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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads Mon Aug 22, 2016 1:38 pm

To grow, to gain, to become powerful, is to take great risks to take and attain something that any organism already lacks. Yet life is a risk in itself, already. Thus there is no point to deny, or to hold still to fear in the face of such risks, because by living and life alone, the risk is already made. You have nothing to lose, except time, and the inefficiency of unplanned risks.
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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads Mon Aug 22, 2016 2:29 pm

Satyr wrote:
A memetic virus is carried in every living organism as a reaction to world.
In this case the reaction is one of negation, then directing the organism to manufacture what virus negates.

Perhaps:

The same way we stop our hands from moving to the proverbial cupcake,  by saying "no, dont" with our higher faculties... is the same way we negate the world.

We perceive something true that is hurtful to us and we negate it.. upon negation, we determine/imagine our own response to it being negated (along with the suffering/anxiety) and if it is positive, then we seek its destruction. (Binary absolutes)

The negation of all flaws is highly desirable... all ills and all weaknesses made irrelevant. That would be the seductive aspect of nihilism.

For those that don't or can't pay the costs, they try to pass that off to others through social infection. For those that can pay the cost and be satisfied with what opportunity they have, the projected outcome from their own adaptation, they do not need to collectivize the costs. Those in privileged positions (socially and genetically) can achieve this more easily, so they are required to consume less to do so.
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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads Thu Aug 25, 2016 4:38 pm

All Desires lead to what already is.

If a person truly desired something or somebody then s/he would already have it.

Thus all idealism is built upon false desires, delusions, and re-interpretations of the world not as it already is (Nihilism).
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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads Fri Aug 26, 2016 12:43 pm

The reason and rationale that I've held back on my philosophies, observations, writing, and educating is very simple. If my philosophy and wisdom were to enlighten somebody then who would this person be, a friend or a foe? Would my wisdom be used, eventually, to help or harm me? For example, if I philosophize publicly and randomly then knowledge is taken, by anybody, and used indiscriminately. A woman who I adore, and to whom I devote my progression, instead takes a different lover and a child not of my blood. She then educates her child using my philosophies, as-if I were the surrogate father, the surrogate educator. But, the principle is clear, the bloodline is not mine.

And so philosophy should be kept within bloodlines, wisdom relegated.

To educate your enemies, those who hate and despise, who dishonor you, is the greatest folly and error of philosophers and displacement of wisdom.


If you desire wisdom, and progress in (proper) philosophy, then you must be aware and become very discriminating in your education and educating. For example, here on this forum, I try to give back the philosophies that I receive (from Satyr, the only other Producer here than I). And so my debt is paid and restored, balanced. If I receive philosophy and wisdom then I am thankful, and in honor, desire to pay-back if I can.

But to philosophize blindly? To pour wisdom into random fools? To demonstrate real wisdom and deep knowledge to just anybody? No, I've learned those lessons already and so should you. Give nothing to the undeserving. Females have this compulsion, to take and steal what is not theirs, and use it against you. If women are not yours then there is no true allegiance nor loyalty.
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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads Fri Aug 26, 2016 9:38 pm

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The reason and rationale that I've held back on my philosophies, observations, writing, and educating is very simple.  If my philosophy and wisdom were to enlighten somebody then who would this person be, a friend or a foe?  Would my wisdom be used, eventually, to help or harm me?  For example, if I philosophize publicly and randomly then knowledge is taken, by anybody, and used indiscriminately.  A woman who I adore, and to whom I devote my progression, instead takes a different lover and a child not of my blood.  She then educates her child using my philosophies, as-if I were the surrogate father, the surrogate educator.  But, the principle is clear, the bloodline is not mine.

And so philosophy should be kept within bloodlines, wisdom relegated.

To educate your enemies, those who hate and despise, who dishonor you, is the greatest folly and error of philosophers and displacement of wisdom.


If you desire wisdom, and progress in (proper) philosophy, then you must be aware and become very discriminating in your education and educating.  For example, here on this forum, I try to give back the philosophies that I receive (from Satyr, the only other Producer here than I).  And so my debt is paid and restored, balanced.  If I receive philosophy and wisdom then I am thankful, and in honor, desire to pay-back if I can.

But to philosophize blindly?  To pour wisdom into random fools?  To demonstrate real wisdom and deep knowledge to just anybody?  No, I've learned those lessons already and so should you.  Give nothing to the undeserving.  Females have this compulsion, to take and steal what is not theirs, and use it against you.  If women are not yours then there is no true allegiance nor loyalty.

