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PostSubject: Re: Nihilism: Signs & Symptoms Sat Jun 27, 2015 8:33 pm

The word referring to an abstraction, is a representation of that abstraction that Noumenon.

The noumenon need not refer to a phenomenon, or what appears in space/time and is simplified/generalized into the abstraction, into a thing.
The word is a tool, a symbol, and it may very well refer back to itself and other abstractions, connected and integrated into a bigger abstraction, a larger idea(l), or, it may very well refer to an abstraction in an other's mind, transferred linguistically to one's own.

If the abstraction, the noumenon, and the word representing it, has no reference outside minds, to the apparent sensual world, the real, then it is ambiguous, and if taken literally, and not as a tool, a representation, it can function as a nullification of the real, the apparent.

The abstraction is a static, simplification/generalization, of a (inter)active, a dynamic phenomenon, and, as such, its effectiveness is determined by how well ti serves its function, how good of a tool it is, and how well it simplifies/generalizes the dynamic.

By understanding what the word is, and how it relates to what it is supposed to represent, and simplify/generalize, one is not dismissing its function, but one is clarifying, it, sharpening the tool, as it were, and one is also throwing away words that refer to nothing but back to human constructs with no reference outside minds, sharing, perhaps, a common definition, along with the imagery, to make the word functional within the human world of communication, exploitation, hierarchies.
Confusing the representation for the represented, is idolatry, and in this nihilism is a form of idolatry which with its representations annuls what is perceived and replaces it with symbols, numbers, concepts with no reference outside the mind, constructing an ideal, idealized, inter-subjective alternate "reality".
Once it assimilates, indoctrinates, enough minds into this alternate noetic universe, it can begin to self-refer, self-validate, relying, now, upon numbers, or popular appeal, referendum, to validate or to dismiss an idea(l).
These Nihilistic memes require a certain number of subjects, to inappropriate into its alternate universe, for it to become viable, and so population control and seduction, is its primary usage of words.

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This is why you will find in Nihilistic discourse, this endless chatter using words detached from reality, but continuously referring and deferring to others minds, from where the participants have adopted them, with little effort of their own.
They approach world not directly, as it appears, but via proxies, and working backwards.
Philosophy has become a continuous talk about someone else's talk, about someone else's talk.

The Modern is obsessed with politics, because here the inter-subjective chatter, reaches the apex of its self-referential dialogue, within a shared memetic context where the words need only remain true to a certain Book which lends them meaning.
Communism was the first secular form of this Nihilistic trait. A secularization of its Judeo-Christian inheritance, which then submitted to the superiority of method Capitalism offered.

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The mind's entrapment within its own abstractions, is what produces these linguistic paradoxes, these fools carry out o their mind's cave to expose how unable to think outside this binary system they are.
The Modern is unable to think in degrees, as the mind is a tool that fabricates absolutes to make them useful to the organism which need not think of anything beyond the simple satiation of needs.
Lacking any artistry, it relies on artists to feed it inspiration, but it can only appreciate them in a very simple/general literal way.

What makes abstractions useful in relation to world, survival, makes them useful when world, survival, is guaranteed, protected, ensured, and the mind can direct them, their usage, to escape world, and/or to masturbate, to pleasure himself using these abstractions, these detached from world idea(l)s.
hedonism is the quintessential foundation of Modernity. The sensation of satiation, of release of gathered energies, but with no outcome, no natural consequence.
Communism and then Capitalism takes these energies, these libidinal energies with no product, and redirects them towards other objectives, most based no abstractions with no reference point.
We can reduce the conflict of right/left, between the Nihilistic binary political poles of Communism/Capitalism, to a symbolic struggle; a fight over who decides where to direct libidinal energies toward abstractions which have to reference point outside human brains.
This exploitation of libidinal resources, taken away form the individual who is not neither female nor male, neither black nor white, but worker, or number/word, is how elites manipulate human resources to their own ends, while selling inter-subjective delusions, nihilistic constructs, internally.



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PostSubject: Re: Nihilism: Signs & Symptoms Fri Jul 03, 2015 7:54 am

Mind = noumenon (abstraction)

Body = phenomenon (appearance, apparent, presence)

The Noetic (abstraction) can detach itself from the world, and be pure abstraction, such as the mathematical linguistic form.
The Body (physical) is (inter)activity. It cannot escape the Flux; it IS the Flux, or a part of it having reached a certain level of order.
The mind can combine its perceptions in any way its imagination/creativity permits....it is not bound by reality, by physical ordering. This is why the noumenon can become nihilistic, replacing the phenomenon with words totally disconnected from any phenomenon...from anything present, apparent.
Universal morals, meaning, purpose, and God as the anthropomorphic representative of all this human artificiality are examples of noetic constructs with no preference to anything outside the mind.

Abrahamic Religions = Judaism, Islam, Christianity - the modern triad of spiritual nihilism.
The worshipers of nil, proposing an alternate world, a world above, beyond, with all the human constructs "missing" from the world: universal morality, meaning, purpose, God, - a realm withing which the absolute is not absent - singularity, later to develop the "nil" to explain the sensually perceive, casting the world as the "negative" that which is to be escaped, denied, forgotten (lethe).
Worshipers of death - the death wish.
These religions usher in the age of Nihilism, in the west; age of inverted definitions for words, and their detachment from any reference to the apparent so as to accomplish the inversion.
Religions of the word, by the word, for the word..and the First Word is...GOD.

Modern = current, socioeconomic, cultural manifestation of the nihilistic psychology.
Secular Humanism = A characteristic of the Modern Age, the Last Man age of Nihilism.
It replaces the terms, flips them around, adjusts them to altering socioeconomic circumstances, due to advancement in techniques/technologies, and the capacity to bury away the world and repalce it with a manmade world.

Nihilism defining Nil - Modern = What lacks a universal morality, meaning, purpose, in other words a world lacking an absolute (absent absolute).
Nihilism (proper) = What denies reality, as it is, and projects human artifices, such as absolutes as the necessary correction for what is lacking, in reference to human needs (emotions).
God can be included in this absent absolute which is missing, for the Modern Nihilist to consider the world "positive".

World = Flux - ceaseless (inter)activity never settling upon a singularity/absolute.
World is "positive" in that it is what offers possibility, within which probability emerges.
This space/time of the possible, the (inter)active, is what makes life possible, and as a consequence consciousness, giving rise to mind, the noumenon.

