I propose that we make a collaborative effort to paste logs from the chatbox into this thread. Not for any reason other than to avoid future "he said" "she said" arguments.
Those of you who wish to be secretive with their conversations should take to other tools. All that is open and public and bears no expectation of privacy, should be referable.
[04:11:35 04/04/14] @ Satyr : Scientist = to find order in the chos, in the unknown. To cotnrol, manipualte.
[04:11:38 04/04/14] @ Satyr : Masculine
[04:12:08 04/04/14] @ Satyr : Artist = to give one's self to reality, to give it expression, to bring it to light
[04:12:14 04/04/14] @ Satyr : Feminine
[04:12:39 04/04/14] @ Satyr : Helelnic Psyche = Ridder on a Horse...with a Rope conencting the two into one.
[04:12:51 04/04/14] @ Satyr : Rider = Reason
[04:12:58 04/04/14] @ Satyr : Horse = Passion
[04:13:10 04/04/14] @ Satyr : The Rope = Will
[04:13:54 04/04/14] @ Satyr : The Jewish/Christian Psyche = Horse, on Rider, with the Rope/Whip?
[04:14:54 04/04/14] @ Satyr : The meek...the feminine. Passion dictates what is reasonable....using the will to tether the masculine, the sceientists to the passinos, the feminine, the artist.
[04:15:56 04/04/14] @ Satyr : One does not hate, deny, ignore, forget the feminine...one cotnrols it, ties it, suing his will, to his REASON....He tethers the subjective to the objective
[06:33:11 04/04/14] Mo : I can't seem to see the archives, Satyr.
[06:37:46 04/04/14] Mo : Did you delete them?
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[17:43:20 02/04/14] phoneutria : there's those who clearly have an agenda
[17:43:33 02/04/14] phoneutria : and then there are those who are merely eploring
[17:43:49 02/04/14] phoneutria : because it pleases them to explore
[17:44:28 02/04/14] phoneutria : but do keep something in mind
[17:44:44 02/04/14] phoneutria : those fraudulent sheep, with robotic work that pays well
[17:45:03 02/04/14] phoneutria : built the tools you are using right now to criticise them
[17:45:15 02/04/14] phoneutria : so in order to remain pure
[17:45:32 02/04/14] phoneutria : I would recommend that you disconnect from the internet and throw your computer out
Having opinions opposed to the prevailing Judeo-Christian, secular liberal ethos is an agenda. Those uncritical of it are like children, merely innocent explorers.
The bit about throwing out your computer because you espouse pre-modern values was gold.
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The Luddites were 19th-century English textile artisans who protested against newly developed labour-saving machinery from 1811 to 1817. The stocking frames, spinning frames and power looms introduced during the Industrial Revolution threatened to replace the artisans with less-skilled, low-wage labourers, leaving them without work.
The emphasis is mine.
It costs less to employ dull and unimaginative keyboard monkeys to write programs, the kinds of inferior minds that are relieved when the world is reduced to an easily manageable binary simulacrum, than to give nature its full reign, which is dangerous and threatening.
What I like most is what they did to the 'savage' Luddites:
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The British Army clashed with the Luddites on several occasions. At one time, more British soldiers were fighting the Luddites than were fighting Napoleon on the Iberian Peninsula.[16][e] Three Luddites, led by George Mellor, ambushed and assassinated a mill owner named William Horsfall from Ottiwells Mill at Crosland Moor in Marsden, West Yorkshire. Horsfall had remarked that he would "Ride up to his saddle in Luddite blood." Mellor fired the fatal shot to Horsfall's groin, and all three men were arrested.
The British government sought to suppress the Luddite movement with a mass trial at York in January 1813, following the attack on Cartwrights mill at Rawfolds near Cleckheaton. The government charged over sixty men, including Mellor and his companions, with various crimes in connection with Luddite activities. While some of those charged were actual Luddites, many had no connection to the movement. These trials were not legitimate judicial reckonings of each defendant's guilt, but show trials intended to deter other Luddites from continuing their activities. By meting out harsh consequences, including, in many cases, execution and penal transportation, the trials quickly ended the movement.[17]
Parliament subsequently made "machine breaking" (i.e. industrial sabotage) a capital crime with the Frame Breaking Act[18] and the Malicious Damage Act.[19]
Will you tell me how much you love blacks or the indigenous inhabitants of the Americas my dear, how important their rights and cultures are, whilst you tap away on your keyboard in the dead of night, producing page after page of lifeless, dry script in imitation of the real... because it pays well?
_________________ “During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.” - - George Orwell
The Luddites were 19th-century English textile artisans who protested against newly developed labour-saving machinery from 1811 to 1817. The stocking frames, spinning frames and power looms introduced during the Industrial Revolution threatened to replace the artisans with less-skilled, low-wage labourers, leaving them without work, while creating a new niche for highly-skilled, high-wage machine designers.
Here, I improved your quote.
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Haha, I can't believe I almost replied to your post.
Please go on and continue to criticize the collective technological accomplishments of mankind. On your computer. On the internet. Using electricity. Sipping a cup'o'joe. Wearing warm clothes and sitting on a comfy chair made in China. Do tell us about the dangerous and threatening reality of nature. Go on.
Should I put these in spoilers, so the thread doesn't become huge?
Spoiler:
[06:33:11 04/04/14] Mo : I can't seem to see the archives, Satyr.
[06:37:46 04/04/14] Mo : Did you delete them?
[08:33:57 04/04/14] @ Satyr : Yes...
[08:34:06 04/04/14] @ Satyr : Did you say soemthnig brilliant, again?
[08:34:22 04/04/14] @ Satyr : Soemthnmig you cannto repeat, because it was so brilliantly rare?
[08:34:50 04/04/14] @ Satyr : A sugestion...
[08:35:41 04/04/14] @ Satyr : Next time you say soemthing brilliant, somehting you just cannot do without, somehting you wish to hold onto as a point in time/space which you must recall....write it down or post it on the forum
[08:36:23 04/04/14] @ Satyr : Then, we can all know what you consider brlilliant and a "good ponit" so as to then not run to the "you misrerpesent me" or " I did not mean it like that" or "I did not say that"....jsut because.
[08:36:28 04/04/14] @ Satyr : JUST
[08:36:31 04/04/14] @ Satyr : BECAUSE
[08:49:48 04/04/14] phoneutria : dear
[08:49:50 04/04/14] phoneutria : how do you do
[13:32:58 04/04/14] phoneutria : mo, did you receive an email from me?
[17:28:56 04/04/14] phoneutria : she peels... and peels
[17:29:19 04/04/14] phoneutria : ta dadaa
[17:29:56 04/04/14] phoneutria : when I am alone, I sing
[17:40:54 04/04/14] phoneutria : mustn't compromise the perfectly silky texture of this dish
[19:55:36 04/04/14] Mo : Yes, I'm gonna read it later
[20:04:09 04/04/14] phoneutria : you may like it
[20:04:27 04/04/14] Mo : I look forward to finding out
[20:06:34 04/04/14] Mo : I have a question
[20:06:45 04/04/14] Mo : But, you said you would have to answer it in stupidese...
[20:07:03 04/04/14] Mo : So, I debated pretending like I didn't still need to ask it
[20:07:41 04/04/14] Mo : Wait, I forget what the question is...
[20:08:21 04/04/14] Mo : The seducer seduces because... they want control over someone...
[20:08:26 04/04/14] Mo : but they want control over someone because...
[20:08:41 04/04/14] Mo : because why?
[20:10:50 04/04/14] phoneutria : sorry, I am cooking!
[20:16:54 04/04/14] phoneutria : I am making soup.
[20:18:19 04/04/14] Mo : You eat late eh
[20:19:37 04/04/14] phoneutria : lunch at 2 typically, dinner after 10, bed never before 2 am
[20:24:25 04/04/14] phoneutria : It"s a good question
[20:35:03 04/04/14] phoneutria : Please dont leave
[20:35:15 04/04/14] phoneutria : I have to eat
[20:35:36 04/04/14] phoneutria : I have all night
[21:41:38 04/04/14] phoneutria : hi mo
[21:41:43 04/04/14] Mo : hi
[21:41:52 04/04/14] phoneutria : I keep being pulled away Smile
[21:42:16 04/04/14] phoneutria : I am glad that you are here
[21:42:26 04/04/14] phoneutria : I thought you would be gone by now
[21:42:33 04/04/14] phoneutria : to sleep
[21:43:43 04/04/14] Mo : i'm watching beyond the black rainbow
[21:43:56 04/04/14] phoneutria : ooh!
