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PostSubject: Re: Rape Rape - Page 10 EmptyWed Nov 26, 2014 9:25 am

Me lady...you keep on guessing.
I am, all things to all people.
I am Satyr.

The topic is rape, and your potential mind-rapist is PDitty.
Birds of a feather.

Enjoy.

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PostSubject: Re: Rape Rape - Page 10 EmptyWed Nov 26, 2014 9:26 am

Nope, society values a young girl's virginity, not the girl herself..........it's other people who ascribe value to it.

She can't because she hasn't had sex yet, and cannot know what it means.
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PostSubject: Re: Rape Rape - Page 10 EmptyWed Nov 26, 2014 9:27 am

Ah Satyr, bowing out, or didn't you want to derail the thread further?????????
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PostSubject: Re: Rape Rape - Page 10 EmptyWed Nov 26, 2014 9:30 am

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Ah Satyr, bowing out, or didn't you want to derail the thread further?????????

Autistic boy...I've listened to you so often, saying the same shit, imitating me for so long, with that same sexual motive, that you've become a bore to me.
I want these ladies to enjoy the full spectrum of your "brilliance"...so that one of them might find you worth the trouble.

The "lady" with the virginal ears, seems to be of your kind, or your level.
She came her to save the boys from Satyr.

Have at it.
Later, you can dominate the forum and take over.

Like you wanted to.

So you are not an agent of chaos, are you autistic boy.
You are order, order, order....
Ha!!

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PostSubject: Re: Rape Rape - Page 10 EmptyWed Nov 26, 2014 9:31 am

Æon wrote:
Nope, society values a young girl's virginity, not the girl herself..........it's other people who ascribe value to it.

She can't because she hasn't had sex yet, and cannot know what it means.

Why do they care about the virginity and not the girl? I certainly DO care for the girl.
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PostSubject: Re: Rape Rape - Page 10 EmptyWed Nov 26, 2014 9:32 am

Boy presumes that you have some kind of age, wisdom, or authority of me. So you should change the way you address your superior.

That is, until you can demonstrate this supposed wisdom of yours. Can you? No? Shut the fuck up then.
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PostSubject: Re: Rape Rape - Page 10 EmptyWed Nov 26, 2014 9:33 am

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Why do they care about the virginity and not the girl? I certainly DO care for the girl.
As if virginity is not already an aspect of being a girl?

Isn't sex the critical means by which a girl becomes a woman, from child to adult??? The answer is yes.

So what you are really asking, is why society protects the innocence of children, and disallows them to become adults
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PostSubject: Re: Rape Rape - Page 10 EmptyWed Nov 26, 2014 9:36 am

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Boy presumes that you have some kind of age, wisdom, or authority of me.  So you should change the way you address your superior.

That is, until you can demonstrate this supposed wisdom of yours.  Can you?  No?  Shut the fuck up then.

Whatever you say, boy.
Being mentally violated can be disheartening.

Chaos boy...if you shit all over every thread, as you usually do, you know what will happen, right?
Keep it tight....virginal.
Luv your deep wisdom.
Inspiring.
I'll steal it for later.

Ha!!!


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PostSubject: Re: Rape Rape - Page 10 EmptyWed Nov 26, 2014 9:38 am

Satyr casually CLAIMS, from time to time, that he wants a "challenge". Yet when one is provided, by myself, what happens? Who remembers? Who was there? Who pays attention? Who listened to Satyr babble about possibility, absolutes, and things which he doesn't know? I remember, pity there weren't more to see.

So instead Satyr, needs to nip the problem, my presence, in the bud.


Why am I "frustrated" and angry, in this thread? Well it's true I do learn a few things. And one thing I've learned, is that patience with stupidity, and morons, doesn't work. Violence works better. Calling a retard a retard, works. And so it goes. My patience has run dry.

So too has my patience with Satyr, no need to hold back and pretend this moron is anything but.
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PostSubject: Re: Rape Rape - Page 10 EmptyWed Nov 26, 2014 9:39 am

Æon wrote:
Zara wrote:
Why do they care about the virginity and not the girl? I certainly DO care for the girl.
As if virginity is not already an aspect of being a girl?

Isn't sex the critical means by which a girl becomes a woman, from child to adult??? The answer is yes.

