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PostSubject: Re: Nihilism Nihilism - Page 4 EmptySun Jun 02, 2019 10:33 am

Nihilistic meme - an ideology that is restricted by the quantity of minds that have been indoctrinated within tis principles.
An idea that is totally impotent beyond the boundaries of its ideological influence - noetic effect.

Nihilism is a detachment form reality - so it refers to nothing in reality. It is useless in the world, and only useful among those who share in its principles, i.e., the true believers.
The symbols/words representing its principles are meaningless beyond those who have been indoctrinated to react to them in specific ways.

Symbols/words properly defined retain their menaing, because it is founded no a phenomenon that remains independent from all interpretation of it - it is the objective that is independent from all subjectivity.
Consider the way the concept of 'god' is used among Aryans and then among Magians.
For the former it refers to natural phenomena, i.e., sun, moon, earthquakes, oceans, earth, rivers, plants, animals, humans, stars, clouds, actions, behaviours etc.
In Magian - Ambrahamic - culture it refers to ideas, concepts, abstractions referring to emotions, feelings, hopes, abstractinos etc.

The first is about the world - cosmos.
The second is about how man reacts to the world - universe.
The second is more popular, because the majority desire to cope, to find ways of dealing with a world that threatens them, filling them with emotions.
The first requires a special kind of mind/body constitution; someone who can endure the objective reality, though it contradicts his/her subjective desires and interests.
Clarity has a price - and so many famous philosophers have gone mad, or have never enjoyed the biological pleasures of the mediocre - only madmen and philosophers, as they say, would stand outside communal conventions.
It is far easier to sell to the needy what they so desperately want to buy.

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From within the Cosmos, all is multiplicity, in Flux. One has to noetically - theoretically - project his mind in some non-existent 'external' plane, to perceive Cosmos as a singularity, i.e. whole, one, Universe.
A practice the mind cannot help but perform - it is an organ that forages for patterns and creates them, when they are missing - the source of Nihilism.
Mistaking its own methods for something more profound, is where the mind traps itself in paradoxes.

From within Nihilism a return is perceived as an inversion, e.g., for the mind convinced that all is subjective and a matter of perspective, the idea that this is not entirely true, is also a subjective matter of perspective; for a mind accepting convectional definitions of Nihilism, any position denying universals and absolutes is Nihilistic, adopting Nietzsche's positions as being literal.

For an imbecile genius is either magical or it is monstrous; for a coward courage is either a form of madness or it is fake; for a mind seeking escape, responsibility is either victimization and shaming, or it is shameless victimizing - free-will is either God-like and unconditioned, or it is Satanic deception and illusory.

Absolutism is the paradigm of Nihilistic entrapment.
A trap that can be comforting and warm, when compared to the alternative.

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PostSubject: Re: Nihilism Nihilism - Page 4 EmptyTue Jun 11, 2019 10:17 pm

Taoist Philosophy wrote:
According to Zen, the spirit is by nature formless and no “objects” are to be harbored in it. When anything is harbored there, psychic energy loses its balance, its native activity becomes cramped, and it no longer flows with the stream. Where the energy is tipped, there is too much of it in one direction and a shortage of it in another direction. Where there is too much energy, it overflows and cannot be controlled. In either case, it is unable to cope with ever-changing situations. But when there prevails a state of purposelessness (which is also a state of fluidity or mindlessness), the spirit harbors nothing in it, nor is it tipped in one direction; it transcends both subject and object; it responds empty-mindedly to whatever is happening.

Not to localize or partialize is the end of spiritual training. When it is nowhere it is everywhere. When it occupies one-tenth, it is absent in the other nine-tenths. Let a person discipline himself to have the mind go on its own way, instead of trying deliberately to confine it somewhere. It is the ONE without opposite, infinite and unceasing.

This “one” being the way of nothingness. Moderns are deeply attracted to this form of being. Their own spirits crave the direction that they lack. A path in the Tao, the way of emptiness, is fitting for one who has no identity, and for those who long for a spirit they do not have. The positivity these passages allude to about subsisting in nothingness, about making an appeal to its use-value, carries a note of despairing uncertainty in its method. It reasons nothing to be had, except the purpose of existing for the sake of happenstance for some form of guidance to appear spontaneously, as God appears spontaneously. An aberrant style of wisdom with no self-knowledge, an idea with no meaning.
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The 'nothing' refers to the absent absolute, or the absence of an absolute, other than as a idea/ideal existing ni obscure vagueness in the mind.

The 'no-thing, can be sued in two ways, corresponding to the two types of Nihilist, i.e., the 'pure' or authentic nihilist, and the hypocrite, the 'positive' nihilist who is the epitome of Modern schizophrenia.
His ability to maintain a self-contradiction - mind/body dissonance - makes him a neurotic, usually using soem form of self-numbing to cope with his internal turmoil, i.e., compartmentalization...is the very foundation of Orwellian newspeak.

