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PostSubject: Re: Fixed and Value Ontology Tue Dec 02, 2014 11:24 am

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From 14:00 - 18:00,,,

you can see they themselves say, esp. @18 they specifically clarify by the self-valuing of a rock, they do Not mean human consciousness or human valuing in the normal sense we understand.

Nietzsche says,

"Against determinism and teleology.- From the fact that something ensues regularly and ensues calculably, it does not follow that it ensues necessarily. That a quantum of force determines and conducts itself in every particular case in one way and manner does not make it into an "unfree will." "Mechanical necessity" is not a fact: it is we who first interpreted it into events. We have interpreted the forrnulatable character of everits as the consequence of a necessity that rules over events. But from the fact that I do a certain thing, it by no means follows that I am compelled to do it. Compulsion in things certainly cannot be demonstrated: the rule proves only that one and the same event is not another event as well." [WTP, 552]

"All events, all motion, all becoming, as a determination of degrees and relations of force, as a struggle-" [WTP, 552]

"Against apparent "necessity":
-this is only an expression for the fact that a force is not also something else." [WTP, 552]


Whether the organic or inorganic world, at every minute there is a quanta of force, a "relation" of "decisive" forces by which a power manifests in a certain configuration and cannot exceed that configuration. That force cannot also be something else. This retentive logic is what gives the apple its appleness from the orange.
Needless to say, the appleness of the apple is our mind abstracting that 'logical necessity' as a pattern by which it is what it is and not something else.

In the video, they call it the "cohesive force" that keeps an entity together as that entity - the rock is that value of rockness - and to destroy its suchness is a "violation of its nature" as they call it.

This is also what is known as Dharma or "law" - not that laws exist as a valuing conscious entity, but "the rule proves only that one and the same event is not another event as well."

In Apollonian paradigm, "value" is a "strict" term for the product of will and consciousness... how they mean it is more in the sense of dharma.

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PostSubject: Re: Fixed and Value Ontology Tue Dec 02, 2014 11:28 am

No cohesive force, dear.
The rock is in the midst of (inter)acting, it is not keeping itself together.
It is, in fact, deteriorating, as we observe it.

We, as consciousness, make it into a unity and then declare it willful, or godly, or self-whatever.
We, as consciousness, construct its supposed unity, which is entirely incidental, when it comes to inanimate matter and not living matter.
Only life can will and value (judge); only life can be accused of believing in self, of pursuing an identity, an idea(l), an object/objective.

Law is a human term meaning patterns of (inter)action.  

Glad you admitted your affiliation.
We are attracted to what is most like us, if we love self...if not we are attracted to what is less like us and what promises to compensate for what we perceive as lacking in us.
As a result our affections alter, in time...particularly when they begin with a erroneous appreciation of self.

I don't mind...
My greatest value is honesty.
It's why I become vitriolic...to bring it out in those who hide from it.

So, thank you.

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PostSubject: Re: Fixed and Value Ontology Tue Dec 02, 2014 11:58 am

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No cohesive force, dear.
The rock is in the midst of (inter)acting, it is not keeping itself together.
It is, in fact, deteriorating, as we observe it.


A cohesive force is what on this forum we have referred to as a congruence, an emerging unity that tries to maintain itself as a certain rate of flow relative to our perception.

My intellectual capacity is one matter, my intellectual integrity is another matter; anyone who is truly honest will not collapse the nuance between the two.

The attack on my capacity is more than welcome, not the latter.

Like I said, do carry on,,, because my only affiliation is to self-honesty.

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PostSubject: Re: Fixed and Value Ontology Tue Dec 02, 2014 12:14 pm

Cohesion only requires the "self" which is constructing it as a singular thing.
It need not be innate in the phenomenon.

This your agreement with the Fixed.

The only self I acknowledge is the living organism which is, itself, an incomplete unity.

The tone is not self=cohesive, it is (inter)acting, discovered in the midst of ts particular (inter)action in time/space.
Th mind makes it a thing, a one.

Your integrity was not assaulted.
Self-Honesty is a matter of self-knowledge.

