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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Fri Oct 14, 2016 3:13 pm

Back to Basics...
Simplicity.
To awaken to world and to appreciate the processes that made it possible, and the automatic reactions that maintain it.

To start from the ground-up - Bottom<>UP.
Before there was consciousness to be subjective, there was world out of which life emerged - patterns (inter)acting - dynamism.
There was activity.

This activity produced congruences that would separate and engage world as otherness, producing the subjective/objective divide.

No absolute necessary.
No static.
No beyond.
Nothing hidden
What is hidden is what the subjective emerging consciousness has yet to perceive and to understand - has yet to be revealed.


Consciousness is outwardly focused.
It evolved to interpret and deal with an objective world - an indifferent reality.
It emerges to aid the organism deal with a threatening to its congruity, fluctuations.
Self-Consciousness emerges as ana awareness of self, within world. Self as another otherness.
Third-person perspective.
"I am that which I am not" - relationship of self with otherness.
Self yet to be fully determined - unknown.
Know Thyself in relation to other....all judgments are juxtapositions.
What is subjectivity juxtaposed against?


In its solipsistic Nihilist form...it juxtaposes itself with self.
Dissatisfaction forcing it to integrate other subjectivity so as to be convinced it is not self-referential - inter-subjectivity
Let us vote the truth into practice - let us convert nihilistic subjectivity into pragmatism....a communal problem.

Problem indicates a shared project, mission, motive.

Let is make this particular shared delusion "real".
Only Nihilism is so dependent on others for validation.

For a pagan it does not matter who does or does not agree with his relationship with reality.
They, like him, will face the consequences. The world does not require an agreement, a shared comprise, a project, to exist.
It is, as it was before there were humans to delude themselves with word-games.


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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Fri Oct 14, 2016 3:27 pm

For who does symmetry matter?
To world?
no.
It matters to an organism dependent on order, or the exclusion of possibilities to establish probabilities.

What did Orwell say about the necessity of stating the obvious?
In an age where beauty is denies an objective reality, where any cow can pretend she is pretty, the repetition of what it is, is more than a manual.
It is a matter of setting things straight.

In an insane asylum perhaps the only thing a sane person, trapped within it, can do, is scream the obvious.  


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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Fri Oct 14, 2016 6:11 pm


The problem is a Modern one, or a post-modern one.
It goes back to when all was inverted, staring with the fluid: frozen into absolutes, easily sold to a mind that dependent on artificial, symbolic, absolutes, to make sense of fluidity – Flux.
A mind stills struggling to make sense of its own emergent self-consciousness, confusing the inner voice, for spirits, confusing consciousness of consciousness, for God.
Conspiracy theories in the present, are rooted to this confusion – behind every event lies a motive, a hidden will.
At that point language was hijacked – appropriated by Abrahamic Nihilism.
Today, we cannot think of shame, of guilt, without referring it to Abrahamic principles – and ego has also been taken over by Freud, an offspring of the Abrahamic clan.
So intertwined that when we speak of cost/benefit, or morality, we think of it through that same prism.
Hellenism was selectively appropriated by Judaism to give birth to Christianity, and natural processes are selectively appropriated, redefined, detaching them from their natural roots, their objective functions, reconnecting them with that same dogma.
We are Christianized while we assault Christianity, the most popular variance of Abrahamism, with its own concepts.
To confront it, we must adopt its principles.
Insidious cleverness of the ploy – we are trapped within its paradigms.
To speak of love, will defer you to Christianity
To speak of antisemitism you must feed into the Semitic identifier, inappropriately confusing Semitism, the tribal identity, with Judaism, the ideology.
How else would Moderns dare to try absorbing Nietzsche into Judaism?

The spirit that makes Nihilism thrive is the same spirit that redefines itself, before a world it despises, fears, hates, with a self that is inadequate, feeble, and unable to cope.
This spirit will not go away.
It will be reborn with every human of poor genetic stock, seeking a way to validate self in a world it is unable to survive within without help.
Jesus was redefined because illiterate masses, at the time, had no way to cultivate a relationship with an abstraction they could not conceptualize privately.
They needed a ritualized space, a church, and a corporeal representation, a priest, to make the blood and flesh of Jesus come alive in their minds.
And today, how can a feeble dependent spirit contemplate solitude, a spirit requiring no external self to validate it?
How can it digest Nietzsche when it is still addicted to Christianity's mediating meditations?


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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Fri Oct 14, 2016 6:27 pm

Schizophrenia is the certainty that someone is watching you, when they are simply looking your way, or that someone is speaking to you, when they are simply singing a song, or that a cloud is there just for you, when it is but a cloud.

Paranoia is thinking someone's motives are more than immediately obvious and openly stated.
Distrust of words.

Having evolved to side towards caution in times of sheltering it is superfluous, and mostly psychological.
A remnant of a times of austerity inappropriate in times of abundance.  
Like gluttony...the mind cannot adjust to these new manmade circumstances, having evolved for other environments.  
And like gluttony, some organism have metabolic rates that would put them in a disadvantage in austere environments.


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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Sat Oct 15, 2016 5:37 pm

Weiniger, Otto wrote:
The seeker searches, the priest informs. The seeker searches above all himself, the priest reveals himself above all to others. The seeker searches his whole life long for himself, for his own soul; the priest’s ego is given from the outset as a presupposition of everything else. The seeker is always accompanied by a feeling of imperfection; the priest is convinced of the existence of perfection.

Burns, Steven wrote:
The masochist sounds a good deal like the self-hater, but the contrast is a different one. Its origin, however, is in a similar metaphysical distinction between the one and the many. Human experience is always of pieces lifted from an infinite whole.
Two types of character are then possible: there are people who seek reality in the whole, and for whom every individual thing is only apart; there are people who find each discrete thing fully real, a thing in itself, and only imagine the whole when it is symbolized by the completeness of a discrete thing. The former is the masochist, the latter the sadist. Immediately Weininger takes us a step sideways. The (male) masochist cannot love a woman, because she is not real for him, he seeks something other than the woman in her, and women therefore do not find him attractive. The sadist finds individual women to be very real, and they in turn find him attractive.
So far this masochist and sadist are not the familiar characters who take pleasure in their own pain, or in the pain of others. Weininger was quite familiar with de Sade and Sader-Masoch, and the uses they served for sexologists and psychologists like Havelock-Ellis and Freud.

