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PostSubject: Re: Morality Morality - Page 3 EmptySun Jul 07, 2019 7:08 am

An extensive elaboration of my moral principles:
 
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PostSubject: Re: Morality Morality - Page 3 EmptyMon Aug 05, 2019 7:59 am

Mencken, H.L. wrote:
Intermezzo on Monogamy: The prevalence of monogamous marriage in Christendom is commonly ascribed to ethical considerations. This is quite as absurd as ascribing wars to ethical considerations – which is, of course, frequently done. The simple truth is that such considerations are no more than deductions from experience; and that they are quickly abandoned whenever experience turns against them. In the present case experience is still overwhelmingly on the side of monogamy; civilized men are in favour of it because they find that it works. And why does it work? Because it is the most effective of all available antidotes to the alarms and terrors of passion. Monogamy, in brief, kills passion – and passion is the most dangerous of all the surviving enemies to what we call civilization, which is based upon order, decorum, restraint, formality, industry, regimentation.

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PostSubject: Re: Morality Morality - Page 3 EmptyMon Aug 05, 2019 8:30 am

Mencken, H.L. wrote:
Once the threshold is crossed emotion comes to the aid of perception. That is to say, the blind almost irresistible mating impulse, now relieved from the contrary pressures of active disgusts, fortifies itself by manufacturing illusions.
The lover sees with an eye that is both opaque and out of focus, and begins the familiar process of editing and improving his girl. Features and characteristics that, observed in cold blood, might have quickly aroused the most active disgust are now seen through the rose-tinted fog, like drabs in a musical comedy. The lover ends by being almost anaesthetic to disgust. While the spell lasts his lady could shave her head, or take to rubbing snuff, or scratch her leg in public, and yet not disgust him. Here the paralysis of the faculties is again chiefly physical – a matter of obscure secretions, of shifting pressures, of metabolism. Nature is at her tricks. The fever of love is upon its victim. His guard down, he is little more than an automaton. The shrewd observer of gaucheries, the sensitive sniffer, the erstwhile cynic, has become a mere potential papa. The spell, of course, doesn’t last forever.
Marriage cols the fever and lowers the threshold for disgust. The husband begins to observe what the lover was blind to, and often his discoveries affect him most unpleasantly. And not only is the fever cooled; the opportunities for exact observation are enormously increased. It is commonplace of juridical science that the great majority of divorces have their origin in the connubial chamber.
Disgust is often mistaken for hate, in the mind of a Modern.
Disgust for the homosexual act is called "a phobia", when shame is used to decrease resistance.

In the throws on pathos the mind can be placed in a state of intoxication, unable to perceive anything negative; unable to reason or to think of the consequences; unable to think clearly.
Nature evolves the chemical intoxication of "lust" - pathos - to overcome its already evolved fight/flight mechanisms. Lust is also mistaken for love, confusing and corrupting the bond between parent offspring, or between genetically similar organisms, seeing - sniffing - in other a version of itself.

No doubt "love" must have evolved from the more primal inebriation of "lust," enabling bonding and social cooperation, by reducing natural survival instincts of intolerance.
These would have to be more intoxicating in females so as to allow the act of copulation to proceed to its finality. The act of penetration, involved in heterosexual reproduction, necessitates a level of intrusiveness only a specialized type would evolve the traits required to endure, to the point of enjoying the process.
Consider the trickery involved in fertilization and gestation - organic autoimmune processes fooled for a sufficient time as would enable the, somewhat, alien form to grow safely; consider the insinuation of "morning sickness" as the organism attempts to rid itself of something not of itself.

Self-deceit is part of evolution.

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PostSubject: Re: Morality Morality - Page 3 EmptyThu Aug 22, 2019 10:54 am

The strategy of reducing all issues to a moral dilemma hides a subversive motive.
Morality, not as it evolved to serve a particular survival strategy, necessitating tolerance and co-operation over prolonged periods of time, but "ethics" in the Old & New Testament contexts, i.e. Judeo-Christian ethics, beginning with "logos" - word-based socio-economic rules establishing a particular relationship with world - spirituality, and with others - politics.

Here gene/meme is intentionally convoluted, so as to manufacture confusion - which modern call "chaos," as in "complexity", implying that the topic is complicated enough to only be comprehensible by a few.
Another way of fabricating mystification in the mediocre majorities.
The "Ten commandment" represents a memetic intervention upon genetically evolved altruistic strategies.

