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A tree is actually not that big, volumetric wise. All the wood underneath the layers of bark are not part of the living organism. The wood is old tree cells which ceased their living and are now forming the structure on which the living tree is holding on for stability, to reach for the sun.
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Time in modern society is measured by a clock on the wall - a representation of change for the masses. One always estimates the amount of time it would it take to accomplish some end. Time, however, has been largely distanced as a natural phenomenon directly observed by most humans today.[1] Galileo, for example, used his own heart beat as a measure of time.

Sheltered minds or simpletons may reify time as something other than that which is connected to reality - something other than the measure of substantial change. With this disconnect from reality also comes a chance at nihilism to creep in and overwhelm from the smallness of the ego, the individual, compared to this imagined romantic or monstrous concept of infinite time. Other noumena disconnected like this can also provide as a nihilistic measure against which an individual can compare other more reliable noumena (and so they, top-down, attribute that first came the 'word' and then the phenomenon, a secondary effect.)

[1]: The International System of Units (SI) defines one second as the time it takes a Cesium-133 atom at the ground state to oscillate exactly 9,192,631,770 times. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]


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When connecting the noumenon with the phenomenon, do you maintain a top-down perspective? No, you face the uncertainty of accounts - that you are ignorant of the intricacies involved in a phenomenon categorized as the noumenon which you received knowledge of. For example, borrowing from a professor, a "long green wall whistle". You may concoct your own image of what that looks like so as to satisfy your uncertainties about what it is. However, when I communicate it to you, I have my own image of what it would look like. Through some argument there might be some consensus on what it should look like, by comparing it with other noumena that were connected back with phenomena we directly observed. However, we still would not have observed the phenomenon of the wall whistle ourselves.

Here is where courage comes into play - the ability to humble yourself before your own ignorance of the world and have confidence only in that which you have a cold, clear and concise understanding of. Of course it is a measure of degree - only the cowardly would say that because it is a measure of degree that it becomes 'subjective'. Uncertainty is at play in every experience of the world and yourself - being unable to manage your fear is how you blindly pursue disaster, by not knowing what you do not know. As the chimp has in his signature about the burning impotence he feels against the world - fear (flight) and anger (fight) is the result of this confrontation with a reality you were unprepared for.
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Sheltered minds or simpletons may reify time as something other than that which is connected to reality - something other than the measure of substantial change.

That brings up the question of the value of change for an individual, within and without.
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Anfang wrote:
A tree is actually not that big, volumetric wise. All the wood underneath the layers of bark are not part of the living organism. The wood is old tree cells which ceased their living and are now forming the structure on which the living tree is holding on for stability, to reach for the sun.

I wonder if you're implying, or even if not, if one can take that as a metaphor for one who must live off the products of his past labors or products of the possessions he gathered.
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A tree is actually not that big, volumetric wise. All the wood underneath the layers of bark are not part of the living organism. The wood is old tree cells which ceased their living and are now forming the structure on which the living tree is holding on for stability, to reach for the sun.

I wonder if you're implying, or even if not, if one can take that as a metaphor for one who must live off the products of his past labors or products of the possessions he gathered.

I was actually thinking of limits to size of a living organism and that a plant for example needs a lot of surface area and can't afford to keep a lot of plant material alive if it doesn't contribute to the energy gathering and the water and nutrient supply.
But after reading it over I could see how it also can make for interesting metaphors. Haven't thought of the one you posted but yes, I think we build houses and tools and even pass them on to future generations which is required for their survival. But at the same time too much or the wrong kinds of tools and possessions might actually be detrimental in some ways.
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A tree is actually not that big, volumetric wise. All the wood underneath the layers of bark are not part of the living organism. The wood is old tree cells which ceased their living and are now forming the structure on which the living tree is holding on for stability, to reach for the sun.

I wonder if you're implying, or even if not, if one can take that as a metaphor for one who must live off the products of his past labors or products of the possessions he gathered.