Are they truly enemies, if they can understand as you do? Perhaps they might become rivals from which one can test their mettle with as there is no greater glory than to spar with an opponent who loves life nearly as you do, a fight with no regrets.
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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads Sat Aug 27, 2016 9:32 pm

When philosophical pursuit has devolved solely into politics, what is considered 'intellectual' becomes what is the most popular - the most seductive. Fortune is then supposed to prove its power.
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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads Sun Aug 28, 2016 1:37 am

Impulso Oscuro wrote:
Are they truly enemies, if they can understand as you do? Perhaps they might become rivals from which one can test their mettle with as there is no greater glory than to spar with an opponent who loves life nearly as you do, a fight with no regrets.
If somebody understands philosophy well, and the Agon of life, struggle of all against all, then they ought to know why and how conflict occurs. Sparring is one thing; education is another. So the point again, to educate an enemy is a great folly. But with philosophy, perhaps this cannot be helped or prevented in the long run. Because nobody can stand alone forever.
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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads Sun Aug 28, 2016 4:37 am

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Impulso Oscuro wrote:
Are they truly enemies, if they can understand as you do? Perhaps they might become rivals from which one can test their mettle with as there is no greater glory than to spar with an opponent who loves life nearly as you do, a fight with no regrets.
If somebody understands philosophy well, and the Agon of life, struggle of all against all, then they ought to know why and how conflict occurs.  Sparring is one thing; education is another.  So the point again, to educate an enemy is a great folly.  But with philosophy, perhaps this cannot be helped or prevented in the long run.  Because nobody can stand alone forever.

What makes an enemy? Is it their predisposition towards flight and the feminine? If they truly are weak then any education or insights they receive will not benefit them...much. A woman who does not choose you, and rather regurgitates your words into a modern's child will do nothing for it.



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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads Sun Aug 28, 2016 4:54 am

Impulso Oscuro wrote:
What makes an enemy?
When intentions and motivations are at odds, or when an individual cannot help but twist, pervert, and corrupt, then that makes an enemy.
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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads Mon Aug 29, 2016 1:10 pm

The Modern man, the Christian/Jew/Moslem, goes to his Priest, kneels down, and offers up his own power as an offering, "take my choices, take my autonomy, take my power away, command me, do as you will with my life." But this hypocrisy cannot fool or trick a pagan. Because even in the name of another, a priest, even a god, morality is never removed although the masses convince themselves that it is so.

It's still there, now unseen. It can't be given up or away, even if a Modern truly desires to do so.
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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads Mon Aug 29, 2016 4:44 pm

(Moral) Nihilism first began, driven by a need to dominate other men, and using a very specific tactic, to take away the autonomy (self-law) of other men. This was only achieved, and only possible, by educating one's enemies at birth, and so the first forms of "indoctrination" were invented and put into practice "by the book". If an intelligent child is not curtailed and controlled from birth, his morality and autonomy intact, then he would become dangerous to the priestly authorities who managed the early systems of human civilization.

Thus the "Jesus Christ" figure was pre-destined to arrive, to rebel against the elder priestly classes, and overthrow them. Thus the premise of Abrahamism is purely rationale, and a mirror of reality, depicting the inevitable result of attempting to control what would become the capitulation of millions, and billions, of human peoples.

If morality is not stripped and clipped early then an uprising, a great Protest, may occur, as was demonstrated by Nazi Germany in the 20th Century. Perhaps it is the Germanic populace, pagan spirits, who are/were last to resist the spread of Abrahamism (or any other form of monolithic pop religion) across the world.
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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads Mon Aug 29, 2016 4:57 pm

The Modern (Nihilist) is infected by a virus that's developed and evolved for centuries and millenniums. S/He doesn't understand the words he's saying, why he's saying it, or what it means. He only does what the virus programs him to do and to say. The "why and how" is unimportant or lost to him. Thus he doesn't understand how he was born, how he was bred, and how he is "allowed" to live and participate within (Modern) society. He doesn't look into history, into laws, into power, or too deeply into the nature of his programming (church and religion). Simply, he doesn't care. He lacks the nature, the breeding, to "care" about how and why he was dominated.

And if he ever came to realize, would he die to hide his embarrassment, to have lived his entire life according to a preset, detailed list, of lies. Written to the letter, a slave will waste a whole lifetime according to somebody else's willpower, perhaps somebody that remains invisible to the populist. At least in a Monarchical society, with king and queen, does the slave population at least see and witness their figurehead, to whom they give their lives so willingly, as a child may feel compelled to protect his/her parent from harm.

Now reconsider Plato's words with more context: "The unexamined life is not worth living..." is it not meant that once you give up your autonomy, your morality, your power, your will in life, that truly all has been lost. To be dominated, thoroughly by a foreign power, is what mankind rebels against the most, but perhaps is most inevitable.

If you cannot examine, and reexamine, the principles of a lifetime, of "your" lifetime, then maybe it is not "yours" in the first place, but you are still owned by another (a slave in the deepest sense).


The lowest slaves are those who are completely unaware of their slavery. The uncommon slave, becomes aware of his slavery, but cannot locate nor identify his ruler and slave-master. The next level of slavery may identify his master, but, be unable or unwilling to overpower him. And an even higher level, fighting out of slavery, may rebel against his master completely, overpowering him to replace him, or fleeing away from him into a new society, yet another system of slavery, to reintegrate into a foreign land, back at the bottom of the totem pole and social hierarchy.
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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads Tue Aug 30, 2016 12:14 pm

Proceeding from the concept of Duality, from which both Polemics and Syntheses arise, the modern elite and those within it's clandestine machinery introduce contrivance and hypocrisy into both sides of political discourse.

