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PostSubject: Re: The Upcoming Chaos Of The United States And The Entire World. Fri Jun 20, 2014 5:30 am

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I seriously doubt there will be any meaningful collapse of the civilizational model for some time. Some reasons:

A lack of genuine suffering in the West (no starvation, no epidemic diseases, homelessness mostly a lifestyle choice etc).

Overproducton reigns supreme. The largest problem in the developing world is obesity. Think about that for a moment. With advanced production techniques and technologies and sterile sexual satiation being ubiquitous in the West, we will continue to produce absurd amounts of junk in order to distract the majority of people from a reality which they seemingly do not have the mental fortitude to endure.

A lack of genuine alternatives: the choice at present is civilization or an anarchic abyss. This is an easy choice from most people. The right is too individualistic and the left actually requires the state in order to exist (something I am certain that most leaders in feminist, civil rights and gender politics are acutely aware of)

A media full of constant and never-ending distractions which either pacify people or hijack their more destructive impulses. When one binge watches Breaking Bad for example the intensity is what captivates and ultimately subdues the most aggressive parts of their nature. People become voyeurs to counteract the tedium of everyday reality.

Few people will desire a return to classical economics because it would leave them in an untenable position financially. As such the eternal credit bubble will continue to grow.

There is also the possibility that resources such as oil are nowhere near as scarce as they have been made out to be. There are several massive deposits which remain untapped and techniques are advancing all of the time to extract from more difficult terrains. There are also 7 billion people on the planet. Most fall under one of the following categories: impoverished, ignorant, weak, sickly, starving, without options, without dignity. This suggests that a return to raw manpower is much more likely than a revolution.

The majority of political violence seems to be coming from the anti-fascist fascists. It is also tolerated by the system to a large degree. The fascist and right leaning populations seem far more concerned about denying allegations of racism and proving that they can operate peacefully than imposing themselves.

Let's face it, things are going to get more absurd for quite some time yet. With Hilary at the helm we will no doubt see the most blatant assaults on reality that you can imagine combined with increasingly powerful coercive measures for those who do not 'fall in line' and openly embrace the unreality of the status quo.

In short, either hide yourself amongst them or pull an Elliot Rodger. There is no revolution on the horizon. Except perhaps a pre-orchestrated one to advance the modern socialist welfare state using dullards and would be Trotsky's to undermine any ordering which presents itself as too masculine, too traditional etc.


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I seriously doubt there will be any meaningful collapse of the civilizational model for some time. Some reasons:

Did you even watch the videos I posted on global peak energy that we are all going through?

They were entitled There's No Tomorrow and Blind Spot.

Once the energy runs out the gravy train of industrial technological society will come to a quick end.



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A lack of genuine alternatives: the choice at present is civilization or an anarchic abyss.

I choose an anarchic abyss which isn't really abysmal at all but is in fact the regular existence of nature without human intervention.

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A media full of constant and never-ending distractions which either pacify people or hijack their more destructive impulses. When one binge watches Breaking Bad for example the intensity is what captivates and ultimately subdues the most aggressive parts of their nature. People become voyeurs to counteract the tedium of everyday reality.

Indeed. Everybody lives in a perpetual dream or fantasy world.  Everybody lives in a constant mental haze.

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There is also the possibility that resources such as oil are nowhere near as scarce as they have been made out to be. There are several massive deposits which remain untapped and techniques are advancing all of the time to extract from more difficult terrains.

Evidence?  I would gladly like to debate you on the global energy crisis in another thread if you would like.

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Let's face it, things are going to get more absurd for quite some time yet. With Hilary at the helm we will no doubt see the most blatant assaults on reality that you can imagine combined with increasingly powerful coercive measures for those who do not 'fall in line' and openly embrace the unreality of the status quo.

If Hilary Clinton becomes the next president she will enact a bunch of pro- female enactions I'm sure.

It will become mandatory that every woman within the United States to have a male slave, servant, chauffeur, and butler.  That's the sort of socially progressive policies I expect out of that cunt/ bitch.

Women everywhere will hail it all as a great success.

Maybe we would get to see her riding on the back of Bill with a saddle on his back all throughout the White House also.

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In short, either hide yourself amongst them or pull an Elliot Rodger.

If I decide to pull anything it is going to be a combined Jack The Ripper, The Zodiac Killer, Ted Kaczynski, and Ted Bundy.

Public mass shootings are for amateurs and idiots.

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There is no revolution on the horizon. Except perhaps a pre-orchestrated one to advance the modern socialist welfare state using dullards and would be Trotsky's to undermine any ordering which presents itself as too masculine, too traditional etc.