So what you are really asking, is why society protects the innocence of children, and disallows them to become adults

I don't agree with that...so, according to you, a 25 year old virgin is NOT an actual woman? This seems peculiar to me...I think that womanhood is a state of mind, more than the aftereffects of a physical act.
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PostSubject: Re: Rape Rape - Page 10 EmptyWed Nov 26, 2014 9:42 am

'Tis true, the PDitty has proven to be too much of a challenge for poor ol' Satyr.
He....he.....mind-raped me repeatedly.

I'll let others enjoy his penetrating mind.
Full of memetic sperm swimming around looking for a soft egg.

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PostSubject: Re: Rape Rape - Page 10 EmptyWed Nov 26, 2014 9:45 am

As usual, the topic is convoluted by the different motives....one as a 'what is' and the other as a 'what ought to be'.
The desperate emotional ones confuse a description of 'what is' for a preference of 'what ought to be'.

Oh well.

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PostSubject: Re: Rape Rape - Page 10 EmptyWed Nov 26, 2014 9:54 am

Offer more than an innuendo, Satyr, BYE BYE! There's the door, leave, LOL!

Zara wrote:
I don't agree with that...so, according to you, a 25 year old virgin is NOT an actual woman? This seems peculiar to me...I think that womanhood is a state of mind, more than the aftereffects of a physical act.
A 25 year old virgin female is a girl, not a woman, yes.
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PostSubject: Re: Rape Rape - Page 10 EmptyWed Nov 26, 2014 2:01 pm

Satyr wrote:
As usual, the topic is convoluted by the different motives....one as a 'what is' and the other as a 'what ought to be'.
The desperate emotional ones confuse a description of 'what is' for a preference of 'what ought to be'.

Oh well.

If all you want is a description of what is, here:
Rape is natural.
End of thread.


... so is murder.
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PostSubject: Re: Rape Rape - Page 10 EmptyWed Nov 26, 2014 2:29 pm

phoneutria wrote:
Lyssa wrote:

So minus the physical injuries, woman is not devastated by rape? [I mean it objectively, and not her subjective emotions...]

I will clarify.
There are two aspects we are talking about. The aspect of physical harm, and the aspect of psychological harm (ego/dishonor/shame).
Satyr's post says that to men rape is devastating because it would shatter his ego, but not devastating to women because they are built to receive penis. This is a mix up between the two aspects.

Or merely emphasizing impact based on evolutionary gender-role.


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He then proceeds to demonstrate how indeed a woman can have her ego shattered by rape despite his stating otherwise.

No. He stated theft of consent as is her natural role shatters her ego.

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The law does not exist to protect egos.

He stated males are as responsible for their acts, as much as females are for theirs.

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I meant with my post to state that women do get devastated by rape, even though they were designed to receive penis, and even when there is no physical sign of violence, for the reasons stated and then some.

Yes, and Satyr states the reason why they do.

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But that's not all you implied is it? Every individual has a masculine and feminine make-up; your implication that women essentially cannot be spoken of by men makes you a feminist.

I think that is a convolution on your part. A feminist would say that men and women are equal in every way.

That's a new deflection now on your part. 'A' feminist may say whatever. There is 'that' feminist such as you(?) who tried to imply unique essentialism.
If you deny this, no matter to me.

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Lyssa wrote:
phoneutria wrote:
Lyssa wrote:

So minus the physical injuries, woman is not devastated by rape? [I mean it objectively, and not her subjective emotions...]

I will clarify.
There are two aspects we are talking about. The aspect of physical harm, and the aspect of psychological harm (ego/dishonor/shame).
Satyr's post says that to men rape is devastating because it would shatter his ego, but not devastating to women because they are built to receive penis. This is a mix up between the two aspects.

Or merely emphasizing impact based on evolutionary gender-role.


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He then proceeds to demonstrate how indeed a woman can have her ego shattered by rape despite his stating otherwise.

No. He stated theft of consent as is her natural role shatters her ego.

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The law does not exist to protect egos.

He stated males are as responsible for their acts, as much as females are for theirs.

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I meant with my post to state that women do get devastated by rape, even though they were designed to receive penis, and even when there is no physical sign of violence, for the reasons stated and then some.

Yes, and Satyr states the reason why they do.

Perhaps this whole subthread could have been avoided by satyr not having stated that rape for women is NOT devastating.

