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PostSubject: Chatbox archive Fri Apr 04, 2014 11:45 am

I propose that we make a collaborative effort to paste logs from the chatbox into this thread.
Not for any reason other than to avoid future "he said" "she said" arguments.

Those of you who wish to be secretive with their conversations should take to other tools.
All that is open and public and bears no expectation of privacy, should be referable.
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PostSubject: Re: Chatbox archive Fri Apr 04, 2014 11:45 am

[04:11:12 04/04/14] @ Satyr : Philosopher = hybrid....scientist/artist

[04:11:35 04/04/14] @ Satyr : Scientist = to find order in the chos, in the unknown. To cotnrol, manipualte.

[04:11:38 04/04/14] @ Satyr : Masculine

[04:12:08 04/04/14] @ Satyr : Artist = to give one's self to reality, to give it expression, to bring it to light

[04:12:14 04/04/14] @ Satyr : Feminine

[04:12:39 04/04/14] @ Satyr : Helelnic Psyche = Ridder on a Horse...with a Rope conencting the two into one.

[04:12:51 04/04/14] @ Satyr : Rider = Reason

[04:12:58 04/04/14] @ Satyr : Horse = Passion

[04:13:10 04/04/14] @ Satyr : The Rope = Will

[04:13:54 04/04/14] @ Satyr : The Jewish/Christian Psyche = Horse, on Rider, with the Rope/Whip?

[04:14:54 04/04/14] @ Satyr : The meek...the feminine. Passion dictates what is reasonable....using the will to tether the masculine, the sceientists to the passinos, the feminine, the artist.

[04:15:56 04/04/14] @ Satyr : One does not hate, deny, ignore, forget the feminine...one cotnrols it, ties it, suing his will, to his REASON....He tethers the subjective to the objective

[06:33:11 04/04/14] Mo : I can't seem to see the archives, Satyr.

[06:37:46 04/04/14] Mo : Did you delete them?
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PostSubject: Re: Chatbox archive Sat Apr 05, 2014 5:11 am

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[17:43:20 02/04/14] phoneutria : there's those who clearly have an agenda

[17:43:33 02/04/14] phoneutria : and then there are those who are merely eploring

[17:43:49 02/04/14] phoneutria : because it pleases them to explore

[17:44:28 02/04/14] phoneutria : but do keep something in mind

[17:44:44 02/04/14] phoneutria : those fraudulent sheep, with robotic work that pays well

[17:45:03 02/04/14] phoneutria : built the tools you are using right now to criticise them

[17:45:15 02/04/14] phoneutria : so in order to remain pure

[17:45:32 02/04/14] phoneutria : I would recommend that you disconnect from the internet and throw your computer out

Having opinions opposed to the prevailing Judeo-Christian, secular liberal ethos is an agenda. Those uncritical of it are like children, merely innocent explorers.

The bit about throwing out your computer because you espouse pre-modern values was gold.

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The Luddites were 19th-century English textile artisans who protested against newly developed labour-saving machinery from 1811 to 1817. The stocking frames, spinning frames and power looms introduced during the Industrial Revolution threatened to replace the artisans with less-skilled, low-wage labourers, leaving them without work.

The emphasis is mine.

It costs less to employ dull and unimaginative keyboard monkeys to write programs, the kinds of inferior minds that are relieved when the world is reduced to an easily manageable binary simulacrum, than to give nature its full reign, which is dangerous and threatening.

What I like most is what they did to the 'savage' Luddites:

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The British Army clashed with the Luddites on several occasions. At one time, more British soldiers were fighting the Luddites than were fighting Napoleon on the Iberian Peninsula.[16][e] Three Luddites, led by George Mellor, ambushed and assassinated a mill owner named William Horsfall from Ottiwells Mill at Crosland Moor in Marsden, West Yorkshire. Horsfall had remarked that he would "Ride up to his saddle in Luddite blood." Mellor fired the fatal shot to Horsfall's groin, and all three men were arrested.

The British government sought to suppress the Luddite movement with a mass trial at York in January 1813, following the attack on Cartwrights mill at Rawfolds near Cleckheaton. The government charged over sixty men, including Mellor and his companions, with various crimes in connection with Luddite activities. While some of those charged were actual Luddites, many had no connection to the movement. These trials were not legitimate judicial reckonings of each defendant's guilt, but show trials intended to deter other Luddites from continuing their activities. By meting out harsh consequences, including, in many cases, execution and penal transportation, the trials quickly ended the movement.[17]

Parliament subsequently made "machine breaking" (i.e. industrial sabotage) a capital crime with the Frame Breaking Act[18] and the Malicious Damage Act.[19]

Will you tell me how much you love blacks or the indigenous inhabitants of the Americas my dear, how important their rights and cultures are, whilst you tap away on your keyboard in the dead of night, producing page after page of lifeless, dry script in imitation of the real... because it pays well?

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PostSubject: Re: Chatbox archive Sat Apr 05, 2014 5:25 am

The Luddites were 19th-century English textile artisans who protested against newly developed labour-saving machinery from 1811 to 1817. The stocking frames, spinning frames and power looms introduced during the Industrial Revolution threatened to replace the artisans with less-skilled, low-wage labourers, leaving them without work, while creating a new niche for highly-skilled, high-wage machine designers.


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PostSubject: Re: Chatbox archive Sat Apr 05, 2014 5:31 am

Brilliant edit.

More cheap, plastic crap all round.

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PostSubject: Re: Chatbox archive Sat Apr 05, 2014 5:42 am

Haha, I can't believe I almost replied to your post.

Please go on and continue to criticize the collective technological accomplishments of mankind. On your computer. On the internet. Using electricity. Sipping a cup'o'joe. Wearing warm clothes and sitting on a comfy chair made in China.
Do tell us about the dangerous and threatening reality of nature. Go on.
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PostSubject: Re: Chatbox archive Sat Apr 05, 2014 5:55 am

Should I put these in spoilers, so the thread doesn't become huge?

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PostSubject: Re: Chatbox archive Sat Apr 05, 2014 8:35 am

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Haha, I can't believe I almost replied to your post.

Wow, neither can I. What you say on here is so important that you should inform us even when you don't say anything.

But you wanted to because deep down you recognize the confused and contradictory state of your own world view. You desire to be free of it.

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Please go on and continue to criticize the collective technological accomplishments of mankind. On your computer. On the internet. Using electricity. Sipping a cup'o'joe. Wearing warm clothes and sitting on a comfy chair made in China.
Do tell us about the dangerous and threatening reality of nature. Go on.
I remember having the feeling when I was younger that electricity was somehow dirty and polluting, cheap and inferior. Still trying to work out what that means.

