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PostSubject: Re: Rape Thu Nov 20, 2014 4:37 pm

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Are you a pagan/i.E.?

I subscribe to ideologies that ensure my survival and enjoyment of life, while trying not to harm anyone else spiritually or otherwise.

How do you expect real heroism and heroic cultures without factoring in pain and suffering?

Who's your hero, if any?

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PostSubject: Re: Rape Thu Nov 20, 2014 4:41 pm

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Having listened to humans for almost half a century, I can safely say that in comparison to them I am a fuckin EXPERT!!!!
That's the spirit! Very Happy

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Experts on excerpts...
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PostSubject: Re: Rape Thu Nov 20, 2014 4:42 pm

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Above all the power of instinct that runs like a current beneath us and is rarely tapped. The ambition to be the hero.
We have no leaders. We have only politicians.  They are not the same thing.


Every culture has its own kind of hero.

What kind of hero/heroic ideal is yours?  What do you stand for?

A hero is a man who's actions (not just ideologies) inspire, lead, promote and otherwise ensure our livelihood. He is someone with the presence and command to stir up respect, loyalty and allegiance to him in his family, business and community life. He is the one artists paint, on who writers write books and poetry and philosophers hold debates about. He is someone people remember as a powerful influence.

As for me, I am woman. I get the distinct pleasure of being with a man who holds that kind of power. He tends to be more lustful, more trustworthy, and more reliable than any other kind of man. I also respect him as I am also respected for who I am and what my role is and treated like the woman I am because of it.
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PostSubject: Re: Rape Thu Nov 20, 2014 4:53 pm

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How do you expect real heroism and heroic cultures without factoring in pain and suffering?

Who's your hero, if any?  

There is no existence without suffering. It's not possible in any species, we can only hope to do the least amount of harm. There will always be people who suffer, but the goal of a hero is to champion that which causes the least amount and still provides for the people who follow him. It should be the goal of the weak to be a hero, to fight his way to the top so that he has less suffering.  Struggle makes a better man.

In short, you can't expect life without suffering at any level.

If we build a house and many of the bricks are weaker than the others, what happens to that house when it ages?  Despite the strength of the better bricks, the whole thing will topple regardless of how the stronger bricks hold together.

As to your question about my hero.  My hero is the man who leads his family and community honestly. I married the closest hero I could find to that ideal, but we all have flaws.  This one has the least amount of flaws that might weaken him as a man.


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PostSubject: Re: Rape Thu Nov 20, 2014 5:01 pm

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It's currently only metaphysical and based on the logical application to ontological and epistemological fundaments, such as the fact that there is no nothing with which to divide existence, therefore it is continuous. The "subject" is only ever conceivable as the object of conception, and therefore contradicts itself as a concept, and thus its relative opposite "the object" simultaneously loses its relative meaning. Thus in order to impose (as a "subject") an understanding of existence in discrete terms is fundamentally illogical, and one must draw upon other values with which to construct a reality. From this basis, it is then possible to evaluate these different value sets and all the truths that may subsequently emerge.
I propose "experience" as the fundamental substance of existence: the concrete complement to the abstract term. Thus I have titled it "Experientialism" - a play on the synthesis of Existentialism and Essentialism, from which it draws in equal measure.

Is this related to process philosophy? By substance, you mean units of experience?

And regressing this a little, it would mean a belief in the presence of an intelligence/design/consciousness, although I get it, not of the mind-body kind... mind itself as a proto-'experience'?  


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I would class them as musicians, though not in the instrumental sense but in the Dionysian sense - and with "music" in terms of its derivation from "the Muses". They are a direct agent unto their emotions with any societal facade maximally transparent. Of course there is a degree of Apollonian order to their being, but if I'm honest it's never particularly advanced - though I've not met any where it is.

How does Apollonian order manifest here? - musical sensibility?  

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PostSubject: Re: Rape Thu Nov 20, 2014 5:14 pm

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A hero is a man who's actions (not just ideologies) inspire, lead, promote and otherwise ensure our livelihood.

Ah...not a thinker, but a doer.
Thinking not being an action.

