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PostSubject: What would your ultimate lifeform be? What would your ultimate lifeform be? EmptyMon Apr 20, 2015 10:31 pm

Say you had a nanotech that could mix and combine the DNA of any creature, race, creed and gender, including producing hermaphroditic sex and abnormalities.

What would your ultimate lifeform be?

And, would you fill the world with this lifeform? Would you select multiple breeds of lifeforms?
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PostSubject: Re: What would your ultimate lifeform be? What would your ultimate lifeform be? EmptyTue Apr 21, 2015 8:48 am

A human, as he is.

Your question presumes an "ultimate" - whatever that means - and it smells of self-hatred.

Like asking:
"If you could be any person in the history of the world, who would you be?"

Change one thing, corresponding to a past, and you are no longer you.
There is no perfection so the word "ultimate" should be defined.

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Satyr wrote:
A human, as he is.

Your question presumes an "ultimate" - whatever that means - and it smells of self-hatred.

Like asking:
"If you could be any person in the history of the world, who would you be?"

Change one thing, corresponding to a past, and you are no longer you.
There is no perfection so the word "ultimate" should be defined.

Hate is an emotion, emotions flux.

I realize my DNA is in adequate, i am unblissful a large percentage of external-time (external-time is not the same as personal percieved time. externaltime is what you read on the clock, percieved time changes with your emotions. your body clock is more similar to externaltime, not percieved time. it uses percieved time to offset itself mathematically like deltatime to maintain consistency with external time.)

my DNA is inadequate I require augmentation in certain areas, I am not the final supra, my work output is low and psychological stability is low, my anhedonia is high and bliss is inadequate. my atheletic abilities, spinal constitution and stamina could use upgrades as well.

however primary and sub directives and routines functioning well within accordance to optimal parameters.
constructing the supra genetic is not the final step, from there the next step towards perfection will be made.
perfection can be found, because conscious complexity can percieve that within it's range of complexity, perfection is relative, if consciousness is altered it can be aligned to fit within a bounds of perfection, even if that means it must be in flux and not static.
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PostSubject: Re: What would your ultimate lifeform be? What would your ultimate lifeform be? EmptyTue Apr 21, 2015 1:14 pm

Yes...and its is called a state of well-being.
Not a difficult state to be in in our modern world, if you are not seduced by cultural ideals and lies.

Boredom is the mind hungering, needing, wanting to consume...it is like sexual desire, a need to be penetrated, for a female, and be seeded, and for a man a need to expunge himself, and seed another.

Some preliminary concepts:

Sex is violence.
Being convinced by another is like being fertilized, penetrated.

Fear (anxiety) is the mother of all emotions.
The "negative" ones (hatred, anger, sadness) are extensions of it.
The "positive" ones (love, compassion, happiness) are ways of coping with it.

Then there are combinations such as envy.

No perfection, as there is no end, no absolute, no order, and no absolute chaos.
There words indicate a direction....they are signposts for the mind to orient itself.
The mind is a simple tool it uses binary dualistic methods.

Breaking free from this dualism is essential.
It require an artistic mind - part scientist part artist = philosopher.
The real is perceived indirectly, metaphorically, from the corner of your eye, so to speak.

We live in an age of absolutism = the Abrahamic Religions have given way to the Alexandrian Age of reason. It implies that all can be known.
Omnipotence is taken for granted, as not beyond, as it was, but as feasible in the world, using what?
Words.

This is the age of bullshit and pretentiousness, and stupidity masking as genius.
all you need is a dictionary and a thesaurus, no more a bible....the worlds are available to you. you are Empowered, you see?

The worse thing you can do to a Modern Nihilist is connect words, referring to abstractions (noumenon), with the apparent, the perceived, (phenomenon).
He will ridicule it, remain skeptical, cynical, will mock it, because the noumenon is a static artistic representation and so it remains imprecise.
The modern takes this as an indication that he can detach and invent his won reality...he calls this subjectivity, or perscpetivism...or his "liberty".
He can now claim to be anything he wants the other to believe that he is, and all he needs are words.

Do you see what kind of retards we are dealing with here, and how impossible it is to break this spell, if you also consider the fact that most of them are morons, products of inferior genes, and that they are cowards, and would go insane if they were to even consider the possibility that they are living in a dreamworld, and that the real world does not give a shit about them.

All you can do with such manimals is ignore them, deal with them as you would a chimpanzee in the jungle.
With care, and respect for their power in numbers, but without placing too must emphasis on their hooting and hollering, and their thrashing about.