But aren't you a typical liberal, forced into defending the very system that you simultaneously criticize for stealing wealth from the poor and oppressing minorities? A system which you will claim discriminates against the powerless? Although I suspect you will now feign aloofness and indifference because you will default to type.

Is bespoke, hand made furniture or a knitted sweater or an oil painting technology? I guess it is if you are an advocate of modernism and a fan of levelling culture to the lowest common denominator. Otherwise you're forced to admit that the objects commonly made prior to industrialization are now the most expensive and qualitatively superior. Industrialization has led to an inferior world, a poor copy of the natural, which even animals find distasteful and turn away from consuming. What does that say about the majority that now revel in a consumer paradise?

Though wearing warm clothes and criticizing modernism does make me a hypocrite. Does that make indigenous opponents of Westernization hypocrites too when they use computers and telephones?
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PostSubject: Re: Chatbox archive Sat Apr 05, 2014 5:00 pm

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[13:52:37 02/04/14] Recidivist : I love these fraudulent sheep who do robotic work because it pays well

[13:52:48 02/04/14] Recidivist : And then come on here feigning an interest in higher ideals, promoting humanitarianism and empathy

[13:53:00 02/04/14] Recidivist : who the fuck are they trying to kid?

[13:53:15 02/04/14] Recidivist : Were we ever fooled?



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[22:14:44 02/04/14] phoneutria : those fraudulent sheep, with robotic work that pays well

[22:15:03 02/04/14] phoneutria : built the tools you are using right now to criticise them

[22:15:15 02/04/14] phoneutria : so in order to remain pure

[22:15:32 02/04/14] phoneutria : I would recommend that you disconnect from the internet and throw your computer out

[22:15:39 02/04/14] phoneutria : and get thee to a library



Our Precious thinks the few are dependent on the many for their knowledge that build computers and robotics that aid the few. What our Precious doesn't realize is what she assumes as her superiority is
her own mental-psycho-spiritual dwarfing. She thinks she designs and formats the coding lang. that shapes technology, but its technological thinking that has already dwarfed her, strait-jacketed her into thinking a certain way. She is enslaved to thinking technically. Technology continues to dictate the grammar of her thoughts while she continues to believe the masters are dependent on the many and she is the one who is free and spontaneous and "light"...

Satyr called them......

"Idiot Savants."

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"Idiot Savants.

A byproduct of increasing specialization.
An individual becomes an "expert" in one field, knowing all there is to know about it (a collector of information he accepts from the "appropriate" sources and regurgitates as a matter of fact); his entire life is taken over, with brief breaks to replenish his energies and to recreate, with keeping up to date with the information he requires to maintain his expert status.

As a consequence his performances in all other areas and his knowledge of any other field of knowledge, suffer.
He may even become socially inept having not cultivated the social aspects of his behavior.
Common terms for such types are: nerd, geek, dweeb etc.

He increasingly becomes dependent upon other experts in other fields, in this way also reinforcing his own status as a specialist they too depend upon.
This increasing interdependence results in the opposite of freedom and uniqueness. His inadequacies in all areas except the area of his expertise makes him more dependent on imitating and simply accepting popular trends or fashions coming from other "specialists" in the fields of behavior or sexualtiy or comedy or charm.
The source leads to a uniformity because it is itself trained by an institution wanting to produce a particular mindset and to reinforce the value of a particular behavior and a particular way of thinking. The institution, after all, wishes to preserve its own relevance and so it both promotes an attitude which does so and it also glorifies those who adhere to its principles.

In the sexual game this type becomes antipathetic to the opposite sex. it lacks the charm and knowhow, the contact with its own essence as male or female to be attractive...yet its social success makes resources accessible to him. What he or she lacks in charm and sexual energy he makes up with social status.
His special skills and techniques make him valuable to the other experts who need him to take care of the aspects of social living they cannot dedicate but little time to, thusly freeing their own time to dedicate to their own specialty.

This codependency is defended vehemently, as the years pass by and more investments in time and resources have been made and more dependencies have been nurtured.
The individual becomes conservative to preserve this inter-relationship making himself viable within it.

As a side-effect these individuals become less and less able to perceive any grand picture or to challenge the status quo. Their entire intellectual capacity is taken over with the finer details of their craft, submerging themselves in the particular, loosing view of the universal."


Hedonism and need for it can be seen as a necessary complementary to the mental retardation that occurs in this specialization, that drives one to immediate gratifications and low attention spans, etc. , and in the case of the more above-average intelligent male/female,,, as a recuperative drive to keep him/herself fluid *because  s/he intuits the psycho-somatic rigidity that is a product of being technopolized.

Why is our Precious a Hedonist?
Its her way of admitting that she knows she's being technopolized even as she continues to speak of being free and spontaneous and enjoying aesthetic pleasures for its own sake...

Didn't Trivers say, self-deception is part of survival-sanity?

Free and spontaneous is a life-or-death myth one needs to hold onto at every cost.

Her Hedonism has nothing to do with this underlying battle, this underlying suffering...
*chuckles*

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PostSubject: Re: Chatbox archive Sun Apr 06, 2014 1:19 am

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[13:52:37 02/04/14] Recidivist : I love these fraudulent sheep who do robotic work because it pays well

[13:52:48 02/04/14] Recidivist : And then come on here feigning an interest in higher ideals, promoting humanitarianism and empathy

[13:53:00 02/04/14] Recidivist : who the fuck are they trying to kid?

[13:53:15 02/04/14] Recidivist : Were we ever fooled?



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[22:14:44 02/04/14] phoneutria : those fraudulent sheep, with robotic work that pays well

[22:15:03 02/04/14] phoneutria : built the tools you are using right now to criticise them

[22:15:15 02/04/14] phoneutria : so in order to remain pure

[22:15:32 02/04/14] phoneutria : I would recommend that you disconnect from the internet and throw your computer out

[22:15:39 02/04/14] phoneutria : and get thee to a library



Our Precious thinks the few are dependent on the many for their knowledge that build computers and robotics that aid the few. What our Precious doesn't realize is what she assumes as her superiority is
her own mental-psycho-spiritual dwarfing. She thinks she designs and formats the coding lang. that shapes technology, but its technological thinking that has already dwarfed her, strait-jacketed her into thinking a certain way. She is enslaved to thinking technically. Technology continues to dictate the grammar of her thoughts while she continues to believe the masters are dependent on the many and she is the one who is free and spontaneous and "light"...