[21:44:01 04/04/14] phoneutria : creepy friday
[21:44:08 04/04/14] phoneutria : that is a good flick
[21:44:28 04/04/14] Mo : this dude is charming....i mean creepy
[21:48:49 04/04/14] phoneutria : haha
[21:58:37 04/04/14] phoneutria : the question of control is not one I can give an objective answer to
[22:00:07 04/04/14] phoneutria : much of what needs to be said about control and power has been repeated over and over, here and everywhere
[22:04:02 04/04/14] Mo : What do you think Dr. Barry Nyle wants?
[22:04:13 04/04/14] Mo : ...the girl for
[22:06:39 04/04/14] phoneutria : I think that expects her to be a continuation of him
[22:10:00 04/04/14] phoneutria : he is deeply vested in her
[22:11:02 04/04/14] Mo : Maybe he needs her to validate himself
[22:13:00 04/04/14] Mo : That would be to put an aweful lot of control, in the person he was trying to control.
[22:16:11 04/04/14] phoneutria : his end is unclear
[22:16:25 04/04/14] phoneutria : but it seems to be something within him
[22:16:30 04/04/14] phoneutria : it is also in her
[22:16:44 04/04/14] phoneutria : she is his legacy
[22:19:22 04/04/14] phoneutria : but control is like that
[22:19:28 04/04/14] phoneutria : co-dependency
[22:20:50 04/04/14] Mo : Do you think she is dependent on him?
[22:21:02 04/04/14] phoneutria : if he didn't care for her, or for what is within her, or for her potentials, he would not effort to control her
[22:21:11 04/04/14] phoneutria : well you are still watching
[22:21:23 04/04/14] phoneutria : so I don't want to give you spoilers
[22:22:36 04/04/14] Mo : I did not realize that was a wig
[22:26:36 04/04/14] phoneutria : that actor was perfect
[22:26:41 04/04/14] phoneutria : his smirks
[22:26:43 04/04/14] phoneutria : and looks
[22:30:39 04/04/14] phoneutria : do you think that he cares about her?
[22:31:20 04/04/14] phoneutria : if he could take what he wants from her
[22:32:23 04/04/14] Mo : He might care about what he wants. I'm not sure.
[22:34:43 04/04/14] phoneutria : like a lab rat
[22:35:08 04/04/14] phoneutria : at the end of the experiment
[22:35:24 04/04/14] phoneutria : the blood is drawn out, or tissue
[22:35:39 04/04/14] phoneutria : and the rat is "discarded"
[22:36:17 04/04/14] Mo : I don't know.
[22:36:34 04/04/14] Mo : Maybe that's not my fault.
[22:36:41 04/04/14] Mo : If he is not playing with a full deck of cards.
[22:36:45 04/04/14] Mo : If you know what I mean...
[22:37:01 04/04/14] Mo : What do YOU think?
[22:39:44 04/04/14] phoneutria : nobody has a full deck Smile
[22:44:09 04/04/14] Mo : I finished it.
[22:44:43 04/04/14] phoneutria : a strange glick
[22:44:49 04/04/14] phoneutria : flick
[22:45:41 04/04/14] Mo : Do you care about someone if you want to possess their soul, like that?
[22:46:07 04/04/14] phoneutria : yes of course
[22:47:17 04/04/14] Mo : If you possess their soul, and control them, then they are less themselves... because they are controlled by you. So, was it them you cared about? Or yourself?
[22:48:07 04/04/14] phoneutria : ultimately I only care about myself
[22:49:01 04/04/14] Mo : Then you don't care about them.
[22:49:37 04/04/14] Mo : Or, you can assume that he doesn't care about her.
[22:50:06 04/04/14] phoneutria : I spent 3 hours cooking this evening.
[22:50:47 04/04/14] phoneutria : I washed and peeled 2lbs of asparagus, one by one
[22:51:56 04/04/14] phoneutria : I ultimately only care about my palate
[22:52:39 04/04/14] phoneutria : but I was very attentious to my ingredients
[22:52:50 04/04/14] phoneutria : not for them
[22:52:53 04/04/14] Mo : Well, maybe you care about some people enough to cook for them... unless you really like asparagus.
[22:53:02 04/04/14] phoneutria : for what they can provide me
[22:53:21 04/04/14] phoneutria : if they are treated right
[22:54:18 04/04/14] phoneutria : well mo, this is no ordinary soup Smile
[22:54:52 04/04/14] Mo : Do you believe that humans are a pack animal?
[22:54:59 04/04/14] phoneutria : I usually cook I. large batches
[22:55:57 04/04/14] phoneutria : we're.still evolving the pack psyche I believe
[22:56:29 04/04/14] phoneutria : it is inevitable to us to form social stuctures like we do
[22:56:50 04/04/14] phoneutria : our infants are too frail for too long
[22:57:10 04/04/14] phoneutria : our gestations too long and far apart
[22:57:12 04/04/14] Mo : Don't you think the social structures form you, just as much?
[22:57:20 04/04/14] Mo : as you them...
[22:59:20 04/04/14] phoneutria : they play a small role
[23:00:09 04/04/14] phoneutria : relationship within your immediate family is primary
[23:00:30 04/04/14] Mo : When you agree, you agree with them. When you rebel, you rebel from them. What haven't they formed?
[23:00:56 04/04/14] Mo : That question might be a bit nonsensical.
[23:01:15 04/04/14] phoneutria : I understand the questio
[23:01:56 04/04/14] phoneutria : but society is but a.set of rules to which you must conform
[23:02:00 04/04/14] Mo : I'm curious whether you fashioned your identity ex nihilo... and if not, then why you don't value what is responsible for making you, into you.
[23:02:28 04/04/14] phoneutria : you don't conform by nature
[23:04:04 04/04/14] Mo : ...Since you value you.
[23:05:32 04/04/14] phoneutria : I have a limited set of possibilities afforded to me by my genes
[23:06:18 04/04/14] phoneutria : in addition to that I have the influence of my parents during my developmental stage
[23:06:52 04/04/14] phoneutria : while my axions were forming
[23:08:36 04/04/14] phoneutria : and the further on, a cascade of circumstances from social interactions
[23:08:51 04/04/14] Mo : Right. Those people.
[23:11:36 04/04/14] Mo : Do you have kids?
[23:11:48 04/04/14] phoneutria : to say that I fashioned my identity ex nihilo would be false based on the above
[23:12:51 04/04/14] Mo : I'm trying to think of what I want to say...
[23:13:15 04/04/14] phoneutria : but "those people" only play a major role when the role of the parents is diminished
[23:13:27 04/04/14] Mo : Not really.
[23:14:03 04/04/14] Mo : Most people in North America spend more time away from their parents, during the day.
[23:14:08 04/04/14] phoneutria : do elablrate
[23:15:07 04/04/14] Mo : You value yourself, but you would not be who you are without the connections that you have, currently, with other people.
[23:15:18 04/04/14] Mo : ...Bear with me, since I'm trying to sort out what I think)
[23:16:13 04/04/14] phoneutria : you can say that I tend to influence rather than be influenced
[23:16:42 04/04/14] phoneutria : my interactions often result in a flock of followers
[23:17:02 04/04/14] phoneutria : whether I chose that or not
[23:17:44 04/04/14] Mo : Is that an important characteristic about you?
[23:17:49 04/04/14] Mo : I mean, to you?
[23:18:37 04/04/14] phoneutria : it explains a lot about mw
[23:19:31 04/04/14] Mo : What does it explain?
[23:19:32 04/04/14] phoneutria : you are attempting to make me admit that I care about people other than me
[23:19:45 04/04/14] phoneutria : mo Smile
[23:19:45 04/04/14] Mo : No, I'm attempting to get in your head.
[23:21:14 04/04/14] phoneutria : it explains me as a distinctive person
[23:21:26 04/04/14] phoneutria : which I am Wink
[23:21:54 04/04/14] Mo : Surely. But not because people follow you. That's true of most empty celebrities, politicians, speakers, etc.
[23:22:05 04/04/14] phoneutria : what have you got so far?
[23:23:36 04/04/14] Mo : You said before that control was about co-dependency.
[23:24:04 04/04/14] Mo : Are you dependent?
[23:24:44 04/04/14] phoneutria : yes
[23:25:32 04/04/14] Mo : Why do you need others?
