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PostSubject: Re: Identity Identity - Page 3 EmptyThu Aug 22, 2019 6:26 pm

To begin to grasp the enormity of the process of identity a mind must abandon his noetic absolutes baptising processes as "wholes" and "singularities".
The Know Thyself is a command to begin the process of discovering self, as if it were some alien other.

Self-consciousness is a relatively new evolutionary adaptation, just as life is in relation to a cosmos of lifelessness.
I've identifies the emergence of this conciousness of "self" as the source of what we call "Nihilism". Beginning with a confusion, just as the one described by Jaynes as the Bicameral Mind, and developing into a defensive inversion, using words to invert the process of abstraction (noumenon) referring to reality (phenomenon), into the use of symbols/words to invert the relationship into one of referring to reality referring to abstractions, represented by symbols/words.
The real/ideal sequence is reversed into ideal/real. Cause becomes effect, and effect is converted to cause.
Instead of abstractions representing a fluid reality - via words/symbols - the fluid real becomes a representation of abstractions.
Man indirectly declares himself a world-creator - i.e., god - once god was pronounced dead - a way of saying that he's no longer needed (obsolete).

Semiology loses its original utility, becoming a self-comforting tool for political manipulation - where survival is Ensured by an external mitigating force; language becomes a tool for the production of internal harmony, reducing self-consciousness, much to the relief of the majority, to manufacture docile easily exploited masses, more than willing to surrender their will to an external protective agency.

To fully appreciate this one must abandon past prejudices and adapt a bottom<>up process of defining and exploring self.
Self loses its cohesion and becomes a tridastic concept, corresponding to mind/body/nervous system - identifying god/son/holy ghost, as its Biblical allegory.

The triad is ego/self/Self, in that temporal order.
Ego = emerging awareness of self - self-consciousness. The newest and smallest part; the part usually associated with God, in the Abrahamic sense.
all is absolute and rational....because it is of the mind's lucid part. on this level memories are called experiences.
This is also what is called the "subjective", in relation to what is not of itself (other). Here is where the will attains some degree of freedom - liberty from subconscious automated reactivity; the realm of nurturing, as it relates to nature, in the nurture/nature conflict. Memes are on this level, often competing and conflicting with genes (see below).
self = automated reactions, referring to the body - physical processes - subconscious. No lucidity required on this level....like none is required in plants or primitive life-forms.
Memory, on this level is called DNA, i.e., genetics. Inherited impulses and penitentials are a reference to this level of identity.

The third part is the greater and most mysterious, because it represents the determining determined, as past, inherited through the genes.
Referring to the sum-total of interactions that were simplified/generalized into DNA.
Self = part of the continuum which manifests in the present as 'self'. On this level we may place Jung's Collective Unconscious.
A synthesis of two organisms - in heterosexual reproduction - synthesizing two continuum into a singular flow.
How the two streams of subconsciousness merge is unforeseeable, because we can never know which parts are passed on and how they will interact when brought in contact in the foetus DNA.
Here the concepts of harmony/disharmony - referring to organic attraction/repression - come into play.
The parents may be intellectually (mental, psychologically) compatible and yet physically incompatible, or physically incompatible and yet intellectually compatible.

Here we can explore organic harmony/disharmony as it manifests in morning sickness, sexual orgasms, miscarriages, dysfunctional relationships, divorce, criminality etc.
The topic is so vast we can spend days, years, studying it and still only uncover a small part.





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PostSubject: Re: Identity Identity - Page 3 EmptyThu Aug 22, 2019 6:45 pm

If we try to understand Nihilism within the previous context, then we must put the three parts of identity in their proper temporal order of causality:
Self>self>ego

Size is used to represent degree of importance in what we call "I".
sizes differ from individual to individual, because Know Thyself implies different levels of self-awareness, so the ego may be larger or smaller in relation to the previous self and Self....or it may be corrupted by self-esteem issues, either inflated into extraordinary proportions, or deflated into minuscule ones...both incorrect in outcome.
Over-Estimating and/or Under-Estimating self, by the ego, is a corruptive factor in all individuals - Over-Estimation being the most popular, as it is a defensive measure that flatters and gratifies the ego - hedonistic.
An honest assessment of self, by the ego, produces more precise outcomes.

Nihilism inverts this sequence, keeping the dimensions intact.

Ego>self>Self.

The middle ground is the self, corresponding to the body, the physical. Here is where the inversion takes place in the nervous system.
Ego declares self God - world creator, determiner of self, and of reality. Hedonism is the criterion for self-validation.