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PostSubject: Re: Fixed and Value Ontology Tue Dec 02, 2014 12:24 pm

Satyr wrote:
Cohesion only requires the "self" which is constructing it as a singular thing.
It need not be innate in the phenomenon.

This your agreement with the Fixed.


Their definition of cohesion as per their video, was "violation" of its suchness, what violates and splits its congruence.

You can interpret me whichever way.

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PostSubject: Re: Fixed and Value Ontology Tue Dec 02, 2014 12:38 pm

Then they are projecting their "suchness" as being willful, or part of some universal motive.

As "such" everything perceived can be "evaluated", using self, as part of a grand scheme, some unifying law.
And so you've found your own.


Lyssa wrote:
You can interpret me whichever way.

Thanks, I will, as I always have, whether you approve or give me the "right" or not.

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PostSubject: Re: Fixed and Value Ontology Tue Dec 02, 2014 12:48 pm

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Then they are projecting their "suchness" as being willful, or part of some universal motive.

As "such" everything perceived can be "evaluated", using self, as part of a grand scheme, some unifying law.

Its not for no reason, I'd titled that thread as the "Hyperreality of the Humanarchization of VO".

I had already made a list of their statements to expose their hedonistic liberal/sec.humanist/libertarian agenda, at a time that suited me...

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@52:00 - we are not saying things need to be this way or that way, but to make you more aware of this is what you have valued.

@56 - "same incentives" as xt., marxism, etc. need to be installed into humans but without turning into institutions. VO lets how we relate to each other to keep the unity.

@1:02:14 - The challenge is to affirm your own group wthout rejecting any other group

@1:03 - a mature identity doesn't divide into classes, but that we are a part of this group because we see something of value in it and not because we hate the other; we are just distinct.

@1:05 - we are giving them power to empower themselves

@1:06 - it is not relativism because it is objectively true for each subjective being; my subjective experience is what it is - it is reality for me, your values are no less than your very existence. not valued by some universal agenda or world order. they are creating the world as they explicate their values. if valuing is all that exists,, you effectively allow other beings to grow... many worlds grow and become possible.

@1:09 - what are your core values and how do you make those values thrive? there will be more joy in the world, living more fulfilled lives, we'll achieve more.

@1:11 - if you change how you approach the world, it will literally change your eyes.


...but pls. dont spare me any credit; I want none of it.

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PostSubject: Re: Fixed and Value Ontology Tue Dec 02, 2014 1:00 pm

Your kindness was tasty.
I'm sure you've offered me no less of a "free pass".

I speak of reality, not politics, or how to trick others to "maintain unity".
Did anyone say Strauss was not hiding his agenda?

This comes after you perceive what is.

Is your Dharma their humanism?
You sound very close to Fixed.
Maybe he can fix you well.
Maybe you've been broken.

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PostSubject: Re: Fixed and Value Ontology Tue Dec 02, 2014 1:25 pm

I guess philosophy has transformed.
From a discipline exploring 'what is' it has become a discipline of 'how much of this can we endure, and then share, and admit, so as to preserve the environment that protects us from what is'.

I guess consensus has been reached, and all that is left is deciding what we tell the retards, and how much we disclose to not turn them mad with desperation.
If that's the case, I'm for anything that provides that narcotic.

So, what the fuck, why not God, or rocks that self-value, because they want to "keep it together, maaaan", dogs that speak, burning bushes, woman and men being the same, appearances do not matter, changing my mind changes the universe, curing cancer using math, and so on and so forth?

Let's be polite about it.
No hint of our disdain.
All "civil" and shit.
The more civil the more we sacrifice to their stupidity.
Let's not hurt them.

I mean...why, fuckin' not?
Let's just say anything to keep every damn imbecile out there from going insane.  
Then, let's invite them to KT and share the good news.
It's all subjective!!!!
We are all valuable.
There's some power keeping it all ordered.

Why not?

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PostSubject: Re: Fixed and Value Ontology Tue Dec 02, 2014 1:48 pm

Satyr wrote:
Is your Dharma their humanism?

