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ONE WHO SPEAKS "OBJECTIVELY" SPEAKS IN PARANOID HALLUCINATIONS.

The act of obedience is only possible when the self is alienated from the self.
This "repression," "armouring," "Maya." Call it what you will. The word is not the thing. The menu is not the meal. The act of obedience is a function of coding, of an Information matrix without self-regulation.

Alienation begins with the very first act of obedience. With each repeated act of obedience, the self becomes less and less able to be its own motor, less able to motivate action, hence existentially less "real."

Sir Arthur Eddington described entropy as "time's arrow." It is because of entropy that the universe has states distinguishable as "before" and "after." Travel in time thus becomes a matter of manipulating entropy and negentropy.

Negentropy has been shown by Claude Shannon to be mathematically identical with Information. The amount of information in a message is the negentropy of the message.

A civilization is an information matrix. A tribe is an information matrix. Valid information in the tribe is oral, and a tribal matrix is acoustic. Valid information in a civilization is written and authorized by a priesthood or by state officials; a civilized matrix is visual.

In a tribal-acoustic matrix, time is cyclical and people are spell-bound, inside the big beat of the repeated sacred chant.

In the literate-visual matrix of civilized man,
time is linear and goes on and on forever, like
time is linear and goes on and on forever, like
time is linear and goes on and on forever, like
the line of type which can be endlessly duplicated,
the line of type which can be endlessly duplicated,
the line of type which can be endlessly duplicated.

Time-travel is commonplace among tribal peoples and hardly occasions’ comment.
"Oh, Xtopl went back to visit the Ancestors last Tuesday"
"Yeah, he was always one for gadding about."

Literate man consigns the concept of time-travel to fantasy and science-fiction. Like other voyages outside the space-time-ego game, he does it only in his sleep. If it happens by accident while he is awake, his first thought is, "Call the doctor, I'm going psycho."

The war against LSD is chiefly a war against telepathy and time-travel, both of which are incompatible with hierarchical, literate, authoritarian government.

YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO STEP OUTSIDE THE FRAMEWORK WHICH HAS BEEN OFFICIALLY DESIGNED AS "REALITY" BECAUSE THIS GIVES THE WHOLE GAME AWAY.

"REALITY" IS MERELY SOCIETY'S NAME FOR THE SUM TOTAL OF ALL ITS VARIOUS PARANOID HALLUCINATIONS. The hallucination of the separate "nation." The hallucination of the separate "race." The hallucination of the separate "ego." The hallucinations of Euclidean space and Newtonian time.

Even iron, the usual symbol of "hard" "objective" "reality" is now revealed as part of a process, one three-dimensional cross-section of a four-dimensional event, a particular structure of energy midway between the primal ore and the ultimate rust.

A serious young man found the conflicts of mid-twentieth century America confusing. He went to many people seeking a way of resolving within himself the discords that troubled him, but he remained troubled. One night in a coffee house, a self-ordained Zen Master said to him, "Go to the dilapidated mansion you will find at this address which I have written down for you. Do not speak to those who live there; you must remain silent until the moon rises tomorrow night. Go to the large room on the right of the main hallway, sit in the lotus position on top of the rubble in the northeast corner, face the corner, and meditate."

He did as the Zen Master instructed. His meditation was frequently interrupted by worries. He worried whether or not the rest of the plumbing fixtures would fall from the second floor bathroom to join the pipes and other trash he was sitting on. He worried how he would know when the moon rose on the next night. He worried about what the people who walked through the room said about him. His worrying and meditation were disturbed when, as if in a test of his faith, ordure fell from the second floor onto him. At that time two people walked into the room. The first asked the second who the man sitting there was.

The second replied, "Some say he is a holy man. Others say he is a shithead."
Hearing this, the man was enlightened.