More Napoleon than Goethe.  


Arditezza wrote:
He is someone with the presence and command to stir up respect, loyalty and allegiance to him in his family, business and community life.

So, more inherited charisma than awareness as charisma.


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 He is the one artists paint, on who writers write books and poetry and philosophers hold debates about.  He is someone people remember as a powerful influence.

The total, ideal, package....artist, thinker, doer, warrior, charismatic, tall, dark, handsome, muscular, big dick, good lover, caring, sensitive, humorous...

Would you like a "leap over tall buildings" or can you live without that?

While we're at menus...and you?
What, the fuck, have you to offer that is comparable?
Your twat?
A gaping hole, willing and open for service?

HA!!!


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As for me, I am woman. I get the distinct pleasure of being with a man who holds that kind of power.  He tends to be more lustful, more trustworthy, and more reliable than any other kind of man.  I also respect him as I am also respected for who I am and what my role is and treated like the woman I am because of it.

Know what I want, right now?
A nice, cold, vanilla milkshake...and a gun.
I'm thinking of blowing my brains out.
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PostSubject: Re: Rape Thu Nov 20, 2014 5:25 pm

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Ah...not a thinker, but a doer.
Thinking not being an action.

More Napoleon than Goethe.  

Goethe wrote. That is an action.

There are plenty of men who think and do not write. Do not open themselves up for debate and/or inspiration. Goethe is as much of a hero as Napoleon and just as flawed. I'm not looking for not flawed. I already stated that.

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So, more inherited charisma than awareness as charisma.

No a man knows when he is leading. He inspires himself and that charisma shines through. It is not inherited, but earned through careful consideration as to how to move people to be just as inspired.

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The total, ideal, package....artist, thinker, doer, warrior, charismatic, tall, dark, handsome, muscular, big dick, good lover, caring, sensitive, humorous...

Would you like a "leap over tall buildings" or can you live without that?

While we're at menus...and you?
What, the fuck, have you to offer that is comparable?
Your twat?
A gaping hole, willing and open for service?

HA!!!

Not all those things at once, nor in one package. As I have said, all men have short comings, all men have areas in which they excel. The world doesn't need one hero. It needs many of them.

And not just my twat, but it's ability to provide him offspring that he can bring up to be inspired men or women in their own right. To show them that grabbing the brass ring is a noble intention, not one they should be ashamed of. I am particularly good at it, I gave him not one but two sons.

But he also respects me for my own personal strength of character. My ability to keep pace with him on debate topics and my thirst for knowledge. But what he admires most is my compassion for others that drives me to care lovingly for my family and my community members.

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Know what I want, right now?
A nice, cold, vanilla milkshake.

Milkshakes are loaded with calories and fat.
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PostSubject: Re: Rape Thu Nov 20, 2014 5:30 pm

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Goethe wrote. That is an action.  

Ah, so thinking and writing it down IS an action.
I gotcha.


Arditezza wrote:
No a man knows when he is leading.  He inspires himself and that charisma shines through.  It is not inherited, but earned through careful consideration as to how to move people to be just as inspired.


I see.
Intriguing.


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And not just my twat, but it's ability to provide him offspring that he can bring up to be inspired men or women in their own right.  To show them that grabbing the brass ring is a noble intention, not one they should be ashamed of.  I am particularly good at it, I gave him not one but two sons.
 

You married a "hero"?!

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PostSubject: Re: Rape Thu Nov 20, 2014 5:33 pm

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You married a "hero"?!

Measured against most men, I would say yes.

Are you not someone who inspires others, who has a distinct loyal following, and one who has a wife and child who you lead?

Would they not say the same of you? If not, why not?

Ask your followers.
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PostSubject: Re: Rape Thu Nov 20, 2014 5:34 pm

Good.

I'm only interested in your values.

Christian?

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PostSubject: Re: Rape Thu Nov 20, 2014 5:35 pm

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Christian?

Don't insult me.

Religion is a corrupt form of paternalism and just as detestable.
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PostSubject: Re: Rape Thu Nov 20, 2014 5:37 pm

Niiice...

Carry on.