[23:26:42 04/04/14] phoneutria : Well I not going to starch my own shirts, am I?
[23:26:50 04/04/14] phoneutria : Wink
[23:26:57 04/04/14] phoneutria : just kidding
[23:27:23 04/04/14] phoneutria : the kind of silly thing I say in the forum sometimes
[23:28:08 04/04/14] phoneutria : I didn't mean to make light of your question.
[23:28:21 04/04/14] phoneutria : Can't help myself Smile
[23:28:30 04/04/14] Mo : I'll rephrase it...
[23:29:21 04/04/14] Mo : To control someone else, is to make them less who they are, (since they are controlled). Which means, the person controlling doesn't value that person as much as he does himself. Right?
[23:29:46 04/04/14] phoneutria : To answer your question would mean to expose one of my weaknesses to you
[23:30:07 04/04/14] Mo : Then you don't have to answer it.
[23:30:13 04/04/14] Mo : But I'll rephrase it anyways.
[23:30:22 04/04/14] phoneutria : go o
[23:30:24 04/04/14] Mo : Why would you want to control something that you don't really care about?
[23:30:55 04/04/14] Mo : You control yourself. Shouldn't that be enough, if you're worth the total amount of your care?
[23:31:00 04/04/14] phoneutria : I would not
[23:31:18 04/04/14] phoneutria : I ultimately only care about myself
[23:31:40 04/04/14] phoneutria : but there is a degree of caring
[23:31:59 04/04/14] phoneutria : into the people I vest my interest in
[23:32:29 04/04/14] phoneutria : for their attributes and their standing
[23:32:46 04/04/14] phoneutria : enable them to provide ME
[23:33:03 04/04/14] phoneutria : with what others cannot
[23:33:41 04/04/14] phoneutria : the others I am satisfied in decapitating
[23:35:03 04/04/14] Mo : I get it. Other people are the means. You are the end.
[23:35:51 04/04/14] phoneutria : without me there is no universe Smile
[23:36:07 04/04/14] Mo : Well, not for you, at least.
[23:36:50 04/04/14] phoneutria : am I egoist? Wink
[23:37:18 04/04/14] Mo : Yes.
[23:37:25 04/04/14] Mo : But unfortunately,
[23:37:47 04/04/14] Mo : it might happen that you realize
[23:38:23 04/04/14] phoneutria : I just did
[23:38:26 04/04/14] Mo : the same reason you think other people aren't ends
[23:39:22 04/04/14] Mo : can't be withheld from yourself
[23:39:38 04/04/14] phoneutria : it's alright mo
[23:39:47 04/04/14] phoneutria : I am a woman Wink
[23:40:19 04/04/14] phoneutria : I was born to be used.
[23:41:42 04/04/14] phoneutria : IO is afraid of spiders
[23:42:07 04/04/14] Impulso Oscuro : No, im afraid of their face.
[23:42:37 04/04/14] Impulso Oscuro : If they had a human head, they would be just dandy to have around.
[23:44:38 04/04/14] Impulso Oscuro : What is your myers briggs?
[23:44:52 04/04/14] Impulso Oscuro : I think from the nature of this forum most here are INTJ
[23:45:37 04/04/14] phoneutria : I am unlike most in this forum, you may notice
[23:45:49 04/04/14] phoneutria : but not to different
[23:45:54 04/04/14] Mo : You think so?
[23:46:33 04/04/14] Impulso Oscuro : Well most here seem to share the masculine attitude towards the world.
[23:46:54 04/04/14] phoneutria : how masculine am I?
[23:47:31 04/04/14] phoneutria : I am INTP
[23:47:32 04/04/14] Impulso Oscuro : If youre here, its likely more than most....women it seems.
[23:47:37 04/04/14] Impulso Oscuro : For you.
[23:47:49 04/04/14] Impulso Oscuro : Most men as well.
[23:49:03 04/04/14] Impulso Oscuro : intP so you like to think outside the box eh?
[23:49:23 04/04/14] phoneutria : only on sunny days Wink
[23:50:30 04/04/14] Mo : phoneutria.. what do you get from people here?
[23:50:44 04/04/14] Impulso Oscuro : I like practicality, although i have accepted that if i want to change the world, i must change myself. Unfortunately many INTJs never realize this.
[23:52:30 04/04/14] phoneutria : I get a lot here
[23:52:36 04/04/14] Impulso Oscuro : Well...perhaps not unfortunate, less competition the better right? But then that would be boring...
[23:52:43 04/04/14] Mo : Like...
[23:52:44 04/04/14] phoneutria : I am pursuing a handful of interests
[23:53:33 04/04/14] phoneutria : I get criterious criticism
[23:53:43 04/04/14] phoneutria : from people who don't know who I am
[23:54:05 04/04/14] phoneutria : I get a play pen for non physical social interactions
[23:54:47 04/04/14] Mo : What do you get from the play pen, I mean?
[23:54:57 04/04/14] Mo : Ah, nevermind..
[23:55:14 04/04/14] phoneutria : mo
[23:55:28 04/04/14] phoneutria : at the risk of compromising my "play pen"
[23:55:47 04/04/14] phoneutria : I am aware of the effect that my physical person has on people
[23:56:20 04/04/14] Impulso Oscuro : Are you a spider Phoneutria?
[23:56:30 04/04/14] phoneutria : and it obfuscates my ability to measure my intelectual skills
[23:56:56 04/04/14] Mo : I can press more, in so far as I'm able to, if you want.
[23:57:12 04/04/14] Mo : Along a different line
[23:57:57 04/04/14] phoneutria : I am like a spider, IO Smile
[23:58:25 04/04/14] phoneutria : not just my intellectual skills, my non physical interpersonal skills
[23:58:39 04/04/14] Impulso Oscuro : If youre worried about that you could always put a bedsheet over your head and poke two eyeholes and...oh wait...
[23:59:58 04/04/14] phoneutria : what I do here can hardly pass for intellectual Smile
[00:00:59 05/04/14] Impulso Oscuro : I feel the same, i am not so much a creator of ideas as i am a chewer.
[00:01:43 05/04/14] phoneutria : Yes mo, I enjoy your dialog greatly.
[00:02:18 05/04/14] phoneutria : and I also picture you as ridiculously handsome
[00:02:34 05/04/14] Mo : You can have a picture, if you want.
[00:02:38 05/04/14] phoneutria : Wink
[00:02:59 05/04/14] Mo : What things are valuable?
[00:03:14 05/04/14] phoneutria : I don't know if I do... I may like the mo in my head better.
[00:04:25 05/04/14] Impulso Oscuro : The Mo in your head is not Mo.
[00:04:38 05/04/14] Mo : What things are valuable?
[00:05:12 05/04/14] phoneutria : things which provide pleasure
[00:05:23 05/04/14] Impulso Oscuro : That which creats and strengthens.
[00:05:24 05/04/14] phoneutria : did you not know I would reply that?
[00:05:45 05/04/14] Mo : Is it the pleasure that's valuable, or the things themselves?
[00:07:13 05/04/14] phoneutria : the things are valuable, for they contain the value
[00:07:36 05/04/14] Mo : Name some of those things... as I asked.
[00:08:03 05/04/14] phoneutria : angora Smile
[00:08:43 05/04/14] Impulso Oscuro : πέος
[00:11:22 05/04/14] Mo : If I were to ask why your pleasure is worth more than another person's... you'd say...
[00:11:29 05/04/14] Mo : because you care about yourself more?
[00:12:00 05/04/14] Mo : And you care about yourself more, because?
[00:12:14 05/04/14] phoneutria : because I can't feel the other person's pleasure
[00:12:30 05/04/14] Mo : You don't have to feel it, to know it's there.
[00:12:42 05/04/14] Mo : You can see it.
[00:12:59 05/04/14] Impulso Oscuro : Hear it.
[00:13:03 05/04/14] Impulso Oscuro : Taste it.
[00:13:12 05/04/14] Impulso Oscuro : Smell...it.
[00:15:12 05/04/14] phoneutria : It does not concern me to know where there is pleasure
[00:15:29 05/04/14] phoneutria : as long as I feel pleasure
[00:16:03 05/04/14] phoneutria : there can be pleasure in seing someone feel pleasure
[00:16:15 05/04/14] phoneutria : but it's not their pleasure I am feeling, it is my own
[00:18:07 05/04/14] Mo : So it's not pleasure that's valuable, it's only the pleasure that you feel.
