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PostSubject: Re: Nihilism: Signs & Symptoms Wed Feb 24, 2016 2:49 pm

Feminization, the genetic manifestation of the Nihilistic meme, becomes most pronounced when discussing nature.
Though describing feminine tactics and compensating genetic measures, is considered tolerable, quaint, fascinating, if you veer into male tactics, and compensating measures, the infantile, the feminine, the emasculated become defensive - their catty psychology arches its back, hairs standing on end, adding volume to their smallness of mind; they hiss, try to gather companions for the counter-attack, resort to dramatics, using feminine psychological tactics trying to shame and belittle indirectly, sexually.

You can spot them then, beneath their adopted identities....little pussy-cats, wearing dog fur...the most insecure daring the more ostentatious wolf hair.

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PostSubject: Re: Nihilism: Signs & Symptoms Mon Apr 04, 2016 7:52 am

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PostSubject: Re: Nihilism: Signs & Symptoms Mon Apr 04, 2016 8:27 am

Using symbols/metaphors with no contact to the world beyond human artifices, the Nihilist priest makes himself the "authority", for validation, and points to others as comparative authorities.

Pagan has no need for such devices. World speaks and appears, he listens and sees, and simply exposes what all can see for themselves, requiring no proxy, no trustworthy mediator, no erotic component.  


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PostSubject: Re: Nihilism: Signs & Symptoms Mon Apr 04, 2016 10:26 am

So obsessed with the idea(l) of benefits with no costs, or minimal, insignificant sacrifices, that they feel no shame in resorting to words with no references, to accomplish their goals, and consider all mentioning of costs, and repercussions, as being uncivil and a product of "illness".

In heir "world" health is related to remaining child-like, romantically naive, positive in your nihilism, full of boyish playfulness, using words like legos: one fitting into the other forming into a tiny, plastic, structure they can noetically enter - shrinking themselves into the lowest-common-denominator, and/or their little caricature: tiny little plastic figurine representing them in this little world of flexible, colourful, plastic.




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PostSubject: Re: Nihilism: Signs & Symptoms Mon Apr 04, 2016 3:49 pm

From the school of tolerance and "benefit of the doubt" uniform multiplicity (linguistic paradox), we get the defensive counter to an argument which uses conviction of one's superiority as evidence of its error.
This, also, from the confused classroom of cAnus "logic": if you insist that your positions are superior, then you are in the wrong - the "correct" way is to doubt yourself and your own beliefs, and allowing multiplicity of subjectivities their place in the sun of hypotheticals.

Nihilism begins with the premise that there is no way to determine which subjective perspective is good/bad, unless it comes from a institution representing inter-subjective consensus, usually excluding anything problematic to group harmony and "equality" in respectability.
denial of this "right", god-given or not, constitutes a "hate crime".
All deserve the "pursuit of happiness' and if respect is part of it then all deserve respect.

Since respect is based on intimidation, the threat of taking away or denying the other what he or she considers valuable, then respect for all must be manufactured by the system, as a threat.

To not abide to bend to this threat makes you 'ill", or, at least, following some alternate motive not sanctioned or approved by the consensus - placing you "outside" their jurisdiction - a free-radical with potential consequences.
Therefore, slandering is a preventative method of softening the threat.
When no counter-arguments can be offered to the threat, the target becomes the source - insinuation, innuendo, theoretical dysfunctions, and an assumed "fear" for whatever is ex[posed - If you expose homosexuality the  homophobia, and if you expose race, then fear of diversity and of Negroes, and if you expose the female gender then misogyny, or some sexual hangup.

The desirable result being "silence", or repression, of what is perceived - anything that denies universal love, happiness, respect, food, safety, the fundamental to life, for a social organism, will be dealt with directly.
the motive: whomever prevents the other from participating and receiving what (s)he needs to be happy, like respect, the illusion that he is intellectually worth listening to, is suffering from a social or physical (memetic/genetic) disease.
Health being inverted to mean all-inclusion - the opposite of natural selection and the way of the world.

The exclusionary nature of memetic/genetic discrimination (choice) converted internally into the reverse: all inclusion, non-discrimination.
god of "love" gives love to the unlovable....and the worthless must be given some value, as an innate aspect of being born, of existing.
The desired outcome, the idea(l), is the starting "fact", the given, the word.
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He who dares speaks of such things, openly, and honestly, is either a madman or a god, or worse...a philosopher.
 


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PostSubject: Re: Nihilism: Signs & Symptoms Mon Apr 04, 2016 5:07 pm

Simple dichotomy of nihilism, in its modern form...


All is as it is, appearance, natural selection discrimination etc....except when it comes to humans. Humans are the exception.
Where all can be categorized and ordered, humans are the epitome of chaos - or self-creating they decide what they are, what they identify as, how they look, what their possibilities are, what words/names apply to them etc.
With humans all bets are off, being so unpredictable as to evade all understanding.
They are born with an innate guaranteed value (from the powers that be), detached from the gold standard {any idea(l)}, but fluctuating according to exchange rates, based on demand (which can be manufactured and directed)....they are all deserving of love and respect, to be listened to and humoured, if need be, but not excluded from any serious conversation....they are all worthy of be replicated, or saved from mortal abyss, made timeless, particularly by a priest serving the God of love and the given, god of words, of THE word.
Who can deny such positive messages?
The sick?
The hateful?
The deranged?
What could be wrong with the one who rejects such pleasing words?

With words he shall bless you and give you eternal bliss and endless life; with words the past will b healed away and buried under mountainous sentences.
With words all should be made as one, all differences erased.  


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PostSubject: Re: Nihilism: Signs & Symptoms Mon Apr 04, 2016 6:33 pm

Humility is so ingrained in the psyche of the victim, the perpetual modern, always up-to-date in his moral and social popular trends, that it it taken for granted.
No matter how weak and baseless, the counter to an argument is, the one assaulted with stupidity, and character assassination attempts, is to show magnanimous forgiveness, a Christian-like, self-sacrifice in the face of need screaming for special considerations and a way out.

A well-crafted argument, full of evidence and logic, can be dismissed on emotional criteria, or redirected using a theoretical evaluation of motives, before it is even considered as plausible.
To this childish meth the one attacked must show the forbearance of a parent towards his children.
The denier acquires the moral position of adolescent, and must be dealt with using the soft gloves of a caring spirit that does not wish to damage a rumbustious mind, full of ambitions and hope.  

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The illusion of salvageable material keeping the pretenses going, when all that is happening is a bunch of needy minds using someone more sick than them to maintain the promise of their own intellect.
For these Moderns keeping the town fool around and multiplying, to dominate the town, is what keep their ego up above, and their sense of self-gratifying altruism rubbing up against its inflated engorgement - hard and stiff, afraid of stiffness that threatens their own with flaccidity.
Instead of dismissing the weak, the idiotic, from their midst, to ascend higher, they prevent such ascent, in the name of progress as one unity - nobody shall be left behind - afraid that if enough fools are driven away they will find themselves at the bottom.
It's why Capitalism needs a middle-class as buffering middle ground where dreams come to die.

The wonderful about this dis-ease of the mind (memetic) is that you need not intrude, to break the cycles.
It's a self-contained, inter-subjective, world on its own.
Why change it, even if you had a chance to break through those linguistic safety nets they depend upon to remain sane and able to deal with their existence.
The fools enter, to reduce it all down to a endless seeking of the lowest-common-denominator, the ones fancying themselves as humbly superior, not using those words openly, forced to abide by their own nihilistic ideals, and remain tolerant and respectful and forever forgiving and accepting of diversity.
Their only way out of this impasse is those institutionally and popularly accepted authorities, intervening to break the stalemates with their expertise - usually dead minds that cannot be accused of self-serving motives.
Philosophy as mind-candy, or academic debates over who said what, what he meant, and how he saw reality....ironically a reality that goes by, unnoticed by these blind bats, because they do not dare to look or to speculate or to stand by their judgments....wanting another to stand behind.
Mistakes absorbed by this chosen other, as if no judgment is at work in choosing your leader, or who best expresses your spirit.

With no world, no objective way to measure judgments, for them, they can only speculate using second-hand experiences, adopting them as their own, and then, like women who find a superior male has taken over, quickly shifting perspectives, and finding a new hero, a new leader, speaking a new truth.
Only this "new" is old.
The packaging may change, the titles, the names...but its basis is the same disconnect from phenomena.
With every reinvention the same nihilism is reborn...free of all past/nature to limit the usage of words (except the dictionary preventing babel from being reduced to total rubble) and the projection of objectives.
   

