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PostSubject: Re: JERUSALEM contra Athens Sat Aug 12, 2017 9:37 am


Philosophy has become ideology, founded on words/symbols with no external references.

A "logical statement" need only be consistent with its original suppositions, and appealing to as many minds as possible.
Philosophy built using metaphors, symbols, that remains self-consistent, and still has no connection to The observed world, or as little as possible without sacrificing its popularity appeal.

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PostSubject: Re: JERUSALEM contra Athens Sat Aug 12, 2017 3:21 pm


As I said.....Nihilism is about language.
Outside language it is nonsense.
It can only achieve control, power, through linguistic games...manipulating words, degrading language altogether, redefining meanings....from connecting to real phenomena, words/symbols reconnect to other abstractions, supported by positive emotions.
They can rearrange paragraphs, put words in different sequences, because they do not want to describe reality, they want to replace it with a word-world, an alternative reality, or make reality a product of the mind, lacking all commonality so as to discredit superior/inferior, useful/useless, rational/irrational.

It all begins in Judaism where the original inversion, that converted shame into a pride, or guilt that could be amended, and was then denied to the masses...remedied by Christianity, which did not go far enough, retaining the concept of God which was still divisive, non-inclusive, so Marxism emerges to correct this problem.

In post-modern Marxism a mind is convinced of what he most wants to believe, that what he sees,. senses, is not real....that there is a deeper alternate reality where nothing observable matters, or, at least, nothing that pertains to the human species.
All that matter is servitude, service to the state, not God, but a state representing Humanity, which is now a ideal, not a definition of species.
The productive type of homo sapient, is now sexless, raceless, lacking appearance...it is theory, concept, which can mean anything, to anyone, if it does not disturb the other's "right" to define it in his/her own way.

Just as all are sinners, victims of divine force, distinguished by their surrender, their faith in God, in Abrahamism, and all are workers, distinguished by production value, loyalty and service to the whole, so is the concept human a uniformity, where differences are superficial and purchasable on the market place.
All is purchasable or a happy mistake of chance.
Since all differ only in upbringing, all can be corrected with upbringing, or proper training - social engineering to correct natural injustices.

Nothing is left of natural selection but superficial illusions.
All phenomena are noumena, represented by symbols/words, and so malleable,, correctable, reparable, recyclable, replaceable - hope is retained.

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PostSubject: Re: JERUSALEM contra Athens Sat Aug 12, 2017 3:54 pm

Corrupting language, as I've also said, is about detaching words used to refer to behavior, to phenomena, to relationships and interactions all can observe, test, perceive, and convert them to ideas in the mind - noumena.
The words have to be 'positive' in an emotional context...like how 'love' was detached form reality, as a behavior observed and evolved to facilitate heterosexual reproduction and then social consecrations, and was converted to a pure idea(l), and then called 'god'.

But the detachment 'liberates' the concept, represented by symbols/words, to be used by every mind to his/her heart's content.
It becomes a free-for-all...another theory, product, on the philosophical, ideological [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]...of private pleasures.
A philosophy to meet any need, to accommodate any desire, to mean anything to anyone at any time...and all are equally valid.

The emotional 'reasoning" goes like this;
If we were all raised to be homosexuals, we would find it normal to have sex with our own gender....and if we were all raised to be Negroes then what makes us Caucasians would disappear, as if the genes would be usurped by the memes...or conversely a black child raised to be Caucasian would not suffer the racial intellectual limitations nor, I assume, be gifted with a higher athletic potential.
In this mindset natural selection is meaningless, or only applies to the body, leaving the mind, as the divine source of noetic purity.
The argument resides in a personal dysfunction. It is the incompetent mind to break free from nonsensical teaching form the father and mother who is a representative of all humanity.
Because the majority of mediocre minds could not think for themselves, or test the ideas presented to them from those they loved and trusted, then this applies to all...because, you see, there is no objective world that would wake-up a child born and raised in such a base environment.
So, if we were all raised to not believe in species, then nobody would ever challenge this, so species would never be a concept we would have or consider.
We would see no differences, or if we did, we would dismiss them as meaningless, as superficial,a s accidental.
Philosophy[y and science would disappear, because nobody would be able to think beyond their upbringing, their social conventions, failing to challenge them.
All philosophy would be deferring to what has already been said, positioning self behind idols, as one positions behind a product, and playing word games hoping to seduce as many followers as possible to feel validated and smart.