Nevertheless, in his own theory he puts the emphasis on the character’s relation to the world: the masochist suffers because he is embarrassed in front of women, and passive toward sensations; the sadist rejoices in the confrontation with a woman, and can be absorbed in a sensation, but equally eagerly moves on to the next. Clearly, the potential for pain is evident in these examples, but the usual emphasis on finding enjoyment in it is absent. Instead, Weininger hurries on to align new associations with his original dualism. The sadist can tell stories and jokes, while the masochist cannot hold the little narratives together; for him the story spreads out into a part of the story of everything, and it loses its point. The masochist is dismayed by change, the sadist surprised by duration. In music, rhythm – ‘which attends precisely to every individual note’ – is sadistic, while harmony and melody – ‘in which the individual notes do not emerge as such(57) – are masochistic.
The same holds for geometry and arithmetic, or as we might say, the analogical is masochistic, the digital is sadistic. What is holding these very diverse concepts together is their relation to the holism and atomism with which we started. We should then see, Weininger thinks, that the mystic ‘is identical with the masochist’.” (57) [Wittgenstein reads Weininger – Sex and Solipsism]

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Sat Oct 15, 2016 9:16 pm

When a poet sits by the side of a river, full bellied, and full of energy.
He can contemplate the rushing water, with an eye for the uncanny - his pen quickly trying to capture the slice of a wave, across a stone, or the sound of its rush, letting his mind go free, river merging with the trees, water foam reflected in its wake.

But when he returned hungry, when he baits his hook, his mind turns to the depths, empathizing with cold eyes, shifting across the surface to find the perfect cast - his hand slack to feel the subtle pull, and then quick to draw the catch in.

After he's eaten, again, mind changes moods, and he searches for his pen and pad.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Sat Oct 15, 2016 9:21 pm

From need we rise to dominate what once we were subdued by.
A noble mind seeks isolation when cooperation has provided leisure enough, and when the original need subsides, and the compromise made is no longer a benefit, but now increasingly a burden he wants to cast aside.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Sat Oct 15, 2016 9:40 pm

Nothing as pathetic as a mental-midget inflating his proverbial intellectual chest, with words, boasting and then contradicting what he was previously so proud of.

A man acts, dominates, and then claims his place, with no fanfare.
A strong man does not need to speak of how strong he is to those who can more than see it for themselves.
A man only boasts about what he is  most uncertain, wanting others to acknowledge his desire.

A woman needs to be seen, or needs a man behind whom she can be seen, in pom and circumstance.
Her surrender requires validation, otherwise she doubts herself, and her judgment.
Unable to compete with actions, she needs words, and the arena where words battle for supremacy of wit.
But, is a boast witty, or is a witticism a indirect boast?

Remarkable when mental-midget, so keen to cloud their mental prowess with ambiguity and flowery words, evoking some mystical realm, but when it comes to proving themselves in reality, their wit is replaced with vulgar, dull, bragging.
If a woman desires such a thing, then she will find it readily available to her....in America, where simians do it regularly in athletic arenas, and in word-associating "art".
Do not Semites boast the best?



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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Sun Oct 16, 2016 7:20 am

The earth is not the end.
It is what we dig into not to hide, but to build.

A man who has his feet firmly placed on earth, his mass digging into it, has achieved his balance, can reach for the fig, on a high branch, or to the star.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Sun Oct 16, 2016 7:44 am

Indifference for the outcome comes from excess in past/nature, accumulated as experience as talent, as self-sufficiency.

A hunter who has killed many prey is confident in his talent, his ability to kill another. He is indifferent to the potential prey, knowing another will come along; he is generous with it, because he is not dependent no the kill but on his talent.

Indifference, in degree, born of understanding, sees in the kill something he can enjoy, or do without.
Experience may have broadened his tastes, or food has only become means to an end and not an end in itself.
Hunting skills, and his talents with them, are of secondary importance.
He kills and eats because he must, to maintain himself in a condition appropriate for his true goal.
He does not gain self-esteem from the outcome because it is not his goal, but a way of moving towards it.
Being admired, or respected, as a good hunter is of minimal importance, because his status within the group is not an end, in itself, but a necessary convenience/inconvenience.


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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Sun Oct 16, 2016 7:55 am

A cell, participating in an organism, has forfeits its independence to gain an increase in survivabilty, product of synergy.
It places survival above independence, as all based organism do automatically.
A reason why, in base animals, with no self-consciousness, the sexual drive has to overcome this primary drive for survival.
The organism is inebriated, chemically/hormonally, placed in a state of frenzy-madness, so as to overcome its innate fight/flight mechanisms.
Love/Lust, is described, as madness.

Man can appreciate the mechanism because he can think beyond the immediate, and is cognizant of his own mortality, and vulnerability in relation to cosmsos, and not only its own kind or life, in general.
But how do you make a base organism, genetically programmed to put survival above all else, not knowing why it acts as it does, to behave in a self-destructive way?
Hormones, flooding the brain, altering behavior.



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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Sun Oct 16, 2016 8:30 am

Subjectivity is to Objectivity what weakness is to strength, and power.
It is what ignorance is to gnosis.

The organism begins with an inheritance of preprogrammed "knowledge".
Nobody has to teach a lamb to begin the process of finding its footing.
Nobody has to urge it to do so.
It has no clue why it does so, does not know the survival benefit, or how it must quickly walk and run because the world is full of dangers.

Will towards...
One places gnosis as a goal, not omniscience.
Nihilists equate degree of knowing with a telos of absolute knowledge.
Only weaklings think in either/or absolutes, where they surrender to the ideal of absolute power, because they find themselves inadequate in the degree they can achieve.

We know there is a world unknown to us.
Are we certain?
No, because this word indicates absolute knowledge.
We are cognizant, intuitively knowing, that our perceptions of world are not the world.
Our experiences reinforce this hypothesis.

World is our objective.
Objectivity doe not mean absolute knowledge, or lack of emotional corruption in our perceptions of it.
Subjectivity is, like the lamb, driven to stand, not really understanding the reasons, only feeling the urge.

We know there is a world because we exist, and we had not existed previously.
To assume that the world was born when we awakened to it, is not only vain but solipsistic, and the world we subsequently experience contradicts this, as it does not bend to our expectations but only to our will when we understand it, and are not corrupted by emotions, ego etc.

The world, and not only humanity, tells us what we are, by presenting us with what we are not.

Objectivity is a movement towards it by a subjective mind, aware that it exists within an unknown world, that it is vulnerable within it, and powerless before it, unless it begins to build knowledge and, more importantly, understanding.
The organism and its subjectivity, its mind, begins,a s the lamb, from a position of weakness.

Some species evolved particular traits that developed to the point that any individual born of it, did not require support.
Heterosexuality being the only cooperation it was forced into, and this as a compromise before a fluctuating cosmos, where mixing genes (pasts) was a more efficient method than mitosis - the slow adaptation of genes to environment.
The compromise, of heterosexuality, unknown to the organism practicing it, mixed and mingled double the mutations, producing cascading advantages and disadvantages, that would have taken cellular division more time to develop using trial and error and the slow accumulation of mutations in a single organism.

