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PostSubject: Re: Critique of Intelligent Design Thu Mar 02, 2017 3:09 pm

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The level of entropy can be decreased locally at the expense of increasing the level of entropy somewhere else.

Its also called sacrifice in theo-philosophical terms.

What I am saying is not every ordering is a positive/life-enhancing order.

An organized order doesnt automatically indicate intelligence, as Intel. Designers would like to argue, continuing in the foot-steps of neo-Plotinus that Nature = Order = God.

Not just plant roots, but land-masses too, and geo-"graphics", show why some arrangements, in interaction with so many factors of environmental currents, possess "the best fit", while some don't, even if we managed to find an order to its chaos.

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Every sustaining is going to possess some pattern of logic, but we can't conclude every pattern of logic is intelligent since life is more than about self-sustaining logic or merely coping in a given condition. Its why I say lessons of excess from nature don't automatically translate to proof of ID.

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"The second theory, which is presented in the investigations of Japanese scientists on the Tricholoma matsutake species, shows that fairy rings could be established by connecting neighbouring oval genets of these mushrooms. If they make an arc or a ring, they continuously grow about the centre of this object."


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PostSubject: Re: Critique of Intelligent Design Thu Mar 02, 2017 3:25 pm

Ethos wrote:
Lucretius wrote:
In these matters, remember that it is necessary diligently to shun this fauly, and to avoid it cautiously, as a most grievous error; the fault, namely, of supposing that all the parts of animals were formed with a view to the uses to which they have been adapted; lest you should suppose that the bright luminaries of the eye were produced that we may be able to see with them; and that the pillars of the legs and thighs, built upon the feet, were united for this purpose, that we might take long steps on the road; and, moreover, that the fore-arms fitted to the stout upper arms, and the hands ministering on either side, were given us that we might perform those offices which would be necessary for the support of life.

Other suppositions of this sort—whatever explanations men give— are all preposterous, reasoning being thus perverted. For nothing was produced in the body to the end that we might use it; but that which has been produced, being found serviceable for certain ends, begets use. Neither was the faculty of seeing in existence before the light of the eyes was made, nor that of speaking with words before the tongue was formed; but rather the origin of the tongue long preceded speech, and the ears were made long before any sound was heard; and, in fine, all members as I think, existed before there was any of them discovered. They could not, therefore, have been produced for the sake of being used. [The Nature of Things]


preposterous (adj.)
1540s, from Latin praeposterus "absurd, contrary to nature, inverted, perverted, in reverse order," literally "before-behind" (compare topsy-turvy, cart before the horse), from prae "before" + posterus "subsequent." Related: Preposterously; preposterousness.


I agree that nature didn't intend for anything.
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PostSubject: Re: Critique of Intelligent Design Thu Mar 02, 2017 7:13 pm

Design *IS* intelligence.

There is no "intelligent design" because to design (Create, Artifice) is to produce intellect (Adaptation, Evolution).

Mankind, or any other specie, produces higher intelligence through selective breeding (females excluding the least intelligent and favoring the most).

Intelligence is *ONLY* the result of (successful) designs.
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