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PostSubject: Re: Rape Thu Nov 20, 2014 5:43 pm

We've had all these conversations before, dear. On many different fora as many different names. Wanderer, Satyr, et al.

Doesn't matter if it's sciforums, ILP, Philosophy forums. We've always been mostly on the same page.
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PostSubject: Re: Rape Thu Nov 20, 2014 5:45 pm

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Is this related to process philosophy? By substance, you mean units of experience?

The primary stage, the establishment of the foundation of continuous experience is not process philosophy. Herein lies the connection with Essentialism. The secondary stage is indeed related to process philosophy, well spotted. Though process philosophy requires a base in order to stand up by itself, and that is what I have provided for it - along with a specific position from which to begin its process.

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And regressing this a little, it would mean a belief in the presence of an intelligence/design/consciousness, although I get it, not of the mind-body kind... mind itself as a proto-'experience'?

Not so much intelligence nor design, but consciousness yes. If you are familiar with him, George Berkeley has been a significant influence in opposition to the traditionally materialistic worldview. I believe that the human understanding of existence precludes the human ability to refer to and conceive of existence. I'm impressed that you seem to get it, I'm hoping that by your inverted commas you mean experience as one commonly understands it today. There is an understanding amongst others that differs from this: that of experience as "one" but also "zero" (because if the whole is "1", there are no relative comparisons from which to grant intellectual meaning - there "just is"). Continuous experience has no boundaries until they are imposed, and it is literally the simplest thing to realise. And from then, by all means impose!

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I would class them as musicians, though not in the instrumental sense but in the Dionysian sense - and with "music" in terms of its derivation from "the Muses". They are a direct agent unto their emotions with any societal facade maximally transparent. Of course there is a degree of Apollonian order to their being, but if I'm honest it's never particularly advanced - though I've not met any where it is.

How does Apollonian order manifest here? - musical sensibility?

If by sensibility you mean sensitivity, then they have a great deal. Making sense however, that has never been their "forte". The jury is out on such musical sensibility - I was in a relationship with a woman who literally knows a great deal about music, but she lacked significant emotive connection, which was ultimately deeply unattractive. But aside from literal music, I know women who are musical in their mannerisms and self-expression, which is far more precious.

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This is a Feminism thread, are you a Feminist?
Are you?
No.

You ask a lot of questions. I wonder if you are simply curious and rational, or perhaps do not have much to say about yourself.

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I'll be doing the selecting ; )

What do you select?
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PostSubject: Re: Rape Thu Nov 20, 2014 5:52 pm

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No.

You ask a lot of questions. I wonder if you are simply curious and rational, or perhaps do not have much to say about yourself.

She seems to ask a lot of questions so she better understands where you are coming from because there is either not enough information or you are being muddled/obtuse or otherwise nonsensical. That skill of asking questions to get clarification is a great strength, not a weakness or a personal defect.

Maybe if you listen and learn to ask questions, you can form a better argument and get better results from the debate. She's asking them more for your benefit than hers, I think. That way you can both learn.


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PostSubject: Re: Rape Thu Nov 20, 2014 6:00 pm

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She seems to ask a lot of questions so she better understands where you are coming from because there is either not enough information or you are being muddled/obtuse or otherwise nonsensical. That skill of asking questions to get clarification is a great strength, not a weakness or a personal defect.

Maybe if you listen and learn to ask questions, you can form a better argument and get better results from the debate. She's asking them more for your benefit than hers, I think. That way you can both learn.

If so then my apologies! She need only say.

Perhaps you are reared up on account of contributing to this inhospitable forum. They're a lot tamer than you think once you learn their behaviours. I entirely agree with questions as a personal strength, and also answers as a personal strength. I entirely welcome questions for my benefit as well as the questioner's. I feel flat if I am not progressing, and moreso if others around me are not also.
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PostSubject: Re: Rape Thu Nov 20, 2014 6:05 pm

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Perhaps you are reared up on account of contributing to this inhospitable forum. They're a lot tamer than you think once you learn their behaviours.