Synergy, such as the human organism, made of of millions of different cells, offers na advantage based on a compromise.
Awareness of it may inhibit its harmony, just as awareness of what love/lust is may reduce its magical effect, or how being aware of what dancing is will trip you up, make you less elegant.
Ignorance allows the programming to manifest as actino, withuot the mind getting ni the way - self-consciousness.
This is called being "in the moment", or "in the zone".
It's a form of meditation, one attains AFTER one has become self-aware, because animals do not need not, being continuously in the moment, their senses continuously outwardly focused, with minimal, if any, self-awareness to divert their attentions inward.
Being "in the moment" is to be entirely given to the past/nature, to its already inherited codes of behavior, allowing for a more honest relating.
Honesty does not, automatically, mean successful, it means the actor is not evaluating cost/benefits, but is simply acting intuitively, instinctively, spontaneously.
To be aware of potential costs/benefits will decrease the elegance and efficiency of the performance of self-expression.
In animals this evaluation of cost/benefit happens instinctively, not burdening the brain with data that may detract from its efficiency in acting.
This instinctive, intuitive method lacks clarity, precision, objectivity, but it compensates by allowing a greater degree of efficiency, of synergy.
The act is free from precedent, and probability projections, and a cost/benefit analysis, and simply acts in accordance to automatic genetic codes.

Memory takes a long time to manifest as presence.
A pretty girl infected by a virus will not display the apparent sings until they've accumulated to a perceptible level - she may look healthy, fit, and be ill.
Same applies for experiences.
Genetic code is the product of experiences preceding the birth of the lamb.
Its own will add, or usurp these, but this may take a while, as the effects of its experiences will only become perceptible after they've accumulated to a level where they corrupt inherited experiences.


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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Sun Oct 16, 2016 12:10 pm

Remaining blind is not affirmation.
Ignorance is not courage.

One affirms positive/negative as cost/benefit to self, and then acts despite of it, guided by a motive that surpasses the self.

Linguistics....all that is either, or...in this case if it is not so, it is Christian, when Nihilism comes in many forms, and the Noble in fewer, but still more than one, the singular.
Positive/Negative, cost/benefit.
To recognize the costs AND the benefits, is not to surrender to them.

Seeing costs/benefits in the immediate must then proceed to projections, beyond the immediate and also beyond the subjective.
Cost/Benefit in relation to cosmos, or to otherness.  

Giving of what one has in abundance, what one produces with minimal effort, is not generosity.
Generosity is giving of what one lacks, and one struggles to produce.

Animals analyze costs/benefits intuitively, unable to conceptualize - they remain in the present when they do not have a mind to project, or to judge without their individual needs.
Their subjectivity is present, and it cares not for objectivity.
An animal is unable to measure costs/benefits my mixing tangibles with intangibles, phenomena with abstractions.

The romantic idealism that convinces itself that self is not selfish, or that it gives of what it has no hope of replenishing, for no self-serving reason, is what makes the real magical.

Nature evolves with specific processes.
In its most primal state, there is no nobility, no generosity, there is only survival.  
Heterosexuality evolves having to overcome this basic life principle.
Going beyond the pain/pleasure principle, is first achieved with sexual frenzy, lust, evolving into the social bonding mechanism of love.
The organism has no clue why it is driven to do what it does, despite putting itself in risk, despite a cost potential greater than the benefit, which it connects to the release of stress, called orgasm - internal pressure, product of need, accumulated and pressuring the animal to release it.

It has no noble cause, no expectation of an offspring...it is driven by a madness, overpowering all other needs based no lack, or need/suffering.
The desire to release, to relieve itself, overwhelms it.

Humans, evolving afterward, try to justify this madness, having access to patterns, knowledge of past/nature, precedent, having the ability to project into future, beyond the immediate, having the mental ability to abstract, replacing the tangible for intangible costs and benefits.
Man distinguishes himself from animal, form manimals, not in substance, but in his ability to postpone gratification, expecting bigger benefits, the ability to think outside self-gratification, for the "greater good", or in relation to his past, his ancestors, or to an ideal, projected as a guiding principle.  

Mystifying the simple, such as life, the most intimate, is an attempt to insert concepts that will make it other than what it is.
Existence is mystifying, by itself, because it is fluctuating, it is expanding in possibilities, not like life restricting possibility, which is called ordering, and it is producing, with its interactivity, randomness, the antithesis of ordering.
The need to mystify life, using words, so as to claim a difference, such as that attempted with those who insist on a non-African human heritage, or by inventing civilizations, such as Atlantis, to claim a place within it....is an attempt  top dehumanize one's self, so as to escape error, to claim a birthright.  
It is an attempt to hide, to not be seen through the actions of what preceded.


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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Sun Oct 16, 2016 12:24 pm

Nihilism was not invented by Judaism, or Christianity or Islam, or Marx, or Buddhism.
Morality was not invented by memes.
Fear, shame, lust, guilt, were not invented by religions.

All these emerge as life, as part of living within a fluctuating, as part of survival strategies, within (inter)active Flux - cosmos.
To have courage is not to not feel fear.
To be noble is not to lack the potential for baseness - it is more noble to have the capacity to be base and be able to control it.
To feel ashamed and guilty is not a product of human ideals.

Memes from Genes.
Nihilistic memes simply give form, shape, they exploit and manipulate what is already genetically present.
An individual may have a greater, or lesser, potential for it all, which only means that his achievement, if he is to control self, will be greater than for the one born with a lesser degree.
Example - a genetically born asexual will find it easier to remain celibate, than the average heterosexual.
For him it is part of his nature, for the other it necessitates constant willing - it comes into conflict with his nature.
For the first it is a pattern one can expect, for the other it is always uncertain.

For a moron, who can understanding nothing, repeating the narratives he was born in, is easy. There's no other competing narrative to make him doubt himself.
For one who does not see much, remaining blind to divergence is part of what comes naturally to him. He is not troubled.
To an ignoramus, entering the Amazon full of piranhas is not courage.
For an alpha getting laid is not a great feat, as it is for an inferior male.
So easy that he wonders why the other males have a tough time at it.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Sun Oct 16, 2016 1:11 pm

Ideal in relation to Real

Omnipotence is idealized strength/power.
Power is idealized weakness, dependence.
Omniscience is idealized knowledge/understanding.
Objectivity is idealized subjectivity.
Beauty is idealized symmetry/proportionality.
Self is idealized mind/body harmony.
Perfect is idealized noumenon.
Complete/Whole is an idealized phenomenon.
Freedom is idealized contingency, causality.
Good/Evil, or Good/Bad idealized cost/benefit, one from the perspective of spiritual Nihilism (Abrahamic) and the other from the organic perspective (Pagan).