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Eros and Civilization

"The founding document of the 1960's counterculture, and that which brought the Frankfurt School's "revolutionary messianism" of the 1920's into the 1960's, was Marcuse's Eros and Civilization, originally published in 1955 and funded by the Rockefeller Foundation. The document masterfully sums up the Frankfurt School ideology of Kulturpessimismus in the concept of "dimensionality." In one of the most bizarre perversions of philosophy, Marcuse claims to derive this concept from Friedrich Schiller. Schiller, whom Marcuse purposefully misidentifies as the heir of Immanuel Kant, discerned two dimensions in humanity: a sensuous instinct and an impulse toward form. Schiller advocated the harmonization of these two instincts in man in the form of a creative play instinct. For Marcuse, on the other hand, the only hope to escape the one-dimensionality of modern industrial society was to liberate the erotic side of man, the sensuous instinct, in rebellion against "technological rationality." As Marcuse would say later (1964) in his One-Dimensional Man, "A comfortable, smooth, reasonable, democratic unfreedom prevails in advanced industrial civilization, a token of technical progress." This erotic liberation he misidentifies with Schiller's "play instinct," which, rather than being erotic, is an expression of charity, the higher concept of love associated with true creativity. Marcuse's contrary theory of erotic liberation is something implicit in Sigmund Freud, but not explicitly emphasized, except for some Freudian renegades like Wilhelm Reich and, to a certain extent, Carl Jung. Every aspect of culture in the West, including reason itself, says Marcuse, acts to repress this: "The totalitarian universe of technological rationality is the latest transmutation of the idea of reason." Or: "Auschwitz continues to haunt, not the memory but the accomplishments of man—the space flights, the rockets and missiles, the pretty electronics plants...."

This erotic liberation should take the form of the "Great Refusal," a total rejection of the "capitalist" monster and all his works, including "technological" reason, and "ritual-authoritarian language." As part of the Great Refusal, mankind should develop an "aesthetic ethos," turning life into an aesthetic ritual, a "life-style" (a nonsense phrase which came into the language in the 1960's under Marcuse's influence). With Marcuse representing the point of the wedge, the 1960's were filled with obtuse intellectual justifications of contentless adolescent sexual rebellion. Eros and Civilization was reissued as an inexpensive paperback in 1961, and ran through several editions; in the preface to the 1966 edition, Marcuse added that the new slogan, "Make Love, Not War," was exactly what he was talking about: "The fight for eros is a political fight [emphasis in original]." In 1969, he noted that even the New Left's obsessive use of obscenities in its manifestoes was part of the Great Refusal, calling it "a systematic linguistic rebellion, which smashes the ideological context in which the words are employed and defined." Marcuse was aided by psychoanalyst Norman O. Brown, his OSS protege, who contributed Life Against Death in 1959, and Love's Body in 1966—calling for man to shed his reasonable, "armored" ego, and replace it with a "Dionysian body ego," that would embrace the instinctual reality of polymorphous perversity, and bring man back into "union with nature." The books of Reich, who had claimed that Nazism was caused by monogamy, were re-issued. Reich had died in an American prison, jailed for taking money on the claim that cancer could be cured by rechanneling "orgone energy." Primary education became dominated by Reich's leading follower, A.S. Neill, a Theosophical cult member of the 1930's and militant atheist, whose educational theories demanded that students be taught to rebel against teachers who are, by nature, authoritarian. Neill's book Summerhill sold 24,000 copies in 1960, rising to 100,000 in 1968, and 2 million in 1970; by 1970, it was required reading in 600 university courses, making it one of the most influential education texts of the period, and still a benchmark for recent writers on the subject. Marcuse led the way for the complete revival of the rest of the Frankfurt School theorists, re-introducing the long-forgotten Lukacs to America. Marcuse himself became the lightning rod for attacks on the counterculture, and was regularly attacked by such sources as the Soviet daily Pravda, and then-California Governor Ronald Reagan. The only critique of any merit at the time, however, was one by Pope Paul VI, who in 1969 named Marcuse (an extraordinary step, as the Vatican usually refrains from formal denunciations of living individuals), along with Freud, for their justification of "disgusting and unbridled expressions of eroticism"; and called Marcuse's theory of liberation, "the theory which opens the way for license cloaked as liberty ... an aberration of instinct." The eroticism of the counterculture meant much more than free love and a violent attack on the nuclear family. It also meant the legitimization of philosophical eros. People were trained to see themselves as objects, determined by their "natures." The importance of the individual as a person gifted with the divine spark of creativity, and capable of acting upon all human civilization, was replaced by the idea that the person is important because he or she is black, or a woman, or feels homosexual impulses. This explains the deformation of the civil rights movement into a "black power" movement, and the transformation of the legitimate issue of civil rights for women into feminism. Discussion of women's civil rights was forced into being just another "liberation cult," complete with bra-burning and other, sometimes openly Astarte-style, rituals; a review of Kate Millet's Sexual Politics (1970) and Germaine Greer's The Female Eunuch (1971), demonstrates their complete reliance on Marcuse, Fromm, Reich, and other Freudian extremists."


