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PostSubject: Meditation and Psychedelics Mon Nov 11, 2013 3:23 pm

Dimethyltryptamine ( DMT ) is a psychedelic compound of the trytamine family. It is the most potent hallucinogenic substance known to man. Those who have consumed it have reported vivid and profound experiences of making contact with hyper-dimensional entities, e.g., Gods, aliens, angels, etc. Most of the experiences reported were of a euphoric and benevolent nature, and others were the inverse.

Rick Strausman is a medical doctor from the university of Stanford who did an experiment with Dimethyltryptamine. He organized a study to test the psychedelic compound on a group of people within a scientific context.
He took notes on the reactions and stories of his test subjects. He wrote a book on the study and also took part in a documentary on the topic.






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PostSubject: Boredom is weariness leaving the body Mon Nov 11, 2013 3:55 pm

If there's anything moderns fear more than pain, it's boredom. Be a rebel and endure some boredom. It resensitizes you to simple pleasures.

Meditation is complete boredom.
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PostSubject: Re: Meditation and Psychedelics Mon Nov 11, 2013 4:31 pm

My personal opinion on this is its just altering chemical messengers in your brain artificially, no magic, nothing "real" happens except an artificial state...like being drunk on a grander scale.
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PostSubject: Re: Meditation and Psychedelics Mon Nov 11, 2013 4:40 pm

Likewise. But I do believe psychedelics can be used as tools for self-inquiry and creativity.
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PostSubject: Re: Meditation and Psychedelics Mon Nov 11, 2013 4:43 pm

Evola's ride the tiger as some excursus on pharmacological agents with that intent in mind.
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PostSubject: Re: Meditation and Psychedelics Mon Nov 11, 2013 7:19 pm

"Meditation is complete boredom."

Yes, indeed. I have not meditated in some time, but I used to do it often when I was more into Eastern mysticism. It helps get rid of the excess mental clutter - bringing clarity.
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PostSubject: Re: Meditation and Psychedelics Mon Nov 11, 2013 8:14 pm

Yeah it's like a mental reboot.

Meditation has always been hard for me. But that just means I have more to gain from doing it - I have more mental clutter to be cleared.
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PostSubject: Meditation Thu Jun 26, 2014 11:05 am

I'd like to know other people's opinion on the uses of meditation. Does it take different forms? Have other people done or do it? What reasons do people do it for? Has anyone had any interesting results from?
I know I've read on here criticisms of meditation. I think they're mostly in the ball-park of meditation being a means to revert from reality and stop incoming sense data, essentially a way of self-vegetation. But meditation obviously has many benefits for people, otherwise it would not have been practiced for a thousands of years and still be popular.
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PostSubject: Re: Meditation and Psychedelics Thu Jun 26, 2014 11:12 am

It is because meditation is a closing off of the consciousness, that makes it so rejuvenating.
A calmness is produced when the mind is cleared of all care, all stimuli, and it turns inward.

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PostSubject: Re: Meditation and Psychedelics Thu Jun 26, 2014 2:27 pm

Meditation as I practice is is the synchronization of the left and right brain hemispheres. This does away with the minor cognitive dissonance that humans normally suffer as a given, and which uses up enormous amounts of energy. The brain/head uses and loses most energy of all body parts, and most of that energy is wasted if the hemispheres are competing, ill-contrasting each other.

To focus on the third eye, which is the pituitary gland, means to centralize the effort of the brain, to draw left and right hemisphere action toward the same focus. It does not immediately mean synchronization ("silence", "bliss") that either has to occur through the enduring pressure of the meditation, or through more intelligent techniques designed to connect the left to the right brain based on value, identity, choice - i.e. the structurally connect them, rather than occasionally.

Most meditation protocol assumes a kind of pre-established blissful realm, an original state to which man must return through effort and discipline.  The truth to which this refers is simply the human physiology. Yoga (union) is the discipline of a human organism getting to know itself, consciously uniting with itself, which is the cause of unimaginable bliss to which many who have tasted it for a shred of a second will remain addicted their whole lives.