I've said it before but it bears repeating.

The assumed absolute - human mental abstraction - has two self-comforting and defensive utilities.

1- Its absence leaves a void that can be claimed by the desperate degenerate's abstractions.
'Since there is no omnipotent/omniscient other - i.e., god - then any idea is 'possible' including the most absurd and nonsensical.' The absence of absolute certainty is an 'argument' to validate anything, using the criteria of emotion, and pleasure - i.e., hedonism. essentially the absolute one-god of Abrahamism is replaced by a sanctified idealization of humanity, which can now be sued to 'validate' an idea using popularity.
an idea - even an absurd one - is validated numerically - quantities of humans reflecting divine approval.

2- Its absence can be used to dismiss all perspective and/or judgements, on the grounds that there is no absolute awareness and knowledge, i.e., no omnipotence nor omniscience, ergo there is no certainty, so all opinions are equally 'wrong, and can be dismissed for this reason alone.
The degenerate uses the absence of absolutes as a method of denying anything that threatens his/her peace of mind or his/her very existence.
No immutable, indivisible, complete, whole, oneness, means every abstraction is flawed, i.e., imperfect. But not just 'imperfect' or 'incomplete' but equally so. The mind replaces absolute 'one', in the mind, with the absolute 'nil', also in the mind.
The abstraction is still considered 'absolute' and a 'force' that can usurp reality, either by 'correcting' its flaw - i.e., its missing absolute - or by absolutely denying its multiplicity and its perceived gradations.
The 'one' - of the 'positive' nihilist - is the noumenon that absorbs phenomena into a uniform singularity, e.g., universe - singularity manifested as multiplicity, i.e., the idea absorbing multiplicity into a noetic thingness, a one, and then given a symbol/word, a name. the 'name' hides the dissonance, or the flaws and contradictions.
To name some-thing is to convert it into a harmonious 'thing', i.e., an idea, concept.
No god, for this type of Modern, is reason enough to claim the throne, and not reason to claim that there can never be a one-god-king.
The 'nil' - of the 'pure' nihilist - is the noumenon that negates all phenomena, into a uniform 'no-thing'. It does not matter what is super/inferior, all is levelled down to a no-thingness - the absent 'thingness' is the absent absolute.
No god, for this type of Modern, is reason enough to deny all superiority - a reason to validate an equality in uniform weakness, ignorance, feebleness, i.e., inferiority.

For both there is no gradations, reflecting cosmic open-ended uncertainty, and fluctuating interactivity.
There can only be an either/or absolute. The human mind trapped in an infantile phase in its development.
Just as the ancients mistook their emerging self-consciousness as divine voices communicating with them from a 'beyond' or 'outside', so too do Moderns, still immature, mistake their own abstractions as magical forces, or divine codes, communicating secret insights - world creating. The word, referring to a human idea, concept, is intentionally or not, mistaken as preceding the phenomenon - as a mystical symbol that can usurp cosmic reality.

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PostSubject: Re: Nihilism Nihilism - Page 4 EmptyFri Jun 14, 2019 10:26 am

Just finished reading Sloterjidk's 'Nieatzsche's Apostle'.
I like d it.
Offered an explanation as to why narcissists and cynics are attracted to his prose.
Read what he truly thinks of himself, despite his rhetoric about 'living dangerously' and whatnot.

Nietzsche wrote:
The whole surface of consciousness-consciousness is a surface-has to be kept free from all of the great imperatives. Be careful even of great words, great attitudes . . . .
I have no memory of ever having made an effort-you will not detect any trace of struggle in my life, I am the opposite of a heroic nature. To "will" anything, to "strive" after anything, to have a "goal," a "wish" in mind I have never experienced this. Right now I am still looking out over my future-an immense future!-as if it were a calm sea: there is not a ripple of longing. I do not have the slightest wish for anything to be different from how it is; I do not want to become anything other than what I am. But this is how my life has always been.

He warns us about his own self-aggrandizing language.
he tells us he is the 'opposite of a heroic nature' and that he never truly willed anything....Socrates is echoed.

Nietzsche wrote:
I have talked about myself with a cynicism that will become world historical. The book is called Ecce Homo . . .
In the section of this book called Why I write such good books Nietzsche makes the following remarks about his works: they sometimes reach the highest elevation you will find anywhere on earth, cynicism.