[00:18:32 05/04/14] Impulso Oscuro : Their pleasure is your pain.
[00:20:21 05/04/14] Mo : Is there a reason why you only care about yourself?
[00:21:40 05/04/14] Impulso Oscuro : I think you already know why Mo.
[00:21:53 05/04/14] phoneutria : I care about other people
[00:21:55 05/04/14] Mo : Go away.
[00:22:01 05/04/14] phoneutria : I've told you before Smile
[00:22:18 05/04/14] phoneutria : do you want me to go away?
[00:22:22 05/04/14] Mo : As a means. Like a tool.
[00:22:27 05/04/14] Impulso Oscuro : That was for me.
[00:22:42 05/04/14] Mo : That was rude of me
[00:22:56 05/04/14] phoneutria : I thought it was funny.
[00:23:18 05/04/14] Mo : To care about what someone can do for you, is not the same as caring about them.
[00:23:47 05/04/14] Mo : Or maybe it is.
[00:23:59 05/04/14] Mo : In any case, I'd rather sleep now.
[00:24:09 05/04/14] phoneutria : it isn't
[00:24:13 05/04/14] phoneutria : mo
[00:24:20 05/04/14] phoneutria : do send me your picture
[00:25:00 05/04/14] phoneutria : why did he tell you to go away?
[00:27:58 05/04/14] Impulso Oscuro : Cockblock?
[00:28:54 05/04/14] phoneutria : haha
[00:29:08 05/04/14] phoneutria : maybe mo wants me all to himself
[00:29:11 05/04/14] Impulso Oscuro : He seems like a cool guy nontheless.
[00:29:31 05/04/14] phoneutria : mo is great
[00:29:42 05/04/14] phoneutria : he is so calm
[00:30:05 05/04/14] Impulso Oscuro : When youre not taking his meat.
[00:30:23 05/04/14] Impulso Oscuro : Like most of us here haha.
[00:32:18 05/04/14] Impulso Oscuro : Yeah i wonder why he uses the "cowboy" picture.
[00:32:44 05/04/14] phoneutria : you can ask him
[00:33:27 05/04/14] Impulso Oscuro : Perhaps he is a pioneer like me like a good Aries.
[00:34:28 05/04/14] phoneutria : are you 23 years old?
[00:34:47 05/04/14] Impulso Oscuro : Yep
[00:35:01 05/04/14] phoneutria : I have a sister of that age
[00:35:34 05/04/14] Impulso Oscuro : Oh really? older than you or younger?
[00:35:50 05/04/14] phoneutria : much younger Smile I am 31
[00:36:49 05/04/14] Impulso Oscuro : Ah, same as mo. You guys were alive for the 80s.
[00:36:50 05/04/14] phoneutria : we were born in different worlds
[00:37:08 05/04/14] phoneutria : 80s were a great time to be a kid
[00:37:42 05/04/14] phoneutria : in Brazil, a terrible time to be an adult
[00:37:44 05/04/14] Impulso Oscuro : Thats what ive heard from some, that the 90s sucked.
[00:37:54 05/04/14] Impulso Oscuro : Ah
[00:38:13 05/04/14] phoneutria : the 90s were basically a hangover Smile
[00:38:25 05/04/14] Impulso Oscuro : The melting pot of Brazil.
[00:39:19 05/04/14] phoneutria : that's right
[00:39:35 05/04/14] Impulso Oscuro : Not from the Favelas i suppose?
[00:40:18 05/04/14] phoneutria : not from the favelas Smile
[00:41:09 05/04/14] Impulso Oscuro : Still living there?
[00:41:11 05/04/14] phoneutria : US or Canada?
[00:41:19 05/04/14] phoneutria : I am in the US.
[00:42:35 05/04/14] Impulso Oscuro : Ah okay, it seems like it was also a terrible time for my father to be an adult in El Salvador which is why he came to the US.
[00:45:57 05/04/14] Impulso Oscuro : So why do you believe your image prevents you from testing your ideas?
[00:46:21 05/04/14] phoneutria : because of this huge scar I have across my face
[00:47:23 05/04/14] phoneutria : I am kidding Smile
[00:47:35 05/04/14] Impulso Oscuro : Razz
[00:47:40 05/04/14] phoneutria : image creates a lot of bias
[00:48:06 05/04/14] Impulso Oscuro : Some of it isnt usually unfounded but yet.
[00:48:09 05/04/14] Impulso Oscuro : yes*
[00:48:43 05/04/14] Impulso Oscuro : Kinda hard to buy a diet pill from a 300 lb fat guy.
[00:49:41 05/04/14] Impulso Oscuro : Is the scar in your heart?
[00:51:16 05/04/14] phoneutria : No, I don't have a scar in my heart
[00:51:25 05/04/14] phoneutria : It's more of a malformity Smile
[00:51:36 05/04/14] Impulso Oscuro : Or between your legs.
[00:51:41 05/04/14] Impulso Oscuro : Hmmmm.
[00:52:55 05/04/14] Impulso Oscuro : You have a 3rd eye.
[00:54:18 05/04/14] phoneutria : my 3rd eye is forever shut
[00:54:30 05/04/14] Impulso Oscuro : A malformity that has helped you develop multiple eyes.
[00:54:41 05/04/14] Impulso Oscuro : Mrs Spider.
[00:55:52 05/04/14] phoneutria : it is said that in order to open the chakra of the forehead
[00:55:54 05/04/14] Impulso Oscuro : But prevents you from putting them to good use often.
[00:56:09 05/04/14] phoneutria : you must give up all your bodily attachements
[00:57:11 05/04/14] phoneutria : gauge it out! Smile
[00:58:30 05/04/14] Impulso Oscuro : And then there will be nothing.
[00:59:39 05/04/14] Impulso Oscuro : It will spill out of its shell to drift off...
[01:01:12 05/04/14] phoneutria : I have 7% of battery left
[01:01:25 05/04/14] Impulso Oscuro : Our bodily attachments are part of us.
[01:01:33 05/04/14] phoneutria : I suppose it's nite nite
[01:01:43 05/04/14] Impulso Oscuro : alright then
[01:02:03 05/04/14] Impulso Oscuro : Good night and dont let the bed bu....oh wait....
[01:02:06 05/04/14] phoneutria : a pleasure to speak with you
[01:02:08 05/04/14] phoneutria : haha
[01:02:10 05/04/14] phoneutria : cute
[01:02:17 05/04/14] phoneutria : goodnight
Recidivist
Gender : Posts : 435 Join date : 2012-04-30 Age : 48 Location : Exile
Haha, I can't believe I almost replied to your post.
Wow, neither can I. What you say on here is so important that you should inform us even when you don't say anything.
But you wanted to because deep down you recognize the confused and contradictory state of your own world view. You desire to be free of it.
Quote :
Please go on and continue to criticize the collective technological accomplishments of mankind. On your computer. On the internet. Using electricity. Sipping a cup'o'joe. Wearing warm clothes and sitting on a comfy chair made in China. Do tell us about the dangerous and threatening reality of nature. Go on.
I remember having the feeling when I was younger that electricity was somehow dirty and polluting, cheap and inferior. Still trying to work out what that means.
But aren't you a typical liberal, forced into defending the very system that you simultaneously criticize for stealing wealth from the poor and oppressing minorities? A system which you will claim discriminates against the powerless? Although I suspect you will now feign aloofness and indifference because you will default to type.
Is bespoke, hand made furniture or a knitted sweater or an oil painting technology? I guess it is if you are an advocate of modernism and a fan of levelling culture to the lowest common denominator. Otherwise you're forced to admit that the objects commonly made prior to industrialization are now the most expensive and qualitatively superior. Industrialization has led to an inferior world, a poor copy of the natural, which even animals find distasteful and turn away from consuming. What does that say about the majority that now revel in a consumer paradise?
Though wearing warm clothes and criticizing modernism does make me a hypocrite. Does that make indigenous opponents of Westernization hypocrites too when they use computers and telephones?
_________________ “During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.” - - George Orwell
Lyssa Har Har Harr
Gender : Posts : 8965 Join date : 2012-03-01 Location : The Cockpit
[13:52:37 02/04/14] Recidivist : I love these fraudulent sheep who do robotic work because it pays well
[13:52:48 02/04/14] Recidivist : And then come on here feigning an interest in higher ideals, promoting humanitarianism and empathy
[13:53:00 02/04/14] Recidivist : who the fuck are they trying to kid?