It isn't the same, and if you had paid attention, you'd have read me pointing out to their obfuscation on this very point between Dharma and Humanism:

Lys wrote:
"Plutonic in-tensity is a rigorous selecting standard that aims to hold max. dharmas IN their max. dharma and not As their max. dharma. Get it?"


...then again, your question mark was really superfluous, an act of reciprocal kindness on your part like you were really asking me,, when in fact, you have already concluded as such.
 

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You sound very close to Fixed.

The man wants to elude committing to certain answers,, and I can Afford to be patient - if someone wants to misconstrue that as my not wanting to hurt him, my love for him,,,,,,,, pls. dont stop yourself.

Also, don't forget to share with all, how much I want to f--- little Erik, that hot, primordiality of his throbbing cock swinging at me. I'm very easily seduced, as you know me too well. Don't forget to reveal the revelations your paranoia has first imported into me. It...



Don't forget to call me a slut.

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Maybe he can fix you well.

No one makes me cum out like you do, after your importation.

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Maybe you've been broken.

You mean exactly like how you would compliment a vampire knowing that is exactly what it wants? You mean I forgot to give you credit for your copyright? Shoot me.

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PostSubject: Re: Fixed and Value Ontology Tue Dec 02, 2014 1:49 pm

One thing is this. Who on earth can take from me what I do not want to give.
Another is this. What is the worth of having managed to take something from me that I did not want to give.

- x -

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PostSubject: Re: Fixed and Value Ontology Tue Dec 02, 2014 2:01 pm

Lyssa wrote:
Satyr wrote:
Is your Dharma their humanism?

It isn't the same, and if you had paid attention, you'd have read me pointing out to their obfuscation on this very point between Dharma and Humanism:

Lys wrote:
"Plutonic in-tensity is a rigorous selecting standard that aims to hold max. dharmas IN their max. dharma and not As their max. dharma. Get it?"


...then again, your question mark was really superfluous, an act of reciprocal kindness on your part like you were really asking me,, when in fact, you have already concluded as such.
 

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You sound very close to Fixed.

Sorry, I do not follow your metaphorical poetry.
I can't be bothered by such pretentious crap.
Suns and Saturn and Pluto and my ass mooning you.

Oh, I know what the turd is doing, I just want you to bring it out of him without me standing in your way, dear.
Those "chosen" always use positivity as bait for their egomania.

Lyssa wrote:
The man wants to elude committing to certain answers,, and I can Afford to be patient - if someone wants to misconstrue that as my not wanting to hurt him, my love for him,,,,,,,, pls. dont stop yourself.

Still...how kind you've been with him.
How soft.
A history there.

Lyssa wrote:
Also, don't forget to share with all, how much I want to f--- little Erik, that hot, primordiality of his throbbing cock swinging at me. I'm very easily seduced, as you know me too well. Don't forget to reveal the revelations your paranoia has first imported into me. It...

I was going to keep that a secret, along with the truth about you living in Toronto.
Ha!!

Lyssa wrote:
Don't forget to call me a slut.

Mmmmm, you taste so wonderful dear.
He also smells it.

Lyssa wrote:
No one makes me cum out like you do, after your importation.

Liar.

Lyssa wrote:
You mean exactly like how you would compliment a vampire knowing that is exactly what it wants?

Yes...because you can't fight this dis-ease with honesty, dear.

Lyssa wrote:
You mean I forgot to give you credit for your copyright? Shoot me.

Oh, sweets, you keep on thinking of me as one of those you are used to.
I want no copyright, dear...only you doing as you do, being as you are.

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PostSubject: Re: Fixed and Value Ontology Tue Dec 02, 2014 2:17 pm

Lyssa wrote:
One thing is this. Who on earth can take from me what I do not want to give.
Another is this. What is the worth of having managed to take something from me that I did not want to give.

- x -  

Orgasming right back at them, baby.
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PostSubject: Re: Fixed and Value Ontology Tue Dec 02, 2014 2:43 pm

Is FC the man with blonde hair and red beard?
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PostSubject: Re: Fixed and Value Ontology Tue Dec 02, 2014 2:55 pm

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Lyssa wrote:
One thing is this. Who on earth can take from me what I do not want to give.
Another is this. What is the worth of having managed to take something from me that I did not want to give.