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But that's not all you implied is it? Every individual has a masculine and feminine make-up; your implication that women essentially cannot be spoken of by men makes you a feminist.

I think that is a convolution on your part. A feminist would say that men and women are equal in every way.

That's a new deflection now on your part. 'A' feminist may say whatever. There is 'that' feminist such as you(?) who tried to imply unique essentialism.
If you deny this, no matter to me.
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I did not wish to imply anything, but instead work within satyr's own premises, namely that man and woman are not equal.

Regardlesss, label me as you please. Record shows you have no issue with being innacurate. Inconsequential to me.
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Satyr wrote:
As usual, the topic is convoluted by the different motives....one as a 'what is' and the other as a 'what ought to be'.
The desperate emotional ones confuse a description of 'what is' for a preference of 'what ought to be'.

Oh well.

How does one become more indifferent?
Am i not fire? Do i not desire to create and destroy as passionately as i do?
Do i not wish to be honest instead of playing these mind games to maintain myself, even if such honesty makes such a task more difficult or impossible?

But at the end of the day, you get what you get, right?


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Impulso Oscuro wrote:
Satyr wrote:
As usual, the topic is convoluted by the different motives....one as a 'what is' and the other as a 'what ought to be'.
The desperate emotional ones confuse a description of 'what is' for a preference of 'what ought to be'.

Oh well.

How does one become more indifferent?
Am i not fire? Do i not desire to create and destroy as passionately as i do?
Do i not wish to be honest instead of playing these mind games to maintain myself, even if such honesty makes such a task more difficult or impossible?

But at the end of the day, you get what you get, right?


Are you not the captain of your own destiny?  Free to shape your mind and spirit in any way you see fit?

Or do you let others drive and take you to destinations they choose?

At the end of each day, you only have your mind and your spirit to yourself.

If you don't give a shit about what others think and don't give yourself over to them you can find the wisdom and grace to figure out how to navigate the convoluted in-roads in your mind and repair all the things that might be broken along the way.

It's not easy, no journey ever is when you are in charge of it. But you'll be a happier person and have as much liberty as you need.

My youth was littered with personal disasters which I won't get into. I'm not a victim by choice. I'm the one who's driving, even if I have to run over a few stupid fucks on the way.
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PostSubject: Re: Rape Rape - Page 10 EmptyWed Nov 26, 2014 6:06 pm

Impulso Oscuro wrote:
Satyr wrote:
As usual, the topic is convoluted by the different motives....one as a 'what is' and the other as a 'what ought to be'.
The desperate emotional ones confuse a description of 'what is' for a preference of 'what ought to be'.

Oh well.

How does one become more indifferent?
Am i not fire? Do i not desire to create and destroy as passionately as i do?
Do i not wish to be honest instead of playing these mind games to maintain myself, even if such honesty makes such a task more difficult or impossible?

But at the end of the day, you get what you get, right?


You understand.
Once you understand other, and you Know Thyself, understand self, you posses a more discriminating judgment.
Now your choices are more refined, your actions more focused...you are not distracted by what others do or tell you to do.

You become indifferent to what is not yours, no matter how much of a confused whore they want you to be.
You stop caring about everything.
Your care, your respect, your interests, your love, your affinity, your friendship, your ideal, is now discriminating, too precious for you to waste it away on garbage.
The rabble stop affecting you.
Their taunts, their motives, their seductive bullshit mind-numbing escapes, and their lifestyles, ambitions and criticisms no longer matter.
Reality, the world is your standard...and those who are disconnected from this have nothing to offer you but comedic distraction, and ephemeral shallow pleasures.

Now all that matters, what you care for and about, is what attached you to the world, and those that cannot help you in this, or who strive to turn you away form this, are no longer relevant.

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PostSubject: Re: Rape Rape - Page 10 EmptyWed Nov 26, 2014 7:47 pm

It's obvious that Satyr is wavering and deficient on this topic, and refuses to discuss things rationally, as well attack me personally due to a past vendetta as he is expected to do whenever I post a response on this forum. Basically Satyr sees me as a threat to his own authority, because I so openly express resistance and challenges, as well as ideas over and superior to his. Satyr has never been able to tolerate this, his fragile, pathetic ego.

Regardless of his hypocrisy, derailing threads and going off tangents to fulfill his own personal, subjective injustice, I will stay on course.