[13:53:15 02/04/14] Recidivist : Were we ever fooled?
Quote :
[22:14:44 02/04/14] phoneutria : those fraudulent sheep, with robotic work that pays well
[22:15:03 02/04/14] phoneutria : built the tools you are using right now to criticise them
[22:15:15 02/04/14] phoneutria : so in order to remain pure
[22:15:32 02/04/14] phoneutria : I would recommend that you disconnect from the internet and throw your computer out
[22:15:39 02/04/14] phoneutria : and get thee to a library
Our Precious thinks the few are dependent on the many for their knowledge that build computers and robotics that aid the few. What our Precious doesn't realize is what she assumes as her superiority is her own mental-psycho-spiritual dwarfing. She thinks she designs and formats the coding lang. that shapes technology, but its technological thinking that has already dwarfed her, strait-jacketed her into thinking a certain way. She is enslaved to thinking technically. Technology continues to dictate the grammar of her thoughts while she continues to believe the masters are dependent on the many and she is the one who is free and spontaneous and "light"...
Satyr called them......
"Idiot Savants."
Quote :
"Idiot Savants.
A byproduct of increasing specialization. An individual becomes an "expert" in one field, knowing all there is to know about it (a collector of information he accepts from the "appropriate" sources and regurgitates as a matter of fact); his entire life is taken over, with brief breaks to replenish his energies and to recreate, with keeping up to date with the information he requires to maintain his expert status.
As a consequence his performances in all other areas and his knowledge of any other field of knowledge, suffer. He may even become socially inept having not cultivated the social aspects of his behavior. Common terms for such types are: nerd, geek, dweeb etc.
He increasingly becomes dependent upon other experts in other fields, in this way also reinforcing his own status as a specialist they too depend upon. This increasing interdependence results in the opposite of freedom and uniqueness. His inadequacies in all areas except the area of his expertise makes him more dependent on imitating and simply accepting popular trends or fashions coming from other "specialists" in the fields of behavior or sexualtiy or comedy or charm. The source leads to a uniformity because it is itself trained by an institution wanting to produce a particular mindset and to reinforce the value of a particular behavior and a particular way of thinking. The institution, after all, wishes to preserve its own relevance and so it both promotes an attitude which does so and it also glorifies those who adhere to its principles.
In the sexual game this type becomes antipathetic to the opposite sex. it lacks the charm and knowhow, the contact with its own essence as male or female to be attractive...yet its social success makes resources accessible to him. What he or she lacks in charm and sexual energy he makes up with social status. His special skills and techniques make him valuable to the other experts who need him to take care of the aspects of social living they cannot dedicate but little time to, thusly freeing their own time to dedicate to their own specialty.
This codependency is defended vehemently, as the years pass by and more investments in time and resources have been made and more dependencies have been nurtured. The individual becomes conservative to preserve this inter-relationship making himself viable within it.
As a side-effect these individuals become less and less able to perceive any grand picture or to challenge the status quo. Their entire intellectual capacity is taken over with the finer details of their craft, submerging themselves in the particular, loosing view of the universal."
Hedonism and need for it can be seen as a necessary complementary to the mental retardation that occurs in this specialization, that drives one to immediate gratifications and low attention spans, etc. , and in the case of the more above-average intelligent male/female,,, as a recuperative drive to keep him/herself fluid *because s/he intuits the psycho-somatic rigidity that is a product of being technopolized.
Why is our Precious a Hedonist? Its her way of admitting that she knows she's being technopolized even as she continues to speak of being free and spontaneous and enjoying aesthetic pleasures for its own sake...
Didn't Trivers say, self-deception is part of survival-sanity?
Free and spontaneous is a life-or-death myth one needs to hold onto at every cost.
Her Hedonism has nothing to do with this underlying battle, this underlying suffering... *chuckles*
[13:52:37 02/04/14] Recidivist : I love these fraudulent sheep who do robotic work because it pays well
[13:52:48 02/04/14] Recidivist : And then come on here feigning an interest in higher ideals, promoting humanitarianism and empathy
[13:53:00 02/04/14] Recidivist : who the fuck are they trying to kid?
[13:53:15 02/04/14] Recidivist : Were we ever fooled?
Quote :
[22:14:44 02/04/14] phoneutria : those fraudulent sheep, with robotic work that pays well
[22:15:03 02/04/14] phoneutria : built the tools you are using right now to criticise them
[22:15:15 02/04/14] phoneutria : so in order to remain pure
[22:15:32 02/04/14] phoneutria : I would recommend that you disconnect from the internet and throw your computer out
[22:15:39 02/04/14] phoneutria : and get thee to a library
Our Precious thinks the few are dependent on the many for their knowledge that build computers and robotics that aid the few. What our Precious doesn't realize is what she assumes as her superiority is her own mental-psycho-spiritual dwarfing. She thinks she designs and formats the coding lang. that shapes technology, but its technological thinking that has already dwarfed her, strait-jacketed her into thinking a certain way. She is enslaved to thinking technically. Technology continues to dictate the grammar of her thoughts while she continues to believe the masters are dependent on the many and she is the one who is free and spontaneous and "light"...
Satyr called them......
"Idiot Savants."
Quote :
"Idiot Savants.
A byproduct of increasing specialization. An individual becomes an "expert" in one field, knowing all there is to know about it (a collector of information he accepts from the "appropriate" sources and regurgitates as a matter of fact); his entire life is taken over, with brief breaks to replenish his energies and to recreate, with keeping up to date with the information he requires to maintain his expert status.
As a consequence his performances in all other areas and his knowledge of any other field of knowledge, suffer. He may even become socially inept having not cultivated the social aspects of his behavior. Common terms for such types are: nerd, geek, dweeb etc.
He increasingly becomes dependent upon other experts in other fields, in this way also reinforcing his own status as a specialist they too depend upon. This increasing interdependence results in the opposite of freedom and uniqueness. His inadequacies in all areas except the area of his expertise makes him more dependent on imitating and simply accepting popular trends or fashions coming from other "specialists" in the fields of behavior or sexualtiy or comedy or charm. The source leads to a uniformity because it is itself trained by an institution wanting to produce a particular mindset and to reinforce the value of a particular behavior and a particular way of thinking. The institution, after all, wishes to preserve its own relevance and so it both promotes an attitude which does so and it also glorifies those who adhere to its principles.
In the sexual game this type becomes antipathetic to the opposite sex. it lacks the charm and knowhow, the contact with its own essence as male or female to be attractive...yet its social success makes resources accessible to him. What he or she lacks in charm and sexual energy he makes up with social status. His special skills and techniques make him valuable to the other experts who need him to take care of the aspects of social living they cannot dedicate but little time to, thusly freeing their own time to dedicate to their own specialty.
This codependency is defended vehemently, as the years pass by and more investments in time and resources have been made and more dependencies have been nurtured. The individual becomes conservative to preserve this inter-relationship making himself viable within it.
As a side-effect these individuals become less and less able to perceive any grand picture or to challenge the status quo. Their entire intellectual capacity is taken over with the finer details of their craft, submerging themselves in the particular, loosing view of the universal."
Hedonism and need for it can be seen as a necessary complementary to the mental retardation that occurs in this specialization, that drives one to immediate gratifications and low attention spans, etc. , and in the case of the more above-average intelligent male/female,,, as a recuperative drive to keep him/herself fluid *because s/he intuits the psycho-somatic rigidity that is a product of being technopolized.
Why is our Precious a Hedonist? Its her way of admitting that she knows she's being technopolized even as she continues to speak of being free and spontaneous and enjoying aesthetic pleasures for its own sake...
Didn't Trivers say, self-deception is part of survival-sanity?
Free and spontaneous is a life-or-death myth one needs to hold onto at every cost.
Her Hedonism has nothing to do with this underlying battle, this underlying suffering... *chuckles*
Darling, do you feel as though you know enough about me to make such assumptions?
Why are you so eager to put me down?
I am not here to threaten you. Please stop pissing around me. It is so unbecoming of someone who is supposed to be a strong and unusual female.
It is almost as though you are asking me to wipe the floor with you. It's making me uncomfortable.
Such promise. Satyr spoke highly of you. I am so let down.
Haha, I can't believe I almost replied to your post.
Wow, neither can I. What you say on here is so important that you should inform us even when you don't say anything.
But you wanted to because deep down you recognize the confused and contradictory state of your own world view. You desire to be free of it.
