistic and how unaware of it they are.

Marketing toys with this subconscious idealization, when it is rooted in natural ideals, on innate genetic ones, like the 7/10 rule of proportion or height or a proportionality of body and....of mind.

Heidegger was plain, as a physical creature....and Sartre was ugly.
Both were quite successful amongst a certain kind of female.

That these very same people reject them as primitive, makes them all the more vulnerable...as I noted.

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An old, ugly, goat, like I, would wonder what makes these females seductive, when a younger, more healthy, beautiful boy, would simply surrender to the impulse, the 'just because' of it.

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Do those asses not defaecate, do they not pass gas?
Yes...so what is it?

Is it for their own sake?

Some, to avoid the deeper connections, would like to stop there.

The mind need not know, or understand, it need only respond to a genetic, programming, which makes the particular dimensions, produce a physical reaction they cannot control, and sometimes cannot resist.
A female would use this, as part of her mystique, while, at the same time, denying a motive, or a reason, so as to not shatter the spell.

But I, being the old-goat that I am, see those luscious spheres, of near-perfect delight, as a promise...a means to an end.
For their own sake would make them insignificant, bulgy, superfluous, even grotesque...

What did Schopenhauer say about the female form?  
Schopenhauer, Arthur wrote:
Only a male intellect clouded by the sexual drive could call the stunted, narrow-shouldered, broad-hipped and short-legged sex the fair sex … More fittingly than the fair sex, women could be called the unaesthetic sex. Neither for music, nor poetry, nor the plastic arts do they possess any real feeling of receptivity: if they affect to do so, it is merely mimicry in service of their effort to please.
And he was a ladies man in his youth, not some nerd that could not get laid.

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The girl below would probably make the average male go crazy.
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When I look at it I see a needy female, that would pleasure me and then bore me to tears a minute later.

I see a female prostituting herself, wanting all males, any male, to see her.
I see a moron who would then accuse a man of rape, or of giving her unsolicited attention.
I see a simpleton, who is not only dumb, but has no clue what seduction is....even though she is adept at it intuitively....spontaneously.

Would I fuck her?
Hell ya.
Would I think I'm special because I did?
No.

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PostSubject: Re: Seduction Seduction - Page 2 EmptyWed Apr 02, 2014 6:49 pm

Ideals are possibilities.

Possibilities are choices.

Choice represents freedom, more possibility is more choice.

The more choice, the more freedom, the more seductive the ideal.

Reality is the restriction surrounding the ideal, the constriction of choice.

The greater the ideal, the greater its seductive power. Because it integrates many into it. But some individuals require higher quality ideals, more realistic ideals. Achievable ideals, not far flung, childish fantasies. Ideals that can become realized. Quality is the realization of an ideal. Quantity is its possibility and commonality, its ability to spread among many, and quickly.

If beauty were open to everybody, as feminists and women attempt to redefine beauty, then beauty loses its value, rarity, and therefore must not be defined as seductive.
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PostSubject: Re: Seduction Seduction - Page 2 EmptyWed Apr 02, 2014 6:52 pm

For example, woman A is beautiful. Having sex, and children, with her, let's say this essentially guarantees 8 generations of existence. Her children probably will survive for 3 more generations, just for being beautiful.

Woman B is ugly, having sex and children with woman B will guarantee, most probably, 2 generations of survival. After that, it's uncertain and improbable.

Which will you choose, that wombman which offers more guaranteed, higher probability survival over several generations, or an ugly wombman, unhealthy, who offers 2 or 1 or even 0. Maybe she is infertile.

Make your choice now.
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For their own sake, the pictures below are hilarious, ridiculous, pathetic, funny.

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Only a male with a hard-on, or a primitive male, like a Negro, would be taken with them for a period exceeding the time needed to ejaculate.

It's why in cultures where female sexuality becomes freed from paternalism, all creativity is reduced to the comedic, the ridiculous, the hilarious, or to a time-span equal to the period needed to ejaculate.

THIS is the female mystique, the feminine power....how women are now "equal" to men.

The return to primal sexual conditions, with the liberation of the female sex, but not the male one, is a reduction of human interests to the ephemeral, the sexual, the shallow.