World (Modern) = the inter-subjective world of man and all his artifices, including morality, universal meaning, purpose, truth, and his techniques/technologies manufacturing absolutes, and/or literally interpreting the words being used to represent the world.

Probability = a restriction of possibility, also called "order".
Order = the inter)active exhibiting a persistent, repeating, predictable, pattern.

Chaos (Modern) = complexity, that within which no pattern is perceived - the Alexandrian mind-set, expressing the faith based Judeo-Cristian past assumes a pattern behind, beneath, all dynamic (inter)actions.
The Christians assumed a God, of Order, of Absolute oneness.
The secular forms of the same psychology assume a particle, a substance, an order beneath all which exists.

Chaos (proper) = that (inter)activity which lacks all pattern - randomness.
Unpredictable, inconsistent, non-repeating.
chaos makes life impossible, since life is ordering - self-ordering as a reaction/resistance to the increasing entropy, chaos.
Life is (re)active. It begins by sustaining itself within the Flux - preserving what order it has attained, and then, with the excess energies it has appropriated in its need to self-preserve, it directs itself towards: growth, procreation, then becoming creation/creativity,.
Art is a product of excess...or leisure, as the Marxists/Capitalist duality of economic Nihilism have called it.

Real = That which refers to world.
The subjective approaching the objective...also called Truth in reference to a perspective of the real.
Idea(l) = A mental model (abstraction, noumenon) representing the world.
Used to orient the organism and to direct it towards an object/objective.
An (idea(l)s objectivity is gauged by the quantity and quality of reference point the abstraction, the noumenon, has to the apparent, the phenomenon.
The cost/price and the benefit will only affect the organism using the noumenon to orient and direct itself within the world of (inter)activity.
The idea(l) for a non-nihilist is a signpost, a direction, an objective to focus upon so as to direct its aggregate energies (synergy), in relation to what is valued, what is most desirable, appreciated in self and in otherness. It is not something to be attained, but only moved towards, struggled for - agon.
For the nihilist, obsessed with escaping a world of no absolutes, and wanting to escape the immutability, the determining indifference, of past/nature, the "Idea(l)" is always world negating, world denying, self-hating, forever detaching self from world suing words: noetic detachment, self-retardation, self-narcosis etc. This is only able to sustain itself if there is a mechanism, an institutionalized cocooning world of man protecting such minds from a world indifferent to their methods of self-medication.
For the Pagan the Idea(s) is to be known (know Thyself), accepted, coped with, because it will not be pleasant, and used. The Idea(l), for him, is the incorporation of past/nature, sharped and tested in the immediate, presence/present, outside human artifices, outside the socioeconomic cultural realm of inter-subjectivity, so as to achieve clarity, lucidity, objectivity.
The ability to restrict the effect of corrupting elements in thinking (emotion, ego, self-interest, the death-wish) will determine the quality of the outcome in relation to world. then, the Pagan moves towards incorporating into his Idea(l)s manmade constructs, which are no more than parts of nature, not nature itself, and with Nihilistic socioeconomic cultures they may even be contrary to nature.
This is the Bottom<>Up method of thinking.
The nihilist, the modern, is obsessed with the Top<>Down method...where one begins with the Idea(l) and then works backwards trying to justify and maintain it, preserve it within a world indifferent to his tricks.

Subjective = the interpretation of the (inter)active - the simplification/generalization of the Flux into a form the brain can process and use; a form to incorporate into an abstraction, a mental model, a noumenon so as to orient and direct its aggregate energies.
Objective = Another word for world - the world made as a destination, a desirable contact between the subjective interpretation and that which is interpreted - harmony.

Objective (Modern) = A socioeconomic cultural objective - ambition.
Within manmade inter-subjective "realities" the objective only has a Nihilistic definition of finality, singularity, an absolute: happiness, love, wealth, life, God, status, materialism, hedonism.
When Moderns speak of an objective, in reference to philosophy science or religion, they always mean an absolute which is missing, but is "possible" within the realm of inter-subjective nihilism.
A final solution would be omnipotence, absolute power...omniscience, a final knowledge of ALL, absolute morality, a universal rule of behavior, purpose, a universal cosmic telos, end, singularity.
meaning ceases being a (inter)action of fluctuating patterns and become the absolute defining Word of God.

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PostSubject: Re: Nihilism: Signs & Symptoms Fri Jul 03, 2015 8:55 am

Another way to understand the Subjective/objective relationship as it pertains to Real/Ideal.

Objective = world, as in past/nature.
The past is immutable, in that it cannot be altered only uncovered, known and if patterns are perceived in this past/nature, understood.
All absolutes are description of this past/nature which is immutable, unalterable, and so "absolute" in a noetic sense...as memeory, recall.

Subjective = that which is interpreting what manifest as present, and is the past/nature becoming apparent.
The past does not exist in the sense of being a thing, or a sum of things in a previous time/space, but it existed in the sense of presence, appearance, phenomenon.
Past/Nature does exist as presence....that which appears IS this past/nature manifesting as presence.

The amount of time require to perceive, using a medium, and then process (convert to bio-energy, and then abstract, convert the data to a nouemnon), makes the mind lag behind the existing.
The noumenon is a step behind the phenomenon, the (inter)acting, and this is is why intelligence/imagination are so fundamental and dominant in reality, because they find patterns in the past/nature to use so as to predict, project probabilities, into the future overcoming this lag.  

The Idea(l) is this projection, where if it is dismissive of the past/nature, or rejects it or is ignorant of it, it is a projection of the nonsensical, the absurd.
To Know Thyself is to know this past/nature so that the subjective interpretation of the objective world is in harmony, accurate, or as close as possible.
Truth, Reality are words denoting the bridging of this gap between subjective and objective.

The more in harmony the interpretation, the subjective, is to the fluctuating, the objective world, the more accurate the projection, the more noble the idea(l), used to direct the aggregate energies of the organism.
Identity has to do with this projected Idea(l) and how it compares to the past/nature. The intent of the organism to move towards an object/objective, an Idea(l), is what identifies it, and its mind/body relationship.
Here, in this mind/body dichotomy relationship is where psychology/personality is determined, and how this relates to the past/nature and its projected objective is what determines this personality's character...its essence.  