Sloterjidk, Peter wrote:
To learn more about Nietzsche's theory and praxis of generosity, it is also-or above all-necessary to address his "megalomania," supposing this an appropriate designation for this author's extraordinary talent to speak about himself, his mission, and his writings in the highest of tones. Perhaps this issue here is one for which the expression addressed to the publisher about the "good news,'' "something for which there is yet no name," is once again appropriate. The alternative designations used to encompass the first parts of Thus Spoke Zarathustra, "Poem" and "Gospel," should also be kept in reserve as a way of qualifying Nietzsche's megalomaniacal remarks.
Megalomania, then, or poetry, or something for which there is yet no name: what follows is advisably approached with a provision of alternative expressions, to avoid getting stuck with a designation reflex that is first best. The exposure value of Nietzsche's most conspicuous statements about himself are so excessive that even the most favorable, the most free-spirited reader, yes even those who are willingly dazed, will look away from these passages as though not wanting to have perceived, to have countersigned, what has been committed to paper and put into print. It is possible to stare fixedly neither at the sun nor at the self-praise of the mad-for this reason we read these unbearable outbursts of self-awareness with self-praise protective eye-wear. We tone down that which cannot penetrate unfiltered into a reader's eyes without his having to look away out of a sense of shame for the unbridled other, or else out of one of tact, which advises us not to use the moments in which an excited person bares himself against him. Among Nietzsche lovers it is a mark of decency not to cite this sort of thing, is it not?
Today, however, we must deviate from the norm of the amateur.

Nieatzsche wrote:
The fact that a psychologist without equal is speaking in my works, this is perhaps the first
thing a good reader will realize-the sort of reader I deserve, who reads me as good old philologists read their Horace.
Does anyone at the end of the nineteenth century have a dear idea of what poets in strong ages called inspiration? If not, I will describe it . . . .
This is my experience of inspiration; I do not doubt that you would need to go back thousands of years to find anyone who would say: "it is mine as well."My Zarathustra has a special place for me in my writings. With it, I have given humanity the greatest gift it has ever received.
Leaving aside the poets: perhaps nothing has ever been done with such an excess of energy.
Here, my concept of the " Dionysian" became the highest deed; all the rest of human activity looks poor and limited in comparison. The fact that a Goethe, a Shakespeare, would not know how to breathe for a second in this incredible passion and height . . .a ll this is the least that can be said, and does not give you any real idea of the distance, of the azure solitude this work lives in . . .
The collective spirit and goodness of all great souls would not be capable of producing a single one of Zarathustra's speeches . . . . Until then, you do not know what height, what depth really is; you know even less what truth is . . . . Wisdom, investigations of the soul, the art of speakingnone of this existed before Zarathustra.
. . . an old friend has just written to say that she is laughing at me . . . And this at a moment Totai Sponsoring I when an unspeakable responsibility rests on me-when no word can be too gentle, no look respectful enough for me. Because I am carrying the destiny of humanity on my shoulders.
When I measure myself by what I can do . . .
I have better claims to the word "great" than any other mortal.
My lot would have it that I am the first decent human being, that I know myself to be opposing the hypocrisy of millennia . . . I was the first to discover the truth because I was the first to see-to smell-lies for what they are . . . I am a bearer of glad tidings as no one ever was before . . . Starting with me, the earth will know great politics . . .

I would like t o suggest that we dwell a little longer on these unbearable phrases and slowly remove the protective eye-wear that has for a century spared readers the need to engage with this eruptive, obscene profusion of self-praise and self-objectivization. I make this suggestion on the assumption that we are dealing not with some subjective disinhibition in the usual sense, or with a morbid way of letting oneself go, or even with traces of puerility, as commentators like Thomas Mann and Karl Jaspers have discerned in Nietzsche.

Cringe worthy, indeed.
That such bravado would find desperate ears to inspire is an indication of the decadence and decay of our age.
Emasculated males and females who have lost sight of 'real manliness' would be pulled into such prose.
Magians, with the audacity to declare themselves 'chosen' by a 'super conciousness' to 'emancipate mankind, or that they deserve eternal existence, would find here a justification of their attitude.  

But Nietzsche always praised those he considered his enemies and criticized those he considered his own kind.

In an age of inversions, all is the opposite of what it seems.
Did he not call himself a nihilist?
What else would he call those who negated the negative, in a time when words have been hijacked and rendered meaningless by the very disease that appropriate symbols/words to propagate and to self-validate?

Psychology is integral to politics. A 'philosophy' that aims at politics is a part of philosophy dealing only with humans and how to inspire and control them.
Political Philosophy will be forced to obfuscate, conceal, and selectively reveal what philosophical acumen- if it is pure of motive and strong in constitution, has revealed.
Politics is the wanton soul's discipline - what he called 'herd psychology- dealing with the herd's internal relationships, in relation to an external world that is fled from or fought agaisnt - fight/flight.

