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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Thu Mar 31, 2016 10:25 am

A fly lays its eggs on a cadaver, or a wound exposed.
Tiny maggots emerge, feeding on flesh, engorging themselves with filth.
They want to give birth themselves, in time, or have they grown too old to lay their shrivelled eggs and serve as handmaids for the queen of flies?
Busy bees, feeding her kind, by servicing the queen bee's larvae.

*buzz *buzz busy bees make a ruckus, not of their mass.
Speed of vibration, compensating for their minuscule size.

The queen bee laying eggs, when she has mated with a drone, and makes a home, sending off her worker bees to collect nectar, of the gods, and call it her own.
Sweetness, one must bear...to take.    

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Fri Apr 01, 2016 8:47 am

Little boys, run for cover behind mother's skirts, and cast careful glances around her mass of hips and tits, at what scares them.
They do not dare confront directly, but cast evil glares, tiny pebbles, curses against him.
He smiles at himself, enjoying his vengeance, imagining himself a god of his own world, populated with his friends who participate in the game with joy...happy to belong.

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PostSubject: 123 Fri Apr 01, 2016 9:00 am

No need to intrude upon insanity. You sit back watching it make a fool of itself - destroying itself with every choice, every turn of phrase, every verbal juggling performance.

It exposes itself in its madness, laughing and playing.

From a Greek song, a verse...




Quote :
Leave the madman to his madness
and do not make him come to his senses
What hides in the mind
of a madman you do not know

Perhaps he'll find in madness
those things he desires
And was never worthy
to find and to possess

Leave the madman to his madness
leave him to his dream
This world he's disgusted by
and he creates his own


Madman in the madhouse... each "madness" in its own world - inter-subjectivity.
Fed, washed, watered, coddled, bedded, medicated, surrounded by walls it calls absolutes.
A safe-box of order - a whole.
Everything makes sense here, for the senseless.  

Narcissistic code mentioned in 15:36 (below) as the "classic syndrome of narcissism" sold by, non other than Varoufakis and Tsipras, the duo narcissistic schizophrenia now governing Greece...
Two naive imbeciles, if not conniving duplicitous manipulators - talented users of words - userers.
Let's assume the best and not accuse them of intent.
Stupidity it is....like the kind you find out there, daily....or on ILP constantly.  

Jedi mind trick...
"We will not pay back these loans.....you will forgive us our past mistakes.....we will repeat this mantra until you fall under our spell...."  


Laughing AT the tragic/comedy of madness with the institutional power to convince, and manipulate, stupidity, as it has in Modern Greece (and not only there), degraded by centuries of Judeo-Christianity dis-ease, and seeped in the sweat of Modern decay - the fever throws of dying.
Nihilistic cocktail of death - brain dies first, after it enters delusion to save itself from more suffering.
How did they acquire this institutional power?
Why, by vote and rote, of course. They exploited massive cowardice, idiocy, a desire to evade responsibility, and then were given power by quantities - masses of schizophrenic/narcissistic Moderns: Nihilists.
Democratically...because they people, this abstract idea(l) are never to hold themselves accountable for their past mistakes.
No, they may want to cover them up with new ones...in an endless cycle of stupidity.

Pretty words sold with bright smiles and promising sentiments....all well-intended.    

Satyr has the antidote...the pharmacon...found it beneath a tree, in the wood, where witches roam and nymphs dance.

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Cohelo, Paulo wrote:
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.

HA!!!
One more Brazilian genius... a product of genetic mingling, I am sure.
The epitome of absurdity!
So says the king, the god to be, the entire cosmos conspiring on his behalf, aligning to his whims and words.
From the narcissistic book of magic, Tsipras and Varoufakis took to heart and attempted to convince the world of their madness.
Same book many others are reading from.

What use do Greeks have for jungle rot?  
The second speaker absolves Cohelo of total responsibility, accusing [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] as being the originator of that piece of....narcissistic, infantile, schtick, then Cohelo takes it on, adopts it, as the next in line in the chain, and finally it is launched by [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] into modern narcissistic orbit - a star shinning bright above us all... lighting our way.
Such positive words...so nice, so comforting.

Let us file it in our Chicken-soup for the Soul directory, next to "God loves you", "You can be anything you want", "You are no different than anyone else, and just as valuable", "Love will save the day", "Universal mind", "It's all subjective - believe it and it is so", "First came the word, and it was....(fill in the blank)", "Race and sex roles are social constructs", "Appearances are superficial"...and so on...  
Sheesh there are so many.

Excuse me while I join the nymph's dance....
OPA!!!

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Fri Apr 01, 2016 11:59 am

Madman, rejecting objectivity, has only the subjective, himself to use as standard, and in so doing exposes himself with every judgment made, every opinions shared.

He does not believe in a real external standard he is adapting and interpreting, and so, by his own beliefs, he simply projects his understanding of other, by comparing it to self, his sense of ego (narcissism); he self-diagnoses, as far as he knows himself, when he attacks other.  

This is the easy part of dealing with self-referential, subjective, modern minds, using words to evade and inflate self in a world that makes them feel small, vulnerable, afraid.
So, when a modern accuses you of hatred, when responding to your diagnosis of race and sexual differences, know that he is expressing his own anxiety in relation to these issues, having no other standard to evaluate what is more or less probable, other than self.  