Words/number are, therefore, symbols of noetic abstractions - artistic tools, representing the past/nature and the projected Idea(l), depending how the organism uses them at any given time.
a tool has no meaning outside its utility, without a mind to use it, direct it.
So, numbers and words are meaningless if there is no mind present to apply them towards an object/objective...they have no innate meaning.
A hammer with no hand to yield it is not a hammer; without a purpose, given to it by the mind using it, the tool hammer is not a tool, it is a stick and a head of metal: a configuration of elements, (inter)acting with no telos, like every other (inter)action.

It is the mind, the organism which gives meaning, purpose, within a world with no meaning and/or purpose.
It is a noumenon projecting an objective which gives the world a telos, an end, a universal order.
Numbers/Words are tools used to represent...they are not what is represented.
There are no particles, no ones, no nils, no things, no quanta, no substance outside the mind that reduces the (inter)active to an abstraction: simplification/generalization.
If these tools are taken literally then the mind is entrapped within its own artifices, its own noetic devices...it is caged within its noetic universe...solipsism, or inter-subjective reality. It, then, exists within manmade construct, where all is equally subjective and no superior perspective is admitted.
Though, how subjectivity can reach this level without the evolutionary rule of 'survival of the fittest" is a paradox these stunted minds are trapped in.
If superior intelligence, superior judgment, was not selected for, then what does Natural Selection mean, and how did intelligence evolve at all?
does evolution work only on the body, leaving the mind at peace, at rest, in perpetual repose?
If stress, the stress of an (inter)active objective world challenging the subjective interpreting mind, does not participate in evolution then, without God, what determines species and which ones will survive as others go extinct?
What role would sex have without the imperative of selecting for the fittest?

Before we advance up to the level of man and his social economic strictures and hierarchies, we must begin at the foundations of existence, then work ourselves up to life, of which man is simply a part of.
From the bottom upwards we must find patterns that remain true for longer periods of time.
Only then do we proceed to analyze human social, economic political relationships as these were determined by this past, this natural past.
our analysis, in every stage, should not be dominated by our emotions, our desires, how we can apply what we perceive, but first we must appraise it independent of all application, all need, desire, emotion.
Only then can the mind find an application, if at all possible, a utility in what it has perceived objectively, by excluding its hopes, and desires and needs.
But data is not always useful, it has no solution...one cannot correct the world.
It may be useful and only in relation to self...man changes himself in relation to world, not world in relation to himself
His civilization is a microcosm of self, expanded into a artificial reality, which may be Nihilistic or Realistic, more or less objective in comparison to another.


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PostSubject: Re: Nihilism: Signs & Symptoms Fri Jul 03, 2015 10:26 am

Nihilism...
as noted, the modern invention of the concept was in relation to an undesirable wold, one void of meaning, purpose, morality, absolutes. The definition expresses the Russian spirit's seeped in Judeo-Christian dis-ease, explaining, also, why they took to Marxism.

Marxism is the quintessential secularization of Judaism and its daughters Christianity/Islam: both western expressions of a dis-ease also emerging in the east as Buddhism, in relation to Aryan Hinduism.
Marxism creates an inter-subjective, noetic space-time alternative, rejecting the world.
it cancels race, sex, and identity as sum of your past, reinventing man as "human" or "worker", in relation to state.
Man as (inter)active phenomenon, the sum of nurturing appearing as presence, becomes worker. Activity is transformed to labor, and identity goes through others, belonging to the same SuperOrganic body, the Communist State.
A worker's only identity is in how useful he is to others. The connection between himself and past/nature, outside human artificial environments (nihilistic space/time continuum), is severed, and it is replaced with a prosthesis.

In Judaism, and Christianity/Islam the same process severs the individual form his family - see Jesus and how he seduces the Apostles - the prosthesis, the identifier, is sinfulness, chosen to suffer no behalf of God, for being born human.
death is the gateway to an alternate "reality", a Supernatural World = Paradise.
With Marxism and later Trasnhumanism Paradise is placed "in the space/time" continuum of experience, but as either immanent future...Utopia.
Capitalism also adopts the Marxist identifiers, but only applies them using more "natural" methods. it retains hierarchies but determines them via service, utility, the erotic principle: seduction, marketing, selling your work, your talents, your services to those you share nothing but the same space/time continuum and the values Idea(l) the market supplies for you...now called ambitions.

Marxism retains the same Christian ritualization of relationships. It has its priestly class, its believers, and saints emerging from this communion of body, beneath the Church of State.
It also has its sacrificial rites, which are the sacrifice of blood-ties, freedom, natural identifiers, ancestry as manifested presence. They wear uniforms to pretend the past/nature has been buried, forgotten.
It fails for this reason.
Retaining the populations in infancy, with no sense of self, and no way of knowing self other than through parent/State and others, the population becomes lethargic, irresponsible, childlike...remedied only by a steady as enforcement of State violence.
The outcome is that of a State run orphanage, where the orphans with no biological parent cling to the teachers, seeking approval, love, from their harshness.
In Capitalism the orphans, having been taken away from their family's are allowed to run free - divide and conquer, providing them with distractions, and goals that direct their infantile play.
If not from the state, or some church Father, the orphans seeks approval from each other.
The other validating their self-worth...popularity, marketability.

Mixing, "melting pot" ensures that this condition is made permanent.

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PostSubject: Re: Nihilism: Signs & Symptoms Fri Jul 03, 2015 1:16 pm

Tridimensional Nature of Nihilism: Intellectual/Spiritual/Physical corresponding to Mind/Nervous System/Body.
State/Institution/ideal

All three as One = singularity in three parts; manifesting in three dimensional space with the fourth being the movement of the absolute within them, transmutation.
The monad, the absolute particle, shifts essence as it moves through the three states.

Satan representing the five-dimensional space/time of (inter)active Flux = nature.
In the Nihilistic paradigm Satan, the real, plays the role of dividing partitioning, place holding, nil.
The triad of nihilism is subdivided into three by the satanic.

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PostSubject: Re: Nihilism: Signs & Symptoms Sun Jul 05, 2015 9:28 pm

A tactic I'be observed among the Modern Nihilists, the most recent, most obvious, example being shit-Stain, now off enjoying the lifestyle of the world's most interesting man:

>>First you declare yourself genius, or something approaching it.
An expert, you mention your credentials, your stuff, how much money you make...etc.
The tactic is a first intimidation attempt. An attempt to impress...to imprint in the other. . 

>>Then, if challenged, defer and refer to a famous thinker, considered by the majority as a genius, or, at lest, a notable intellectual.
This step will intimidate those who find such famous names challenging to understand. 