I don't really support revolution.  Revolution is useless.  Revolution doesn't accomplish anything.

Revolution: Meet the new boss same as the old one.

I do support however the whole scale destruction of modern civilization so that an entirely new existence can come about out of the smoldering ashes.


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PostSubject: Re: The Upcoming Chaos Of The United States And The Entire World. Fri Jun 20, 2014 6:09 am

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It took Rome 1000 years to collapse...and then it did not implode, it fragmented into two.

Civilizations decline, fragment and are absorbed into new emerging ones.
They do not collapse leaving behind a void...unless some natural catastrophic event hits the Earth as a whole.

Those who dream of it are really expressing their own dissatisfaction, hoping that they will manage to fare better if the board is swept clean.  

When I said the end what I meant was of current civilization.

You are correct that they decline, fragment, and get absorbed.

Many that do dream for the end know that they would fare better once the board is swept clean.


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PostSubject: Re: The Upcoming Chaos Of The United States And The Entire World. Fri Jun 20, 2014 6:38 am

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When LOL says "chaos is the great equalizer", and then rants on feminism, he doesn't realize he's using the same feminist argument that if everything were equal, if equal opportunism were provided, as if that's what's holding them back, then they would achieve just as much.

This is a farce.

His chaos-ism is so apparently the feminist nihilism.
Good point.

He is on-board with feminism and the feminine type of nihilism, as a towards randomness....but this position is pretended.

With anarchism duplicity is at work, because there is no such possibility of a system without arche, without a ruler and the ruled, or without hierarchies.
What is going on here is a Judeo-Christian projection of hope as a beyond (the antidote to fear/anxiety), but now secularized into a immanent, yet to be...coming.
Faith based hope - future is better than past.
"Present" being the more immediate past.

The dissatisfied male dreams of destruction because there he hopes, dreams, imagines, his options will be greater.
He cannot adapt here, in this controlled, stable, environment, but he convinces himself that in the more chaotic jungles of natural selection he will come up on top.




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He is on-board with feminism and the feminine type of nihilism, as a towards randomness....but this position is pretended.

In another thread I spoke about how the practice of stoning women should be brought to the West and, I'm called a feminist?  I see no rhyme or reason within your statements.

Pretended?  What is being pretended?


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With anarchism duplicity is at work, because there is no such possibility of a system without arche, without a ruler and the ruled, or without hierarchies.

The difference between anarchy and government is a simple one.

In anarchy, anybody can set up their own hierarchies so long as they can maintain it.

In government, there is one singular hierarchy that demands everybody gives obedience and fealty to.

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What is going on here is a Judeo-Christian projection of hope as a beyond (the antidote to fear/anxiety), but now secularized into a immanent, yet to be...coming.

I worship no God.  Such statements above are meaningless.

I do await a future that I believe I would fair better in, yes.

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Faith based hope - future is better than past.
"Present" being the more immediate past.


The only problem with that kind of premise is that I believe the future is going to regress right back to a past  like existence on a grand scale.

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The dissatisfied male dreams of destruction because there he hopes, dreams, imagines, his options will be greater.
He cannot adapt here, in this controlled, stable, environment, but he convinces himself that in the more chaotic jungles of natural selection he will come up on top.

You don't dream of destruction of this current world also?  

Let's be honest here, your entire writing is a reflection that you want it all destroyed just as much as I do.

Adapt where?  In this global zoo?  How does a lion adapt within a cage or prison?

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but he convinces himself that in the more chaotic jungles of natural selection he will come up on top.

Where the herd is not in control of there is no herd morality.

In that environment, there are only wolves with no rules, morals, or imposed obligations.

Yes, I know that I would fare better in such an environment.
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PostSubject: Re: The Upcoming Chaos Of The United States And The Entire World. Fri Jun 20, 2014 7:30 am

Riiiight...

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You don't dream of destruction of this current world also?
No....because I'm not crazy.

Destruction is an option for minds who imagine they would survive such an event.
People with so little, that they have nothing to lose.

I describe an urban jungle, giving no advice and no solutions; an urban jungle populated by all kinds of creatures.
You dream of returning to the real jungle, because you are clueless.

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Yes, I know that I would fare better in such an environment.
Blind faith....hope.
The Christian mind imagines that it will survive death.

Here is what I know, based on observing you over the years:
You are detached from reality.
You are insecure.
You compensate with an inflated self-image - undeserved arrogance.
You have little ability to cooperate.
You have zero political acumen, or talent, or charm.