And only a female, protected by a system, would think that a male is free to express his natural sexuality.

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PostSubject: Re: Seduction Seduction - Page 2 EmptyWed Apr 02, 2014 6:57 pm

We should distinguish the seduction of a beautiful female body, opposed to other types of seduction, such as seducing people with promises.
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PostSubject: Re: Seduction Seduction - Page 2 EmptyWed Apr 02, 2014 6:59 pm

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We should distinguish the seduction of a beautiful female body, opposed to other types of seduction, such as seducing people with promises.
Memes....Genes.
Convincing an other is tantamount to seeding him with the equivalent of a genetic code, a sperm/ovum...an idea.

The genetic code is passed on using the sperm/ovum....the memetic code is passed on using the word.

Same principles apply, as with heterosexual flirtation, seduction, male/female dynamics.
Biological males females become memetic feminine/masculine psychologies.

Just as with genetic sexual exchanges there's a period of exploration, implied negotiation, of sizing the other out...of testing.
Some are seduced by mere appearances, superficial displays....linguistic artistry.
More sophisticated minds require more convincing....they look for substance.

And like with genetics you can only fake it for so long.
And females have evolved a method of sniffing out pretenders, and males have evolved a counter-tactic of believing gin their own pretenses to become more immune to female intuition.

Fascinating stuff, for an old fart, like Satyr.

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PostSubject: Re: Seduction Seduction - Page 2 EmptyWed Apr 02, 2014 7:03 pm

I think it's worth investigating how females use their bodies and promise of sex, to seduce, while males use words and memes.

Feminists claim that males can be, or ought to be, sexually objectified, as if this is bad or negative. Is it?

And what about words, a meme, an idea, makes it most seductive, except what I wrote above?
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PostSubject: Re: Seduction Seduction - Page 2 EmptyWed Apr 02, 2014 7:09 pm

Æon wrote:
I think it's worth investigating how females use their bodies and promise of sex, to seduce, while males use words and memes.

Feminists claim that males can be, or ought to be, sexually objectified, as if this is bad or negative.  Is it?

And what about words, a meme, an idea, makes it most seductive, except what I wrote above?
It's why I've repeated, a dozen times before, that feminists think they are liberated when they are only getting rid of the unnecessary, disposable, middle-man, the Beta>Omega male, and are surrendering directly to the Alpha, which has now been abstracted into a Deity, an Idea(l)...an Institution.

Because it is abstracted anyone can become its representation: children, females, cripples, an old goat, George W.....anyone.

It's also why I claim that males are emasculated...even though they often take on these appearances of a soldier, warrior, police officer, fighter, entrepreneur, CEO...and so on.
It's also why females can now also pretend to be like males...because to be a male has become an idea, a superficial display, often a ridiculous one, like with hyper-masculine cRAP music.

When this occurs then being a female must also be exaggerated...and so you have these females in the poses above, with huge breasts and bulging ass-cheeks, in ridiculous poses of sexual surrender....or the pornography industry with its inflated images and stupid scenarios.
In feminine pornography the romanticism is raised to a ridiculous level of absurdity: the constant "I love yous," or tenderness, or symbolic gifts of faked loyalty, or the fatherly protective persona, and so on.

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PostSubject: Re: Seduction Seduction - Page 2 EmptyWed Apr 02, 2014 7:14 pm

Memes and ideas are seductive through general and particular applications.

While religion focuses on general appeal of an ideal, such as offering eternal life to its adherents, there are also specific focuses of ideals. For example, after learning about an individual, his or her wants, fears, hopes, then certain ideals, promises, and trades can be offered.

Say that a person is poor, the offer of money becomes that much more seductive. People are seduced by ideals which they are vulnerable too, like a cancer patient full of guilt, will also be seduced by ideas of religious forgiveness.
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The modern schizophrenia takes two paths, corresponding to the two sexual roles:

---The male, the Beta>Omega male will become a Feminist, trying to escape the shame of being exposed as what he is.
The Beta>Omega female is also motivated in the same way, but because of the female and male sexual roles, an average female will usually not be compelled by the same underlying reasons as the genetically inferior male is.  