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PostSubject: Re: JERUSALEM contra Athens Sat Aug 12, 2017 4:27 pm

Post-modernity or cultural Marxism is the cultural branch of the Judaic trilogy.

-Spiritual Judaism - Orthodox

-Political Judaism - Zionism

-Cultural Judaism - Marxism


The last two splintering off the first, when it came in contact with Rome/Hellenism.
Cross-contamination infected Rome with Christianity.

Judaism is not a uniform whole.
It is splintered.
The original, the first, displays its nihilistic essence openly...the second is trying to become tribal, Semitic....and the third wants to disappear within the host, which is killing it and the host - suicidal.

Weininger and Heisman belong to the last...and both committed suicide.

The only reason we are even discussing Judaism is because it splintered internally, as Zionism and Humanism/Marxism, and ti infected the Pagan west, through Christianity.
Judaism was never a threat or a concern to the Romans, who had conquered many tribes with a variety of beliefs contrary, or differing from paganism.
Jesus and his preaching was not a threat...until Saul twisted his sermon to create a self-contradiction synthesis of selective past of Hellenism and Judaism - Christianity.
The only way to make it viable, and cover up these contradictions he mystified, convoluting the points of conflict with ambiguity and mountains of words...and he offered a sermon of self-imposed compartmentalization, which he called faith, or the sacrifice of reason, of self, to God, in the hope of eternal life....thusly making the believers participants in their won convenient schizophrenia.

Jesus was no Jew...he was a Semite....but not all Semites are Jews. who rebelled against Judaism and its  self-declared choseness, denying the same tricks of salvation, to all slaves, from all tribes across the globe....or across Rome, which was the entire world at the time.
Christianity, as Saul envisioned and created it, offered this self-deceit, this trickery, to the masses - it was spiritual communism.

What did Marx do?
He took away the last divisive part of salvation, god, and changes sinner to worker, and faith to loyalty, and god to State, and Paradise beyond life, to Utopia in an immanent, forever future.
Is it surprising that Communism and the Christian Church were such passionate enemies?
They both coveted the salves....the rabble, the masses, the wronger, weak, sickly, desperate.

Post-Modernity converts this to philosophy.
Words no longer divide...as God is the Word, and the Word is Love.
Words no longer divide either...they offer salvation to all, individually.

With nothing dividing, all is uniform in potential.
All is one...separated by illusions, meaningless words, referring to meaningless concepts...all is the same.
With words all is one....one race, the human race...one sex...any sex, all sex, no sex, all the time with anyone...pleasure being the validation of truth.
The hallelujah and amen.
All that matters is contributing to the one, the whole - God as State.
And He/It shall judge accordingly - productive/non-productive...in agreement-disagreeing/resisting: Good/Evil.

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PostSubject: Re: JERUSALEM contra Athens Sat Aug 12, 2017 5:09 pm

Satyr wrote:

Philosophy has become ideology, founded on words/symbols with no external references.

A "logical statement" need only be consistent with its original suppositions, and appealing to as many minds as possible.
Philosophy built using metaphors, symbols, that remains self-consistent, and still has no connection to The observed world, or as little as possible without sacrificing its popularity appeal.
As uncontroversial as possible. And all participants are considered "equal" in contribution to what is or isn't controversial. So one bad actor that is unaccepting of any conclusion that leads to meaningful action can paralyze the dialogue and also action through continual Cartesian doubt.
This is a way of traitors in the higher rungs of thought in a nation to keep a populace from having cohesive thought or organization.
Every objection that is simply there, must be accounted for so that there is perfect unity of appeal and consistent organization. Every person who comes to the table brings with them a host of presuppositions and experience, which causes some people to appeal to knowledge or premises that others do not have, and it is considered "advancing" the dialectic. The modern Philosopher wants to be knowledgeable in many fields for this reason: to account for these branches of knowledge before they can disrupt his model. 
The assumption all have the others interests in mind and the cultural taboos/intimidations otherwise, all limit the discourse into the path of eternal compromise. The dangerous part is when people start to trust this process that assumes all is supposed to be compromise and then they begin ignoring basic common sense things like the existence of two sexes and the different psychological behavior of each. (Women think liars who flatter them aren't objectifying them by just lying right to their face, but an honest one is objectifying them by not being flattering.)
A nation has to have some uncompromising principles to keep themselves from this paralysis of dialect and action. Treating vocabulary and thought as a sort of existential fluff that can be criticized simply because one doesn't like the conclusions, is sort of what "critical thought" is. The testing away of excess to bring about a certain form (like sculpting). You can judge someone and their desires by what they criticize. Their intentions, if criticizing "race" theory is to sculpt a dialogue where race is not considered - either in the subjects minds or culturally.
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PostSubject: Re: JERUSALEM contra Athens Sat Aug 12, 2017 5:57 pm