Translation:
They are not as I first thought, and many others still think.
If you do not declare yourself a "genius", with a high IQ, begging to have your arse ripped apart, and you are not a moron modern nihilist, thinking that you make sense and that you know what you are talking about, and if you remain honest, you will be tolerated.

If not....you best go away.
It will not be pretty.

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PostSubject: Re: Rape Thu Nov 20, 2014 6:09 pm

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Translation:
They are not as I first thought, and many others still think.
If you do not declare yourself a "genius", with a high IQ, begging to have your arse ripped apart, and you remain honest, you will be tolerated.

If not....you best go away.
It will not be pretty.

Dude, I've known you guys for far longer than you would like to admit. I can't care to be tolerated or otherwise, I'm here to gain what I wonder that I might gain, if anything. Sometimes I'm wrong. But my ass will be fine, thanks for caring.


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PostSubject: Re: Rape Thu Nov 20, 2014 6:10 pm

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Arditezza wrote:
She seems to ask a lot of questions so she better understands where you are coming from because there is either not enough information or you are being muddled/obtuse or otherwise nonsensical. That skill of asking questions to get clarification is a great strength, not a weakness or a personal defect.

Maybe if you listen and learn to ask questions, you can form a better argument and get better results from the debate. She's asking them more for your benefit than hers, I think. That way you can both learn.

If so then my apologies! She need only say.

Perhaps you are reared up on account of contributing to this inhospitable forum. They're a lot tamer than you think once you learn their behaviours. I entirely agree with questions as a personal strength, and also answers as a personal strength. I entirely welcome questions for my benefit as well as the questioner's. I feel flat if I am not progressing, and moreso if others around me are not also.

A misunderstanding I think. I came here precisely because they are inhospitable and aggressive. It's a sign of a greater intelligence and intellectual honesty. How else does one question their morals and virtues to whittle out the crap and get on more solid ground? I wish I had come here sooner.
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PostSubject: Re: Rape Thu Nov 20, 2014 6:14 pm

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Perhaps you are reared up on account of contributing to this inhospitable forum. They're a lot tamer than you think once you learn their behaviours. I entirely agree with questions as a personal strength, and also answers as a personal strength. I entirely welcome questions for my benefit as well as the questioner's. I feel flat if I am not progressing, and moreso if others around me are not also.

A misunderstanding I think.  I came here precisely because they are inhospitable and aggressive.  It's a sign of a greater intelligence and intellectual honesty. How else does one question their morals and virtues to whittle out the crap and get on more solid ground?  I wish I had come here sooner.

And you stayed in sciforums?
For how long?

After the fag Paul took over, that place went to the toilet.
He's a brain-dead, fag....full of post-modern, politically-correct, mythological needs.
A forum reflects its administrator.

Look at ILP: a den of dimwits.
Is Carleas any better?

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PostSubject: Re: Rape Thu Nov 20, 2014 6:16 pm

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A misunderstanding I think.  I came here precisely because they are inhospitable and aggressive.  It's a sign of a greater intelligence and intellectual honesty. How else does one question their morals and virtues to whittle out the crap and get on more solid ground?  I wish I had come here sooner.

Oh absolutely. As soon as you have only enough energy to mix with those who agree with you, the sooner you are intellectually dead.

But intelligence is indicated through more than just voracious confrontation. Honesty though, yes - to relish and productively respond to intellectual diversity is intellectual life! You will most certainly meet confrontation here, and in some cases prosper. I hope you find what you are looking for.
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PostSubject: Re: Rape Thu Nov 20, 2014 6:21 pm

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And you stayed in sciforums?
For how long?

After the fag Paul took over, that place went to the toilet.
He's a brain-dead, fag....full of post-modern, politically-correct, mythological needs.
A forum reflects its administrator.

Look at ILP: a den of dimwits.
Is Carleas any better?

I'm not sure if I ever joined sciforums.
I've not posted in ILP for 11 months.

I'm sorry you didn't get what you needed from those guys, but yes, a forum reflects its administrator. I've revisited here - perhaps that means something? Perhaps not.
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PostSubject: Re: Rape Thu Nov 20, 2014 6:26 pm

Get what?