Possible results in a scenario where you, miraculously, survive a calamity that wipes out humanity to the point where no authority exists:
1- You become a follower of someone else.
Placing yourself under a hierarchy structure.
2- You are dead in a week or two.


Good luck with the rest.

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PostSubject: Re: The Upcoming Chaos Of The United States And The Entire World. Fri Jun 20, 2014 11:49 am

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I do support however the whole scale destruction of modern civilization so that an entirely new existence can come about out of the smoldering ashes.

Relevant question(assuming this mass destruction takes place): What makes you think YOU would be one of the lucky ones to survive?
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PostSubject: Re: The Upcoming Chaos Of The United States And The Entire World. Fri Jun 20, 2014 1:41 pm

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I do support however the whole scale destruction of modern civilization so that an entirely new existence can come about out of the smoldering ashes.

Relevant question(assuming this mass destruction takes place): What makes you think YOU would be one of the lucky ones to survive?
Blind Faith = Judeo-Christianity
Blind Faith = Irrational Faith...Nihilistic Faith: faith that contradicts reality, or nature/past.

Faith being hope with no justification.

Justification being based on probabilities.

Probability based on patterns.

Patterns being perceptions of past, in the past.

So, he, based on a past which contradicts his projections into the future, has faith in the coming future where despite past patterns of bad performance, he will begin performing in excess of every other "survivor"....

The result?
He becomes top dawg.


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PostSubject: Re: The Upcoming Chaos Of The United States And The Entire World. Fri Jun 20, 2014 1:58 pm

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I do support however the whole scale destruction of modern civilization so that an entirely new existence can come about out of the smoldering ashes.

Relevant question(assuming this mass destruction takes place): What makes you think YOU would be one of the lucky ones to survive?

I don't. It's a gamble. That's what makes it all the more fun.

All of life including my own hangs in the balance.

All I can do is prepare for said global event.

As for Satyr's posts which I'll get to later tonight I don't imagine myself as the top dog or wolf at all. Goodness no, there are people out there by far more scary than I am however with that being said I would describe myself formidable enough to be a competitive contender in such an environment.
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PostSubject: Re: The Upcoming Chaos Of The United States And The Entire World. Fri Jun 20, 2014 2:22 pm

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At the very least a major die-off in some areas. I think I said this before, but two families I know are moving back to Scandinavia from thrid world countries. Both bought property in rural areas, quite an impression must of been made.
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PostSubject: Re: The Upcoming Chaos Of The United States And The Entire World. Fri Jun 20, 2014 2:23 pm

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I do support however the whole scale destruction of modern civilization so that an entirely new existence can come about out of the smoldering ashes.

Relevant question(assuming this mass destruction takes place): What makes you think YOU would be one of the lucky ones to survive?

I don't. It's a gamble. That's what makes it all the more fun.

All of life including my own hangs in the balance.

All I can do is prepare for said global event.
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Firstly, How is the man made extinction of 95% of the world population a gamble?
"95%" seems too much of an accountable statistic of yours to exclude you.

Secondly, if your own life is valueless, if nihilism is your salvation, and all you wish to do is be a means to succeed some New World Order, than why not find some leader to submit to and give yourself over to and to be a blind, servile expendable tool for?
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PostSubject: Re: The Upcoming Chaos Of The United States And The Entire World. Fri Jun 20, 2014 2:27 pm

It's not a gamble. Wealth is not measured solely in terms of currency.
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PostSubject: Re: The Upcoming Chaos Of The United States And The Entire World. Sat Jun 21, 2014 12:26 am

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Any non-local disruptions will lead to certain kinds of chaos AND certain kinds of more rigid order.   Power will organize and create regions of martial law and squeeze outward pockets of chaos.   Outside their purview, drug lords, gang members, military units, survivalist groups will also be suddenly enforcing brutal order.   There is a fantasy element in thinking that some kind of global collapse leads to a free for all anarchy were everyone is on an even footing and the most ruthless will clear the local grocery store shelves first and people can live like squatters whereever they like and other post-apocalyptic teenage hallucinations.   Right now there is mundane chaos everywhere, even in the west, or people would not be spending time, trivially, typing away their hopes for the destruction of society.   Once there is disruption of food access, water access, you will suddenly find all that mundane chaos shut off.   The fact is that pretty much anyone who will do well post-collapse could do well now.   They could simply go to the outskirts of society and set up camp and would be much less likely to be controlled by more powerful forces.  After collapse extreme enforcements of order will be roaming everywhere.

I find this all a bit like someone whose life sucks thinking everything will get better when they have a kid.   Or more to another city.

Guess what, incredibly unlikely.