Quote :
Please go on and continue to criticize the collective technological accomplishments of mankind. On your computer. On the internet. Using electricity. Sipping a cup'o'joe. Wearing warm clothes and sitting on a comfy chair made in China. Do tell us about the dangerous and threatening reality of nature. Go on.
I remember having the feeling when I was younger that electricity was somehow dirty and polluting, cheap and inferior. Still trying to work out what that means.
But aren't you a typical liberal, forced into defending the very system that you simultaneously criticize for stealing wealth from the poor and oppressing minorities? A system which you will claim discriminates against the powerless? Although I suspect you will now feign aloofness and indifference because you will default to type.
Is bespoke, hand made furniture or a knitted sweater or an oil painting technology? I guess it is if you are an advocate of modernism and a fan of levelling culture to the lowest common denominator. Otherwise you're forced to admit that the objects commonly made prior to industrialization are now the most expensive and qualitatively superior. Industrialization has led to an inferior world, a poor copy of the natural, which even animals find distasteful and turn away from consuming. What does that say about the majority that now revel in a consumer paradise?
Though wearing warm clothes and criticizing modernism does make me a hypocrite. Does that make indigenous opponents of Westernization hypocrites too when they use computers and telephones?
oh, forgot to reply to you. I am long going to allow myself to be dragged into this foolish discussion again. Once is enough. Enjoy your cave.
The Luddites were 19th-century English textile artisans who protested against newly developed labour-saving machinery from 1811 to 1817. The stocking frames, spinning frames and power looms introduced during the Industrial Revolution threatened to replace the artisans with less-skilled, low-wage labourers, leaving them without work, while creating a new niche for highly-skilled, high-wage machine designers.
Here, I improved your quote.
If you really would like to spend time with the kinds of people who design faster Machines, this may seem like some kind of imporovement. More than, say, retaining artisans, that is. Move that forward a couple hundred years and you have the kind of men, mostly men, that is, who can't wait to be uploaded, who are out there right now improving corn genes so that more insecticides and herbicides can be sprayed on the vegetable Machines they have created, who are Writing apps that help you unneed human Contact or a large Visual field with depth perception or a Life and who read 4 books during their entire undergraduate career. They are good at the, yes, human trait of scoffing. Otherwise they dislike emotions and the disorder of women, Children, Forests, Life, but they'll tighten all that up in time. Once you cram these things into binary they are less distressing.
The Luddites were 19th-century English textile artisans who protested against newly developed labour-saving machinery from 1811 to 1817. The stocking frames, spinning frames and power looms introduced during the Industrial Revolution threatened to replace the artisans with less-skilled, low-wage labourers, leaving them without work, while creating a new niche for highly-skilled, high-wage machine designers.
Here, I improved your quote.
If you really would like to spend time with the kinds of people who design faster Machines, this may seem like some kind of imporovement. More than, say, retaining artisans, that is. Move that forward a couple hundred years and you have the kind of men, mostly men, that is, who can't wait to be uploaded, who are out there right now improving corn genes so that more insecticides and herbicides can be sprayed on the vegetable Machines they have created, who are Writing apps that help you unneed human Contact or a large Visual field with depth perception or a Life and who read 4 books during their entire undergraduate career. They are good at the, yes, human trait of scoffing. Otherwise they dislike emotions and the disorder of women, Children, Forests, Life, but they'll tighten all that up in time. Once you cram these things into binary they are less distressing.
The researcher is thrilled with understanding the mechanisms of nature. To understand what makes a thing be, and how to manipulate it to make it be more. A researcher unburies knowledge that is powerful. All that is powerful has a potential to create both good, and bad. It is not knowledge itself is that is dangerous. It is how it is applied.
reasonvemotion
Gender : Posts : 681 Join date : 2013-01-09 Location : The Female Spirit
Though wearing warm clothes and criticizing modernism does make me a hypocrite.
Yes.
Your argument is strong until that statement in your post.
Recidivist wrote:
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Does that make indigenous opponents of Westernization hypocrites too when they use computers and telephones?
Nearly everyone owns some form of technology whether it is a mobile phone, iPod, television, laptop or desktop computer and it is evident in today's kindergartens, where some children are being educated through iPads. Can you deny that one of the greatest influences that technology has, other than for entertainment purposes, is the learning factor it possesses? We benefit from this, as millions of people benefitted from the Industrial Revolution. You speak of wearing warm clothes, but until the 19th century mass production, there were only a few in society that could afford goods and these were the people in the upper class. Mass production decreased the prices for consumables and most could then afford the goods. For the first time for millions of people, goods, services and facilities were now available to all. Compare this to the times Dickens wrote about.
Broadly speaking it may be said, that the claim to be Modern always imples not only a departure from the past, but a sense of historical crisis. You cannot stop change. The cottage industry could not have survived in a world of billions of people, if that was what you were proposing.
reasonvemotion
Gender : Posts : 681 Join date : 2013-01-09 Location : The Female Spirit
Nearly everyone owns some form of technology whether it is a mobile phone, iPod, television, laptop or desktop computer and it is evident in today's kindergartens, where some children are being educated through iPads. Can you deny that one of the greatest influences that technology has, other than for entertainment purposes, is the learning factor it possesses? We benefit from this, as millions of people benefitted from the Industrial Revolution. You speak of wearing warm clothes, but until the 19th century mass production, there were only a few in society that could afford goods and these were the people in the upper class. Mass production decreased the prices for consumables and most could then afford the goods. For the first time for millions of people, goods, services and facilities were now available to all. Compare this to the times Dickens wrote about.
Are you making an argument for gratitude then? How "lucky" and "fortunate" we are now?
_________________ And here we always meet, at the station of our heart / Looking at each other as if we were in a dream /Seeing for the first time different eyes so supreme / That bright flames burst into vision, keeping us apart.
Lyssa Har Har Harr
Gender : Posts : 8965 Join date : 2012-03-01 Location : The Cockpit
[13:52:37 02/04/14] Recidivist : I love these fraudulent sheep who do robotic work because it pays well
[13:52:48 02/04/14] Recidivist : And then come on here feigning an interest in higher ideals, promoting humanitarianism and empathy
[13:53:00 02/04/14] Recidivist : who the fuck are they trying to kid?
[13:53:15 02/04/14] Recidivist : Were we ever fooled?
Quote :
[22:14:44 02/04/14] phoneutria : those fraudulent sheep, with robotic work that pays well
[22:15:03 02/04/14] phoneutria : built the tools you are using right now to criticise them
[22:15:15 02/04/14] phoneutria : so in order to remain pure
[22:15:32 02/04/14] phoneutria : I would recommend that you disconnect from the internet and throw your computer out
[22:15:39 02/04/14] phoneutria : and get thee to a library
Our Precious thinks the few are dependent on the many for their knowledge that build computers and robotics that aid the few. What our Precious doesn't realize is what she assumes as her superiority is her own mental-psycho-spiritual dwarfing. She thinks she designs and formats the coding lang. that shapes technology, but its technological thinking that has already dwarfed her, strait-jacketed her into thinking a certain way. She is enslaved to thinking technically. Technology continues to dictate the grammar of her thoughts while she continues to believe the masters are dependent on the many and she is the one who is free and spontaneous and "light"...
Satyr called them......
"Idiot Savants."
Quote :
"Idiot Savants.
A byproduct of increasing specialization. An individual becomes an "expert" in one field, knowing all there is to know about it (a collector of information he accepts from the "appropriate" sources and regurgitates as a matter of fact); his entire life is taken over, with brief breaks to replenish his energies and to recreate, with keeping up to date with the information he requires to maintain his expert status.
As a consequence his performances in all other areas and his knowledge of any other field of knowledge, suffer. He may even become socially inept having not cultivated the social aspects of his behavior. Common terms for such types are: nerd, geek, dweeb etc.
He increasingly becomes dependent upon other experts in other fields, in this way also reinforcing his own status as a specialist they too depend upon. This increasing interdependence results in the opposite of freedom and uniqueness. His inadequacies in all areas except the area of his expertise makes him more dependent on imitating and simply accepting popular trends or fashions coming from other "specialists" in the fields of behavior or sexualtiy or comedy or charm. The source leads to a uniformity because it is itself trained by an institution wanting to produce a particular mindset and to reinforce the value of a particular behavior and a particular way of thinking. The institution, after all, wishes to preserve its own relevance and so it both promotes an attitude which does so and it also glorifies those who adhere to its principles.