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PostSubject: Re: Nihilism: Signs & Symptoms Tue Apr 05, 2016 11:29 am

The greatest benefit of subjectivty is the absence of seriousness, the necessity to test one's interpretations (abstractions) against reality, or even other interpretations of it.
No longer a matter of life-or-death.
In fact you can live out a lifetime being completely void of understanding, and most people do just that.
They can afford to remain adolescent, exploring hypothetical possibilities, playing with ideas...nothing is of importance so why not just adopt the idea and the identity that flatters our childish needs the best?
 
The mind, safe and protected from its own delusions, its own errors, need not go into the trouble of assessing the validity of its own perspective.
It can live, a lifetime, repeating mental victories against foes it dares not face. It can be anything, not caring what anyone says.
This is part of its "freedom" of self-creation, its self-identifying liberties.
It has purchased relative immunity, with years of hark work and loyal servitude - it has earned its "right" to think whatever it wants, pretend it is anything it wants, defeat enemies, and crown itself king.
If it does not challenge the institution that provide this service, in return for its work and loyalty, it can delude itself, and numb itself, and escape using any permissible escapism available...and nothing and nobody can ever burst its bubble.

Safe within its own investments, it dreams, and fantasizes, and rejects the apparent reminding it of a past/nature money cannot buy a way out of.
But...at least it has a lifetime, or what is left of it.

Retardation is not simply an insult, it is a honest description of the Modern condition: stunted, in joyous, carefree, infantile exploration "freedom".
What risks?
The institutions have safeguards for all forms of stupidity, and if you are able and willing to work, hard, you can earn multiple a compensating technique/technologies to not have to care about past/nature - making Know Thyself a meditative, escape....calming those recurring doubts.

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PostSubject: Re: Nihilism: Signs & Symptoms Tue Apr 05, 2016 12:22 pm

As I've said numerous times in the past...

For the positive Nihilist words are not only weapons, but tools shaped into plastic toys...used not to clarify, to nu-conceal, but to obfuscate, to cover-up to imply without stating.
Like some of those "artists" on the pseudo-intellectual circuit splashing colour on canvas and then expecting the observer to "see" things in the mess, the arts intended to say nothing and anything, exploiting the power of suggestion, like those mind-readers and/or astrologers.

A general insinuating usage of word/symbol used to confuse, to imply and say no-thing.
This retains the possibility for plausible deniability, when cornered denying that you means what you did (this magic can do no wrong, and when it does it is intentional, sort of like the Christian God). Denying that you meant what the other exposed as absurd....is truly magical....and then not clarifying but leaving it at that.

It hides the quality of the mind manipulating vanity and ego, stimulating the imagination of the observer, to then claim that he intended whatever the other saw in what is presented.  
A simpleton can imply he is sophisticated and complex by remaining as vague and obscure as possible, throwing out words to help the other latch onto, directing him to whatever he hides inside.

This linguistic technique was not invented by those who used it no write the Bible, but it comes from earlier, with the Oracles of Delphi and then later used by Nostradamus.
Using words to produce confusion, with a few placed there to lead the mind towards a desirable outcome - some soothing, flattering outcome.

The opposite of the philosophical motive, with its integrity and commitment to un-covering, using a feeble tool such as language.
Exploiting subjectivty, by using what is common to all, being part of the same meme, and having the same genes, is what the "trick is".
Manipulating emotions, particularly fear, and vanity, and basic human organic needs, desires.
The Nihilist coward, knowing that if he were to speak clearly and honestly he would be exposed, and laughed at, hides in verbal innuendo - clouds of insinuating unclear meanings.
Language, being an art-form, connects with all art-forms that use abstractions with no references, with vague insinuations, as nothing more than this: selling to the masses their own vanity, anxieties, hopes.

All one requires is a talent for word manipulation, and the shamelessness to apply it for personal gain.  

That's why I say the motive of the user of words, the artist, is exposed in the outcome.
you can hear when an album was written when the musician had to fulfill a contract, when you compare it to the music he wrote before he was signed up and wrote because he had to, not to earn a buck.

It's one thing to use interpretations of reality to represent reality, and fail to project the metaphor so that the observer can relate, and another when you start with the intention of using metaphors, and words triggering emotions/sensations, to evade lucidity, and to produce, in the observer, confusion not clarity - stimulating, with carefully placed words, internal desires to direct him to see in your art whatever the observer projects there, and then convincing him that it was you, and not he, who put it there - the magicians motive is to be appreciated highly, as the only diviner of cosmic understanding, secret truths only he can read, and because he is needed, to then charge the naive access to his "wisdom".

Same trick they played with usury...and the abstraction of money.
Convince the masses that this abstraction which no longer even represents real resources, has the power to heal whatever ails him, has the power to make dreams real, has the power to give him love and make him desirable, the power to offer him an escape from whatever past he cannot escape on his own, and you have yourself a wage slave
Make money, the concept of it, so abstract as to represents whatever the other sees in it, feels in it...then charge him access to this magical abstraction, this token and talisman, this idol, this code....Keep him enslaved to the abstraction, the word ---- and what was the first word?
God.
A personal absolute, that can be anything for anyone...at nay time.
A cosmopolitan salvation idol, Christ offered, wrenching it away from the usurers who claimed it as their own - no need to buy access to the word, Jesus preached, the code, the talisman of salvation is accessible to all with a pure (naive) spirit, erasing all past/nature....you can have a direct personal relationship with the almighty ONE (monopoly)....
But...what did Saul do?
He returned the idol to the usurers to begin charging fees.
And so the preacher was born, and the banker.  

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PostSubject: Re: Nihilism: Signs & Symptoms Fri Apr 15, 2016 6:02 am

How would a nihilist, denying the nature of reality, survive within it?

By contradicting himself, by lying, by using double standards and then excusing himself from being judged in accordance with his own morals.

Detaching from a world indifferent to your well-being, may presuppose a naive belief that world is benevolent, or, at least, balanced towards your interests, but if this belief is taken to heart, you will suffer.
At some point the Nihilists idealism succumbs to basic survival, and the one professing universal "love" goes off to kill on behalf of his own "love", and the one believing in life after death must be given an excuse not to commit suicide, and the madman living in his own reality must accuse others, as agencies of this denied reality, of all kinds of nasty things, never self as mistaken, as insane, and the hypocrite declaring appearances as being superficial and not judging "books" by their covers, presumably only books, then judges using appearance every single day of his life, or he suffers the consequences.

more than sheltering, protecting insanity from itself, the nihilist has to contradict his own principles to get by in a world he wants to be partially blind to.
His romantic idealism may work when surrounded by those who care for his well-being, or share in his insanity, and if he is also protected from himself, but for how long?
Youthful idealism is replaced by the sobriety of maturity.
Not always lucid, but clever enough to apply his earlier idealism selectively.
An older man has picked up methods he did not have when younger, to remain as detached as possible, because his need to escape remains.
His constitution that could not tolerate world, if anything, wanes, over time, and he has to lie more cleverly to himself, acquiring some tricks to be more convincing, or a entourage of the like-minded where his lies are humoured and shared and offered positive reinforcement.

Word-games, verbal acrobatics, as I've called them, where words remain vague to preserve their flexibility, or used to flip around contexts chasing your tail in circles, are the most valuable tool in a modern's tool-belt.
Without them he would go insane.
Words, as symbols, engulfing him in a uni-verse of supporting semiotics.
but his symbols have no power outside his mind, forcing him to seek like-minded individuals, creating a self-referential community of Nihilists, detaching, in unison, from a distressful world still indifferent to their well-being.
In the presence of such company the lie, the delusion, is no longer a source of shame, but of pride.
Christians who follow the "love thy neighbour" command, gleefully advocating capital punishment, and war against infidels.
This is mass-madness.
A collective of detached from reality minds rallying each other into fits of raging madness, in contradiction to their own principles, ideals, morals.

Yes, a nihilist, a modern, can verbally say anything, living in his own subjective world, but he must act contrary to his own words, if he is to survive in a world where rejection of what is is followed by a severe cost.
Modern systems, Modern mindsets, are all about pretenses and the perfect lie.
Faked civility, faked interest, faked altruism, faked morality, faked intelligence, faked humility, faked pride.