Out of work mercenaries on the other hand, might potentially be looking forward to the opportunities.   But then one has to wonder why they are out of work now.
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PostSubject: Re: The Upcoming Chaos Of The United States And The Entire World. Tue Jun 24, 2014 11:13 am

"I desire the collapse of civilization"

Unless you can walk out into the wilderness right now (with only what you have on your back and in your pockets) and survive, craving apocalypse is an admission of suicide desire.

Seems to me: most folks who want BIG, violent, change ("the collapse of civilization") mostly are incapable of navigating the world (incapable of adapting), so, such folks eat a bullet or eat Drano, or, they get riled up and wanna 'change the world'.

Eatin' a bullet (or Drano) might be the more sensible route.

Even more sensible: learn to navigate the world.

First step: defend your head.

There's a whole whack of folks tryin' to pour crap into your skull...they do this with one intent...viewing you as 'resource', they want you to 'obey'.

Defend your head...sort out (as best you can) the contents of your head (some of what's in there is 'you'; a lot of what's in there [I'm bettin'] is 'them')...clear out the clutter (as best you can).


Also: 'civilization' isn't sumthin' to be cracked...it's not a 'thing'.

Civilization -- fundamentally -- is the on-going result of at least two persons agreeing NOT to kill one another, agreeing NOT to steal from each other, agreeing NOT to physically hurt one another, so that each can go off and do sumthin' (anything) else besides self-defend 24/7.

No other definition makes sense (to me).

So: when you say wanna wreck civilization (beyond expressing a suicide desire), it seems what you really say is, 'I wanna smash all the physicality that extends out from folks doin' [buildin'] things' or 'I wanna smash people'.

Sounds like envy (I want, but don't have [stuff, companions]).


Now, you can discharge yourself as you like...I just think you might find your living a more satisfying experience if you attend to 'you' (instead of 'the world' or everyone else).

Two pennies you can pocket or toss as you will.
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PostSubject: Re: The Upcoming Chaos Of The United States And The Entire World. Tue Jun 24, 2014 11:25 am

He doesn't want to end civilization, he wants to end mankind.

It's a suicide wish, but he cannot tolerate the idea that when he kills himself others will not notice and go on living their lives.
That's why he dreams of a worldwide mass suicide....

It's self-hatred coupled with resentment for those who do not hate themselves.

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PostSubject: Re: The Upcoming Chaos Of The United States And The Entire World. Tue Jun 24, 2014 11:27 am

Yeah, that's how I read it (him).

He's been offered an alternative: it's on him (not the world).
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PostSubject: Re: The Upcoming Chaos Of The United States And The Entire World. Tue Jun 24, 2014 11:43 am

"Wealth is not measured solely in terms of currency"

Sure, but 'gold' is what folks want and trade themselves off for.

It's pretty and shiny and (more important) a consistent, consensual, reservoir of 'value'.

Me: I don't get it....if LM's apocalypse comes, well, you can't eat gold, can't adequately defend with gold, can't adequately offend with it.

It's for shit as toilet paper.

So: why the gold-hunger?

Cuz it's simple, consistent, consensual (for the most part).

Yeah, it's not the sole measure of wealth but it is the most obvious one, the one most everyone's been trained to want and use.

And: as gold only has use within 'status quo' (when folks largely aren't slaughtering each other), that gold is pushed and pushed and pushed indicates the powers that be aren't too much interested in seein' apocalypse happen ('they' prosper because of  'status quo', and 'they' run the show, so...).

A little overthrow here, a little dissent there, is good (as adjustment), but wholesale, big-ass, world wrecking ain't happening.


Sorry, phoneutria: I used your comment to rant (completely out of context).
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PostSubject: Re: The Upcoming Chaos Of The United States And The Entire World. Tue Jun 24, 2014 11:09 pm

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"Wealth is not measured solely in terms of currency"

Sure, but 'gold' is what folks want and trade themselves off for.

It's pretty and shiny and (more important) a consistent, consensual, reservoir of 'value'.

Me: I don't get it....if LM's apocalypse comes, well, you can't eat gold, can't adequately defend with gold, can't adequately offend with it.

It's for shit as toilet paper.

So: why the gold-hunger?

Cuz it's simple, consistent, consensual (for the most part).

Yeah, it's not the sole measure of wealth but it is the most obvious one, the one most everyone's been trained to want and use.

And: as gold only has use within 'status quo' (when folks largely aren't slaughtering each other), that gold is pushed and pushed and pushed indicates the powers that be aren't too much interested in seein' apocalypse happen ('they' prosper because of  'status quo', and 'they' run the show, so...).