The idea(l) is the noetic, based on the experience (stimulation) of the apparent (phenomena) via a medium.
Experience is personal precedent, which knowledge adds to with the experiences of others.  
The phenomenon is made apparent via the mediating phenomenon of light, atmosphere, electromagnetism, which remains unseen, unless we make it the focus of our sensuality by using an alternate medium.
For example, we can make light apparent by using a form of slow patterns we call matter, and how light (inter)acts with matter, this time suing matter to perceive light.

In theory all is possible, because it does not require validation in experience, of the first or second hand kind.
Theory is possibility, remaining probable because it has not been applied.
Noumena remaining free of phenomena.
Nihilism builds it construct in this way, untroubled by any application - if it dares to apply theories fabricated free from any phenomenal application, then to preserve their theoretical purity they must lie, or cover the consequences with mystifying ambiguity.    

Noumenon evolved as a way of representing and coping with the phenomenon made apparent Sensually, using a medium.It was a tool for engaging reality...or world.

World is not perfect, nor is not complete, lacking all absolutes, other than the ones man manufactures in his mind, as noumena/abstractions, and then projects as goals and/or as desirable goals, ideals.
Mind can lie, the body cannot.
Human ideologies are routinely contradicted when they are based on only noetic artifices, with minimal reference to a phenomenal world - experiences, precedent, knowledge/understanding.
The degree to which it is detached determines its success/failure rates, and the required degree of intervening institutionalized, regulating force, adjusting cost/benefits according to its own ideals/goals.

Idea(l) is a product of a mind's relationship with the real, either directly, or through a mediating source - first or second hand.
This relationship can be affected by the mediating force, the proxy.
Body, as a manifestation of past/nature, relates to reality dependent of mediating proxies, unless the proxy is so powerful as to create a artificial reality around the mind/body, the organism. In this case the body's memories, product of direct (first hand) and indirect (second hand) experiences will be confronted by this artificial real.
This intervening proxy is the meme.
If the meme's impact on the brain is strong enough then the body's memories/judgments might be repressed, redirected, sublimated to the point where the body's judgments are silenced, or pushed out of consciousness (subconscious).
The body can imitate, after prolonged trial and error conditioning, but it cannot lie, as the mind can - it cannot pretend.
The mind's will must be powerful if it is to dominate and deal with the body's decrees, in accordance with the mind's preferred outcome of cost/benefit - idea(l).
Training/Education, habituation, exercise, increases the minds control, resulting in what is called 'second nature" also called civility, or cultivation.
In this both Pagan and Nihilistic ideals apply, the former to enhance, selectively, but not deny, and the latter to reject, ignore, forget, and overturn.

Body can imitate unconsciously, not requiring its awareness nor its consent, by the process of evolution, but it may also attempt to imitate in self-aware organisms, by adopting the appearances of that which it wishes to appear as - driven by a dedication to a memetic ideal, or as a way to conceal self, by changing appearances, and this last we call an image.



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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Sun Oct 16, 2016 2:02 pm

Border, boundaries are not fixed is time/space.
It is that they can never be fixed that they must be reaffirmed, constantly.
It is BECAUSE there is no absolute that the mind manufactures them....it is BECAUSE there is no completion, no wholeness, that the organism fabricates a skin, a shell.
It is BECAUSE there is no certainty that makes the mind harvests patterns.
It is BECAUSE there is no telos, that the mind creates ideals.
It is BECAUSE of expanding possibilities, that the mind seeks for probabilities.
It is BECAUSE there is no one, no singularity, that the brain uses binary logic and dualism, to represent fluidity.

It is BECAUSE there can never be a closing-off, that the mind constantly builds walls, categories, repairing them, expanding them, strengthening them...affirming them over and over....and this constant affirmation is called consciousness.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Sun Oct 16, 2016 4:16 pm

An example of what some call Dionysian self affirming....of positive/negative.


Girlies admire that style of alpha dawg.
He be calling himself great, 'cause dat be wut will to power means.


Dat be reaffirming.
He be proud and he want da wurld to know how great he be.
No humility fur dat dawg.
Shiat...look at the shorties he got.
Bling, bling, a crib, bouncing wheels, and a fast rack.
An ideal commander in the field of the real, leading the way with his appeal.
Getting panties wet, with zeal.
How can we forget, our first?
Pulling us up to ecstasies un-real, ruining us to all who would follow.  

We draw inspiration from shit-Stain who, with daring, declared himself genius, and above it all. He be the authentic philosopher, living out his greatness, honestly.
Acknowledged by all those who know Dionysian from the source.
Being happy, living the good life, keepin' it real.

Let the girlies show us how to be men, hoping that, this time, they will not be disappointed by their own creations.  
Finding excuses to explain their disinterest in the final product.
Tension slackened when the boy is born.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Sun Oct 16, 2016 4:30 pm

Be advised, her natural vulnerability will make her reluctant to confront directly.
Her seven-year-itch will make her seek indirect ways of moving along, climbing up the hierarchy - hypergamy.
Today, she may cheat on you, making it painfully obvious, without having to say a word, but in the past, when this could mean getting physically assaulted, or even killed, she would make herself unbearable, in annoying little ways - each sending signals of disinterest, wanting you to do the "dirty deed", so she can remain innocent and pure.
When they've drained you of all they have judged as "valuable" they need to milk a new source of its different vitality.

It is part of her nature.
Do not be surprised by it.
If anything, be surprised by the exception to the rule, and try to explain it.

You shouldn't be surprised, or hurt, by it.
It's part of how nature keeps the species healthy.  
Be aware, and appreciate how time is of the essence, in such matters.

From tree trunk to tree trunk, the woodpecker pecks the wood, trying to get to the worm within.  


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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Sun Oct 16, 2016 4:59 pm

What is inherited, is still deserved.

What follows is another matter.

Those who write with clarity are never misunderstood.
Those who fear being understood, write in ways that feeds into convenient misunderstanding.

How many have misunderstood Satyr?
Only the foundations of my writing, not the product.


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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Sun Oct 16, 2016 7:26 pm

They expect to piss on Satyr as part of their personal development, comparing him to filth, associating him with garba..........aaaaah, but who am I trying to fool?
I only jest.
Talking of my fake identity in the third-person, is a sign of my instability.
So crazy that I am no longer troubled by such insubordination.
It is part of what is to be expected.

And, if I act, jittery it is to inject some adrenaline into my bloodstream, and make it all less of a bore.

Using the public domain to air-out your "clean" underwear, hanging them next to the neighbour's dirty ones, can be interpreted in many ways.
Particularly when both pairs hang on the same clothesline, and came out of the same house.    

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Sun Oct 16, 2016 7:51 pm

I've heard of some species who o not fair well in captivity.
They whither and die, as if they cannot endure a partial expression of their nature.

Man is the only animal I know of that has the capacity o choose death rather than endure a life of indignity.
The degree is set by each individual's nature, adjusted by its upbringing.
This is the source of nobility.
To place pride, and ideal above life itself.