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"The simmering unrest on campus in 1960 might well too have passed or had a positive outcome, were it not for the traumatic decapitation of the nation through the Kennedy assassination, plus the simultaneous introduction of widespread drug use. Drugs had always been an "analytical tool" of the nineteenth century Romantics, like the French Symbolists, and were popular among the European and American Bohemian fringe well into the post-World War II period. But, in the second half of the 1950's, the CIA and allied intelligence services began extensive experimentation with the hallucinogen LSD to investigate its potential for social control. It has now been documented that millions of doses of the chemical were produced and disseminated under the aegis of the CIA's Operation MK-Ultra. LSD became the drug of choice within the agency itself, and was passed out freely to friends of the family, including a substantial number of OSS veterans. For instance, it was OSS Research and Analysis Branch veteran Gregory Bateson who "turned on" the Beat poet Allen Ginsberg to a U.S. Navy LSD experiment in Palo Alto, California. Not only Ginsberg, but novelist Ken Kesey and the original members of the Grateful Dead rock group opened the doors of perception courtesy of the Navy. The guru of the "psychedelic revolution," Timothy Leary, first heard about hallucinogens in 1957 from Life magazine (whose publisher, Henry Luce, was often given government acid, like many other opinion shapers), and began his career as a CIA contract employee; at a 1977 "reunion" of acid pioneers, Leary openly admitted, "everything I am, I owe to the foresight of the CIA." Hallucinogens have the singular effect of making the victim asocial, totally self-centered, and concerned with objects. Even the most banal objects take on the "aura" which Benjamin had talked about, and become timeless and delusionarily profound. In other words, hallucinogens instantaneously achieve a state of mind identical to that prescribed by the Frankfurt School theories. And, the popularization of these chemicals created a vast psychological lability for bringing those theories into practice. Thus, the situation at the beginning of the 1960's represented a brilliant re-entry point for the Frankfurt School, and it was fully exploited. One of the crowning ironies of the "Now Generation" of 1964 on, is that, for all its protestations of utter modernity, none of its ideas or artifacts was less than thirty years old. The political theory came completely from the Frankfurt School; Lucien Goldmann, a French radical who was a visiting professor at Columbia in 1968, was absolutely correct when he said of Herbert Marcuse in 1969 that "the student movements ... found in his works and ultimately in his works alone the theoretical formulation of their problems and aspirations [emphasis in original]." The long hair and sandals, the free love communes, the macrobiotic food, the liberated lifestyles, had been designed at the turn of the century, and thoroughly field-tested by various, Frankfurt School-connected New Age social experiments like the Ascona commune before 1920. Even Tom Hayden's defiant "Never trust anyone over thirty," was merely a less-urbane version of Rupert Brooke's 1905, "Nobody over thirty is worth talking to." The social planners who shaped the 1960's simply relied on already-available materials."

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"The Bad Trip

This popularization of life as an erotic, pessimistic ritual did not abate, but in fact deepened over the twenty years leading to today; it is the basis of the horror we see around us. The heirs of Marcuse and Adorno completely dominate the universities, teaching their own students to replace reason with "Politically Correct" ritual exercises. There are very few theoretical books on arts, letters, or language published today in the United States or Europe which do not openly acknowledge their debt to the Frankfort School.