A little overthrow here, a little dissent there, is good (as adjustment), but wholesale, big-ass, world wrecking ain't happening.


Sorry, phoneutria: I used your comment to rant (completely out of context).

It's simple really.  Gather enough weapons and ammunitions so that when the time comes you steal everybody elses wealth whether real or imaginary.
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PostSubject: Re: The Upcoming Chaos Of The United States And The Entire World. Tue Jun 24, 2014 11:13 pm

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It's not a gamble. Wealth is not measured solely in terms of currency.

That's rich coming from a woman who's primary gods are money and authority.

Don't blow smoke up my ass darling.
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PostSubject: Re: The Upcoming Chaos Of The United States And The Entire World. Tue Jun 24, 2014 11:15 pm

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stargazer wrote:
LaughingMan wrote:


I do support however the whole scale destruction of modern civilization so that an entirely new existence can come about out of the smoldering ashes.

Relevant question(assuming this mass destruction takes place): What makes you think YOU would be one of the lucky ones to survive?

I don't. It's a gamble. That's what makes it all the more fun.

All of life including my own hangs in the balance.

All I can do is prepare for said global event.
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Firstly, How is the man made extinction of 95% of the world population a gamble?
"95%" seems too much of an accountable statistic of yours to exclude you.

Secondly, if your own life is valueless, if nihilism is your salvation, and all you wish to do is be a means to succeed some New World Order, than why not find some leader to submit to and give yourself over to and to be a blind, servile expendable tool for?

It's high stakes and risk gambling for sure. There is no way getting around that.

I don't do politics. Politics are for fools and pawns.

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The Upcoming Chaos Of The United States And The Entire World.

Any non-local disruptions will lead to certain kinds of chaos AND certain kinds of more rigid order.   Power will organize and create regions of martial law and squeeze outward pockets of chaos.   Outside their purview, drug lords, gang members, military units, survivalist groups will also be suddenly enforcing brutal order.   There is a fantasy element in thinking that some kind of global collapse leads to a free for all anarchy were everyone is on an even footing and the most ruthless will clear the local grocery store shelves first and people can live like squatters whereever they like and other post-apocalyptic teenage hallucinations.   Right now there is mundane chaos everywhere, even in the west, or people would not be spending time, trivially, typing away their hopes for the destruction of society.   Once there is disruption of food access, water access, you will suddenly find all that mundane chaos shut off.   The fact is that pretty much anyone who will do well post-collapse could do well now.   They could simply go to the outskirts of society and set up camp and would be much less likely to be controlled by more powerful forces.  After collapse extreme enforcements of order will be roaming everywhere.

I find this all a bit like someone whose life sucks thinking everything will get better when they have a kid.   Or more to another city.

Guess what, incredibly unlikely.

Out of work mercenaries on the other hand, might potentially be looking forward to the opportunities.   But then one has to wonder why they are out of work now.

Your faith in authority is a bit perplexing to say in the very least.

Once you remove law where lawlessness becomes the norm it will be an environment of free for all anarchy. That you can be sure of.  Why are those in a post-collapse that would be successful not be currently? Two things.  Law and government regulation.

You be surprised what people can do when you remove both from the equation altogether.  Once herd morality is removed completely.....

I just can't wait when the current powers lose control completely.

Then the free for all begins....

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Any non-local disruptions will lead to certain kinds of chaos AND certain kinds of more rigid order.

What part of governments entirely losing control presently do you not understand?

Any military intervention by government powers upon a crisis is nothing more than an expression of weakness and desperation on their part.

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Power will organize and create regions of martial law and squeeze outward pockets of chaos.
 

They'll try anyways....

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Once there is disruption of food access, water access, you will suddenly find all that mundane chaos shut off.
 

Incorrect.  Have you ever come across a starving and dehydrated violent animal before?

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They could simply go to the outskirts of society and set up camp and would be much less likely to be controlled by more powerful forces.

They could if they had the money and means to.

Everybody would do so if they had both.

I don't think you fully understand the complexities involved in living on the outskirts of civilization.  I on the other hand do through personal experience and years of research.

It takes roughly $20,000.00 of resources to live eighteen or so more years off the grid successfully in some remote wilderness location.

That's with a bare minimum......

You have to be pretty much invisible to live that way also being that it's illegal where the authorities would round you up if spotted. Been there, done that.

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After collapse extreme enforcements of order will be roaming everywhere.

Extreme enforcements of disorder will be prevalent also roaming everywhere.

You haven't the slightest clue....

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I find this all a bit like someone whose life sucks thinking everything will get better when they have a kid.   Or more to another city.