I went there to find specimens.
I found exactly that.
I wanted to toy with the bugs.
The big-daddy didn't want me to.

I was expected to take the abuse, but not respond.
They thought I was some nerd, who would shirk away from conflict when they dished it out...then they realized I was Satyr, a differenrt creature...and I could ripped them to shreds. Then they went running to the admin, who was more than happy to use it as an excuse to humble me...and slap their wrists.

Back, before Paul took over sciforums, that place was a blast.
After that brain-dead, fag, took over...it became, like him, dull, stupid, and average.


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PostSubject: Re: Rape Thu Nov 20, 2014 6:30 pm

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My bad, so you did. Though I took "at will" to mean whenever they feel like it - so I thought it was relevant to point out that they probably wouldn't feel like it any more or less if the law was changed or removed. As I understand it, rape is an irrational compulsion - not one that can be calculated with all the risks weighed up. If it happens, it would have happened regardless of law. Unlike with murder, sexual arousal isn't something you plan - you can kill without relying on any biological processes.

But if you were in fact meaning "wanting to rape" when you said "raping at will" then like I said, the law isn't even a factor if the desire is there. If someone is already committed to the act through wanting it, the law won't stop them, only the intended victim and/or any other parties that might be against the idea.

Murder can also be an irrational compulsion, in the cases of crimes of passion/rage. The law understands that sometimes our animal selves may take control of us for a moment and cause things that we would otherwise prefer not to do, and applies an amount of leniency to the punishment, as it clears the accused of the aggravating aspect of criminal intent or premeditation. Naturally those situations are very difficult to prove in a court, but sometimes they are obvious enough to grant a not guilty verdict.

Interestingly, the law does not seem to give equal weigh to being sexually teased as an excuse for temporary insanity as it does to having suffered a great injustice/loss of honor.
It also seems to understand that rape is less about sexual arousal than it is about teaching a woman a lesson. I'll leave that to the scholars, or to those to whom violence comes more naturally than it does to me.

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Concerning provocation, I stand by the sense that I make of female behaviour, which is that they often want to provoke the male response ONLY up to but not including touching and interfering, including the use of threatening words or actions. On the occasions where they have not been able to appropriate their provocation in line with the male's restraint, then yes they have been naive, but no they did not have it comin' nor did they want it (highly retarded / a deliberate troll for Satyr to imply otherwise).

You can call me troll or retarded if you wish to, but I think that such naiveté is reckless, and reckless actions bare consequences. That is not to say that they deserve to be raped, or that raping reckless women is ok, but it is important for people to know that it is best to not be in a dangerous situation at all than to be in one expecting that someone or something will protect them.

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Nietzsche gets a bad name from all the people who take his words flatteringly, justifying their "ressentiment" as wanting to take a philosophical hammer to the world and create new tables in line with their own "noble" values. Plenty of that here.

Indeed, and nice choice of words, tehehe.
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Back, before Paul took over sciforums, that place was a blast.

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PostSubject: Re: Rape Thu Nov 20, 2014 6:33 pm

Right...James R.
Have you seen him?
No need...he looks exactly like he sounds.

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PostSubject: Re: Rape Thu Nov 20, 2014 6:38 pm

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And you stayed in sciforums?
For how long?

After the fag Paul took over, that place went to the toilet.
He's a brain-dead, fag....full of post-modern, politically-correct, mythological needs.
A forum reflects its administrator.

Look at ILP: a den of dimwits.
Is Carleas any better?

Stay is the wrong term. I visited from time to time to test theories but found almost no answers save for a few posts from a very select few.

I don't know whether I would call Paul names as I generally don't pick on the weak, but the general practice of only supporting regurgitated force-fed Kantian misinterpretations got old quick. Outlaws were to be hung and deviant thinkers hooded and shipped to Cuba. Bleh.

My stays at ILP and Sciforums have all been temporary and infrequent.  I was banned from one of them for standing up to Porfiry.

As for JamesR. He's not a bad poster, but as a mod I think he's in a bad position. There would have to be a gutting of everything and nearly everyone to make that forum reasonably good. He's had a few posts that have made me think about things, but as a mod he abuses power too much.