This serves not just to create irreconcilable divisions between the unaware and the profane, it also produces movements, ideals and philosophies which fall entirely within the spectrum of predictable, and therefore nonthreatening, outcomes. This renders all that emerges castrated, neutered and easily conquered if not totally assimilated within the exoteric bodies of the system.
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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads Tue Aug 30, 2016 3:10 pm

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Proceeding from the concept of Duality, from which both Polemics and Syntheses arise, the modern elite and those within it's clandestine machinery introduce contrivance and hypocrisy into both sides of political discourse.

This serves not just to create irreconcilable divisions between the unaware and the profane, it also produces movements, ideals and philosophies which fall entirely within the spectrum of predictable, and therefore nonthreatening, outcomes. This renders all that emerges castrated, neutered and easily conquered if not totally assimilated within the exoteric bodies of the system.

This is something I've noticed, but I connected it to the individual that is most demonized - Hitler. National socialism has become the 'bad' meme. National socialism is really tribal cooperation with distinct groups - it is the most natural manifestation of nations.

By making national socialism unacceptable, they've been able to insert nihilism into the political discourse - no matter which side is chosen. There is always an assumption that nihilism must be hybridized with paganism, as they did with Christianity.

The modern American choice is: Globalist-Socialism (Sanders/Clinton) or Nationalist-Capitalism (Trump)

Capitalism to some degree negates biology as value and is 'dumbed down' to the dollar/currency. However, capitalism also brings competition and inequity.

Globalism negates biology but in the opposite direction: by saying no culture may distinguish itself with it's tales, its telos, from another culture in a substantial way. That means no nation may be based on a culture and attempt to preserve that. It denies social competition.

With the latter distinction (of what they are denying nihilistically with globalism) it is not often talked about outside 'Alt-Right' circles. Even though the result is the same denial, the process is different and less explored in modern education, so I don't have a proper label for it and the way it works is less clear to me.

Timocracy and other political systems usually involve some form of culture/telos with aristocracy. I see the Spartan version as a form of national socialism but without the 'feel good' aspect associated today with 'socialism' - and what may have been taken advantage of in the German people. The Spartan socialism was anything but soft or welcoming - Spartan children (males) were subject to austere circumstances on purpose for the benefit of the whole
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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads Wed Aug 31, 2016 4:51 am

Whenever nihilism is taken to one extreme on the pendulum, they propose the opposite (just as nihilistic) as its solution.

I suspect this "tolerance of immigration" can be explained as a sort of racial peacock's tail.

Those people who actually identify with their government, the fruit of their supposed racial work (their ancestors), trust the lie-berals as being part of their kind. Again, like with what Anfang said previously, it is taking advantage of being part of the high trust society. Ironically, children will want to dissociate their identities/selves from these institutions created by their ancestors when such fruits are considered "evil" or "bad" or "weak" or "sexually undesirable". [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], to prevent European children from recoiling from it - to keep them stuck in their [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]. If Europeans disassociate from the structure, it destroys the very thing keeping them spiritually neutered - the assumption those who criticize are part of their in group. Watch a white man care if a black man calls him racist? Never. It is in the interests of the black man to shame him, so he doesn't actually care about the black man's opinion. He cares what his racial group will think of him. It is essential to keep racial identity (associated with the ancestral institutions) alive so whites will not simply say "that wasn't and isn't us". That preserves dignity and pride for the new white human child, to have in their ancestry. Cherry-picking for the sake of a "clean record" - a Judaized record standard, seal of certain approval.

And, whites would revert to tribalism again once they dissociate from the whole institution that was built. They will form a new racial identity, such as the Alt-Right. However, this movement will supposedly be much more fragmented, which is why it will be even more ineffective than the previous. Other minority groups will not share this issue, as they will at the very least see what racial guilt did to the Europeans and call out race traitors (such as uncle toms). The Alt-Right will do nothing different if it is not the Alt-Right strain of doubling down on their current European heritage - becoming angry and taking back what their ancestors left them; for bad or worse. Considering the position Europeans got themselves in before, dominating the world.. I would say that is mostly for good. No other race has as much to lose as Europeans do.
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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads Thu Sep 01, 2016 1:44 pm

I've never had an opportunity to speak with another person, directly and in the flesh, about philosophy. And the older I become, the less and less probable it seems, unto the impossible. It's just a fading dream now, with each passing day, that I will find another, except the few I've found upon this virtual landscape, online forum. So the hope of finding another person, another human, with a like mind, must be vanquished. It will not happen, and perhaps, ought not happen. Perhaps minds like ours are not to be directly approached, and appreciated, used, challenged, grown any larger. Perhaps philosophy was intended, long ago, to be approached indirectly, and only after greater thinkers and philosophers, the wisest of all men, are long dead. Perhaps it takes a few centuries before such minds can become appreciated, because they certainly will not be, in life.