Cultural Marxism is the preferred method for secularized Semites now, to merge and disappear within the uniformity of the masses, escaping thir shameful and opressive past.
In effect they abandoned their identity as chosen, by god, to suffer, and merge with a humanity of victims, within which they are but one variation.

Orthodox Jewry opposes them, hoping for Armageddon as the final act of their pathos of suffering, on God's behalf.
For them this is the only acceptable end to thir troubled journey...having been expelled from hundreds of civilizations until they learned to merge and become inconspicuous.

Zionism, having been given a land territory, soil, they cannot be expelled from, in theory, want to become another tribe, while selling the ideal of race-mixing, and open borders to others, which they do not practice themselves.
Zionism is a return to a Semitic past, before Judaism.  

Cultural Marxism lost the Cold War to their Capitalist Zionists, tribal, brethren, but have ascended in effect since the sixties under a new name, using new symbols and labels.
This is typical of all nihilistic idealism...because it is detached from any external standard so it can reinvent itself by simply changing the words and symbols associated with the same emotions and ideals.  
Currently on ILP there are even degenerates attempting to apply the same method to Christianity, changing the names and symbols and merging it with what is antithetical to its spirit, in the only context this can occur - noetically, in the mind, theoretically, where its in-applicability is really not a hindrance, because what it build power upon is popularity, populism.
There is no shame, in this, because shame has been converted to guilt and guilt can be amended, or denied.

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PostSubject: Re: JERUSALEM contra Athens Sat Aug 12, 2017 6:59 pm


There is no well defined plan, no organized conspiracy except for sporadic opportunism which is the modus operandi of cultural Marxism
I've described why no grand conspiracy is not necessary for the spread of this memetic virus...[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].

To illustrate the point... ...why would a parasite condemn itself to death, by killing the host it relies upon?
Because it's in its nature.
The virus would not be a virus if it did not infect and destroy the host it feeds on.

We may trace this back to the essence of Judaism as the chosen to suffer awaiting Armageddon for salvation, for a final end to their suffering.
Whether secular or spiritual, the meme is what it is - a virus that infects a healthy host, like a cancer, and kills it, returning to its ready state of crystallization - words in a book awaiting a mind to infect.
Then the process repeats with a new host.



He speaks of "cognitive dissonance" which is what I mentioned when I described how fArtists are selling garbage, created with no talent, and then marketing them as iof they were works of genius, pressuring the audience to accept their brilliance or risk ridicule or madness when all they see is garbage and nonsense....as is happening ion philosophy.
Cognitive dissonance is also produced when they are told that what looks different, as in race and sex, is really not...as if their senses evolved to fool them and not to aid them in the world.
Cognitive dissonance is part of Nihilistic psychosis, because it offers noetic constructs that contradict the perceived phenomenal world - ideas that contradict experiences.

He also hints at the underlying narcissism and egotism in Nihilism, or post-modernity....it is also present in Christianity where under the guise of pseudo-humility a dogma that declares man deserving of eternal life is preached to a choir of desperation.

"Fragmented and sedated", he says, describing perfectly the common degenerate, who must use narcotics to cope with a reality he promotes and yet claims to embrace.

Collaboration between the left and Islam is about r/type reproductive strategies.


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PostSubject: Re: JERUSALEM contra Athens Sun Aug 13, 2017 8:39 am

I make no intention of belittling Irish heritage for this, but I wonder where there is a Dolores for the Jewish people and the Burnt Offering they made. I recall there being a more profane version, who had her door knocked down and was arrested for it. But, when speaking of "zombies", there seems to be more Jewish ones than Irish. 1933 was 84 years ago from today and 1916 was 78 years ago from production of this song. 



