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PostSubject: Re: The Electric Universe Mon Jun 08, 2015 7:22 pm



This series of short videos from the Thunderbolts Project is worth watching.  All their other videos are as well, particularly the one about the electrical scarring of the planet Mars.  But these short videos together go into more detail on the mythological connections.  

I find every application of this theory/movement convincing. I wonder who else is following this and what your opinions are.

The next annual Electric Universe conference is coming soon; there will no doubt be more great lectures uploaded to the channel.
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PostSubject: Re: The Electric Universe Tue Jun 09, 2015 2:22 am



Also want to add this one.  Maybe the most exciting theory of all.  Proto-Saturn as the original Sun, the birthplace of Earth and the cradle of life.
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PostSubject: Re: The Electric Universe Tue Jun 09, 2015 4:25 am

I think there are different approaches that the electrical universe community takes to establish their view of the universe but the focus on the mythology and symbolisms seems magical to me.
This world view is constructed based on scripture and the interpretation of symbols essentially.
If they were to take the bible and construct their view of the universe to fit that book then they would be called creationists.

It's fine if their world view is finding confirmation in ancient symbols but if it were pretty much based on those interpretations of symbols and myths to begin with then that's more in the realm of magic.

And magic is fine but it's still magic.
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PostSubject: Re: The Electric Universe Tue Jun 09, 2015 8:32 am

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This world view is constructed based on scripture and the interpretation of symbols essentially.

Absolutely not.  

It is not based on those myths to begin with.  The astrophysics, plasma physics, geology, mythological studies, and other disciplines all converge in this movement.  The theory explains the mythology, it does not begin with it. It is perfectly possible to avoid the mythological applications altogether when dealing with the Electric Universe theory, if you wish.

Really, watch some of the videos and you'll see what I mean.  This is the best start:



EDIT:  I think maybe David Talbott (the mythologist) is among the more active and charismatic gabby people in the movement, so his personality and background are quite prominent.  But Wal Thornhill and other physicists (who you'll see in this video) are perhaps the greatest contributors.
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PostSubject: Re: The Electric Universe Tue Jun 09, 2015 8:42 am

This Electric Theory is in line with my own positions.
(Inter)active = existence...electric is energy.

What exists is dynamic, not static.
No such thing as a nil, a void...except as an ambiguous concept in the human brain - the antipode to the abstracted one, the thing.
1/0 are noumena, human ideas, abstractions trying to represent fluidity, or phenomena.
They are symbols, approximations, representations.  
All is flux.
Change Heralictean fire with electricity.

The modern is barely above that of the Bicameral Mind.
It is trapped in binary, self-referential, logic, in linguistic constructs, because the Modern understands language literally, and fails to appreciate it as what it is: art, representational, symbolism.
The Nihilists use this literal understanding to construct all kinds of "corrections", solutions, escapes from the flux.
And like all art some try to depict reality as it is, others try to cover it up and idealize it, while other art-forms try to contradict the real and replace it with their own imagery.

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PostSubject: Re: The Electric Universe Tue Jun 09, 2015 9:12 am

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It is not based on those myths to begin with.

I thought so, that was my first remark, but I think David Talbott is explaining it that way. I didn't get the impression that he is saying that it also explains and is in agreement with such an interpretation of certain myths but that it's based on them.

I like the electric universe theory on an intuitive level and perhaps it can and/or will explain the phenomena very well and additionally give man a more life-affirming, organic, outlook on his becoming.

But I also saw a lot of modern New Age commenters under those videos. I hope they don't make that theory into an all inclusive, all opinions are valuable thing.
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PostSubject: Re: The Electric Universe Tue Jun 09, 2015 9:40 am

Of course the mythological aspects are what I also am interested in, so I am focused on it. One thing I have a lot of fun speculating about is how the theory of planets connected to Earth via the North Pole may have a lot to do with the whole mythology surrounding the so-called Hyperboreans, and of a lost polar tradition.

If indeed there was a time when the northern polar region was highly active elecromagnetically, it would be quite auspicious to be able to claim that you were from that region, had seen it, etc. To be in that location would have been to have a front-row seat, so to speak. The rainbow bridge/golden ladder/holy mountain would have been right there.