They contradict themselves constantly, using cynicism to redirect and cover up guilt and shame. Those few who do not they call saints, or martyrs, and in private they call them fools

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PostSubject: Re: Nihilism: Signs & Symptoms Mon Apr 18, 2016 1:51 pm

The absence, lack, of an absolute, felt as need/suffering, is the root cause of this antagonistic relationship between ordering organism and disordering and/or fluctuating world.
Struggling to against this is agon.
An ongoing warfare or a struggle to increase one's order while attrition wears it away.

The Nihilist/Modern calls this absence a "nil" , having already decided it ought to be there.
Lacking it in self, and not discovering it outside self, it relates to world as a negative, and to his own abstractions as the missing "positive".



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PostSubject: Re: Nihilism: Signs & Symptoms Thu Apr 21, 2016 2:45 pm

With Moderns, the latest and last manifestation of Nihilism, you must always remember, that words are how they inflate or deflate their actions.
They are worthless if you wish to evaluate their essence as individuals, and to predict their future (inter)activities.
Words, being plastic, toys, are used like any spineless cephalapod mollusk uses ink, to cloud the waters, and run to hide.
Do not be distracted by their ploys, as you ought not to be by those used by children and women.

Their actions expose them, and define them.

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PostSubject: Re: Nihilism: Signs & Symptoms Wed May 18, 2016 5:04 pm

Nihilism's strength is, at the same time, its weakness, reflecting its linguistic/symbolic inversions of the real.

It's weakens is its dependence on weakness, its appeal to mental or physical inferiority/insecurity, in all men, in relation to world that threatens life's ordering, particularly those born in Modern times when sheltering has protected unfit, weak, mutations, from facing their natural costs, permitting them, with for a price, to enjoy artificial benefits.

It speaks to the deepest human anxiety/fear, founded on primordial drives to survive; the desire to live placed on a pedestal of conformity, and in the absenc eof past/nature and of any connecting ideals to enjoy, to surrender t the pleasure of existing, as an end in itself.

With its linguistic contradictions/inversions it offers a noetic (ideal) alternative to the real, either in the here/now and immediate future (Utopia) or in the beyond (Paradise), in the unprecedented.

It feeds into simplicity, confusing representation/art, the noumenon, for the phenomenon, the apparent, reducing it all to a subjective decision, a creative will fabricating its own world, as if it were already God.

It sways between emotion and reason, sometimes laying claim to the irrational, the supernatural, the feelings of esoteric hierarchies, and at other times evading exposure by laying claim to empiricism and the exoteric hierarchies - shifting between noumenon and phenomenon it builds its sensationalism in ambiguity, and being forever misunderstood, by the "unworthy", the unfaithful.
Obfuscation is how it retains its seductive promise.
Clarity would expose its visceral, primal, motives and methods.
It is distinctly and proudly anti-philosophical, anti-intellectual, because lucidity would diminish its power over human feebleness.
It's power to stir internal sensations, emotions, that have to be felt, and not understood - the experience has to be personal.

It is forced to lie and pretend, so as to survive within a world it rejects, a reality it denounces, calling it illusion, nurturing itself on paradoxes it constructs.
It can name itself anything, at any time, with no shame, because words need not refer to deeds, so while it calls itself "beyond good and evil" it depends on this religious designation to convert shame into pride, supported numerically, using quantities to compensate for qualities - a kingdom of delusional disillusionment.
All can be reinterpreted when there is nothing to limit the mind's creativity; when there is nothing to discipline the mind to the world.
It has to lie when its manipulation of meekness and humility become power and pride it has to harness and direct.

But this is also its strength.  
Who it overpowers is a matter of strength weakness - its identification with negativity or positivity a relationship between unequal minds.
"Negative" what a weaker mind cannot endure, threatening its well-being.
"Positive" what can be endured and used to produce strength in relation to other - how much reality can one endure before breaking, how much life can one live, how much can one see before the brain shatters, and goes blind?
The common man must have this reduced to symbols it can digest: good/evil, positive/negative, God/Satan, one/nil.

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PostSubject: Re: Nihilism: Signs & Symptoms Thu May 19, 2016 5:45 pm

What the mind cannot find in itself, what it cannot construct by itself, from itself, it places outside itself - embraced by it, immersed in it, soon to awaken to it, to be saved by it; it gives itself to its presumed preexistence, its uni-versality.
Modern conceptions of the evil, the Christian understanding of the Devil, are expressions of intuitive self-knowledge, slowly awakening to its own nature, and the ideal, the absolute good, all that is missing within, is to be found out there, already in existence:
hope, meaning, order, authority, morality, nobility, value, love, consciousness, wholeness, oneness all externalized because they are alien to the common man - without their imagined presence, he would revert to his true essence.
Can we not see the true spirit of the average christian in his depiction of Satan, and his definition of his God?
Is not the externalized God of the Jew projections of what he cannot find in himself?
Without this One God of goodness, he can only comprehend what is most intimate to him: violence, rape, aggression, destruction, uncontrolled passions, need, fear expressed in anger, vanity, narcissism, hypocrisy, hyperbole, debauchery, animal instincts.

Have we not been warned by Plato, through Socrates' image, to not share with the young some forms of wisdom, some liberating insights?
Have we not seen in Harris' depiction of the devilish overman, a personae toying with the secret, repressed, parts of Modern man?:

Lecter, Hannibal wrote:
I can feed the caterpillar, I can whisper through the chrysalis, but what hatches follows its own nature and is beyond me.


What a Modern Nihilist fears the most is that part of himself he denies to himself; that which he has buried beneath a fabricated, adopted, character suit, and will not permit to come forth - this is why objectivity, when dealing with human nature, frightens him back into the subjectivity of the cocooned chrysalis.
He fears it in others, the most, because he cannot comprehend what is beyond his nature, and his nature terrifies him.
Pious Christians, fanatic Muslims, self assured Jews, despise the alien, the other, the infidel, the faithless.
Through him they fear themselves - hating him they love themselves - forgiving him they save themselves.          

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PostSubject: Re: Nihilism: Signs & Symptoms Thu May 19, 2016 6:21 pm

Idea(l) = the combination, and accentuation of precedent, of past/nature as it is known, understood and appreciated by the particular mind.

The organism awakening to itself (self-consciousness), takes what it finds in itself, to the degree that it is present in itself, inflates it, combines it in, sometimes, extraordinary ways, and then projects it as a desired goal, an objective.
The degree of hyperbole reflecting the organism's own appreciation of its own deficiency, in relation to the idea(l).
In Nihilists, where self-hatred has resulted in a rupture, a total detachment, the idea(l) takes on the form of the super-natural, the surreal, compensating for this deficiency in self.
All idea(l)s from morality to biology, from spirituality to politics, reflect this detachment, this desired distancing of self from self.
All that is feared as undesirable, as belonging to self, is understood as the "negative", to be denied, forgotten, dismissed, labelled evil, as bad.
All that is lacking in self is projected as a hyperbolic image, a vague concept, as the already in existence, but other than self, objective.

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PostSubject: Re: Nihilism: Signs & Symptoms Tue Jun 14, 2016 8:42 pm

Moderns, adhering to 'positive nihilism' - those who believe in the absolute, calling it god, order, thing, love, value, consciousness, one, substance, particle, or anything negating the experience of world by implying a hidden secret they cannot prove, but feel - must deny the very possibility of chaos, as randomness, because its contradicts each and every version of their divine thing.
Even the concept of order has to hide order, as complexity, or what has yet to be found.



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PostSubject: Re: Nihilism: Signs & Symptoms Tue Jun 21, 2016 3:11 pm

The cosmos void of meaning, purpose, God, telos, objective morality, or any absolute cannot be a nil, since it exists.
Nihilism associated the noumenon with the "positive", whereas it most often associates the phenomenon with the "negative".
An absence of an absolute IS existence, and the abstractions man projects are representations of it - taken literally.
Here the mind mistakes its simplifications/generalizations for what is, or what ought to be, and when it discovers that the cosmos lacks these abstractions it relates to this in a negative way - sometimes reaching the level of denial, detachment.

No absolute nil or one.

But to contradict a proposed absurdity one must do so with an equal to it absurdity.

Therefore an atheist must offer a absolute disbelief to the original absurd conception of God, in the Abrahamic sense of the word.
Christians then accuse atheists of being like themselves, faith-believers, when the first presupposition, represented by them, is already absurd, and ought not to be taken seriously.
The only reason it is, is because of its popularity, how it infects billions of imbeciles, making ti a political force, rather than a philosophical one.

the correct response of agnosticism, where the concept is given a probability.
in this case, the Abrahamic God hypothesis, lacking all evidence, all precedent, and all empirically validated experience of it, is give a probability so low that it might as well be considered an impossibility.  