Head-hunting was the result of an old belief that the 'sap' of a 'person' all concentrated in the head.
All of the personality rested on the peak.

Would we call a man in coma, a 'person'?

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Slaughtz wrote:

Sheltered minds or simpletons may reify time as something other than that which is connected to reality - something other than the measure of substantial change.

That brings up the question of the value of change for an individual, within and without.

Change is a comparison of the order/disorder within a geometrically, three dimensionally, defined area compared to another. The brain itself resides within such a space - and the cells within, the atoms within, all occupy space-time, or space-[space-change], where change is (in the instance of our own minds) an instinctual construct of the human animal's mind. We see other animals have time (change) perception as well when they judge movement of prey or predators or squirrels remembering where their winter cache is. Without memory, there's no place to store empirical data and then reference it later for a comparison to the changed circumstance. 

The future, when constructed by a human, is usually done top-down. They imagine their prediction and then work backwards to see if it would connect with the present. Whereas, with the past, we have a more direct memory/experience of it, we can project ourselves from the present backwards through our experienced time (change). However, the same top-down can still happen with the past as it does with the future when we take some account of the past and try to connect it compared to what we know up until the present.

If you are sheltered and allowed to live a hedonist lifestyle then why would you want significant (for yourself) change? Change, to the sheltered hedonist, is undesirable. Never experiencing austerity, no significant pain or trauma, there becomes no reason for them to harden their resolve or their bodies. Suffering, again, a price to pay for acquiring a consciousness/awareness about the value of asceticism and athleticism. Negative change can be turned into a positive change for those who prepare against it. This is because it increases their own power as they curb future suffering that others don't curb or prepare for. Competition - others suffer for their lack of preparation and as a result more resources or leverage could be made available to you.

(Side note: How do you make a population reside here? Tell them their suffering isn't real - tell them it is an unprovable anecdote. Then, direct what can be considered real or legitimate suffering to formulate what their enemy is. Today that's suffering as a result of racism, etc. It is invalidating the individual for the sake of improving the whole. Utilitarianism as a means of, today, marxist reform.)

Without suffering, viscerally experienced, a person may more easily escape into nihilistic despair or gluttony. Even the most sheltered, though, will value some sort of change. You see this in spoiled brats. Their event horizons may be low because of the lack of discipline, but they still wish for there to be accommodations made for their whims. When the structure of the privilege is threatened, you'll see them desiring change as well - to get rid of the threat of that change, to maintain their lifestyle. What is insubstantial is the spoiled brat themselves, as they've lived a life of decadence - they have no weight behind their commands that aren't the result of some other enforcing it. They remain a manimal. Their structure doesn't change but their immediate experience does.

The infinite conception of time is used as an excuse for behavior, by ignoring degrees of certainty. A simplification as justification:
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A simple manimal lives for the moment, and so is in the moment.   
Of course it is easily contented, though temporarily, because it perceives and/or acknowledges nothing beyond that temporal box we call the moment.

If time is to be brought to its attentions it must be threatened with....yes eternity....or promised what?...yes eternity.
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It's easy to hate with the sword says the weak swordsman.
It's so easy to hate with words says the weak wordsmith.


When you have no authority over the other, be it physical authority or moral authority or rational argumentative authority and so on then you try to turn your opponent's strength into a weakness.
One way would be by posing a challenge that the other cannot beat you, he can only do so with words, or only with a sword, or only with bare hands, challenging the other to prove himself in other ways.
His sportsmanship, which was part of making him strong, is used to taunt him into losing or resignation.
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What does a modern/nihilist say against race realism?
Hater, Nazi, they recall the holocaust, all emotional triggers, or they attack you personally, trying to "expose" some dis-ease, explaining why you would say such things in public, with such certainty.
Do they offer an alternative method for speciation - the gradual, producing genetic drifts, and intermediate forms, before a total reproductive rift is made, perceived as apparently different?
Because appearances do, indeed, matter.
No....humans are excluded from what applies in nature, and to other species.
They are far too complex and different, in ways these moderns cannot describe, or justify, but only allude to, as if this self-flattery can sway any "healthy, civilized, well-adjusted" mind.  