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PostSubject: Re: Rape Thu Nov 20, 2014 6:39 pm

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Back, before Paul took over sciforums, that place was a blast.
After that brain-dead, fag, took over...it became, like him, dull, stupid, and average.

Sounds like a shame. A familiar shame that rings true in more than just forums, if your interests span to those areas as I'm sure they do to some extent.

This is devolution (not in the sense of anti-evolution, but devolving responsibility to smaller units). What do you think about that prospect? I am in favour so long as strong people push their own agenda to counter the dull status quo, even if it remains only minor in its presence. That seems to me to be democracy in action.

I don't think you're developing if you're merely trying to find confirmations to your current beliefs - not to say that they ought to change. But how are you supposed to improve if you are only out there to find more of the same? Unless of course you only aim to teach a static vision. If it's a good vision then good - so long as good is *that* good. Ripping to shreds is indispensibly important and I would never take that away from you - perhaps that retains more importance than I might impulsively grant.
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PostSubject: Re: Rape Thu Nov 20, 2014 6:51 pm

My motive is to seed minds with idea(l)s that contradict the present Judeo-Christian, secular humanist, Marxist, Liberal, dis-eased nihilism.

I am conducting a [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], and, outside of that, I am raising my son, and having fun reading, writing, exercising, cooking, staring into space, pleasuring myself, and enjoying nature.
The rest is meaningless drivel.

If I lower myself to the level of those I combat it is because I know that to fight against a foe - a brain-less, needy, desperate, zombie one, in this case - you must get into the mud, with the feces, where swine live, hoping to find some gem in the slop.
My style, as Satyr, is adapted for this work.
I've been called this, and that, and the other thing.
Do you know how many times I've been declared defeated, by every Tom, Dick and Harry out there?
Dozens.
And, after every time, they come looking....pretending to not be interested.
It's a joke.
Who, the fuck, cares?
I deal in ideas and ideals.
I fight to preserve Indo-European Aryanism.  

True, that seeding involves chance.
You cast the seeds to the wind, and you do not know what shit it will fall upon.
From time to time, and more often than not, I attract the  clueless fanatic; the man-child with no daddy looking for something to guide him; the motherly female who comes here to save my soul; the desperate boy wanting a direction to find happiness, and a girl to fuck... and so on...

But that's to be expected.
A writer's work has a life of its own when he finishes it and publishes it, making it accessible to every sick fuck, out there.

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PostSubject: Re: Rape Thu Nov 20, 2014 7:07 pm

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My motive is to seed minds with idea(l)s that contradict the present Judeo-Christian, secular humanist, Marxist, Liberal, dis-eased nihilism.

I am conducting a War Like No Other, and, outside of that, I am raising my son, and having fun reading, writing, exercising, and enjoying nature.

*applause* Whilst some of that is potentially a learning experience, do you see it that way? Clearly you see yourself as a teacher with an aggressive sort of style, but what do you do to challenge yourself (as differentiable from feeling the challenge of teachership)?

Definitely one needs to immerse oneself back into the dirt from which one has periodically withdrawn in order to clear one's thoughts, and in doing so one will suffer the flecks that splatter back. But to come back the same each time?

I am a secular Humanist, Marxist and Liberal. Perhaps within the terms of the topic of Feminism, what would you teach to me?
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PostSubject: Re: Rape Thu Nov 20, 2014 7:10 pm

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Is there some part you disagree with in his saying rape is devastating to a woman as it takes away her natural selective role? Of course it does harm in leaving her to deal with the procreated consequences of it.

He specifically said, verbatim, rape to women is not devastating.

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I don't approve of rape as some path or philosophical ideology as you know from my comment to the clown,, "might is right" - rape, plunder, pillage has occured throughout pagan pre-moral history; but that only exhibits the essence of a male, and not a man.

Do you disagree that the strong are entitled by nature to impose their will?

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Higher the discrimination and development of personhood, then monogamy emerges as a discriminate choice.


Is that not domestication?

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As I've already said elsewhere, rape and plunder have occured among the Vikings, for example, but these were Male excursions, not Manly ones.
When you rape a female, you only exhibit you are a Male [a distinction even animals have],, you don't prove you are a Man, an individual with a personality.