I've embarked in seeking humans within these urban jungles of Globalization.
I have a specific definition of what "human" emans and it is not simply sexual, as in species, nor mystical as in this mysterious label retards use to include themselves within what they are clueless about.

And as always females are a key in human destiny, until they invent the mechanical womb.








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PostSubject: Re: What would your ultimate lifeform be? What would your ultimate lifeform be? EmptyTue Apr 21, 2015 3:41 pm

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Yes...and its is called a state of well-being.
Not a difficult state to be in in our modern world, if you are not seduced by cultural ideals and lies.
Not sure what you mean by this. Well-being, implied state of mindbody health. To simplify, social stratification of conspicuous consumption, a phenomenon described by Ecmandu and many others, a negative symptom of modernworld. Phenomenom is characterized by female selectivity and the male approach. Results in a social heirarchy where females recieve maximum selection and social gratification and males recieve little selection and social gratification. Only a small portion of males (the 1 percent) recieve the wealth, mating selection and social gratification. Translation, the majority of the world is in suffering, with low resources and low expressive potential. However to blame the worlds problems on social stratification is a fallacy, stratification is a symptom, not a cause. The male approach does not cause war and suicide. However, the male approach, and male insemination of the female could be described as a kind of violence, penetration, that the female enjoys, as most females are liars, and contradictory in nature (secret masochists with Stockholm's syndrome, who often say the opposite of what they really want.)
Ecmandu blames all lack of well-being on this mating status but this is simply the tip of the iceberg. In barren wastelands (Africa) there is low well-being due to scarcity of resources. However many tribal cultures (many Northern American Native tribes) were reported to have very happy outlooks. The human DNA has not yet adapted to live in the cube realms and there is no replacement for the great outdoors. The ruling bodies and its citizen structures have released large amounts of xeno-toxins in the environment to name a few toxins "xeno-estrogen" "artificial color" "artificial flavor" and "partially hydrogenated oil."
Artificial flavor may compromise the immune system. Partially hydrogenated oil clogs arteries and leads to cancer. Though it is important to know that a body is in a spectrum of cancer prone, and not cancer prone. Being not cancer-prone is unhealthy because it is associated with slow cell division and reproduction. Middle grounds is best.
Artificial color is responsible for ADHD symptoms in the populace. ADHD leads to anhedonia (lack of pleasure) and anhedonia leads to lack of empathy. Therefore you get a large populace that continues to care less that it is poisoned, and continues to reproduce to satisfy their ADHD constant need of stimulation. ADHD is more accurately described as a form of anhedonia, since anhedonia is the primary agent behind ADHD behavoirs. Anhedonia is caused by several reasons, trauma being one of them, crushed hopes and dreams, abuse. Too much stimulation can cause it, easy access to stimulation (the rich life vs. the wild man) and inversely, too little stimulation can cause it (ie. living in pestilence too long and you become anhedonic.)
Xeno-estrogens are partially responsible for your feminization of man. However the transgender male to female will never experience the same level of harmony and contentment that a xx woman will, bio-identical estrogen is toxic to the male body, and this will cause unpleasant schisms over time. With this philosophy in mind, imagine how much worse xeno-estrogen is to the male mind and body.
The modern psychiatric forms can be compared to clowns in suits, or chimpanzees. They are largely unable to diagnose or prescribe with any degree of rationality, accuracy, or scientific backing. They have no real cure for anhedonia, they simply prescribe raw chemicals which disrupt the already broken balance of the mind. Just look at any mental hospital, you will never find a single device which performs any CAT scans or EEG's of the brain, and you will find that their food menu is processed junk which excascerbates symtpoms. It was merely 6 years ago that these clowns were still performing electro-shock therapy on patients who had mild symptoms (I had a friend who was prescribed the shocks simply to change her sexuality.)


To me the emotions are more like a color wheel. I don't agree that fear is the base emotion, I believe fear is one one end of the spectrum, repulsion, and on the other end, is love, gravity.
Love often rubberbands into fear, and fear rubberbands into love, this is why relationships can be quite stress ful. Hate and envy are somewhere near the middle of the wheel.

Satyr wrote:
No perfection, as there is no end, no absolute, no order, and no absolute chaos.
There words indicate a direction....they are signposts for the mind to orient itself.
The mind is a simple tool it uses binary dualistic methods.
Perfection is indeed more of an ideal, and abstraction. For example the ideal of Pleasure for instance, lorem ipsum people need a little pain to feel pleasure, if you stay high all the time then high is the new low. However I believe there is a way to cheat the system and reach the ideal. What I do know is that the common idea of perfection, which is sterility, mathematical patterns, sharp edges, is not what I believe perfection is. I believe Perfection is flawlessness, a program that runs without errors. The program I refer to would be ideal of Absolute Pleasure, and if such program ran into errors it would neither be Perfect, nor Pleasure. Errors would be a pain of some kind. I believe there is a way to cheat the system and reach the ideal and create the ultimate program.