Sloterjidk, Peter wrote:
On February 1 3 , 1 883 in Rapallo , Friedrich Nietzsche, then aged 38, composed a tactically stylized letter to his editor, Ernst Schmeitzner in Chemnitz:
Nieatzsche wrote:
Dearest Herr Veleger,
. . .Today I have something good to announce:
I have made a decisive step-and I mean by the way, such a step as should also be useful to you. It is a matter of a small work (barely a hundred printed pages) , the title of which is Thus Spoke Zarathustra A Book for All and None
It is a "poem," or a fifth " Gospel" or something or other for which there is not yet a name:
by far the most serious but also the most cheerful of my productions, and accessible to everyone. So I think that it will have an "immediate effect" . . .

On April 20 of the same year, Nietzsche wrote to Malvida von Meysenbug in Rome:
Nieatzsche wrote:
. . . it is a beautiful story: I have challenged all the religions and made a new "holy book"! And, said in all seriousness, it is as serious as any other, even though it incorporates laughter into religion.
On May 24 in a letter to Karl Hillebrand Nietzsche made the following remark about the first part of Zarathustra:
Nieatzsche wrote:
Everything that I had thought, suffered, and hoped for is in it and in a way that my life wants now to appear to me as justified. And then again I feel ashamed before myself: since I have hereby stretched out my hand for the highest garlands ever awarded to humanity . . .

Though he professed to admire Jesus, the man, his admiration was meant for those who composed the gospels, presenting Jesus through his hypothetical sermons and his life as they perceived it; as he admire Socrates as he was presented to him by Plato.
Nietzsche presents himself as an apostle of himself.

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PostSubject: Re: Nihilism Nihilism - Page 4 EmptyMon Jun 17, 2019 10:12 am

The concept of the 'moment' is another example of a nihilistic absolute that is absent from existence and only 'exists' as an idea/ideal in the mind.

Present is not a 'static singularity' a 'here' does not imply frozen space/time.
Here is a reference to a fluctuating state we also call existence, but we can only encompass, in our mind, between an 'immutable' past' (memory), and a projected future' (idea/ideal).

Most biological reactions are performed automatically - as with plants - requiring no decision.
This is why Moderns refuse to belief in any degree of free-will, though many profess to be 'free-spirits' and worshippers of 'will' as a vague abstract idea implying a one-god- They never stray too far from their Abrahamic inheritance, but only in rejecting the infantile metaphors that have anthropomorphous the very ideas/ideals they continue to worship and surrender to.

The absent absolute means there is no here/now in any absoltue sense - both refer to dynamic processes.  

Free-will emerges to usurp automated reactions, so as to gain an advantage over competitors and to deal with environmental fluctuations, something plants and lower life-forms are unable to do, practising the more primitive form of adaptation based on trial/error.
Cultivation - called nurturing by bleeding-heart degenerates - indicates a process of training into the organism alternate reactions to stimuli; a kind of second-nature, which is part of the eastern martial arts.
This training - using repetition - attempts to usurp genetic programming replacing it with memetic alternatives.

Gene<>Meme conflicts - Nihilism takes it to the extreme by idealizing a total overhauling of genetic processes so as to cultivate an idealized future, unable to comprehend how this contradicts the very cosmic forces that programmed life in the first place - anti-life.

because reactivity occurs in the fluctuating present - triggered by stimuli on a level that precedes conscious awareness - the individual can only experience present/presence after-the-fact. This gives it the impression that the choice it made was made for it by some external will, when in fact it was itself guided by genetic programming - i.e., memories - and/or by memetic training - i.e., education, nurturing, experiences.
Experiences, stored as memories - neural clusters in brain - can usurp memories stored as DNA neural clusters - genes - stored throughout the body.
This is the gene/meme conflict that can become psychosomatic dissonance.

The usual understanding of the concepts 'here' and 'now' is an abstraction of space/time which begins with the thought and ends with it - the individual using himself and his metabolic rate as a standard - triangulating the judgement in reference to his motive - an intent.
Past (genes, body), Future (idea/ideal, mind)...present in the synthesis, nervous system (reaction, action, momentum/movement).

Organisms are governed by genetic (memories) and are reactive - they are directed by precedent, gradually altering in accordance with trial/error - survival of the fittest. Simpler organism are entirely dependent on chance mutations (by-products of order/chaos interactions upon the organism) to adapt to environment - higher life forms can use judgement.

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Therefore, Nihilism attempts to overhaul human genetic programming -erasing the entire past - so as to reprogram the individual in accordance to its own motives - governed by its own ideology.
This is why god is anathema for them, and why the past must be rejected as a premise.
This is why they always insist that everything having to do with humans is a social construct - justifying their own social engineering motives - eugenics; with the end of of - i.e., the Abrahamic version of the one-god, the absolute - they refuse or cannot comprehend how the god concept is unnecessary to support the concept of an immutable determining past, nor the concept of an objective reality - which is fluctuating but not void of all order.