This quandary is the rarity of the philosophical mind, determined to live a life utterly alone, when the vast majority, the 99.999% of humanity cowers, turns, and flees from reality, never a confrontation, with the mind, but a rejection of the life, universe, and existence. Because a weak mind cannot endure reality, and so breaks and falls, and finds a false sense of security within the herd mentality, swarming around only popularized truths and truisms. A diluted form of wisdom, drops of knowledge and insight here and there. There is no way that the great intellects of humanity, the shining stars among the cesspool, would endure the company of commoners, rabble, and moderns for long.

And so as a philosopher, you will live life alone, and die alone, with only the solace and reassurance that long ago, a few other men like you lived before, and shall live again in the distant future. But not now, because such men know who we are while alive and know the cost of what great intellect requires.
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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads Fri Sep 02, 2016 11:27 am

Redneck Immunology

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PostSubject: rhetorical Fri Sep 09, 2016 12:26 pm

Am I a wacko extremist cuz I believe elected folk should viewed as, treated as, employees instead of nobility?

Am I a wacko extremist cuz I'm dissatisfied with the glorified popularity contests we call elections?

Am I a wacko extremist cuz I wanna hire the best proxies, employees, and public servants instead of electing the least crappy of a crappy bunch of mercenary parasites?

Am I a wacko extremist for wanting the formal option to say 'no' to appear on every ballot, of every election, from the federal down to the municipal?

Am I a wacko extremist for living as though I'm responsible for me?

Am I a wacko extremist for resisting being used by folks who think I should I be responsible for, or to, them?

Am I a wacko extremist for wanting the taxes I pay to be spent responsibly, minimally, and productively?

I could go on and on and on...  Neutral
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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads Sat Sep 10, 2016 2:38 pm

It is not coincidence that an attention-seeking dandy, above average intelligence, is the 'doorway' between the public (left/liberals), to the private "Alt-Right". The homosexual exterior disables the left/liberals from attacking Milo Yiannopoulos personally with ad hom attacks. And so he gets a free pass to criticize and critique leftists and liberals publicly in a way that none others would be allowed.

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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads Wed Sep 14, 2016 1:09 pm

Sexual Dimorphism:

This is the phenomenon of breeding and reproduction such that what is positive and beneficial for one gender, can be negative and detrimental for the other gender. Let's examine further. Beauty, beneficial for females, but perhaps detrimental for males. Large size and strength, positive for males but negative for females. Extroversion and socializing tendencies, positive for females but negative for males. Cooperation, positive for females but negative for males. Competition, Violence, War, positive for males but negative for females. Tall stature, positive for males but negative for females. Intelligence, positive for males but negative for females.

Can you think of examples and counter-arguments? Do you understand why what is beneficial for one gender, or even one race, will be detrimental for the other gender or race???
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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads Wed Sep 14, 2016 1:38 pm

Nihilists, Liberals, Leftists, SJWs, and Moderns pour millions of dollars, effort, energy, enthusiasm into a lone Negro who shows top intelligence on behalf of his race, the smartest negro of all time. Moderns encourage this young boy to go to college, to the Ivy League, to Harvard and Yale. Although the negro struggles to make grade, constantly under pressure where other students don't seem to stress at all. Everybody is focusing on the negro, cheering and waiting, and ignoring the constant slip-ups and failures, instantly forgiving them. But this is still not enough. The Ivy League must lower the bar, reduce the standards, turn "B" grades into As. And after the institution bends over backward, and the smartest Negro of all time graduates from the top college, liberals let out a sigh of relief. They've done it. Nature is overturned. Blacks and Whites are, finally, equal.

And so they turn to the Jewess, and encourage her to play sports as a child. She is made to lift weights and be athletic, even and especially when she wonders about other activities. Liberals find an opening for her, and she's good at kicking a soccer ball. So they draft her onto the special teams of football, field goal kicking. The Jewess is promoted and pushed toward every opportunity, backed by a brigade and army of SJWs. She scores a field goal in college football. "YOU SEE!?!?!" They scream, "WOMEN CAN DO IT TOO!" And so the Jewess is drafted to the NFL, and scores a goal, kicking a field goal from 30 yards away. Amazing! Women are now equal with Men.

The bars lowered, immensely, to prove the point. To overturn Nature. This is the goal of Liberalism, to overturn the "Dominance" of white male patriarchy, to push negroes through college, and jewesses through the NFL. To make black and white equal, to make women and men equal, so that all who are not white/european, and not patriarchs, are still "Equal" with what they are drawn toward, and "hate" without knowing why or how.

To overturn what? A system, a society, a civilization, a European culture, with thousands of years in the making.

Yet still it stands, more solid than ever before. Nothing has been changed. Nothing has been overturned. Liberals only end protecting what they have been made to serve, long ago, a status quo, an institution. Nature cannot be denied, ignored, and forgotten forever. When a cycle and age of Hedonism and Decadence ends, and Attrition and Austerity begin, what happens?