But this is the challenge of all rational minds confronted with imbeciles infected with Nihilistic absolutes.
to negate the original hypothesis of an absolute, one must negate it producing the linguistic modernistic paradox of "There is absolutely no absolute" and/or "Truth is there is no truth"...proper expression would be "There is no evidence of an absolute, truth, god or by any other name, so unless the proposing mind can offer evidence of it, or a coherent argument in its support one should file it under the category of: absurd and/or nonsense"...but,a gain, because this infection is popular, and has become a political force, one must confront it, rather than give it what it is worth and ignore it.    

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PostSubject: Re: Nihilism: Signs & Symptoms Tue Jun 21, 2016 3:27 pm

Nihilism is all that denies, rejects, what is, even if this means an absence of an absolute.

The old binary 1/0 is the polar extensions of the nihilistic paradigm.
Modern kinds are trapped within its semiotics.
Essentially, they are trapped in their own noetic constructs, unable to comprehend them as interpretations, artistic representations, of a fluctuating cosmos of patterned and non-patterned dynamism.

Patterns of varying degrees of dynamism, sequences repetition, (inter)acting are what the brain interprets as the different varieties of matter/energy.
A negative attitude towards a cosmos void of meaning, purpose, god, universal morality, is itself a nihilistic attitude.

To the Abrahasmic positive Nihilism, Marxism presented an alternate, placing humanity in the place of god, bringing down to earth the notion of a beyondness Paradise, calling it a future immanent Utopia.
Marxism was the secularization of Abrahamic Nihilism.
Humanism is its most current adaptation of socioeconomic, memetic, circumstances.

Anarchy, as a byproduct of Marxism is the cynical dismissal of all human meanings, purposes, ideals, - it is perspectivism pushed to its nullifying extreme.
With no way to just quality, within the quantities, the mind refuses all ideals not of its own making, considering its own as just as valuable, just as lucid, just as applicable as any other.
In this case, as with all nihilism, the objective world is rejected as an illusion, or too complex to make sense of, because the inferior mind cannot extricate self from projection, from empathy, from imagination, and so settles upon fantasy with self as the "hero".

Unable to determine higher form lower, more probable from less probable, superior form inferior, its rejects it all, becoming a pure nihilist - destroying all variations, remaining cynically dismissive, unable to deal with the implications to its ego - it destroys, levels all down to parity, so that its own quality is lost in the dust.
It would rather negate the entire world than face its own place within it - the beginning of advancement is found in this self-knowledge.


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PostSubject: Re: Nihilism: Signs & Symptoms Tue Jun 21, 2016 3:36 pm

To, even, name the cosmos a "nil" because it does not come bearing the abstractions man needs, does not provide what man is desperate for, is the epitome of nihilism.
The Greeks called it kosmos, not uni-verse - a jewel, a ornament.
They did not expect it to provide, for them, these human constructs.
Most, at least, did not expect these construct to already exist.
They knew that ti was man who had to create them, for himself.

But not all creations are equal, are they?
A hierarchy - superior-inferior ideals.
The cosmos was the standard to measure the human idea(l)s, otherwise any madness would be just as valuable as reasoning, and there would be no need for natural selection.

The idea(l) is measured against reality, bu how many reference points it has - how many references points the noumenon has to the phenomena, and if no intervening power mitigates between actor and act, it is cosmos that determines success from failure - the outcome determining the accuracy of the projected cost/benefits.

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PostSubject: Re: Nihilism: Signs & Symptoms Tue Jun 21, 2016 3:50 pm

Positive Nihilism = There is an absolute out there (under,over, inside, hidden... ), waiting for us to discover it.
This sets-up the coming of the priest, as the self-declared, teacher, the conduit to this already existing absolute: value him, bow to him, so as to gain access to this divine Being.
Positive Nihilism can also be expressed as the "I say so" perspectivism of "Might is Right".
Unable, or unwilling to connect noumena to phenomena, unrestricted by the order in the world, the mind invents fantastic constructs - this is only possible when sheltering is present, otherwise a quick death follows - detached noumena, validating themselves by infecting as many minds as possible. .


Nihilism Proper = There is no absolute and this makes life not worth living - destroy, deny, reject, laugh at it all, slander it all - temper tantrum of a child in need and no parent there to aid it.


Nullifying the Nihilist = there are no absolutes, the very idea is ludicrous, but this is a positive...life is worth living for this reason alone.
Create meaning, purpose, but create them founded, grounded in the world, not in some noetic ethereal realm in the mind.
Build/Construct from the materials/energies, the patterns, found within world.


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PostSubject: Re: Nihilism: Signs & Symptoms Tue Jun 21, 2016 5:36 pm

Objectivity, is another word for a standard external to self - in other words WORLD, and/or REALITY.
Again.....
The noumenon confronted by the phenomenon interprets it.
Sum of all phenomena (inter)acting, is the same as saying patterns (inter)acting manifesting as presence, as appearance when interpreted by the conscious mind and converted (translated, interpreted, simplified/generalized...ABSTRACTED) to noumena.
Therefore phenomena is another word for world, for objective... the apparent.

The mind interprets, abstracts finds patterns in the (niter)activity (patterns relating), and then set a course of action, makes a choice, comes to a decision in accordance to its interpretations and the patterns it has perceived... in makes a judgment call, based on a conscious or an intuitive/instinctual, goal, objective, ideal.
It then lives with the consequences of this judgment-call, enjoying the benefits, and burdened by the costs.

Objectivity, in this case, means a subjective evaluation of world, of the (inter)acting patterns, which is closest to the objective... is more precise, more in harmony, is SUPERIOR.
It is not an absolute... since the world is fluctuating, in Flux, but neither is it a product of the subjective mind, neither is it whatever the mind prefers, wishes, hopes...

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PostSubject: Re: Nihilism: Signs & Symptoms Wed Jun 22, 2016 7:42 am

A Nihilist either outright rejects world, as it is, or he invents a concept that negates it - an idea that if it were to be made real would nullify reality, such as a singularity, another word for absolute.

Nihilism is so creative and comes in so many variations precisely because it is not limited by any external order - it is detached from any natural order which would constricts its abstractions.
It offers the creatively insane a tabula rasa to splatter their psychosis upon.
It thrives in protective environments and so it can fantasize any world negating ideal with no risks and no severe costs to the endless benefits it can imagine, because its motive is not exploration of world, engagement of the real, but play, pleasure, escape.

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PostSubject: Re: Nihilism: Signs & Symptoms Wed Jun 22, 2016 7:51 am

This detachment of the Nihilist is what he calls his "freedom", his "free-spirit".
It means freedom from a determining past, liberation from natural order.
He shares dissatisfaction of what is, hatred of self, with the multiplicity born and raised within protective circumstances, permitting unfit mutations to propagate, to become aware of their own inability to cope with a world beyond the protective shield of society.

The realist is limited by nature, by cosmic order(ing), which to the Nihilist appears as part of some "cult" because for him sheltering is an opportunity to find any narcotic, any delusion, to pass his time in a meaningless world.
The agreement of realists, the appreciation of Pagans for nature/past, is considered a waste of time, and the only way they can understand such intellectual integrity, such nobility of spirit, is by reducing it to what is intimate to them - servitude, herd psychosis.

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PostSubject: Re: Nihilism: Signs & Symptoms Wed Jun 22, 2016 8:53 am

Stuck in the either/or binary dualism of his mind, and this simplicity of thought dominated by the Nihilistic paradigm, the Modern can accept no alternative outside the "dissolving, exploding, of self within a uni-versal Self as fragmented consciousness" or the "implosion of self as subjective authority, as navel gazing narcissism, with only pleasure as a distraction".

Self-hatred converted/inverted, into hatred of other; distrusts for self, converted/inverted into rejection of other; fear for self, converted/inverted into fear of other.

Within this paradigm the ideal can only be a beyond space/time, essentially dismissing reality as an illusion, or the immanent future, rejecting presence, the present, the apparent, as unsatisfactory, or the ideal can be found in self, with no interference by anything outside of it - narcissism, solipsism being perspectivism pushed to its "logical" limit.

Anything outside if this is denounced and denied... no hierarchies, no trust, no loyalty, no common goals in the world.