The witchhunt on today's campuses is merely the implementation of Marcuse's concept of "repressive toleration"—"tolerance for movements from the left, but intolerance for movements from the right"—enforced by the students of the Frankfurt School, now become the professors of women's studies and Afro-American studies. The most erudite spokesman for Afro-American studies, for instance, Professor Cornell West of Princeton, publicly states that his theories are derived from Georg Lukacs. At the same time, the ugliness so carefully nurtured by the Frankfurt School pessimists, has corrupted our highest cultural endeavors. One can hardly find a performance of a Mozart opera, which has not been utterly deformed by a director who, following Benjamin and the I.S.R., wants to "liberate the erotic subtext." You cannot ask an orchestra to perform Schönberg and Beethoven on the same program, and maintain its integrity for the latter. And, when our highest culture becomes impotent, popular culture becomes openly bestial. One final image: American and European children daily watch films like Nightmare on Elm Street and Total Recall, or television shows comparable to them. A typical scene in one of these will have a figure emerge from a television set; the skin of his face will realistically peel away to reveal a hideously deformed man with razor-blade fingers, fingers which start growing to several feet in length, and—suddenly—the victim is slashed to bloody ribbons. This is not entertainment. This is the deeply paranoid hallucination of the LSD acid head. The worst of what happened in the 1960's is now daily fare. Owing to the Frankfurt School and its co-conspirators, the West is on a "bad trip" from which it is not being allowed to come down."

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PostSubject: Re: Meditation and Psychedelics Meditation and Psychedelics - Page 2 EmptySun Jun 12, 2016 3:30 pm

Mr.Monk wrote:
ONE WHO SPEAKS "OBJECTIVELY" SPEAKS IN PARANOID HALLUCINATIONS.

Depends on the subject matter; if I speak objectively about negroes having average IQ’s ranging, depending on White admixture, from 67 to 84, I speak plain clear truth as it reveals itself to be without ‘’hallucinating’’ (whatever you mean by that) and paranoia. But if I speak about this on accident among negroes with their lower impulse control and SJW, yes, I might be paranoid for aggressive reactions because of their hurt feeeelz.

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The act of obedience is only possible when the self is alienated from the self.

How so, obedience is a part of being; and self can never be truly annihilated as self determines potential and processing. You can suppress, but this too, the experience, realisation, neurotic defences / harming, correlates to the processing of your being as no being is equal, for ‘to be’ is ‘to cause’- be-cause, cause and effect from essence correlating to environment, and no essence is equal (different degrees of realisation).
And then there is of course the understanding of the concept ‘Self’; how much of ‘Self (realisation) has an average negroe?

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Alienation begins with the very first act of obedience.

Depends to what you obey; if one obeys to survive and to survive meaning to turn off your senses in order to cope with it, then yes; but if you obey to your like and your potential acknowledged by another, it is possible to expand and better understand yourself. Metabolism, genes, instincts, knowledge etc., it all is the law (obeying) of biology.

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In the literate-visual matrix of civilized man,
time is linear and goes on and on forever, like

Indeed, this all relates to the collective memory as property and the origins of cultural realisation (hence Christian Europeans have copy-paste names not correlating to essence and another perspective upon originating, thus source of memory and self-realisation).

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The war against LSD is chiefly a war against telepathy and time-travel, both of which are incompatible with hierarchical, literate, authoritarian government.

It is just mind-distorting. If you dream, you aren’t in another dimension of reality, only in a captivated subjective matter you are; but if you dream about pussy but are raped by a maniac who drugged you – the rape is the ultimate reality.

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"REALITY" IS MERELY SOCIETY'S NAME FOR THE SUM TOTAL OF ALL ITS VARIOUS PARANOID HALLUCINATIONS. The hallucination of the separate "nation." The hallucination of the separate "race." The hallucination of the separate "ego." The hallucinations of Euclidean space and Newtonian time.

Niggers…..and I….aren’t equal and have different degrees of ego (self-realisation capacity / tendency).
Anytime one talks about god, salvation, beauty, laws, oneness, hallucination, I say - NIGGER. And BOOM, reality slaps you in the face with an ugly smelly hominoid chimp face smirking at you.



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OhFortunae wrote:


Mr.Monk wrote:
The act of obedience is only possible when the self is alienated from the self.

How so, obedience is a part of being; and self can never be truly annihilated as self determines potential and processing. You can suppress, but this too, the experience, realisation, neurotic defences / harming, correlates to the processing of your being as no being is equal, for ‘to be’ is ‘to cause’- be-cause, cause and effect from essence correlating to environment, and no essence is equal (different degrees of realisation).