With no standard outside self other than other minds, it measures its esteem, through the (re)actions of others.
The subjective evaluating its own subjectivity using other subjectivity, and how they respond to what is presented as a challenge.
The world is not dealt with directly, but interpretations of world are dealt with, and through this dealing the feeling that world has been explored.
Philosophy has become a dialogue about an other's perspective, compared to his dialogue with a third other, and validity measured by how many others are convinced by the dialogue.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Mon Apr 04, 2016 7:58 am

Infatuation and Insanity are a deadly cocktail.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Mon Apr 04, 2016 8:55 am

Madman creates a kingdom within the walls of his confinement - vast empires, of the mind, delineated by hard lines and solid stone.
Beyond the window pane he is a nobody, lost and vulnerable, but here, medicated fed, sheltered, and surrounded by other madmen he can believe he is a something important, because of all the fuss made about him.
He fantasizes and lives in those imaginary realms, desperately seeking validation in other madmen, or in child-like psychosis.
Every new participant in his madness adds to his self-satisfaction.
Through their combined minds he expands his reach, stretching the boundaries of his power, escaping the walls into the outside.


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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Mon Apr 04, 2016 9:17 am

In-between the scheduled feedings, and medications, insanity finds freedom.
Institutional regimentation giving him an external source of consistency, order, stability, to balance out his internal turmoil.
Perhaps he feels that without this structure of manmade order he would perish, hating his own weakness, and those who re-mind him of it daily.
With words he seeks vengeance, as with words he seeks escape.
Attacking his plight in the face of those protecting him from himself, with curses and vulgar insinuations.  


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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Mon Apr 04, 2016 9:23 am

There is no possibility of changing a mind that has invested a lifetime upon a error, supported and validated by quantities of minds that were similarly foolish.

To admit a mistake would be suicidal.
With nothing but others for support, that which remains unaffected by emotion is emotionally slandered.
The mistake is "corrected" with refined words, different syntax, grammar, vocabulary.
Death is averted in insanity.  

Self-Preservation through mass delusion.  


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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Wed Apr 13, 2016 12:56 pm

Extreme isolation is common in the madhouse.
Each insane individual living in his own private reality, with few, if any connections to the real world, isolates insanity more than the usual isolation of existence - the human condition.
This deep sense of solitude pushes madness deeper and deeper into its delusion.

When past/nature is eliminated the individual's perceptual-event-horizon shrinks to the size of ego - beginning at birth and ending with death.
Compensating by inventing super-real, or paranormal connections, crazy invents fantastic relationships, placing self at its center.
Each one acquiring elements not shared by the other, crazy experiences relationship on a fantastic level, often seeing extreme symbolisms in the most trivial activities, or most simple expressions.

Instead of thinking of self as a link in the chain between past/nature and future, and/or the idea(l), the mind identifies with the idea(l), either as its emergence in the present, or as its representation, its harbinger.

Narcissism is a symptom of this insanity.
With no external standard to measure self against, the insane individual makes himself the standard, judging how others (world) relate to him, as negative/positive.
All judgments, positive and negative, reinforce the delusion the he is the center of the world, as the idea(l) or as representation of it.

Interaction being unavoidable, particularly when the madman demands to be noticed, placing himself in situations, and displaying behaviors, where he cannot be ignored, further reinforces its delusion, and the madman is trapped within his own reality, but must include others in his madness, having no other source of pride or sense of self.
The world beyond has contradicted his self assessment, so he no longer uses it to validate his opinions.
He prefers to sue humans weak enough to mirror back his sense of self, and his judgments of world - inter-subjectivity.

Those pulled into his madness are necessary substitutions for what lies outside this inter-subjective, self-referential, alternate world.
The madman must make others notice him, otherwise his reality remains private.
He must pull them into his madness, lacking all other sources of validation.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Wed Apr 13, 2016 9:58 pm

The madman has no ability to perceive self objectively.
All negativity directed his way is automatically a product of envy, hate, bigotry, or some fault in the source of negativity.
This makes world a "negative" environment, within which he feels vulnerable and weak.
To deal with this feeling he dismisses the negativity of world as a product of human judgments.

The world is "negative" towards him only through human minds that act as proxies of negativity.
This immediately provides a solution.
To deal with "negativity" you must select "positive" humans, offering "positive" feedback: proxies of "positivity".

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His culpability is that of a Dostoevsky Idiot: innocent and misunderstood in his kindness, his genuine naivete.
A Christ-like character amidst decadence, and hate, crucifying him because of his value, and the quantity of his spirit.

Rejection is that of a Judah, who denies him thrice, fulfilling his role as the one who must make his master a martyr to live eternally, or a skeptical Thomas, not believing he is the Messiah, the christened one, demanding proof.



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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Fri Apr 15, 2016 11:46 am

Drug addict, and the obsessive crazy, needs to think of those not like him as suffering.
with no narcotic, no insanity, to deal with reality, he cannot accept his own weakness, and must accuse all who need no drugs, or insanity, of being unhappy, of suffering.
He takes himself as the example, and he, unable to remain sane, and without the aid of a drug, or incapable of engaging reality, without fantasies,and imagines this other as miserable, or as hiding an alternative motive, and lying.  

For such a decrepit creature empathy means sympathy. He uses his feelings for himself, to understand other, adjusting nothing.
Simple transference, is what projection is.
Fragile mind, lacking the quality of mind to imagine the alien, simply places himself in this others positions and feels him, as if it were he living and thinking what this other does.
The easiest, simplest form of empathy.

What is superior cannot be imagined by what is inferior, and so it uses itself as an example.
This is how weaklings and cowards created their god.
A creature so vain, so vulgar, and vindictive, reflecting them.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Fri Apr 15, 2016 1:43 pm

If you ignore him, you must fear him
If you do not, he has you wrapped around his finger.

The insanity of narcissism, has no alternative other than good/evil.
if you do not love him, you hate him, if you do not hate him, you must love him
In all cases some emotion, some controlling passion is ignited in you, because of him
He is in control, the puppet-master.