When all is reduced to a question of morality, then the criteria, it is hoped, of what is more and what is less probable are corrupted by an emotionally self-serving components.
All becomes subjectivized, exploiting the human desire to escape an indifferent and uncertain reality - the objective world.
Man replaces god - collective mankind (humanity) becomes a replacement for the idea/ideal of one-god.
Deification of the biological category homo sapient)

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PostSubject: Re: Morality Morality - Page 3 EmptySun Aug 25, 2019 7:51 am



When you make the mistake to engage with Desperate Degenerates you can be sure the conversation will be about morality. One way or another, whether you know it or not, whether you want to or not, they will be discussing about morality while you are reasoning or presenting arguments.
Politics is the quintessential arena where moral conflicts take place.

Why?
Because for cowards and morons there is where they feel they have a chance; they have an advantage - by changing the criterion of what is more and what is less probable into a matter of what benefits the majority; because within the contexts of morality they can appeal to human vanity and to human emotions.
Outside moralistic arguments - emoting rather than reasoning - the Desperate Degenerate cannot think; does not dare.
So, like Dillihunty, the exploration of what morality is, and how and why it evolved is skirted around, so as to not risk "bursting" the proverbial bubble, and deflating the word of its mysticism and its effectiveness.
This is what they mean by "bringing it down to earth". "Earth" being code for humanity.
They desperately want to reduce all subjects into humanitarian contexts, so that they can plead, and use pity, and victimization, and vanity to circumvent their lack of rational arguments and for evidence.
Morality must be ascribed to a cosnciuos being. If not god, then humanity, is the rational agency from which morality appears.
So they first reduce every topic to a moral issue and then take it for granted that morality is the product of a consciousness.

Dillihunty fails to use Evolutionary Psychology to explain the phenomenon of morality, or moral behaviour; he also fails to distinguish evolved moral behaviour, as a survival strategy, and manmade ethics, such as those represented by the Ten Commandments - from gene to memes.
This differentiation is crucial as it exposes what moral behaviour is, and has evolved in many species, and not only humans, and at what point man intervenes to add more rules that restrict and direct behaviours, for socio-economic reasons.

My method is always bottom<>up. So I begin with the common ground in natural selection, identifying the traits common across species, and then i proceed to identify how man intervened so as to distinguish the reasons and motives.
I do so by naming the first "morality" and the second "ethics", just to produce clarity - because language is a tool for the production of clarity.
Charlatans, cowards and imbeciles, use language top obscure, to convolute, to cloud, so as to merge their irrationals elf-serving, bullshit with rational concepts.
I've named this cowardly strategy the Trojan Horse method - It's posted somewhere in one of the threads.
The synthesis of rational and irrational arguments legitimized the irrational by continently associating it with the rational - a sleight of mind, magic trick.  once the association has been ingrained in the minds of the masses, it is difficult to disassociate it.
Obscurantism is employed to cover the dissonance, the contradictions.

There's a pragmatic foundation to the evolution of what is named, by men, morality, or altruism, or behaviours that facilitate tolerance and cooperation.
A genetic foundation that is then added to by human meddling - the gene manipulated by the meme.
Gender, as another example, is a genetic specialized role that can be given a human cultural covering, imposing more specific symbols, social and economic behaviours
Genes are clothed in memes - in Nihilistic memes genes are either completely rejected (annulled) or corrupted, reversed.

Morality evolved independently from man. Evidence of it is that other species behave in what man calls moral ways.
Man then adds to this evolved behaviour his own social rules which he moralizes to produce the same effect evolved morality produces.
Morality requires no god to emerge and to develop into a social behaviour. This behaviour is then corrupted, added to, or sublimated into manmade socio-economic standards of behaviour.

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PostSubject: Re: Morality Morality - Page 3 EmptyTue Aug 27, 2019 6:38 am

Evola, Julius wrote:
The inferior never lives a fuller life than when he feels his existence is subsumed in a greater order endowed with a centre; then he feels like a man standing before leaders of men, and experiences the pride of serving as a free man in his proper station.