The pure and/or authentic nihilists go the other direction, surrendering to a secular version of the Magian one-god.

Both 'pure' and 'positive' nihilists participate in a dialectic of nihilism - their conceptions are enclosed within a binary/dualistic universe even if many of them have deceived themselves that they've overcome the Abrahamic one-god; unable to accept that dualism is an organic method - representational - of making sense of a fluid existence.
They still function within the secular paradigm of absolute one/nil which is but a adaptation of the Magian God/Satan icons/idols.

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If it weren't for the invention of cameras and technologies to copy and save imagery, Heidegger would have been 'rehabilitated' and spin-doctored into a modern day Magian super-hero - defender of the weak and the idiotic.
As things stand all they can do is sell us on the idea that our senses evolved to trick us, rather than aid us; what we see is illusory, and what looks different is really the same.
Things were easier in the past for degenerate cowards and desperate propagandists.
They reinvented Nietzsche, they are reinventing Jesus...but there were no images or technologies to copy sound and imagery back then. All they had to do, to rehabilitate them, was verbal acrobatics, hammered in over decades of persistent repeated lies.
Saul - a.k.a., Peter, reinvented Jesus to establish the antithesis of what he preached by just reinterpreted his already allegorical sermons. They've done the same with Nietzsche's aphoristic prose.
They can't do it any longer because of the aforementioned technological advancements. Now they've adapted, and adopted other methods, like undermining families and fathers (Freud), undermining society (Horkheimer, Adorno, Marcuse), undermining language (Wittgenstein), undermining economies (Marx).
We live in a world where our own senses are, supposedly, not to be trusted.
Their taking a different route.

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PostSubject: Re: Nihilism Nihilism - Page 4 EmptyWed Jun 19, 2019 11:26 am

If one reads into the concept of 'eternal return' an eternal repetition of your won existence, then it replaces the 'eternal afterlife'.
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Transformation of Magian world view from religious to secular forms

-Paradise was brought 'down to earth' and projected into the eternally immanent 'future'; it became ideology and was renamed 'Utopia'. From the 'beyond space/time' it transformed into an 'imminent' forever 'coming' future - see Spinoza.

-Arrogance compensating for a deep sense of insecurity, transformed 'eternal afterlife' into an 'eternal; return', where the individual accepted the idea that its 'life' deserved either to be preserved forever or to be repeated indefinitely.
Notwithstanding any alternate interpretation of Nietzsche's 'motive'.

-The 'absence of absolutes' was 'corrected' with mental abstractions, inventing the idea/ideal of a one-god, i.e., personification of the absolute; this was transformed to the more abstract form of 'absolute order', both implying and being supportive towards the aforementioned.

-Philosophy became politics; Church merged with State, and was not separated - the declared 'death of the one-god' only pronounced its 'rebirth' as predicted in Biblical allegory in the passion of Christ.
-World was transformed to humanity, ensuring a reference for the aforementioned 'absolute'; creating an organic echo-chamber, i.e., a world womb named uni-verse.

-Logos was transformed from linguistic to mathematical; God/Satan, good/evil, became 1/0, i.e., binary logic was maintained, along with the dualities it validated.

-Reason became a synonym for a transcendental truth awaiting to be discovering - beneath the apparent lie in hiding a complexity of order - omniscience and omnipotence was preserved as immanent probabilities. If the Abrahamic one-god was 'dead' then his 'second coming' could be expected, or man would ascend to become its embodiment, i.e., the 'Last Man' is the prelude to the 'end of times - Armageddon, Nirvana....never to suffer a rebirth again, means never to suffer the experience of existing again; a secret death wish.
here a different reading of cosmic Hindu cycles may prove useful, i.e., what is repeated is existence...not the existent - so nobody relives his/her life, but other forms of life emerge in some of the cycles.

-Multiplicity became a singularity, by a clever 'sleight' of mind trick: mind projected itself 'outside' existence, and conceptualized 'existence' as a 'whole'.
it then mistook its own trick for something profoundly insightful - all errors proceed from there, producing mind/body dissonance, and intellectual paradoxes.
Viewed from within existence there is no 'whole'; viewed from the theoretical (noetic) 'outside' all is one.