What matter is that a hypothesis leads to good feelings, or to a possible solution.
Anything negative with no solution must be kept inside, a secret, ashamed of, as if it is a form of self-deprecation, and self-deprecation.
In politics this create a voting mass of narcissists and schizophrenics, casting their vote to whomever silences their internal doubts, and reinforces their grandiose self identifiers- I am what I SAY I am!!
I am lord and master of myself.

The moment they fail to find a counter argument among the m,any ones others have given them they resort to the emotional triggers, or begin to assault the individual making them resort to such methods.

In the not too distant past the forbidden topic were religious - Abramic nihilism the no-ass zone. today Islam displays this same slandering of infidels, as animals, as destined for hell etc.
In the western secular variant of nihilism (we've progressed) the topics are race, sex, homosexuality, connected to sex, and so on...
anything that does not provide blanket coverage and salvation to all.
Cosmopolitan Judaism = Christianity
The idea(l) is that all must find what they most desire, if not in the afterlife then in this life.
Nature be damned.
Anything standing in the way of this universal rule must be "corrected" changed for the "better".
The onus placed in other, rather than self.
The other owes them the better, the good lie, the pretense; the world owes them happiness, a child, fame and fortune, if not universal morality, a ready made meaning, love, a purpose, a God, value as a starting given.

The automatic connectors, like Pavlovian training, triggered by particular words, and possibilities. say something about race, and you are immediately accused of hatred or inducing violence, as if admitting that race means something is automatically a call to kill and harm.
Say something about homosexuals and/or women and their nature.
Imagery in their heads popping up automatically, violence, beatings, etc.
The most base using the base as a standard for evaluating the validity of a hypothesis: if the vulgar and the base use this as an excuse to express their inner spirit then the concepts are to blame, because all men are created equal and are equally good - a tabula rasa words can change into animals, if not manimals.

Christian do not trust all who are not Christian.  
They use their own experience as a standard - they are good only because they fear God, and therefore all who do not share in their fear/hope in god are prone to being manimals like they will be without this conviction.
Muslims distrust all non-believers, as to Jews, thinking of them as animals, because without god they ARE no more than that.
The Modern would be hateful and violent without the delusion of humanity and parity, and the threat of LAW.
if he was not convinced that appearances are superficial and all is a social construct, in other words correctable, they would revert to their true essence...their pure spirit = past/nature made present.
All is nurturing BECAUSE without it they become less than the lies they learned to repeat and act-out - without the correcting nurturing aspect they become heir nature.

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By enshrining competition as a virtue, capitalist society has made compatriots of those who push you down for their own advantage—those one would rightfully call rival, enemy or nemesis.

By enshrining competition as a virtue, capitalist society has made rivals of those one would rightfully call compatriots.
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The game is rigged...unlike in nature.
The offspring of the dominant will inherit this status and not earn it.
The system ensures that no radical social mobility occurs, it invents the middle-class to prevent the older divisions resulting in revolution, and then employs brain-washing to make individuality (divide and weaken) a virtue of me-me, and ambition relative to popular appreciation (fame & fortune), creating minds that associate popularity, selling self, evidence of personal quality.
In contrast to [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] the ariston is not determined by man relating to nature but man relating, seducing, exploiting adhering to the tastes of other men - humanity.
To be popular means to be good, and money is the code measuring your value.
Selling yourself, being useful, to the many, becomes a virtue all have access to - principle of prostitution.

One must convince as many as possible that he offers a utility they need, by connecting utility to their human nature, which is then denied existence (man is too complex to be understood).
This makes him a conduit they must pay to use.

For example owning a sportscar is a reflection of a male's sexual and social potency - his penis externalized - its price kept artificially high to make it inaccessible to 99% of the population.
Rare, exhibiting the implied uniqueness of the one who owns it.
The tool of automobile, connected to sex and reproductive options. Anyone can buy one if he pays his dues to the system - earning through service he acquires the symbolism of dominant male, though he may be less than fit in every other way.