- x -  

Orgasming right back at them, baby.


That's not what I'm talking about; dear.

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PostSubject: Re: Fixed and Value Ontology Tue Dec 02, 2014 2:58 pm

Oh, neither am I. I'm speaking me-ta-pho-ri-cal-ly.
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PostSubject: Re: Fixed and Value Ontology Tue Dec 02, 2014 5:04 pm

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Oh, neither am I. I'm speaking me-ta-pho-ri-cal-ly.

Oh Xanthippe,,, its still not what I mean. Wink

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PostSubject: Re: Fixed and Value Ontology Tue Dec 02, 2014 8:10 pm

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] is having a field-day over at ILP...in the den of the...Moderns.

That's my girl.

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PostSubject: Re: Fixed and Value Ontology Tue Dec 02, 2014 8:35 pm

You ought to give her a cracker Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Fixed and Value Ontology Tue Dec 02, 2014 8:39 pm

No, dear....her reward is elsewhere.
You go off and find the crackers....Polly.

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PostSubject: Re: Fixed and Value Ontology Tue Dec 02, 2014 8:40 pm

No crackers, I'm a carnivore.
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Who will be the first to drink from the mead cup?
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PostSubject: Re: Fixed and Value Ontology Sun Dec 07, 2014 5:29 pm

phoneutria wrote:

Satyr wrote:

Your affection for him is cute.


His for her as well. Adorable. I love to watch.




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Satyr wrote:


phoneutria wrote:
Satyr wrote:

Your affection for him is cute.

His for her as well. Adorable. I love to watch.


It's obvious.
Particularly when she defends his views, trying to associate them with mine to protect my ego, and when he goes to great lengths to seduce her away from the despicable Satyr, who has brainwashed her with his lies.
Although I think he cannot quite figure it out, so he assumes whatever.

It's subtle, but there.


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[01:55:35 03/12/14] phoneutria : I think you are upsetting lyssa with your outburst of emotion, dear
[01:55:56 03/12/14] @ Satyr : really?
[01:58:39 03/12/14] phoneutria : it is most uncalled fore
[01:58:41 03/12/14] phoneutria : for


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You can see how she smoothly adds fuel to the fire first, someone she knows at that point will be ready and all too happy to jump on her bandwagon,,, and then in chat, will also be the one to admonish him as if he's gone out of his way, Correcting him,,, when its she who fanned it in him in the first place...

She can't find self-validation unless she exists as one who Corrects others,,, and she can't Correct someone unless she pushes them off trajectory first... and can then appear as the "sensible one" who advises others of proper measure..

On this basis,, will rest her argument of how, Civilization is great and "there are places where women is superior"  and if men don't recognize and listen to women,,, then everything suffers.

Understand the "stupidity" of her convolution.

She argues for female superiority after "correcting", "cooling down" the provocation and the fire she fans...

And I'm the one who's "easily seducible"?? Maybe news to some, but not so. Not by man or woman.
She may go unnoticed and get to everyone on this forum and elsewhere, but she'll never get to me...   she Knows she can't and that's why tries relentlessly.

Of course, when your own home is in shambles,, you look outward, and "Improving the world" is what you do.
If someone wants to jump on her bandwagon and high-five one another in agreement on my motives and relationships, by all means knock yourselves out,,, I have no time for this level of infantilism.

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PostSubject: Re: Fixed and Value Ontology Sun Dec 07, 2014 6:07 pm

Brazilians and their "novelas"... phoneutria likes to add friction and tries to push things over the edge so things might "go back to normal"( i.e. where things go back to being lukewarm)... She can't handle relationships that are too hot or too cold, where edges become finer at extreme temperatures...So it's all a bit ridiculous that someone like this going to "upset" a much colder relationship... Also, I don't think she believes she was really getting to Satyr but she probably secretly wished she did (i.e. more potential gossip for her to spread if her little timely interjection proves "successful")
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PostSubject: Re: Fixed and Value Ontology Sun Dec 07, 2014 6:36 pm

Is it not entertaining to simply watch her spin her webs?