A horrible perspective few can endure, ergo the unendurable has to be placated with lies.
Insecurity is exposed to what it secretly fears and cannot openly speak of - a secret doubt.
Nihilism, as I've noted, emerges along with awareness of self, as a method of coping.
It cannot be defeated because it is, for most, a matter of sanity and survival.
Nihilism usurps the real with an ideal - integrating language - including the concept of nihilism - into its duplicitous inversions.Therefore, is it popular and seductive for the majority.
A lie wise men propagate, knowing that if the lie were exposed insanity would ensue - civilization would collapse.
Some 'truths; only a few can endure...and they suffer a price for their constitution.
See how many famous philosophers never married or had children and how many went insane, or died young.
Socrates discovered this with his return to Athens. He then promoted the one-god he discovered when in Thrace by a certain Zalmoxis - presumably a Persian or a Thracian who had come in contact with a fermenting monotheism, i.e., Zoroastrianism.
Our modern trio - i.e., Judaism, Christianity, Islam - are derivatives.

Buddhism is to Hinduism what Christianity is to Paganism - Aryan spirituality. A compromise enabling the masses to remain humble, malleable and controllable.
It emerges in a region that suffered population pressures before they became a 'problem' for the west.  

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Inverted Time
An aspect of Nihilism, which I've not yet thoroughly explored, is how it relates to time. We live in a Nihilistic Puritan-Jewish culture – i.e., American, western, modern – with a particular conception of time which is the inversion of the actual.
In this mindset time is linear and always proceeding towards the 'positive – advancing towards god. For this reason Modern conceive of the future, or the current, as being 'better' than the past. They call this "monotonic" (see Gregory Bateson) conception of time 'progress' – therefore all change is for the better.
In fact, if we've understood what time is, and what the absence of an absolute implies, we are moving away from the 'positive,’ i.e., near absolute point of unity - Big Bang. In Biblical terms we've been expelled from God's Eden and are now tumbling away, not towards his salvation. In metaphysical terms, chaos is increasing, and/or order is decreasing, as time goes on and space expands.
Man creates a localized excess of order by harvesting it and accumulating it, and adjusting it to his needs/desires, to create a superabundance of it – a cocoon. This creates the illusion that order is increasing, as times proceeds, but cyclical time implies the contrary, i.e., that what advances must recede and what is constructed will be destroyed. Not all that it’s modern is 'better' than what preceded it.
Dugin applies it to his multi-polar world-views, contrasting it with Globalization, i.e., Americanization. He correctly identifies Liberalism as racist, because it imposes its world-view and its lifestyles on other peoples, under the premise that its own is superior, or more 'advanced' than theirs. The idea is based on the prejudiced presumption that advancement is 'superior', even when it creates environmental imbalances.
We live in a system which measures itself by how much wealth it accumulates - and by how much its economy grows. This is a disruptive and self-destructive idea.
Potlatch was practiced by the 'primitives' – i.e., pagans – because they recognized that accumulating wealth denies it to another, creating an environmental disharmony, so they expunged excess in displays of 'giving' and sharing, competing over who was more generous and who had more to splurge and give away. This is antithetical to our modern way of thinking. We accumulate, like misers – gathering and hoarding because our spirit has been corrupted by an Asiatic mindset based on victimhood, insecurity and resentment.
Time is not proceeding towards the 'positive' but towards the 'negative' and this is why life is agon, struggle. Existence is tending towards absolute chaos, and it is this process which will birth new beginnings, repeating the cosmic cycles.

To describe it in yet another context... Newtonian physics is gradually giving way to quantum foam.

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Camus, Albert wrote:
That is the answer to the question which is always being asked: why has the revolutionary movement identified itself with materialism rather than with idealism? Because to conquer God, to make Him a slave, amounts to abolishing the transcendence that kept the former masters in power and to preparing, with the ascendency of the new tyrants, the advent of the man-king. When poverty is abolished, when the contradictions of history are resolved, ‘the real god, the human god, will be the State.’ Then homo homini lupus becomes homo homini deus. This concept is at the root of the contemporary world. With Feuerbach, we assist at the birth of a terrible form of optimism which we can still observe at work today and which seems to be the very antithesis of nihilist despair. But this only in appearance. We must know Feuerbach’s final conclusion in this Theogony to perceive the profoundly nihilistic derivation of his inflamed imagination. In effect, Feuerbach affirms, in the face of Hegel, that man is only what he eats, and thus recapitulates his ideas and predicts the future in the following phrase:

Feuerbach wrote:
The true philosophy is the negation of philosophy. No religion is my religion. No philosophy is my philosophy.

And a cynic is born.
An anarchist, negating all, and totally dependent on the State and the status quo it maintains.

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PostSubject: Re: Nihilism Nihilism - Page 4 EmptyThu Jun 27, 2019 7:47 am

A Nihilists is confidence in his inferiority.
he has nothing new or profound to offer, but only to cast aspersions and to negate whatever is presented, in the defence of an already established status quo, usually deferring to a popularity standard or what is 'in fashion' in the time and place he emerges within.
it does not matter where and when...Nihilists emerged throughout history, each with the same feminine psychology of surrendering to a 'masculine authority'.
The authority's name has changed, and the description used to allude to his absent 'presence' - if not God, then Humanity; if not God's will, then some universal will describing a universal totalitarianism no manmade system could ever match.