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Order is not law but power, and power is aberration. For Nietzsche, for Freud, and then for Bataille, this is the background against which desire is to be thought. The mega-motor." [Landa, The Thirst for Annihilation]

Can we not infinitely imagine in regress the basest of all of nature to use as a standard against which to see order? Is an oxygen atom not orderly against a vacuum or an ingot of gold orderly against the ocean?

The basest unity we measure ourselves against is a symptom of our consciousness. Consciousness, being about seeing differences in the present, enable more elaborate future projections/probabilities. The more differences accounted for in the present, the more concentration, refinement, of your will may take place as a projected order(ing), enabling one which endures longer. For "elites", they measure themselves against the whole nature of the human animal so they may come closer to ascending it. 

What does the modern measure themselves against? Magazines, pop-culture, glitz and glamour fed to them to keep them sensational - all senses, in the immediate. All flashy and elaborate without substance - awe inspiring (giving the impression of significance) like fireworks during InDependence Day. Consumer drones, hedonism, etc. The basest of order is those fleeting memes and flashes of light and stardom. They're not above cows, blinded by positive reinforcing messages as the bovine would when it sees a lush field.

But how does this relate to nihilism? The abyss - is it not an imagined absolute nil? To try and fight against this monstrosity would drive a man to nihilistic passion - which what may be called the modern Marxist's affliction, reducing all identifiers of self to the basest of orders they can perceive. They see themselves as allies with even an oxygen atom - perhaps even ignoring mustard gas and any other toxic substance. No doubt, I'd expect them to treat neurotoxins as if they appreciated it for how it provides a contrast to their pleasure-seeking.

On that last note about neurotoxin, I'm reminded of a deity from fictional lore WH40k, Slaanesh. God of hedonism:
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The lore of the sci-fi WH40k universe is interesting. I'm only loosely acquainted with it, however.
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Procrastination is the result of one refusing to cut their losses. They refuse to cut their loss on the time or opportunity of which they prefer to perform over another aim: whatever it is they are procrastinating.

Opportunities are limited, of course. What is constantly being measured during procrastination is what behavior is most suitable at the moment to increase opportunity. With access to something like the Internet, procrastination becomes easy. Gratification is instant and opportunities are perceived as boundless.

Whatever it is being procrastinated is likely perceived as mediocre or bland. Some say it is a result of being too easy, not challenging enough, that procrastination takes place. Usually, this is the case. However, not in the sense intuited. While a project may be difficult, it will still be procrastinated if fundamentally the person sees their time has a potentially better pay off elsewhere. That is, it will be procrastinated if it is not challenging to their specific interests, but is only (as a task) more difficult.

In a sense, the more comfortable the individual is, the more sensitive he can allow himself to be. Arrogance is a consequence of fragility. A degree of arrogance is involved in every choice made, cutting off other potential actions (such as that project) in favor of something perceived to be more rewarding.

What makes procrastination a "refusal to cut these losses"? It is the nature of its enactment. Procrastinators do not simply choose to enter the "dark playground", or their distracting activity. They fret and have anxiety the whole time they are procrastinating, usually to the point of staying up late or otherwise having ill health effects. This is because they know they should be doing something else, the whole time they're fucking around doing something they perceive as more rewarding. They will usually tell themselves "Oh, I will start in a couple minutes/hours" and when that time comes they felt the reward or perceive the pay off to be closer/more immediate with the playing activity than with their promise. A justification comes, like "After this video" or "I have to finish the series, maybe there's an unexpected but helpful reward at the end."

Most of these procrastinators think that if they can try to convince themselves that the activity they perceive as rewarding is not so rewarding, they'll be able to cease the procrastination. While this may be true, usually they're unsuccessful. The reason is: there are reasons that they perceive the play activity as more rewarding than the work activity. Reasons they're probably not even aware of - such as entertainment videos which are set up to be addictive or attention grabbing. Also, deeper anxieties can come into play, that they're afraid of facing when they're not distracted.

