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PostSubject: Re: Postmodernity Sun Jul 09, 2017 5:30 pm


Zoroastrianism and Egyptian spirituality became Judaism....Judaism became Christianity by merging with portions of Hellenism (Platonism, Parmenides) and Islam, then it became Marxism, which then became Liberalism, Transhumanism, Post-Modernity, and it is still birthing variants of the memetic virus of Nihilism.
There is no limit because it is pure noetic idealism, and is not limited by natural order.
I call this last phase Modernity, as it is the perpetually current, trending, most up-to-date, fashionable variant, and so it is always Modern.

It recognizes on objective world, no external order...all is a human fabrication, ergo it can be changed, and the world can be saved from itself.

Every ideal it comes in contact with it selectively adsorbs or it inverts, to morph into a new variant.
It continuously fails when it comes in contact with reality, when it is applied and does not remain a hypothetical, theoretical, an idea(l), because ti is naive, detached, unable to deal with world and natural order.
It changes to accommodate this fact.

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PostSubject: Re: Postmodernity Fri Jul 21, 2017 10:15 pm

Marxism morphed into post-modernism, Judaism and Christianity are also morphing - reinventing and renaming themselves to hide the same nihilistic spiritual dogmas, adopting different words, and symbols to hide their identity.

Divide and control.
Slander nature as a n external, objective, source of order, imposing a limit on how to divide and how to categorize: convert all to theory, to ideas/ideals, of equal significance and validity.

Victim psychology, coming from our shard Judeo-Christian/Islamic past - straight from those declaring themselves the "chosen", by God, to suffer, to be victims.

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PostSubject: Re: Postmodernity Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:05 pm

Presumably, for Moderns, telling someone they are "wrong", or that something has been "debunked" by their official authorities, constitutes an "argument", if you do it with feeling and honest conviction.

Doesn't matter if what you think is irrational, is not supported by evidence, refers to nothing but people declaring things, using words.....what matters is that someone states it with passion, and with is well-intended.
This is what they call an "argument" requiring serious consideration and a response.

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PostSubject: Re: Postmodernity Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:31 pm

It is an argument only because the intent is not to inform, but to convert.
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PostSubject: Re: Postmodernity Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:57 pm

It's part of the magical power of words, and symbols.
They have an emotional impact, therefore the emotion they produce indicates the validity of the words/symbols, and this is measured, supported, validated, by the number of individuals that agree.

The officially sanctioned, authority, lends credence to an emotional appeal to reason, and in return he is respected, and his career and fame/fortune are ensured and perhaps increased - and his reputation is safe from communal slander.
A form of ostracizing members of a group that hurt, threaten, the group's majority.

The only thing that matters are the words and symbols, and the imagery, ideas and ideals, emotions, they trigger.

In the case of rape, it does not matter that rape, as an example, is common among many species, and not only the primate named homo sapient, what matters is how the majority is made to feel by it.
It does not matter how this can be explained, all that matter sis that it can be 'corrected' and the only way to make it correctable is to make it a social construct.
Same goes for homosexuality, and why the behavior emerges and persists, and in what conditions it does so.
Homosexuality has to either be made a genetic disposition, so they are "born that way" and not their fault, and then contradicted in transsexualism where it is a matter of choice, and therefore a "right".

All other explanations are "debunked" by their select group of social warrior "experts".

We noticed this method with the girlly that recently came here to teach us her feminist "logic", declaring things and considering this an "argument".
She presented some nameless "expert" who supposedly coined the terms alpha and beta....and then, supposedly, he or she, retracted...and this means that the alpha/beta behaviors are "debunked".
So, it's all a matter of words used, and the creator supporting them, with his will, as there si no objective way, independent of minds, to validate a theory.
If Darwin, had gone mad, or converted to Christianity in his death bed, and retracted his entire theory on Evolution, for these douche-bags that would mean it was "debunked", and so they would all have to return to Creationism as the only 'logical' alternative explanation for the emergence of life and how species evolve.
This is an "argument" to be taken seriously.

Another is what anyone wants, or wishes, or hopes is so.
Therefore if females want to escape the biological burdens of their sexual role, they must demand form men, that they adapt their behaviors to accommodate this female desire.
The girly wants to feel safe, when she goes out, and she wants to not be called a slut when she fucks different men, every night. This is her wish.
Unfortunately her biology contradicts this wish...so she demands, form men, to invent ways, technologies, to make it happen., even though men do not enjoy such privileges themselves.