Perhaps the ideas of astrology, that the heavenly bodies affect us personally, "spiritually," etc., were at one time not so laughable, if the planets were so close as to have been seen as towering structures in the sky. Their gravitational/electromagnetic fields must have affected people physically as well as being visually spectacular. Then, how much more so if you were actually standing at the pole?

Just some of my meanderings on the matter.
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PostSubject: Re: The Electric Universe Tue Jun 09, 2015 9:42 am

The effects of the earth's electromagnetic field would be a factor. But Lyssa who is well versed in Astrology is absent, and I cannot speculate on it myself.

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PostSubject: Re: The Electric Universe Tue Jun 09, 2015 9:53 am

Would love to hear what she'd have to say about it.
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PostSubject: Re: The Electric Universe Tue Jun 09, 2015 3:52 pm

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Would love to hear what she'd have to say about it.

Saw a video of his a couple of years ago and I didn't take to it.

As you know, I have no sympathy for gnostics and neoplatonic perennialism, of which this Tesla is now all the rage...
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Its also Fixed's fav. theory.

I haven't seen all his latest videos since the last time I saw it on youtube, but David seems to be transposing jungian universal archetype with "plasma", a substratum... metaphysical<>physical, and where this will naturally lead to is one universal humanity, the one truth all humanity once shared, which is empathy, altruism, chairty, compassion, etc....which is what he champions.

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Reg. Astrology, I am NOT an "expert" in it; I have an "avid" interest in the subject.

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All that said, I do believe in the polar theory geomythologically... [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] has two written atleast two good books on the subject that I know of... on the astronomical Orion theory and Hyperborean origins, of the ritual system and beliefs that originated directly from under the long arctic nights...

Correct me if I'm wrong about David.

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PostSubject: Re: The Electric Universe Tue Jun 09, 2015 8:34 pm

I have also noticed the potential for the One Human Race types, perennialists, whathaveyou, to latch onto this theory because of the "substructure" he talks about.  But it always seemed to me easy to see that the effects of the archetypal events supposedly witnessed by humans globally are a different issue from the notion of a shared human nature globally, a collective Platonic soul, whatever.  It's obvious enough that the archetypal events supposedly seen in the sky have nothing necessarily to do with biological evolution and differentiation among the species, for instance.  They may have affected life on earth greatly (for example I tend to believe there may have been a worldwide civilization that was wiped out by some catastrophe or other, perhaps it was interplanetary).  But still it should be obvious that they cannot explain all similarities among humans, or obviate differences that can be explained by evolution/natural selection.

And it has occurred to me that this "plasma" will be interpreted in such a gnostic way as you say.  I read some of the dialogue between David Talbott and the Plasmatic guy you linked to, and you are definitely right about him.  It also bothers me personally but I see it as irrelevant.  He may be motivated by these kinds of beliefs but the application still yields valuable insights.  It bothers me more that people would be turned off by the New-Agey vibes and not look further.  Morons will be morons.  We should watch and see whether David Talbott or other proponents of EU sell this kind of crap to the masses. 

Anyway, Talbott is not the only mythologist promoting the theory.  Rens van der Sluijs is another.  I'm not sure of his personal philosophical beliefs, only that he claims that early on he gave up on a large project of a complete genealogy of mythological figures because "it just didn't work," until he encountered Talbott and the EU theory and it suddenly became explicable to him.



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PostSubject: Re: The Electric Universe Tue Jun 09, 2015 8:35 pm

Interesting that the egalitarian universalist ethos may not be totally attributable to the Judeo-Christian meme but to Ice Age Nordic genes as well.

Here and elsewhere he presents the idea that this Nordic Ice Age culture was a hunter-gatherer culture, native to Northern Europe before the arrival both of Middle Eastern agriculturalists and of Indo-European warrior-aristocratic culture.      

I believe it is associated closely with the Y-DNA haplogroup I1, rather than to R1a and R1b which are associated with the Indo-European culture. They co-existed and admixed and are not so conveniently distinguished today, but still there is a distinction.