Everybody immediately reverts back to nature, back to instinct, back to genetic compulsion.
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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads Wed Sep 14, 2016 10:12 pm

hmm mixed raced people can be used as a tool in the near future to provide a buffer for any potentially dangerous racial tensions.
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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads Thu Sep 15, 2016 3:30 pm

Greater performances and productions are results of greater sophistication and breeding, to the point that those who demonstrate them cannot become denied. Those who are low, common, and stupid (unintelligent) immediately perceive, recognize, and understand those who are high, uncommon, and smart (intelligent). Time, evolution, competition, and hierarchies all eventually separate and differentiate the obvious. Those who are highest cannot be (easily) copied while those who are lowest can be. Such differences result in rarity, rare Memes, rare Genes, rare Progeny, etc.
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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads Thu Sep 15, 2016 9:17 pm

Nihilism is a disease and (biological) defect that runs deep, and can be reproduced genetically through poor and lowly breeding. It maybe impossible to "Cure" Nihilism in most regards because Nihilism represents a distinct quality of self-hatred and Resentiment. More sense can be made of Nihilism and this phenomenon by understanding the birth of any child, or any mammal for that matter, and how a mind can be 'Stunted' in growth and development. When Moderns are stunted, and cannot mature beyond a "spiritual age" of infancy, childhood, adolescence, and into adulthood then many 'Nihilistic' reactions occur. Nihilism is, ultimately, self-destructive and represents natural death tendencies, the "Death Drive" (Thanatos). Or a type of zombie-like state, inebriated, living life half-asleep (Xanatos). Or in popular culture, living in the Matrix, virtual reality, the "desert of the real".
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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads Fri Sep 16, 2016 11:05 am

Wanna see who's too stupid to live?

Watch folks as they cross a parking lot. The ones who stay aware, remain conscious of being in a parking lot, not a sidewalk or their living room, those probably deserve to live another day.

The ones who stumble across the lot, eyes fixed to the cell phone, oblivious to cars shifting position around them, they're idiots who only live through the day cuz some one behind the wheel sees them and chooses not to plow them down.
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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads Sat Sep 17, 2016 5:21 am

Any "Truth" begins with axioms, also known as premises about existence. Obviously these premises will be subjective and set upon a foundation of human values and perspectives. However, the goal of axiomatic truths are to "return" to an objective basis as possible. Thus a human who strives for any type of truth will work backward, into the past (Nature/Genetics) and re-discover the objective essence found within himself or all other things. Because objects are the essence of matter while subjectivity is the essence of the mind. Consciousness is the conclusion, the result, the building of all previous objects (cells) to create the subject (person/individual).

Thus mankind, or any other evolved animal, represents an apex, a height of its specialization. And this apex is called subjectivity.
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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads Sun Sep 18, 2016 8:33 pm

Whatever my feelings, whatever my ideas and whatever my goals there will always be a hierarchy.

Those anti-hierarchy radicals will always serve as useful idiots, to become disillusioned when they find that the people who sold them the promise of equality couldn't keep their promise and now, that their leaders have established power, have become the new conservatives. The disillusioned radical will then have to return to the dark fringes of society from which they were let loose upon the rest.
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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads Wed Sep 21, 2016 4:56 pm

Humanity, History, Civilization, operate on basic principles and a rather simple list of ingredients. The recipe is not so complex, except for the changes of ratios over time. In one period of history, may use more of this ingredient but less of that one. In another period, vice-versa, less of this ingredient but more of the other one. Sometimes all ingredients are increased, needing a larger amount of food, other times less of everything. But once the basic list is understood and known, accepted, then the changes of history can become understood.

Why the chef removed this ingredient, during this period.
Why the chef doubled the amount of another ingredient, during another period.
And why the chef started from scratch, when it was time for a revolutionary change.
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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads Wed Sep 21, 2016 6:44 pm

Women offer themselves, their sex, up to a male they admire as their highest offering and gift. If a woman cannot seduce a man, sexually, then this is feared above all else. Because most women cannot compensate, or offer more than what their body (womb) can. Females, as males, have the tendency to "objectify" women as nothing more than their sex, when this is proposition is not fully explained or justified. Surely a woman can offer "more than" just access to her womb. She can offer access to her mind, which perhaps, is rarer still.

Because it is a common thing that a woman offers a man her womb, but not her mind, and uses him as a tool toward her own end. For a woman, men are far, far easier to seduce, than another woman.

It is this fact, this true "gender-gap" that separates men and women, and forces each gender to play a different game, and perform a different function, toward different goals, throughout life.


(Ugly) Women are far more scared of 'rejection' by a man, than a man is by a woman.
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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads Wed Sep 21, 2016 10:11 pm

Æon wrote:
Women offer themselves, their sex, up to a male they admire as their highest offering and gift.

Perhaps generally, but not necessarily, the highest "gift" is her love then subsequently her life, especially those of the religious devout type, where there is even a devotion to an entity, a sacrifice, and if it is under a traditional system then that devotion trickles down towards man, as apart of her duty. It's important to remember that such systems, religious or otherwise did not make them like that but only provides an opening for certain natural features of themselves to be expressed. This was a very common thing in the past because those systems cultivated those natural tendencies.