Are they not still noble, so long as they feel as though these actions honor them?

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These transgressions too were in the perspective women were seen by the Vikings as wealth like cattle or goddesses to be appropriated as proper-ty, not powerless f--- toys like in today's times. There was a difference between then and now, in I.E. history anyway.

Does that distinction have, in your opinion, a practical effect on women?
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PostSubject: Re: Rape Thu Nov 20, 2014 7:14 pm

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*applause* Whilst some of that is potentially a learning experience, do you see it that way? Clearly you see yourself as a teacher with an aggressive sort of style, but what do you do to challenge yourself (as differentiable from feeling the challenge of teachership)?

I read.
I used to come on-line to test my views and found nothnig more than what I find out there, in my "real life".
Not challenging at all.
You can't challenge reality, or a theory about the world, with emotions and fantasies.
I gave it up.
Too much work, for very little return.

Now, I let those who agree with me do the arguing for me.
I let my essays do the talking for me.
And here you are.


Imbesil wrote:
Definitely one needs to immerse oneself back into the dirt from which one has periodically withdrawn in order to clear one's thoughts, and in doing so one will suffer the flecks that splatter back. But to come back the same each time?

Constitution...if you know who you are, no mud can cover your humanity.

Tarzan, amongst the apes, does not convince himself that he is an ape, like them.
They may consider him ugly, a hairless freak, weak, because they are ten times stronger and can swing from the branches like he can't, and he may imitate them, and hoot and holler, and thump his chest....but he still remains above them....being human.

He CAN convincingly pretend to be like them....they cannot convincingly pretend to be like him.


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I am a secular Humanist, Marxist and Liberal. Perhaps within the terms of the topic of Feminism, what would you teach to me?

You go through the threads posted...and if Lyssa cannot help you....we'll see.
I do not really want to teach you a thing.
I only show you what has been there all along.  


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When the student is ready the teacher will appear.

This half-goat is fatigued...

Ta, Ta,

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PostSubject: Re: Rape Thu Nov 20, 2014 7:29 pm

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Nietzsche gets a bad name from all the people who take his words flatteringly, justifying their "ressentiment" as wanting to take a philosophical hammer to the world and create new tables in line with their own "noble" values. Plenty of that here.

Indeed, and nice choice of words, tehehe.

Why is that funny? What is a Nietzschean?
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PostSubject: Re: Rape Thu Nov 20, 2014 8:28 pm

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And lets not forget, Satyr also said this part, which I agree with:

Satyr wrote:
"That a man would stoop to the level of considering rape, has to do with the omega-male psychology, in a world returning to primal sexual discourses due to the liberation of female sexuality.

It also has to do with genetic pollutions accumulated due to centuries of un-culled reproduction amongst homo, so called, sapients.
It's because females have a sexual choice that leaves 80% of males out of the game, seeking for ways to become participants (playas), to be included in the gene-pool possibilities.
It explains why the two sexes evolved different psychological predispositions, and why emotions, such as lust/love evolve to deal with the fight/flight mechanism so as to make heterosexual reproduction possible.
Modern morons do not want to go all the way...they want to go only as far as their emotional needs are met.
Even a consensual surrender to a male, by a female, is fraught with intrusions and violating spaces.
The act of fucking is full of aggressive displays, such as sucking, biting, scratching, penetrating...and so on.  
Of course a healthy man would never rape a woman...but in this feminized world the concept of "health" has also bee overturned.
Liberals defend the very principles that then result in undesirable, to them, circumstances, and then they try to flee from the responsibility of their own stupidity by blaming the other, by expecting the other to correct it for them.
In this case female sexual emancipation has as a collateral effect the increasing numbers of males with no social investment, no genetic commonalities, and nothnig to lose...free radicals.
Families are destroyed by the destruction of Paternalism but feminists blame men, again."

I do not have to "like" or "approve" of the reality that may emerge.