In the sexual game this type becomes antipathetic to the opposite sex. it lacks the charm and knowhow, the contact with its own essence as male or female to be attractive...yet its social success makes resources accessible to him. What he or she lacks in charm and sexual energy he makes up with social status. His special skills and techniques make him valuable to the other experts who need him to take care of the aspects of social living they cannot dedicate but little time to, thusly freeing their own time to dedicate to their own specialty.
This codependency is defended vehemently, as the years pass by and more investments in time and resources have been made and more dependencies have been nurtured. The individual becomes conservative to preserve this inter-relationship making himself viable within it.
As a side-effect these individuals become less and less able to perceive any grand picture or to challenge the status quo. Their entire intellectual capacity is taken over with the finer details of their craft, submerging themselves in the particular, loosing view of the universal."
Hedonism and need for it can be seen as a necessary complementary to the mental retardation that occurs in this specialization, that drives one to immediate gratifications and low attention spans, etc. , and in the case of the more above-average intelligent male/female,,, as a recuperative drive to keep him/herself fluid *because s/he intuits the psycho-somatic rigidity that is a product of being technopolized.
Why is our Precious a Hedonist? Its her way of admitting that she knows she's being technopolized even as she continues to speak of being free and spontaneous and enjoying aesthetic pleasures for its own sake...
Didn't Trivers say, self-deception is part of survival-sanity?
Free and spontaneous is a life-or-death myth one needs to hold onto at every cost.
Her Hedonism has nothing to do with this underlying battle, this underlying suffering... *chuckles*
Darling, do you feel as though you know enough about me to make such assumptions?
Precious, do I need to get acquainted with every bug to make a general statement about vermin?
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Why are you so eager to put me down?
Why is a bug so vain to take an intellectual remark and everything so personally?
You are only metaphor for a study. Did you mistake me for a human.
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I am not here to threaten you.
Whatever tickles your vanity...
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Please stop pissing around me.
Corripe cervisiam I almost feel bad I make you so emotional... try not to let me reduce you to tears like I did the last one,,, the eagle does not catch flies, dear... Don't take me to your heart, dear...
I have nothing against you personally, my precious; its the hypocrisy, the soft violence you spin as satire, dear...
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It is so unbecoming of someone who is supposed to be a strong and unusual female.
Through the thorns to the stars, no? Has it ever been any different?
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It is almost as though you are asking me to wipe the floor with you. It's making me uncomfortable.
Precious, how you confess your self-ressentiment... isn't that what bugs do? Wipe the floor and clean it... Do you hate yourself Precious? Is it too hair-raising being in your own skin?
Can food save you? Can attention? Round the clock coding? Beer? F---ing around?...
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Such promise. Satyr spoke highly of you.
Music soothes a savage beast, what soothes a bug?
A curiosity. Does raising the end steak, I mean stake, raise the thrill for a hedonist, or does it kill it?
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I am so let down.
Can I uplift you with my hope and sundry vertical tensions?
Might I place my confidence in you to turn this place around into a garden of delight for us? Might thou show us what it is to have a good life? A place of love and laughter shall this forum be... a precious' place...
Precious, do I need to get acquainted with every bug to make a general statement about vermin?
Not at all. The thing about general statements, though, they're lazy and ineffective. But suit yourself. I want to see how low you can get.
Lower please... lower.
Lazy and ineffecive Lyssa wrote:
Why is a bug so vain to take an intellectual remark and everything so personally?
Hmm let's see:
Mroww Fss! wrote:
Our Precious thinks the few are dependent on the many for their knowledge that build computers and robotics that aid the few. What our Precious doesn't realize is what she assumes as her superiority is her own mental-psycho-spiritual dwarfing. She thinks she designs and formats the coding lang. that shapes technology, but its technological thinking that has already dwarfed her, strait-jacketed her into thinking a certain way. She is enslaved to thinking technically. Technology continues to dictate the grammar of her thoughts while she continues to believe the masters are dependent on the many and she is the one who is free and spontaneous and "light"...
How many references to me was that... 12? There's more in the second part, too. Ah, that's not about me. Had me fooled.
I think I may to use you as a metaphor for lazy and ineffective. Nothing personal.
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I almost feel bad I make you so emotional... try not to let me reduce you to tears like I did the last one,,, the eagle does not catch flies, dear... Don't take me to your heart, dear...
I do challenge you to try and get more out of me than a cringe. Do pardon me if I ignore. When the eagle is hard at work for her next lemming, I am sound asleep, recovering from last night's excesses. I do feel bad for the eagle, trying so hard. My food comes to me.
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I have nothing against you personally, my precious; its the *stuff I have against you personally*, dear...
Had me fooled again! Damn you...
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Precious, how you confess your self-ressentiment... isn't that what bugs do? Wipe the floor and clean it...
I keep my lair impecably clean. First I place my foot firmly on my victim's neck, and then I give the floor a thorough wiping, using their bodies to sop up the puddle of their own piss that they left on my floor.
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Do you hate yourself Precious? Is it too hair-raising being in your own skin?
Can food save you? Can attention? Round the clock coding? Beer? F---ing around?...
Who is asking for salvation? What a captive, guilty, suffering mindset.
prr zzz wrote:
Music soothes a savage beast, what soothes a bug?
A curiosity. Does raising the end steak, I mean stake, raise the thrill for a hedonist, or does it kill it?
Raises, of course. In your case, it is just the small potatoes making the steak look bigger.
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Might I place my confidence in you to turn this place around into a garden of delight for us? Might thou show us what it is to have a good life? A place of love and laughter shall this forum be... a precious' place...
Sorry dear, you could not make me care.
For the record, every single assumption in your post is false. Find yourself a better study
Ta ta
Recidivist
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oh, forgot to reply to you. I am long going to allow myself to be dragged into this foolish discussion again. Once is enough. Enjoy your cave.
*Flips hair and walks off*
But don't trouble yourself. You are far more superior than the rest of us on here. We know you come here like an innocent child - because it pleases you to explore - to laugh and cavort amongst the adults, respond with pithy one liners, even though you are a grown, thirty something woman. How pathetic is that?
Why do you expect us to take responsibility for what you cannot?
I've always found the programmers I've met to be dull, unimaginative people, lacking empathy and bordering on altistic in social situations. The kinds of minds good at dry, tedious work, but with zero understanding of what makes humans tick.
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The researcher is thrilled with understanding the mechanisms of nature.
What 'mechanisms'? Does nature have mechanisms? We create theoretical models that are adopted if they reflect nature and dropped when they don't. But that's all they are... tiny little reflections... of a vast and more powerful reality. No mechanisms.
Russell Means wrote:
This is what has come to be termed “efficiency” in the European mind. Whatever is mechanical is perfect; whatever seems to work at the moment – that is, proves the mechanical model to be the right one – is considered correct, even when it is clearly untrue. This is why “truth” changes so fast in the European mind; the answers which result from such a process are only stopgaps, only temporary, and must be continuously discarded in favor of new stopgaps which support the mechanical models and keep them (the models) alive.
Being is a spiritual proposition. Gaining is a material act. Traditionally, American Indians have always attempted to be the best people they could. Part of that spiritual process was and is to give away wealth, to discard wealth in order not to gain. Material gain is an indicator of false status among traditional people, while it is “proof that the system works” to Europeans. Clearly, there are two completely opposing views at issue here, and Marxism is very far over to the other side from the American Indian view.
You find comfort in coding because it provides a framework for a secure environment where everything is (re)programmable, whereas reality does not. You cannot control nature - especially humans - but by reducing it to an abstraction - just like they've done with DNA - you can create a safe little world for yourself, insulated from an indifferent universe.
Russell Means wrote:
Descartes did the same thing with culture. John Locke did it with politics, and Adam Smith did it with economics. Each one of these “thinkers” took a piece of the spirituality of human existence and converted it into a code, an abstraction. They picked up where Christianity ended: they “secularized” Christian religion, as the “scholars” like to say – and in doing so they made Europe more able and ready to act as an expansionist culture. Each of these intellectual revolutions served to abstract the European mentality even further, to remove the wonderful complexity and spirituality from the universe and replace it with a logical sequence: one, two, three. Answer!.
phoneutria wrote:
To understand what makes a thing be, and how to manipulate it to make it be more.
To manipulate it so as to control it and make it less threatening or to use it as a weapon against others. Make it more though? More than what? Itself? Doesn't make much sense eh?
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A researcher unburies knowledge that is powerful.
Unburies? What does that even mean?