So how do you choose to do that project if you're a procrastinator? You choose it. You cut your losses of the opportunities that passed you by, or you panic to get it done. So long as you're holding on to old anxieties (which are likely very real) you're going to find much more resistance to being responsible with your time. If you can do something about the anxiety but it's too large for you right now, then procrastinate that one anxiety. Free up your time to address the anxiety/project that you need done now. That means making a judgment call - a very real and final one - on what anxiety is most pressing to you. If you do not allow yourself to procrastinate the larger anxieties, they will not go away. They will remain with every other anxiety you concern yourself with.

However, will that not increase the severity with which you assign the play activity? By decreasing the work activity's importance, do you not give more influence to that of play? If you allow "play" into the calculation, yes. However, notice... now you're thinking rationally and asking good questions. What for? To know more so you may better come to a decision on the right course of action. With that same mind, look at your decision between play or work. Which one is the correct course of action for you?

One is habit, the other is new. Yes, new. Is that not exciting?

Of course, I used "mind-tricks" in the latter half of this exposition. If you want solid evidence for what is the superior course of action, that's your business. I simply got carried away with my own thoughts. I wanted to explore how the solution to procrastination might be the cutting of your losses and what the cutting of your losses actually meant. In either case, play or work, you lose real opportunity. The question is, which one is worth losing?
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Indecision can be seen in terms of one's self being split and fighting for control. Indecision can be avoided in most cases by actively making evaluations before one is stressed to act overtly. Basically, the difference between coming to a conclusion before stress and being indecisive during stress is that of a slow battle which may be seen more in terms of posturing than violence and a fast violent battle, where even the winner comes out weaker.

When one half wants to do something and the other half doesn't, then the passive half is at a disadvantage. His goal is inactivity itself and so will never be finished as long as the other half's goal is activity. So if the stress is already there, to avoid the damage of indecision it's just a matter of the active half waiting until it's most strong at the moment and the other half weak. Basically, not even to fight but just to overrun and move right past the other half when he's caught off guard. Whether this method makes the issue come to a conclusion faster or slower depends on the situation. In dire times one side must put everything on the line in order to overcome the other half, leaving both sides with injuries that will last long after the ordeal is over (internal stress, and the health effects that it provokes, such as chest pain, ulcers, difficulty sleeping and general emotional disorders), but if the situation is less dire, the actual battle may take longer than simply waiting would.
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Slaughtz wrote:
Lyssa wrote:

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Order is not law but power, and power is aberration. For Nietzsche, for Freud, and then for Bataille, this is the background against which desire is to be thought. The mega-motor." [Landa, The Thirst for Annihilation]

Can we not infinitely imagine in regress the basest of all of nature to use as a standard against which to see order? Is an oxygen atom not orderly against a vacuum or an ingot of gold orderly against the ocean?

The basest unity we measure ourselves against is a symptom of our consciousness. Consciousness, being about seeing differences in the present, enable more elaborate future projections/probabilities. The more differences accounted for in the present, the more concentration, refinement, of your will may take place as a projected order(ing), enabling one which endures longer. For "elites", they measure themselves against the whole nature of the human animal so they may come closer to ascending it. 

What does the modern measure themselves against? Magazines, pop-culture, glitz and glamour fed to them to keep them sensational - all senses, in the immediate. All flashy and elaborate without substance - awe inspiring (giving the impression of significance) like fireworks during InDependence Day. Consumer drones, hedonism, etc. The basest of order is those fleeting memes and flashes of light and stardom. They're not above cows, blinded by positive reinforcing messages as the bovine would when it sees a lush field.