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PostSubject: Re: Meditation and Psychedelics Thu Jun 26, 2014 2:37 pm

I recommend 'Helrunar' by Jan Fries for a pagan oriented plethora of meditation techniques.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/196841322/Helrunar-Jan-Fries

I think this is healthier than diving into the more rigid yoga meditations directly, especially for a young male.



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PostSubject: Re: Meditation and Psychedelics Thu Jun 26, 2014 2:42 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Meditation and Psychedelics Thu Jun 26, 2014 2:44 pm

Fixed Cross wrote:
Meditation as I practice is is the synchronization of the left and right brain hemispheres. This does away with the minor cognitive dissonance that humans normally suffer as a given, and which uses up enormous amounts of energy. The brain/head uses and loses most energy of all body parts, and most of that energy is wasted if the hemispheres are competing, ill-contrasting each other.

To focus on the third eye, which is the pituitary gland, means to centralize the effort of the brain, to draw left and right hemisphere action toward the same focus. It does not immediately mean synchronization ("silence", "bliss") that either has to occur through the enduring pressure of the meditation, or through more intelligent techniques designed to connect the left to the right brain based on value, identity, choice - i.e. the structurally connect them, rather than occasionally.

Most meditation protocol assumes a kind of pre-established blissful realm, an original state to which man must return through effort and discipline.  The truth to which this refers is simply the human physiology. Yoga (union) is the discipline of a human organism getting to know itself, consciously uniting with itself, which is the cause of unimaginable bliss to which many who have tasted it for a shred of a second will remain addicted their whole lives.




Have you ever tried meditation in conjunction with light psychedelics? I've done it before with Marijuana, and had a plethora of revelations, revelations that I still found sound even after the intoxication. For me, I have the complete opposite experience with Marijuana compared to the majority of people; for most, it makes them feel relaxed and mentally dull. For me, it heightens my awareness, makes me feel on edge, and more creative. I do meditation without psychedelics, too; I rarely use psychedelics and when I do, it's for introspective purposes.
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PostSubject: Re: Meditation and Psychedelics Thu Jun 26, 2014 2:59 pm

Erik wrote:
Have you ever tried meditation in conjunction with light psychedelics? I've done it before with Marijuana, and had a plethora of revelations, revelations that I still found sound even after the intoxication. For me, I have the complete opposite experience with Marijuana compared to the majority of people; for most, it makes them feel relaxed and mentally dull. For me, it heightens my awareness, makes me feel on edge, and more creative. I do meditation without psychedelics, too; I rarely use psychedelics and when I do, it's for introspective purposes.

Yes, I find marijuana radically enhances meditation. Psychedelics are indeed different, they've always made me calm, aware that nothing matters except the greatest victories and jokes in a historical sense, and in the momentary sense the direct experience of beauty, which i see as the immanence (self-valuing), contrasting the transcendent marijuana high which appeals to ideas and constructions, the metaphysical.

Analogously, marijuana is a painkiller, and we feel physically ill after eating mushrooms, an ill-sense that becomes good not in itself but because consciousness takes a different shape around it. We feel existential Agon, and the mind bends to appreciate it and learn to see beauty in its terms. Perhaps all the beauty we see in a trip is pain, yearning. So we turn pain into pleasure, overcome it.

Drugs are means to overcome, should be used infrequently, but should be used.


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PostSubject: Re: Meditation and Psychedelics Thu Jun 26, 2014 3:10 pm

Still, meditation without drugs, when brought to the point of enhancement for which one may also use a drug, is radically more potent. The amount of energy that must be summoned to get the body to produce these chemicals without stimulus represents the sacrifice that turns into power.
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PostSubject: Re: Meditation and Psychedelics Thu Jun 26, 2014 3:32 pm

Drugs are teachers of sacrifice.

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PostSubject: Re: Meditation and Psychedelics Thu Jun 26, 2014 3:35 pm

Have you ever tried ayahuasca or DMT?
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PostSubject: Re: Meditation and Psychedelics Sat Jun 28, 2014 11:36 am

No. I expect their effect to transform my consciousness to structurally. What I've read about DMT in "The Spirit Molecule" alone tells me I'm better off letting my pineal gland function without stimulus. There is a slim chance I might try ayahuasca if I encountered it in a context that relates to its ethnological origins, but the chance of that happening is not great. I certainly don't need it to understand anything anymore.