If a girls smiles at him, she desires him, if not she's a bitch.
Trapped in binary nihilism, of either/or, there is no other possibility.
This is the insanity of the Modern.

All critique, on the negative, are expression of passion.
All is subjective.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Tue Apr 19, 2016 8:17 pm

Despite Jew produce psychoanalysis, dominating Modern thinking the basis for the emerge and development of personality, as character, is not sex, but death.

The erotic, along with the thymotic are reaction to mortality, or the relationship of an organism organizing/unifying, with a disorganizing/fragmenting indifferent, threatening cosmos.

Sex, is the primal most automatic (re)action, but what it is a (re)action towards is Flux.
Without a doubt, for a heterosexually reproducing species, like ours, sex is fundamental to the development of personality, and environment, which would include man-made environments (society, morality, economics) would determine the degree and the direction inherited predispositions (personality) express themselves as character.
The thymotic is an alternate, more masculine, (re)action to Flux.
For the thymotic type eros takes a secondary place, as an expression of resistance to chaos - rage rage against the dying of the light.
Eros, more primal, automatic, comes easier as a compromise to one's inability to resist Flux completely.
This intuitive (re)cognition establishes Freudian analysis, but remains there eon the feminine surface.
The Oedipus complex, penis envy and all those Freudian concepts are erotic in essence.
The point of view of a child, or female belonging to a species that has already evolved an innate compromise, to survive and reproduce.

The mechanism enabling heterosexual intercourse and social cooperation to succeed are part of the human genetic makeup. so much so that we cannot think outside their premises.



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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Fri Apr 22, 2016 1:24 pm

Patterns never attaining complete harmonization within an organism, manifest as dis-ease, weakness preceding this final stage, leading, in natural circumstances, to culling.
As self-awareness emerges this internal agon, of the organism not being absolutely organized, and facing constant disordering external pressures, develops in what Freud would call the "death impulse", opposing the harmonizing erotic impulse.


Reich, William wrote:
According to this concept, the sadism of each stage results from the mixture between the sexual demand itself and the destructive impulse against the person responsible for its frustration; oral sadism (frustration of sucking → destructive impulse, biting); anal sadism (frustration of anal pleasure → crushing, stomping, beating); phallic sadism (frustration of genital pleasure → piercing, puncturing). - Character Analysis


This dissatisfaction/frustration with self, may develop in a striving to self-improve, leading to the excesses of growth, or may develop as a defensive stance and suicidal tendencies, expressed as masochism, externalized as sadism: violence against world as presence.
This sadistic desire to destroy what appears, manifests ion moderns as a rejection/denial of past/nature, which they find undesirable (not erotic), destructiveness being the "solution" (masochism evolving into destructive sadism against nature/past).

Nihilism as the expression of dissatisfaction with past/nature, manifested as presence/appearance, is the destructive/sadism externalize, if it is not internalized as self-hatred and the death impulse.
Modernity, as "progress' towards self-referential identification with the most immediate, current, is the most popular form of hatred of past/nature - self-castration, amputation of determining sum of nurturing, freedom from the source of anxiety/frustration.
Death impulse sublimated into a partial death - sleeping being the physical form, of the mind's numbing.
A compromise between erotic impulse and death impulse, placing the organism in zombie-like trance.
What is "killed" and left to rot, is filled in, compensated, with symbols/words/metaphors, human contrivances.  

The modern reverts to the oral stage, ripping the past apart, to consume and absorb it selectively, rejecting the undesirable anally.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Thu Apr 28, 2016 10:09 am

Madman living in repose, considers any disturbance an attack.
The herd runs when the predators circle, wondering why they are singled out.
Tear a sheepskin off a wolf and it will feel as if you are skinning it alive, confusing its adopted caricature for its personae, or, at least, distraught for having been found out, and exposed, no longer using this ploy of harvesting resources from those it want to be close to.

Imagine the distress when a lunatic is told he is not Napoleon, but a baker's son, on the run, only wanting to have fun.
Liar becomes angry when he is not believed, as he believes his own hypocrisy...an affront to his own judgment....or, if he is more lucid, he is impressed and miffed for having to reinvent his lie, adjust his act, and up-his game of shovelling bull.


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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Thu Apr 28, 2016 10:18 am

Madness is a cry for help, when contract with an indifferent cosmos has shattered it to piece, and ti has barely survived the experience.

Gathering attention is how it strives to shelter itself, and put itself together, with comforting words, medications, and delicate touches.
Audaciousness, hyperbole, screaming controversial concepts to shock and awe, or a refusal to swallow the drugs that keep its madness in a catatonic state, are two such cries.

Between the lunatic and the world ti fears, stands a professional, wearing a uniform indicating expertise, and a motive, behind him the enforcers, usually dressed casually so as to not alarm, to blend in....and then those thick walls, and barred windows, where world enters as light, before the night falls, and the electric luminosity floods the space with endless brightness.

Outside....large spans of parks, imitating the wild, surrounded by fencing.
Who would dare bring all that down, and ruin the pristine, quarantined, uni-verse within?

What repressed fears does this evil-one stir, not knowing what will emerge when the cocoon is broken?    

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Thu May 05, 2016 9:53 am


Extrovert: requiring more intense and consistent stimulation.
Associated with impulsive behavior and with addiction/obsession.