As such, a man who believes in absolute order, a whole, with man as the "measure of all things" - at the centre of existence - is inadvertently expressing a species inferiority complex, i.e., an existential anxiety and insecurity.
Weakness compensates through association.
It is at the basis of social behaviour, in all species. Individual weakness compensates by surrendering a portion of its will to a community, finding power in numbers - synergy.
At its core, social behaviour, or social cooperative survival strategies, are a compensation for individual insecurity.
For this reason, among many others, the left, expressing this existential insecurity, and vulnerability, will always dominate the masses of a species which has evolved social behaviour.
Tolerance of other, and altruism, and sympathy, are necessary traits.

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PostSubject: Re: Morality Morality - Page 3 EmptyMon Sep 09, 2019 1:12 pm

Human ethical systems, such as Abrahamism and Marxism, or Paganism and Aryanism, are extensions of natural systems imposing behavioural rules, such as sexual control and group reciprocity.
In nature natural selection takes care of 'wrongdoers" or "breakers of natural law". Humans attempt to extend this beyond natural limits, such as racial and tribal boundaries, or beyond enforced celibacy, that is part of natural selection.
extending, or stretching Dundar's formula:
Dunbar, Robin wrote:
The central argument revolves around four key points: (1) among primates, social group size appears to be limited by the size of the species' neocortex; (2) the size of human social networks appears to be limited for similar reasons to a value of around 150; (3) the time devoted to social grooming by primates is directly related to group size because it plays a crucial role in bonding groups; and finally, (4) it is suggested that language evolved among humans to replace social grooming because the grooming time required by our large groups made impossible demands on our time. Language, I argue, evolved to fill the gap because it allows us to use the time we have available for social interaction more efficiently.

A rule necessitated by man's intervention upon natural laws, such as "survival of the fittest", and "polygamy" excluding the majority of males, and a minority of females.

Without getting into the other tangents, I'll focus on reciprocity and the use of morality and law to enforce it.

Timocracy utilizes nature to weed out those who cannot and will not abide by any manmade law, because they fail to adapt and adjust to natural laws.
it doesn't impose a moral law, but only after the individual proves to be worthy of citizen status, and all that this entails.
If a man cannot even understand or show humility before nature - the gods - then his hubris will extend to any manmade systems enforcing some manmade rule of reciprocity and sexual discipline.
A man who can show reciprocity before nature, and yield form her what he needs while giving back what she demands  will show the same capacity to do the same in regards to natural agencies, such as other organisms - in the tradition of Indo-European Paganisms, and Timocratic  
The "gods" are used to enforce a selection process that immediately and indifferently rejects anyone without the basic ability to understand and to discipline himself before nature, i.e., the gods.

The first arbiter of who even becomes eligible to apply for membership is not a man, or a group of men, but something cold and unconscious, though it is represented by anthropomorphic metaphors, such as the gods.
A man who can discipline himself before the gods - i.e., nature - and make them offer them of nature's bounty, in excess of what he needs, will be a worthy candidate to participate in a system of Homoioi - same, in that they've all proven the same before an objective judge and jury.

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PostSubject: Re: Morality Morality - Page 3 EmptyThu Sep 12, 2019 12:06 pm

Should we not begin our quest for overcoming by first discovering what morality is, and way it evolves, and how it does so?
If we to stop at it being a "social construct" we've explained nothing, but only implied some divine creation, some godly wilful imposition, from nothing.
Another version of the creation myth.

Where-from comes morality, and why do other species exhibit what we humans would call moral behaviour, or altruism?
Without this analysis herd-morality will never be overcome, but only surrendered to through different semantic artifices.
Is homo sapient the only moral species because only man can think ro display thoughts, using symbols, so only man can chisel laws on tablets, or write them in books?

Are morals entirely memetic?
To clarify, we must use different words to refer to the semiology and to the genealogy of morality.
Semiology attains its peak in Judaism and its Commandments, ushering in the age of Theocracy.
This is why we speak of the Jews, as Jews.
Sloterdijk claims that the Jews took Egypt with then....ergo the exodus means the conversion of Egyptian Death worship and an obsession with mortality could from then on be transportable across space/time.    
The local becomes universal, through text.