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Breaking free from this dualism is essential.
It require an artistic mind - part scientist part artist = philosopher.
The real is perceived indirectly, metaphorically, from the corner of your eye, so to speak.
In ancient times there was a prince named Buddha who had it all, money, family, food shelter power. He wasn't happy since the rest of the world was miserable. So he went off to meditate. Came back gave some advice, and legend says after that he died, he ceased to rebirth or reincarnate. This indicates he had no desire to rebirth again, which indicates he believes Heaven would have not come to him in his next life on Earth.

However, in reference to your dualism statement, a man in recent times meditated for 40 years. He said he completely has no more ego, a scientist looked at his brain and the ego pathways are all defunct. So he is completely connected with the outside, with no internal narrative. He says he is blissful, and the top coworker at his facility, with lots of creative ideas. Of course he has low sentience, like a zombie, but still some sentience and good output. However the question is his bliss due to his lack of dualism, lack of ego, or his is bliss due to other areas of his brain being modified after the 40 years of meditation. They say pleasure is located in the limbic system, and then say that dopamine causes bliss. This is a very rough explanation and would like to dig deeper. I doubt that pleasure is exclusively located in the limbic system, and I also doubt that sheer egolessness is the key to pleasure, after all schizophrenics whilst in automatic writing mode (egoless zombie demon mode) are not in bliss. I believe that pleasure more has to do with your nerve roots gravitating and "loving" other nerve roots, and when your nerves recoil and move away like a negativenegative magnet, I believe that is pain. I would like to delve deeper in this.

Satyr wrote:
He can now claim to be anything he wants the other to believe that he is, and all he needs are words.
protothoughts

words are male extensions of the base female protothoughts, which feel like words but are lost in translation when converted and output in to the external. Its always good to focus on the meaning of the words rather than the words themselves. Many people don't put enough into protothoughts.
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PostSubject: Re: What would your ultimate lifeform be? What would your ultimate lifeform be? EmptyTue Apr 21, 2015 11:49 pm

Trixie Celūcilūnaletumoon wrote:
To me the emotions are more like a color wheel. I don't agree that fear is the base emotion, I believe fear is one one end of the spectrum, repulsion, and on the other end, is love, gravity.
Love often rubberbands into fear, and fear rubberbands into love, this is why relationships can be quite stress ful. Hate and envy are somewhere near the middle of the wheel.

Fear is love of self.

Trixie Celūcilūnaletumoon wrote:
I believe there is a way to cheat the system and reach the ideal and create the ultimate program.

You believe it.

Trixie Celūcilūnaletumoon wrote:
In ancient times there was a prince named Buddha who had it all, money, family, food shelter power. He wasn't happy since the rest of the world was miserable. So he went off to meditate. Came back gave some advice, and legend says after that he died, he ceased to rebirth or reincarnate. This indicates he had no desire to rebirth again, which indicates he believes Heaven would have not come to him in his next life on Earth.

Ah, the diminishing returns of order.


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PostSubject: Re: What would your ultimate lifeform be? What would your ultimate lifeform be? EmptyWed Apr 22, 2015 12:04 am

Trixie Celūcilūnaletumoon wrote:
my anhedonia is high and bliss is inadequate.

Inadequate to accomplish what?

Anhedonia and thyroidism are linked; this is treatable as far as I know.

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PostSubject: Re: What would your ultimate lifeform be? What would your ultimate lifeform be? EmptyWed Apr 22, 2015 11:50 am

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Fear is love of self.
no it is not. i mentioned earlier about romantic love being unstable and often rubberbanding into fear-mode. perhaps it is along these lines, love turns to fear when you begin to worry about yourself.

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Trixie Celūcilūnaletumoon wrote:
In ancient times there was a prince named Buddha who had it all, money, family, food shelter power. He wasn't happy since the rest of the world was miserable. So he went off to meditate. Came back gave some advice, and legend says after that he died, he ceased to rebirth or reincarnate. This indicates he had no desire to rebirth again, which indicates he believes Heaven would have not come to him in his next life on Earth.

Ah, the diminishing returns of order.

diminishing in what timeline? please be more specific.