>>Then, if challenged, refer to a non-famous intellectual, implying that you know of his work inside and out and that you have proceeded out of the mundane, mainstream and are now in uncharted waters, where the many do not follow. 
This step will give out homework, thusly breaking the exchange until the other reads-up, understands, and, if still interested, returns to challenge once more. 

Each step preserves the facade of superiority without having to prove it.
See, for the Modern having read a famous intellectual means you immediately are his mouthpiece. 
Then, the debate might become a struggle over who understood the famous thinker the best...this is typical among Marxist who spend hours debating over who is the best representative of Trotsky, or Bakunin or some such Communist Saint....just as communists spend hours debating who got the world of Aquinas, or Jesus, precisely.
The conversation settles on interpreting the Biblical, or Manifesto text, the best...or upon which version of the interpretation should be the official version, setting up the splintering-off of factions, and/or denominations.
The fact that each reader of an author immediately becomes a representative of his understanding of said author, and any subject, consequently dealt with, need not refer to the original author, because each reader IS the interpreted, and the understood, applied. 

For example, each reader of Kant has understood Kant in his own way, or has adopted a more popular interpretation of Kant, found in many books dealing with interpreting Kant.
Same goes for Hume, Spinoza, Nietzsche, Schopenhauer etc.
Most are too cowardly to posit their interpretation directly, and so they will defer to the original as if to imply they and the author of like mind, or that in whatever way the other understood Kant, that is what is meant, without having to display an equal understanding. 

Now, in the case of referring and deferring to relatively unknown thinkers the one referring is using the author's obscure work as a reason to dismiss the other, as in "you are not on my level of knowledge...understanding" when the one using this method may not even understand the author cited himself.

The fact that if the one proposing a source as evidence in support of an  argument should also be able to apply the reasoning directly, does not register.
The one trying to evade will use this ruse to break-off from the other, dismissively.
If personA, for instance has read Nietzsche and has understood his reasoning and arguments, then personaA when faced with a challenger personB, would apply said reasoning and arguments directly himself, without having to refer, or to defer, but only as an acknowledged mentor, or a source.  
 

Having read an author, the author and the manner in which you've interpreted him, understood him, become part of you, and your thinking in relation to any subject. 
If this is not the case, then you will refer to him, trying to present the author as intimidation, or implying that the author's reasoning, as understood by the other, is also your own. 
A sly trick.
If you defer to the author you are simply avoiding the challenger, the other, by forcing him to debate the famous author directly, while you hide behind him.  

Referring to an author as a supporting element, is natural, doing so without any accompanying arguments of your own, in reference to the subject being discussed, is hypocritical, and cowardly.

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PostSubject: Re: Nihilism: Signs & Symptoms Mon Jul 06, 2015 6:08 pm

In the realm of Moderns inversions, the idea(l) becomes real, and the artificial becomes natural.
This is the inter-subjective "world" of man: supernatural, and surreal.

Within its man-made, and maintained, boundaries, organs are tools; not self manifested, but extensions of self, add-ons, a covering...

Anus, vagina, penis, lungs, eyes, ears, all parts of a cyborg.

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PostSubject: Re: Nihilism: Signs & Symptoms Tue Jul 07, 2015 6:30 am

Nihilistic Inversions
Cosmopolitanism

Hellenic cosmopolitanism was polyglotic, multiplicity of expressions rooted in a shared identity.
When Judaism came into contact with Hellenism the birth of Christianity inverted the expression of cosmopolitanism turning it into a Monistic idea(l) rooted in a multiplicity, polyglotic, identity.
For the Pagans identity found in the past, and self was its product.
For the Nihilists the past/nature is a multifarious “evil”, directed towards a singular future.
Hellenic cosmopolitanism was polyglotic, multiplicity of expressions rooted in a shared identity.
When Judaism came into contact with Hellenism the birth of Christianity inverted the expression of cosmopolitanism turning it into a Monistic idea(l) rooted in a multiplicity, polyglotic, identity.

For the Pagans identity was found in the past, and self (ego) was its product, its presence.
For the Nihilists the past/nature is a multifarious “evil”, directed towards a singular future. Identity, for the Modern is “coming”, a immanent event for which he must work by stripping himself nude of all past/nature to reinvent himself as something new.

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For the ancient-Greeks that world [kosmos] was a jewel, and they the appreciating mind.
Living on the shores of a sea-basin populated by different peoples, with different cultures, turned them into harvesters of idea(l)s.
These they assimilated into their shared heritage, their identity which was in their common past/nature, turning them resistant to dilution.
The Greeks never lost their sense of self, and never confused barbarian for Greek.
Modernity offers an inverted Cosmopolitanism, as one would expect from the culmination of the nihilistic meme.
Its identifier is always beyond, immanent, in the future, and it can take the form of an absolute, a Utopia/Paradise. The past is the multifarious converging upon a singularity, a monad: God, Idea(l), Humanity.

The Greeks produced a multiplicity of ideas, based on their shared past/nature, harvesting, assimilating alien elements; absorbing them in their common heritage.
The Jews were spiritual elitists, a closed cult of “chosen” by God, and when they were affected by Hellenism the Christian outcome became a reflection of Judaism, inverting Hellenism into Nihilism.
The Christian/Islamic spiritual Cosmopolitanism began with multiplicity of sinners, of the “fallen” funneled towards a singular salvation, a one path.
Marxism, Humanism, by eliminating the God element had to replace it with an alternate mono-Idea(l).
The numerical value of One, became the perfect mathematical replacement of God, where the anthropic representation was lost in abstraction. The mathematical value of one, was accompanied by its Satanic opposite, the Nil, and geometrically it was converted to the point that could be connected with lines to produce shapes of orientation.
The Marxists, being the intervening stage towards this mathematical point in space/time, had found the concept of Human to be its perfect replacement for the God who was overcome.
Human as an abstraction of the species type, the reproductive type. The abstraction, stripped of its past/nature, was expressed in the concept of Party/State, and sin became work, converting the evil world into a Paradise on Earth, a coming Utopia.  
“Workers of the world Unite!!!” expressed the Christian idea(l) of sinners finding salvation in God, in whom their sins, their busy hands, were put to productive work.  
Christians found salvation in Jesus; Communists found it in Marx.