I did LSD only recently, and save a burning living crocodile on the furnace, it was a quite mundane experience compared to the states of mind I have gotten used to accessing without drugs.
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PostSubject: Re: Meditation and Psychedelics Mon Jun 30, 2014 3:30 pm

Fixed Cross wrote:
I think this is healthier than diving into the more rigid yoga meditations directly, especially for a young male.


How are yogic meditations more dangerous, especially for young males?

Erik what meditation techniques do you use?
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PostSubject: Re: Meditation and Psychedelics Mon Jun 30, 2014 4:06 pm

SuperfluousMass wrote:
Fixed Cross wrote:
I think this is healthier than diving into the more rigid yoga meditations directly, especially for a young male.


How are yogic meditations more dangerous, especially for young males?

Erik what meditation techniques do you use?

I've tried various techniques. For example: fire-gazing, mantras, psychedelic, and so on. Now I mostly just go into the forrest, somewhere silent, and sit. I focus on my breath - take deep inhalations and slow exhalations. Standard meditation.

How about you?
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PostSubject: Re: Meditation and Psychedelics Mon Jun 30, 2014 8:22 pm

Only done it once, led by one of these youtube walkthrough videos with the music and the overly sedate California voice. Meditating in that way seems a bit micky mouse. Perhaps I'll give it a whirl in the garden tomorrow before all the neighbours' lawn mowers start blaring.
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PostSubject: Re: Meditation and Psychedelics Fri Jul 04, 2014 10:19 am

SuperfluousMass wrote:
Fixed Cross wrote:
I think this is healthier than diving into the more rigid yoga meditations directly, especially for a young male.


How are yogic meditations more dangerous, especially for young males?

Rather less dangerous, thus less invigorating. A young male needs wildness, recklessness, sudden movement, violence. He needs to get to know the strength of his system, before he begins to design his matured control over it.








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PostSubject: Re: Meditation and Psychedelics Fri Jul 04, 2014 10:41 am

The most vital part of yoga meditation is the awareness of the three main nadi's - the Ida and Pingala and Sushumna nadi, and being able to course energy up and down the first two and combine in the third.



If you can do that, then learn to hold both Ida and Pingala nadi energized in your awareness. Then, with an act of will that is uncommon to meditation practices, merge the two nadi's in your 'imagination' (body-mind). If successful, you will explode, begin to shake vehemently, utter sounds, scream perhaps, and be charged with so much energy that all your discomfort is instantly burned away.

This act of merger, of holding in your concentration two different build-ups of type-energy (e.g. solar and lunar as in this case) is a very reliable de facto initiation into occultism. Once you master this, you will have no problems finding out for yourself what miraculous realms of vision and power are possible to man.

Focusing on breath, though pretty decent for superficial relaxation, does not touch on the power of meditation. Vision is required, even if it is 'only' vision of the void.

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PostSubject: Re: Meditation and Psychedelics Fri Jul 04, 2014 10:57 am

An alternative to yoga and a perfectly compatible approach is Chi Kung. It works with the same polarity principle, similar loci of essence/power and demands development of the same type of concentration.

The following quote reiterates what I said about breathing exercises and the need to go deeper to actually benefit. The source is only an introduction to the actual book, which I haven't read. For truly great instruction in Chi Kung read Wong Kiew Kit.


Quote :
Low Level Chi Kung – It is unfortunate that many Chi Kung practitioners today only

practise at the level of Form. In truth this is not Chi Kung at all, but Chi Kung Form. From my

own experience I find this level of Chi Kung to be of less health benefit than conventional

Western activities like walking, running or swimming. It may provide relaxation, gentle

exercise by stretching the muscles and promoting blood flow but the effects are unlikely

to be strong enough to overcome illness.