But how does this relate to nihilism? The abyss - is it not an imagined absolute nil? To try and fight against this monstrosity would drive a man to nihilistic passion - which what may be called the modern Marxist's affliction, reducing all identifiers of self to the basest of orders they can perceive. They see themselves as allies with even an oxygen atom - perhaps even ignoring mustard gas and any other toxic substance. No doubt, I'd expect them to treat neurotoxins as if they appreciated it for how it provides a contrast to their pleasure-seeking.


Yes, its against a homogenous background distinctions and pattern differentiations can be made. In the absence of god, the value you create [WTP] clearly expose you for what you are. Its in the sense of maximum freedom, the assertion of one's spirit, demarcations of the quality of each morality, each ideal betrays itself.

Reality consists of an upper limit and a lower limit.

The lower limit helps you assess the state of a society for example based on its most diseased members, the utter low of the majority, the lcd, the prevalent rule that has become the norm.

The upper limit helps you assess health based on the highest standards that have been attained, the exception, the peak value of the highest ideal attained.

The best objectivity takes both limits into account when making a value judgement. Because it isn't enough to see what kind of worms find refuge in a place, but also be able to understand the upper bar of the highest creature that interdependently adapts itself there and overturns it to its favour.
Objectivity must keep sight of what kind of exceptions are nourished by what kind of rule?

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Great post, Slaughtz

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I think it merits its own thread, both quantitatively and qualitatively.

Many other great posts have also been 'lost' in this thread.

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100% of humans, animals, and organisms were infants and newborns at some point.
80% made it to childhood.
70% made it to adolescence.
60% made it to early adulthood.
50% made it to maturity and adulthood.
20% made it to late adulthood.
10% made it to the elderly age.

Now apply this formula to maturity and ideas. If most of the modern world remains stunted and infantile in growth, then so too will their conceptions of "Love" or "Hate". So when the average Modern says 'Love' or 'Hate' then these are not mature uses and analyses of the words, they are the infantile uses. They have no wisdom, no great knowledge. The Modern uses "love and hate" as a child would.

The Modern doesn't receive his/her cookie of the day, and he enrages with "Hate". You're a "Hater!" for not agreeing with everything he says. Again, what the Modern knows of "Hate" is infantile, like a child. She doesn't realize nor recognize any mature form of love and hate. She will probably never reach that mature or heightened state of wisdom.

She will never understand "deep love" or "deep hate". People are surprised my crimes, rape, murder. Because people are surprised by deeper hatred and contempt that builds, over a lifetime. When you realize and accept that Moderns operate from the infantile conception of love and hate, then you can make better sense of their rationale, their motivations, and their accusations.

For them, "love" is being patted on the head and being called a good boy or girl, like a pet animal.
For them, "hate" is being deprived of their cookies and milk, and seething vengeance over the want for a cookie.
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Yes, its against a homogenous background distinctions and pattern differentiations can be made. In the absence of god, the value you create [WTP] clearly expose you for what you are. Its in the sense of maximum freedom, the assertion of one's spirit, demarcations of the quality of each morality, each ideal betrays itself.

Reality consists of an upper limit and a lower limit.

The lower limit helps you assess the state of a society for example based on its most diseased members, the utter low of the majority, the lcd, the prevalent rule that has become the norm.

The upper limit helps you assess health based on the highest standards that have been attained, the exception, the peak value of the highest ideal attained.

The best objectivity takes both limits into account when making a value judgement. Because it isn't enough to see what kind of worms find refuge in a place, but also be able to understand the upper bar of the highest creature that interdependently adapts itself there and overturns it to its favour.
Objectivity must keep sight of what kind of exceptions are nourished by what kind of rule?

Whatever your lower limit is, is the determinant of the quality of your consciousness. All who participate in quantitative strategies must make compromises in quality of consciousness, distinction. If you are to identify as a human, an animal, a plant or a rock... as the animal, you would see no significant differences between cow and human. That is a very rough example of what I was saying.

I did not think of an upper limit, perhaps because I like to imagine myself participating there.
I try to contain my gasconading but it appears, from my own incredulity toward your own exposition, that I let it slip through unintentionally. Embarassed

But yes, if one is to imagine there being a lower there must be a higher of which they compare to. The higher appears to be ignored by the modern, which tells me they have the same illness as your own exposition revealed about myself. They are the upper limit to themselves.