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All that is powerful has a potential to create both good, and bad.
Good and bad? What mindless cliches you indulge in.
reasonvsemotion wrote:
Nearly everyone owns some form of technology whether it is a mobile phone, iPod, television, laptop or desktop computer and it is evident in today's kindergartens, where some children are being educated through iPads. Can you deny that one of the greatest influences that technology has, other than for entertainment purposes, is the learning factor it possesses? We benefit from this, as millions of people benefitted from the Industrial Revolution. You speak of wearing warm clothes, but until the 19th century mass production, there were only a few in society that could afford goods and these were the people in the upper class. Mass production decreased the prices for consumables and most could then afford the goods. For the first time for millions of people, goods, services and facilities were now available to all. Compare this to the times Dickens wrote about.
Broadly speaking it may be said, that the claim to be Modern always imples not only a departure from the past, but a sense of historical crisis. You cannot stop change. The cottage industry could not have survived in a world of billions of people, if that was what you were proposing.
A banal celebration of mass consumerism.
It is true that the majority are only alive to provide labor and hungry mouths to the system, no different to millions of animals reared in intensive farms. And like those animals, regardless of what they think, or even their individuals qualities, their lives are determined before they are even born.
Your response demonstrates how wedded you are to that system, how afraid you are of leaving it. Perhaps because you are so banal and ordinary that your life inside it is more comfortable than if it was torn down, and you were forced to confront your own mediocrity.
Please remind of us of why you are here.
_________________ “During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.” - - George Orwell
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The thing about general statements, though, they're lazy and ineffective.
Like how the category "human" conveniently exists and yet "race" is too generalized a construct, no? How Precious. How Philosophically Deatched.
Classic vermin repetitions...
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uwot wrote: You are the fool who believes they can categorize entire races and not bother discriminating between individuals.
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Satyr wrote:
I know...like science categorizes entire species or entire cultures or entire population groups. Simply evil.
I suggest you teach scientists that they must deal with each individual bear or wolf or sheep before they dare come up with general behavioral and physical attributes.
A category, simpleton, indicates potential. Genes establish it within parameters. Individuals and their nurturing are placed within these parameters, and the exceptions to the rule supports the rule and requires explanation. You want to be comforted. You are not interested in seeing the world as it is. So, instead of accepting categories you prefer to focus on the exceptions because this gives you hope that all categories are false and freedom reigns and the past has no determining effects on the present or the future.
See... how objective I am and what an honest study I make of you... specimen...
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But suit yourself. I want to see how low you can get.
Lower please... lower.
Honey, I try but ts tough to beat your IQ, its waayyyyyy down there.
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Why is a bug so vain to take an intellectual remark and everything so personally?
Hmm let's see:
How many references to me was that... 12?
Thanks for never letting me down. Concluding, assessing,... using quantitative statistics "12".... You perfectly demonstrate my point; how thoroughly technopolized you are.
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There's more in the second part, too. Ah, that's not about me. Had me fooled.
Let me help the Thickness...
Metaphor. noun 1. a figure of speech in which a term or phrase is applied to something to which it is not literally applicable in order to suggest a resemblance, as in “A mighty fortress is our God.” 2. something used, or regarded as being used, to represent something else; emblem; symbol. Origin: 1525–35; < Latin metaphora < Greek metaphorá a transfer, akin to metaphérein to transfer.
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I think I may to use you as a metaphor for lazy and ineffective. Nothing personal.
Its all the better when it comes from the mouth of an Idiot Savant... the word "ineffective" takes a new colour, lol
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I do challenge you to try and get more out of me than a cringe.
I do challenge you to try and get me to get personal about you; bugs are invisible and just useful study material.
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Do pardon me if I ignore. When the eagle is hard at work for her next lemming, I am sound asleep, recovering from last night's excesses. I do feel bad for the eagle, trying so hard. My food comes to me.
So says the one that cannot fly; The one that doesn't have claws will glorify the way of herd, making a virtue out of clawlessness, sleeping away and cud-chewing away life like cattle,,, while eagles soar, suffer and know a grander life and cattles are left dreaming of take-off fantasies making them hungrier and hungrier they call as their pleasure and satiation...
The weak have No choice but to be hedonists out of compulsion, and stuff their mouths Because they can't stuff their hearts, their claws, their eyes... tut tut
But cruel me,, why would I take away the crutch of these convenient myths cripples need to lean on..? I wouldn't. They are the "free, the spontaneous, the light ones" living the life of ease and pleasure...
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Had me fooled again! Damn you...
You are So Caring,,, again try not to let me make you so emotional.
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I keep my lair impecably clean. First I place my foot firmly on my victim's neck, and then I give the floor a thorough wiping, using their bodies to sop up the puddle of their own piss that they left on my floor.
Cool. I like it when bugs squash their victims and lick the dirt and germs off my floor and keep my house clean. How coy. And there you almost denied doing hard labour. You don't give yourself enough credit dear... Here, I give you a star...
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Who is asking for salvation?
What a captive, guilty, suffering mindset.
Hedonism, to escape from the reality of suffering, is wanting to escape from life itself.
Its wanting to bury yourself from everything that pains, its screaming for salvation.
Don't feel embarassed about it dear... don't feel guilty about lying to yourself...
I almost want to get personal when I see a bug suffering like that...
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Raises, of course.
Interesting.
"A Zombie is all about hunger, hedonism, feeding, corporeal compensation for a decaying body, and a rotten brain. It has no historical background, no past. It is all about the immediate, the gratifying, and the shallow. It can only stumble towards some future; it drags itself towards any sound, any movement, promising action, a source of material fulfillment. It congregates on mass, and feeds.
Zombies are individualistic, in that they follow their own need/hunger, towards the intended source of satiation, but their behavior is uniform, in that it is predictable and shared." [Satyr]
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In your case, it is just the small potatoes making the steak look bigger.
Funny, I was thinking the same about your brain.... how the mundane and cud-chewing makes life look bigger, grander... lol
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Sorry dear, you could not make me care.
yes, I didn't think so dear. What would a suffering creature know about turning a place into a garden of love and laughter... I forgive you.
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For the record, every single assumption in your post is false. Find yourself a better study
Did I touch a nerve? Oh my, how threatened you feel to correct the record. I am not here to squash you that soon, dear... there's still lots of study time Precious...
It is true that the majority are only alive to provide labor and hungry mouths to the system, no different to millions of animals reared in intensive farms. And like those animals, regardless of what they think, or even their individuals qualities, their lives are determined before they are even born.
Your response demonstrates how wedded you are to that system, how afraid you are of leaving it. Perhaps because you are so banal and ordinary that your life inside it is more comfortable than if it was torn down, and you were forced to confront your own mediocrity.
Please remind of us of why you are here.
People like you make me sick. Pontificating about the past, ignoring the fact that human nature never changes, man then is man now.
Do you really think that you are isolated in your attitude regarding the treatment of animals. Is this another issue you sit in the dark about, or do you protest to your government, eat free range eggs, refuse meat, take the unwanted "pets" and give them a home. Do you knit your own jumpers, make your own soap, have nothing plastic in your home, never have processed food, use nothing mechanical, build your own log cabin or hand made brick house and breath pure fresh air, because you refuse to live in an urban environment, or maybe you never leave the house.
Sure I am banal, I am realistic and practical regarding this, I gave an explanation as to how and why this came about, but you have not given me an explanation as to how you envisage changing it. Of course, I forgot, you say one thing and covertly do the other. Flying your flag, while sitting at your computer, glowing in the modern darkness of your modern apartment, objecting to what none of us can change, not unless you are Bill Gates with his billions or maybe you are and can change all this. Do tell.
I am wedded and afraid to leave the system?
I dont live in the city, I live in a rural environment, in a timber house, with stone floors and an open fire place. I chop wood, I dig the land and I have contact with the human race as little as possible. Dont flatter yourself, your heart is not the only heart that bleeds.
Perhaps I am being too hasty, ....... you live in a cave with a couple of hundred free range chickens.
This gave me a belly laugh.....
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I've always found the programmers I've met to be dull, unimaginative people, lacking empathy and bordering on altistic in social situations. The kinds of minds good at dry, tedious work, but with zero understanding of what makes humans tick.
coming from someone who grabs every opportunity to call a man a nigger, a jew, a retard.
Please do not remind us of why you are here, give us a practical, bland, realistic solution to this global problem, instead of your supercilious waffling.
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Satyr Daemon
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