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Truth cannot be explored without value-judgements to guide the exploration; or more accurately, “value-attributes”. Without these ‘value-attributes’ the method of inquiry becomes nihilistic because it has no relation to what pertains to the mind within objective reality. To ask why is “Beethoven’s 9th symphony “beautiful” has no chance of success without its presupposition of beauty associated with it so as to lead to a wider perspective. “Will to truth” makes of truth an ideal. The ideal cannot be the truth, because it is not attainable. The ideal can take on a form of truth so long as it remains objectively mutable. Making truth itself a teleological pursuit, forces it into a state of decline, which is the undermining of thinking processes by turning probabilities into absolutes themselves. Nietzsche’s “revaluation method”, suggested a form of irrationalism, an extreme correction based on the severity of the intellectual degradation of Christianity, in order to overturn the severity of its influence of self-defeating modern beliefs. But it was precisely the “extremeness” of this overturning method, which put into effect profound ramifications of nihilism because this method was undertaken by average minds with no philosophical temperament to grasp its meaning.

Philosophy, the creative arts, has now fallen into the hands of the lowest minds, the common minds, the simpletons, the desperate, the insane. It lost its place in the aristocratic ethos, appropriated by the inferior.
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This is how I think of transvaluation. A radical overturning of values and how to evaluate corrupted over centuries of Abrahamic nihilism.
An overhauling of everything that was taken for granted.

For me 'truth' only means a perspective which is held to be more probable - a subjective claim on objectivity.
It's value can only be a product of a triangulation with the objective as the standard of judging its objectivity.
If the objective is unreal or supernatural or irrational, then the quality of a truth remains indefinitely unresolved - forever perfect as a theory.
If the objective is within the experienced world then its evaluation is easy.

Nihilism places the objective beyond existence - defines it out of existence - maintaining its 'truths' as unresolved and eternally pure and perfect.
A form of romantic idealization.
Nietzsche was a romantic.

Science defines and describes the real, determining what is most probably real, and which objectives are within the realm of the real.
Value and value-judgements are only possible for living organisms. Only life has a goal, an objective, so only for life can the concept of 'value' apply.
A stone has no intrinsic value, but acquires value by an organism that wants to use it to build a home.

So how does 'truth' acquire value? From the objective.
If objectivity, clarity, is the goal, then truth has value.
True, morality and mythology are demystified and for the majority they lose their power.
An objective understanding of morality diminishes its impact upon the common mind - it decreases its mystical impact on minds that need this to remain disciplined to its threat/reward promise.
Truth diminishes romantic idealism.
Nietzsche was a romantic, but he could not practice it. He sought truth, and then warned against it because he saw how it worked in him; how this drive towards objective truth decreased his ability to surrender to impulses, and myths, without questioning their veracity.
He could not become Dionysian and surrender to his intrinsics and impulses; he never left myths obscure and untouched by his reasoning.
And so he never married or had children.

There is a danger in this...as Socrates also realized. The common man needs lies and myths and untruths to remain healthy and engaged and happy.

A philosopher seeks truth at the risk of his health, and survival. It's value is in relation to the objective, which is objectivity, or an approach to the highest possible point of clarity and understanding a human can attain.


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Giving yourself new objectives - rather than the ones you've been given or are popular - adjust your relationship with reality, and with this adjustment you change the value of everything, because value only has meaning in relation to an objective.
This is the arena of free-will. To will a different relationship with the world, and in this adjustment to alter your own destiny.

Belief, conviction, is an adjustment of this relationship.
The soldier, in the example given in the lecture, that believes he will survive a battle increases the possibility of this being realized; a patient that believes he will defeat the cancer he is dying from increases the probabilities that he will do so.
Subjectivity is a continuous dialogue - relationship - with the objectively real; you constantly affect world and world affects you.
This is the power of the lie, or the illusion. It doesn't actually change reality but it increases probabilities for achieving a desired goal.
Mind engages reality through the body. I think of it as a multiplier of the body's potentials.

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PostSubject: Re: Postmodernity Postmodernity - Page 4 EmptyFri Feb 14, 2020 9:25 pm

Satyr wrote:

Mind engages reality through the body. I think of it as a multiplier of the body's potentials.

I like this thought. The purpose of the myth as he discusses, also sheds some light on the objective idealism.

Mythology, specifically of pagan polytheism, sets an idealistic standard of imperfection, relating to the identity of oneself. The myth is an aesthetic of the imagination and inspires the “striving-for” of the philosophical spirit. In Christianity, nothing can be pursued because it has been “resolved” in absolute submission to a hierarchical order that one has no place in. The illusion of the myth is attainable by its representation of our longings for value and our potential.

I like to think of the ideal as the "prime mover" of oneself to attain a higher ability, the motivation for self-actualization, the powerful stimulation of action. For example, to view a mountain as a "symbol" of power, evokes a physical will, summons a physical strength to climb it. The ideal is a form of strength based on its challenge to the limitations of oneself, to overcome oneself.

Nietzsche wrote:
He who attains his ideal, by that very fact, transcends it

So, to arrive at a part of the objective is to realize a part of oneself, while remaining in a state of need, but increasing potential.
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This is why I consider nihilism as the defensive reaction to self-awareness.
The degree to which you can accept the truth about yourself determines the degree to which you will evade falling into nihilism seeking salvation in its lies.

The average man cannot tolerate too much reality. He inevitably turns to nihilism for relief.

Only a god would endure pure objectivity...perhaps an overman is a description of a mythological future man that can endure it.

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An attained ideal is, in effect, a realistic one - an ideal realized. There are no absolutes, therefore the realized ideal - the realizable objective - is like a mountain peak. There are higher peaks.....there is no end to the ascent. Once the pinnacle is attained, you've transcended it just by standing upon it - the gaze now turns upward, towards higher pinnacles, to leave this one below.

Nihilism projects the objective beyond existence - defines it - as I often say - out of existence, so as to cynically ridicule it, or to justify never attaining it, or to produce a uniformity of failure - a collective weakness.

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