What nourishes more for the upper exceptions compared to the lower exceptions? The average will nourish from the lower and the higher from the average, and so on. Which, makes it occur to me how communism is the inverting of this natural order. To each according to need, from each according to ability. Somehow, to make the lower be nourished off the higher. Flipping of the ratios between the shedding of excess ("kindness/selflessness") and nourishing the self. A disease, truly, to make the host sickly.
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Great post, Slaughtz

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I think it merits its own thread, both quantitatively and qualitatively.

Many other great posts have also been 'lost' in this thread.

Thanks. It would fit under a thread titled "Modern Diseases", "Procrastination" or perhaps even Satyr's thread on Nihilism's signs and symptoms. I just hadn't fleshed out the idea as completely as I had wanted at the time to make a thread and I still haven't, but I wouldn't object to it being moved into its own, either.

There is a hesitancy that comes with the forum being qualitatively minded over quantitatively that I hesitate about cluttering the forum with new threads.

Procrastination is an interesting subject to me, since I am still doing it, despite my exposition on it. There's concepts such as "living for today" and nihilistic dismissal of future consequence and how modernity not only enables but encourages it. That is just a cultural analysis, though. The real issue comes down to the individual and their courage. When it becomes too much to bear, they'd prefer avoiding responsibility, knowing it might break them (their ego). Avoiding or putting off trauma so that they might find a solution elsewhere before it happens. When in panic mode (right before the due completion of the work/project), they don't seem to see the irony that the project didn't break them at all but yet they continue to fret the same way over future projects.

Honestly, if there is no threat to their livelihood, they are not going to take it seriously enough to work on it. When their life is not threatened (I can just be a bum or work at McDonald's), when they're sheltered, why bother? The only thing that was making it as good as death was when people were discriminating - they saw the poor as lazy or unfit, they saw the uneducated or uncultured as too socially inept - a sexual death sentence.

For "men", though, I think the costs are becoming too high. They would rather be poor than lose themselves/their sanity. You see rich white guys kill themselves over the smallest of hiccups in their life... the smallest stress. For example, the man who killed himself over a crushed phonel They maintain a fragile balance. Without outlets or perspectives for meaning behind their sacrifices, they aren't going to be able to make those sacrifices without having that same fragile balancing act. This is the result of not knowing yourself, your history - no perspective on what you're bleeding for, dying for... you need to reserve more "me" time.. hah. Most of it is, of course, just not wanting to pay the costs associated with preserving yourself into the future.. yourself with the past that made you and the things/tastes you hold dear. You don't want to take the losses. Which is why to solve procrastination, you need to cut your losses... no shortcuts.
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I always though the term 'cut your loses' was related to attempting to forget about past situations one perceived as mistakes, so as to better act in the future. Ideally where this idea is useful is if one is in a fight for many things one values greatly, even survival, then loses much during the fight, but not all, one will need to delay the stress and energy use of regret until the danger is past. And then where this idea is often used poorly, to no benefit, is during situations such as gambling, where one 'cuts his loses' (my definition) in order to be able to enjoy gambling what ever he has left. Or it's used poorly during broader life situations where one tries to fool oneself into thinking that he'll never have to deal with the stress and energy use of regret, but can just magically 'move on'.

According to a search engine it means, "abandon an enterprise or course of action that is clearly going to be unprofitable or unsuccessful before one suffers too much loss or harm."

I now realize that is what you meant, Slaughtz, the mistake was mine. Though with a stretch my way and the normal way of defining it are very similar. In my way, one may cut his loses (the term used in the normal way) regarding spending one's time on regret, so as to continue with what one was otherwise doing, even if that course of action was unwise.
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I put some of my responses to Slaughtz's writings in my thread.

