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PostSubject: Abraham's Apologist Abraham's Apologist EmptyFri Jul 29, 2022 9:52 am

Victim psychology is based on this Abrahamic conception of "innocence" - i.e., ignorance of unintended consequences.
Marxists killed millions, under the delusion of good-intentions ....so did Christians, so do Muslims, and Jews.
Their survival and reproductive meme is innocent, because it does not intend to harm, even if it does.

Muslims believe they are liberating the infidel from his sins by killing him and sending him to eternal damnation.
Christians believe the same....though these days don't act on these convictions because they have power, or have already been rewarded for their submission, their good deeds.
In Judaism the meme has been internalized, made into their unifying identity, so their adopted survival and reproductive strategy remains innocent of all unintentional collateral effects.
Were all these historical events the product or irrational hatred?
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Why didn't Gypsies suffer a similar fate though they practiced similar survival and reproductive strategies?

Is it genocide when there's no genus, but only an ideology, a dogma, a world-view or is this political?
Then why did the millions of Marxists that were killed not constitute a holocaust?

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PostSubject: Re: Abraham's Apologist Abraham's Apologist EmptyFri Jul 29, 2022 4:57 pm

Satyr wrote:
In the scene Wild Bill representing Abrahamism - evident in his last words "see you in hell" - is indoctrinated by a Christian ethos - in his mind all that he did was for the "good" of his town. He wonders, in the end, why this happened to him - "I don't deserve this".

Fuck! What a simplistic analysis.
'See you in hell'? This makes him a follower of Abraham?
A shallow and simplistic understanding of religion, one typical of the modern mind.
Atheists say that shit, as anyone does who imagines vengeance... they're lapsed Christians after all. The same way they say 'my God!'
Do they believe? No.
The whole film is about moral questions and responsibilities... including how hard it is to kill someone.
Little Bill gets exactly what he deserves for failing to dispense justice as the primary law enforcer.
He compounds this by assaulting and killing others unjustly.
Munny is God's retribution, dispensed on a night of rain and thunder as it is so often is in the good book.
Munny is the storm, the earthquake, the flood.
Bill is obviously the heathen yet you reverse it as it suits your argument at face value.

Was Bill doing God's work... drinking in a saloon and allowing prostitution, not enforcing the law fairly?
What false religion is this?
Building a house... is that God's work?
A strange religion indeed. More pagan than Abrahamic. More up your street, no?
Did he fast? Pray? Establish charitable works? Perform a pilgrimige? Make sacrifices?
No he... built a house... for the 'good of his town'.
What religion is that?
Pathetic.
One must act in the name of God... not for the life of this world.
Self-sacrifice.
It is incumbent.
If you build a house it must be to glorify God.



Proverbs 22:8 “Whoever sows injustice will reap calamity, and the rod of his fury will fail.”


Satyr wrote:
He knows causality requires no god

Causality requires no god [first cause].
Look at the intellect on display here....
Which then goes on to use cause and effect to make its point mired in the usual word salad.
Without a first cause there is only chaos... which you seem to venerate as it provides the justification for your own savage world view.
The human mind picks causes selectively, isolating phenomena as it is easier to deal with.
Potentially there are infinite causes.
Without a unifying principle no sense can be made of the world.
There is no justice.

Satyr wrote:
But natural selection has nothing to do with human moral and ideological standard?

Natural selection is an atheist theory.
It is 'unguided creation'... stripped of the divine.
Reduced to mechanical processes.

Soon it becomes the Holocaust... the weak are justly selected for extinction.
Every barbarity is excused.


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Does a parasite know that its actions - feeding and exploiting and undermining a host - will lead to the host's death, and consequently its own?
No....it can't....and if it can it mustn't.
why?
Because if it were aware its actions would be inhibited and so its effect would suffer.
A parasite can never know, even if it can, because then its adopted survival and reproductive strategy would not be as effective - awareness would increase the probability of failure.

Increased awareness would enable it to find new hosts.
Ones which present a greater cost/benefit ratio for survival.
But your analysis betrays your own fears... a parasite that feeds on others... becoming aware of its nature.
Its own reasons for doing so.
And how that leads to its psychosis (complete mental breakdown).

satyr wrote:
I place self-deciet as an evolved survival mechanism.

For you most definitely.
Evolved over the course of a lifetime.
The enemy is... out there.
And it has a female face.
A strategy evolved to deal with an unbearable reality... the world denied to the self. A thwarted existence.
Repressed and projected outwards.
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PostSubject: Re: Abraham's Apologist Abraham's Apologist EmptyFri Jul 29, 2022 5:03 pm

Still butt hurt?
Will you ever get over it?

There's your obsession with Satyr, and the Greeks and their homosexuality, and then there's your desire to submit to an alpha-male god.
Latent homosexuality?