It is men's fault that female become pregnant, putting a limit on how slutty they can be...so men have to invent methods to rid females of this biological limit.
and it is a man's fault that females are less muscled, slower, dumber, than the average male, so they must come up with rules, curbing a man's natural advantage, to accommodate the female's desire to feel equal.
See, men are to be held accountable for a female's genetic limitations.
and when she fucks up, men ought to provide a safe and shameless way to correct this error in judgment, so that females can remain 'innocent' and carefree, to then arrogantly pronounce themselves 'strong independent women' who intimidate men, and who, by choice, excludes 90% of men from the gene pool.

They want men to help them multiply their sexual power, and minimize the risks and the costs of this power, at the cost of a man's sexual advantages and options.

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PostSubject: Re: Postmodernity Tue Jul 25, 2017 3:12 pm

Sloterdijk, Peter wrote:
Light as the Guarantor that Beings are Cognizable
All the same, the experience that the world remains reliably visible reassures human beings that they know a familiar place well – and as living entities active in the daytime they tend to interpret the meaning of being as being-in-daylight.  This is why the early Western metaphysicians and philosophers saw the world as everything that is the case by daylight. We could almost say that by its nature Western philosophy is heliology, metaphysics of  the sun, or photology, metaphysics of  light.  That the Egyptians made the first attempts at monotheism as the monarchy of the sun god is related to this rationalized metaphysical understanding of  light. In religious history, the traces of this understanding could later be found in the Sol Invictus cult in Imperial Rome and in Mithras worship, while f rom a philosophical perspective this conception of  light lasted until the metamorphoses of  Platonism in the medieval Christian era. In the sixth book of The Republic Plato invented the famous sun allegory that laid the basis for the cave allegory, the basic theme of  all subsequent metaphysics of  light. Plato explained that aside from the eye and the visible object, a third element was needed to achieve successful seeing: light. Light is the gift of  Helios, the god of  the sky and lord of  light, who gives us humans the sense of  seeing and gives visibility to things. The sense of seeing is, by its nature, sun in its alternative state – solar flow and solar power – and therefore the
reason why the sunny eye is open to the sun.  
Seeing basically means continuation of the sun’ s rays by other means: sunny eyes shine at visible things and ‘ recognize’ them by the power of this radiation. Thinking, for its part, is only another way of  seeing; in other words, seeing in the sphere of  invisible things, of ideas. Just as Helios is the giver of light for things that are visible, in the world of ideas, agathon, the Good, acts as the central sun that pervades everything. It is what gives human beings the power of thought, and at the same time the ideas become thinkable. Starting to think about ideas with the clear ray of thought is thus analogous to looking at well lit visible things with the (heliomorphic) optic ray. And just as the latter fails at night, where we can only see outlines and the dark void, thinking fails when it concentrates on subjects tinged with the darkness of  mere opinion.
Correct (agathomorphic) thinking is seeing in the eternal daytime of the world of ideas illuminated by the Good. We can see here how optical idealism decisively makes its mark by prioritizing thinking that sees above sensory seeing. According to Plato, Helios is the image of the Good in his time, the Good that over flows from the sphere of ideas into the world of  the senses. The analogy of the sun and godliness (goodness) becomes an ontological hierarchy headed by the intelligible divine principle. This means that the newer discipline of metaphysics of  mind has superseded archaic natural philosophy – and that visible light is now ‘only an allegory’, although still an extremely malevolent, majestic allegory in terms of natural theology. It was not for nothing that medieval metaphysics was able to interpret the fiat lux of Genesis in the Platonic sense – because the creation of light and the sun are credible as the first acts of the God who was unable in His statement of  creation to do anything but represent in material form the best things, those that most resembled His essence. In a world of supreme goodness that was to be created, the most noble thing had to be created first of all, as if  light were analogous to spirit and God among the creatures of the earth, a sublime bond and medium of  nature that can be seen as the evangelium corporale by redeemed human eyes. The compelling conclusion in positive theology that God is supreme and so the creation must be optimal implies a basic three-part definition of the creation: it must have a spherical form because the sphere symbolizes the optimal shape; it must be suffused with light because light is the physical optimum; and rationally it must be completely transparent because transparency signifies the cognitive optimum. All three optimal qualities occur together in a creation that is conceived as a sphere of  light radiating from the absolute point of light, God – the sphaera lucis, which simultaneously provides the model of  the world and a reason for its cognizability; understanding the world means comprehending the radiation of categories from the single unconditional source of  light, of being and of comprehensibility.
Of course, one of the chronic dilemmas of the metaphysics of light, both in Platonism and in the Christian philosophies that rely on it, is the question of the origin and status of the matter over which the light,  as God’ s first product of creation, was initially supposed to shine. Similarly, the Christian interpretation of the Hebrew Book of Genesis must circumvent the question of what kind of waters the spirit of God is originally supposed to have floated above.