The "border" where compromise and necessity becomes undignified, is fluid.
Where it occurs, by whom, for what reason, all determining its fine line of irreparable transgression.
When the line is crossed, like a shattering teacup, try as you may you cannot undo the crossing of the Rubicon.
With no way back, there is only forward into unknown territories.


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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Sun Oct 16, 2016 8:08 pm

Hyper-Sensitivity of a spirit can be measured by how quickly it is hurt by words.
It cannot stand the slightest insinuation, though it causes no lasting harm, no physical deformity, a constant reminder.

This may just be the particular individual's' relationship to words, and his inexperience with real pain and suffering, knowing only the psychological kind.

The word, as representation of the nervous system, indicates a motive, an intent - precursor to an act.
A possibility, raised into consciousness, by another, as a probability, with a single utterance.
That the other speaks it, means he has considers it, or it spontaneously emerges out of his inner core as an act he is capable of, or is, at least, capable of taking into consideration.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Mon Oct 17, 2016 7:37 am

What we call philosophy, has been the slowly developing self-understanding of psychology.
Like psychology, philosophy cannot claim to be a science, according to how science defines itself.
Philosophy is the nervous system, brain hub included, immersed in body, a porous, incomplete shell, detaching it from world, which it can now only engage sensually, through a medium.

Body is the manifestation of past, and the nervous system is this past awakening to the present, to presence, interpreted as appearance.
This slow process can be disconcerting.
The body is rediscover as something alien, as an otherness, which the nervous system emerges/grows, out of, as the body emerges out of past to be presence.
A normal stage of self-exploration, playing with one's newly discovered body, mesmerized by the hand, exploring the genitals and the sensations their produce, the tongue and how tastes play on its surfaces, with the eyes, and movement, a very significant experience for a predator species.
Nervous system emerges, in body and cosmos simultaneously.
The body a negation of space/time, an appropriation of territory - the body encloses space/time within a porous, imperfect, shell. An imprecise, flexible boundary, creating the delineation of cellular systolic/diastolic codependency - I and Other, Internal and External.

Within power grows - appropriating energies from external sources, if the methods inherited are effective.
Within is will holding some power. Without, it is still powerless, unless it gain gain sufficient control of the within the fluctuating boundaries of skin or exoskeleton.

The Mind is in the stage of projecting the within to the without - externalizing its increasing self-awareness and self-control.
Modern techniques & technologies are the product of self-awareness. Internal processes externalized, using codes that transform and transfer these internal relationship into a new medium.
Humanity is currently externalizing its growing self-awareness, and this method can be an inversion: what was within is now without.
Dreaming of a cyborg hybrid is dreaming of a total transference of self into a more resistant recyclable medium - into a less porous exoskeleton, a more flexible skin. It is the dream of transplanting the nervous system from past/nature to a preferable, more detached form.
Transplantation can be risky.
The new body may reject the new attachment.
Man needs to figure out what might be lost and if he can remain sane after its completion - what is man's core, defining, components, to be preserved and detached to the new outer shell.
A body without a past, but only a future.
What cellular memories will be lost.
What genetic experiences sacrificed.
What does it mean to be human - back to psychology and growing into adulthood.
Full of insecurities, confusion, doubts.
Who am I?
Why am I here?
Adolescent anxiety.
Will I accept the image I am given, the role I am placed in?
Who will be my peers?
From who will I mirror my identity?

I am what I am not....but who will I not be, so as to be me?
What organs shall I call my own?
What proportions will I identify with?
How much of the body will I transplant along with my nervous system?
Genitals, stomach, liver, skin?

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Mon Oct 17, 2016 9:19 am

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] were fought in areas where Christianity was confronted by Hellenic paganism. It was a settling of internal balances.
Islam refuses to depict its highest icon, reflecting the Jewish tradition of not even naming their – words being representations.
The implication is that all words, all symbols, are representations of the divine, and giving it a singular name, or symbol, is blasphemy reducing it in scope.
Christians, affected by their selective contact with pagan traditions that represented the divine in all its forms, have adopted this practice, beginning with the symbol of the crucifix.
They compensate for any loss of mystery by convoluting the meanings they ascribe to the symbols.
Icons are representations of nervous energy, depicted as letters, number, runes, as art.
The icon is purified of all relationships, into a dualistic good/bad which it then defines in mystical ways to factor in fluidity.
Worshipers still sanctify, as the Church does, after death. Death cleanses the icon of all its worldly failings. The deceases is resurrected as pure noumenon – idea(l).
Reduced to a pure abstraction – sexless, race-less, human-less.
It is human in theory, but divine in practice – he/she do not apply.
It is mind.  
Objectivity converted to abstraction detached from “unclean” world – past/nature.
It is why the metaphors of the singular God are not given artistic form with Muslims and Jews.
The one is multiplicity. Christians used the triadastic concept, adopting the Platonic psyche to their new-beginnings.
Imams and Rabbis are imperfect representations of the indescribable, but priest are held to a more stringent standard, already depicted as image.
They must imitate the imagery, copy the icons, and though their fallibility is admitted in theory they remain unsoiled after they pass-on their dirty corporeality; cleansed with the blood of Christ they are reborn, in memory, as pure spirit.
Imperfections admitted, what remains is for the doubter to expose them. If he cannot the icon remains unblemished. With no presence to expose him, his status remains unsoiled through the ages – perfection, in theory, challenging all to prove it fallible.
Deification is the detachment form the worldly – so that, in abstraction, it theoretically must only remain true to its own premises – like human mathematical logic.
It is judged, by the believers, on its internal consistency, when no reality can contradict it, or test its theory.
Memory of the man is slowly replaced with an idealized version. What works he left behind, adjusted to that iconic infamy – preserved as one preserves a dead saint’s bones, as miraculous, healing, powerful magic.
What contradictions remain, as codified memories of his fallibility, his presence, narrated by the icon itself, are slowly ignored or justified as part of his depth of wisdom – to be deciphered and studied, for ages to come, until the man and the icon merge into one sacred ever-present noetic being.
Even such minds as Nietzsche are now being “reformed” to fit into current ideals; adapted to current necessities, each individual adopting the one that suits his/her own needs.
He is, often, being absorbed into a rebirth of the same dogmatism he opposed.
This is how opposition is dealt with, post mortem.
Hitler will one day be reborn as an icon of humanism – his words, preserved in text, will be reinterpreted, his image cleansed according to new standards of cleanliness.
He may even be reborn as the great benefactor of the Jewish people.
The anti-rabbi, as Nietzsche was the Nihilist and the anti-anti-Semite.
Double negatives so easily exploited.
Already Jewish dominance, in the west, is explained as part of his cleansing practices – the rabble done away with to let the gifted bloom among alien peoples.
Purified of all “human” nastiness, his words are redefined, by changing the meanings.
Meanings being how words connect phenomena, but in this case when phenomena are excluded, what remains is a reconnection of noetic contrivances – past world can be imagined in any way suitable to the connections required to be established. An easier problem to solve, particularly when the source is not present to contradict what he is being converted into – children and old people being soon after-life, begins/ends, are easiest to baptize, and given a new name.
A cadaver, like a baby, dressed in his new chastening.
Inconsistencies are not explained as a man’s struggle with his own doubts, his own ignorance, but as hiding deeper significance – profound messages in simple skepticism. Human frailty covering a secret power, the icon is raised from the dead as sacred.
He can do no wrong… because nobody can prove he has been wrong.
His words preserved, as the testaments of his own making, delivered with artistic ambiguity, contradictions, allowing us to imagine whatever we desire.
An icon that can resist the passage of time.
Yes, wanting to be misunderstood, as were the writers of Biblical history.
Either divine, and/or victim of human depravity.  