A 'woman scorned'?

*Tik *Tok....the particle clocks are ticking...or is that your biological clock winding down?

Time is almost over.

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There's another pattern forming.
More of your brilliant posts, will clarify it.

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PostSubject: Re: Abraham's Apologist Abraham's Apologist EmptyFri Jul 29, 2022 5:17 pm

Satyr wrote:
Victim psychology is based on this Abrahamic conception of "innocence" - i.e., ignorance of unintended consequences.
Marxists killed millions, under the delusion of good-intentions ....so did Christians, so do Muslims, and Jews.
Their survival and reproductive meme is innocent, because it does not intend to harm, even if it does.

Muslims believe they are liberating the infidel from his sins by killing him and sending him to eternal damnation.

Muslims are simply following the word of God as it was revealed in the Qur'an.
Whether others follow or not is up to Allah.
Allah guides whom he will.
'There is no compulsion in religion'.

The West is in the state it's in due to following a false religion.
Man (Christ) venerated as God.
A religion without a sharia (religious law).

Western countries overrun by immigrants, materialism rampant, family values non-existent.
All kinds of fringe, weird shit. Pedo's. Men in nappies. Furry sex.
Mass shootings in schools. Immorality.
Women little more than prostitutes.
The answer is asceticism, self-limitation. Abstinence from alcohol/drugs. Religious values.
This will bring things back into balance over time.


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Who's stopping you, sweetie, from becoming a monk, and entering a monastery?
Nobody will bother you there.
Your god can make-love to your mind every night, impregnating it with his divine seed, and no Satyr will remind you of what you are.


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PostSubject: Re: Abraham's Apologist Abraham's Apologist EmptyFri Jul 29, 2022 5:28 pm

Warning:
If you continue to post off-topic Abrahamic superstitions indiscriminately, you will be banned.

This isn't ILP.
Even nonsense needs to be posted in the appropriate thread.

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PostSubject: Re: Abraham's Apologist Abraham's Apologist EmptyThu Aug 04, 2022 9:04 am

Satyr wrote:
Who's stopping you, sweetie, from becoming a monk, and entering a monastery?
Nobody will bother you there.
Your god can make-love to your mind every night, impregnating it with his divine seed, and no Satyr will remind you of what you are.

Why the need to make it extreme?
Is the thought of limiting (your) human behavior so terrifying?

Is constant change so addictive, the thought of the opposite like death?
A crack addict needs his needle.
All is war.

Yet without any stability your societies are doomed.
The chaos will grow...
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PostSubject: Re: Abraham's Apologist Abraham's Apologist EmptyThu Aug 04, 2022 10:01 am

Timon wrote:
Satyr wrote:
Who's stopping you, sweetie, from becoming a monk, and entering a monastery?
Nobody will bother you there.
Your god can make-love to your mind every night, impregnating it with his divine seed, and no Satyr will remind you of what you are.

Why the need to make it extreme?
You believe in absolutes and I'm extreme?
Do you even see how you reveal yourself with your accusations?

I advocate balance - Hellenic asceticism...not nihilistic, Buddhist or Abrahamic asceticism - as an end...but as a means.

Timon wrote:
Is the thought of limiting (your) human behavior so terrifying?
You probe for weakness and only expose your own?
Know Thyself, woman....introspect.

Limits are the basis of my world-view...but you are clueless.

What do I say?
The world is not only unknown but mostly unknowable....because of chaos.
There can never be omniscience nor omnipotence....
It is you, YOU, who believes in the unlimited.
Man can never be god - in the Abrahamic sense. There can never be a god.
My gods are fallible...not omnipotent.

Again...your attempts to find weakness reveal your weakness - they call it projection. I call it self-deceit.
I call it inevitable - the very essence of individuality, of subjectivity.
You are emotionally driven, entirely subjective, and proud of it; unable to comprehend the possibility of objectivity...and so you can only expose your motives as attacks on those who threaten to expose them.
But I'm used to it...
I've gone through this countless times.

What have I said about nihilism? - one of the things I've said and repeated often enough:
Nihilism is a defensive linguistic/semiotic reaction to emerging self-cosnciousnes.
A mind afraid of being seen - exposed - as what it is, casting ink-stains to escape - words upon words, undermining language itself, rejecting the self altogether, to escape being seen; attacking by using the only things it can understand: its own subjective need, desire...it's own anxiety/fear, as an insult, a weapon to attack the threat....the other.
So incomprehensible is objectivity - the need to see even what is more unflattering, most distressing - that you can only understand it by using yourself as an example - and so you seek a subjective motive beneath all objective opinions, because you cannot imagine anyone believing what is so hurtful, so counter to collective beleifs...so there must be a subjective motive....a weakness to be revealed, and in the process of revealing it you expose your own.
You look into your own thinking and you sense anxiety/fear there, corrupting your judgments so you project this, using it to accuse so as to not be seen.
The mother of all emotions is....fear.
Anxiety being low level fear. A natural for a life emerging into a mostly unknown and threatening existence.
Courage isn't the absence of fear....its its control.
Objectivity is this acceptance of what is perceived - judgements and choices unaffected by anxiety/fear...as much as it is possible.