Ego unable to accept another as superior has to seek it in the mystical, in the outside, or seek relief from it inside.
The world and its order, its unjust arrangements, to be destroyed, dismissed, forgotten, ridiculed.
All are equally weak below omniscience, and all are lords in their own mind.

The world remains unaffected.  

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PostSubject: Re: Nihilism: Signs & Symptoms Thu Jun 23, 2016 11:48 am

The metaphysical position of patterns in (inter)action, attracting and repulsing, is inescapable.
We feel it as need/suffering, as I've repeated many times, and it results in the Flux, and increasing chaos, experienced as linear time.

Not only is it inescapable but it is desirable, by the ones who enjoy life, and existence - being conscious of life in existence.
for the weakling, the coward, the desire to end conflict, expressed as a ideal state of no "conflicting goods" as one of our retarded Moderns puts it, is really the Christian ethos expressing dissatisfaction with existence, and themselves within it - insecurity of how self can compete.

To reach a "democratic compromise" is cryto-Christianity expressed in the idea of peaceful coexistence beneath a "benevolent, altruistic, all-encompassing, omnipotent, State - god abstracted as institution.
Dependence on official sources of judgment is the Christian spirit of bowing before the authority of a supreme other- afraid to pass-judgment without this authorization.
If we understand the symbolism of Satan in the Abrahamic Nihilistic paradigm then rejecting the objective world is a rejection of the Devil, as representation of an indifferent, harsh, world.


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PostSubject: Re: Nihilism: Signs & Symptoms Fri Jun 24, 2016 7:47 am

The emergence of the internet intellectual, the google genius, is the natural outcrop of specialization.
MANifesto: Science – Specialization – The Rise of the Idiot Savant
Data regurgitation, recitation of information, with no understanding, no perceived unity found in a unifying pattern.
With no past, no tradition to provide guidance, the Modern mind seeks aid in mysticism, and in Abrahamic lies, now converted to secular symbolisms, and Alexandrian presumptions.
God’s assumed “omniscience”, morphing into scientific absolutes, and the “word of the one God”, morphing into numerical values; holism replaced by oneness, evil with nil(hism), Priestly class replaced with experts, self-declared shamans knowing the “mind of god”, knowing the uni-versal code, knowing they know nothing, except that all is knowable; gods mystery replaced with the insinuating vagueness of the symbol, triggering in each faith believer, his/her personal relationship with the divine.
Creation, now, imagined as a singularity of imploding/exploding space/time.
God given using one of his many names.
Something more appropriate for a more “refined”, demanding, educated, and jaded audience.

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PostSubject: Re: Nihilism: Signs & Symptoms Fri Jun 24, 2016 10:30 am

Organism, with whatever level of consciousness it has developed, is the point of reference, the convergence space/time nexus where "opposites" combine in mind as abstraction, having been divided by the body, and its nervous system, using primal methods of on/off designations.

Subjective is a reference to this... "man being the measure of all things".
Energy/Matter, Good/Bad, Order/Chaos, 1/0 relate to this starting ambiguity - the flow/no-flow converted to "perfect wholes": on & off.
The divergence is one of degree, but the organism dopes not have to be so precise - it cannot in its primitive state, only later evolving the ability to conceive the nuances, and it extricate itself from the analysis attaining a third-party imaginative perspective.
Degree of dynamism is reduced to an abstraction, converted to a medium the nervous system can transmit and process - Nihilistic parading takes the simplification/generalization literally.
The mechanism of conversion (translation/interpretation) placed in the role of ritual, baptismal rites, the Holy Spirit, meditation offering an epiphany mediating between the counter-intuitive and intuition.
Prayer was the Christian version of meditation, for the Pagan it involves the quieting of the conscious mind, to permit the internal cellular data to stream forward uninterrupted, and unprocessed, echoing a past lost in the noise of everyday existence.

Aryan man used mythology to merge the incompatible realms of consciousness and unconsciousness - the idea(l) and the real.


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PostSubject: Re: Nihilism: Signs & Symptoms Sun Jun 26, 2016 10:36 am

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PostSubject: Re: Nihilism: Signs & Symptoms Sun Jul 03, 2016 7:41 am

Under the "everything is subjective" clause in the social contract protecting actor from act, thinker from thought, judgment form cost/benefit, we find the delusion that erases world by erasing perspective.
It is a curious psychological leap of faith, based on the "ignorance is bliss", bovine rhetoric, that unequivocally states that you kill an idea, by killing the idealist, or worse, that you avoid reality by slandering, silencing, the one exposing you to reality, using words.

Words, and their magical importance, is central here.
Words that engage reality and words that evade it, are ow at par, since sheltering has made the application of judgment selective.
We find this in the declarations of one's genius, most often disturbing, when no act, no understanding is present... making the declarative sentences, constructed using words, detached from, the apparent.
A correlation to body-building is appropriate here... cultivating muscles, to and impressive, super-natural level, using chemical aids, contradicts the utility of muscles, by inhibiting the muscle-bound individual's mobility.
Muscles for display... like knowledge is now used to impress, to imply, and is not applicable; knowledge that inhibits thinking is preferred, when it impresses, when it seduces, when it is impractical; knowledge as an artificial display of understanding.

When words have become steroids, then the ideas their utility expresses are dismissed under the umbrella of institutionalized protection, making their usage a controlled substance imitating what is prohibited, correcting what has been inherited as a predetermined genetic limit.
Words now to display, impress, and destroy the other, because words no longer connect to world but to institution - the expert, the socialist, the collective narrative.

Slander, destroy, the speaker, and you feel as if you've escaped the perspective he describes, as if by magic; ignore the ideas being expressed, the act, and focus on the words, the voice, the source, and you begin to believe you've dealt with the ideas the acts themselves.

You see, when a mind has convinced itself that "all is equally subjective", and it is protected from the reference point, then all that remains for it to dismiss are perspectives, using word-games, innuendo, ad hominem assaults, declarative sentences, repeating dogmas, like prayers, psychological manipulation, and the defensiveness of cynicism, expressed in a care-free, humour, displaying faked indifference.

The motive is not to make sense of world, to engage reality, but to preserve our personal perspective, in a world where there is no big cost to being wrong, and application of the concepts words represent, is strictly controlled.

What is left of words but to express a world that pleasures us, that brings to us all that gives us personal gratification, and since a social animal such as man, finds gratification in other, then what better usage is left to words than to seduce, manipulate, others?
Tell them what they want to hear, and make them come to you; preach to the choir, and make them sing your blessings; sooth and comfort them, with symbols, with metaphors, and make them your flesh and blood blanket.

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PostSubject: Re: Nihilism: Signs & Symptoms Mon Jul 04, 2016 7:42 am

If your metaphysics comes into conflict with your physics, instead of supporting them; if your physics contradict your metaphysics, instead of representing them, then you are no philosopher, you are a spiritualist, using metaphysics to deny the physical world.
The claim can be easily made, that underlying the real, there is a more real reality, which the apparent covers and disguises, and the claim is so seductive that you will find followers to believe in whatever bullshyte you come up with, to define this hidden metaphysical world, but when you think of it, what does it mater what you bleeive and how many you convince?
Does reality change?
Well, some morons, who use subjectivity as a excuse, to deny, will say so.
Let them wallowing in their own filth, not fully appreciating how being protected, in a barn, from the consequences of their poor judgment, can only go so far, before the costs begin to pile up.
That is when they blame everything and everyone, other than themselves and their own stupidity, for whatever predicament their delusions have produced.
If they survive the experience, they will emerge "enlightened", as if they had some sort of epiphany, destined to repeat.

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PostSubject: Re: Nihilism: Signs & Symptoms Mon Jul 04, 2016 9:16 am

One more time...
Nihilism the rejection of reality if it does not contain the human abstractions fabricated in the human brain, with no reference to anything outside the brain.
As such, a realist would be, for a Modern Nihilist, a "nihilist", due to the inversion inherent in it.
All is inverted in the psychosis of a Nihilist.
As a consequence minds like Nietzsche, and many others, proudly wore the label, as a display of his antithesis to the Modern mindset.
As a negation of human fabrications that negate reality, such as universal morality, one God, wholeness, meaning, , absolutes of all kinds, telos, he was a positivist, a yes-sayer.
He was a Nihilist in relation to Modern Nihilists, and their artifices.
Negating a negative leaves what?

