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PostSubject: Charity and Altruism: Have you ever done this?.....It feeeeeels really good Sun Jul 13, 2014 8:00 pm



the 15 seconds later......... great!
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PostSubject: Re: Charity and Altruism: Have you ever done this?.....It feeeeeels really good Sun Jul 13, 2014 8:12 pm

I can hear the sharpening of blades already...
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PostSubject: Re: Charity and Altruism: Have you ever done this?.....It feeeeeels really good Sun Jul 13, 2014 8:16 pm

Ha! luv ya Erik, you are not just a beautiful face.
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PostSubject: Re: Charity and Altruism: Have you ever done this?.....It feeeeeels really good Sun Jul 13, 2014 8:22 pm

Allemotion I want to tickle the walls of your mouth with my tongue.....

In regards to the original post, no, I haven't done that. I've never had more than 1000 dollars in my bank account at a time. I've never been able to afford anything really.


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PostSubject: Re: Charity and Altruism: Have you ever done this?.....It feeeeeels really good Sun Jul 13, 2014 8:23 pm

I gave 100 dollars to a homeless man once. Felt good - like I was doing the right thing.
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PostSubject: Re: Charity and Altruism: Have you ever done this?.....It feeeeeels really good Sun Jul 13, 2014 8:25 pm

I gotta get with the program, and start accommodating people's greed if i really want to feel good about myself. Gotta make more money. What the hell was i thinking, telling that bum he should get a job?
I'm so ashamed.
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PostSubject: Re: Charity and Altruism: Have you ever done this?.....It feeeeeels really good Sun Jul 13, 2014 8:31 pm

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I gotta get with the program, and start accommodating people's greed if i really want to feel good about myself. Gotta make more money. What the hell was i thinking, telling that bum he should get a job?
I'm so ashamed.
Right on, LOL
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PostSubject: Re: Charity and Altruism: Have you ever done this?.....It feeeeeels really good Sun Jul 13, 2014 8:43 pm

I bet it feels even better when you film it and tell everyone about it. "One small deed can make a difference" right? I wonder what sort of person could think giving some random person $100 is "making a difference" and to top it off, actually feels better about themselves after( and feels truly "generous")... With the fresh glow of "doing the right thing"...I cringe... But I'll stop feeding the troll now...
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Stabbing has commenced.
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PostSubject: Re: Charity and Altruism: Have you ever done this?.....It feeeeeels really good Sun Jul 13, 2014 8:58 pm

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I bet it feels even better when you film it and tell everyone about it.  "One small deed can make a difference" right?  I wonder what sort of person could think giving some random person $100 is "making a difference" and to top it off, actually feels better about themselves after( and feels truly "generous")... With the fresh glow of "doing the right thing"...I cringe... But I'll stop feeding the troll now...

The fact that in this day and age, a two dollar tip wouldn't garner the same level of gratitude from a one hundred dollar bill, speaks of the stupidity of the OP, and the cultural decline that is modernity.

But smiles are good things, what does it matter if it takes $100 to get one or $20,000?

Smiles make you feel good inside. the modern motto: 'If it feels good, do it'.
If a prostitute offers you a blow job, you should not waste one more minute worrying about whether she has Herpes or something worse. A blow job is a good thing, it feels good...just do it!
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PostSubject: Re: Charity and Altruism: Have you ever done this?.....It feeeeeels really good Sun Jul 13, 2014 8:59 pm

Perpetual, you seem like the type of guy that would get pissed off if someone held the door open for you.
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PostSubject: Re: Charity and Altruism: Have you ever done this?.....It feeeeeels really good Sun Jul 13, 2014 9:06 pm

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Perpetual, you seem like the type of guy that would get pissed off if someone held the door open for you.

Why do you say that? Because I don't give in to sentimentality? Because I don't try to win appeal by showing how "caring" I am to the "less fortunate"? What does that have to do with general good manners?
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PostSubject: Re: Charity and Altruism: Have you ever done this?.....It feeeeeels really good Sun Jul 13, 2014 9:12 pm

Holding the door open for someone is, really, unnecessary; people have their own two hands to do that themselves, right? What, the fuck, are they thinking? That one doesn't posses the strength and autonomy to be able to do it by themself? Insulting! Patronizing! How dare they! I cringe.
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PostSubject: Re: Charity and Altruism: Have you ever done this?.....It feeeeeels really good Sun Jul 13, 2014 9:20 pm

I wish I could do this.