Guess what, incredibly unlikely.

When you have nothing you have everything to gain.

You talk like a person who has much to lose.  I wouldn't expect you to understand.


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Out of work mercenaries on the other hand, might potentially be looking forward to the opportunities.   But then one has to wonder why they are out of work now.

They're not.  They all work for Haliburton and US.corp
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PostSubject: Re: The Upcoming Chaos Of The United States And The Entire World. Wed Jun 25, 2014 12:13 am

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Riiiight...

LaughingMan wrote:
You don't dream of destruction of this current world also?  
No....because I'm not crazy.

Destruction is an option for minds who imagine they would survive such an event.
People with so little, that they have nothing to lose.

I describe an urban jungle, giving no advice and no solutions; an urban jungle populated by all kinds of creatures.
You dream of returning to the real jungle, because you are clueless.  

LaughingMan wrote:
Yes, I know that I would fare better in such an environment.
Blind faith....hope.
The Christian mind imagines that it will survive death.

Here is what I know, based on observing you over the years:
You are detached from reality.
You are insecure.
You compensate with an inflated self-image - undeserved arrogance.
You have little ability to cooperate.
You have zero political acumen, or talent, or charm.

Possible results in a scenario where you, miraculously, survive a calamity that wipes out humanity to the point where no authority exists:
1- You become a follower of someone else.
Placing yourself under a hierarchy structure.
2- You are dead in a week or two.  


Good luck with the rest.


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Riiiight...

No....because I'm not crazy.

 Laughing 

Allow me for one moment to soak this grand twist of irony in......... clown 

Satyr the great diabolical Hannibal The Cannibal calling me crazy?  Laughing 

Well,  I don't know whether I should take that as some sort of insult or compliment. Laughing 



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Destruction is an option for minds who imagine they would survive such an event.
People with so little, that they have nothing to lose.

The perfect kind of people to survive such an event.

Do you have a lot to lose by comparison Satyr?



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I describe an urban jungle, giving no advice and no solutions; an urban jungle populated by all kinds of creatures.
You dream of returning to the real jungle, because you are clueless.

Ah, yes, the scientific philosopher studying the world around him in the books of his comfortable study room with a window view.

I dream of returning to the real jungle because I'm a predator.

Clueless?  Who's really clueless here?

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Blind faith....hope.
The Christian mind imagines that it will survive death.

Idiotic prognosis.  I suppose we should all be just like Satyr making declarations and analytical synopsis of the entire world singing woe is everything by having nothing to look forward to.

Unlike you I see an exit out of this hopelessness and despair.

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Possible results in a scenario where you, miraculously, survive a calamity that wipes out humanity to the point where no authority exists:
1- You become a follower of someone else.
Placing yourself under a hierarchy structure.
2- You are dead in a week or two.  


Good luck with the rest.




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Here is what I know, based on observing you over the years:
You are detached from reality.
You are insecure.
You compensate with an inflated self-image - undeserved arrogance.
You have little ability to cooperate.
You have zero political acumen, or talent, or charm.

1. What is reality?

2.  The entire world is insecure.

3.  Laughing  You're one to talk

4.  I could if others made it worth my while to do so.  So far nobody has....

5.  All of politics is complete bullshit.

The only people that excel in politics are snake oil salesman, politicians, and priests.

Which one of those are you?
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PostSubject: Re: The Upcoming Chaos Of The United States And The Entire World. Wed Jun 25, 2014 12:34 am

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stargazer wrote:
LaughingMan wrote:


I do support however the whole scale destruction of modern civilization so that an entirely new existence can come about out of the smoldering ashes.

Relevant question(assuming this mass destruction takes place): What makes you think YOU would be one of the lucky ones to survive?
Blind Faith = Judeo-Christianity
Blind Faith = Irrational Faith...Nihilistic Faith: faith that contradicts reality, or nature/past.

Faith being hope with no justification.

Justification being based on probabilities.

Probability based on patterns.

Patterns being perceptions of past, in the past.

So, he, based on a past which contradicts his projections into the future, has faith in the coming future where despite past patterns of bad performance, he will begin performing in excess of every other "survivor"....

The result?
He becomes top dawg.




Satyr, the anointed and chosen one here to deliver us all the great message of what the true reality of existence is.  KTS is the 24/7 internet sermon on the mound.

The Lord [Satyr] is my shepherd; I shall not want.

He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.

He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.

Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.........

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PostSubject: Re: The Upcoming Chaos Of The United States And The Entire World. Wed Jun 25, 2014 12:44 am

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"I desire the collapse of civilization"

Unless you can walk out into the wilderness right now (with only what you have on your back and in your pockets) and survive, craving apocalypse is an admission of suicide desire.