Satyr called them......

"Idiot Savants."

Quote :
"Idiot Savants.

A byproduct of increasing specialization.
An individual becomes an "expert" in one field, knowing all there is to know about it (a collector of information he accepts from the "appropriate" sources and regurgitates as a matter of fact); his entire life is taken over, with brief breaks to replenish his energies and to recreate, with keeping up to date with the information he requires to maintain his expert status.

As a consequence his performances in all other areas and his knowledge of any other field of knowledge, suffer.
He may even become socially inept having not cultivated the social aspects of his behavior.
Common terms for such types are: nerd, geek, dweeb etc.

He increasingly becomes dependent upon other experts in other fields, in this way also reinforcing his own status as a specialist they too depend upon.
This increasing interdependence results in the opposite of freedom and uniqueness. His inadequacies in all areas except the area of his expertise makes him more dependent on imitating and simply accepting popular trends or fashions coming from other "specialists" in the fields of behavior or sexualtiy or comedy or charm.
The source leads to a uniformity because it is itself trained by an institution wanting to produce a particular mindset and to reinforce the value of a particular behavior and a particular way of thinking. The institution, after all, wishes to preserve its own relevance and so it both promotes an attitude which does so and it also glorifies those who adhere to its principles.

In the sexual game this type becomes antipathetic to the opposite sex. it lacks the charm and knowhow, the contact with its own essence as male or female to be attractive...yet its social success makes resources accessible to him. What he or she lacks in charm and sexual energy he makes up with social status.
His special skills and techniques make him valuable to the other experts who need him to take care of the aspects of social living they cannot dedicate but little time to, thusly freeing their own time to dedicate to their own specialty.

This codependency is defended vehemently, as the years pass by and more investments in time and resources have been made and more dependencies have been nurtured.
The individual becomes conservative to preserve this inter-relationship making himself viable within it.

As a side-effect these individuals become less and less able to perceive any grand picture or to challenge the status quo. Their entire intellectual capacity is taken over with the finer details of their craft, submerging themselves in the particular, loosing view of the universal."


Hedonism and need for it can be seen as a necessary complementary to the mental retardation that occurs in this specialization, that drives one to immediate gratifications and low attention spans, etc. , and in the case of the more above-average intelligent male/female,,, as a recuperative drive to keep him/herself fluid *because  s/he intuits the psycho-somatic rigidity that is a product of being technopolized.

Why is our Precious a Hedonist?
Its her way of admitting that she knows she's being technopolized even as she continues to speak of being free and spontaneous and enjoying aesthetic pleasures for its own sake...

Didn't Trivers say, self-deception is part of survival-sanity?

Free and spontaneous is a life-or-death myth one needs to hold onto at every cost.

Her Hedonism has nothing to do with this underlying battle, this underlying suffering...
*chuckles*

Darling, do you feel as though you know enough about me to make such assumptions?

Why are you so eager to put me down?

I am not here to threaten you.
Please stop pissing around me. It is so unbecoming of someone who is supposed to be a strong and unusual female.

It is almost as though you are asking me to wipe the floor with you. It's making me uncomfortable.

Such promise. Satyr spoke highly of you. I am so let down.

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PostSubject: Re: Chatbox archive Sun Apr 06, 2014 1:23 am

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Haha, I can't believe I almost replied to your post.

Wow, neither can I. What you say on here is so important that you should inform us even when you don't say anything.

But you wanted to because deep down you recognize the confused and contradictory state of your own world view. You desire to be free of it.

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Please go on and continue to criticize the collective technological accomplishments of mankind. On your computer. On the internet. Using electricity. Sipping a cup'o'joe. Wearing warm clothes and sitting on a comfy chair made in China.
Do tell us about the dangerous and threatening reality of nature. Go on.
I remember having the feeling when I was younger that electricity was somehow dirty and polluting, cheap and inferior. Still trying to work out what that means.    

But aren't you a typical liberal, forced into defending the very system that you simultaneously criticize for stealing wealth from the poor and oppressing minorities? A system which you will claim discriminates against the powerless? Although I suspect you will now feign aloofness and indifference because you will default to type.  

Is bespoke, hand made furniture or a knitted sweater or an oil painting technology? I guess it is if you are an advocate of modernism and a fan of levelling culture to the lowest common denominator. Otherwise you're forced to admit that the objects commonly made prior to industrialization are now the most expensive and qualitatively superior. Industrialization has led to an inferior world, a poor copy of the natural, which even animals find distasteful and turn away from consuming. What does that say about the majority that now revel in a consumer paradise?

Though wearing warm clothes and criticizing modernism does make me a hypocrite. Does that make indigenous opponents of Westernization hypocrites too when they use computers and telephones?
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oh, forgot to reply to you.
I am long going to allow myself to be dragged into this foolish discussion again. Once is enough.
Enjoy your cave.
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tssss, tsssssss, tssssssssssssss. Such a kitty fight.


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PostSubject: Re: Chatbox archive Sun Apr 06, 2014 1:50 am

phoneutria wrote:
The Luddites were 19th-century English textile artisans who protested against newly developed labour-saving machinery from 1811 to 1817. The stocking frames, spinning frames and power looms introduced during the Industrial Revolution threatened to replace the artisans with less-skilled, low-wage labourers, leaving them without work, while creating a new niche for highly-skilled, high-wage machine designers.


Here, I improved your quote.
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If you really would like to spend time with the kinds of people who design faster Machines, this may seem like some kind of imporovement.  More than, say, retaining artisans, that is.   Move that forward a couple hundred years and you have the kind of men, mostly men, that is, who can't wait to be uploaded, who are out there right now improving corn genes so that more insecticides and herbicides can be sprayed on the vegetable Machines they have created, who are Writing apps that help you unneed human Contact or a large Visual field with depth perception or a Life and who read 4 books during their entire undergraduate career.  They are good at the, yes, human trait of scoffing.  Otherwise they dislike emotions and the disorder of women, Children, Forests, Life, but they'll tighten all that up in time. Once you cram these things into binary they are less distressing.
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phoneutria wrote:
The Luddites were 19th-century English textile artisans who protested against newly developed labour-saving machinery from 1811 to 1817. The stocking frames, spinning frames and power looms introduced during the Industrial Revolution threatened to replace the artisans with less-skilled, low-wage labourers, leaving them without work, while creating a new niche for highly-skilled, high-wage machine designers.