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PostSubject: The Electric Universe Wed Jun 10, 2015 11:51 am

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Interesting that the egalitarian universalist ethos may not be totally attributable to the Judeo-Christian meme but to Ice Age Nordic genes as well.

Here and elsewhere he presents the idea that this Nordic Ice Age culture was a hunter-gatherer culture, native to Northern Europe before the arrival both of Middle Eastern agriculturalists and of Indo-European warrior-aristocratic culture.

That's an anarcho-primitivist view of a Saturnine golden age all over before the invention of agriculture; I excerpted so much of Paul Shepard's views here:

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Besides the edenic romanticism, not just Hesiod, but even the Rig Veda speaks of an age where Order was at its max. - the golden age, and then the legs of the "dharma" bull kept reducing by one, as Hesiod demotes it too, to finally the iron age. I see this as a breakdown in the distributive circulation of goods within a social structure [the tripartite one], with the circle in the circulation loosing links... rather than calling the invention of agriculture or any technology or "labour" per se as an Evil like these APs. do... whatever name it goes by "Pandora's box", "Eve's sin", etc.

Meanwhile what needs to be differentiated here, as already mentioned at a couple of places on this forum, by "egalitarianism" as in when Heraclitus too said to teh effect, "Wisdom is open to all"... there is a comos-politanism, unlike the J-Xt. cosmopolitan-ism, pseudo-egalitarianism.

I tend to be cautious about what's being imported into the plasma theory, even after doing away with the interpretations and sticking to the principle itself. Is the motivation to shift to an "ever-present" plasma... a kind of optimism? In explaining past origins, does its subtext promote a view that life is no accident, and can be recreatable?

I dont know.

I'll pick up on all this later.
     

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Gimbutas Mother goddess theory... I can't get my hands on her imp. book... can't comment till I read it.

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PostSubject: x Wed Jun 10, 2015 10:38 pm

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That's an anarcho-primitivist view of a Saturnine golden age all over before the invention of agriculture;

No, it's a claim he's making in his particular field, and about a particular population in time and space.  You are again proposing a possible application that people could make, but again I don't think it's relevant to the idea itself.

For me, the idea of the more indigenous hunter-gatherer culture alongside the Indo-European culture could be analogous to Mitchell Heisman's idea (props to Satyr for recommending it) that English common law, the Enlightenment in Britain, the culture of liberal reform, utopian progressive Protestantism, the founding of the United States, etc., were fundamentally an expression of Anglo-Saxon ethnic identity contra Norman ruling classes, even as it claimed to be universalist.  That is the great irony, therefore, of universalist libertarianism, and helps explain why it's a "White" thing, and in particular seems to be an Anglo-Saxon thing.

Anglo-Saxon feeling of resentment and subjugation to the Norman ruling class could thus be seen as an example of the Nordic Ice Age culture vs. the aristocratic I.E. elitist culture.  And as has been said before, the American Civil War may have been the last example of this clash of cultures.  

None of this precludes or mitigates Jewish involvement, or the involvement of Judeo-Christian memes in modern developments.  In fact it supports and lends further explanation for it.  It suggests that a certain population (Northern Europeans) were particularly susceptible (genetically and memetically) to such memes.  So for example, the Puritans, the 19th-century Quakers and other utopian movements were, yes, Protestant and therefore influenced by the Judeo-Christian meme, but perhaps their prior genes, culture, and experiences of subjugation facilitated its spread in that unique WASPy way--making them sympathize with and propagate oppression narratives.   