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PostSubject: Re: Nihilism: Signs & Symptoms Tue Jul 07, 2015 6:59 am

Inversion is the symptom of Nihilism; it is the calling-card of Modernity.
A world inverted is a world annulled.
The absence of universal meaning, purpose, telos, and morality is translated, in Nihilistic mindsets, into a negative, when it is the very definition of positive, in that it makes life possible.
The Nihilist inverts identity placing it ahead, rather than behind, as a coming, a future, rather than a determining past/nature.
The Nihilist inverts the process from gene to meme, converting it to meme to gene.
The Nihilist inverts the timeline, beginning with the word, rather than the action described, represented by words; symbols of reality become reality of symbols.
The Nihilist inverts reality, converting it into subjective, rather than objective interested, understood, engaged with subjectively.
The Nihilist inverts interventions, claiming he is intervening to return the world to how it is, which, for him, means how it “ought to be”. He deludes himself that sexual roles, race, organs were manufactured by human systems, when it is he who is trying to erase the function so as to replace it with utility, with social conventions, with cultural eugenics.
The Nihilist inverts abstractions, absolutes, mental models, placing them ahead, outside, immanent, when it is he who is producing them in relation to the outside, ahead, immanent, as a (re)action to it.
The Nihilist inverts the relationship of noumenon with phenomenon. Instead of the noumenon representing the phenomenon, the idea(l) imposing itself upon the real, the opposite is so, for him.

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PostSubject: Re: Nihilism: Signs & Symptoms Fri Jul 10, 2015 8:39 pm

OnLine Etymology Dictionary wrote:
moral (adj.) Look up moral at Dictionary.com
mid-14c., "pertaining to character or temperament" (good or bad), from Old French moral (14c.) and directly from Latin moralis "proper behavior of a person in society," literally "pertaining to manners," coined by Cicero ("De Fato," II.i) to translate Greek ethikos (see ethics) from Latin mos (genitive moris) "one's disposition," in plural, "mores, customs, manners, morals," of uncertain origin. Perhaps sharing a PIE root with English mood (n.1).

Morals/Ethos pertain to a social behaviour.
A naturally selected behaviour facilitating social cooperative unities.

These, in time, become codified, spiritualized, translated into a social code of conduct, enforced by threat/promise, first from a hypothetical "superior authority" and then by the power of the group - peer pressure.
These behaviours, if proven to facilitate group cohesion, resulting in group synergy, become ritualized.
The individual born within the group, inculcated with the group's morals, and the relating ideals/values, perform the behaviour in a ritualistic manner, in time becoming automatic.
Along with the ritualized behaviours words also acquire a magical aura. They are repeated, in relation to a shared concept, which few fully comprehend but all consider self-evident.
The behaviour and the words connected to the ritual are repeated so often, from birth, that they become part of the social dynamic within the group; all members immediately recognize someone belonging to their culture by the performance of these rituals, and the words spoken in association with them.
A ritual is part of a shared tradition. A tradition repeated consistently and consecutively automatically, without thought, without comprehension.  

An example of ritualized behaviour and the words associated with it is sex, and sexual relationships within the group.

Rituals are meant to direct an organism's energies, particularly its libidinal energies, towards "appropriate" outcomes.
The individual need not understand the words repeated, as part of he ritual's chant, nor understand the symbolism of the actions it is automatically performing, just as long as it repeats it loyally, consistently and as close to how it has been trained to perform them as possible.
Withing Nihilistic memes, and the subsequent "civilization/culture, traditions, morals" that it produces, the behaviours are in contradiction to evolved behaviours, forcing a psychic schism, resulting in a form of social neurosis ([You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], and the private/public divide of personae and character.
Behaviours are repeated, as one performs a dance, moving the body in sometimes unnatural ways...but whereas in a dance the act is supposed to display self-control, grace, a power, when ti becomes habitual the action is meant to stifle the body's natural inclinations, flushing away the nervous energy this produces, towards innocuous directions, or forcing the individual to repress it within self, resulting in a perpetual state of stress.
Words, chants, ritualized within Nihilistic systems, or human groups using Nihilism as a means of internal, control, are repeated in their detached form reality form, without any understanding of them, or by referring them to the mind of another, essentially connecting the words being used back to a collective Subjectivity. A community of self-referential minds using words disconnected from anything experienced, or anything real, outside human inter-subjective "realities".
This direct the behaviour to the other, and not to nature which has originally produced it.
The individual is forced to compare his behaviour, his performance, to that of another, as a dancer would compare his dancing to that of another who is dancing the same dance.
The words, also connecting to other minds - noumneon to noumenon, the phenomenon excluded - are also continuously juxtaposed with the official definition, which may not refer to anything outside this inter-subjective community.
Political conflict, in this situation becomes a competition over the word's best definition, compared to the utility, or the the word's best application. In this context "values" become the measure of the behaviour/word rituals social utility.
It's utility outside the community space, the Polis boundary, is of secondary important, if the group's well-being is ensured in relation to phenomenon that contradict the inter-subjective reality's internal alternate "reality".

Those who break the ritual, disturbing its performance, are accused of evil...blasphemy.  


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Rights
Rights are another human noetic construct with no reference outside the human minds participating in the inter-subjective rituals.
It's peak enforces a limit where the "rights of another" begin.
The enforcing of these limits is performed by the State, and not the individual, as in nature, who imposes his Will as the limit of the other's Will.
Within Modern, inter-subjective, Nihilistic, "realities", the Communal Idea(l) of Humanity, replacing the authority of God, imposes and enforces this limit, forcing each individual to come up with creative ways to go beyond them.  

The ritualization of behaviour and the words used in their performance, as well as the "rights" imposed in regards to individuality are most evident when it comes to the most primal of all human behaviours, sexuality.
The sexual dance of seduction is performed in multiple creative ways, all of which are forced to remain true to specific, community, moves/steps/vocalizations.

Nihilistic detachment is also most evident with sex, and sexual behaviour, because intercourse, among mammals, can be witnessed in it many forms outside of human traditions and standards.
The function of sex is only denied by the most stringent nihilists, and the most indoctrinated by modernity, minds, therefore its evolution within social mammals to serve an additional function can also be appreciated more clearly.
Among social mammals, but also other [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], the sexual/seduction game has also evolved some rudimentary ritualized behaviours and vocalizations, but only man has evolved the capacity to contradict this original genetic function using ritualized behaviour and words.
The size and sophistication of human social structures enable behaviours and the words associated with them, to detach from the world they evolved within, acquiring an "independence" from nature/past; social/psychological introversion.
The behaviour may have no relationship, no relation, to anything outside human inter-subjective structures, but may retain some vague connection to its original, natural function.