Here, I improved your quote.
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If you really would like to spend time with the kinds of people who design faster Machines, this may seem like some kind of imporovement.  More than, say, retaining artisans, that is.   Move that forward a couple hundred years and you have the kind of men, mostly men, that is, who can't wait to be uploaded, who are out there right now improving corn genes so that more insecticides and herbicides can be sprayed on the vegetable Machines they have created, who are Writing apps that help you unneed human Contact or a large Visual field with depth perception or a Life and who read 4 books during their entire undergraduate career.  They are good at the, yes, human trait of scoffing.  Otherwise they dislike emotions and the disorder of women, Children, Forests, Life, but they'll tighten all that up in time.   Once you cram these things into binary they are less distressing.

The researcher is thrilled with understanding the mechanisms of nature.
To understand what makes a thing be, and how to manipulate it to make it be more.
A researcher unburies knowledge that is powerful. All that is powerful has a potential to create both good, and bad.
It is not knowledge itself is that is dangerous. It is how it is applied.
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Though wearing warm clothes and criticizing modernism does make me a hypocrite.

Yes.

Your argument is strong until that statement in your post.

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Does that make indigenous opponents of Westernization hypocrites too when they use computers and telephones?

Nearly everyone owns some form of technology whether it is a mobile phone, iPod, television, laptop or desktop computer and it is evident in today's kindergartens, where some children are being educated through iPads. Can you deny that one of the greatest influences that technology has, other than for entertainment purposes, is the learning factor it possesses?  We benefit from this, as millions of people benefitted from the Industrial Revolution.  You speak of wearing warm clothes, but until the 19th century mass production, there were only a few in society that could afford goods and these were the people in the upper class.  Mass production decreased the prices for consumables and most could then afford the goods.  For the first time for millions of people, goods, services and facilities were now available to all. Compare this to the times Dickens wrote about.  

Broadly speaking it may be said, that the claim to be Modern always imples not only a departure from the past, but a sense of historical crisis. You cannot stop change. The cottage industry could not have survived in a world of billions of people, if that was what you were proposing.
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PostSubject: Re: Chatbox archive Sun Apr 06, 2014 9:06 am

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Why are you so eager to put me down?

She prefers to release her feelings of envy and jealousy in more underhand ways, subtlely and manipulating.

"Let it go over your head", advice given to me by a lovely man on this Forum.
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PostSubject: Re: Chatbox archive Sun Apr 06, 2014 10:03 am

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Nearly everyone owns some form of technology whether it is a mobile phone, iPod, television, laptop or desktop computer and it is evident in today's kindergartens, where some children are being educated through iPads. Can you deny that one of the greatest influences that technology has, other than for entertainment purposes, is the learning factor it possesses? We benefit from this, as millions of people benefitted from the Industrial Revolution. You speak of wearing warm clothes, but until the 19th century mass production, there were only a few in society that could afford goods and these were the people in the upper class. Mass production decreased the prices for consumables and most could then afford the goods. For the first time for millions of people, goods, services and facilities were now available to all. Compare this to the times Dickens wrote about.

Are you making an argument for gratitude then? How "lucky" and "fortunate" we are now?
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PostSubject: Re: Chatbox archive Sun Apr 06, 2014 5:42 pm

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Lyssa wrote:
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[13:52:37 02/04/14] Recidivist : I love these fraudulent sheep who do robotic work because it pays well

[13:52:48 02/04/14] Recidivist : And then come on here feigning an interest in higher ideals, promoting humanitarianism and empathy

[13:53:00 02/04/14] Recidivist : who the fuck are they trying to kid?

[13:53:15 02/04/14] Recidivist : Were we ever fooled?



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[22:14:44 02/04/14] phoneutria : those fraudulent sheep, with robotic work that pays well

[22:15:03 02/04/14] phoneutria : built the tools you are using right now to criticise them

[22:15:15 02/04/14] phoneutria : so in order to remain pure

[22:15:32 02/04/14] phoneutria : I would recommend that you disconnect from the internet and throw your computer out

[22:15:39 02/04/14] phoneutria : and get thee to a library



Our Precious thinks the few are dependent on the many for their knowledge that build computers and robotics that aid the few. What our Precious doesn't realize is what she assumes as her superiority is
her own mental-psycho-spiritual dwarfing. She thinks she designs and formats the coding lang. that shapes technology, but its technological thinking that has already dwarfed her, strait-jacketed her into thinking a certain way. She is enslaved to thinking technically. Technology continues to dictate the grammar of her thoughts while she continues to believe the masters are dependent on the many and she is the one who is free and spontaneous and "light"...

Satyr called them......

"Idiot Savants."

Quote :
"Idiot Savants.

A byproduct of increasing specialization.
An individual becomes an "expert" in one field, knowing all there is to know about it (a collector of information he accepts from the "appropriate" sources and regurgitates as a matter of fact); his entire life is taken over, with brief breaks to replenish his energies and to recreate, with keeping up to date with the information he requires to maintain his expert status.

As a consequence his performances in all other areas and his knowledge of any other field of knowledge, suffer.
He may even become socially inept having not cultivated the social aspects of his behavior.
Common terms for such types are: nerd, geek, dweeb etc.

He increasingly becomes dependent upon other experts in other fields, in this way also reinforcing his own status as a specialist they too depend upon.
This increasing interdependence results in the opposite of freedom and uniqueness. His inadequacies in all areas except the area of his expertise makes him more dependent on imitating and simply accepting popular trends or fashions coming from other "specialists" in the fields of behavior or sexualtiy or comedy or charm.
The source leads to a uniformity because it is itself trained by an institution wanting to produce a particular mindset and to reinforce the value of a particular behavior and a particular way of thinking. The institution, after all, wishes to preserve its own relevance and so it both promotes an attitude which does so and it also glorifies those who adhere to its principles.

In the sexual game this type becomes antipathetic to the opposite sex. it lacks the charm and knowhow, the contact with its own essence as male or female to be attractive...yet its social success makes resources accessible to him. What he or she lacks in charm and sexual energy he makes up with social status.
His special skills and techniques make him valuable to the other experts who need him to take care of the aspects of social living they cannot dedicate but little time to, thusly freeing their own time to dedicate to their own specialty.

This codependency is defended vehemently, as the years pass by and more investments in time and resources have been made and more dependencies have been nurtured.
The individual becomes conservative to preserve this inter-relationship making himself viable within it.