Still, there is an element of condescending power in the giver's charity.

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PostSubject: Re: Charity and Altruism: Have you ever done this?.....It feeeeeels really good Sun Jul 13, 2014 9:20 pm

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Holding the door open for someone is, really, unnecessary; people have their own two hands to do that themselves, right? What, the fuck, are they thinking? That one doesn't posses the strength and autonomy to able to do it by themself? Insulting! Patronizing! How dare they! I cringe.

Holding the door for someone is just courtesy. Giving out $100, taping it, and getting high on how generous you are(how you're "paying it forward"), is completely different. Can you see the difference? You can't draw a parallel in terms of helping the weak, because the person you're holding the door for isn't seen as weak in the same way as the homeless person you give the money to.
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PostSubject: Re: Charity and Altruism: Have you ever done this?.....It feeeeeels really good Sun Jul 13, 2014 9:28 pm

It is a very humbling experience, to give to a person, who is in dire need, for whatever reason.

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PostSubject: Re: Charity and Altruism: Have you ever done this?.....It feeeeeels really good Sun Jul 13, 2014 9:33 pm

It's only because you do not understand the dynamic.
The giver presents himself as superior - that's his fix.
He projects himself in the other's position - this is then "humility" - then he gives, implying that he is not.

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PostSubject: Re: Charity and Altruism: Have you ever done this?.....It feeeeeels really good Sun Jul 13, 2014 9:42 pm

That is your opinion.

You ignore a person on the street in need, as you don't wish to acknowledge that this could happen to you....... and it could.

Advice.

Don't go back to Greece to live.


Sometimes, misfortune is out of a person's control.
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PostSubject: Re: Charity and Altruism: Have you ever done this?.....It feeeeeels really good Sun Jul 13, 2014 9:48 pm

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That is your opinion.
That's a very powerful observation.

reasonvemotion wrote:
You ignore a person on the street in need, as you don't to wish to acknowledge that this could happen to you....... and it could.
Is that what I do?
Tell me more about my habits.

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Advice.

Don't go back to Greece to live.


Was I intending to?
Some advice, for your advice:

Never give advice when not asked for it.
It's like a handout...condescending, even if well-meaning.

I know the purification of the ideal is what you need to make it deserving, but I prefer to understand the entirety of the human condition, and not the romantic idealistic, childish parts - the easy parts.

When I give a homeless person money I feel good.
And I do not comfort myself with lies to explain this pleasing feeling, nor do i need to do so to give again.

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PostSubject: Re: Charity and Altruism: Have you ever done this?.....It feeeeeels really good Sun Jul 13, 2014 9:50 pm

Keep your hands in your empty pockets.

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Sometimes, misfortune is out of a person's control.

No response to this, I note.
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PostSubject: Re: Charity and Altruism: Have you ever done this?.....It feeeeeels really good Sun Jul 13, 2014 9:55 pm

And?
So is fortune, sometimes.

One accepts it even if it is not.

And it has nothing to do with what I said.

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PostSubject: Re: Charity and Altruism: Have you ever done this?.....It feeeeeels really good Sun Jul 13, 2014 10:00 pm

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Sometimes, misfortune is out of a person's control.

"Misfortune" in your context, being a reassuring euphemism for the indifference of reality. A bad coincidence is a misfortune; a series of poor choices and bad judgements on the other hand, is simple nature. The projection of "unjust" by labeling it as misfortune is a mind attempting to correct nature by making it into something it is not.
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PostSubject: Re: Charity and Altruism: Have you ever done this?.....It feeeeeels really good Sun Jul 13, 2014 10:09 pm

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Some advice, for your advice:

Never give advice when not asked for it.
It's like a handout...condescending, even if well-meaning.

Are you doing exactly what you advise not to.
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PostSubject: Re: Charity and Altruism: Have you ever done this?.....It feeeeeels really good Sun Jul 13, 2014 10:11 pm

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"Misfortune" in your context, being a reassuring euphemism for the indifference of reality. A bad coincidence is a misfortune; a series of poor choices and bad judgements on the other hand, is simple nature. The projection of "unjust" by labeling it as misfortune is a mind attempting to correct nature by making it into something it is not.