As an example...the relationship of value judgments having been disconnected from their natural survival function, are reconnected to inter-subjective relationships, describing no more than personal taste, and/or preference.
Similarly the word "gender", as in gender roles, having been detached from its original reference to sexual roles, as in reproductive functions, are now reattached to human noetic constructs, making the word "gender" nothing more but a social construct inhibiting individual tastes/preferences.

Traditions connecting man to his nature/past are converted to superficial performances of individual tastes/preferences, usually performed by individuals in a socially produced and maintained state of neurosis.

To have "rights" it to perform the required sacrifices, to the proper "authority", to appease the God/State, which will, in turn, proffer upon the individual its Divine graces.
Taxes are a form of sacrificial performance, ritualized behaviour, towards the God-Head – an offering to the institutionalized deity what is "rightfully" its own, so as to protect the individual from the “evil" beyond the individual’s understanding, or ability to deal with.
To appease the God-Head is to acquire its power, to channel its magic, therefore the homosexual by remaining a good citizen, buys, from the State, the “right” to do as he pleases, if he does not disturb the other’s right to do the same.
Each individual’s “rights”, are an intimate relationship between him/her and the God-Head, reaffirmed daily, yearly, with a sacrificial offering; a ritualized performance.

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PostSubject: Re: Nihilism: Signs & Symptoms Sat Jul 11, 2015 7:58 pm

Negating the positive, to maintain the nullification of the world:
The fool believes that if he kills the one who tells him he will die, that he will, somehow, live forever.
He convinces himself that it was merely that single man's opinion, and nothing more, and that by eliminating that man he has eliminated the insights he offered, despite the costs and risks to himself.

And so it was with Nihilism, first baptized in the land of Orthodox dis-ease, shifting to Marxist levelling.
The spirit of a people that would be seduced by both these viruses, declared the world void of meaning, purpose, morality a nil, when they, and their noble ancestors were the product of this absence awaiting to be given shape and form.

From then on the world, described as such, became the "nil", and the world of words, idea(l)s that filled it with human contraption the "one" to be fought over, and to be defined.

Nihilistic bipolarity was born of this positive/negative duality.

But the world knows of no such absolute poles.
In every (inter)action the patterns are pulling and pulling to varying degrees, establishing ephemeral unities which are never absolutely stable, not complete, but are being stresses externally, by other patterns and non-pattern (inter)actions but also by internal contradiction to its imperfect harmony.

Consider a drop of oil in a stream.
The congruence is the product of their similarities, their pattern harmonies, but the flows are not completely in tune. the oil, due to its pattern, also resist the water's flow, as it is swept away in the congruence, along the paths-of-least-resistance.
To make the discrepancy more vivid, consider a twig floating upon a water stream down a slope, or by the street-side toward the sewer.
Both twig and water, though different element, different patterns, are in relative congruence, related to the concrete, or the rocks and soil of the hill.
The sum of their mass flows along the path-of-least resistance, and yet twig does not strive to remain floating on the stream, nor does stream care for the twigs participation in its flow.
Their "positive" relating is only in relation to the other patterns, while, simultaneously they also have a "negative" relationship with each other; the twig resisting the flow of water, and the water pushing upon the twig's resistance, neither fully belonging to this twig/water congruence.

And so it is with biological processes.
Although, in time, natural selection have filtered out what is most resistant to the aggregate congruence of flow we call organism, the elements, the particular patterns participating in this congruence, still remain out-of-tune with each other.
As the organism resists patterns external to its aggregate congruence it struggles to deal with internal incongruities.

Life is agon, and all is ordering, not ordered.  
Becoming, not Being.
Towards the Idea(l), the object/objective, never attaining it.

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PostSubject: Re: Nihilism: Signs & Symptoms Mon Jul 13, 2015 1:08 pm

To make the above more specific....in every relating, in every (inter)action between patterns and/or aggregate patterns of relative, not absolute, congruence, there is, entailed in their "harmony" a contradiction.

The atom is a study in balance between pushing and pulling, the congruence is partial, and if it were not sufficient the electron, the proton, the neutron, would not (inter)act in the manner that they do.
All patterns, given a name, by humans, (inter)act as only their patterns can (inter)act....not requiring a grand plan, a telos, a motive.
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If their patterns harmonize, find a congruence of fluidity, as this has been determined by the patterns as they are, then they fall into place, as it were....and they not completely in harmony.
There is no will to remain as one, as some have claimed, inserting the God particle as the fabric....now called universal order.
Electron is flowing along-the-path-of-least-resistance, pulling and pushing, in relating to the other pattern flowing along its own path-of-least-resistance; the two, relating as a flow with its own path-of-least-resistance, as this is determined by their combined patterns, in relation to patterns excluded form their relationship.
This partnership, this momentary congruence, is not intentional. It has no motive - it does not care if it remains intact or not.
There is no direction, no will, no self, on this level of congruity.

Only no the level of life, of directed congruence, can we speak of Will, of a motive to remain intact, as one....and still this congruence, even on that level is not in complete, absolute, harmony.
The contradiction in living organisms, expressed as psychology, as the death and life wish, or as mutations that contradict the existence of itself, are a product of this incomplete congruence.
The balance can be tilted by external factors and what was in congruence, remaining stable for millions of years, becoming unstable, the pushing the disharmony, in relation to what is not part of its congruence, reaching a point where the unity breaks.

This is true for all relationships. We love our mate, our child, our friend, and at the same time a part of us hate him/her.
We enjoy an event and at the same time we are bored with it.
We want life, and we abhor it - resentiment, related to Nietzsche's ubermench.
We are strong and weak, simultaneously - our strength a measure of our weakness in relation to otherness.
We are knowing and ignorant simultaneously, our knowledge not reaching the level of understanding or, when shallow, soon obsolete and requiring a change, a reaffirmation.    
We are healthy and at the same time ill, mutations present, awaiting a trigger to set them loose towards a path of destruction.

Every cell in our body is both a part of a organization, an organism, and, at the same time, separate from it - both one and not one....as the oneness is always a noetic construct and never absolute.