You have to watch where she posts, on ILP, and what she says.
She's, always, there, hovering, with a string coming from her but, attaching to one or the other fence rung....ready to fall to the ground or scurry up in any which way.

She wants to prove women are smarter by manipulating men...she finds such pleasure every time she thinks she done it.

The "I don't come here for you" is part of her hunger.
Then the "blue collar" comments and the "you are not like Hannibal" chirps.
All to get a response...every response a private victory.

She cares not about philosophy because the only world she cares about is the human one...where she thinks of herself as special.

Recall her first entry....
You cannot ignore me...she said...or something like that.
You can see it when she taunts: "ignore me"
Like a tick who feels powerful when it makes a horse react by whipping its tail.

The home provides few emotional sources for feeding....
She needs to feel the pain in herself, externalized.
She wants to see it express itself before her.

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PostSubject: Re: Fixed and Value Ontology Sun Dec 07, 2014 6:39 pm

Oh please, don't even warrant these puerile comments of mine with an answer. It is just for sport. Carry on as you are Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Fixed and Value Ontology Thu Dec 11, 2014 12:55 pm

Mind it if I show the kids the full exchange?

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[13:55:35 02/12/14] phoneutria : I think you are upsetting lyssa with your outburst of emotion, dear

[13:55:56 02/12/14] @ Satyr : really?

[13:58:39 02/12/14] phoneutria : it is most uncalled fore

[13:58:41 02/12/14] phoneutria : for

[13:59:46 02/12/14] @ Satyr : It's all for your eyes, dear.

[14:03:16 02/12/14] Arditezza : Afternoon.

[14:03:28 02/12/14] phoneutria : a little comedy?

[14:03:47 02/12/14] @ Satyr : Is it funny?

[14:04:10 02/12/14] Arditezza : I am not sure that I find it funny.

[14:04:22 02/12/14] phoneutria : is it funny to you... is the question

[14:04:37 02/12/14] @ Satyr : You tell me

[14:04:57 02/12/14] phoneutria : it's histerical

[14:05:02 02/12/14] phoneutria : Wink

Does it sound like I am trying to correct someone, Lyssa, really? Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Fixed and Value Ontology Thu Dec 11, 2014 1:19 pm

phoneutria wrote:
Mind it if I show the kids the full exchange?

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[13:55:35 02/12/14] phoneutria : I think you are upsetting lyssa with your outburst of emotion, dear

[13:55:56 02/12/14] @ Satyr : really?

[13:58:39 02/12/14] phoneutria : it is most uncalled fore

[13:58:41 02/12/14] phoneutria : for

[13:59:46 02/12/14] @ Satyr : It's all for your eyes, dear.

[14:03:16 02/12/14] Arditezza : Afternoon.

[14:03:28 02/12/14] phoneutria : a little comedy?

[14:03:47 02/12/14] @ Satyr : Is it funny?

[14:04:10 02/12/14] Arditezza : I am not sure that I find it funny.

[14:04:22 02/12/14] phoneutria : is it funny to you... is the question

[14:04:37 02/12/14] @ Satyr : You tell me

[14:04:57 02/12/14] phoneutria : it's histerical

[14:05:02 02/12/14] phoneutria : Wink

Does it sound like I am trying to correct someone, Lyssa, really? Wink

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Oh please, don't even warrant these puerile comments of mine with an answer. It is just for sport. Carry on as you are

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PostSubject: Re: Fixed and Value Ontology Thu Dec 11, 2014 1:22 pm

just poking...

*poke poke*

mmm wounds.
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PostSubject: Re: Fixed and Value Ontology Thu Dec 11, 2014 1:30 pm

Satyr wrote:
Once a male is raped, which would include being mentally fertilized, he wishes to reaffirm his masculinity with gestures of extreme violence towards the weakest of the weak.
It is a compensating gesture, meant to absolve him of his earlier weakness in being so penetrated.

He will return to the scene of his shame, to clean away the evidence....which he searches for with his black-light, amongst the sheets.

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