Given that ego refers to the lucid part of self, then all that is not lucid is dismissed as non-existent, or declared to be lucid through the use of words - if you name the incomprehensible you come to believe that you understand and know it - and that you can control it.
Ego becomes drunk on its own awareness, freed from all deprecating assessments of self, or revelling in them. Everything is a reflection of the ego. World rotates around the ego. It is the centre - good or bad. It can change reality by simply changing its mind; it can resist and escape reality by not accepting it, denying it.
Its convictions become central. It stands in the way of all "evilness" - code for whatever is negative towards its well-being. It's subjectivity negates the objective world.

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PostSubject: Re: Identity Identity - Page 3 EmptySat Aug 24, 2019 8:47 am

Jung, Carl G. wrote:
It is in my view a great mistake to suppose that the psyche of a new-born child is a tabula rasa in the sense that there is absolutely nothing in it. In so far as the child is born with a differentiated brain that is predetermined by heredity and therefore individualized, it meets sensory stimuli coming from outside not with any aptitudes, but with specific ones, and this necessarily results in a particular, individual choice and pattern of apperception. These aptitudes can be shown to be inherited instincts and preformed patterns, the latter being the a priori and formal conditions of apperception that are based on instinct. Their presence gives the world of the child and the dreamer its anthropomorphic stamp. They are the archetypes, which direct all fantasy activity into its appointed paths and in this way produce, in the fantasy-images of children's dreams as well as in the delusions of schizophrenia, astonishing mythological parallels such as can also be found, though in lesser degree, in the dreams of normal persons and neurotics.
It is not, therefore, a question of inherited ideas but of inherited possibilities of ideas.

The 'Self' is potential - possibility - coalescing in the present, as present, by the 'self/ego' (body/mind) as probability.
This possibility converted to probability is where free-will intervenes through choice.

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Jung, Carl G. wrote:
To become conscious of it [the shadow] involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality…
This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
Self-flattery, sometimes taking the form of some kind of low level, duplicitous self-critique, pretending to seek what it strives to evade, is the rule.
The ego must protect itself, even from the self.
Mind becomes defensive in regards to the body it belongs to.

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PostSubject: Re: Identity Identity - Page 3 EmptyTue Aug 27, 2019 9:22 am

An [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], possible only for higher life-forms, can gain control over automated physiological processes.
Know Thyself acquires a pragmatic effect.
Body/Mind/Nervous System. The Nervous system mediating between body/mind.
Body = subconscious, automated reactivity.
Mind = conscious, intentional reactivity. Here is where Free-Will is expressed, and also repressed, via the nervous system.
Language is an expression of the nervous system, representing the abstractions collected through body of external stimuli, then externalized through a different medium, i.e., spoke utilizing atmosphere, written utilizing light and matter/energy - semiology.

How we use and understand words determine how we relate to reality.
Our use exposes our essence, relative to existence.  
For example, how we define 'free' and 'will' determines and expresses how we compare our self-knowledge with our world-knowledge.
So, it exposes what we truly think of ourselves, relative to other.

Nihilism, as I've said, is a defensive projection - via the nervous system (linguistic) - as a reaction to our emerging self-awareness and the subsequent self-appreciation this develops.
Nihilism projects into world mental constructs that do not exist outside the brain itself, and then demands that these exist independently. It expresses a need/desire, based no insecurity and vulnerability.
Nihilism is a defensive fight/flight reaction to a deep sense of existential insecurity - sometimes hidden beneath externalized self-aggrandizement, self-flattery, cynicism, narcissism, hyperbole etc.
Parasitism - memetic parasitism - has evolved to take advantage of this, as part of its own defensiveness.
parasitical ideologies evolve to facilitate parasitic survival strategies. This involves masking as the host which the parasite sues as a proxy - a stand-in, or mediator, between itself and the world it is threatened by, or that in relation to feels vulnerable and insecure.
Parasitical tribes evolve the strategy of pretending to belong to a tribe they refuse to integrate within, and to exploit the host-tribe's own existential anxieties.
In effect, a parasitical meme hides within a host, using it as a mediator, by manipulating and exploiting its anxieties, so as to cope with its own anxieties, which it has fully embraces as part of a new identity.
The only way to protect yourself from a mental-virus and the parasites that manipulate it, is to build your memetic autoimmune system and to learn to control it.
Given the nature of this parasite, using language to manipulate and to exploit, the potential host has to practice preventative strategies, no different to those used to strengthen the biological body: natural food, clean food, exercise.
Linguistically this means clean your language of all the nihilistic residue it carries by connecting as many concepts as possible, using the symbols/words associated with them, to nature; to observable, testable, falsifiable, empirical, phenomena. Train daily in the use of language, increasing your vocabulary.