---The female, will feel ashamed of her own nature, which has been trained into her since birth, producing a conflict of Meme and Gene, often resulting in a contradiction between words and deeds.
She wants to surrender to a superior male, but she cannot find one, given the circumstances, or is self-conscious about expressing this desire - in the former case, this becomes pronounced when the female is above average in intelligence.

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PostSubject: Re: Seduction Seduction - Page 2 EmptyWed Apr 02, 2014 7:34 pm

The bad boy seduces

Females want and desire, to seduce, an innocent, childish type of male. He is brash, compulsive, a force of nature. He is conflicted, abrasive, and confident, full of himself. I liken this to a sense of childlike ignorance of the world. Unaware of danger, the bad boy charges in, without hesitation. A faithful type of person. This is the type that also charges headfirst into war or danger.

Young females want to control this type of male libido, and their preferred, or only choice of control, is sex. Young women try to use sex to control these types of men. Some succeed, most fail. These are the "victims" of abuse, or rape. Young girls try to seduce such bad boys with the promise of sex, and are taken, without awareness of the consequences.

Like serving a raw steak to a lion, and not expecting him to pounce, or when he does pounce, then claiming victim status.
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PostSubject: Re: Seduction Seduction - Page 2 EmptyWed Apr 02, 2014 7:51 pm

Æon wrote:
The bad boy seduces
Not intentionally.

Æon wrote:
Females want and desire, to seduce, an innocent, childish type of male.
 Wrong...you are not listening.

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He is brash, compulsive, a force of nature.  He is conflicted, abrasive, and confident, full of himself.  I liken this to a sense of childlike ignorance of the world.  Unaware of danger, the bad boy charges in, without hesitation.  A faithful type of person.  This is the type that also charges headfirst into war or danger.
Wrong....they want to give themselves to what they consider superior.
Those boys you speak of lay themselves before her. Women take advantage of them because it's easy....they do it without remorse, just because they can...and they do not respect these men-children.

They don't want this.

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Young females want to control this type of male libido, and their preferred, or only choice of control, is sex.  Young women try to use sex to control these types of men.  Some succeed, most fail.  These are the "victims" of abuse, or rape.  Young girls try to seduce such bad boys with the promise of sex, and are taken, without awareness of the consequences.
Young girls, being more natural in that society, the Modern Nihilistic meme has not been understood or has not indoctrinated them fully, are more pure with the usage of their sexuality.

They honestly want to be the means to a male's end.
This is why the meme seduces them, captivates them, at this stage.

Once this is accomplished males become her playthings, and sex becomes her tool.

And during this entire process females have no clue.
All of this happens on a subconscious, psychological, intuitive, instinctive, impulsive, level.

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PostSubject: Re: Seduction Seduction - Page 2 EmptyWed Apr 02, 2014 8:06 pm

Women, like men, want what is valuable and powerful, rare, but cannot have nor attain.

Like a carrot on a stick, or something just out of reach. Not institutional, systemic power, but real power. Something that truly has the capacity to affect others. A type of authority, but not just authority, but the origin of it along with its foundation.

I repeat, people want choices. Freedom, the ability to overturn nature, even though they fail in attempting to do so. People want to escape their past, their mistakes, their insecurities and fears. The ideals which promise them this very ability, this ideal, is powerful to this type of person.

Power is seductive.
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PostSubject: Re: Seduction Seduction - Page 2 EmptyWed Apr 02, 2014 8:15 pm

Feminine Will to Power = to find power through otherness
Masculine Will to Power = to find power over otherness

One immerses, surrenders, develops identity in the unity.
The other dominates, and/or overcomes, surpasses or controls, he imposes identity upon the other.

Want denotes a conscious need, an object/objective promising the willful fulfillment of a need.

A young female does not want a feeble male.  
She may settle for one, or use one, but she does not want one.
A feminine psychology is swept away by power...she wants to belong to power.

Chaos is this sweeping away.

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PostSubject: Re: Seduction Seduction - Page 2 EmptyWed Apr 02, 2014 8:35 pm

So males see power as enforcing against others, overpowering resistance. This is physics.