As a side-effect these individuals become less and less able to perceive any grand picture or to challenge the status quo. Their entire intellectual capacity is taken over with the finer details of their craft, submerging themselves in the particular, loosing view of the universal."


Hedonism and need for it can be seen as a necessary complementary to the mental retardation that occurs in this specialization, that drives one to immediate gratifications and low attention spans, etc. , and in the case of the more above-average intelligent male/female,,, as a recuperative drive to keep him/herself fluid *because  s/he intuits the psycho-somatic rigidity that is a product of being technopolized.

Why is our Precious a Hedonist?
Its her way of admitting that she knows she's being technopolized even as she continues to speak of being free and spontaneous and enjoying aesthetic pleasures for its own sake...

Didn't Trivers say, self-deception is part of survival-sanity?

Free and spontaneous is a life-or-death myth one needs to hold onto at every cost.

Her Hedonism has nothing to do with this underlying battle, this underlying suffering...
*chuckles*

Darling, do you feel as though you know enough about me to make such assumptions?

Precious, do I need to get acquainted with every bug to make a general statement about vermin?

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Why are you so eager to put me down?

Why is a bug so vain to take an intellectual remark and everything so personally?

You are only metaphor for a study. Did you mistake me for a human.

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I am not here to threaten you.

Whatever tickles your vanity...

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Please stop pissing around me.

Corripe cervisiam
I almost feel bad I make you so emotional... try not to let me reduce you to tears like I did the last one,,, the eagle does not catch flies, dear...
Don't take me to your heart, dear...

I have nothing against you personally, my precious; its the hypocrisy, the soft violence you spin as satire, dear... 

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It is so unbecoming of someone who is supposed to be a strong and unusual female.

Through the thorns to the stars, no?
Has it ever been any different?

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It is almost as though you are asking me to wipe the floor with you. It's making me uncomfortable.

Precious, how you confess your self-ressentiment... isn't that what bugs do? Wipe the floor and clean it...
Do you hate yourself Precious?
Is it too hair-raising being in your own skin?

Can food save you?
Can attention?
Round the clock coding?
Beer?
F---ing around?...

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Such promise. Satyr spoke highly of you.

Music soothes a savage beast, what soothes a bug?

A curiosity. Does raising the end steak, I mean stake, raise the thrill for a hedonist, or does it kill it?

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I am so let down.

Can I uplift you with my hope and sundry vertical tensions?

Might I place my confidence in you to turn this place around into a garden of delight for us? Might thou show us what it is to have a good life? A place of love and laughter shall this forum be...  a precious' place...

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Are you making an argument for gratitude then? How "lucky" and "fortunate" we are now?
 
No

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Precious, do I need to get acquainted with every bug to make a general statement about vermin?

Not at all.
The thing about general statements, though, they're lazy and ineffective.
But suit yourself.
I want to see how low you can get.

Lower please... lower.


Lazy and ineffecive Lyssa wrote:

Why is a bug so vain to take an intellectual remark and everything so personally?

Hmm let's see:

Mroww Fss! wrote:

Our Precious thinks the few are dependent on the many for their knowledge that build computers and robotics that aid the few. What our Precious doesn't realize is what she assumes as her superiority is
her own mental-psycho-spiritual dwarfing. She thinks she designs and formats the coding lang. that shapes technology, but its technological thinking that has already dwarfed her, strait-jacketed her into thinking a certain way. She is enslaved to thinking technically. Technology continues to dictate the grammar of her thoughts while she continues to believe the masters are dependent on the many and she is the one who is free and spontaneous and "light"...

How many references to me was that... 12?
There's more in the second part, too.
Ah, that's not about me. Had me fooled.

I think I may to use you as a metaphor for lazy and ineffective. Nothing personal.

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I almost feel bad I make you so emotional... try not to let me reduce you to tears like I did the last one,,, the eagle does not catch flies, dear...
Don't take me to your heart, dear...

I do challenge you to try and get more out of me than a cringe.
Do pardon me if I ignore. When the eagle is hard at work for her next lemming, I am sound asleep, recovering from last night's excesses.
I do feel bad for the eagle, trying so hard. My food comes to me.


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I have nothing against you personally, my precious; its the *stuff I have against you personally*, dear...  

Had me fooled again! Damn you...


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Precious, how you confess your self-ressentiment... isn't that what bugs do? Wipe the floor and clean it...

I keep my lair impecably clean. First I place my foot firmly on my victim's neck, and then I give the floor a thorough wiping, using their bodies to sop up the puddle of their own piss that they left on my floor.

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Do you hate yourself Precious?
Is it too hair-raising being in your own skin?

Can food save you?
Can attention?
Round the clock coding?
Beer?
F---ing around?...

Who is asking for salvation?
What a captive, guilty, suffering mindset.

prr zzz wrote:

Music soothes a savage beast, what soothes a bug?

A curiosity. Does raising the end steak, I mean stake, raise the thrill for a hedonist, or does it kill it?

Raises, of course.
In your case, it is just the small potatoes making the steak look bigger.

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Might I place my confidence in you to turn this place around into a garden of delight for us? Might thou show us what it is to have a good life? A place of love and laughter shall this forum be...  a precious' place...

Sorry dear, you could not make me care.


For the record, every single assumption in your post is false. Find yourself a better study Wink

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PostSubject: Re: Chatbox archive Mon Apr 07, 2014 8:34 am

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oh, forgot to reply to you.
I am long going to allow myself to be dragged into this foolish discussion again. Once is enough.
Enjoy your cave.

*Flips hair and walks off*

But don't trouble yourself. You are far more superior than the rest of us on here. We know you come here like an innocent child - because it pleases you to explore - to laugh and cavort amongst the adults, respond with pithy one liners, even though you are a grown, thirty something woman. How pathetic is that?

Why do you expect us to take responsibility for what you cannot?

I've always found the programmers I've met to be dull, unimaginative people, lacking empathy and bordering on altistic in social situations. The kinds of minds good at dry, tedious work, but with zero understanding of what makes humans tick.

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The researcher is thrilled with understanding the mechanisms of nature.
What 'mechanisms'? Does nature have mechanisms? We create theoretical models that are adopted if they reflect nature and dropped when they don't. But that's all they are... tiny little reflections... of a vast and more powerful reality.
No mechanisms.

Russell Means wrote:
This is what has come to be termed “efficiency” in the European mind. Whatever is mechanical is perfect; whatever seems to work at the moment – that is, proves the mechanical model to be the right one – is considered correct, even when it is clearly untrue. This is why “truth” changes so fast in the European mind; the answers which result from such a process are only stopgaps, only temporary, and must be continuously discarded in favor of new stopgaps which support the mechanical models and keep them (the models) alive.