Obedience is a part of being, yes. But it also is the transfer of power outside one's self. If one has an army of Negroids, all obedient to his/her cause, the individual self's power is laid in the hands of a bigger entity focused on the particular will of the leader. Here, the individual self is alienated as he/she submits to another - not necessarily in alignment with his/her individual self's will.


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Mr.Monk wrote:
Alienation begins with the very first act of obedience.

Depends to what you obey; if one obeys to survive and to survive meaning to turn off your senses in order to cope with it, then yes; but if you obey to your like and your potential acknowledged by another, it is possible to expand and better understand yourself. Metabolism, genes, instincts, knowledge etc., it all is the law (obeying) of biology.

Yes, when one obeys to another who provides acknowledgement and relatedness, this is out of the need for validation that the self seeks for the reality that it lives in and perceives. This again is being open to alien ideas where there occurs a possibility of discovering something useful for the self, which currently 'is not there' in the self, thus alienation from self.

OhFortunae wrote:


Mr.Monk wrote:
In the literate-visual matrix of civilized man,
time is linear and goes on and on forever, like

Indeed, this all relates to the collective memory as property and the origins of cultural realisation (hence Christian Europeans have copy-paste names not correlating to essence and another perspective upon originating, thus source of memory and self-realisation).

Literate-visual matrix does provide what the self seeks, a continuous understanding of what it means to exist. This opens up or rather closes the self's possibilities in the structures of his/her's language's grammar. The more objectifying, the simpler it becomes to exist, right?

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Mr.Monk wrote:
The war against LSD is chiefly a war against telepathy and time-travel, both of which are incompatible with hierarchical, literate, authoritarian government.

It is just mind-distorting. If you dream, you aren’t in another dimension of reality, only in a captivated subjective matter you are; but if you dream about pussy but are raped by a maniac who drugged you – the rape is the ultimate reality.

Mind-distorting, yes. Denying reality, no. Being open to non-linear non-dual view of reality, yes. Being butt fucked and dreaming of pussy, again belongs to the realm of duality that makes the self vulnerable to self-doubt, so no.

OhFortunae wrote:


Mr.Monk wrote:
"REALITY" IS MERELY SOCIETY'S NAME FOR THE SUM TOTAL OF ALL ITS VARIOUS PARANOID HALLUCINATIONS. The hallucination of the separate "nation." The hallucination of the separate "race." The hallucination of the separate "ego." The hallucinations of Euclidean space and Newtonian time.

Niggers…..and I….aren’t equal and have different degrees of ego (self-realisation capacity / tendency).
Anytime one talks about god, salvation, beauty, laws, oneness, hallucination, I say - NIGGER. And BOOM, reality slaps you in the face with an ugly smelly hominoid chimp face smirking at you.

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"Fuke Zen was a distinct and ephemeral derivative school of Japanese Zen Buddhism which originated as an offshoot of the Rinzai school during the nation's feudal era, lasting from the 13th century until the late 19th century. The sect, or sub-sect, traced its philosophical roots to the eccentric Zen master Puhua, as well as similarities and correspondences with the early Linji House and previous Chán traditions—particularly Huineng's "Sudden Enlightenment" (Southern Chán)—in Tang Dynasty China.

Fuke monks or priests (komusō) were noted for playing the shakuhachi bamboo flute as a form of meditation known as suizen ("blowing meditation"), an innovation from the earlier zazen ("sitting meditation") of other Zen sects. Fuke Zen was characterized in the public imagination of Japan by its monks' playing of the shakuhachi flute while wearing a large woven basket hat that covered their entire head as they went on pilgrimage.

The theoretical basis of Fuke-shū was to emphasise the concept of the incommunicable aspect of enlightenment, an ideal traced to various Buddhist sects and relayed in paradoxical Zen writings such as the Lankavatara Sutra, the Diamond Sutra and Bodhidharma's "Bloodstream sermon". Thus Fuke monks rarely chanted sutras or other Buddhist texts, but rather relied upon scores of sacred shakuhachi music called honkyoku to express and transmit awakening."

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"The komusō (虚無僧 komusō?, hiragana: こむそう; also romanized komusou or komuso) were a group of Japanese mendicant monks of the Fuke school of Zen Buddhism who flourished during the Edo period of 1600-1868. Komusō were characterized by a straw bascinet (a sedge or reed hood named a tengai or tengui) worn on the head, manifesting the absence of specific ego. They were also known for playing solo pieces on the shakuhachi (a type of Japanese bamboo flute). These pieces, called honkyoku ("original pieces"), were played during a meditative practice called suizen, for alms, as a method of attaining enlightenment, and as a healing modality."