First of all, I know women who have been "raped", or at least they claimed it happened to them when they were young. I also know girls who were not raped, and consciously "chose", supposedly, to have sex when young. So there are two predominantly different types of females here. There are those who "chose" to have sex while young, and those who do not. Rape only can occur to those females who "chose not" to have sex, but instead, are usually overpowered, or drugged, by males who then deflower them and pop their cherry.

And this topic revolves around cutting the hymen, drawing its blood, which is symbolic in many religious and spiritual systems as well.

Different societies, families, groups, cultures, people value virginity and innocence in different ways. Some girls are taught and enforced to have "Pride in themselves". These young girls are taught to feel shame if they lose their virginity (their sexual value) to lowly males. Yes, even males have higher and lower quality (Satyr being a prime example of a low quality male). And so, family is an institution through which virginity classically gains importance.

Virginity, rape, also coincide with honor, pride, dignity, and innocence.


Now, I don't expect much from you children reading this, based on the interaction already transpired. But I will teach you all, including Satyr, some basic lessons that 12-14 year olds should know. And this is the mental age I presume most of you are, since you cannot even recognize the basic principles behind this conversation.
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phoneutria wrote:
Lyssa wrote:
phoneutria wrote:
Lyssa wrote:

So minus the physical injuries, woman is not devastated by rape? [I mean it objectively, and not her subjective emotions...]

I will clarify.
There are two aspects we are talking about. The aspect of physical harm, and the aspect of psychological harm (ego/dishonor/shame).
Satyr's post says that to men rape is devastating because it would shatter his ego, but not devastating to women because they are built to receive penis. This is a mix up between the two aspects.

Or merely emphasizing impact based on evolutionary gender-role.


Quote :
He then proceeds to demonstrate how indeed a woman can have her ego shattered by rape despite his stating otherwise.

No. He stated theft of consent as is her natural role shatters her ego.

Quote :
The law does not exist to protect egos.

He stated males are as responsible for their acts, as much as females are for theirs.

Quote :
I meant with my post to state that women do get devastated by rape, even though they were designed to receive penis, and even when there is no physical sign of violence, for the reasons stated and then some.

Yes, and Satyr states the reason why they do.

Perhaps this whole subthread could have been avoided by satyr not having stated that rape for women is NOT devastating.

Or by you not attempting to Improve him purposely for something he didn't say.


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I did not wish to imply anything, but instead work within satyr's own premises, namely that man and woman are not equal.

Regardlesss, label me as you please. Record shows you have no issue with being innacurate. Inconsequential to me.

Whatever.

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PostSubject: Re: Rape Rape - Page 10 EmptyWed Nov 26, 2014 8:17 pm

Modern definition of rape

The modernist, majority, defines rape as "sex without female consent". So anytime a modern female has sex "without consent", newspeak for "without choice", then she has been raped technically. Now the modern definition of rape is a severe perversion compared to the classical definition, which I'll get to later. Basically when a girl "does not" or "did not" choose to have sex, then she can claim rape. But what's the problem here? Do females make choices? Are females capable of making choices? Are females moral, conscious, responsible, and creatures of consequence? Or isn't it truer that females are hedonistic, pleasure seekers, living in the "here and now" without second thought of consequence??? Yes, the latter is true. Modern females are incapable of self responsibility, morality, and consequence. So modern females do not "choose to" have sex. They always choose not to, and therefore, can justify any sexual act as rape.

Modern females have learned this truth, and are using it more and more against men. Any "regretful sex" is rape. She feels ashamed to have lost her virginity to a lowly male, a scumbag, (think guys like satyr), and she feels regret. If another person asks about her sexual experience, her previous partners, then she feels ashamed. She wants to keep her previous "mistakes" a secret. Why? Because she was duped by idiots, losers, and general male fecal matter. She didn't "score" a high quality male when she gave her virginity away. And so she wants to "reset" her sexuality, her lifetime and experience.

All of a sudden, the modern female feels she was "raped", because she was. Her consent was never given, especially the first time she had sex. As if sex needed to be asked for? As if sexuality is only a female permission, is it??? Of course not.