Being is a spiritual proposition. Gaining is a material act. Traditionally, American Indians have always attempted to be the best people they could. Part of that spiritual process was and is to give away wealth, to discard wealth in order not to gain. Material gain is an indicator of false status among traditional people, while it is “proof that the system works” to Europeans. Clearly, there are two completely opposing views at issue here, and Marxism is very far over to the other side from the American Indian view.

You find comfort in coding because it provides a framework for a secure environment where everything is (re)programmable, whereas reality does not. You cannot control nature - especially humans - but by reducing it to an abstraction - just like they've done with DNA - you can create a safe little world for yourself, insulated from an indifferent universe.

Russell Means wrote:
Descartes did the same thing with culture. John Locke did it with politics, and Adam Smith did it with economics. Each one of these “thinkers” took a piece of the spirituality of human existence and converted it into a code, an abstraction. They picked up where Christianity ended: they “secularized” Christian religion, as the “scholars” like to say – and in doing so they made Europe more able and ready to act as an expansionist culture. Each of these intellectual revolutions served to abstract the European mentality even further, to remove the wonderful complexity and spirituality from the universe and replace it with a logical sequence: one, two, three. Answer!.

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To understand what makes a thing be, and how to manipulate it to make it be more.
To manipulate it so as to control it and make it less threatening or to use it as a weapon against others.
Make it more though? More than what? Itself?
Doesn't make much sense eh?

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A researcher unburies knowledge that is powerful.
Unburies?
What does that even mean?

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All that is powerful has a potential to create both good, and bad.
Good and bad? What mindless cliches you indulge in.

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Nearly everyone owns some form of technology whether it is a mobile phone, iPod, television, laptop or desktop computer and it is evident in today's kindergartens, where some children are being educated through iPads. Can you deny that one of the greatest influences that technology has, other than for entertainment purposes, is the learning factor it possesses? We benefit from this, as millions of people benefitted from the Industrial Revolution. You speak of wearing warm clothes, but until the 19th century mass production, there were only a few in society that could afford goods and these were the people in the upper class. Mass production decreased the prices for consumables and most could then afford the goods. For the first time for millions of people, goods, services and facilities were now available to all. Compare this to the times Dickens wrote about.

Broadly speaking it may be said, that the claim to be Modern always imples not only a departure from the past, but a sense of historical crisis. You cannot stop change. The cottage industry could not have survived in a world of billions of people, if that was what you were proposing.
A banal celebration of mass consumerism.

It is true that the majority are only alive to provide labor and hungry mouths to the system, no different to millions of animals reared in intensive farms. And like those animals, regardless of what they think, or even their individuals qualities, their lives are determined before they are even born.

Your response demonstrates how wedded you are to that system, how afraid you are of leaving it. Perhaps because you are so banal and ordinary that your life inside it is more comfortable than if it was torn down, and you were forced to confront your own mediocrity.

Please remind of us of why you are here.
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PostSubject: Re: Chatbox archive Mon Apr 07, 2014 8:47 am

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The thing about general statements, though, they're lazy and ineffective.

Like how the category "human" conveniently exists and yet "race" is too generalized a construct, no? How Precious. How Philosophically Deatched.

Classic vermin repetitions...


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You are the fool who believes they can categorize entire races and not bother discriminating between individuals.

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I know...like science categorizes entire species or entire cultures or entire population groups.
Simply evil.

I suggest you teach scientists that they must deal with each individual bear or wolf or sheep before they dare come up with general behavioral and physical attributes.

A category, simpleton, indicates potential.
Genes establish it within parameters. Individuals and their nurturing are placed within these parameters, and the exceptions to the rule supports the rule and requires explanation.
You want to be comforted. You are not interested in seeing the world as it is.
So, instead of accepting categories you prefer to focus on the exceptions because this gives you hope that all categories are false and freedom reigns and the past has no determining effects on the present or the future.

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But suit yourself.
I want to see how low you can get.

Lower please... lower.

Honey, I try but ts tough to beat your IQ, its waayyyyyy down there.


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Why is a bug so vain to take an intellectual remark and everything so personally?
Hmm let's see:

How many references to me was that... 12?

Thanks for never letting me down. Concluding, assessing,... using quantitative statistics "12"....  You perfectly demonstrate my point; how thoroughly technopolized you are.


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There's more in the second part, too.
Ah, that's not about me. Had me fooled.

Let me help the Thickness...

Metaphor.
noun
1.
a figure of speech in which a term or phrase is applied to something to which it is not literally applicable in order to suggest a resemblance, as in “A mighty fortress is our God.”
2.
something used, or regarded as being used, to represent something else; emblem; symbol.
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I think I may to use you as a metaphor for lazy and ineffective. Nothing personal.

Its all the better when it comes from the mouth of an Idiot Savant...  the word "ineffective" takes a new colour, lol

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I do challenge you to try and get more out of me than a cringe.

I do challenge you to try and get me to get personal about you; bugs are invisible and just useful study material.

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Do pardon me if I ignore. When the eagle is hard at work for her next lemming, I am sound asleep, recovering from last night's excesses.
I do feel bad for the eagle, trying so hard. My food comes to me.

So says the one that cannot fly;
The one that doesn't have claws will glorify the way of herd, making a virtue out of clawlessness, sleeping away and cud-chewing away life like cattle,,, while eagles soar, suffer and know a grander life and cattles are left dreaming of take-off fantasies making them hungrier and hungrier they call as their pleasure and satiation...

The weak have No choice but to be hedonists out of compulsion, and stuff their mouths Because they can't stuff their hearts, their claws, their eyes... tut tut

But cruel me,, why would I take away the crutch of these convenient myths cripples need to lean on..? I wouldn't. They are the "free, the spontaneous, the light ones" living the life of ease and pleasure...


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Had me fooled again! Damn you...

You are So Caring,,, again try not to let me make you so emotional.


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I keep my lair impecably clean. First I place my foot firmly on my victim's neck, and then I give the floor a thorough wiping, using their bodies to sop up the puddle of their own piss that they left on my floor.

Cool. I like it when bugs squash their victims and lick the dirt and germs off my floor and keep my house clean.
How coy. And there you almost denied doing hard labour. You don't give yourself enough credit dear...
Here, I give you a star...


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Who is asking for salvation?

What a captive, guilty, suffering mindset.