What you're talking about is relative to the modern secular environment, which is also largely a response to the freedom of male promiscuous behavior. What you're talking about is true and is apart of the natural exchange aspect of women, but it's not a defining aspect the way you're suggesting. It can even be seen as a defense mechanism, a desperation because the system doesn't offer a security on opportunity the way previous systems use to.

In the past, God, or traditional systems already seduced them into harmony, this creates a depth beyond sexual offering, where sexual exchange would glorify the intensity of that harmony, providing a resistance to the repellent nature of the human condition, and life it self. This was done through regulation and moral indoctrination, they were configured and set a certain way, conditioned on the same premise, with calculated variation due to their nature, (gender difference). A covenant was the root pipe, any natural difficulties that occurred because of gender differences was passed onto God, usually in silence..with a trust...for eventual resolve.

Removing all of that, humans default to sexuality, but with inclusion of emotions and feelings too, which manifests itself in all kinds of ways. Some women (because of their nature) will still offer you their love, some even their life.

The reason why you're seeing what you're seeing so blatantly is because these modern environments are very superficial and visual, where sexual value or sexualized beauty has the most impact due to the open free sexual expression, you can see the environmental demand bringing about excessive pressures which creates desperate measures, such as surgery etc.

Another thing, movements like feminism cultivate the sexual value in relation to the environment, the "mind" aspect is a social window which brings them into a social circumstance, there has never been an offering of her mind, it's a tool that is used to regurgitate information to reach socially acceptable system standards. The professionalism is the fake it until you make it, remove all doubt, display, a social assertion of dominance and control of her own expression of her sexuality without public consequences.

The objectification is because humans are ultimately rooted in sexuality, feminism is attempting to gain control over the objectification, to provide  women the ultimate choice to express sexuality in whatever way they want to and whenever they want to drawing from it a new idealistic way of living, integrated with protection from male intervention.

This gives birth to the female narcissism that is increasingly becoming the norm, where the "gender gap" is ignored and dismissed, meaning it doesn't matter because their position is self-serving, this is why feminization and emasculation occurs, so the remaining men can fit into this paradigm in order to extract a livelihood and social value through conformity, the price is their masculinity which is "targeted" as a collateral damage.
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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads Thu Sep 22, 2016 5:42 am

A woman offering her womb to the dominant male is worth more than her love and life, because through children, she offers another lifetime through the children she bears. By children she is worth more than just one lifetime. Through the female is a door, a gateway into eternal rebirth (ideally). Thus a superior woman can offer a man, potentially, immortality (constant rebirths).
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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads Thu Sep 22, 2016 4:09 pm

The are two expected and predominant forms of idealism in young males.

The first ideal is to escape from human-world and return "back into the wild". However this escapism has no realism as the young male has little-to-no actual appreciate, respect, or understanding of nature. Nature is cruel, hard, unforgiving, and a young male probably would (usually does) die from exposure to the wild environment. Thus a young male requires training and preparation to endure the objective "wild-world", best received by a father or surrogate father-figure. Only a man can properly educate a boy about the wild-world, objective-world.

Secondly, after the first idealism and escapism is addressed (wanting to "return to the wild"), the young male will develop a second form idealism which is Neurosis. In this second idealism, a young man will want to "re-shape" the modern world, human-world, into a "better world". This is called "progressivism" by which the young male re-imagines the world as a "better place" (for himself). It can lead to delusions of grandeur, or most commonly, as liberal-leftist-utopia projects. Young males are seduced by, often feminine, social movements, in which Neuroses of young men and women are blended together. For example, the hippy movement, counter-culture, environmentalism, feminism, humanitarianism, etc. all stem from this second form of idealism, the world as a "better place", utopian idealism.

If a young male is fortunate, intelligent, and educated with proper wisdom (philosophy) then he may move on from these childish idealisms, overcome them, and leave them behind, and begin to confront reality (wild-world) from either within the confine of civilization, or without.

In the previous centuries, explorers, settlers, colonialists, and other courageous men were the ones who truly "Progressed" civilization if any such progress can be quantified or at least, honored. Males "on the periphery" are always the ones from which geniuses are found, revolutions begin and end, or a scientific paradigm shift can occur.
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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads Fri Sep 23, 2016 2:08 am

Principles, being noumenal (and, usually, always incomplete) in nature, are not free. They come with a cost on the organism to maintain themselves (their behavior) against it.