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There are things, certain actions, certain media which make it enticing to 'procrastinate'. Are there also other actions, a different kind of music, art, which is moving people away from procrastination?
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A man loves what he truly owns, and owns whole. If he only owns part of something, a piece of it, then he cannot love it fully.
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Females are naturally cannibalistic. On lower rungs of evolution, a female will either take resources from a male indirectly (accepting food given to her) or indirectly, simply eating and consuming the male and taking all the resources for herself.

Higher up on the evolutionary scale, this appears as human animals "kissing" each other. Kissing is an act mimicking consumption, eating, devouring another. Females devour the male, symbolically. When a female accepts a man's kiss, she accepts his sacrifice unto her. And when a male desires to kiss a female, again metaphorically and symbolically, this is his "self-sacrifice". He offers himself, as a sacrifice of resources, to a woman.

Kissing mimicks the act of cannibalism that is more commonly and routinely found in lower evolved organisms, insects, plans, and bacteria, where the females act as the "K-type" agency, consuming their own body in order to survive a time of resource scarcity.

A similar metaphor and analogy would be how the human body "burns its own fat" to create muscle. This is another form of the body "eating itself", cells consuming its own flesh.
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After a female loses her virginity, she can never be fully owned by another male. The first male a woman gives herself to, in this Modern era, symbolically "owns her" forever. She cannot lose her virginity twice. And so, she loses part of her natural self, whole self, and complete worth. Each sex act, and each new male, devalues her. She loses sexual value over time.

With a virgin, you can build a skyscrape, a tower, a castle, anything your heart desires. But with a slut, a promiscuous woman, you can build an apartment, a small house, a mud hut. Something small, limited, and ugly. Nothing grand or magnificent can come from a promiscuous woman.

However reality often focuses men to "settle" for second best. Reality will dictate, to seed a lower woman when higher women are out of reach, or simply, non existent.
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Terrorists terrorise because when they look into themselves they see that terror would work on them.
To fight terrorists requires to terrorise them. That's also why any dictator in the Middle East needs to terrorise its own population when required to maintain order. Comparably, this tactic wouldn't work as well in the West.

To fight a shitlib you have to take the moral high ground away from them. That's how they attack and they do so because it's their own weakness.
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The condition of the Modern is misery, sadness, and despair.  Negative emotions.  You can observe how Moderns are obsessed with finding "joy" and "happiness" in life.  Why are the obsessed with "being happy" all the time?  24 hours a day?  Why does the Modern need joy in his/her life, except, to balance some skewed or diseased state of emotions?  To me, personally, an individual seeking "happiness/joy" all the time in life, through drugs, hedonism, narcotics, television, information stimulation, is Depressed.  Internally sad, seeks external happiness.

Maybe manic-depressive because I don't think socially incapacitated person can even seek external happiness.

Mostly it's just these people who are not completely happy with their lives, but they don't know why so they try to fill the void, boredom....And there are people with dull jobs who have become tired of their lives.

And I do not really understand what is "sadness", maybe it's just people have so high expectations that they become to believe that their lives are miserable.
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Who more would have as their interest having you believe that everything meaningful about you is a social construct than those participants in an institution which have the most power to structure the social aspects of your society?
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Those who say to raise the common man first, to raise all before the self - they reject the male seed, which was borne with ability to impregnate all women and create men under him.

You may resent these "men", who tell you to spite yourself. Especially those whom you held in confidence. What other intent do you know intuitively which makes you resentful toward them than that they work to level you down and tell you that from the nourishing blood of your flesh, you raise yourself and everyone else with you? [They may instead criticize not to level you down but to show you where not to build up] Indeed, your own blood does make you float, but its ocean exists only after you have been dismembered.

The raising of other is, as Satyr has said, to shed excess. A part of this excess is also having no worthy opponent to fight, and raising one yourself. A balancing act, where one must be careful not to lower themselves such that a victory over them advanced nothing. [A similar appeal to the Warriors of Europe today? That the Jew says to raise the black man, or the
Muslim, so you may fight it.]
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