Hedonism, to escape from the reality of suffering, is wanting to escape from life itself.

Its wanting to bury yourself from everything that pains, its screaming for salvation.

Don't feel embarassed about it dear... don't feel guilty about lying to yourself...

I almost want to get personal when I see a bug suffering like that...

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Raises, of course.

Interesting.

"A Zombie is all about hunger, hedonism, feeding, corporeal compensation for a decaying body, and a rotten brain.
It has no historical background, no past. It is all about the immediate, the gratifying, and the shallow. It can only stumble towards some future; it drags itself towards any sound, any movement, promising action, a source of material fulfillment.
It congregates on mass, and feeds.

Zombies are individualistic, in that they follow their own need/hunger, towards the intended source of satiation, but their behavior is uniform, in that it is predictable and shared." [Satyr]

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In your case, it is just the small potatoes making the steak look bigger.

Funny, I was thinking the same about your brain.... how the mundane and cud-chewing makes life look bigger, grander... lol

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Sorry dear, you could not make me care.

yes, I didn't think so dear. What would a suffering creature know about turning a place into a garden of love and laughter...
I forgive you.

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For the record, every single assumption in your post is false. Find yourself a better study

Did I touch a nerve? Oh my, how threatened you feel to correct the record. I am not here to squash you that soon, dear... there's still lots of study time Precious...

taaa...

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See... how objective I am and what an honest study I make of you... specimen...

I will make a study of her.
Oh... she's programs.... then she is a programmer.
Here let me see what I have in my binder under programmer hmmm.

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PostSubject: Re: Chatbox archive Mon Apr 07, 2014 8:08 pm

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banal celebration of mass consumerism.

It is true that the majority are only alive to provide labor and hungry mouths to the system, no different to millions of animals reared in intensive farms. And like those animals, regardless of what they think, or even their individuals qualities, their lives are determined before they are even born.

Your response demonstrates how wedded you are to that system, how afraid you are of leaving it. Perhaps because you are so banal and ordinary that your life inside it is more comfortable than if it was torn down, and you were forced to confront your own mediocrity.

Please remind of us of why you are here.
 
People like you make me sick.  Pontificating about the past, ignoring the fact that human nature never changes, man then is man now.
 
Do you really think that you are isolated in your attitude regarding the treatment of animals.  Is this another issue you sit in the dark about, or do you protest to your government, eat free range eggs, refuse meat, take the unwanted "pets" and give them a home.  Do you knit your own jumpers, make your own soap, have nothing plastic in your home, never have processed food, use nothing mechanical, build your own log cabin or hand made brick house and breath pure fresh air, because you refuse to live in an urban environment, or maybe you never leave the house.
 
Sure I am banal, I am realistic and practical regarding this, I gave an explanation as to how and why this came about, but you have not given me an explanation as to how you envisage changing it.  Of course, I forgot, you say one thing and covertly do the other.  Flying your flag, while sitting at your computer, glowing in the modern darkness of your modern apartment, objecting to what none of us can change, not unless you are Bill Gates with his billions or maybe you are and can change all this.  Do tell.
 
I am wedded and afraid to leave the system?  
 
I dont live in the city, I live in a rural environment, in a timber house, with stone floors and an open fire place.  I chop wood, I dig the land and I have contact with the human race as little as possible.  Dont flatter yourself, your heart is not the only heart that bleeds.  

Perhaps I am being too hasty, ....... you live in a cave with a couple of hundred free range chickens.
 
This gave me a belly laugh.....
 
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I've always found the programmers I've met to be dull, unimaginative people, lacking empathy and bordering on altistic in social situations. The kinds of minds good at dry, tedious work, but with zero understanding of what makes humans tick.
 
coming from someone who grabs every opportunity to call a man a nigger, a jew, a retard.  
 
 
Please do not remind us of why you are here, give us a practical, bland, realistic solution to this global problem, instead of your supercilious waffling.


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PostSubject: Re: Chatbox archive Mon Apr 07, 2014 8:24 pm

Yeup...he's Satyr also.
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PostSubject: Re: Chatbox archive Mon Apr 07, 2014 8:27 pm

You are useless to man or beast.
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We are...yes.
We are anything you want us to be.

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Go combust in a corner.

I have no interest in you.
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PostSubject: Re: Chatbox archive Mon Apr 07, 2014 8:33 pm

Riiiight....
I believe you.

Maybe one of my other monikers will satisfy you?
Try me as Lyssa?
I'm good as her.

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Is she having another episode?

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Is she having another episode?

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Very emotional.
Must be THAT time of the month...when she remembers her period.

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Something to lighen moods!

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TwB., do you think any real realization is possible when things are not exposed for what they are and moods become more important?


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Right, but that's done and over with I suppose. You must admit it really is quite lovely music though.
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What 'mechanisms'? Does nature have mechanisms? We create theoretical models that are adopted if they reflect nature and dropped when they don't. But that's all they are... tiny little reflections... of a vast and more powerful reality.
No mechanisms.

Reflect what in nature, dumbass?

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You find comfort in coding because it provides a framework for a secure environment where everything is (re)programmable, whereas reality does not. You cannot control nature - especially humans - but by reducing it to an abstraction - just like they've done with DNA - you can create a safe little world for yourself, insulated from an indifferent universe.

No, I find comfort in coding because it is easy and it pays well.
I am not a programmer, I program. I am not an engineer, engineering is my trade.
It's one skill. I have many.

Anyway, from your quote, and from your opposition to reducing humans to an abstraction, it seems like you have an issue with philosophy as well. Why am I not surprised...

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To manipulate it so as to control it and make it less threatening or to use it as a weapon against others.

Perhaps you should direct your contempt toward venture capitalists.

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Make it more though? More than what? Itself?
Doesn't make much sense eh?

More as it relates to us, dumbass.
You know, simple things as keeping you from drying from a paper cut.

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Unburies?
What does that even mean?

Maybe the best way for you to learn what that means, is to pull on your neck really hard until your head pops out of your ass.

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Good and bad? What mindless cliches you indulge in.

Is there an argument here?
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Do you really think that you are isolated in your attitude regarding the treatment of animals. Is this another issue you sit in the dark about, or do you protest to your government, eat free range eggs, refuse meat, take the unwanted "pets" and give them a home. Do you knit your own jumpers, make your own soap, have nothing plastic in your home, never have
processed food, use nothing mechanical, build your own log cabin or hand made brick house and breath pure fresh air, because
you refuse to live in an urban environment, or maybe you never leave the house.