The Aesthetic Imperative

Platonic, Good, transferred to Abrahamism, is a metaphor for Order, or using my lingo patterns.
The Abrahamics took this combined wit with Persian dualism (Zoroastrianism), and Judaism, to create Islam and Christianity.  
What is called Hellenic in Christianity is Platonism - the decline of Athens producing this kind of defeatism, and absolutism.

Light, is the edge of human cognition....all other energies fall off into darkness.  
That man, as a predator, would evolve a worship of the fastest mediating phenomenon, light, is to be expected.
Light, as the fastest pattern (energy), biological life, on earth, can perceive and process, becomes a metaphor for the extent of human consciousness.
As medium, light is the inter-mediating, pattern, connecting human mind to world.
This would become God, for primitive man.
Light, the fastest observable patterns man can perceive, and by perceiving it use as medium between mind and world.  
Carnivores and omnivores use light to gain an advantage over herd manimals, who are more dependent on sound, on atmosphere, air - the all encompassing medium, a womb.
Music is important, as is language, but not as a way of clarifying, or connecting their mind to the world, but as a way of engulfing themselves in sound, immersing themselves in vibration - the Platonic "goodness" of existence as vibration.

Language remain sonar and not clear, when all that matter sis the rhythms of the sequences of words, producing particular sonar vibrations, different in every language, engulfing the individual in a sonar womb - uni-verse.
First, comes the 'word'.
Word not as connectors to reality, but as reality in itself.
Word as thing-in-itself, as God.
Word IS world, not a connection to world, an interpretation of world...but world itself.

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PostSubject: Re: Postmodernity Fri Aug 18, 2017 3:21 pm


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14:33 - Interpretation them applies resulting in cost/benefits, or in consequences that validate or invalidate to a degree the accuracy of the interpretation.

16:12 - The application of a judgments, in relation to the intent, to the objective, is what determines the quality of the subjective processing.
Whether the subjective mind can appreciate or even accept the costs as indications of its error is irrelevant, if there is no external will to protect it from them.
The outcome affects it whether it acknowledges or understands why, or not.

24:40 - Getting "what you want" can only occur if you are in accordance to an existing, independently, world. Success is not independent from world, if what you want is realistic, or within world, and your strategy for attaining it has accurately assessed the circumstances, or what lies between you and the objective - the world you must navigate to reach your goal.
Now, because the world is interactive, or Flux, navigating it requires constant adjustments - circumstances shifting as you proceed towards your goal, your objective, but in their shifting one can also recognize some pattern in the matter, or the frequency and tone, and crescendo of their shifts, so that you can predict and preempt them with an adjustment beforehand. Of course, chaos/randomness makes such predictions impossible to be absolutely accurate (no absolutes), but one can at least become more effective, more efficient in his course towards the desired goal, and then build the stamina, the power, to adapt to the unforeseeable.

27:38 - Exactly! Noumena, the mind, guides the organism, the phenomenon of body - it directs action, in an unconscious interactive world.
Noumena, or abstractions, are interpretations, the reduction of reality down to a level the brain can process, so as to make the data useful to the organism.
Noumena, represented by symbols/words, are tools, indeed, not toys, not playthings, not detached from reality like a child's toy gun - a useless imitations, artifices.

31:37 - What is a want? this is an interesting topic for me, and I've covered it in many threads.
Can't find the one where I get into the difference between a 'need', a 'desire' and a 'want'.
I use these different symbols/words to distinguish between natural needs and socially manufactured needs, I call 'wants'.
'Desire' I use to differentiate a need founded in excess, as a byproduct of lack, such as sexual desire, and a need based on lack, such as hunger.
Wants are based on manipulating and exploiting needs and desires - like how wanting a car satisfies multiple needs and also promises to satisfy desires.
The car itself, as a tool, as a social construct, is useless to us, but what it promises, is what we covet.
How, then, do we differentiate socially manufactures wants, from naturally occurring needs/desires?
We observe other species, that have no social framework to impose wants, or to exploit and manipulate needs/desires.
Now, we can distinguish between natural needs, independently from all social manipulation, and desires....from socially manufactured needs/desires, manipulating these naturally based needs.
What are needs, and desires and why do we feel them, has already been covered in another thread.
In brief, I explain the sensation of need as a sensation of interacting, and the attrition this produces - lowering the aggregate energies participating in an organism - this is interpreted biologically as need. Basically, need is the sensation or the experience of existing of Flux. Pain, suffering, being the extreme, if these needs are not satisfied quickly enough.
Desire, libido, falls in the category of excess, superfluity, as a byproduct of successful meeting needs. The accumulated excess can be directed towards growth, or stored in ready for a fight/fight reaction to a threat, or directed towards a form of externalized growth we call reproduction.