Have you experienced dire misfortune, STARGAZER.  The Avatar says it all.

Outerlimits.


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PostSubject: Re: Charity and Altruism: Have you ever done this?.....It feeeeeels really good Sun Jul 13, 2014 10:11 pm

You are bright.

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PostSubject: Re: Charity and Altruism: Have you ever done this?.....It feeeeeels really good Sun Jul 13, 2014 10:13 pm

Why thank you darlin!

Little ol me had an inkling of such, but I just had to have it said by a big gorgeous hunk such as yourself.
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PostSubject: Re: Charity and Altruism: Have you ever done this?.....It feeeeeels really good Sun Jul 13, 2014 10:35 pm

How did you come across that Youtube video, Reasonvemotion? The guys that run that channel are vulgar PUA's.
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PostSubject: Re: Charity and Altruism: Have you ever done this?.....It feeeeeels really good Sun Jul 13, 2014 11:27 pm

The video was not posted by Rollo.  You may know of Him.  I love what he writes.....

"The fear of loneliness is entirely too exaggerated in modern western romanticism. The popularized fear-mythology of becoming the “lonely old man who never loved” is the new ‘old maid’ myth made popular in an era when a woman’s worth was dependent upon her marital status and (at least now) equally as false a premise. But in our brave new ‘Generation AFC’, men (who’ve become women) are repackaged and shamed into believing this horse-shit as part & parcel of feminized gender role reversal. And thus we get Speed Dating and eHarmony and a host of other “conveniences” to pacify the insecurities that this reversal instills.

I’m going to suggest that most AFCs, most feminized, conditioned males, LIKE and embrace the lonely old man myth because it is a Buffer against potential rejection. Does that sound like a stretch? It shouldn’t. When used from a feminized perspective this myth is most certainly a ‘shaming’ social convention with the latent function of getting men to commit to a feminine frame – “you better change yourself soon, or your soulmate might pass you by and you’ll be lonely and desolate in your old age”. That’s the feminized use of the myth, however, the internalized AFC use of the myth is a Buffer. This then becomes his rationale for settling for a substandard LTR or marriage".

The Rational Male - By Rollo Tomassi

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PostSubject: Re: Charity and Altruism: Have you ever done this?.....It feeeeeels really good Mon Jul 14, 2014 4:21 am

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It is a very humbling experience, to give to a person, who is in dire need, for whatever reason.


Potentially humbling for the receiving party.
How would it be humbling for the giver?

Do you feel less important in the moment you give? That's rationalizing an emotion.
You think that you feel less important because you gave so much. Your mind rationalizes it - 'Well, with this gesture, I demonstrate that I am not any more important than this poorer person.'
NO! You are not doing that at all. You feel good! You feel that this has been the right thing to do. You think that this is good. That you are good. Far from humbling - the opposite.
Sentimentality - having the idea of an emotion.
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PostSubject: Re: Charity and Altruism: Have you ever done this?.....It feeeeeels really good Mon Jul 14, 2014 5:51 am

Notice the racial profile of the two 'givers', both Asian, both from ethnicities that consistently out perform others in the West.

Blacks on the receiving end.
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PostSubject: Re: Charity and Altruism: Have you ever done this?.....It feeeeeels really good Mon Jul 14, 2014 7:24 pm

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It is a very humbling experience, to give to a person, who is in dire need, for whatever reason.


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How would it be humbling for the giver?

An introspective examination of one's self is a long lost discipline, for some.  For the giver, to be humble, is to rightly discern the need for understanding, (of the other).
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PostSubject: Re: Charity and Altruism: Have you ever done this?.....It feeeeeels really good Mon Jul 14, 2014 10:11 pm

The act brings about an overwhelming sensation of philanthropy.