His 'icons', - whether he calls them 'prophets' or 'priest's' are always those justifying submission to a 'higher authority'; his 'idols' whether he calls them 'philosophers' or 'saints' are always those who validate his private helplessness and secret desire to give-into another's will without it being 'obvious'.

How does a female, or a child, deal with an external threat?
By talking loudly, while standing behind a representative of a collective will.

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PostSubject: Re: Nihilism Nihilism - Page 4 EmptySun Jun 30, 2019 3:52 pm

Indo-European spirituality is - paganism, Arianism - is genetic, first and foremost.
Memes are but extensions of a preceding inheritance - memories stored as DNA.
Bottom<>Up
Past, through presence, towards future.

Nihilism, beginning, in the west, with Zoroastrianism and then spreading through Judaism into Christianity and Islam, and finally secularized in modern times as Marxism and Transhumanism, inverts the sequence - Top<>down - beginning with the meme, i.e., the idea/ideal, the ideology, dogma.
Its main focus is the survival of the idea, even at the cost of the population within which it first arose, as a coping method.
The corporeal, the tangible, the phenomenon, is irrelevant, when the ideology is in question - abstraction void of all tangible corporeality is what they call 'Divine'.
In Biblical terms, Jesus dies, as man, to be reborn as idea - eternal, vague enough to remain 'perfect'; obscure enough to resist all critiques.
This is the Magian inheritance.
Through it Semites became Jews, and Greeks became Christians.

To put it bluntly, Nihilism - religious or secular - begins with the word - logos, as a mystical force, an absolute; for the healthy, the pre-Judeo-Christian, logos refers to a process - logic, disciplining mind to natural order, verbal expression, artistry representing observable phenomena, reason, disciplining mind to precedent, causality.

Of course, every age has its herd psychology- its masses of mediocrity, so every age has to reduce the lingo to a mystifying insinuation, so as to evoke discipline to the rule of law, as if they were a reflection of godly laws.  
To this day the average dolt does not trust antsiest, taking himself as an example, because he intuitively knows that if he were not dominated by the fear of god he would rape and pillage, like a madman - that is, if he did not believe in the literal understanding of metaphors and allegories, he would go insane.

Those mediocre masses are those who fell for Christianity...and to this day they follow the most positive and literal interpretation of text - inartistic, falling 'victim' to linguistic charlatans.

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Having properly defined and understood the meme-virus - nihilism - and the meme-parasite - symbiont - we can see how the parasite is also a 'victim' of the virus, only instead of striving to re-turn to health it has embraced its illness, and converted it into a tool aiding in its parasitical survival strategy; sacrificing its past identity - the one that was exposed as unable to compete - it has found a new identity through its synthesis with its own insecurity; its shame has been inverted to pride, its shamelessness a new standard, its victimhood a new kind of predation, its illness an updated kind of health.

It's chosen King of all earthly kings is nothing more than a representation of its new-found ideology - its reinvented identity.
It is no longer Tribe producing ideas/ideals, relating to reality, but an idea/ideal attempting to become a tribe, creating its own alternate reality.
This is its Magic.

It finds desperate ears among all the peoples of the world, throughout every age and across all geographical areas.
So, seductively popular its method has become that it becomes elitist, to remain district; it becomes arrogant...sounding the beginning of its end.

The cycle repeats.

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The Nihilists asserts that 'absence of evidence' is not 'evidence of absence' proposing the absurdity, and anti-empirical, presence despite absence, or presence through absence of evidence.
A very Abrahamic position.
It proposes the all-validating absurdity that all exists, until proven otherwise - guilty until proven innocent.
The starting premise is the Idea/Ideal, as positive, as existing - Top<>Down emoting.
All exist as idea, therefore until proven otherwise, all is potentially real, if it can be thought and the thought given a symbol/word - named.

Why emoting and to thinking....because how else can an absurdity with no evidence validate itself other than connecting its concepts to emotions, to abstraction....back upon itself - solipsism.
The organism justifies its ideas by referring them back into itself - using another as a proxy, completely evading the objective world.
All becomes inter-subjective...existing in some mind.

Everything is projected, noetically into the future....its validation postponed indefinitely, thusly avoiding critique and the necessity of evidence.
Evidence is immanent. It is forthcoming.
Since every idiocy can be validated in this way, it attracts idiots to its calling.
Do leprechauns exist?
Yes....because 'absence of evidence' is not 'evidence of absence'.  
The absent absolute exists....as idea/ideal....like the Leprechauns, and Unicorns....and Satyrs.
A child's world.....full of magic.