Seems to me: most folks who want BIG, violent, change ("the collapse of civilization") mostly are incapable of navigating the world (incapable of adapting), so, such folks eat a bullet or eat Drano, or, they get riled up and wanna 'change the world'.

Eatin' a bullet (or Drano) might be the more sensible route.

Even more sensible: learn to navigate the world.

First step: defend your head.

There's a whole whack of folks tryin' to pour crap into your skull...they do this with one intent...viewing you as 'resource', they want you to 'obey'.

Defend your head...sort out (as best you can) the contents of your head (some of what's in there is 'you'; a lot of what's in there [I'm bettin'] is 'them')...clear out the clutter (as best you can).


Also: 'civilization' isn't sumthin' to be cracked...it's not a 'thing'.

Civilization -- fundamentally -- is the on-going result of at least two persons agreeing NOT to kill one another, agreeing NOT to steal from each other, agreeing NOT to physically hurt one another, so that each can go off and do sumthin' (anything) else besides self-defend 24/7.

No other definition makes sense (to me).

So: when you say wanna wreck civilization (beyond expressing a suicide desire), it seems what you really say is, 'I wanna smash all the physicality that extends out from folks doin' [buildin'] things' or 'I wanna smash people'.

Sounds like envy (I want, but don't have [stuff, companions]).


Now, you can discharge yourself as you like...I just think you might find your living a more satisfying experience if you attend to 'you' (instead of 'the world' or everyone else).

Two pennies you can pocket or toss as you will.

Nobody goes into the wilderness with just the clothes on their back.  Not even the most staunch survivalist Apache warrior would desire that.


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Seems to me: most folks who want BIG, violent, change ("the collapse of civilization") mostly are incapable of navigating the world (incapable of adapting), so, such folks eat a bullet or eat Drano, or, they get riled up and wanna 'change the world'.

Or the people that cannot adapt within the domestication process of the global human zoo that tries to control all facets of people's lives with invisible forces of God, government, and morality......

How does one adapt in a cage or fenced enclosure?

I know your type.  Just another pretend ubermensch with his back pressed firmly on the ass of government with his hands stroking big brother off.

You're not a self made man. Don't even kid yourself.

Without God, government, authority, morality, law, and money you're nothing.

Just another special protected and entitled individual like the rest.

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First step: defend your head.

There's a whole whack of folks tryin' to pour crap into your skull...they do this with one intent...viewing you as 'resource', they want you to 'obey'.

Defend your head...sort out (as best you can) the contents of your head (some of what's in there is 'you'; a lot of what's in there [I'm bettin'] is 'them')...clear out the clutter (as best you can).

It's you that needs to pay attention to the patterns of global events.

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Also: 'civilization' isn't sumthin' to be cracked...it's not a 'thing'.

Civilization -- fundamentally -- is the on-going result of at least two persons agreeing NOT to kill one another, agreeing NOT to steal from each other, agreeing NOT to physically hurt one another, so that each can go off and do sumthin' (anything) else besides self-defend 24/7.

No other definition makes sense (to me)




Civilization is nothing more than a conspiracy of one group of individuals against all others.  There's one major gang that controls everything that calls itself government that doesn't like competition from anybody else.

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So: when you say wanna wreck civilization (beyond expressing a suicide desire), it seems what you really say is, 'I wanna smash all the physicality that extends out from folks doin' [buildin'] things' or 'I wanna smash people'.

Sounds like envy (I want, but don't have [stuff, companions]).




No, it's me saying that I want all of degenerate filth destroyed in all one swoop where I don't have to do much work at all other than kill off the few survivors out of said global event.

Yes, I am envious and you would be too if you were me.

Envy is nothing more than an extension of selfishness and I think we all concur that's a natural process.

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Now, you can discharge yourself as you like...I just think you might find your living a more satisfying experience if you attend to 'you' (instead of 'the world' or everyone else).

Two pennies you can pocket or toss as you will.

I'm doing just fine. Thanks for asking.
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PostSubject: Re: The Upcoming Chaos Of The United States And The Entire World. Wed Jun 25, 2014 1:08 am

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He doesn't want to end civilization, he wants to end mankind.

It's a suicide wish, but he cannot tolerate the idea that when he kills himself others will not notice and go on living their lives.
That's why he dreams of a worldwide mass suicide....

It's self-hatred coupled with resentment for those who do not hate themselves.