Physically/forcefully overpowering women has been a pervasive practice in every civilization since the start of recorded history. Lucretia rings a bell? Has it always been a product of modernity?
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PostSubject: Re: Rape Thu Nov 20, 2014 8:33 pm

perpetualburn wrote:
phoneutria wrote:
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Be careful not to project what isn't there "imbesil"

Are you going to make the case that this forum is not a lair of nietzscheans... you, from the nietzsche forum old guard?

What's a Nietzschean?

Ask Lyssa, she's the expert.

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And what's the Nietzsche forum old guard?
You know, lyssa, fc, sauwelios, onasander, you, satyr, etc.
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PostSubject: Re: Rape Thu Nov 20, 2014 8:54 pm

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Above all what, dear? What is it that made us great which we no longer have, and who is the bastard that did that to us?

Above all the power of instinct that runs like a current beneath us and is rarely tapped. The ambition to be the hero.

Religion took it away with its ideals of paternalism and all beings being equal in the eyes of their "God" figure that replaced the old heroes and took it one step further and made that hero inaccessible and unattainable. Then slave woman took it away with our notions of belonging to and needing our mates to be more "sensitive" and "emotional" drawing down the hero male even further, emasculating him. And then they medicated the majority of the rest to try to keep the deviance at a minimum.

We have no leaders. We have only politicians.  They are not the same thing.

Which religion, all of them? Was there no "paternalism" before religion?
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PostSubject: Re: Rape Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:07 pm

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Satyr wrote:
Back, before Paul took over sciforums, that place was a blast.
After that brain-dead, fag, took over...it became, like him, dull, stupid, and average.

Sounds like a shame. A familiar shame that rings true in more than just forums, if your interests span to those areas as I'm sure they do to some extent.

This is devolution (not in the sense of anti-evolution, but devolving responsibility to smaller units). What do you think about that prospect? I am in favour so long as strong people push their own agenda to counter the dull status quo, even if it remains only minor in its presence. That seems to me to be democracy in action.

I don't think you're developing if you're merely trying to find confirmations to your current beliefs - not to say that they ought to change. But how are you supposed to improve if you are only out there to find more of the same? Unless of course you only aim to teach a static vision. If it's a good vision then good - so long as good is *that* good. Ripping to shreds is indispensibly important and I would never take that away from you - perhaps that retains more importance than I might impulsively grant.

Unfortunately, the case with larger forums, as well as other venues, is that money talks, and sponsors are not willing to associate their brands with places that allow for free expression of ideas, as those places will contain the worst along with the best. They will also cater to the lowest denominator of tolerance for any uncivil behavior in order to garner the largest possible population, as what they are ultimately interested in is not the content of their websites, but the amount of advertisement clicks they get.
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PostSubject: Re: Rape Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:10 pm

Arditezza wrote:
Lyssa wrote:
Arditezza wrote:

Above all the power of instinct that runs like a current beneath us and is rarely tapped. The ambition to be the hero.
We have no leaders. We have only politicians.  They are not the same thing.


Every culture has its own kind of hero.

What kind of hero/heroic ideal is yours?  What do you stand for?

A hero is a man who's actions (not just ideologies) inspire, lead, promote and otherwise ensure our livelihood. He is someone with the presence and command to stir up respect, loyalty and allegiance to him in his family, business and community life. He is the one artists paint, on who writers write books and poetry and philosophers hold debates about.  He is someone people remember as a powerful influence.

As for me, I am woman. I get the distinct pleasure of being with a man who holds that kind of power.  He tends to be more lustful, more trustworthy, and more reliable than any other kind of man.  I also respect him as I am also respected for who I am and what my role is and treated like the woman I am because of it.

I'm curious, under the light of this post... how would you define paternalism?
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PostSubject: Re: Rape Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:20 pm

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Nietzsche gets a bad name from all the people who take his words flatteringly, justifying their "ressentiment" as wanting to take a philosophical hammer to the world and create new tables in line with their own "noble" values. Plenty of that here.

Indeed, and nice choice of words, tehehe.


Why is that funny?  What is a Nietzschean?

It is funny to me because it is a choice of words that I use often, and I have recently caused great ire to fall upon me by commenting on resentment. It's like listening to myself.
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