This is a start.
You may still be vulnerable to parasites, in moments of weakness (stress) just as you can strengthen your body's autoimmune system but you may still,l become ill with a virus; the symptoms and the time required to recuperate will improve.
The healthy self relates to reality directly, not through proxies - no mentors, no idols, no icons, no gods....
These can only be useful as secondary sources of strength, in relation to the primary. Theretofore, if these secondary sources contradict the primary relationship, then they are to be discarded.
Pragmatically what this means is that whatever you read in text, from any source, should be compared to your own observations of reality, outside manmade socio-economic conventions; directly with nature.
Not easy in this day and age.
Contact with nature can only be possible via a different species, because only other species are free of human memes.

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Hive mind.
Distancing self from the group is still a position relative to it.
Bernays is the "father" of modern marketing and politics, as it is presently practised.
it is the manipulation of semiotics to manipulate masses of minds, without them being aware of it - with them believing they are acting do to their own impulses.
Herd psychology.
It can be traced back to species sexuality - reproduction dependent on other and, in social species, in being accepted and appreciated - but this does not go back far enough.
Mortality is the source. Sex is a response to life's mortality.
We can place Nihilism as the anxiety brought about by man's developing self-consciousness, filling him with insecurity and vulnerability, not only towards what does not belong to the group but, more devastatingly, in relation to the group itself.
Attitudes towards dependence/independence should be placed here as a product of the relationship of the individual in relation to the group - one in relationship to nil.
Individuality, in the American sense, is the destruction of all group identities so as to leave the individual in a state of desperation, seeking any group to belong to.
This is how the individual is cut away from his genetic identity so as to reattach him to abstractions, as a replacement identity.

We can include here philosophical schools, representing attitudes towards reality itself, creating a sort of group-think.
Individuals becoming willing followers of an idol/icon, adopting the lingo as a badge of identification, of belonging to that specific group.

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If we transfer this proclivity towards group-think into philosophy - or the exploration of world and reality - then we notice how the "individual" is drawn to a group, representing an attitude towards world, usually represented by an icon/idol, and are reluctant, if not unable, to connect their won thoughts to reality, testing and validating them independently.

I've noted, elsewhere, that in Modern times of diminishing masculinity and overcompensating hyper-masculinity, the individual, primarily a male, is unable to follow an icon/idol if he is not dead, or not sufficiently distanced, such as being abstracted into an ideology, a faceless abstraction, that does not threaten the ego.

When ideas, and the words used to define them, are detached from reality, they can no longer be validated by the individual independently, because they have no pragmatic reality, but remain abstract, theoretical.
The icon/idol becomes the only proxy through which it can relate to the ideology or the "philosophy" it is founded on.
In time the icon/idol is unnecessary - falling away into the past - leaving the ideology as pure abstraction, validated by every follower.
inter-Subjectivity.
Each believer, follower, of an abstraction, becomes validation of the abstraction, though each may understanding it differently - pure abstractions rely on obscurity, and vague concepts that cannot be pinned down and exposed.
Even words that can be connected to the world independent from any individual opinion, or any group think, are abstracted - detached and idealized until they are converted into an idea/ideal with no external reference.
The idea becomes a replacement for a tangible identifier, such as sex, race, tribe, blood.

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PostSubject: Re: Identity Identity - Page 3 EmptySun Sep 08, 2019 4:33 pm

This is necessary in multicultural multi-racial environments - masses of peoples that must be integrated into cohesive, stable unities.
Sex, race, tribe, blood, become distributive hindrances to manufacture uniformity, so they are diminished and replaced with an abstraction, e.g. god, in the Abrahamic sense, or "freedom", or Nation, or Individuality, void of substance.
Why are males feminized?
Because they are representatives of their creed - their bloodline - and so they disturb indoctrination and assimilation into cohesive unities of what is diverse.

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PostSubject: Re: Identity Identity - Page 3 EmptySun Sep 08, 2019 4:41 pm

The ancient Greeks thought of the citizen in relation to a city-state. The man with no city-state, had no rights, and was not even considered human.
In modern times the idea that each man can find in his own blood, inheritance, heritage, the source of his own identity, is anathema. It challenges the Globalization project - Americanism - and so all cultures must be levelled down to a product, a fashion, something that can be bought and sold, and recycled, if need be.
This is why Feminization occurs. females adapt and adjust easily, for it is in their nature.