And maybe the distinction between I.E. vs. Nordic Ice Age cultures is not so great ultimately, perhaps similarities were great as well. But it is an established fact that haplogroup I1 is the oldest extant European haplogroup, or the most "indigenous" one.  It existed prior to Indo-European settlement and prior to the spread of agriculture in the region.  And it is concentrated in Scandinavia and northern Germany.  At one time, it would have been a more-or-less distinct population from I.E., no doubt with different languages, culture, etc.  Later they would have become assimilated/integrated in I.E. society, but we could expect there to be lingering aspects of it that could sometimes contribute to, or sometimes conflict with, I.E. memes.
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PostSubject: Re: The Electric Universe Fri Jun 12, 2015 6:15 pm

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The sequences allowed the team to tackle questions that have vexed archaeologists for decades, says Allentoft. For example, researchers have disagreed over whether the cultural changes of the Bronze Age were the result of migration or simply the spread of ideas. Allentoft and his colleagues found evidence for migration, in the form of a massive shift in the genetic make-up of northern and central Europeans at the start of the Bronze Age. Before 3000 bc, their genomes resembled those of early farmers from the Middle East and even earlier European hunter-gatherers. By 2000 bc, their genomes looked more like those of people from the Yamnaya culture, which arose on the steppe around 2900 bc.

The findings echo those of a team that sequenced 69 ancient Europeans3. Both groups speculate that the Yamnaya migration was at least partly responsible for the spread of the Indo-European languages into Western Europe.

By the way I realize that my using terms like "I.E. society" when we're talking about vast and blurry genetic and memetic changes can be misleading. I will try to stick to terms like memes and genes.
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PostSubject: Re: The Electric Universe Sat Jul 18, 2015 1:41 am

Some musings....

Lightning, the discharge of an abundance of electrons in the sky toward the positively charged ground.

Humans, masculine and feminine, the feminine attracted towards order, an electron attracted to the protons.

The electrons will attempt constantly to steal, devour, the protons. Those protons surviving the initial assault and test, are surrounded by the electrons.

In conflict, the ego, the protons, become distant... separated from the assault by miles of electrons. The assault must break through all of the protons servants.


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The greater order testing and assaulting the lesser. A release of more electrons than any order around it could handle.

Life is a cooperation between lesser orders to make something greater and distinct.
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PostSubject: Re: The Electric Universe Tue Jul 21, 2015 9:32 pm

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Earth has an electromagnetic structure similar to an atom. There is a layer with positive charge immediately above Earth, then a space of little charge and then a layer of negative charge. During high activity times from the sun, the Earth acquires a new outer layer of negative charge. A pattern similar to what is seen in atoms with inner protons and outer electrons.
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PostSubject: Re: The Electric Universe Thu Jul 23, 2015 3:47 pm

Man called Kevin (or Ken?) Wheeler apparently found the golden ratio abundantly present in magnetism - relevant to the electromagnetic universe.

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It seems pretty advanced but I'm going to try and understand it anyway.

I haven't read any of the following link, but upon googling Ken Wheeler's name, another person talking about the sun being electric seems to have caught onto his work: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

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PostSubject: Re: The Electric Universe Sat Dec 12, 2015 10:35 pm

Renowned "skeptic" Michael Shermer challenges the Electric Universe panel.  

David Talbott's response:


This is the same "skeptic" Michael Shermer who vilified and defamed David Cole for his Holocaust research.
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PostSubject: Re: The Electric Universe Mon May 30, 2016 3:21 pm

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I tried looking into the nature of sunspots according to the Electric Universe theory. I found this article:

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Institutional physicists blame it on magnetism, apparently, that sun spots are cooler than the surroundings. From what I've gathered (with what little experience I have), magnetism and electricity are closely related. They're not far from wrong - but they cannot explain how it works - only declare it.

The sun under this model has some large magnetically inertial point like a black hole. The inertial point is the center of a magnet (and every piece of matter; inertia means not moving). [Src: Ken Wheeler] I believe plasma would be a combination of matter and electricity - which magnetic changes within the sun can affect and "fling off" like it does where there are sun spots.

Light is electrical and magnetic.
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The institutional model of the sun I suspect is a way for them to mesh their chemistry/chemical models with their astronomical ones. Modern chemistry and astronomy is focused on utility more than discovery. That is the top-down method where you take what works (under your present or past conditions) and then break it apart in an attempt to reverse engineer it into something more. Not much issue with that, except if you ignore (and don't explore) other plausible and simplifying explanations for the sake of continuing your search through a model which you have experience with.
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