Middle Level Chi Kung – At this level the Chi Kung practitioner seeks to actively influence

their flow of energy. Usually to increase the flow or to remove blockages and promote Yin

Yang harmony. At this level the effects on health are superior to those of conventional Western

exercise. Many illnesses can be overcome and avoided altogether by practising at this level.



High Level Chi Kung – At this level the practitioner works on the three treasures of a

human: Form, Energy and Mind. By attaining a Chi Kung State of Mind (to be explained in

part 3) the practitioner can actively influence energy. For example tapping energy from the

Cosmos and directing it to any part of the body. At this level it simply is not possible to

compare the benefits of Western exercise with those of Chi Kung.

[Marcus Santer, "Shaolin Kung Fu" (excerpt)]



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PostSubject: Re: Meditation and Psychedelics Mon Jul 07, 2014 2:13 pm

There are many different kinds of meditation and they do not all lead to the same places/states/goals. The shamanic traditions, within which many of the hallucinagens were used, do not have the same ontologies, goal states and disciplines as Eastern practices - though even this last term covers a wide range of practices, states and goals. There is a lot of apples and bicycles covered in the term meditation and to say one is better than another is often going to be a silly as saying a Macintosh is better than a Bianchi. From the outside a lot of people project their ideas about Eastern philosophy - generally the Buddhist end - onto all contemplative practices and figure the goals is really the same. The advanced shaman, Hindu, Zen practitioner, druid is really doing the same things as the others and the goals and states are the same. No way.

That said, whatever you accomplish with drugs as a crutch, you will likely have to regain on your own without drugs. The main positive use of drugs, hallucinogens, it seems to me, is to let you know 1) your view of yourself has been radically limited and 2) your view of the world has been radically limited. After that you might as well get down to the business of approaching reality that is beyond your current norms the hard but empowered way and that is without drugs.

Unless, and this is a big unless,you just want a bunch of information and insights - which a lot of people do - and are not so interested in actually changing and developing yourself.
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PostSubject: Re: Meditation and Psychedelics Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:53 pm

Fixed Cross wrote:
SuperfluousMass wrote:
Fixed Cross wrote:
I think this is healthier than diving into the more rigid yoga meditations directly, especially for a young male.


How are yogic meditations more dangerous, especially for young males?

Rather less dangerous, thus less invigorating. A young male needs wildness, recklessness, sudden movement, violence. He needs to get to know the strength of his system, before he begins to design his matured control over it.



Evola wrote:
"Dispassionately inflict an extreme physical pain on yourself and endure it for a number of minutes: stand up to it, and then grow stronger— until you have the power to silence it.
Do violence to yourself. Do not do what you like, but what costs you: on principle, always take the path of greatest resistance. Shift the natural pleasure for this or that object to the pleasure of "having wanted." In conformity with an ancient formula of our Tradition, according to which in order to "dissolve" a "metal" it is necessary to make it red-hot and then immerse it in water, excite, exasperate an instinct, an impulse, a desire, and then, abruptly, when its fulfillment is at hand, suspend it. At that point the supersensible "eye" will see flashes come out of the lower centers and run snakelike toward the higher centers of the head, which by absorbing the former's strength begins to shine with a formidable light. This virtue of theirs is powerful and dry; it is the golden virtue of absolute command and of the absolute conception in magical realizations." [Introduction to Magic]

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The alternation of Inhalation [ham] and Exhalation [sa] is to regularize a Form, a stability, a constant rhythm upon which one can 'rest' [Emptiness] and build, free the mind for focus. Hence the hamsa - the discriminating swan, the apollonian bird, both to the greeks and to the Vedantins. You keep one thing relatively stable and try to build upon it - the same concept as in the movie 'Inception' - the penetration into successive dream-spaces - tearing of the sheaths of consciousness, standing on the basis of a timer. This is what Meditation literally is - to "build layers" to place your foot to ascend, a 'stairway to heaven', if you will.

Breath-contol Meditation is the basis of awakening the Kundalini - sustaining a constancy upon which one makes the energy rise; I like these diagrams:

Prana flowing in Ida or Pingala

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PostSubject: Re: Meditation and Psychedelics Mon Aug 17, 2015 1:59 am

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