We must understand the difference between moral behaviour, evolved to facilitate tolerance and cooperation, and man-made laws, meant to preserve group cohesion allowing for the evolution of multi-racial, multi-cultural, Globalized, Americanized, systems.
Without clear and distinct gene/meme divide all discussions will be talking at another, or over the other, shifting from one context to the next, as it suits the participants, without any conclusion being possible.
For most this is the desired outcome, i.e., confusion, to justify the idea that morality is subjective requiring the sacrifice of the one to the many, i.e., a comprise.
A market dynamic of trending fashions....one generation this is moral, and the next that is so.

Morals/Ethos words used to differentiate and clarify, representing nuances of divergence.
Moral Behaviour (actions) and ethical standards and rules/laws...commandments (words - logos).

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PostSubject: Re: Morality Morality - Page 3 EmptyWed Sep 25, 2019 9:21 pm

Morality is strained when free-will increases.
If defined properly, the options available or perceptible, to a mind in the past did not exist.
Technologies offers a multiplication of awareness and of access, creating moral dilemmas that do not exist in nature.
Every increase in awareness multiplies stress and insecurity - more possibilities, multiple probabilities, more to worry about.
Freedom is measure by options, and technologies and communal support - google genius - multiplies options...and the consequences for each.  
Even increasing divorce rates can be ascribed to multiplied options, and institutionalized protection from the consequences.



The "paradox of choice" is really the "paradox of freedom".
Absolute freedom would demand absolute awareness, and power - omniscience and omnipotence.
Freedom overwhelms a mind evolved to only deal with few options.

Ironically, as freedom increases he mind imposes a form of slavery upon itself; and as un-freedom increases - decreasing options - the mind rebels demanding more.
Those who believe in free-will are the most ordered, wanting to impose rules and limitations upon themselves; those who reject free-will are the most chaotic and out-of control, expecting some external order to step-in, or secretly expecting it all to "come out for the best".
It has to do with parental control, or the lack of, and how a child rebels against it, or expects it as an entitlement. A reflection of a child with its parents, or with their absence.
The transference of parental authority goes to the institution, and then to an intangible idea; it is is accepted as a responsibility.

He being a Barry Schwartz, he could not have done anything but promote income distribution.
Enough pieces of the Messiah to spread Eucharist evenly.

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PostSubject: Re: Morality Morality - Page 3 EmptyWed Nov 20, 2019 8:43 am

Morality/Ethics = Genetics/Memetics = Nature/Culture
A proper definition of morality begins with an observable, testable, falsifiable, activity, i.e., behaviour. It does not begin with an ideology, attempting to integrate behaviour into its principles, but it builds an ideology from the ground up.
Morality is first and foremost an activity. An activity that crosses species boundaries. We can observe this behaviour, this way of inter-relating, in other species. The common traits of these species, including homo sapient, will offer an explanation of how and why morality, or moral behaviour evolved. This would be the grounding, the genetic foundation, from which we begin so as to then understand how man encoded this and added to it; how memes are built upon genes.
From the general we proceed towards specifics. We begin with a general foundation and then we proceeds towards increasingly specific manifestations of it.
So a general behaviour is established, including more than one species; then we proceed to study how this general rule is slightly modified in a specific species; then we proceed to study how memes contribute, corrupting of honing this behaviour, promoting specific cultural modification in this behaviour; then we proceed to study how individuals within these specific cultural moral modifications, founded no a general behaviour, relate to it; then we can even go further and study a specific individual within this intricate matrix of ethical codes built upon moral behaviours, which are not unique to humans.

Therefore, 'morality' is a word that can be sued to refer to observable behaviours that cross species lines and facilitate a specific function that contributes to survival propagation - we can call morality the genetic foundation; and we can use another term 'ethos' to differentiate it from the previous, representing the memetic component promoting additional limits to human behaviour, facilitating the survival of human societies, with specific ideals.
Morality/Ethics as the behavioural by-products of genes/memes.      

This Bottom<>Up reasoning is the proper method of defining words, representing concepts, when and if possible.
In cases where the concept cannot be traced back to a behaviour, an activity, we must place these in the category of theoretical concepts, or concepts, represented by words, that remain doubtful.
If we advance in this methodology we can now distinguish words, representing concepts that not only lack an empirical foundation but actually contradict or challenge observable, experienced reality, as being nihilistic, or nonsensical, and we must seek the 'foundation' in psychology, as an underlying starting motive.

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