From this we discover two general types, although because Nihilism is a detachment and a rejection of reality, or objective world, the variations are as many as the human imagination permits. Imagination disconnected from reality we call "fantasy".

Negative Nihilists, or authentic, pure, feminine, in psychology, Nihilists: Those that flat out reject world void of morality, god, meaning, purpose...and wish to destroy it so as to prevent anyone else of enjoying it, when they cannot.

Positive Nihilists, of hypocritical/duplicitous, masculine Nihilism, attracting emasculated males and females to them: Those who project into world what they cannot find, or prove, as an absolute thing, or a whole, or meaning, or god, or morality, anything "positive" in relation to their needs.
The most popular and seductive form.
In this case the "absolute", the idea(l), the abstraction is projected outside the brain, and declared existing out there, or in the beyond, or in the immanent future.
Because most minds are terrified when they awaken to the realization that there is no universal morality, no god, no meaning, no telos, no purpose, this form of Nihilism gathers the masses of lost, desperate, weak, psychologies to it. Because there is no external reference to validate and/or connect the noumenon, the abstraction, this form of Nihilism depends on attracting as many minds to it, because it vanishes if there is not at least, one mind, holding onto the abstraction, since the abstraction has no external reference point, or it is not a representation off a phenomenon.

In short, the former posits a direct and clear negation o world as it is, whereas the latter posits a projection that contradicts the world, therefore negating it idealistically.
These two form of Nihilism represent the binary, dualistic poles of the Nihilistic paradigm, within which all moderns are trapped: philosophically, morally, politically, conceptually.
It is the cognitive box, they have yet ti evolve out of....the next step in human evolution, reflecting the 4th and below level of cognition, and/or the fourth and below level of intentionality.
Examples of modern "positive" Nihilism": Abrahamic Religions (Judaism, Christianity, Islam); Spinoza's "substance" and Kant's "thing-in-itself", Marxism/Humanism with their denial of past/nature, and their social constructs that socially construct the ideal that race and sex are social constructs. you See how duplicitous and how heavily dependent on words, this type of Nihilist is?
Because reality contradicts their ideals, they need words, continuously repeated, and masses of brains, infected with their idea(l) for them to be relevant - their power in built on quantities, of zombie-like minds, repeating the same delusion, which has no external reference, but is, in fact, contradicted by experience, by existence.

What Moderns call "philosophy" or politics, is contained within this cognitive box - it is the outer border of their perceptual-event-horizon; the extreme outer limit of their consciousness, determined genetically, but also memetically, when the meme is Nihilistic and it retards mental cultivation.
After brief ascends out of out of this cognitive box, man reverts back, in cycles of ascent and descent.

We are in the midst of decay, decadence, descent towards a coming Dark Age, and our art, which includes our usage of language, and our thinking, represented by philosophy, mirrors this decline.  


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PostSubject: Re: Nihilism: Signs & Symptoms Mon Jul 04, 2016 7:18 pm

For a realist, there is no meaning, no god, no universal morality, no purpose, to and in existence, but this is not a "negative" but a positive.

For a realist his projections of meaning, purpose, into the world do not negate the world, do not contradict it, but are pulled out of it, refer to it, are founded in it.
His idea(l)s are based on the experience of world, and competing idea(l)s far from being a "bad' thing are a "good" thing because through competition, conflict, each individual tests his own idea(l)s, and the types of minds these produce.

Difference between a "positive nihilist" and a realist, is that the latter does not posit his own as universals, as absolute truth, but as superior in degree, and his idea(l)s projections do not come in conflict with world, as it is.
He recognizes his abstractions as his own constructs, which are more or less in-tune with reality.
Idea(l)s not as absolutes but as direction finders, orientation signposts, identifying the individual as the one wilfully moving towards it, and this movement being what defines and differentiates him from others, or what establishes commonality and allegiance.

The "positive nihilist's" projections idea(l)s are not only considered absolutes, universals, all ought to follow and abide by, or all equally valid so as to erase conflict, but his idea(l)s are contradictions of what is experienced, what is apparent, what is present; he has projected into the world abstractions that contradict existence.  


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PostSubject: Re: Nihilism: Signs & Symptoms Mon Jul 04, 2016 8:26 pm

"Negative" pure Nihilist


-Believes in no universal morality, no god, no meaning, no purpose to existence, no one, no whole

-Believes in universal Nil - negation of all positive abstractions, all apearances, all past/nature, all presence

-Considers this absence a negative

-Idealizes the destruction of existence

-Considers all perspectives equally negative

-Considers "positive" Nihilists, and Realists naive

-Has no ideals except Hedonism, as a necessary method of enduring existence




"Positive" hypocritical Nihilist


-Believes in universal (absolute) morality, god, meaning, purpose to existence

-Considers this a positive, and the idea of an absence a negative

-Idealizes abstractions he projects which negate this absence

-Considers all perspectives equally positive, or all equally negative except his own which he holds as absolutely certain

-Holds his ideals as absolutes, including the ideal which states that all perspectives are equally true, or equally untrue

-Ideals negate the experience of existing, conflict with appearances, presence of fluctuating patterns

-Rejects all standards outside self, or a collective of selves - rejects world (objective) as a standard for evaluating what is more and what is less probable

-Holds no principles as superior to others, except the principle of parity of principles





Basic difference between a "negative" and a "positive" Nihilist is one believes all is absolutely negative, nil, and the other all is absolutely positive, yet varies on how he imagines this "positive", giving it many names, and all his projections contradict the real: his "positive" ideals all contradict the sensually experienced world.  
The former negates world with an absolute nil and the latter with an absolute one.
Symbol = referring to noumenon, referring to nothing outside itself (phenomenon) projected as more 'real' than reality, thusly negating world as it is.





Realist

-Believes in no universal morality, no god, no meaning, no purpose to existence

-Considers this absence a positive

-Idealizes abstractions he projects which affirm this absence

-Considers all perspectives positive/negative in degree - degree determined by the quantity/quality of references to experienced existence, or in reference to the outcome

-Idealizes patterns, and/or combinations of patterns, derived from existence, embracing presence, appearance as the experience of existence, of cosmos (cost/benefit)

-Holds some principles as superior to others - evaluated by the cost/benefit consequences, or by how many references to the world or past/nature they have


Basic difference between a "Realist" and a "positive" Nihilist, is that the latter relates to the absence of absolutes in a positive way, and so does not need to project into world abstractions that negate it, or contradict world, but pulls his abstraction from the experienced world of appearance, presence - he reveals, and does not conceal.

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PostSubject: Re: Nihilism: Signs & Symptoms Mon Jul 04, 2016 10:28 pm

To understand Nihilism you must first understand that it is a meme, a memetic virus, that contradicts the gene, or the world, reality, the apparent, the present, the pattern of (inter)activity we call Flux.
It contradicts reality, and attempts to replace it.
Its existence relies on the only manner with which memes can be shared, transmitted: words... language, symbols.
These symbols bury past/nature, as it is transmitted genetically - genes being encoded memories, or nature as the sum of all past nurturing.

Nihilism disappears outside human brains. It ceases to exist, because only in the human brain can it exist as noumenon, as abstraction = vague.
Ana abstraction (noumenon) that contradict the world, reality, the phenomena.

So, Nihilism multiplies linguistically, and is non-existent outside its carrier code of words/number... SYMBOLS.
It is pure meme.

Other memes, such as realistic ones, pagan noes, emerge out of genetic reproduction - the naturally connected meme is a continuance of genetics: such "healthy" memes, simply connect the gene with reality, using symbols (words numbers).
They extent the continuum of memories carried by genes - culture birthed within particular populations, reflecting the populations history, its experiences within the environment, within the world.
Since words are representations of noumena built by the accumulating (stimuli) and abstracting phenomena, via a medium, such as light or atmosphere, the meme is the externalization of the final product: abstraction, noumenon.

With the Nihilistic meme, the word lacks any reference outside the brain, so its projection outward is a contradiction of the real.
The brain takes memories, sensation, emotions, from esoteric sources, combines them in weird ways, uninhibited by any external standard, and then abstracts them as metaphor that has no reference outside the brain: it is fantasy.
If, and when, this abstraction negates the external then it is nihilistic...such as the ideal of an absolute, names God, or morality, or meaning, or anything...one, whole...etc.
It has no utility, other than as a symbol shared by brains, creating a collective, a nihilistic culture.
The Nihilist MUST take the abstraction, built using symbols, literally, because if he does not there is no other usage of it.
The Nihilist MUST contradict his won ideals, because they have no connection to reality, and if he were to apply them, as be believes them to be literally, then he would die.