The modern day Christian man is under the pressure of living up to both his Hellenic principles and the Abrahamic ones at the same time. It is the absolutist conception of these principles between which the European man is pulled back and forth. When he fails or refuses to substantially enforce or lower/weaken himself to help make the absolutist conception of his principle of fairness come about, he is accused of wickedness or deception, hypocrisy. When he fails ideologically to accept such absolutist principles of fairness despite circumstances maybe suggesting it to be unwise, he is declared stupid, ignorant, genetically unfit or weak.
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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads Fri Sep 23, 2016 2:15 pm

Plato:

After reading Plato and his texts, my interpretation of his most important message and point, is that of Representations. Plato strictly, implicitly, and explicitly details, on several occasions, how Copies are inferior to Originals. Thus Plato, interpreted correctly, leads a philosophical mind to the appropriate conclusion. Reality is superior to (Youthful) idealism. Many are misled by The Republic because in that, Socrates goes into detail about the "ideal state" of Greek society, or humanity, as a "Utopia" where Justice rules supreme. This conversation extends from disproving Thrasymachus that Just societies were ruled through Might, not Right. Regardless of the ideal state, however, Plato's famous "Allegory of the Cave" is his strongest case of exemplifying how reality is superior (in form) than copies. And that mankind, noblest of men, would never suffice themselves to live lives on lies: "the unexamined life is not worth living". Even the Modern movie "The Matrix" *COPIES* this same message, re-interpreted.

The more times a thing or message is copied, the further it is removed from its source. Plato, obviously, knew this fact well. In The Republic, the conversation occurs to "ban" or remove many forms of art from the Utopian city, but why? What is wrong with paintings and music? If you understand the premise of the work then you will know that copies are Inferior to their original source. So Plato's depiction of a 'Utopia' is opposite of how Moderns conceive of utopia as an "ideal realm". Because by banning art, painting, and music, for example, you are removing the copies and false images that Modern society and civilization consume daily. In fact the Modern world is just the opposite of Plato's Republic, because Moderns are obsessed with digital art, movies, television, facebook, iphones, etc. Thus Moderns are consumed, and consume, Copies upon Copies upon Copies. And almost nobody, or perhaps nobody at all, have the penchant and personality (of Philosophy) to seek out the sources of these copies.

Plato's main lesson was to seek out these sources, originality, and to live as close to reality as possible. I believe that he knew, during the time of Decadent ancient Greece, that civilization and modernity would eventually make this difficult if not impossible. And this was his true lesson to the "Sons of Ariston" (Noble Class), to whom he wrote his works. Furthermore, Socrates becomes enigmatic. Was Socrates a fictional representation of the author (Plato), or, a real person and tutor of Plato? What was the relationship? And by using Socrates, observe that it would be yet another copy of a copy, that Plato was copying the dialogues, texts, and philosophies of another man. Thus Plato would be writing Ironically. To properly interpret Plato, these observations must be taken into account, especially by how Reality becomes divorced and split into Ideals. A painter observes a landscape, and then paints it. A musician hears birds, noises, melodies, and then tunes them into songs. Yet the Original is always superior, the true inspiration and source, of any subsequent ideal.

By properly reading Plato, a philosopher ought to know and recognize this.
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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads Fri Sep 23, 2016 2:36 pm

Plato II:

Eventually Western civilization connected with Eastern, and the Buddhist monks are today's closest realization of Plato's work. Aspects of Buddhism and Eastern cultures took up the message of Platonism and understood that representations, copies, and idealism were to be rebuked, avoided, and confronted. Thus the Buddhist and Tibetan monks injected this philosophy into their lifestyles and lessons. The Buddhist monk meditates and avoids as many "copies" as possible.

Monkhood is about removing copies, "returning to nature", and staying as close to Reality as possible. However Eastern philosophies have perverted this concept with the introduction of "Nirvana" as some "absolutely peaceful" or perfect state of being. Thus monks have infused some forms of falsehood into their rationale. Because although removing idealism and all copies can bring you to peace, this is not necessarily some "ideal state" unto itself. It is not a favorable end "in its own right". Because although an individual may infact "return to nature" (Paganism), remove copies (falsehood) from his life, habits, and lifestyles, this does not another form of idealism. This is not how one "ought to live" necessarily. Because, in truth, there is no "perfect state". There is no "return from nature" once you have endured civilization, society, and decadence/modernity.

There is no going back!!! Despite all the copies, all the falsehoods, all the lies and misled lifetimes, despite the maze and labyrinth of modern civilization, even if you do in fact "return to nature", then what? What will you do, or could anybody do, afterward? Living as close to reality as possible, is advantageous, and it will bring a degree of peace/satisfaction/success in life. But manhood lives between Nature and Artifice, between Wild and Civility. Because man-himself is an Artifice.

Even genetically and biologically there are "Copies of Copies". Thus, even devoted to Nature and Realism, is not a deterrent. It is not a "final solution". And Nirvana is just another mythology, another inverted form of Idealism. Living as close to reality, cannot be another "idealism" otherwise it is a backward, reverted idealism. "Negative Nihilism" as is called here on KT.

Once the copies, ideals, falsehoods are consumed, by anybody, they cannot be forgotten. Therefore my proposal is 'Balance' between Nature and Artifice.
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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads Fri Sep 23, 2016 4:48 pm

Consider the (Modern) child who is confined and trapped within walls of paintings, television movies, music, internet, iphones, and mountains of senseless data pouring on top of him. The child will, at first, be taken and consumed by the images, the copies of reality. But if the child is intelligent, and of pedigree, then he will eventually tire with the copies, the games, the phony and fake substance of them. He will grow restless, as if "in a dream he cannot awake from". And this is the plight of modernity and moderns, who, cannot ever awake from such a dream.