Introvert: requiring less intense, and less frequent stimulation.
Associated with melancholy, and hyper-sensitivity.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Thu May 05, 2016 11:37 am

The psychological effects of being battered wither by some threatening other, or by life, the world, at large, forces, an after-the-fact reassessment of self, and the choices that resulted in the defeat.
For some, this involves taking responsibility, before assessing the external factors.
For most, this involves the return to the comforting embrace of the community, where weakness finds refuge in multiplicity.
Repeating the communal soothing low hum of herbivore braying, reintegrates the one who dared to stand forth as exceptional among them.
With humans this involves language, a humbling to the popular values, and if this community is Nihilistic, or modern, then the identification as innocent victim, acts like a mother's hug, or the tight engulfing of a male member within the warm moisture of a woman's vagina.
In a Modern metaphorical context, it is plugging into the Matrix, and surrendering to popular sentimentality.



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Preference for higher or lower level stimulation can be the consequence of a neurological fragility, or numbness, corresponding to the introvert/extrovert types, or hypersensitivity and higher constitution, correspondingly.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Wed May 11, 2016 9:59 am

Zuckerman wrote:
Let us take first g and n—the two dimensions that have always been acknowledged not just by Eysenck but by his London School forebears (e.g., Schonell,1948 ,pp.21-22) and all modern psychometrician - psychologists who are not so politically correct as simply to avoid reference to IQ in their work.
These two dimensions reflect classic conceptions of Reason and the Passions and their wide-ranging contest and collaboration. They can both be readily measured-with a little allowance for test sophistication and lying; and they both have plausible psychological underpinning in, respectively, information intake and information retention (Brand,1996 ,chapter 2;Brand,1997).
As Burt and the London School always maintained, these are surely the most important ways in which people differ, and they have intrinsic links to considerations of value.
There is no merit in not being able to take in new information even if such inability helps preserve traditional moral belief.

Information-retention is likewise presumably meritorious in principle—though memories can be useless and burdensome, as well as useful, and the inability to excise or rewrite memories arguably results in neurosis(as Freud first envisaged).
Interestingly, differences in both g and n probably have connections to broad
and wide-ranging mood features (e.g. ,Brand,1994b).
High-g people tend to be experienced as more alert and receptive, and high-n people are more variable in moods and behavior. But these broad emotional features probably obtrude
rather little into immediate conscious experience.
People's more immediate experiential concerns are probably with the short-term, limited, and resoluble conflicts involving more closely targeted emotions and their restraint, as follows.

Considering first the tensions that have led Eysenck himself to invoke the name superego, how could Eysenck form any years have thought extraverts crime-prone when even his
own evidence from the E and L scales showed little sign of the negative correlation that such theorizing should have led him to expect?
True, by 1972 , he had come to note the connection between E and sexual vigor and frequency, and to admit the special independent status for L that proved a harbinger of modern Big 5 measures of "conscientiousness" (vs impulsiveness/casualness).
Yet, once upon a time, S.B.G.Eysenckand H.J. Eysenck (1963 ) had insisted to an astonished American psychometric world that the sociable and impulsive "facets of extraversion" were, compatible with the "unity" of Extraversion.
One has to ask: Which is right?
And one has to answer: Both views are right, but the cruder, broader extraversion -versus conscientiousness dimension emerges more easily in full population samples like Eysenck's rather
than in the higher-IQ groups that furnish most of the data for the typical modern Big5 theorist.
For years it was thought that the Baltimore sample that yielded the Big5 had a reasonably
normal collection of subjects, but eventually it transpired that no less than 25% of McCrae and Costa's subjects actually hadPh.D.s! Looking at all this objectively, one has to say that extraversion and conscientiousness are more identifiably separate at higher g levels—and (in Edinburgh pilot researches) at lower levels of neuroticism, whether as cause or effect.
If there is a tension between energy and conscience, or between sexuality and superego in particular, it goes on more keenly (or more visibly) in lower-g ,higher-n people.
Now, if a crude contrast of energy versus inhibition perhaps differentiates in the course of intelligent maturation into two distinct dimensions having no marked or simple influence on each other, differential psychologists will ask for parallels and analogies that may help us to understand such processes .
Plainly some kind of Freudian story is a possibility: that the initial stark opposition between eros and superego becomes—during normal, healthy development—less of a conflict than two distinct sources of strength. But most differential psychologists will be reminded of another dimension that differentiates over time, and especially at higher-intelligence levels.
This is the dimension of g itself: g increasingly yields a distinction between "fluid" and
"crystallized "intelligence as aging proceeds, and especially when g {itself goes into decline after age 55. Following this analogy, people could vary independently in energy and conscientiousness so long as they are of relatively good intelligence and maturity; yet at lower IQ levels a more stark contrast might be observed between rambunctious extraverts and controlled introverts in the broad sense of extraversion envisaged by Eysenck back in 1963. With maturation (and higher g), the broad emotional contrast between exuberance and restraint crystallizes to allow more distinct dimensions of elation versus depression (extraversion-introversion) and obsession/caution versus hysteria/excitability (conscientiousness-casualness).