Can help people become more empathetic, even more aware and wise.
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PostSubject: Re: Charity and Altruism: Have you ever done this?.....It feeeeeels really good Mon Jul 14, 2014 11:21 pm

reasonvemotion wrote:

the 15 seconds later......... great!
I'd respect it more if it was not on camera. But for anyone who wants to make this the rule of being good, there is always the Mother Teresa option. Why stop at the occasional 100 bucks? But if someone want to do this or be Mother Teresa, fine. Just don't film it and there's no need to present it as a paragon of goodness. If that is what it is, there is an element of treating those in need like prostitutes. I pay you to feel good about myself (and then present this image of myself to others.)
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PostSubject: Re: Charity and Altruism: Have you ever done this?.....It feeeeeels really good Tue Jul 15, 2014 6:31 am

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even more aware and wise.

Agreed. When I was six we were in an orphanage in SA handing out toys. I only observed the adults doing this, and in the end I noticed one kid got left out because of a lack of toys. Then this sudden urge to resolve it, so I just gave him my watch, something much more valuable than random toys. I had then surpassed all the adults present, by noticing the problem, solving it imaginatively, rewarding the appropriate behaviour of the kid, being more selfless than anyone else in the surrounding eyes and so on. 


Later thinking about it I found that it was entirely a mimicking of behaviour, mostly to do with surroundings. The same kind intuition could result in very bad consequnces. That people could also delude themselves into behaviour that was relativly isolated, but somehow gave gratification to an invisible surrounding and thus themselves as well. I then decided to always think about it, grant my self more autonomy. To give the gifts I wanted to give, with the results I wanted to have. 

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PostSubject: Re: Charity and Altruism: Have you ever done this?.....It feeeeeels really good Tue Jul 15, 2014 7:50 am


The need to purify an act, to deify it, by ignoring all of its elements, is an indication of a desire to remain naive and child-like.

With charity the give and take must also be cleansed of all motives which would soil its divinity.

I would say that in the master/slave dynamic of giver to beggar we have a humility not to the one suffering but to time itself.
The giver, being unable to calculate all circumstances and fearing that his fate might be like the beggars, offers a sacrifice to the invisible forces, and this offering is also meant to ensure that if he does find himself in such a dire predicament that his small investment now will be returned.
Like a prayer.  


And, of course, it feels good, because the giver is gratified by the fact that he is not in this person's position.
His offering is one of excess.
The beggars gratitude is also a reward...and it is expected, as one can see in the videos.

The giver must experience the gratitude of the receiver.
In one of the videos with the waiter, they prepare the stage for the waiter's gratitude...which fails to reach an expected peak.

Nietzsche, Friedrich wrote:
Great indebtedness does not make men grateful, but vengeful; and if a little charity is not forgotten, it turns into a gnawing worm.

If we wish to reinforce a behavior we cannot hide its dynamics, wanting to preserve some desirable facade, at the expense of its entirety.
This is what we do with the emotion of "love", discovering that those who have no understanding of it, and live under the spell of its holy grace are mostly the ones who fail to meet its sanctified criteria.
In an age with so much endless talk about 'love' we witness how loveless and shallow it has become.

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PostSubject: Re: Charity and Altruism: Have you ever done this?.....It feeeeeels really good Tue Jul 15, 2014 8:08 am

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reasonvemotion wrote:

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It is a very humbling experience, to give to a person, who is in dire need, for whatever reason.


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How would it be humbling for the giver?

An introspective examination of one's self is a long lost discipline, for some.  For the giver, to be humble, is to rightly discern the need for understanding, (of the other).

To paraphrase someone -
"The humbleness which becomes conscious of itself, dies."

Someone who thinks he/she is humble isn't actually humble.
Someone is humble in his deeds, in his being;... maybe.
Someone thinking about his humbleness, is not.
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PostSubject: Re: Charity and Altruism: Have you ever done this?.....It feeeeeels really good Tue Jul 15, 2014 9:43 am

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Someone is humble in his deeds, in his being;... maybe.

Like I said.

It is a very humbling experience, to give to a person, who is in dire need, for whatever reason.




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PostSubject: Re: Charity and Altruism: Have you ever done this?.....It feeeeeels really good Tue Jul 15, 2014 10:00 am

Just because.     Wink 
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PostSubject: Re: Charity and Altruism: Have you ever done this?.....It feeeeeels really good Tue Jul 15, 2014 10:02 am

Yea, why go further into this when we can settle upon the sensation, the feeling, and cleanse it of all ulterior motives?

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