See documentaries on other species and how females fight to protect the brood fathered by a male, but if the battle is lost they easily surrender to a new male, beginning the process again. It is the male who must die for a new male to take-over.
Not all females are similar. Warrior females are examples of females that never gave into the alien male - defending her paternal inheritance, and only accepting a mate from those related to her paternal line.

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PostSubject: Re: Identity Identity - Page 3 EmptySun Sep 08, 2019 4:45 pm

As a consequence of emasculation, and feminization, we have the increase of free-radical males - males with no genetic nor any memetic investments.
Usually attracted to revolutionary ideologies, anarchy, as a way of expressing their desire to reboot the entire process, hoping things will turn out differently.
Males with no direction, no investment, will gravitate to hyper-masculine ideals, or to a submissive, beta-male, ideology promising uniformity - their own assimilation into an idea/ideal - death wish; their own disappearance.

Beta-Males becomes fanatic defender of feminism, for example, or for the stranger, the alien male that promises to destroy his own kind.

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Identity is a continuum of memories - DNA (inherited) + experienced (first hand) + learned (second hand) = self.
Ego is the awakening to this continuum = 'I'.
Most often the ego refers to the known and the unknown (conscious & unconscious) memories that constitute its continuum as "self", though it is mostly unaware of the greater part.
Therefore, if we are to take eternal return, or reincarnation, as a fact then it still does not mean a repetition of the same life, in exactly the same way....and even if it does the self is not eternally preserved, because the continuum has been broken.

When organism reproduce heterosexually, the continuum is partly preserved.
In mitosis it is completely preserved, but affected by mutations during cellular division.
Mutations are caused when reproducing cells are affected by external energies - both ordered & chaotic, viz., interactivity.
This is the basis of natural selection.
In Heterosexual reproduction this is compounded by the factor of memory synthesis - as two DNA continuum are merged into one. A combination with unforeseeable consequences, compounded, always, by the same external influences.
When mutations offer a disadvantage they are exterminated or filtered out of the next generation - unless some external factor, such as human intervention, protects them; if they are neutral they become latent awaiting a trigger to express themselves organically; if they offer an advantage they add to the probability of replication into the next generation, and are filtered into the gene-pool.
Species and sub-species - breeds, races, etc. - are representations of such processes. The accumulated memories and mutations (corruptions of memory) over long periods of time, producing a probability arc - a upper/lower potential, within a given environment.
 
Memories are always the product of interactivity, and always a simplified/generalized interpretations of these interactions - so much data is lost in translation, as they say. The important facts are preserved in a simplified form.

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Americanism - due to its multi-cultural, multi-racial agenda, i.e., its Globalization mission - must restrict the individual's sense of identity within a small space/time period, usually beginning at birth - debatable as to when life begins - and ending at death. A shallow identity, prone to seek substantiation in others, i.e., in individuals in its immediacy, in symbols/words, in marketed products representing a collective ideal, in idols/icons representing a desirable image - promising success, i.e., sexual potentials, pleasure potentials etc.

This is antithetical to Aryan identity which includes an individuals ancestors, going as far back as possible.
This is the meaning of Know Thyself.  
There was no individual, in ancient-Greece, outside the city-state. An individual with no accepted or known ancestry was a non-person - an animal.
Animals have no sense of ancestry. Their minds, their ego, cannot go beyond, birth/death space/time dimensions.
Only man, with his emerging self-awareness, can identify with a space/time before its birth and project into a 'yet to be determined' future, after its death.

Liberalism = using an abstracted definition of freedom (absolute) to idealize divergence and unify it using a ambiguous concept. A concept implying a separation from self and from one's own inheritance; offering the theoretical ability to construct self anew - ego - from selectively appropriating and applying symbols/words.
Multiculturalism is the culture-of-no-culture, creating an ideological void within which divergence can unify in the negative space it produces - an theoretical absolute nil.
Severing the individual's ego - sense of self - from the past it contains him within the immediate, offering him products and services to fill in the void it produces.
Words/symbols substitute for what is lost, or denied relevance. Different genetic & memetic continua merge in the negative - within a shared memetic market place, dominated with product/services, sold by icons/idols, representing the acceptable idea/idea.