33:45 - No, science is supposed to offer a theory that is true for a longer period of space/time, without falling into the illusion that it is offering universal, eternal, truths.
World, understood as in flux, as (inter)active is a world in constant change, which may be understood by recognizing patterns that govern its (inter)activity, but these patterns are not eternal, as chaos is increasing, and all is changing, deteriorating towards absolute randomness.
Man cannot conceptualize this without abstracting it into absolutes...eternal natural laws. He is trapped within the methods his brain uses to conceptualize. The leap in cognition, which the majority fail to make, is to thing beyond, or transcending these biological methods of on/off, resulting in binary logic, mathematics of 1/0, taken literally, and dualities, and thinking artistically. Therein lies the risk. To make this leap may result in you leaping clear out of existence...as many nihilists (moderns, post-moderns) prefer to do, into pure cognitive noetic abstraction, as if the phenomenal world did not exist, imposing a limit on your artistry. A relieving, revolutionary leap out of existence, into noetic space/time, where all matter/energy changes into pure idea(l), and words are as liquid as paint - rebellion against reality, the fantasy of every young girl and boy.

34:10 - Indeed. Neo-Marxism, and post-Modernism, are one and the same. their goal is to reduce all human cognition to a social construct so as to them imply that it can be 'corrected', adjusted, manufactured, and so provided to all, by distributing it equally.
Nihilism = Marxism, and Abrahamism.
"Critique of western thinking" - Critical theory - Frankfurt School = secular Judaism (Zionism, Marxism).
Collective subjectivity - inter-subjectivity. The reduction of all to a lowest-common-denominator, to create theoretical uniformity (chaos).
"Group relativism" - collective consciousness, herd mind.

41:06 - Power as a relationship based on reality, or in reality. one cannot attain power if one has no grasp of reality, unless some intervening entity imposes a rule that alters natural processes and natural laws, to favour one group, for its own reasons.
Marxism, like Abrahamism, favouring the feeble, the weak, the diseased, the unintelligent, the needy, because these are more easily exploited and manipulated - controlled.

44:30 - Peterson admits that western tradition, after it was infected by Abrahamism, and then Marxism, subordinates itself to the lowest, the weakest, the most feeble, which leads to the very social issues he then criticizes and attempts to diagnose it from within its premises.
So, he interprets transsexuals, and the SJW's from within Abrahamic ethos, positioning himself to the right, of this extremely left pole within the same Nihilistic paradigm.

48:11 - Here Hicks comes close to a full blown analysis of power as functionality.
How do we determine the fitness of an organism? By how it fulfills its function as a reproductive type.
How do we determine the quality of an idea(l), a theory? By how close to the intended goal it comes - its functionality.
Ho to get from point-A, the present, or the manifesting past as presence, to point-b, the goal, the idea(l), the objective.
Every idea(l) must be judged by its approach to its own idea(l), and by the collateral effects, the byproducts of this approach, in relation to world.
Power is, indeed, a means, not an end....just as pleasure is not an end, but a instinctual primal, sensation of an accomplished end, the gratification of a need, desire, or the attainment of a want.
Animals can feel pain/pleasure because these tare the simplest ways to appreciate an approach to the goal, without any deep analytical thinking. an animals cannot theorize abstractly, it can only judge on the simple on/off mechanism of either/or - pleasure/pain. This is why hedonism is a regression, a degeneration.

49:20 - Hicks makes a error here by equating sub-categories of power to power itself.
You may have social power and be powerless outside society, or the society within which your social status has an effect.
Christianity attained cultural power, yet outside culture, it is useless, nonsense.
You many exploit stupidity, with an ideology and gain power, but then this power is indirect, for ti must then prove itself within world.
Nihilism is applied to take advantage of human cowardice and frailty, and stupidity, so as to then direct it to attain real power, within world - so nihilism is powerless, by itself as it proposes a detachment from world, and is only a means to an end for another mind that directs and manipulates its effects on lower, less sophisticated minds.

54:10 - Nature/Nurture only refer to the sum of all nurturing (nature), preceding the present (nurture) - a gene/meme relationship.
Mind is dynamic, because mind evolved to deal with randomness, and change.
Chaos is the factor that determines the emergence of Will, challenging, competing, resisting the consequences of past, and the ongoing forces imposing a limit upon it.
Genetics determines the possibilities of the cultivation of each trait, particular to the organism - nurture, or meme, determines to what degree this cultivation will attain this potential, and the missing factor is the dynamic processing and analysis of the mind dealing with flux, or (inter)activity, focusing (will), upon a goal.
The organism is the application of this genetic past, and memetic effect upon it.
Self is memory, in the form of DNA, added to by knowledge attained experimentally (knowledge, training, culture), but this does not mean that all is predetermines, as chaos implies that the factor of randomness is always in effect.
Chaos is what makes mind possible.
This mysterious factor is always Incorporated into what we call spirit or soul. It alludes to why there are no absolutes - no absolute order or chaos - without having to clarify it, or become aware of it.