A similar dependence of dimensionality on maturation may affect the other great emotional tension between exhibiting a strong and indeed aggressive identity on the one hand and being more accepting, tender minded, and open minded on the other.
Here, the Freudian (or Kleinian) story would be that an early death-wish allowing destruction of useless parts of the self—whether of cells or of psychological systems—maybe harnessed by the self and turned into useful aggression; or it may itself be destroyed by the self, leaving a pacific, agreeable, and less egoistic yet less directed individual (programmed cell death is known as apoptosis).
It was realized in the nineteenth century (and known to Freud) that the body has self-destruction mechanisms that come into action unless cells receive particular patterns of messages from other cells, (C. Badcock, personal communication). However, a non-Freudian differential psychologist may well settle for a story of differentiation where by the crude disagreeable-versus-agreeable distinction becomes modified according to how much crystallization takes place into two independent variations of independence versus dependence and tough-versus tender-mindedness.
Plainly the original primitive tension here is whether to allow or reject hostility, and that is the kind of contrast made by Eysenck's P scale—though P itself probably involves a multiplicative interaction with low conscientiousness also, thus helping to yield its skewed distribution.
What characterizes the high-will and high-aggression person is an awesome realism about the human condition that is alert to the need for competition and inclined to disregard the possibilities of cooperation and idealistic constructivism. Yet, as both Freud and Adler
recognized, that crude contrast will diminish with maturation.
In terms of emotion, the two separate dimensions that emerge are probably those of anger versus fear (as the fluid form of independence vs. dependence) and disgust versus acceptance (as the fluid form of tough-(or non open-) mindedness).
Pilot research in Edinburgh has in fact suggested these dimensions to be more
separate at higher levels of neuroticism
(where ego development has perhaps
been less decisively in the agreeable or disagreeable directions
).


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My position has always been that anxiety/fear is the mother of all emotions, some evolved to deal with it, to sublimate, control and direct it, or to repress it, numb dropping it below the threshold of consciousness.
When I use the word "emotion" I mean the complex automated (re)action to stimuli, and not sensation.  
For me emotion is an evolved method of taking advantage of the organism's contiguity of pasterns, its organ cooperative/organization, and their imperfect harmony - increasing the survival advantage gained by synergy (effectiveness - efficiency of applied available aggregate energies - the multiplying effect of focus).

Energies, accumulating within the organism as contained libidinal, for the purpose of fight/flight, later evolve into a method of expunging and directing them productively, as reproductive release,accompanied by the expulsion of contained fluids along with the release of contained stress/anxiety (orgasm).
Their non-expulsion results in their reintegration absorption) back into the organism, released as excrement.
The "use it or lose it" motto is factual, and it relates to the aforementioned "death wish", or "apoptosis", another indication of an organism increasing its own efficiency by discarding unnecessary, unused over long periods of time/space, parts of itself - also indicating that this agon is occurring internally along with externally (the organism is never in a state of peace).

Extroversion/Introversion should be explored in relation to these libidinal energies.
Either due to a genetic factor, or due to the particular organism's inability to contain/control its excess energies, extroversion/introversion is its expression.
To this we can include a higher, than average, production of excess libidinal energies, due to organic efficiency - fitness, or environmental factors producing plenitude of access to energies.
The direction these energies take for release, wither towards the more primal sexual (genetic), or the more sophisticated form of release in art (memetic), is determined by a genetic and/or by environmentally conditioning this inherited disposition.  
a weak neurological system, may require the organism to relieve itself form their stress, or, in humans to numb the brain to its effects.
A sensitive, more aware mind (more data, stimulation input) may suffer the same, and will be mistaken for the first.        

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Wed May 11, 2016 10:52 am

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E= introversion/extroversion
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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Tue May 17, 2016 10:50 am

Many minds reside, separately in one, each one expressed using a different character/caricature, corresponding to a different rearrangement of internal, organic, hierarchies, brought about by shifting circumstances.
More complex minds must content with multiple characters, each one springing out of the same personality.
With no strong Will, this may fragment into what is called multiple personality disorder, when it is an absence of self-knowledge, a well explored ego/self, manifesting as diverse character reactions to external stimulation, which is to account for mental fragmentation - schizophrenia emerging out of a lack of mental cohesion (compartmentalization) when a unifying source of identity is missing, or when traumatic experiences force a rearrangement that will push them down into the subconscious, preventing psychotic rupture, or worse.

In more stable psychologies each character/caricature belongs to a complexity of non-contradictory aspects of personalty (personae), each one emerging to accommodate the particularities of the patterns in behaviour involved in the willed, approach towards the desired goal/objective.
The objective dictated by the internal shifting hierarchies.

With no central control, a dominant organ, these shifts in character can be extreme.
When one organ establishes a dominance then the shifts never divert to a degree that would be considered "out of character".
If the dominant organ is the brain, then all characters emerging will be arranged around an objective understanding of the circumstances and the lucid appreciation of the goal/objective.
A pragmatic approach, some would call cold and calculating,will function as the central stabilizing theme, from which all characters/caricatures will express themselves in a controlled degree, after the circumstances have been fully evaluated.


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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Tue May 17, 2016 5:29 pm



Out of the depths of our past/nature we un-cover our values - to know thyself is to know that you know this past/nature.
Matter/Body = corporeal exoteric.
Mind/Spirit = energy esoteric.

Because the past/nature precedes self-consciousness, and even consciousness, there is no way to represent it, to symbolize it.
The mind borrows from the immediate, the conscious, to construct an image, often a mixture of one, or more phenomena.
But it knows, or ought to know, that this is a representation, symbolizing what can only be understood as energy - patterns (inter)acting, and so spirit refers to this ambiguity of dynamic patterns, symbolized with these fantastic images, which are then taken literally.
Data collected from internal sources are such pure energy patterns, that have to be processed by adopting experienced/perceived phenomena, gathered from external sources, or they remain intuition, emotion, sensations.


Neurological disconnection of the exoteric from the esoteric, or the esoteric from the exoteric, leads to this "schizophrenia" of Modernity: word representing sensations, emotions, with no reference to anything outside the brain, and the phenomenon lacking dimensional depth, as if it simply is with no past/nature, emerging out of nothingness, called "superficial", or materialism.

On the one hand a man completely given over to internal forces, steaming out of his internal hierarchy, his subconscious, building a fantastic, delusional world with no external references, and on the other a man living on the surfaces of appearance, the immediate of pleasure, and emotional reactions, with no connection to himself, totally identifying with the symbols he adorns himself with to compensate for this void.