I am a feeble, mortal human....yes....but my views...are unaffected by my feeble mortal humanity. I don't allow myself that luxury.
See why they can only understand me as some kind of inhuman Nazi?
There must be fear, hatred to explain what I say about women, or races, or the world...Right?
Why else would anyone think such things, let alone say them out loud?

Timon wrote:
Is constant change so addictive, the thought of the opposite like death?
The irony, hypocrite, is that change is inevitable and resisting change is life (agon, war)....it is the true revolutionary ideal.
As I've said in the past, as well....it's not the Left but the Right that is truly revolutionary.

The Left worships change, when change is inevitable.....it is existence itself...so what do they truly worship?
Their kind of change - change that will benefit them.
The Right is conservative, wanting to arrest change....and that is impossible...so all they can hope to accomplish is to conserve what they can against the tides of change.

Timon wrote:
A crack addict needs his needle.
All is war.
See how predictable and simple you are?
The attack exposes your obsession, your "addiction".
You remain clueless...primarily about yourself and your motives.
Look at how obsessive you are about me....the one who reminds you of who you are, by exposing the motives and feebleness beneath your "altruistic, well-meaning selfless" spiritual dogmatism - your Love Ontology.

I expose you...and this is what you cannot forgive, nor forget...even if, deep inside, this exposure is seductive - erotic.
Like all humans you want to be seen....but are afraid of being hurt - exploited, manipulated.
You dare others to see you beneath all the bullshyte you say and wear and do to conceal who you truly are and what your real motives are.

Humans aren't "complex" they are simple....what is complex is the deceptions they use - the words the use - to conceal their primal simplicity.
Words, symbols, artifices are used to hide and to fabricate complexity where there is none. The simpler the mind the more complex it claims to be.
Complex minds necessarily simplify; simple minds unnecessarily complicate.

See Marj - on ILP - reactions to any personal commentary that cuts too close to home?
She too fears being seen and exposed.
She reacts aggressively to anyone poking into her mind - making her feel violated -....but she can't stop being interested.
She is also interested din who she truly is.

Timon wrote:
Yet without any stability your societies are doomed.
My societies?
Which ones are mine?
Last I checked all were yours....Abrahamic, suppositious, Zionist, Americanised.
You worship chaos and don't even know it.

I am Apollonian, I worship order, beauty, reason...
My preferred society is Timocratic, polytheistic, within a world of distinct and separate ethnicities and their respective cultures, traditions, beliefs, i.e., genetic and memetic natural selection.
Where is "my society"?
I see societies that claim to believe in your delusional one-god...

Who are you debating, dear?
Do you even know what I think?
No.
This is the true reason you can't stop coming back.
You want me to cut my "word salads" into small digestible meaty morsels for you to chew on and digest.

Timon wrote:
The chaos will grow...
Chaos grows no matter what you do, or believe; it increases no matter what you prefer, or like, dear.
It's called "linear time" - from near-absolute order towards near-absoltue-chaos....and then the cycle restarts and continues.

Interacting patterns cause attrition, reducing order and gradually eroding it to disorder - patterns interacting inevitably become random.
It is harder to create than to destroy.
Interactions & Interpretations is my thesis ....for you, my "word salad".

Now go off and play with the other girls and let me watch you frolic and pull at your hair, all innocent and coy....let the wind blow your dress so that I may catch a glimpse of your ...panties.

An old Goat needs something to tickle his ivories.
Be a good girl and dance for the old man.

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PostSubject: Re: Abraham's Apologist Abraham's Apologist EmptyThu Aug 04, 2022 3:07 pm

Know what's funny
Henry Quirk is a Cristian...never once tried to push his beliefs on me, and I never once tried to push mine on him.
We got along just fine...
Then this cunt comes along, believing that if she undermines every hypothesis that contradicts her delusions, that, somehow, her delusions will benefit.
She believes that if she could disprove or discredit every cosmological hypothesis, other than her own, then her superstitions about an incomprehensible creator God will be proven....somehow.

It doesn't work that way...as Ecmandu would say.
She's too obtuse to see it.
She can discredit them all and still her own absurd beliefs are not proven.
But how do you convince a fanatic...a mind who has given up on reasoning, unless it is used to undermine reasoning?
Then the question arises.....why bother?
Yes, stupidity in large numbers does affect us all...but there's no way to stop a flood.