And females see power as submission, as belonging to the most powerful authority, man, group, or institution. And females flock to large institutions, popularity, fame. Women are taken by the crowd, swept up in the emotion. Like dancing and singing, caught in emotional turbulence.
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PostSubject: Re: Seduction Seduction - Page 2 EmptyWed Apr 02, 2014 8:41 pm

Identity.
Males impose their identity.
Females surrender theirs to the group.

Selflessness, or the myth, is related to this transposition of identity.
The mind identifies with the group....increase synergy.
now sacrificing the biological emergent unity to the otherness, which is part of the same identity, becomes a selfish act.

I theorize that this is so because a female must surrender her self-interests to the otherness of a fetus, a helpless infant.


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That is reasonable.

Males find identity through individuality, females find it through abandoning any self assured identity. Females have a malleability to them, within their nature. Like how females are willing to sacrifice their culture, to a stronger one, or take the family name of a male. Females who force their husbands to take the woman's family name, represents a superior masculinity, or, superior culture. Inferior males are also willing to sacrifice themselves to a superior culture or group.
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power
the power to turn any subject into a snorefest
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Æon wrote:
I think it's worth investigating how females use their bodies and promise of sex, to seduce, while males use words and memes.

Feminists claim that males can be, or ought to be, sexually objectified, as if this is bad or negative.  Is it?

And what about words, a meme, an idea, makes it most seductive, except what I wrote above?

the embodiment, or physicalization of desire is the last stage of seduction.
it is a weak link, an appeal to impulse.

in order to fully seduce, one must offer a possibility of an engagement that goes beyond the physical.

a seducer who taunts with physical gifts is abandoned as soon as those gifts are possessed.

the possibilities of the mind, though, are many.
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PostSubject: Re: Seduction Seduction - Page 2 EmptyThu Apr 03, 2014 1:03 am

Possibilities are choices.

Choices represent freedom, the more choices you have, the freer a person can become.

Therefore freedom cannot exist, without possibility.


What is possible, for you, may not be possible for many others.

Possibilities represent ideas, ideals. Not all minds are equal. Not all possibilities are equal. Some possibilities seem impossible, like, God. Fairies and unicorns. May as well be impossible. Degrees of possibilities, are called probability, the practical application of a possibility.

It is possible that humans have 2 arms and 2 legs. Or, isn't it a certainty already? It is possible that humans have 1 arm and 2 legs, an amputee fulfills this possibility of its certainty.

How many possibilities are taken for granted? You take most of your life for certain, unaware of the possibilities that you take for granted, that you rest your existence upon.

Metaphysics is this foundation, the ground, of possibilities. Metaphysics is the science of possibility, determining which possibilities are more or less real. What is achievable. What can become created.

What can become created? What cannot? If gods do not exist, then can't we build them? Who decides what is, and what is not? Who rules over possibilities?
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The seduced conjures up possibilities.
The skilled seducer reads them.
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Do go on.
As you were saying?
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What is achievable, to the seduced, is endless.
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PostSubject: Re: Seduction Seduction - Page 2 EmptyThu Apr 03, 2014 1:40 am

Unfortunately not, to the enslaved and seduced, by ideals, imagination is limited.

You cannot achieve what you cannot understand. If you could, then the achievement is not yours, but instead the achievement of the creator of the idea.

To the seduced, there is only obedience and acceptance, not even true recognition of the ideas they imbibe.
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The creator of the idea is the seduced, himself.

What the seduced can not understand is all the more alluring
The seduced will look for pieces of the puzzle, will attempt to make sense of it. Will aspire to it. Will wish to liken to it.
The seduced wishes to be deserving of the attention of the seducer.
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PostSubject: Re: Seduction Seduction - Page 2 EmptyThu Apr 03, 2014 12:21 pm

You clearly don't understand.

Ask a christian about god. After a few questions, she will admit ignorance, she doesn't know. She doesn't know what god means. She must consult the bible.

This indicates that the ideal that seduced her, god, is unknown.
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Does that change the fact that "she" is seduced?

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Will "she" not wonder about the endless possibilities of god?
Does her incapacity to understand god limit the reach of her possibilities?

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