We might say that Nihilism is a word describing an absolute idealist, whose ideals lack all utility, other than as a psychological coping method, or a political method for manipulating other minds with their own psychological needs.

Subjectivity, becoming a communion of supportive subjectivities - inter-subjectivity.


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PostSubject: Re: Nihilism: Signs & Symptoms Mon Jul 04, 2016 10:41 pm

Nihilism is important, because it exposes Modernity, and its psychosis, explanation the current crisis of identity, the destruction of family and culture, the decline of western civilization, and the sorry state of what passes for philosophy in our time.
Nihilism can explain how a meme can bury genetics, beneath symbols, codes, words.

It can also be used to understand Modern politics, Modern psychology, modern attitudes towards sexual types, and racial types... and the multiplicity of ideologies some mistake for free-thinking.

It can also be sued to comprehend language, and how moderns use and abuse it, or take it literally rather than artistically.

To understand the most current dynamics of Nihilism, which I call Modern, is to understand the current human condition, particularly  in the west where the memetic dis-ease has caused the most damage.  
To begin to understand Nihilism you must understand the word "Nihilism" itself.
Who coined it, what it meant, and how within nihilistic memes it hijacked human thinking by inverting the relationship of words to world.

That the absence of absolutes, such as God, meaning, purpose, universal morality was labeled a negative, a nil, reflects the Nihilistic psychosis of modern man, and connects the meme to past expressions of the same dis-ease such as Abrahamic Religions: Judaism-Christianity/Islam, later to secularize through Levi, also known as Marx, to create the modern political movement we all know - most notable of all humanism, liberalism, feminism...etc.

To understand the value of Nihilism as a political and philosophical tool to control the masses in a heterogeneous system, you must understand its method, and how it produced feminization of man.  
To understand Nihilism you must understand how its detachment from world, how its pure noetic essence, is what produces the multiplicity of thoughts, ideas some, then, confuse for free-thinking, unable to perceive the connecting, underlying, conception its multifarious forms, and how this fragmentation is also part of how it can be used to divide and conquer.

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PostSubject: Re: Nihilism: Signs & Symptoms Tue Jul 05, 2016 8:56 am

Defining Words

If the importance of defining words has not become obvious, after all that I've said about language, and how as a come of memories reproducing of memes, like DNA is the carrier of the memories we call genes, then let me be more clear.
The essence of Nihilism as the memes, that deny world outright or simply reject it and bury it under code (words, numbers, symbols) makes the symbol of vast importance to Nihilists.
The word has to have a dictionary definition, making the transmission of the meme possible, but it ought not to be connected to the world.
This is why Nihilists avoid defining the words they use, or reject the necessity of defining words, even while proposing a hypocritical desire to "bring it down to earth".

Here is what defining a word means.
There is the dictionary reference which, as I said, makes the transmission and sharing of memes possible, and this is its psychological and political utility.
But then there is the need to connect the symbol to the real, if it is to be considered useful, and not fantasy, delusion.
This is what Moderns reject vehemently because if they were to attempt it it would disarm their intent, which is to deny world or to annul it, reducing all down to uniformity.
It would also expose the shallowness, the emotional corruption of their "understanding".

In the past Nihilists belonging to the spiritual sect of Abrhamism, dumbed-down philosophy for the masses delivered using stories full of metaphors and innuendo the average mind understood literally, but with the overcoming of the human construct One God the void left had to be filled with a new metaphor, a new Absolute Oneness.
This metaphor became "Humanity", now stripped of its genetic meaning, lacking sex, race, vague enough to mean anything to anyone, just as the old God was, but more so, because the word "Humanity" was secular, it had done away with the last barrier to universality, to achieve uniformity.  

Modern animosity towards any definition which connects the representation of word of noumenon/abstraction, with phenomenon, with behaviour, with action, is fierce.
All definitions must return back to humanity, be placed within human contexts, and not connected to world, at large.
In the present paradigm God's Will, has been replaced by the Will of the People - the vote.
Quantity over Quality.
Morons given parity with geniuses.

If we take but one example to illuminate the phenomenon I am describing, such as "morality", we can begin to understand.
Past Moderns, previous Nihilists under the brainwashing of Abrahamism, placed their understanding of "morality" upon God.
God determined what is good and what is bad, and the voice of God, was the priesthood - the predecessor of Modern specialists.
They defined the text in Scripture, written in a metaphorical style, which along with the Dictionary transmitted a shared understanding.
He connected the word of God, to some beyond reality reference point... the mind of God.
 
What could ever replace this brilliant method of mass manipulation?
The motive is present, the weakness in the masses also unchanging, desperate to be given a new delusion to detach, to escape, world.
The concept "humanity" was the replacement metaphor - God reduced to earthly levels.
not in the "Beyond" time/space, but in the immanent, the forever coming Future of time/space, a future always good, better, always positive.
Paradise replaced by Utopia.

This is why words as transmitting code of meme, has to remain connected to a general definition in a language's dictionary, but then retained as vague, to apply differently to each and every member of the infected by the meme member.  
To attach a meaning to a word, such as Morality, to a behavior, an (inter)activity, that goes outside the Human, observed in other species, for example, would be blasphemy... like when human existence was placed outside the premises of Abramisms through Evolution Theory.
To connect the word "morality" with a behaviour that can be observed outside controlled fabricated human environments, is the worse thing a Modern can imagine.
With no God to define morality, he must define it within Human paradigms, or socioeconomic, emotional, political functions.
Expanding the definition to be applicable beyond these human premises would demystify it.
to connect the word, representing a noumenon, an idea(l), to world to phenomenon, beyond, but also including humanity, is, for the Modern disturbing...dis-empowering.

I've given my own definition to the word, connecting it to behaviours in nature, giving the word a meaning, but others are free to offer alternatives if they remain loyal to the practice of connecting words with reality, of referring noumena to phenomena, and not to some vague, emotional, human contrivance.  
What does a word mean begs for this connection.
The word "meaning" is this connection of abstraction of idea with world with the real - noumenon to phenomenon.
To give a word definition, in the usual sense, is to connect it to a dictionary text, based on a system of ordering thinking we call language.
to define a word, in the sense of giving it meaning, is to connect it to outside the brain... and not only to other brains, but to the world independent of all brains.
The problem is obvious... one must seek connections outside human socioeconomic environments... in other words outside already established memes... in the natural world which remain unaffected by human language, and human contrivances.

In the case of "morality" the connection to animal behavior, not only human behaviour, and human ideals.
What is moral behaviour... is it observed in other species?
If so, what is the common ground, connecting the behaviour to a greater function?

This method should be applied to all words...particularly the ones Moderns use to transmit their nihilistic meme.
Consider the word "equal"... does it correlate to anything outside a vague reference in the human brain?
1=1....a=a....so?
A human noumenon is the same with itself... symbol symbolizing the same noetic construct, retained in ambiguity in the brain.
Is there an external reference?
Is "a" tree same with itself a millisecond later?
The "a" remains static as it exists as a symbol, man can write down in a book, externalizing the ambiguity of the noumenon, by converting it to a code.
But where is it outside the human brain?
Where is this "one", or this "nil"?

Where in nature do we find "equality", and why?

The artistic representation, the metaphor taken literally, leads to paradoxes, and to idiocy.
When language is understood as being more than a tool, understood as a magical toy, a ploy, to cover the world, to reject it and replace it, then it becomes dangerous.


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PostSubject: Re: Nihilism: Signs & Symptoms Tue Jul 05, 2016 9:49 am

Spirituality of the Realist, the so-called Pagan, begins from the earth.
First digging down into soil, to begin his building by first constructing a foundation, a basis, in the earth, and from there to ascend, brick by brick, stone by stone, upwards towards the heavens.

Nihilists begin with a noetic structure, in their mind, imagined as a vague some-thing, floating in air, hovering above the earth, ascending up, because ti need not connect to the soil, and being a noumenon, a abstraction, unhindered by gravity.
It is child-like construct, lacking mass, lacking substance, meaning, connected to the brain with a fine thread of linguistic dictionary definitions.

Choose one of their words, one of their favourite ones... begin with the mathematics symbols of 1/0.
Even in his desperate attempt to detach from reality, the Nihilist begins with a word that has no meaning outside his mind: one & nil.
In his mind he's erased reality with a symbol, a word... and if he convinces enough, converting them to his own kind, he builds castles in the mind, the perpetual sky: meaningless spirituality.