1:04:12 - Power serves nothing and nobody but the one who has it.
it is a relationship to other, indicating an excess of energies.
Towards what end one chooses to apply power is determined by the specific goals and ideals of the mind where this accumulation of excess has resulted due to its successful application of awareness (judgment). The application of power is then dependent on reality, which is independent of all ideals and goals.
So, the accumulation, or attainment of power may be due to successful understanding of world, or it may be inherited, but the application of power may fail because it does not align with how the world works - vanity, narcissism, emotion, hubris corrupting judgment.
Excess produces a paroxysm, even when it is libidinal - see how animals, including humans, behave when they are in the throws of erotic frustration or desire.
An otherwise rational man may behave in the most irrational manner, when excess is driving him mad, with desire, with the need to expunge this excess.

14:55 -  Typical of the degenerate kind - the Nihilist: post-modernist, modernist, Marxist, Abrahamic.
The objective world is not a static, absolute. It is fluctuating, changing. This means that although no precise subjective interpretation is possible, an approach, to a degree of superior, rather than inferior interpretation is possible, and this does not mean that it is final, but that it requires ongoing validation.
There are many narratives, as all is subjective...but not all narratives are equally valid, nor are any absolutely so.
The cognitive leap from either/or absolutism, is difficult for the nihilist, because he's staked a claim on chaos, or the invalidation of all, on the basis that none are absolutely true - Left Wing, liberals, Marxists, anarchists etc.
The list goes on and on, because there is no limit to what the mind, freed from a limiting reality, can imagine or create to comfort itself.
On the other side of the nihilistic spectrum we have those who claim to know, or at least, have access to an absolute truth - Right Wing, Christians, Muslims, Jews, Fascists etc. Here Truth acts as a convenient box to jail all within its cells.
Both are wrong, though on opposite sides of the same paradigm.  
The idea(l) of a world where there is an objective reality, but this objective reality is not static, but fluid, not absolute but mutable, is where Realism and Paganism extricate themselves from Nihilism.  

1:18:00 - A hint as to how censorship works in our Modern world of free-expressions of opinions and why academics tend to side to the most popular side - in this case the post-modern, Marxist side.
Same can be said about how scientific study is reviews and censured.
In both cases a reliance on projected sales and funding is an axe hovering over their heads.
Peer pressured censorship, using reputation slandering and threats to social status as its method.

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PostSubject: Re: Postmodernity Sun Aug 20, 2017 12:37 pm



0:25 - No the roots of Cultural Marxism are to be found in the seed - Judaism, that sprang two sprouts: Christianity, and Islam.
It was in the inversion, the linguistic overturning of reality, placing the noumenon, before the phenomenon, or equalizing the two, where the seed, that brought about the root, comes from.

If we wish to take it further back, into existentialism, we can say that the fertile soil where the seed emerges is in humanity's emerging self-consciousness, producing anxiety in the ability o juxtapose self, with other, and in an increasing awareness of possibilities/probabilities, creating uncertainty.
This is the psychological soil, where the seed takes root.
The creativity of the inversion, is a method of coping with this growing awareness - a method of fleeing into abstractions, into the esoteric, where everything is possible - in other words into the absurd possibilities of imagination freed from nature: fantasy.

0:55 - Critical theory arose to 'correct' the naivete of Marxism, which was a secularized version of Judeo-Christianity.
Their method involved absorbing the lessons gained from ideological challengers, and if they could not assimilate and mutate, they had to destroy by criticizing, until all trust in the challenging theory was reduced to a point where Marxism became its equal.
Once equalization in the minds of the masses was achieved, then the advantage went to Marxism, that held a emotional high-ground with its hopeful, loving, all-encompassing, positive Utopian message.
The masses were primed for the new version of Marxism - renamed and resold as progressive, as new and improved Abrahamism.

3:36 - Oppression refers to the lowest-common-denominator, where nobody below is left, and all are equalized in a uniformity of mediocrity, or baseness.
Whomever is below becomes the new standard to reduce humanity to.
So from an upward movement, in natural selection, we have a downward movement, of social selection.
From the idea(l) that distinguishes, we must have the idea(l) that unifies, and what unifies but the interests of the lowest member of a collective, an all-inclusive collective.
Humanity = world, and world must be changed to accommodate humanity, which is now no more than an idea(l), a mystical noetic concept, with none of the natural identifiers to divide: sex, race etc.
Humanity = God, and god can be given any positive moniker: value, love, self, pleasure, etc

4:06 - Or, race-mixing is promoted as a way of peacefully, and lovingly rid humanity of the European race, now reduced down to a simple colour.