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Inadequate to accomplish what?
inadequate to make me say life could possibly be good even if the external world was a utopia. (there can be no utopia without internal utopia as well.)

lys wrote:
Anhedonia and thyroidism are linked; this is treatable as far as I know.
hmm i will check that out.
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PostSubject: Re: What would your ultimate lifeform be? What would your ultimate lifeform be? EmptyWed Apr 22, 2015 8:07 pm

Trixie Celūcilūnaletumoon wrote:

no it is not. i mentioned earlier about romantic love being unstable and often rubberbanding into fear-mode. perhaps it is along these lines, love turns to fear when you begin to worry about yourself.

Why does one love?
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Trixie Celūcilūnaletumoon wrote:

diminishing in what timeline? please be more specific.

The very success of buddha's ancestors contributed to his suicidal enlightenment.

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There are many micro level things i dont know about the world and history but i can predict or allude to them using the macro level tools i have.

He was royalty.
He was sheltered from pain and consequence.
When he finally comes into contact with it, he becomes obsessed with removing it from existence.
Removing the very things which his ancestors fought and bled to maintain and build.

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PostSubject: Re: What would your ultimate lifeform be? What would your ultimate lifeform be? EmptyWed Apr 22, 2015 8:53 pm

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Why does one love?
Either spontaneously, or to fill in the fear in their lives. Some people are doing just fine, then they go through puberty get a sex drive and then they lust to fill in the fear. Or, others do just fine after puberty, then they run into "the love of their life" and now everytime they are near or far they feel fear, afraid of losing their love one or losing love, which by definition has already been lost, or at least minimized and put in the background by the action of fearing losing it. love usually destabilizes the stable, but love is not fear, only a catalyst to rubberband the mind into fear. strong minds can get the reigns on love and not have it rubberband like beginners.

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The very success of buddha's ancestors contributed to his suicidal enlightenment.
His enlightenment was supposedly suicidal. Supposedly he lives in the great beyond, the land of non-existence, and he no longer rebirthed into any realm. Can his non-rebirth and non-existence be verified by science? If so, great for him. If not, we have him to thank for the passive attitudes of the modern liberals and buddhist do nothings. Thankfully, there are many buddhist sects who do not believe in such selfish passivity.

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He was royalty.
He was sheltered from pain and consequence.
When he finally comes into contact with it, he becomes obsessed with removing it from existence.
Removing the very things which his ancestors fought and bled to maintain and build.
Seems like you are saying his ancestors fought to preserve pain. If they did, that seems pretty retarded of them to do. Goes to show the vanity of sacrifice (or at least Hollywood sacrifice.) More specifically wasting your life grinding so you can build up trivial treasures like cars and socks, and fancy suits to impress the chimps around you.
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PostSubject: Re: What would your ultimate lifeform be? What would your ultimate lifeform be? EmptyWed Apr 22, 2015 9:59 pm

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Either spontaneously, or to fill in the fear in their lives.

You can only fear when you have something to lose, and the only thing in the end that can be lost is yourself.

Trixie Celūcilūnaletumoon wrote:
Seems like you are saying his ancestors fought to preserve pain. If they did, that seems pretty retarded of them to do. Goes to show the vanity of sacrifice (or at least Hollywood sacrifice.) More specifically wasting your life grinding so you can build up trivial treasures like cars and socks, and fancy suits to impress the chimps around you.

No, not to preserve just pain but themselves.
Some of those "treasures" in the past used to be used more for fending/culling the chimps off rather than impression.
Perhaps they are fools, but that is what we all are to different extents, we live... knowing our own demise/decay and yet...

We burn on.

What will you attempt to preserve?

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What will you preserve?

Thinking about it. Not to be a G-bus freak (I know the (wo)man isn't too popular around these parts) but I've been thinking. If the message stuck on the side and rear end of the G-bus was "love your neighhh-burrr" seems like the G-bus meme's were not understood. The G-bus flipped over tables and performed miracles. Modern followers don't seem to comprehend his basic memes, they tend to be blind idiots who conform to the modern version of the Pharisee. And do they "love thy neighbor" absolutely not unless that neighbor is in literal physical space to them.

Like him or not the G-bus is a good example of failed memes, failed attempts at preservation. Buddha predicted his memes would be corrupted in 500 years, and G-bus meme's were corrupted in just 50 years by Saul the traitor (traitor to both G-bus AND the romans. If you cant go for good go for broke I guess was his thought.)

In order for memes to be preserved, they must be understood. To be understood they must be compatible. And the only way to do that is to upgrade the human DNA, the digital code that our ancestors are remembered by. So before I die I hope to upgrade the human DNA, and if I don't well we are probably all shitfucked.
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Well its not just about quantity of preservation but the quality as well.

It seems that the fires that burn the brightest tend to burn out the fastest as well.

Some wish to use wood for kindling, others use chimps.

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