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Mon Oct 17, 2016 9:33 am

Purifying Resurrection
If an icon is attacked by his worshipers, it is from the direction of their greatest need to cleanse the icon of its most vile contradictions.
Believer reinterprets its own belief to accommodate the desired outcome.
He then feels like he's been critical, has not simply accepted and surrendered, but that he's gone through a period of skepticism.

Most obvious among Bible study groups.
Text is redefined, so that the nastiness within is justified to accommodate the interpreters personal misgivings.  
The source is never doubted, but one's own understanding of it must be. The individual thinks of this as his coming awake, or his skeptical, critical phase, before enlightenment, and total acceptance enters the heart.
Contradictions are not understood as innate, but as a result on the reader's misunderstanding.  
World is excluded as a reference point to clarify both text and reader's understanding of it.
reader and author, are bonded through text. Their nervous systems, one dead, the other's vibrant, find in the reader's vibrancy a common life.
Text acting as sperm, fertilizing the mind, across time/space, and like all heterosexual fertilization parts of author and parts of reader are incorporated into a new identity.
Contradictions are, in this way, excluded from the new construct, as are the reader's own failings.
The outcome, the offspring of minds bonding in intellectual intercourse, theoretical copulation, can only be pure noumenon - sacred, divine, infallible, inhuman.  

An icon. An image, whose weaknesses are now part of its endearing charms - its objective reality.
Theory with flesh and blood.
In theory an extinct species, such as the Mammoth can be salvaged from a single hair - using the memories encoded there. It can be brought to life.
With icons there is no such rebirth. The icon lives as theory, through his noetic codes.

The resurrected cannot be permitted to prove the resurrector wrong, or threaten him, correct his hypothesis, make him regret his cause.
The icon remains forever unsoiled, beneath the soil.  

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Mon Oct 17, 2016 5:45 pm

Scatology
Accepting feces as an inevitable byproduct of life, appreciating it as such, is not the same as ingesting it and trying to find "positive" things to say about its taste.
Renaming it fertilizer, to imply how tasty it is to pretty flowers, is one method.
Calling shit what it is, by clearly defining it as exactly what it is, with all the collateral positive usages implied.


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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:45 am

Anatomical
Skin is a flexible exoskeleton, permitting more fluidity.
In some species the skeleton is externalized.
Early life had no skeleton, only a porous membrane containing the organism’s organs.
This membrane is the movement away from possibility, time/space. A rudimentary boundary attempting to exclude all possibilities, so as to internally promote the preferred – converting them to probabilities.
The boundary can never be complete (absolute) forcing a compromise.
Internalizing the skeleton crates a frame for the organs to organize around.
Nervous system attaches itself to it, as it is the most fragile collection of organs, and has to remain sensitive, flexible.
Skin is the fluid extension of organic will, extended further through the nervous system.
Higher life forms, makes use of a hybrid method.
Skeleton is the frame all the other organs wrap themselves around, configuring themselves in accordance to each species survival functions, manifesting as proportionality.
The ideal dictated by efficiency of evolved functions – fitness.
Nervous system wraps around the skeleton, extending into the other organs, evolving a central hub (brain) at the end of the spinal cord – the center of the skeleton. Skull creates an exoskeleton to protect the more vulnerable organ, and most costly in energies.  

Nervous System
This organ is most developed, in proportion to the other organs, in man.
The hybrid skeletal structure accentuates, in man, the mind/body division, and the esoteric/exoteric distinctions – body, reflecting a more primal, cellular, heritage, is outwardly present: extroverted.
MANifesto: Psychology – Extrovert
Specialization compensates for this vulnerability, using reaction speed, muscular strength or alternate specialized survival strategies, like flight, burrowing, mass etc.
The brain’s exoskeleton encases it within cranium – accessing the world via the senses, and its body.
The human proportionally large encased brain produces the introverted character of humans.
Dominated by brain, or by another organ, determines the individual’s introverted/extroverted psychology – which is usually a combination of both with one disposition governing personality, and the other being subservient, often emerging when brain is inebriated, incapacitated, damaged.
Balance between the two would demand a Hellenic asceticism, cultivating the weaker organs to counter-balance the domination of the one.
Since brain is the distinguishing organ of the homo sapient this asceticism/athleticism is usually associated with the development of body, and the training of brain to control its growing strength.
Bipedal upright movement places head, enveloped by cranium, above body enveloping spinal cord and nervous system.
Pragmatically the reverse is true. Walking upright is a relatively recent development.
Brain is rarely dominant in most humans. Another organ, usually the reproductive organs, control – a return to the primal, animal, state from where man emerges, where stomach and then sex organs are served by brain.  
More sophisticated individuals tend to underdeveloped body because mind is naturally dominant. Mind must will the body’s cultivation, body cannot will the mind’s development – it is passive, in this regard. Need/suffering, transmitted through the nervous system affects brain, and then brain responds via the nervous system.  


Juvenal wrote:
Healthy mind in healthy body.
orandum est ut sit mens sana in corpore sano – νους υγιής εν σώματι υγιεί …

You should pray for a healthy mind in a healthy body.
Ask for a stout heart that has no fear of death,
And deems length of days the least of Nature's gifts
That can endure any kind of toil,
That knows neither wrath nor desire and thinks
The woes and hard labors of Hercules better than
The loves and banquets and downy cushions of Sardanapalus.
What I commend to you, you can give to yourself;
For assuredly, the only road to a life of peace is virtue
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A fact to be kept in mind, is that in a hunched-over mobility, such as with other primates, the sex organs, for the male, are always perceptible on its peripheral vision, but not so for the female. For the female they are removed from sight.
This should be considered when evaluating male/female psychologies.  