You always take the simplest, most literal interpretation from what others write. I've noticed you frequently misunderstand
them, especially when the dialogue becomes more subtle in its use of sarcasm or irony, then you lose it completely. I'll try
and keep this as simple as possible.

I'm not some back to nature reactionary neither do I lament the suffering of farmed animals. I live in a city, and would soon
be bored out of my skull living in the countryside. I need people to interact with, even if I'm only observing them most of
the time. I buy the highest quality produce I can afford. I have a farmers market at the top of my road so I eat well.

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I dont live in the city, I live in a rural environment, in a timber house, with stone floors and an open fire place. I
chop wood, I dig the land and I have contact with the human race as little as possible. Dont flatter yourself, your heart is
not the only heart that bleeds.
A man can live in an industrial wasteland, spend his life doing the most monotonous, mechanical work, and yet still be freer
in his mind than someone living a supposedly authentic existence in nature. Take Camus' Sisyphus, and recast him as a pearl
amongst swine.

These days you can buy that authentic, natural experience, add it to your 'bucket list'. But it's an anachronism. Take it a
bit further and you're living with an African tribe, in a grass hut, sticking a plate in your mouth. But the simulacrum reaches out
to every part of human existence. All you achieve by doing so is to reveal something about yourself, your essence. You're not getting back to anything. It's already gone.

My heart bleeds?
Not much and not for many.

What is it about other people that causes you so much discomfort? Or do they remind you of your own pain, the pain that caused you to isolate yourself from the world? You do not have the kind of mind that seeks seclusion for the purpose of philosophical introspection. You're too emotional, too simple for that.

No, you have been injured in some way. Rejected. You reek of it.

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Sure I am banal, I am realistic and practical regarding this, I gave an explanation as to how and why this came about,
but you have not given me an explanation as to how you envisage changing it. Of course, I forgot, you say one thing and
covertly do the other. Flying your flag, while sitting at your computer, glowing in the modern darkness of your modern
apartment, objecting to what none of us can change, not unless you are Bill Gates with his billions or maybe you are and can
change all this. Do tell.
I don't intend to change a thing.
I'm much darker than you imagine.

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coming from someone who grabs every opportunity to call a man a nigger, a jew, a retard.
Am I that obvious?

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No, I find comfort in coding because it is easy and it pays well.
You see, an easy life and money, those are the things that are most important to you. You are merely a woman who has failed to find a mate. That is enough to explain your presence here and the games you play.

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Reflect what in nature, dumbass?
Whatever the current totality of psycho-historical forces perceives as being its organizational structure little phony. Mechanism is only a metaphor, derived from our limited attempts to replicate self-organizing structures.

Means was a noble spirit.
The Navajo had a view of the world Heraclitus would've had sympathized with.
But I don't mourn their passing. Their time was up.


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You do not have the kind of mind that seeks seclusion for the purpose of philosophical introspection. You're too emotional, too simple for that.  

No, you have been injured in some way. Rejected. You reek of it.
Disappointed.
Almost the same thing.
The feeling of being denied by your own expectations.  

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You see, an easy life and money, those are the things that are most important to you. You are merely a woman who has failed to find a mate. That is enough to explain your presence here and the games you play.
Deny "need" and nobody will come sniffing between your legs for it, no?
They might mistake the hot air, emitted in polite short bursts, for something else, and sniff at the back-end where the stench of m(a)usk will dilute the estrogen; sampled deer sperm spread over breasts, from the buck trapped running in the backwoods.

The backwoods where one goes to keep in touch with relatives, before the short drive home, rejuvenated by the experience of a romp in the fenced-in wild.

Loneliness is a terrible thing...for most

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The Luddites were 19th-century English textile artisans who protested against newly developed labour-saving machinery from 1811 to 1817. The stocking frames, spinning frames and power looms introduced during the Industrial Revolution threatened to replace the artisans with less-skilled, low-wage labourers, leaving them without work, while creating a new niche for highly-skilled, high-wage machine designers.


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If you really would like to spend time with the kinds of people who design faster Machines, this may seem like some kind of imporovement.  More than, say, retaining artisans, that is.   Move that forward a couple hundred years and you have the kind of men, mostly men, that is, who can't wait to be uploaded, who are out there right now improving corn genes so that more insecticides and herbicides can be sprayed on the vegetable Machines they have created, who are Writing apps that help you unneed human Contact or a large Visual field with depth perception or a Life and who read 4 books during their entire undergraduate career.  They are good at the, yes, human trait of scoffing.  Otherwise they dislike emotions and the disorder of women, Children, Forests, Life, but they'll tighten all that up in time.   Once you cram these things into binary they are less distressing.

The researcher is thrilled with understanding the mechanisms of nature.
To understand what makes a thing be, and how to manipulate it to make it be more.
A researcher unburies knowledge that is powerful. All that is powerful has a potential to create both good, and  bad.
It is not knowledge itself is that is dangerous. It is how it is applied.
This seems askew as a response, but I can work with that. We moved from what I would call engineers to researchers. Not quite the same thing, though there can be overlap. I don't see engineers as generally interested in nature in the kind of romantic era amateur (in the positive sense) scientist you seem to be describing above. Sometimes they reverse engineer nature, but generally they are advancing technology from previous technology. They make a loom that is like the looms of individual artisans, but tweak it until it can be driven by a mill. And so on. As hammers everything becomes nails. So everything is tweakble machines based on rules already known. REality is modular. You are modular. They will get around to fixing you if they haven't already.
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phoneutria wrote:
  No, I find comfort in coding because it is easy and it pays well.

You see, an easy life and money, those are the things that are most important to you.

No.
Work is what I do to afford leisure time in order to pursue what is most important to me.
Culture and art do not flourish in a pit of hunger, dumbass.

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You are merely a woman who has failed to find a mate. That is enough to explain your presence here and the games you play

Well if that is enough, then bob's yer uncle. False, but what do you care?
Do try and keep your spite off the carpet. These stains are so tough to remove.

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   Reflect what in nature, dumbass?

Whatever the current totality of psycho-historical forces perceives as being its organizational structure little phony. Mechanism is only a metaphor, derived from our limited attempts to replicate self-organizing structures.

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The researcher is thrilled with understanding the the current totality of psycho-historical forces perceives as being its organizational structure of nature.

There, fixed you another quote. Anything for you.

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The Navajo had a view of the world Heraclitus would've had sympathized with.
But I don't mourn their passing. Their time was up.

And so was the Ludittes.


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