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PostSubject: Re: Identity Identity - Page 3 EmptyTue Nov 05, 2019 4:25 pm

We make choices all the time...only most of them are on a subconscious level, forcing us to consciously justify them.
Some cannot, so the occult is invented to explain them, and to place the blame on something or someone else.

Ego is the lucid, conscious part; self is the unconscious.
Ego is of the mind; self is the body, and more, it is the sum of all nurturing - nature made present.

Most can only identify with ego....nihilists go further, denying ego & self, or just 'self'...superficially, and hypocritically.
Self is past - sum of all nurturing.
Some nihilists selectively preserve ego as a representation of the present....while negating past and, oft-times, future, because many have no investment in it....due to their own degenerate inheritance.
As with everything...Identity is not a singularity but a dynamic, fluctuating continuum, held in the mind as a singularity.
Ego usually identifies with experiences - lucid conciousness - beginning at birth and ending at death.
This excludes the unconscious - the body, the interactions that do not register consciously; it also excludes the continuum before birth, inherited genetically as DNA, i.e., sum of all interactions, causality, and choices, both conscious and unconscious, made by the offspring's ancestors, beginning with its parents - in heterosexually reproducing species.

The nihilism negates both ego and self, though some selectively only negate the self, and preserve the ego as the agency through which they can experience pleasure.
They dismiss nature (sum of all past nurturing), and conveniently maintain nurture - subjectivity.
The body, as manifestation of past, is to be denied relevance. Only ego is to be acknowledged as pure mind.

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Envy is a form of self-hatred. Those who lack, who harbor internal voids, will seek them in others, and hate them for it, because they reflect the voids inside themselves, they remind them of their emptiness, their absence of what the other has. An enemy who respects another enemy, is a compromise made between his own strengths and weaknesses. He assents to the other’s strength and by doing so, separates himself from him into his own potential for it; he retreats into himself to better himself, based on his acknowledgement of his weakness (respect for his enemy). The one who devotes himself to conquering an enemy, does so, because his enemy is superior. It is a standard by which he measures his own worth, otherwise he would not care about him.

Indifference is the raw form of superiority, unbounded by resentment, it opens up possibilities to overcome the limitations of the self by subjugating these limitations to a spiritual codependency with strengths, a balance. Envy of another, is keeping oneself trapped in their own weakness, and making themselves weaker, while feeding into the strength of the other. It is a war against oneself.
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Iain Mcgilchrist wrote:
language, visual imagery, and all the things we thought in the past distinguished right from left – is served by both hemispheres, not just one. The problem is that we generally look at the brain as having “functions”, and if you do that, sure enough, those functions are shared by both hemispheres. But if you look, not at what the brain does, as if it were just a machine, but at how – in the sense of “in what manner” – it does it, as if it were part of a living person, some very important differences start to emerge, and a picture begins to take shape that tells us some astonishing things about ourselves and our world. My view is that the relationship between the hemispheres, like that of the master and his emissary in the story, is not symmetrical. Each needs the other; each has an important role to play. But those roles are not equal – one depends more on the other and needs to be aware of that fact. So I am not going to argue anything as facile as that the left hemisphere is “mistaken” in what it sees or what it values. It is not: but its vision is necessarily limited. The problem comes with its unawareness of that fact.

What is the left-hemisphere expansion in apes for, then? It has to do with their
capacity to form concepts, in order the better to manipulate the world. And so it
is in humans, where it is also related to our capacity for language and, literally, to
manipulation with the right hand. And the bump at the front on the right in
humans, and in some apes, is associated with a whole array of “functions” that
distinguish us from other animals and relate to our capacity for empathy: in
intimate connection with the right hemisphere as a whole, it plays a significant
part in imagination, creativity, the capacity for religious awe, music, dance,
poetry, art, love of nature, a moral sense, a sense of humour and the ability to
change our minds. The ways in which hemisphere differences affect what each
hemisphere “does” are profound.


Mcgilchrist hints at a fascinating concept of the spiritual inequality of the self in relation to the inequality in nature. The divided brain is a separated perception apparatus which must process sensual data in different ways so as to increase the “harmony” of understanding when they both take their cue from one another. One logical, the other intuitive, in tandem with perceiving and understanding.

This speaks to the nature of genius as well. It’s harmonizing of both structures to produce a precision of perception which clarifies more details about sensual data than average minds relying on one side or the other. This internal self-inequality, syncs up perfectly as the evolutionary modicum of consciousness to understand a world of chaos, and order it by using two realms of cognitive experience, different from one another. The self as a war against itself.
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