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Tue Oct 18, 2016 12:28 pm

Philosophical Metabolism
Philosophy reflects humanity’s mental maturation.
How could it not, when it is the application of words/symbols, expressing a relationship with the object of its investigation, the world? It is nervous system/brain, engaging world.
Consciousness emerges out of pattern congruities. Self-consciousness emerges later. The sequence is decisive – causal chains from unconsciousness towards self-consciousness – maturing.  
It starts with an infant’s awestruck wide-eyes, harvesting all that moves, exploring otherness, as it comes into contact with tis sense organs, with the body being the largest and most restricted, in space/time.
It then settles, having engorged on sensual input to digest, turning inwards.
Blood rushes away from the brain to the digestive system, and the mind becomes introspective, lethargic, and content.
Slowly sleep begins to take over, as it always does when the belly is full and hunger subsides. Dreams, in half-sleep, are confused for the still confusing real.
When self-awareness emerges the self confuses itself talking to itself, for an external mind – Bicameral.
When, and if, the infant awakens, now more mature, more experienced, the world is reaffirmed. The old (last waking period), has a different clarity, more depth, more nuance.
Infant experiences reality in phases of wakefulness, and long periods of sleep, gradually decreasing with age, until sleep is minimal.
During sleep the day’s injected food, data, are processed, integrated leisurely, assimilated into the organism’s processes, put to use in its functions – mind would only inhibit the process, by draining energies.  
Night’s fast has yet to be broken – hunger builds.
The next phase of foraging, consuming, is followed with the same period of leisurely digestion, and drowsy introspection, but this time the infant become boy, wonders why it hungers, or why it consumes – what the meaning of it is.
It begins to question its own motives, exploring its own tools.
We are now in that phase of inspecting our tools – our weapons and hunting implementations; utensils, we use to, forage and to feed our hunger – appropriation.
Some revert back or have not developed further. They wallow in dreamland, happy to remain asleep, or half-awake, sacrificing, to internal willful reality, the “evils” (need/suffering) of external world – imposing a necessity to awaken, partially, at least, to feed, before one returns to dreaming.
Hunger increases stress/anxiety.
Mind is the Platonic Cave, where all is mysterious, vague, mystifying – magical.
Will has a profound impact in here.
The external world is unruly, uncertain, unknown – the child feels it imposing itself into its private playtime, its daydreaming, in the form of negative feelings, sensations.
Remaining a child can be addictive. If the belly is filled, why speculate further?
Hedonism is more than just physical pleasure.
Satiation can be mental – psychological gratification, peace.
Anxiety reduced to a minimal. Child feels indestructible, sure of itself, happy.
Introversion offers it a “reality” that mirrors the world “outside”, but is more pliable, more malleable, more giving to the will’s force, because it never exceeds the organism’s own force. Self, dealing with self.
Words/Symbols are magical in the mind – outside it they are merely direction finders, connectors between noumenon/phenomenon – tools, not guarantees.        


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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Tue Oct 18, 2016 7:17 pm

Nihilistic Schizophrenia

When noumena detach from phenomena, and words are redefined to represent pure abstractions with no external reference point, and when the world, through its effect on body, conflicts with mind, now detached and immersed in its own esoteric alternate "reality", then the mind is fragmented.
Processing stimulations from world, through body, via nervous system, it struggles to justify them within its noetic uni-verse.
World becomes unnecessarily "complex", when it has to convoluted it so as to accomplish some form of partial cohesion.
The simplest phenomena, already understood intuitively, instinctively, becomes mysterious, other-worldly.

For example, the apparent difference between populations (race), or sexual specialization, manifesting as body/mind divergence in potential, are no longer comprehensible.
Words like “male/female", "human", are perplexing, when the same words applied to other species are obvious, simple, part of scientific empiricism.
Words like "love", "value", "morality", once comprehended instinctively, are now paradoxes, confusing, and problems to be resolved "philosophically" – using philosophical lingo, abstractions.
Instead of progressing outward, philosophy becomes trapped in self-referential reinterpretations of what was self-evident.
Philosophy becomes psychology.
The instruments for engaging world, are now objects of great bewilderment.
Man places himself in the psychotherapist’s bed.
All that had been known are now in question.
Man makes of himself the focus of his exploration, and calls this engaging reality.
His new intellectual class are minds offering insights into human motives. Diagnosticians of human internal processes.
Man is ill, how to heal him. The dis-eased make health an illness.
This is the only philosophical concern.
How do we deal with the contradictions caused by human linguistics; the sensed versus the idealized, and the body versus the mind?
Dualism is returned to, wanting to lean towards the side of mind, desiring to explain body from the vantage point of psyche, clean, pure, within cranium.
Mystery is taken out of world, now the construct of mind, and is placed in the mind – the incomprehensible world, is a reference to the mind’s internal constructs contradicted sensually.
Therapy prescribes a blindness, self-congratulatory self-esteem.
World is now simple – it is whatever the mind says it is.
Mind is complex, undefinable, and unable to be placed in categories.
God without, becomes god within.
Introversion/Extroversion are inverted.
Extrovert is one who turns inward, and introvert is one who turns outward.
Nihilist is one who denies human constructs, human absolutes, and a realist is one who accepts human constructs as "world".
To turn inwards is to explore world.
To turn outward is to flee from world.
Symbols, connecting mind to external world, are now connecting mind to itself.
Ideal replaces real as the standard.
Experiences have to be absorbed into ideology, and not used to construct ideology.
But when ideal measures the real, it can be anything the minds thinks it is.
Conflicting values, ideals.
There is no external standard all can use to settle differing perspectives – none is acceptable, other than a peaceful compromise – a compromise made, again, by the mind towards other minds.
Empiricism is just a word we use to deal with everything non-human, or to pretend we are not emotionally misguided, and linguistically perplexed.
Science is just a method dealing with everything except mankind.
           

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Wed Oct 19, 2016 8:33 am

In an idealized, noetic world of either/or, (100%-0%) even if absolutes are rejected, all is sublimated as either "good" or "bad".
Social morality, ensuring cooperation, what has been Christianized as "love thy neighbour", and/or as good/evil, becomes a ideal of "bringing out goodness" in other.
"Badness" is to be acknowledged as a flaw, a sin, the undesirable to be overcome, according to the idea(l).
No matter how un-ideal the other is, the ideal ought to be found in him and pulled out, redeeming him.
When he shows the proper reverence his mistakes ought to be interpreted as expression so his "good intentions".
Words overpowering deeds.

In a world of such "goodness" to perceive and speak of the "bad" will be reprimanded using the ideals most insulting iconography.
Reversely...
In a world, a group essentially, full of "bad" to perceive the "good" is an act of violation, rape.
The actor is accused of the ideal's lowest metaphors.
He becomes the representative of "badness", bringing it upon himself, for a reason contrary to the social imperative - the pleasure/pain principle, the ideal.