Connecting these symbols, metaphors to the phenomenal world is the begin of deciphering what is of an external source, and what of an internal source, one referring to world and the other to past/nature, adopting imagery from the external world to express itself, to be revealed, un-concealed.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Wed May 18, 2016 12:02 pm

Using Jung's introvert/extrovert psychological types, expanded and fleshed out by Eysenck...

Extrovert = less prone to stimulation - requiring higher intensity stimulation to be aroused.
Strong nervous system, or a unsophisticated nervous system, unable to process patterns below a certain level of intensity.
Impulsive behavior has been associated with extroversion.  

Introvert = experiencing higher arousal requiring lower levels of stimulation.
Introversion may be a product of a weak nervous system, having to rest in low stimulus environments, or the overwhelming of the mind with more frequent, higher intensity data (sensitivity to the subtle), recurring a shutting away to process, and to rest.  

Obsession (mind), and addiction (body) having a different source and function in extroverts and introverts.


Introvert


Obsession = extreme focus on a small part of a phenomena, excluding all other stimulants - (neurological noise).
Addiction = used to calm an overstimulated nervous system - calming effect.



Extrovert


Obsession = focus on stimulant that produced a arousal it cannot experience form other sources - monomaniacal hyper-interest in an external phenomenon at the exclusion of all else which appears bland, dull by contrast.    
Addiction = to chemicals multiplying/accentuating, exciting arousal, stimulants, increasing the experience to a level the mind can appreciate fully - raising the mind's sensitivity to the level of an introverts.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Mon Jun 06, 2016 6:42 pm

It is to be expected that Nihilism would produce insanity in human being, in the same way caged domestic animals go crazy when they are placed in a cage preventing them from expressing their mind/body duality, via their nervous system- the energies accumulate there, pooling, with no outlet.
This converts to physical energy, being expunged in nervous twitches, trembling, or such methods.
in humans where the mind is more powerful the nervous energy is directed to brain, where it pools.
If there is an outward outlet it is expunged in sports, artificial realities, music gyrations, or numbing chemicals...some are redirected inward.
The mind becomes increasingly isolated from external, living in its own private uni-verse, with words/numbers, symbols serving as the boundary of their esoteric world.

The sturdier the self-containing boundary must be, the more extraordinary the impact of the symbol.
The symbol usurps the sensual - multiplying or dividing it, expanding it into a hyperbolic idol, or fragmenting it into pieces, separating the various abstractions into self-contained, particles where one can contradict the other.

There is positive psychosomatic effect, as is experienced in all faith based Abrahamic religions - the relief of having a symbol separating the individual from a harsh, unpredictable, indifferent, cosmos.
A relaxing of stress.
Of course, this benefit would be deadly with no sheltering institution protecting the organism from the consequences of its own detachment form world.
Modern Madness, subjectivity, is dependent, is a codependency, of inter-subjectivities.
One madness reinforcing and reaffirming the other.
Only rule not to disrupt the delusion, of your fellow inmate - love thy neighbour.
This risks the collapse of the asylum all depend upon to remain carefree, careless, trapped in their own private uni-verse, trying to expand it by introducing it to other asylum dwellers through words - memetic infection.
With no natural limiting standard, and no past/nature determinants accepted, the only thing left is the immediate inter-subjective exchange of minds - how each one impact the other, how many it seduces and incorporates into its own insanity, are all sources of self-esteem.

Modern Ideology & political discourse, a conflict of competing insanity, all rooted in repeated lies, gaining validity with each repetition - prayer recitation.
discontentment dealt with using artificial methods: entertainment, drugs, alcohol, porn, pop-culture, games, sports, endless debates over inanities, childish cynicism, trivial distractions etc.


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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Wed Jun 08, 2016 9:53 am

Signaling fitness is a big part of the heterosexual subliminal discourse.
A female’s shape, her scent, coloration, indicating fertility, readiness, and health; a male’s proportionality/symmetry, of mind/body, his scent, appearance, aggressiveness, coloration exposing the handling of melanin, but also self-handicapping.
Examples of self-handicapping includes the peacock, with its elaborate tail… and among the mammals some notable examples are the bighorn boat, and the red deer each carrying a disproportional, to its overall mass, and size, handicapping signal of dominance.

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The handicap signals the male’s fitness, its health (parasite resistance, potential to endure a disadvantage in an environment where advantages are crucial).
In males we may dare to include the Negros’s above average penis size, connecting him to a primal less stressful environment where pleasure exceeds creativity as the desirable trait.

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Besides the pheromone subtle indicator, and female/male physical symmetry, proportionality, expressing an inherited resistance to Flux, self-handicapping, using these disproportional physical displays appears to be sperm-warfare upping-up the stakes.
The evolution of such extraordinary displays places the survival of the genes above the survival of the particular manifestation of said genes. Males face increased probabilities of death, where the survival of the individual and the species are not an end, and have a short time to take advantage of a disadvantage.
The competition of one-upmanship, is an inter-species affair.
The advantage towards member of his own, is accompanied by an increase in the disadvantage in relation to world, and every other organism in nature.
Elaborate songs, among bird species, exposing its position to predators, are such self-handicapping signals to females of their own species.      