4:15 - Christianity is too divisive, because it imposes the rule of surrendering to a dogma, or a God, as part of being worthy of salvation.
So, where Christianity solved the elitism, of Judaism's denial of their mind-games to other slaves, Marxism rids the final barrier of God, as a divisive barrier.
Salvation through service, which replaces faith, and loyalty to the Abrahamic God, is how own proves himself/herself worthy of salvation, and guarantees entry into Paradise, now renamed Utopia.
It is described in the same way: no strife, no suffering, no need, no conflict, no divisions.
Also a definition of absolute order - singularity.


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PostSubject: Re: Postmodernity Wed Oct 04, 2017 10:53 am

Peterson is not attacking modernism in its roots. He is trying to still hold on. It would be nice to see Peterson confronted on his delutions. He must know he is full of shit, but he flees and seeks only confort.

Peterson's fanboys are the worst. They are cattle. They seek answers to questions they can't even ask. Because they don't understand even the questions, they mystify Peterson as a god, prophet, who knows by status alone is finitive proof of what is or isn't.

To them he is god, a man who can't be wrong, and therefore everything he says and advocates are right, ok, moral and good, and things he is opposed are wrong, evil, bad.

The only way to shatter the cattles spell/delution and free them is to shatter their belief in their god. And to do so is to expose the rotten logic of their god.
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PostSubject: Re: Postmodernity Wed Oct 04, 2017 11:34 am

I agree.
Intelligence appears god-like to those who do not possess it on that level.
Divine.
All we have to do is see how inferior minds react to Nietzsche's genius, his writing eloquence, and his courage to expose what, for them, seems unintelligible.
The man didn't say anything new, philosophically, but he did diagnose a mental disorder, a dis-ease, and brought forth an ancient world-view that had been forgotten.
And he did it with style.
He has now become, in the circles of men-children, a do-no-wrong, demi-god,. whose name is offered as evidence or as validation of whatever idiocy they wish to propose, to replicate his effect.
Peterson is now that icon, idol, to be used by lower intellects, by lost souls, mostly boys, that seek in his insights a direction, meaning, clarity.
As you said....Peterson does not go all the way, remaining firm on Abrahamism and the collective good...perhaps not to risk his career, his social standing, or because he has not made the connections.

He reminds me of MRA, in the early years, when two pseudo-intellectuals made an internet name for themselves, and acquired a following, when they said the self-evident, to millions of boys that were clueless...but they never went all the way, remaining only in the distinction between men and women. Imitating feminism.
Their insights never crossed the racial line, not wanting to disillusion a potential segment of followers, but only kept to the anti-feminist rhetoric, offering its antithesis, using the same methods, and attracting the same kind of psychologies.

This is the danger of what we are doping here, on KT...
The risk of attracting desperate, needy, minds looking for quick, easy solutions, to personal issues.
The temptation of using them to crate a movement, for gains, is always something to resist.

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PostSubject: Re: Postmodernity Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:10 pm

Post-Modernism...
Anti-realism - rejection of objective reality.
Skepticism - Narratives - we can create our own reality using symbols/words.Where God is dead, the absolute is absent, man is his own creator, his own god...and the word of god is what constructs the real.
Nurturing dominates....nothing is inherited, memory in the form of DNA is forgotten, is lost, erased.
Because nurturing trumps nature it follows that you can nurture yourself into any form you desire.
This is the empowering delusion.
Language no longer refers to natural order but to internal order....you are the world.
But you cannot be a world because despite your beliefs you are not independent and not omnipotent (lacks power), so you need others to validate this delusion....so humanity is the world
World = Humanity
Each living in his own world.  
Supporting others who are living in their own private world.
Each private reality is equal to any other.

Post-Modernists are neo-Marxists, or crypto-Marxists, and Marxists are crypto-Abrahamics.....Abrahamic nihilistic spirituality minus God, and with a renaming of Abrahamic categories.

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PostSubject: Re: Postmodernity Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:26 pm



There is no truth, so we judge a narrative (judgment) by how "interesting" it is....I would say by how pleasing it is.
Pleasure becomes a determiner of what is higher.
How interesting it is, how it can angage me and tickle me, trigger me.....determines its 'truth'.....so seduction is a factor.