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Inversion
Nihilist takes an idea/ideal, gives it a symbol/name, to make it appear - to make it apparent as symbol.
Then she affirms and confirms it using the experienced real.

Top<>Down.
'Absence of evidence' - i.e., affirmation confirmation - does not discredit the idea/ideal - it is not 'evidence of absence'.
The idea/ideal is sacred - pure, divine, void of all tangible imperfections.
The symbol/word - name - is evidence of its existence.

Ergo, absolute is nowhere in evidence, yet the idea/ideal is divine - existing in mind as a obscure vague sensation - an abstraction seeking tangible evidence; it exists as the mind's declaration of its need for 'certainty'; as an emotional appeal expressing the absent absoluteness.
It is absolutely certain. it is an absolute truth.
Probability made into a hyperbole compensating for doubt - for insecurity.

Divine = of the mind. Abstraction.
The more detached from the real it is the more sacred it becomes - ideal/ideology.
Reality is the illusory - Satanic trickster.
Underneath the Devil lies God in waiting - inversion of 'underneath' to 'above'.
Metaphysics usurps physics.
The idea/ideal - logos - precedes the real.

In the mind reality can be synthesized and inverted at will.
Man is master of his own inner world.
God, absolute order, is a projection of this ' totalitarian authority' outward - externalized via art.

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What is the fundamental core component of nihilism?
Inversion, yes....of what?
The noumenon/phenomenon relationship - correlating to Top<>Down 7 Bottom<>Up reasoning.

What does a nihilist desperately need to cope with a fluctuating, uncertain, reality?
he needs something stable, certain, absolute. but where can he find it when it is nowhere in evidence?
He construct sit, in his mind, and then projects it into reality as a more real underlying reality; it manufactures an abstraction representing, vaguely and obscurely, the absolute he so desires, and then declares it more real than the experienced, and the experienced he declares an illusion, or superficial, or a trick.
He would rather believe his senses evolved to fool him than to go on exiting without the absolute.

Whatever form it takes, the tracks can be followed...from Magian, to Hebrew, to Christian, to Marxism, to secular post-modern updates.
Call it god, or order....call it love. Doesn't matter what you call it when the core remains unaltered...immutable.....certain.
A modern can convince himself that he's over Christianity, but he has simply updated the lingo - made it more sexy and cool, distancing it from its failed shameful past.

The Magian and Abrahamic one-god will never die. He's become ideology, spreading from mind to mind, across the ages; wearing new garments, acquiring new names....seducing the same wanton spirits, the same desperate degenerates, the same ready and willing psychologies.
These masses can only be exploited and manipulated, because they cannot be changed.
If you can swallow your pride and buy into their desperate, self-deceiving convictions, you can exploit the same need that lead them to their absolutist beliefs.

I mean, they are screaming for domination, but their ego cannot endure hearing it expressed clearly and openly.
They ache for daddy, some father-figure, a leader, but their ego insists that he be dead before they give-in.
A Catch-22.


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We have to explore what nihilism offers psychologically to the believer by honestly and clearly assessing what the mass appeal of a one-god, an Abrahamic god.
God is replaced by Order - both absolute; one cosnciuos the other not necessarily - although some insist that lifeless matter have conciousness, or conciousness ought to be external, outside the mind.

Eternal return is a secular alternative to eternal life - it replaces a beyond space time with a repeating circularity of the same - essentially the believer lives forever, lives the same life over and over again, but does not know it.
No big deal...what matters is the belief that after you die you get to lvie again....forever.

God offers an external cause to absolve the individual from all responsibility - attaining innocence.
This is so soothing to an individual that has been born to poor genetic stock and has failed to judge his circumstances without ego getting in the way - or some emotion like fear.
The idea that it wasn't really your fault, and that it could not have been any other way, is enough of a reason, by itself, to return to another version of Jesus.
I've been tempted myself.  

The idea that behind all your suffering and pains lies a good reason - that it wasn't all for naught.
That's a good one, as well. it gives the mind a boost of energy helping it endure. It's all for a reason, something lies behind all this crap; this is part of some plan.

And of course last but not leas, by a long shot, the follow-up of innocence is victimhood.
Why must the individual endure an external order, if he cannot find some pride in his endurance?
he can take the abuse someone else, something else, is forcing him to endure....and he but an innocent victim doing the best he can to hold it together.
The abusive other need not be cosnciuos, it could be unconscious, brutal unforgiving order. What matters is that the individual is not at fault; he had nothing to do with what is happening to him; he was never asked, and so he cannot be held accountable...not to any small degree.


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Claiming one is 'balanced' by destroying all distinction is like claiming a lyre's string is perfectly balanced by cutting off both its ends.
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