Incorrect.  I want to see a new type of world flourish but in order for that to happen everything in this world must be destroyed. As they say, everything must go!  

I believe in creative destruction.

There can be no creation without destruction.

The world is a forest.  In order for a new forest to grow and set up roots the old one must be set entirely ablaze.

Your post is nonsense.  How very mentally limited and unimaginative of you.
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PostSubject: Re: The Upcoming Chaos Of The United States And The Entire World. Wed Jun 25, 2014 12:26 pm

So: you tossed the two pennies.

Not surprising (predictable).

What you (don't) make of yourself: all on you.

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PostSubject: Re: The Upcoming Chaos Of The United States And The Entire World. Wed Jun 25, 2014 1:18 pm

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Unlike you I see an exit out of this hopelessness and despair.

What hopelessness and despair?

I don't think Satyr ever said everything is woeful and there's nothing to look forward to.
Sounds like you're trying to paint him as the nihilist you are.
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PostSubject: Re: The Upcoming Chaos Of The United States And The Entire World. Wed Jun 25, 2014 1:38 pm

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Clueless?  Who's really clueless here?

I am clueless.

What you should do, now that you've realized this, is never, ever, pay me any attention.

Never, ever, read anything I post.

Do yourself a favor and please, please, do so.
Teach me a lesson I will not soon forget.

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PostSubject: Re: The Upcoming Chaos Of The United States And The Entire World. Wed Jun 25, 2014 1:49 pm

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LaughingMan wrote:
Unlike you I see an exit out of this hopelessness and despair.

What hopelessness and despair?

I don't think Satyr ever said everything is woeful and there's nothing to look forward to.
Sounds like you're trying to paint him as the nihilist you are.

I think most people don't even know what nihilism is when they discuss it.

At the very least they don't realize its true potential as a form of perception.

What is it that people support around here if it not nihilism?

A civil society? Don't make me laugh......
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PostSubject: Re: The Upcoming Chaos Of The United States And The Entire World. Wed Jun 25, 2014 1:55 pm

Satyr wrote:
LaughingStock wrote:



Clueless?  Who's really clueless here?

I am clueless.

What you should do, now that you've realized this, is never, ever, pay me any attention.

Never, ever, read anything I post.

Do yourself a favor and please, please, do so.
Teach me a lesson I will not soon forget.

What's this?

Obviously some sort of ruse on your part.

Ignore you? Where would all the fun be in that?

No, I'm your number one fan baby.

What's the matter? No snappy comebacks or insults?

Throwing in the towel of resignation already?

That's not the Satyr I once knew.
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PostSubject: Re: The Upcoming Chaos Of The United States And The Entire World. Wed Jun 25, 2014 2:02 pm

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So: you tossed the two pennies.

Not surprising (predictable).

What you (don't) make of yourself: all on you.

*shrug*

Can you be any more vague?
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PostSubject: Re: The Upcoming Chaos Of The United States And The Entire World. Thu Jun 26, 2014 2:54 am



Uh-oh......Did they see this coming?  Suspect clown 

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Here Is The Reason For The Total Collapse In Q1 GDP

Remember back in April, when the first GDP estimate was released (a gargantuan by comparison 0.1% hence revised to a depression equivalent -2.9%), we wrote: "If It Wasn't For Obamacare, Q1 GDP Would Be Negative." Well, now that GDP is not only negative, but the worst it has been in five years, we are once again proven right. But not only because GDP was indeed negative, but because the real reason for today's epic collapse in GDP was, you guessed it, Obamacare.

Here is the chart we posted in April, showing the contribution of Obamacare, aka Healthcare Services spending. It was, in a word, an all time high.




Turns out this number was based on.... nothing.

Because as the next chart below shows, between the second and final revision of Q1 GDP something dramatic happened: instead of contributing $40 billion to real GDP in Q1, Obamacare magically ended up subtracting $6.4 billion from GDP. This, in turn, resulted in a collapse in Personal Consumption Expenditures as a percentage of GDP to just 0.7%, the lowest since 2009!



Don't worry thought: this is actually great news! Because the brilliant propaganda minds at the Dept of Commerce figured out something banks also realized with the stub "kitchen sink" quarter in November 2008. Namely, since Q1 is a total loss in GDP terms, let's just remove Obamacare spending as a contributor to Q1 GDP and just shove it in Q2.

Stated otherwise, some $40 billion in PCE that was supposed to boost Q1 GDP will now be added to Q2-Q4.

And now, we all await as the US department of truth says, with a straight face, that in Q2 the US GDP "grew" by over 5% (no really: you'll see).

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-25/here-reason-total-collapse-q1-gdp

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