Group membership means no more us/them but we are all us, or all them...no conflict.
Uniformity in absolute one or absolute nil.
I've called this pure or honest Nihilism and 'positive' deceptive Nihilism...i would also add romantic idealistic to characterize it.
It projects the idea as a fact, independent from reality.
Noumenon usurps phenomenon...and no longer needs to refer to it. Noumenon, the mental abstraction replaces appearance, what is made present...sum of all past.
Past is irrelevant, evil....all is immediate, present....no past. The mind construct reality continuously out of nothingness or out of its own pleasures, its own passions.
Nothing is determined. Man is absolutely free...we see this idealism in Sartre as well.  
Man is so free he becomes nauseated by the vertigo...and, of course, Sartre was a communist.
Marxism is a recovering Abrahamic....a mind that has overcome Abrahamic mysticism and superposition....its infantile narratives.

Philosophy is not about world but it is political, it is about humanity and how to control the masses.
Humanity is World.

World is God....Humanity is God.
Paradise is brought down to earth....but not quite. It becomes Utopia....no longer in the 'beyond' after death, but in the forever imminent future....  
Abrahamism proposes a life after death and peace in Paradise, and Marxism proposes it is a forever coming Utopia.
Time, future, replaces beyond time.



Truth becomes power...not the potential for it but its automatic acquisition.
Truth = power becomes power = truth.
Truth is whatever the powerful say it is...and not to see truth offers you power over those who cannot see it.
Truth is a fabrication not a discovery.....so if you can create truth then you can only do so using symbols/words - logos.  
Language = magic.
Using language to manipulate the world, which means humanity, you can construct your own reality....and, by discrediting language you can also erase reality.
Language is central in Nihilism.  
It is a memetic virus, a mental parasite that is transferred from mind to mind through semiotics.


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PostSubject: Re: Postmodernity Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:45 pm

Now we can pinpoint the seductive power, the meaning of power itself in the mind of a nihilist, or a post-modernist.
Power = language

How do we gain power? We linguistically declare it.
How do we apply it? We  use it to manipulate and exploit others minds - language to control.
We do so my fabricating a linguistic alternate reality that is appealing, pleasing, empowering.
How do we change reality? We change the definition of it in the minds of others.
We begin by detaching the mind from its empirical, sensual connections. We prepare the mind for manipulation.
Words are made meaningless.....so what does man/woman mean? Whatever pleases us.

We can construct our own reality using language, and by manipulating others...because world = humanity.
We cannot control world using words, but we can control or influence other minds who can understand our language.
Language triggering specific feelings, concepts, imagery, sensations.
Will to power is this....to transmit your jargon in as many minds as possible.
By doing so you've transmitted your reality....you are their god.
Your will usurps theirs. They exist in your reality.
What is perceived is ignored, or selectively integrated into the pre-existing world-view.
You can never be wrong....never in error, because you make up the rules, and you define truth in whatever way you like.
Everything you see, experience....everything that happens validates this truth.

See how seductive this delusion is?

Not a philosophy but a psychological method of self-pleasuring, of self-gratifying.
All is subjective....so you can invent your own variant, as there is no reality to contradict it.

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PostSubject: Re: Postmodernity Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:42 am



A movement away from European male way of thinking.
Post-Modernism is an attack on European masculinity.
The scientific method, empiricism and so on are replaced with more feminine and more primitive, emotive ways of 'reasoning'.
This is where romanticism fits.  

The body is more honest and wise, but it has no ability to think, so it sends its data to the mind as sensations.
But sensations are vague and can be misinterpreted.
The mind processes them by drawing from its interactions with world and its abstractions....it then attempts to rationalize the body's sensations.
At this point interpretation becomes subjective, and can be corrupted by ego.

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PostSubject: Re: Postmodernity Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:52 am

Thinking is emasculated, feminized...emotions, sensations, feelings replace reasoning.
Vagueness, insinuations, romantic language, triggering sensations, feelings, intuition, superstition all come to the forefront and replace scientific methodology and empiricism.

Clarity, consciousness are violent, a force of discrimination. All must remain cloudy, hazy to be approached using feelings where all merge in esoteric dimness.
Nothing is known, everything is felt.
Nothing is understood, everything is innuendo, prose...abstract art, nonsensical noise, hiding something profound, something deep, hiding the divine.

Vagueness, artistic innuendos, also offer an additional service the the romantic idealist.
If confronted positively, they can claim an agreement, but if confronted negatively they can claim an absence of comprehension.
Linguistic vagueness, non-conventional application of symbols/words, can serve to integrate even the misunderstanding, assimilating, attracting contradiction into its ambiguity, whereas it can repel a challenge based on this same claim, repulsing all challenges as lacking understanding.
The measure is faith....the correct attitude is one of submissiveness, a willingness to sacrifice will and reasoning to the ideal.
A wrong attitude shows faithlessness, an unwillingness to pay the price, and top submit to what offers so much or promises greater rewards for this minor sacrifice.