Trapped within a realm of copy, after copy, after copy, ideal after ideal after ideal. Reality becomes so distant, so abstract, so far away, that Moderns begin to deny whether it ever existed at all. "The world (humanity) is only 3000 years old." Isn't this what religious abrahamists claim? But re-interpret the term, "world". Which "world" is only 3000 years old? Existence-world? Or human-world? You can now understand why and how Abrahamists, Nihilism infects people as to re-interpret (pervert) the idea of "world" as human-centric. So what they mean to say is the "Human-world" is 3000 years ago, meaning, the age of western civilization.

Moderns cannot think "Outside" such walls, the limits of indoctrination.

Education has become exponentially rarer in Modern times, and throughout civil history. Because "Education" is the exact *OPPOSITE* of indoctrination. Indoctrination is to teach children lies and feed them endless streams of copies, never allowing them to touch the real thing, or to introduce dangers that have real costs (potentially deadly). This is how the modern disease of "Autism" has come to exist, and other anti-social behaviors as well. Solipsism increases, preventing moderns, children, from ever being 'Educated' and become aware of Reality/Objectivity.

Instead the masses and populace are kept rather neutered, and have been made to enjoy and 'accept' these comforts for thousands of years. The danger of abundance, decadence, and hedonism. A danger that the Romans endured and eventually resisted against. From the Roman Empire and times of greatest decadence, Occultism and resurgences of paganism occurred to re-connect some Moderns, with potential, back to their roots.

Remembrance:

Past cannot truly be forgotten, only ignored, and only for so long. Because biology, body, genes, are all the recurrence of the past.


Intelligence and courage is required, by the modern child, to first perceive the copies of copies of copies, to comb through them one-by-one-by-one, as a Great Mystery, back to the source. And once the source (Reality) is re-discovered, to confront that, endure it, and use it as the strongest foundation, to think, to believe, and to live. All other foundations are inferior, weaker, airy and soft. 'Reality' is the strongest platform upon which to propose any preposition, to begin any belief.

Only once "Truth" is returned, back down to reality (nature/objectivity), can it re-grow to its fullest extent.

These are the cycles of life.
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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads Sat Sep 24, 2016 5:53 pm

It seems to me now that all my debts and mistakes have been paid for double than what they were worth.
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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads Fri Sep 30, 2016 6:22 pm

Do you have double standards?

Oh
My
God

Or... do you have universal standards?

Double standards, as in treating different groups differently.
Like cats and dogs.
Cats and tigers.
Men and women.

No, no, of course not.
Double standards as in treating the equal, the same, according to two different standards.

So how do we know that they are equal, that they are the same?
Because I say so! ...I guess..

If they were actually equal, the same, then I wouldn't even be able to recognise the pattern of the double standard.
Paul likes this blue shirt.
Hm, but he cuts this other blue shirt into pieces.
Guess he's ambivalent to blue shirts.
I mean, they look all the same to me.


But, but, the same and equal is not the same, eh not equal ...whatever.

In the German language there is a popular thinking error which people like to point out.
Two people sit in a restaurant and the waiter brings one of them a Schnitzel. The other guest tells the waiter - "Bring me the same!", to which the waiter replies, "I don't know if he will be fine with me taking his food away, to give it to you.". The other guest groans and tells the waiter - "Bring me the 'equal'."

In German the word 'das-selbe' (the same) is different from 'das Gleiche' (the same).
The one word means literally the same, not a similar one, nor one which is equal to it, but literally that one.
While 'das Gleiche' would translate literally to 'the equal'


So back to the English language. What does it mean to be equal?
Besides some autistic Platon ideal vs. real faggotry, equality is about a sense of fairness which is dependent on the subjects in question.

When I order a Schnitzel in a restaurant and I then look over to the next table and see that their Schnitzel looks maybe a bit more tasty, a bit larger or a bit more evenly fried then I could interpret that as unfair - maybe even as a deliberate act of the restaurant because they don't like me. I could go all paranoid about it. Of course, I won't complain or even think about it if I get the better Schnitzel, that would then still be fair. Maybe even deservedly so because I am such a great customer who doesn't yell and tips reasonably well. That must be the reason, or so I could tell myself.

I think the sense of fairness came first and later equality as in making the same became the central element in the sense of fairness.

I can treat men and women very distinctly and still have a sense of fairness.
Double standards implies that one ought not to have two different standards.
I think one should definitely have two different standards when dealing with two different things.
And if they weren't two different things then how could we recognise two different groups and standards applied to them in the first place.
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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads Sat Oct 01, 2016 7:41 pm

You know an argument with somebody is unproductive if during the course of it you notice and correct your own mistakes in reasoning more than your interlocutor.
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