The human species extends this genetic signalling, using words/symbols.
Self-handicapping may take the form of revealing controversial, unpopular positions, within a group, where such displays have a high cost, or it may take the form of hyperbole, approaching the level of insanity.
A male, in an effort, to out-do his competitors, go to extreme levels of signaling his fitness, either by imitating, and risking being exposed as a fake, or by applying the extraordinary, to impress, and attract, risking being exposed as mad – because on a personal level such handicapping is a form of madness (sexual frenzy).
Masculine “thinking out of the box”, desperate to be seen, appreciated, by potential mates, may succumb to desperation when its own mind fails to find a unique insight. Creativity begins to seek alternate methods of accomplishing the same effect, a profound insight would have, by using the manipulation of words – to such an extraordinary effect as to imply what cannot be delivered, or presented, but only appreciate esoterically, as a secret insight.
The practice of suggestion, and shame, can bridge most any skepticism in the intended audience, when it is comprised of average minds.
The effect is self-defeating, of course, if the intent is to attract a superior female, who will see through such methods, but males tend to settle, for what they can get, and will inflate the outcome to hide their disappointment – this is part of the political agenda, directed to the members of the group that witness all of this; converting a defeat into a victory, or a disappointment into a great success, signals to the females in the group that this male is gifted.
The motive is to pass on the genes, at the cost of self.
Intellectual signalling takes this form of linguistic hyperbole, where the male signals its fitness, in relation to others in its group, while handicapping itself in relation to world/nature/reality.
Though the idea(l) expressed may be detrimental to the individual, in the world, which remains indifferent to such matters, having no connection to it, its ability to impress, with extraordinary claims, those within the group feeling the stress this world places upon them, determines its internal value – this is called politics.
Elaborate, supernatural, extraordinary word-based displays, that only have an inter-species effect, are examples of human self-handicapping.


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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Wed Jun 08, 2016 12:22 pm

Females must be pragmatic.
They evaluate from immediate appearances and do not delve into the reasons or the circumstances in past, beyond a certain level - their perceptual-event-horizon is shallow/narrow when compared to a male's who must prove himself worthy, by exceeding competing males - intellectually this means to think outside the perceptual-event-horizon box of the challenger, or of the median.
A female big horn goat does not have to understand the how and the why of the male's extraordinary, disproportional horn display.
She responds to its presence, acknowledging the handicap as evidence of the male's health - that the male survived, up to that moment in space/time, with such a handicap is evidence of his endurance, balance, strength, cunning etc.

In human contexts, the sheltering of institution, allows exaggerated human displays of handicaps, but the female need not evaluate this factor, unless she is, herself, exceptional, but only respond to the fact that despite the handicap the male is present, is immediately apparent.
This exacerbates the sperm-wars where male self-handicapping is used to signal health, and passes into the absurd, because there is no big cost to the handicap.
What is left to appreciate is the immediate effect.
Human males begin to compete on the level of noetic absurdities, or symbolic hyperbole, because they will not suffer the consequences of such handicaps, and the human female, being pragmatic, will appreciate the immediate impact, by how pleasing, and impressive the display is - pleasure is the most visceral, primal, way of appreciating value.
She need not incorporate into her judgment the institutional factor, but only the immediate presence, and the fact that it remains present.
No matter how rational, and self-aware she might be, the effect is instinctive, automatic, genetic.
She responds to the impression of the exaggerated self-handicapping, interpreting it as a product of health, fitness, even if it is protected from world and has not been tested in world without this intervening protection.

Competition takes the turn towards the extraordinary, the supernatural, and because words, referring to noumena, have not the cost of actions, or words referring to noumenon connected to phenomena - they do not suffer that limitation - competition between males becomes a game of verbal hyperbole, where the only criterion is that it remains true to its own fabricated premises, no matter how detached from reality they might be.
Self-Cohesion, indicates symmetry, creativity, self-awareness.
Competition becomes a juxtaposition of noetic cohesion, no matter how absurd the abstractions/noumena might be, in relation to an indifferent world of (inter)activities - a display of mental self-referential mastery, a comparison of fantasy, the fantastic (imagination detached from the limiting phenomena of precedent).
The more fantastic, positive, pleasing a fabricated noumenon is, the more it is appreciated, though it remains irrelevant outside the mind.

If we compare this to other species self-handicapping and take the red deer as our example, then the male deer's balance, its ability to endure the mass/weight of those extraordinary, disproportional to body mass/size, horns, brought to bear against another male of the same species, will determine the victor, and the female's surrender.  
These same horns may be a detriment against species outside this sexual display, or completely useless - species is a sexual category, as is human.
The female awaits the victor, and does not evaluate any other factor. She does not have to, since this is all automated, and a product of evolution, as is her appreciation of a male's impressive handicap.
As such, a more severe handicap, measured against that of another male's, for balance, endurance, self-referential cohesion, is appreciated by the female - she is attracted to it and does not have to comprehend the reasons, nor evaluate factors in relation to long-term consequences.  

In a noetic context, because human females appreciate physical and mental symmetry, any intellectual competition comparing world-views, or awareness in general, are evaluated in relation to themselves - how balanced, how not self-contradicting they are, because survival is not in question.
The absence of value in world, like the deer's exaggerated horns, or their minimal effect, does not matter.
What matters is inter-species comparisons of handicaps.
The value, in other words, based on pleasure, or how it impresses and remains true to itself, and not how it relates to world.