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Regarding Drugs.

Dale Pendell has writing many enchanting books on poison plants and medicinal herbs and the animistic shamanic path.

As a kind of bonding with the environment.

What we consider nutrients today, were poisons that were carefully selected over years of evolution, and now they have become our mode of nutrition. Lactose Intolerance is a key defining racial marker distinguishing the different types.

Isolating benign parts of poisonous plants and trees and herbs have aided in medicines and household cooking. Oils too. Domestication of the wild required exposure and experimentation, obseervation.

The ability to digest ordinary fibres, starch and sugars fueled our metabolic activity.

But we saw the benefits here, and the dangers.

There were recognizable criteria to separate poisons from medicines/nutrients and the dosage.

The I.E. berserker state is commonly attributed to taking 'mead" or some not yet identified psychotropic plant called 'soma' before battle. The transformations of the hero and his victory over undaunting tasks are praised along with praising mead, and soma, etc. Likewise for the oracular powers of the pythia under fumes, that some say are intoxicants.

But this should be kept in context. It was a sacred rite just before battle, to totally unleash all of oneself with no inhibitions, and the daze it provided gave the strength to bear pain in war. This was in the backdrop of a warrior culture, a whole society, not hippies.

It was not done as a recreation or part of a mundane lifestyle that mead/alcohol has become now. Drinking has been normalized within our life.

And yet, not every victory of domesticating nature is necessarily a progress. Nietzsche compared the ruin of Europe to two intoxicants - Xt. and Alcohol that gave "sweet oblivion", speaking for the overall picture, and not just seeing things at the individual level. Likewise Opium for China… and the general Asian lethargy. [N. took pain-relieving opium himself but disliked depending on it].

Likewise developing tolerance and habituation to drugs is not as clear-cut to distinguish it from dependency and addiction. The psychedelic 'loosening' only lets loose what one is, and one is nothing when real experiences of war, struggle, confrontation in life are removed, escaped, substituted with drugs.

Unlocking the unconscious can back-fire, leaving one traumatized or irrecoverably worse. 'Tapping into it' with drugs has so far produced nothing of great genius,, only lowered IQ and increased violence. While skeptics will claim time will tell,
equating drugs to philosophy in the tradition of marxists and cultural marxists who saw in it a potent force to shake loose jaded inhibitions to prepare them for anti-capitalist revolutions,, has caused nothing but detriment. The fallen Xt. patriarchal order loosened by such drugs ansex revolutions only got substituted for non-violent oppression through advertisements [Foucault], etc.

With absent pressures, what is there to loosen now? What inhibitions at do we had now that drugs help?

And with technology, almost very poison plant has been turned consumable or like anesthesia, the miracle drug - where's the organic relation with the environment and how are selections made possible? How do escaping depression and the unplasant by-effects of life with drugs enhance the spirit?

And where are the standards to assess the value of what one "sees" or "hears" during these trips? What is art and what is trash?

To promote it as a lifestyle or some cool rebel factor when nothing has been studied at the general level [what matters the temporary effects it has on individuals?!], is reckless.


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"All that exists is just and unjust and equally justified in both." [Aeschylus, Prometheus]

"The history of everyday is constituted by our habits. ... How have you lived today?" [N.]

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PostSubject: Re: Meditation and Psychedelics Meditation and Psychedelics - Page 2 EmptyTue Oct 04, 2016 8:02 pm

It's important to differentiate between use, mis-use and ab-use..although, of both the drug user and nonuser these become increasingly undifferentiated, primarily because of the close causal relationship of the three..that is, the effects, not just the user, become so, very much in a way, hazy..
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PostSubject: Re: Meditation and Psychedelics Meditation and Psychedelics - Page 2 EmptyFri Oct 14, 2016 2:16 pm

Fixed wrote:
When you take a psychedelic trip, your functionalityobsession of the neurosyste subsides and you see what is also there, and you see value in every single little pattern
you perceiv - infinite awe inspiring power and beauty in every unraveled thread of the carpet
. This is precisely because you see the valuing that is inherent in these patterns…

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That's just ridiculous.