I mean, this is part of a cycle. Empires fall, superstitions obscurantism and occultism - religions and cults - flourish.
Empires rise, and then they wilt.
Feminization is part of the cycle.

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PostSubject: Re: Abraham's Apologist Abraham's Apologist EmptyThu Aug 04, 2022 3:52 pm

I know it hurts.
But think of all those suffering out there because you sit in your house spouting individualistic Hellenic nonsense... only affirming a deeply sick society.
Spreading that hate online.
Think of the vagrant stabbed to death in the street for having nothing.
Families put out of homes because of greedy bankers.
People judged by how much they own. What clothes they wear. Who end up committing suicide.
Young people ostracized for being different... called retards and freaks.
You can no longer be part of the problem.
The world is demanding a collective solution... moral, ethical, spiritual and political.
Something that can touch people everywhere.
Only a religious solution can fill that need.
Not a continuation of past materialist ideologies that all emanated from Europe... especially Greece.
You can be part of that by rejecting your own and joining the collective.
We can't afford to leave anyone out this time.
Just one consciousness out of harmony with the rest could wreck everything.
You'll die anyway, so what's the point of chasing ephemeral philosophies when you could be doing real practical good?
You're not publishing anything... so there'll be no legacy.
It'd be crazy not to.
And evil.
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PostSubject: Re: Abraham's Apologist Abraham's Apologist EmptyThu Aug 04, 2022 4:47 pm

Ha!!
I'm evil and you are good.
What does what you say have to do with reality?
Moron....are we to lie, or believe in lies, to protect the people that may suffer from the truth?
Are you fuckin' serious kook?
Are you autistic?
Philosophy isn't about helping the suffering of mankind, imbecile.
This is not its primary motive.

The weak should not become involved with philosophy.
They should become monks, join a monastery, and spend their days praying to whatever bullshit they find comforting?

Did I come to the opium den you grew up in, to confront you, and pull you out of your intoxicated stupor?
No.
Here you come, weakling...to challenge me with this crap?
Do I go to monasteries to mock the monks?
No.

My experience with humans is that they have varying tolerance levels for reality - different pain thresholds.
These people should find a comforting lie and stay away from philosophy.
Philosophy is about reality, the truth....not lies.
Religion is about lies, and offering comfort to the feeble and the suffering.
Few people can be real philosophers....you pathetic weakling, because few can put aside their self-interests, their egos, and their subjectivity....
You are one of those who can't and shouldn't.
ILP is for you.
Go there, and stay there.
Plenty of insane people there.

Reality neither hates nor does it love you. it remains indifferent to how you feel.
I describe the world...as it is...not as I wish it were.
What you find intolerably hatful is your disappointment at the way the world is, compared to how you prefer it was.

Go away.
Nobody will try to convince you of anything.
Live and die blind.
Billions have, already.
You don't have what it takes to think objectively.
Your concern for the suffering of others is really a concern for your own suffering.
It corrupts you.

I've said it a hundred times.
Intelligence is not the only trait one requires to be a philosopher.

kook wrote:
You'll die anyway, so what's the point of chasing ephemeral philosophies when you could be doing real practical good?
See?
Your motive is to save mankind from the suffering it has multiplied by believing in lies.

Go to religion...where mediocrity gathers.
Nobody will try to convince you to abandon the crutch you've adopted as your faith.
Go and pray for my soul.
I'm interested in reality...no matter how it makes me feel.

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The first step towards changing something is to know what you are attempting to change, and if what you want it to change it into is even possible.
Moron....the cycles of civilization are unstoppable.
Empires rise and fall...and when they fall the masses of mediocrity suffer.

I don't offer escapes, imbecile....but an analysis of what is - whether you, or I, or anyone likes it or not.
I don't tell people what to do, or how to cope, or how to survive.
I never have.
What I do, in my private life, is none of your business, as it isn't my business what you do.
Here I come to clear hundreds, thousands of years of lies away so that whatever way one chooses it can succeed because it is pragmatic not delusional.
I didn't make the world....nor did your god....no consciousness created the world.
Consciousness must adapt to the world as it is....
Is it unfair and brutal?
Yes.
Should I lie and pretend it isn't?
No.

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PostSubject: Re: Abraham's Apologist Abraham's Apologist EmptyThu Aug 04, 2022 6:26 pm

Timon wrote:
I know it hurts.
But think of all those suffering out there because you sit in your house spouting individualistic Hellenic nonsense... only affirming a deeply sick society.
Spreading that hate online.
LOL, while you just larped for "Allah", an Islamic reference... LOOOL

You fucking Leftists are literally insane.
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