Spirit with no body.
The airy abstraction casting tendrils downwards, wanting to establish itself within reality, by infecting as many minds as possible.
Lacking validation in world, through the human agency it tries to give itself substance - taking over the minds of millions, converting them to agencies... rotting corpses decaying upon the ground they lurch forward, seeking fulfillment - inversion, from meme to gene.
With no reference in world the memetically infected mind constructs its idea(l) outward, using code - covering nature, burying the past under his artifices, his relentless symbols.
A thin, fragile veneer over the earth - asphalt, glass, representing his internal noetic artifice.
A cancer upon the earth.
Symbols, shapes, images, covering the earth, trying to forget, to conceal.
Generations born and raised within this human contrivance, unable to imagine nature, dismissing it out of hand, because it so wishes to.
Quarantined and sanitized space/time.

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PostSubject: Re: Nihilism: Signs & Symptoms Tue Jul 05, 2016 10:55 am

An ideal, is an idea, a goal, an intended objective.
Each ideal forces a movement towards it, a motive, and it is defined by its principles, its behavioral standards.

All organisms have an ideal, though they may not have words for it, nor be conscious of it.
For example the motivating ideal for a plant is a movement towards nourishment or hydration it senses within the soil.
We humans, from an external vantage point recognize this movement as a will to live, to survive, to appropriate what is being lost to attrition, and accumulate a surplus to be directed towards growth and/or reproduction.
This is the primal motive, the Will to exist, within a fluctuating cosmos.
Humans can project an idea(l) above and beyond this primal idea(l), often at its cost.
For example, a man might place dignity as a higher idea(l) than survival, and refuse to continue living in a undignified manner, that is a man in opposition to his idea(l)s.

We can differentiate the objective of a simple organism such as a plant or an animal, by suing a different word.
The more appropriate word for what the organism moves towards, is not idea(l) since it has no brain and cannot think beyond the gratification of need, but objective, or goal.
The word idea(l) applies more precisely for the noetic projections of a higher organism, such as man, which exceed the simpler objective of gratification.
For man this idea(l) might even take the form of a noumenon that comes in conflict with the experience of existence, or that rejects this existence...and we call those idea(l)s Nihilistic.

Ethics is the codification of morality, of the moral instinct, found in all social organisms as a behavior that facilitates cooperation and coexistence.
Morality describes the instinctual organic behaviour, found among species that require the cooperation of another, of its kind, to achieve the objective, or to gratify a need...such as heterosexual species, suing this method to replicate their genes, and social behaviour.
Ethic sis the study of these instinctive dispositions, particularly as to how they manifest within the human species - an encoding of them using words/numbers (symbols), describing behavioral standards appropriate for moving towards the collective idea(l).
As such, all minds have an idea(l) and so have a ethical standard, even if they can only relate to it in the primitive, instinctive, intuitive form as moral feeling.
Even an amoral stance is a moral stance, as it is a reaction to a particular idea(l).

Those that propose such a stance usually express their personal dissatisfaction with the collective idea(l), or propose a reversion, a return to the primitive condition of morality: a conscious or unconscious desire to revert back to the simpler forms of organic existence governed by the pleasure principle.
This is why they cynically dismiss all higher idea(l)s, outside this animalistic self-gratification.
This, is a variant of Hedonism.

This conscious, or unconscious, desire is a product of insecurity before the collective idea(l), without offering an alternative, and a rejection of it because one feels inadequate to remain true to its calling.
Conflict between idea(l)s is natural, and expected, desired, but the need to evade such conflicts and to revert to an animal state where the individual fantasizes he will no longer be judged, is part of the Modern delusion.
Desiring to evade accountability before an idea(l) settles upon the convenient objective of simple self-gratification, where one is only judged by how often and how well ti can gratify its needs.
a desire to evade higher idea(l) for the more easier lower, ones shared by animals and plants.

Because such higher idea(l)s are part of greater systems of behavior, we call memes or culture, the individual is usually also anti-culture, anti-civilization, or anything above the level of animal existence.
This is a infantile position implying a reversion that goes beyond the cultural... into the biological, since to prevent an ascent the organism must also revert mentally to an animal state.
But even in this case, an arresting of Evolution is also taken for granted.

On a psychological level this desire to exit morality and any organized human system is a desire to not be judged... to live only with one's own judgment, unaffected by that of another.
a romantic idea(l), only a human can fantasize/imagine, because in all organisms judgment is what we call being consciousness, and if one manages to escape human standards then one is still left with natural standard of evaluating fitness from unfitness.
The most obvious example is sexual selection, through the agency of female, in our species.
female judgment in relation to environment, whether this be a memetic construct or entirely genetically motivated.
The environment is the standard against which all organisms measure themselves.

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PostSubject: Re: Nihilism: Signs & Symptoms Tue Jul 05, 2016 11:16 am

Nobility


In contrast to the nihilistic paradigm, and its multiple idealistic manifestations, I offer Nobility,  much maligned word within the Nihilistic meme.
It is also called aristocratic, as the [κρατος] power, dominance of [αριστον] the exemplary, the superior, within all contexts.

I've given a brief outline of it...
When the past/nature, manifesting as presence/appearance, is in alignment with the noetic/abstracted projection of an idea(l).
The noble spirit makes of himself/herself a conduit, a link in the chain from past/nature towards the idea(l), sometimes at the cost of its comfort, its pleasure, its well-being, its life.

If this is too abstract then another way of thinking of it is as the attitude, completely connected with world, even if this world insults or is detrimental to its self-interests, appreciating what is above it in relation to the idea(l); giving ground to the superior for the sake of an approach to the shared idea(l).  
We immediately recognize, from the definition, if we read it carefully, how Noble idea(l)s are founded upon world, or must connect and be built upon what is experienced, as precedent or immediately.
This excludes idealism void of substance... Nihilism, fantasies that may feel good but have no relation to reality, no precedent, no connection to experience - ignoble idea(l)s.
This does not mean agreement, for conflict is part of the Noble stance: the desire to test self, and one's idea(l) on the battlefield or in debate.
Something impossible with Nihilists it no connection to reality. One cannot compare and compete with minds who believe in abstractions void of content, and that are entirely in their brains, or emotional handicaps; like debating a schizophrenic, or an in(s)ane mind - futile, and useless.
Even in victory you gain nothing from the exchange.
Any exchange with minds detached form reality is worthless. Any value can be rescued by using them as examples to be avoided or as specimens infected with the dis-ease, so as to become aware of the symptoms, and the many adaptations of this mental, psychological, virus.  
 
It is also obvious that when Noble minds debate they begin from a common ground in reality... they both share a world which they do not dismiss, reject, or forget.
Their words reflect this connection to a shared reality - they are rational, and have meaning, in that they refer to phenomena, and compete only in how these phenomena relate,, what they mean; they differ in the idea(l) they project and consider superior, but which is also grounded within world and not only a figment in their imagination with no external references and no precedent.  
Such competitions, conflicts, are Noble, and they serve to sharpen both sides understanding, clarify themselves and the world... uncover it, because Noble spirit share this desire to un-cover world, no matter how harsh it is.

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PostSubject: Re: Nihilism: Signs & Symptoms Tue Jul 05, 2016 11:40 am

Noble minds agree on the basic nature of reality not because of a shared meme, but because of a shared world.
They know a clear understanding of world, a more objective subjectivity, will determine success and failure... if sheltering, protection from cost/benefit is taken out of the equation then all that is left is world to determine whose judgment was superior.
The Noble spirit knows and has the integrity to accept the full costs as he is able to enjoy the full benefits, with no mitigating entity to adjust and to inflate/deflate them according to a system memetic goal.  

The ignoble mind settles for the protection, because there its delusions, its detachment from reality, has no severe cost, and all that is left is benefit... with a hidden cost it ignores, or is unable to fully appreciate.
If it could it would not be what it is.
When sheltered the Nihilist can make the claim that all judgment calls are equal, and that all judgments are equally irrelevant.
It shamelessly hides there, where its past/nature is reduced to the immediate, and it can finally feel equal to all others.
Free from seeing who and what it is...free from the command Know Thyself replaced with the Judaic dictum: 'reduce all down to uniformity, and then disappear within it'
It sacrifices the superior to its inferiority.
This is its idea(l).  

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