What "crime" did the Irish commit that made their situation so different from genocide? Perhaps that they fought back, and won? That they dared to defend themselves. It must be what makes them so much less worthy of ethnic awareness and preservation, than the Jewish clans.
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PostSubject: Re: JERUSALEM contra Athens Sun Aug 13, 2017 1:09 pm



Gramci quote at 2:30 says it all.
How did the Marxists explain their own errors, based no a naive, childish understanding of the human species, but as a consequence of nurturing, of society, of capitalism.
The Marxist revolution didn't materialize not because they were wrong, but there was something wrong with humanity.
This is indicative of degenerate emoting.
They and their ideology is not in error, but those who fail to fit into it.
Like Christianity explains why its own dogma has failed to produce the ideal pious Christian man.

So, it's all ideology, otherwise they would have to question their own theories.

Lukacs proposes a solution: tear down society, or deconstruct the human, so that nothing is left....bring about the tabuila rasa...by stripping everything, including DNA as identifiers.

Critical Theory...a continuous critique, so as to find weaknesses to exploit.
We see it in practice here on KT.
No creative alternative, only endless critique....trying to infect minds with self-doubt, offering nothing in return...preparing the mind for brainwashing.
The method would make the mind doubt its own senses, priming it for indoctrination - creating a lost, desperate psychotic, that will then grab onto any identifier, any alternative.

An intolerable world had to be deconstructed and then remade to accommodate these sick, vile, specimens of human degradation.
A world inverted to be the opposite, a negative, now called positive.
It attracted the sickly, the slave, the imbecile, the insecure not-wot looking for an escape, to make his shame something to be proud of.
Every worm could now pretend to be a god, declare himself one - the degree of hyperbole reflecting the degree of repressed self-hatred, and insecurity.

Only chemical joy, or a happy ideology, could make existence tolerable to these miserable spirits, who now call themselves overmen, warping the very idea they feel threatened by.

Sex, Drugs, and Rockn'Roll, the legacy of sixties degeneracy.

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PostSubject: Re: JERUSALEM contra Athens Sun Aug 13, 2017 1:53 pm


Now even these degenerates can cheer on Peterson, who is still permitted to speak openly, because Peterson still has to return to his Abrahamic roots, inspired by Jung, where these degenerates feel at home.
The reversion is one of a return to the ongoing battle between two strains of the same memetic virus - Abrahamism and Communism.
Zionism and Marxism.
Peterson fights against the secularization of Abrahamism, because he cannot go back further than when the infection took hold.
He only recently began to notice the symptoms, and decided that things had gone far enough, with this "world view" this away of thinking.  

He, like many others, is now seeing where the "logic" leads.

He's diagnosing a dis-ease, by focusing only on the symptoms.
Like diagnosing cancer by only studying the tumour and coming up with ways to get rid of it.
He, like many others, cannot yet think, or openly discuss, the root of this dis-ease.
The audience is not ready, or he cannot bring himself to go that far, to risk so much, to make his destruction a matter of time.

Ignoring the Frankfurt School, who are these "French pseudo-intellectuals" he speaks of.
Study the individuals he alludes to one at a time, and find the common thread. 
Degeneracy is the word I use.

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PostSubject: Re: JERUSALEM contra Athens Sun Aug 13, 2017 8:24 pm

Satyr wrote:
The Marxist revolution didn't materialize not because they were wrong, but there was something wrong with humanity.
The New Man: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Man_(utopian_concept)

They only need to destroy enough history, like you've mentioned, to make them desperate for becoming the "new man".
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PostSubject: Re: JERUSALEM contra Athens Tue Aug 15, 2017 1:07 pm

The repeating irony:
Jesus was made into an icon for what he rebelled against..and now Nietzsche is made into an icon/idol for what he criticized, and diagnosed as dis-ease.

Each has to have a mediating invertor...a Saul, where the virus metastasizes.

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PostSubject: Re: JERUSALEM contra Athens Thu Aug 24, 2017 2:21 pm



What did the Jews exploit in every other tribe?
Weakness, need, desire, desperation.