Classical definition of rape

The classical definition of rape, which is very rare today in modernity, is a young girl having sex, losing virginity, without her father's permission. Because her father "owned" her, her virginity, her innocence, and her sexuality. This is classically known as the concept of "Virtue". A virtuous, honorable, "LADY", not woman but "Lady", would introduce strange males into her family, at dinner, to her father, for her father to evaluate males. Why was the classical definition of rape so powerful in times and age ago? It is still important in some archaic societies today (middle east). Because it presumes that 1) a female does not own her own sexuality, and 2) presumes more that a female cannot successfully evaluate males on their own, which they cannot. A father is needed to "protect" his daughter from "lowly" and inferior males.

Since the Modernist definition has gained prominence and power, there is no more male filtration system in the family unit, effectually destroying the family unit altogether. This is one of the driving forces between Modernity, atheism, feminism, liberalism, and cultural marxism. The destruction of the family occurs by perverting the definition of rape, to the modern version, away from the classical version.



Now this is just my introduction into this topic....I can say much more, but expect I will have to wade through waves of bullshit, especially from the dipshit satyr, just to speak wisely on this topic.
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Very original....a breath of fresh air into an old topic.
Brilliant new perspective.

What can I say, but, I am vanquished once more by you....my nemesis?

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zara wrote:

Let me just ask you this, as it will say a lot about your potential, in my eyes... Do you feel bad for innocent girls, who get raped and abducted into sex-trafficking?
Set a scene for me.

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With what is situated between your legs?

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Supra-Aryanist wrote:
zara wrote:

Let me just ask you this, as it will say a lot about your potential, in my eyes... Do you feel bad for innocent girls, who get raped and abducted into sex-trafficking?
Set a scene for me.

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I'm not trying to be your mother, but I do feel an obligation to guide those I deem worthy.
With what is situated between your legs?

You're not man enough...
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Show me the Way to manhood, my guiding light, but ye gotta hold my soft hand.

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Sure, put 7 pages of discussion in the dungeon because of a handful of worthless posts.
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phoneutria wrote:
Sure, put 7 pages of discussion in the dungeon because of a handful of worthless posts.

Yeah...too much time to sort through them.

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PostSubject: Re: Rape Rape - Page 10 EmptyFri Nov 28, 2014 4:54 pm

Classical Definition of Rape, Extension II

The ancient, what I deem 'normal', definition of rape revolved around the female body and a young girl's hymen. Males could never be virgins, because males do not have a hymen. The tearing of the hymen, penetrated and cut by the erect penis, represented a girl's deflowering. Now "rape" occurred traditionally when the male ***did not have permission*** to do so without the daughter's consent from her father. This is classical, european, paternalism, by which the female and daughter have always been considered as objective property of the father.

We've come a long, long way away from the classical definition of rape. Today the definition of rape is severely perverted, twisted, and corrupt. It means almost nothing, or nothing, compared to its original definition and term. Today, both young females and males, sons and daughters, are "educated" to believe that children are not objects nor property of their parents. This is the fault of humanism. Humanist ideology teaches that "humans are not objects, but subjects", and any "objectification" of humans, or even mammals closely related to humans (animal rights), is bad, wrong, immoral, and evil.

Therefore, secular humanist cultural predominance, an extension of judaeo christianity, teaches children that they are *NOT* the property of their biological parents (nurture > nature). However there are ulterior, political motives. The reason and cause to teach children this, is not truly for the interest of the child, but are interests for the church and state, who "re train" children to become objects of the state. This is their 'subjugation' (sujbect-ification). So the subject is a false dichotomy, in political terms.

Education re-trains children to become politically, and then sexually controlled, by the state. Because sex is the ultimate form of control. For example, there are "minimum age consent laws" as-if the state were your parent. As if the state can intervene in the family, and dictate to the father what age his daughter, or son, can have sex, and with whom. Can they? Is the state permitted, is it just, to intervene into the family?

Who dictates morality? State? Father or mother? Family? Who "owns" children? Are humans objects?

These are all difficult philosophy questions, and since I know for a fact I must expect a lowly, pathetic quality of philosophy here on this forum, I therefore put these questions to future generations. Maybe a great thinker, other than myself, will arise in 2500AD or 3000AD, who can provide substantial, confident answers. Until that time, my questions fall upon deaf ears.

I know that none of you can challenge me, with insights, reasons, causes, significant, sufficient answers.

Especially not the piece of crap, Constantinakos, what a fucking loser.
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