The group is either absolutely good, or absolutely bad, according to its own standards.
It will tend to associate with the "good" that motivates it, in theory, to act, and ignore the "bad" as accidental, or part of the individual's uncleanliness in relation to the purity of the idea(l).
The individual can be saved, or to go outside Christian imagery, he can be purified, made "good" - brought closer to the idea(l) which remains mystical, synthesizing opposites into a net-sum feeling of "goodness".
Philosophical contradiction is, essentially, a linguistic self-contradiction, demanding a unification of "opposites".

The feminine method of judging is preferred, being more primal, decisive, vague but viscerally obvious.
It's lack of clarity merging contradictions into an overall final sensation - a decree, gut feeling, woman's intuition.
Clarity would challenge the individual's hypothetical "courage" dependent on ambiguity, just as fearing in the dark, producing bravery in the dark, may be shattered by the light, exposing the unbearable to a mind comfortable in its hypothetical.
Feminization cultivates this in males.
Romanticism becomes a sensation. A "good vibration", a "bad feeling" that ought not to be understood but only followed - trusting one's primal mechanism, is trusting nature.
Trust resting on an, often, untested automatism.
A desire to test one's self, when having lived a life of sheltering.
Exuberance of naivete.
A boy with no experience with death will often imagine himself a great warrior comforting death - a hero.
A girls with no experience with lust will imagine herself the purest spirit, challenging popular practices - a maiden.

Any clarity would decrease the effect, the efficiency.
The mind returns to imagery already given to it, being unable to create its own.
Icons, as proxies offering such imagery, are worshiped.
Purified in mind, as do-gooders, as ideals that can do no wrong, other than some minor defects, admired to enhance the illusion of objectivity, of unemotional, self-serving, intent.
Their "bad" comments, made in periods of weakness, or when there was not as much technology to preserve them, are lost in time, and in the bath of memory - Lethe.
With no internet, no film, no microphones, leaders in the past remain unsoiled - almost perfect, when compared to the leaders, iconic figures, of today.

To simply state that there must have been "bad" things present, before all the "goodness" is an affront of a sacred icon - blasphemy.
The blasphemer is accused of all kinds of "badness", relating to the idea(l) - he is possessed, his motives explored, degraded.
Muslims call those who do not believe in Allah "animals", and those who dare besmirched their Messiah's unblemished ideal, by depicting his corporeal form, exposing his flaws, a infidel that ought to be killed - a hater of god.
Blasphemer's suffer from insecurity before the ideal.
God shames them, explaining their disbelief, their loss of faith.
They do not surrender to the ideal because they cannot reach it.
Before the ideal one bows to its absolute goodness.
Before that which confronts the ideal one rises in righteous anger, to correct a wrong, to set it all straight.

Beyond good and evil, indeed.

When pain/pleasure have been associated with the "bad", the "evilness" confronting the purity of the "good", then admitting to pleasure & pain is admitting that one is weak before the ideal.
Starting with the comments made in my post [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] the exoskeleton of brain (cranium) relating to the esoskeleton of the body, propping the organs and connecting to them through the nervous system, accentuates a dichotomy.
Brain must process pain/pleasure coming from body.
Body has no way of communicating with brain other than through neural impulses representing the organ's and its congruity of cells relationships with each other and within the hierarchy of the body's organization.
The datum transmitted are interpreted, processed, by brain, producing mind.
Processing means converting/translating the pulses into a form the brain can process, integrate, and perhaps apply, be moved by.
Pain/Pleasure are not to be "overcome", or denied, they are the most primal way the body's experiences, contact, with world are translated into abstraction.
No "higher" brain, required.
This is reptilian, or even before a brain stem evolves it is a simple (re)action to external stimuli - retraction/repulsion - attraction/sanction.
With the evolution of higher brain functions, expanding the brain, these sensations are translated as pain/pleasure.
With the addition of further brain functions the same sensations become emotions - incorporating more sensations into its final product - complex.
Anxiety/Fear is the mother of emotions because it is the most primal reaction to external, beyond the exoskeleton, world.
If we observe primitive life-forms, coming in contact with an unknown entity, then we see how it automatically, impulsively retracts - (re)acting to otherness before assessment has began to (re)lax the muscles/nerves involved.
Before the brain processes impose will, its reaction is on the side of caution - it retracts, awaiting further data when first contact is made with an unknown phenomenon.
Survival is not a dirty word.
It can be demeaning when it is placed above all other considerations for a organism that can perceive self, and self within world.

Brain evolved its own direct access to world - eyes, ears, and nose.
Exoskeleton is breached, orifices create gaps in the cranium for it to evolve sense organs linking the hub directly with world - fastest route of nervous system.
These direct routes are what are sampled to give form to the data streaming into the brain from body, as unprocessed sensation.
Emotion is then only kind of pain the brain can feel, other than the pain/pleasure the body transmits to it.
As an organ it feels nothing.

An idea(l) using pain/pleasure as "antithesis" to its "perfection, is inadvertently accusing the body of soiling the mind's "purity".
A mind totally given to pain/pleasure is inadvertently surrendering its ideals to the body's effect, dominance.

The balance is one of Hellenic asceticism.
Not a surrender to the pleasure principle but neither a denial of it.
Not pain/please as good/bad, as end in themselves, but as means to an end.
Not a surrender to the noetic idea(l), but neither a denial of it.

Balance forces a rational application.
Theory must relate to world via the body, otherwise it remains a theory disconnected, or unbalanced in relation to world.
Brain is body.
Mind is an extension of it - noetic expansion out of physical, phenomenon.
Noumenon with minimal or no contact with body is theoretical , and may become anti-world, anti-body, or Nihilistic.

All phenomena are balanced in good/bad, whatever the ideal standard is, otherwise they would not exist.
Only abstractions, noumena can be unbalanced, because they exist within the protective, artificial realm of brain.
When a phenomena is judged to be entirely bad, then the good ought to be assumed, as the bad ought to be assumed when it is described as good, in relation to an ideal.
The phenomenon's overall advantage, in relation to the ideal, ought to be judged by how much contradiction it can justify, and how much fallibility, in relation to the ideal (theory) it can overcome.
Not deny, not claim as non-existent, but overcome by admitting it.
Contradiction simply indicated a discrepancy between ideal and real - noumenon and phenomena in conflict ought to be resolved on the side of phenomenon.
Theory adjusted in the face of growing conflict with world, experienced sensually.
The Subjective adapted to presence, to Objective world.

An unbalanced noumenon is schizophrenic, if it remains in existence as neural abstraction. The body (action) must contradict it (word/symbol).
Body contradicting, shaming, exposing, the mind's ideal as false; body revealing a mind's Lethe.

Body never forgets...it is genetic memory.
Death is body forgetting past/nature.

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