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Symbols, like numbers/words, are human representations of pattern in relation to the organism, the human observer's aggregate pattern.
The (+)(-) indicating spin, relating to the dominant spin of the observer's own atoms, experienced as psyche, as intuition, as emotion, sensation on a sub-conscious level, at first, and then, as in man, raised to the level of consciousness, of lucidity, where categories are formed.
The designations of value are not absolutes, but symbols of relationship, of relation, indicating dominance.

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PostSubject: Re: Nihilism: Signs & Symptoms Mon Jul 13, 2015 4:56 pm

Nihilist/Modern Rule:
If you offer a well-crafted, carefully thought out, full of arguments and examples position all the Nihilist has to do is offer his/her opinion.
Equality dictates that all subjective opinions are equally valid, and so his/her declarations, based no emotion and noumenon detached from phenomena (reality) are just as worthy of respect and consideration as everything else.

An imbecile's dream.

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PostSubject: Re: Nihilism: Signs & Symptoms Mon Jul 13, 2015 5:01 pm

Nihilist/Modern Rule:
No matter how smart you are, how well you argue your positions, how meticulously you've tried to cover all the angles, the modern imbecile can simply call you names, imply shit about you, mostly sexual shit, and then smirk in a self-gratifying way.....like when (s)he finishes masturbating, and is taken by the feeling of gratification, and before the realization that nobody is there to share it will dawn upon him/her.

Next step:
Find master's at bating to share in the experience, each from his own private cubicle.

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PostSubject: Re: Nihilism: Signs & Symptoms Mon Jul 13, 2015 5:05 pm

Nihilist/Modern Rule:
Nothing brings two cynics together than a cold-shower.
The warmth of their internal heat will help them bond, against the cold, harsh world.

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PostSubject: Re: Nihilism: Signs & Symptoms Mon Jul 13, 2015 5:20 pm

Nihilist/Modern Rule:
No matter how degenerate, retarded, clueless, you are, how much your life and your choices expose a feeble mind, if you can jazz it up, make a joke, charm the females, with boyish naivete, and offer hope to the men-children who will want to be just like you, helping them escape the reality of their daily, hum-drum, routines, of quiet destitution, then you are fabulous.

The secret?
Seduction.
Flirting, innuendo, a suave confidence, and the chicks, dicks, and dim-wits, are swept away.

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PostSubject: Re: Nihilism: Signs & Symptoms Mon Jul 13, 2015 5:28 pm

Nihilist/Modern Rule:
If it feels "good" it is "good", and "good" can be adjusted temporally...sometimes pushed forwards into the future, sometimes allowed to be present in the immediate.

No matter how obtuse and simple you are, you can feel, and feelings/emotions are your fast-track to genius.
The body knows what the mind denies.
Surrendering to the innate, spontaneity, of automatic (re)actions, requires zero forethought and analysis.
Perfect for the pseudo-intellectual git, with a large vocabulary, wanting to excuse his/her appetites by turning them divine.

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PostSubject: Re: Nihilism: Signs & Symptoms Mon Jul 13, 2015 5:35 pm

Nihilist/Modern Rule:
All is One is not all is God.
Progress demands a change in symbols, marketing, in packaging and labels.
All old Nihilistic positions must be Modernized, brought up to speed, made to feel new, unique, trendy.
New minds, brought up in new circumstances, need new words, new symbols, new metaphors, associated with that same-old stale and ancient decay - but, still, effective.
All must be useful, applicable, pragmatic within the shared artificiality.

Do not teach history, so as to not connect the current Modern with an earlier "modern" variant.
The Nihilists wants to feel as if (s)he is making progress, advancing, growing, even when he is standing still or slipping back, regressing.
The Nihilists want to feel Modern, up-to-date, the latest thing, up-gradable, current, cutting-edge.

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PostSubject: Re: Nihilism: Signs & Symptoms Mon Jul 13, 2015 5:43 pm

Nihilist/Modern Rule:
Credentials, credentials, credentials.
no mater how stupid you are, how clueless you might be, if you refer and defer to the commonly acceptable authorities, or if you've been sanctioned by the appropriate institutions, you will merit respect and consideration. If not, even if you make valid points, you will be dismissed, piecemeal, as another quack.

With a judgment left to atrophy, the modern needs an external source of validation to evaluate what is in front of him/her.
As always, quantities usurp qualities, and so the quantity of mass appreciation is enough for a final decisive decree.
As a consequence, no matter how simple you may be, if you gain popularity, you are raised to the post of "human value".
Again, seduction is the key...the sexual component.
Flatter offer hope, be "positive", happy, be all-inclusive, soothing, charming, funny, releasing what bottled up stress exists, and you will be worshipped.

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PostSubject: Re: Nihilism: Signs & Symptoms Mon Jul 13, 2015 5:50 pm

Nihilist/modern Rule:
The average modern does not believe in chaos, so injecting your concepts with unwarranted complexity, implying some well-educated depth which you cannot follow-up with, will be considered, by the average Modern retard, as being a sign of complexity, rather than confusion.
Because for the Modern there is no confusion, as there is no chaos, only a deeper intricacy, a secret order, even in stupidity, and mental illness.  

Unlike the usual practice of simplifying what is complex, so that it is understood by the average, displaying a deeper understanding of what is being presented, the Modern does the reverse.
(S)He masks his/her ignorance and mental chaos, in a sea of gibberish, always connecting to other minds where verification is more difficult, and only obtained through proxies.
The trick is to seed the verbal diarrhea with "positive" sounding words, or words associated with hope, love, or some modern imagery the majority has been inculcated with.

Then, let the moron use his feeble imagination to fill in the blanks with whatever bubbles up from his internal cesspool.
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PostSubject: Re: Nihilism: Signs & Symptoms Mon Jul 13, 2015 6:00 pm

Nihilist/Modern Rule:
The Modern confuses reality with utility, honesty with sociability, and so, for this degenerate, remaining a hypocrite is the highest of all values.
His cynicism plays well into this psychosis.
Majority rules, and subjectivity is all that there is, makes sure that his dis-ease is never exposed, and anyone who does so will be assaulted until silent, or ignored until forgotten.

For such a depraved miser, philosophy is another game of words.
One he quickly masters and loses interest in.
he sees lairs everywhere, because he is one.
He hears word-games everywhere because he vomits them.
He see fakes and shallowness in all, because he is producing it in himself.

Then he wonders what philosophy is good for, mistaking his mental-masturbation with an honest, search for the real.
He has mistaken philosophy for a self-help manual, and when he finds no help in it, he dismisses it as pretentious.