They were first hated because they denied their ideology, their inversion noesis, to every other desperate, ill, weak, individual in other tribes.
Then they were despised for taking advantage of them.
usury is the taking advantage of another's need, whereas Paganism is about splurging wealth. where one competes with another over who can waste more excess energies - The spirit of amιla {άμιλλα} or friendly physical competition, athletics/ascetics.
Jews are known for miserly methods - collecting, reserving, and then absolving themselves of the shame, as guilt, in a yearly ritual of self-cleansing.
Christians made it weakly, with a yearly communal festival of self-cleansing of shame, as guilt, which the Muslims also have.

This is why when you meet Jews, especially, who have become atheists, secular Jews, they are shameless. They revel in the freedom from shame/guilt, and indulge in debauchery, physical and mental excess.
Their dominance, in the US, in pop-culture, fantasy, pornography, is this freedom from shame/guilt.
They have nothing left to hold themselves accountable to, other than other humans, the masses, who they feed what they need/desire, and become likable.  
They flatter, shamelessly.
They exploit, shamelessly.
They lie and exploit, shamelessly.
They make money, gain a reputation, fame and fortune because they are willing to do anything, and everything.
When they give up on their own meme, that awaits Armageddon to be saved, they plunge into hedonism, Utopian idealism, or they give up on ideals altogether, dedicating themselves to the physical, and become gifted cynics, dominating the comedy circuit with their insights into cultures they do not belong to.

The Semites are not a different race.
They are Indo-Europeans, a tribe, that invented an invented meme to cope with their lowly place in the hierarchy, ans their inability to preserve a homeland - becoming wanderers, the gypsies of their time.
The meme is Judaism.
It is this meme, this ideology, this dogma, that was denies to the lower classes in other tribes, that made them hateful.
Then it was their ability o do anything to survive, to have no scruples, no principles, that they dealt with with Judaism, that inverted shame into pride - divine salvation.

The Jews were always on the "winning side" because they have no principles other than gain, in relation to "infidels" the goy (cattle), those who are not Jews.
This is how they profited.
They don't care what is right, what is noble, they already know the end is coming, and until then they can live a life of luxury awaiting its coming.

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PostSubject: Re: JERUSALEM contra Athens Thu Aug 24, 2017 3:32 pm



When Washington - what Rome was for Hellenism Washington is for Judaism - decided to join the war, Axis defeat was already determined by Soviet, and Anglo-Saxon, resistance.
This expose the opportunism of American power.
There is no principle worth dying for, there is only profit, wealth, benefit, at no, or minimal, risk/cost.

The US stages a 9/11 (Pearl Harbour) event to justify its late entrance into a war the Soviets had already made a stalemate.
Of course, by then the Jews had declared war on Germany. Before the war ever started there was the six million number floated around.
The 'eternal victims' of nature, had already become the victims of Germany.

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PostSubject: Re: JERUSALEM contra Athens Thu Aug 24, 2017 8:17 pm

Being initiated is a prerequisite to comprehending what nihilists a.k.a. post-modernists are speaking about.
For them the 'truth' is an esoteric secret, you get to understand once you accept the lingo, the logic, the reasoning that proves your faith, your loyalty, your openness to power, god, sanctity, freedom...or any other positive concept.
With no external reference, their only way to convince is to use emotion - psychology.  
Evidence of post-modernism, or nihilism, is any ideology or negation of an ideology, that have no external references, no definitions based no a shared world.
It's all in the mind, where only emotion, personal experiences, subjectivity, has an effect.

You cannot contradict Nihilism because there is no common ground. It's all theoretical, idealistic, word-based...self-referential.
it has defined words, and the concepts associated with them, using a ideological presupposition, and not an external phenomena where all can test and validate their assertions.

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PostSubject: Re: JERUSALEM contra Athens Wed Sep 13, 2017 10:50 am

As I've said before....the breaking down and reinventing the family, is a method used to detach children from competing traditions, to prepare them for a n easier tradition into nihilistic uniformity.

Eliminating the father figure, as the ideal leader of the family, representing a shared past, is necessary for the children, he may produce, to be assimilated in a system of no shared pasts - a heterogeneous system cannot tolerate the competing entity of a father.
In Judaism this is reflected in its matrilineal inheritance of identity.
In Modernity it is reflect in the continuous slandering of masculinity, the destruction and reinvention of the family unit.
How else could it hope to integrate into a uniformity heterogeneous population groups?