This is a typical trait of the Abrahamic psychology.

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PostSubject: Re: Postmodernity Mon Feb 19, 2018 9:55 am



Dennett exposes how post-moderns use convoluted language to appear more intelligent than they are, or as more profound than they are.
Simpletons hide their need for acknowledgement in linguistic bullshit.
Saad exposes what I've been saying about coveting the effect and wanting to imitate it.
The Modern is unable to attain greatness, of the social kind, because that's all they crave: social acknowledgement, appreciation, love, admiration.
They envy the icons they then try to imitate and 'surpass' by using linguistic trickery.
This is what is behind all this Nietzsche worship.

Lost men-children, falling in 'love' with an icon that tells them things their fathers cannot or did not.
The absence of traditions makes such figures dominate.
In the romantic metaphorical jargon they do not see the meaning but the method....and method can be imitated.
Using language ([You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]) is non-conventional ways and then justifying this application using rebelliousness, esoteric justifications, more convoluted jargon is an easy way to pretend you are like the icon you admire and were impressed by.
A 'son trying to emulate a father-figure' missing from his real life or not being satisfying to his emotional needs'. Rebelliousness or a revolt against conventions, can be a cry for attention. Boys trying to receive their father's attention by rebelling against him as a representative of a heritage, an inheritance.

In general such men-children will show a similar 'bro-matic' tendency towards all their relationships with the masculine. Attraction to clannish behaviour - gangs, cliques, that fill in for a non-gratifying or unflattering or absent family. Blood, genes, are replaced by ideas, memes.
They will use, almost erotic idealism to relate to other men.
They will become obsessed with certain 'masculine' icons/idols, dreaming of them, trying to emulate them, desiring to become a means towards their end, remaining trapped in their shadow; taking on the role of female, essentially. A female wants to know everything about the male she is attracted to - she calls it intimacy.
Ironically if she receives it it has a demystifying effect.
They will gush, and swoon, showering their idols with romantic, idealistic metaphors, hoping to gestate the seed this manly-man placed in their brain; dreaming of weening and raising it into something greater.
The idea becomes a bond to the master....like a child binds a female to the male that fertilized her. She ceases to belong to her bloodline, her father, and is now a member of a new branch.
Like all eros based on emotion, this can disappoint when the ideal, placed on a pedestal, fails to attain the real, or is continuously contradicted by the real
There's only so long that a love-stricken damsel can make excuses for her chosen one's inability to embody  her ideal.  
If the idol is dead, or is an abstraction the romantic idealist will continue to make excuses, because the idea can be redefined, spun into a new form in ways that a corporeal, real, phenomenon, like a living person, cannot.

A boy that loses his father when young grows with an idealistic view of his dead father. Nothing can be told to him, stories of his father's bad behaviour, and such, will suffice to break the magical spell of a missing father's ideal status in the mind of a boy.
For such a boy, or girl, all living men will be compared to that abstraction. Nobody could compare, nothing can replace the idol from his pedestal.
There's no real father, to overcome....so the boy remains stuck in adolescence.

Abrahamism presents the mind with such an unattainable father-figure, keeping it in a lifelong state of adolescent anxiety and immaturity.

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PostSubject: Re: Postmodernity Sat Mar 10, 2018 9:34 pm



Try reasoning with this ass-clown.
Molyneux tries....give him credit.

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PostSubject: Re: Postmodernity Wed Mar 14, 2018 6:22 pm

If things have been going the way in the past that they are going now then the Anglo has always been the tool and not the brains behind the Middle-Eastern shenanigans.

And, there will always be those proud Anglos who will tell you that they wanted it all, all along. Including up to modern UK with its cultural enrichment Pakistani grooming rape gangs.
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PostSubject: Re: Postmodernity Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:51 pm



Creating bullshit theories about nonsense, and then finding 'experts' or redefining existing intellectuals, in support of their ideologies.

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PostSubject: Re: Postmodernity Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:59 pm

r/ reproductive strategy, corresponding to herbivorous methods, crates a particular psychology.
It seeks to destroy the people it belongs to, so as to increase its own reproductive success.
It does not compete directly, openly, manly, but womanly, insidiously, by undermining those it cannot challenge directly.
Secrecy, the occult, is how it hides its intentions.
Linguistic gibberish, is how it hides its intentions.
Duplicity, is how it hides its intentions.
Imitation is how it hides itself....pretending to belong to the host it undermines, but never integrating into it....never becoming loyal to it.

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PostSubject: Re: Postmodernity Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:31 pm

Molyneux wonders, yes, this mouse utopia sucked, so how can we have this good utopia, the utopia that lasts forever.
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