1. No, what we see is our own evaluation and our extent of WTP.

2. Only Xts. Already intoxicated with the hyper-inflated ego of its teachings, have the need for drugs to bring them so down to "see" anything Lucidly at all…

No one except the Xt. and their likes need to "trip" to "really see" the intricacies of patterns in the world…
One walking in a silent forest is so aware of all the minute leaf fall, bird calls, insects, etc.
As Castaneda said, its the mind that needs to stop chattering, to shut down the consciousness; I quote this for the third time here:

Castaneda wrote:
"Inner silence is a peculiar state of being in which thoughts are canceled out and one  can function from a level other than that of daily awareness. Inner silence means the suspension of the internal dialogue. ..and is therefore a state of profound quietude.

The Internal Dialogue

"You think and talk too much. You must stop talking to yourself. You talk to yourself too much. You're not unique at that. Every one of us does that. We carry on an internal talk. We talk about our world. In fact we maintain our world with our internal talk. Whenever we finish talking to ourselves the world is always as it should be. We renew it, we kindle it with life, we uphold it with our internal talk. Not only that, but we also choose our paths as we talk to ourselves. Thus we repeat the same choices over and over until the day that we die, because we keep on repeating the same internal talk over and over until the day we die. A warrior is aware of this and strives to stop his talking."(2,14,263)

"The internal dialogue stops in the same way that it begins: by an act of will. We will ourselves to talk to ourselves. The way to stop talking to ourselves is to use exactly the same method: we must will it, we must intend it. (7,8,137)

One procedure for shutting off the internal dialogue: ...walking for long distances without focusing the eyes on anything. The recommendation was to not look at anything directly but, by slightly crossing the eyes, to keep a peripheral view of everything that presented itself to the eyes. If one kept one's unfocused eyes at a point just above the horizon, it was possible to notice, at once, everything in almost the total 180-degree range in front of one's eyes. (4,1,21) [Also, the fingers on both hands should be slightly curled. (4,12,232)]" [Don Juan]


The Speech born from such inner silence, the shutting off the dialectic/chattering mind is what is the rune Ansuz is.
It is the immediacy of the 'whispering' aspect of nature, where the very word 'rune' gets its name - meaning, 'whisper', 'secret', etc.

Ansuz is a rune of self-confidence born of the immediacy of such inner-silence, that the "speech" automatically has a very 'persuasive' power, 'magical', being born from the depths of our self-clarity.
'Self' here is not the limited self, but the swelling-self… the extent to which it can expand its be-ing, its body into the world…

Enchantments have a persuasive and magical song-like quality owing to the furthest logical Continuity of links they pull one after another, sweeping and gathering the world with them…
And that's the "rush" that lands on you when you chant it out, when you Speak Lucidly…


You can always a distinguish an authentic shaman from a dishonest one, by this fact alone, that a powerful shaman is powerful, *because* he teaches you [like Castaneda at places] how to forego the use of drugs in natural techniques of your body and mind. The shaman is a Fore-goer, fore-going harnesses, to discover the way(s), the routes to develop it from within, an Expansion of one's Kore self.
He doesn't advocate dependencies. The "expansion of consciousness" is a result of this self-discovery, and with it the recovery of the world. We see the necessary con-sequences of power form-alized as its dharma-of-being... and not some conceited effort to promote Love and pacifism realizing "everything is sentient" - this is what drugs meant to the hippie movement.

Even supposing that one did penetrate into understanding the way each thing carries about its own principle, the underlying 'logic' of each pattern, then this could only lead us to realize carrying on our principle. To feel inspired by these 'regularities' or 'rhythms' in nature We perceive.
To not just stop at the relativism of how everything is the way it is from itself,
but Perspectivism - Our gathering the facets of the world into a Ranked perspective of our own. Discrimination that prioritizes one over the other, necessary sacrifices for the overall stability… such an arrangement that exults in Its setting an account of the world… providing it Capable of Providing standards.

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"All that exists is just and unjust and equally justified in both." [Aeschylus, Prometheus]

"The history of everyday is constituted by our habits. ... How have you lived today?" [N.]

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