Any meme connected to genes, is to be destroyed, and then replaced with a nihilistic meme that connects to an ideology, a dogma, a noetic abstraction with as little connection to world as possible.
Everything organic reduced to a pulp, a digested slosh - critical theory.

How do you assimilate different peoples into a uniform table whole?
By eliminating the father, as connection to an undesirable past, and then directing the lost child to alternate identifiers, institutionalized memes, where all can be integrated if they serve, and obey, and repeat the common ideology.

The US is the land of infinite possibilities = chaos.
Divorce rates are skyrocketing, because marriages are to be broken, and rebuilt - remixing, change....where everything is lost and then rediscovered in popularity, populism, marketing.
The father is not a representative of a shared past, if he is present at all, but a surrogate mother, only doing what the State has concluded is necessary to produce the ideal citizen.  
A shared, common idea(l)....that has no reference to anything real.
Take the idea(l) of "freedom" uniting the heterogeneity of meting pot America.
There is no freedom beyond the mind. All is contingent, a manifestation of past.
Freedom form what?

In most cases all it implies is the liberty, the right, to consume, and to identify with whatever you want.
If you got the money, honey, we've got your dis-ease....in the jungle.

Take the father out of the [picture, leaving a mother who, with typical femininity, will adapt to anything, and adopt any ideology in power, to facilitate her reproductive role, and then you replace the missing father with a concept: State, God, Ideology, Dogma.....MEME.
Take away the genetic connector to a immutable past, and then manipulate, exploit, control, the lost, and desperate for direction, for a substance they can feel as a void in themselves, for a connection to the world, only you can now give them disconnection as a goal, medicating them when the "liberation", from reality, eventually results in neurosis.

Take symbols/words, detach them from an undesirable, unflattering, threatening, stressful world, or exploit the missing connection, to then instructed re-connections to nihilistic memes: void of substance, references to reality, useless outside human brains and inter-relating brains, and slave them to these ideological, theoretical, connections.
Would not such lost minds seek validation, seek identification, self-esteem in, and through, others?
Would not his/her world be a human, all too human, world, and nothing more than that?
Would not all participants use others to validate and reinforce their shared psychosis, measuring themselves and their beliefs using popularity, a majority vote, how well they sell, how appealing they can become to others?
Would not all symbols/words become methods of integrating and assimilating self into otherness?
Would not 'power' only mean 'power over others', through and in others?

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PostSubject: Re: JERUSALEM contra Athens Mon Sep 18, 2017 12:34 pm

A doctor lacks the patient's profound understanding of the illness he studies and understands pragmatically, in his fight to contain and heal, so as to prevent its spread, mainly to himself.
a patient lacks the doctor's objective comprehensions of a dis-ease he is passionately involved with, in a fight of life and death, and may built upon his lack using the doctor's experiences, offering cold insights.

But what of a people who intentionally made themselves ill to cope with health that they found too burdensome and too difficult to sustain?
What if they used illness as an excuse, a weapon against the healthy, when they found they could not compete?
What of the intentional patient, that then wants to spread his illness to all, so as to disappear as the one who purposefully made himself sick, and after doing so wanted to reinvent health to mean to be intentionally, willfully, ill?
What of the self-induced illness pleading for sympathy, as a means of attaining and overcoming health?

Recovering Jews offer the most profound insights of a mental dis-ease their own kind fabricated.
It would be intolerably rude to hear of it from those who were never ill, or never made themselves ill, speaking coldly, pragmatically about a dis-ease only the sick, and the recovering can have a profound understanding of.

And so Freud gives us his illness, and Wittgenstein his own, and Spinoza, and Marx, after Jesus, and in modern times who dominates in exposing the spiritual variant of what has been recovering as secular, but members of the self-inflicted, now re-covering.
Latest contributor, to come to my awareness..Ernest Gellner, exposing Wittgenstein's sickness, as only a fellow Jew can, or can be permitted such insulting provocative
insights into language games, and how words are now in the service of the same dis-ease.
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Works:
The Devil in Modern Philosophy
Words and Things - A critical account of Linguistic Philosophy and a study in Ideology

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