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PostSubject: Re: Nihilism: Signs & Symptoms Mon Jul 13, 2015 6:07 pm

Nihilist/Modern Rule:
When all is faked, then (s)he will be the most convincing fake out there.
He is a performer, and his performance is measured by the effect it has no the audience - the impression he leaves them with.

The real is not a reflection in the eyes of the audience; their appreciation, their acknowledgement, their belief in the act.
All becomes an act, and experience, training, is how the actor becomes good at his craft; how he becomes convincing.
Cynicism is seeing actors everywhere.
not to be fooled, not to buy into the pretense, because it's all a game, all fake, all words.
Make the most preposterous claim, expose the most intimate thing, and then play it out...go with the flow.
Feel the audience out, and adjust.
all that matters is making an impression; being noticed in the multiplicity where you disappear in a throng of nobodies.
Audacious declarations, exposing yourself in public, it's all marketing; it's all about selling a product, an image, a character.

The reward?
Seeing them buy it.

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PostSubject: Re: Nihilism: Signs & Symptoms Mon Jul 13, 2015 6:14 pm

Nihilist/Modern Rule:
How does one stand apart in this multiplicity where appearance is, in theory, irrelevant?
How does one get noticed among the myriads of average?
How does one stand out, in the uniformity, when the only kind of standing out is in utility, in community service?

Inflation.
Hyperbole.
Exaggeration.

If not qualitative difference, where the only kind is found in production, then quantitative.
More popular, bigger, wealthier, flashier, more audacious, more shocking and awesome, more degenerate.

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PostSubject: Re: Nihilism: Signs & Symptoms Mon Jul 13, 2015 6:30 pm

Nihilist/modern Rule:
Levelling it all down to a average, uniformity is the highest pretend idea(l) the modern aspires to.
His idea(l)s are all pretentious, so this one need not be more honest.
The idea(l) is simply a defensive move,. Making sure his other inferiorities are excused, while he harbours a secret sense of superiority, and sells the lie of parity to the one he feels he has surpassed...if only in fashion.

It's all fake in his inter-subjective world of agreed disagreements.
The tension keeps him thinking he is exploring the world, as it is, when he is manoeuvring within the social cesspool of uniformity, of cultivated stupidity, trying to find the best place to settle upon.
Never too deeply, because he is always ready to move on, at a minutes notice...and call it "progress'.

The Modern is always updating his positions, sometimes totally contradiction his previous ones.
He does not consider this a symptom of poor judgment, of a simple mind easily impressed and exploited, but of an open-mindedness seeking the best self-flattering world-view out there.

He is a shopper of reality.
Trying on this, and then that, seeing in his reflection how it fits him, how it suits him, before he lets it go for another.



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PostSubject: Re: Nihilism: Signs & Symptoms Mon Jul 13, 2015 6:37 pm

Nihilist/Modern Rule:
When you have nothing to limit you, to contain your imagination, to limit your act, hen everything goes.
Too bad the only rule the modern must bide by is the "right" of the other to do no less.

But a negative hides a positive, and the modern finds in this limit a challenge for his creativity.

When nothing but the other remains between him and his intended effect, his faked character, then inventive ways will be discovered, loopholes exploited in the community rule-book, to exploit, and he will stand-apart in his communion, he will be distinct in his uniformity, no matter what.

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PostSubject: Re: Nihilism: Signs & Symptoms Mon Jul 13, 2015 6:46 pm

Nihilist/Modern Rule:
Being retarded, stunted and maintained in a perpetual state of adolescence, the modern believes that by silencing words, by killing the messenger, by forgetting what has bee spoken of, will save him from the world these words, symbols, expose him to.
Words are magical to him even if he denies the magical in his rational state.
The magical resides in crevices such as numerical symbols and words, full of shapes, denoting sounds and evoking imagery.

He is a magic user, a magic believer, a magician, though he considers himself enlightened and advanced.
His secular positions are a cover for his innate Nihilistic spirituality.
He cannot escape himself.
He is a product of degenerate genes, thrown into a world that cares not for their survival.
What has been permitted to flourish under controlled environments finds what is outside of these conditions deplorable, monstrous, EVIL.

His belief in words is granted, by the simple fact of inheritance.
They are his cleansing vehicle.

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PostSubject: Re: Nihilism: Signs & Symptoms Mon Jul 13, 2015 6:50 pm

Nihilist/Modern Rule:
Make sure you flatter a modern.
Make sure you allow the benefit of doubt.
Make sure you make him feel that the present are excluded from everything expressed.

He may see the ploy, and the intent, and, still, despite himself he will surrender to it, wanting to hear more, and wanting to preserve contact with ideas he rejects and has no other contact with, other than this....rare moment of indiscretion.

Then, allow him to depart, and go home to his bed and to his intimate relationships.
In the morning he would have forgotten that something happened to him, but, without wanting to, it will come up, either when awake or asleep.

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PostSubject: Re: Nihilism: Signs & Symptoms Mon Jul 13, 2015 6:57 pm

Nihilist/Modern Rule:
It dopes not matter how many tricks, how many distractions, how many methods the modern has been given and trained to use.
He cannot escape the world for long.

It is why he is always on the lookout for newer methods, trinkets, distractions, tricks on the market.
That momentary rush of a new acquisition offers him that desired relief, but then a new one must be discovered and purchased.
This is his "progress".

From one product to the other.
From one method to the other.
From one idea(l) to the other.

An addict of escapism.

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PostSubject: Re: Nihilism: Signs & Symptoms Mon Jul 13, 2015 7:05 pm

Nihilist/Modern Rule:
Have you not seen the Nihilist's inversion?
He makes what is simple seem complex, and what is complex simple.

Humanity is far too complex to analyze, constructing rational probabilities, and then race is as simple as pigmentation and hair and looks.
one complex the other simple. one race, the human race, obvious, the other races a bigoted remnant of hillbilly ignorance.
Evolution is simple, natural selection and survival of the fittest, but human judgment, human intelligence, far too complex to hypothesize over.

Have you not seen a Nihilist play with himself, asking you to play with himself too?

He makes the ill seem healthy and the healthy ill.
Stupidity is a dysfunction, but saying that it is more than that, is a dis-ease to be healed.

Have you not seen their social eugenics being sold as a return to "purity", and purity being sold as a byproduct of bad breeding?

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