Philosophy becomes such a display, when left in the hands of men-children, handicapped and detached from reality.
How pleasing and impressive the claims, how they remain self-referentially harmonious with their own premises, is what is judged - though these same positions might be detrimental, or insignificant, useless, in the world.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Wed Jun 08, 2016 1:46 pm

Like ornaments in our home, they serve no practical purpose.
Their value is symbolic, transmitting a meaning we wish to associate with who we are.
Ornaments, like sexual signals, are representations; superfluous, useless in all matters except how they pass on a message to the ones that can interpret/translate it – in most cases members of our own species (gene), evolved to respond to these ornamental displays, or members of our own meme, trained, to decipher the meanings symbolized, educated to connect them with other meanings, other noumena, or to phenomena.
Some signifiers cross species (genetic) boundaries. Mammals understand a growl, for example, but not fish, not birds, the latter simply responding to the loud noise.
Sexual signifiers are also ornamental, having exceeded, sometimes contradicted their original function.  
Peacock feathers, evolved to give flight, now weigh the animal down. Goat horns evolved for defence, or scraping nutrients out of soil, tree bark, now are useless in that function, or their utility is severely hampered, and only serve as display pieces, that actually make the animal less able to defend itself, or efficient in feeding.
Words, released from their utility, of man engaging world, placed in a safe environment where survival is practically guaranteed, become ornamental displays – superfluous, symbolization, hampering the mind to engage world, but meant to seduce, to impress, to attract with their garish insinuations.

MANifesto: Society – Culture – Words
Language made into an ornamental display – art with no functionality, no relationship with reality.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Thu Jun 09, 2016 6:32 am

Nietzsche wrote:
In  the proximity of madness.
The sum of sensations, items of knowledge, experiences, the whole burden of culture, that is to say, has become so great that an over-excitation of the nervous and thinking powers is now a universal danger; indeed, the cultivated classes of Europe have in fact become altogether neurotic, and almost every one of its great families has come close to lunacy in any rate one of  its branches. It is true that health is nowadays sought by all available means; but what is chiefly needed is an abatement of that tension of  feeling, that crushing cultural burden which, even if it has to be purchased at a heavy cost, nonetheless  gives ground for high hopes of a new Renaissance.
We have Christianity, the philosophers, poets, musicians to thank for an abundance of profound sensations: if these are not to stifle us we must conjure up the spirit of science, which on the whole makes one somewhat colder and more scep­tical and in especial cools down the fiery stream of belief in ultimate definitive truths; it is principally through Christianity that this stream has grown so turbulent.


Let us dust-off the idol, sitting on the bookshelf, and make use of his psychological impact in our age.



Nietzsche wrote:
Superstition in simultaneity.
Things that happen simultaneously are connected with one another - that is the general opinion. A distant relation dies, at the same time we dream of him - there you are!
But countless relations die without our dreaming of them. It is as with the shipwrecked who take  vows: the votive tablets of those who perished are not afterwards observed in the temple.
A man dies, an owl hoots, a clock stops, all in the same night hour: must there not be a  connection?
So intimate a relationship with nature as is assumed in this supposition is also encountered in a more refined form among historians and depicters of culture, who usually suffer from a kind of hydrophobia in regard to all the meaningless juxtapositions in which the life of the individual and of nations is nonetheless so rich.


A primitive mind confuses coincidence for consciousness.
Coming across a snake wrapped around a tree-branch it recalls how it coiled around its mate, the night before, and concludes that snake and tree are in the throws of passion.
When he finds gold in the granite he concludes that gold is being birthed by granite, recalling how his mate gave birth to his child.
When he listens the wind rustling leaves, he recalls the stirring of his own heart, and believes wind and tree are in love, dancing with joy.



Nietzsche wrote:
Genius of  culture.
If anyone wanted to imagine a genius of culture, what would the latter be like? He would manipulate falsehood, force,  the most ruthless self-interest as his instruments so skilfully he  could only be called an evil, demonic being; but his objectives, which here and there shine  through, would  be great  and  good. He would be a centaur, half beast, half man, and with angel's wings attached to his head in addition.


I can think of one other half-man, half-beast combination.
Something less noble.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Thu Jun 09, 2016 7:15 am

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All of human cognition, including the formal, such as Geometric shapes, and Mathematics, can be reduced down to the simple binocular mammalian cognition.
Binary logic, and dualism is a product of this.

The organism's eyes become the base, and the convergence point the tip of a triangle.
The tip is the point in space/time, the object/objective.

This is the First Level of Cognition, corresponding to Psychology's  First Level of Intentionality:
Consciousness - Subjectivity of the First Order (Primitive Organism).
A Line


Then, from this, the organism imagines (projects) himself on that point, and perceives itself perceiving.
The organism has made of itself a noetic point in space time.
This is the Second Level of Cognition, corresponding to Psychology's Second Level of Intentionality: Self-Consciousness - Subjectivity of the Second Order (Higher Organisms).
A Triangle



Then, the organism begins to imagine itself imagining itself imagine, a third party triangulating upon a point in space/time.
The two triangles side by side form a square, or a rectangle.
This is the Third Level of Cognition, corresponding to Psychology's Third Level of Intentionality: Objectivity of the First Order (Advanced Organism).
A Square



Then, the organism begins to imagine itself imagining itself imagine a third party triangulating upon a point in space/time, where all, including its own triangulation are part of a whole.
It has projected itself outside all triangulations.
The organism can only perceive outwards but now it imagines itself outside itself, in the Third Cognitive Level, and also behind itself, and beside itself (around itself), creating a noetic circle encircling a noetic point encompassing all this triangles.
This is the Fourth Level of Cognition, corresponding to Psychology's Fourth Level of Intentionality: Subjectivity of the Third Order (Sophisticated Organism).
A Circle



Then, the organism begins to imagine itself imagining itself imagine a third party triangulating upon a point in space/time, where all, including its own triangulation are part of a whole, and it is above, looking down - it is twice removed.
It has projected itself outside all triangulations, and above this outside.
The organism can only perceive outwards but now it imagines itself outside itself, in the Third Cognitive Level, and also behind itself, and beside itself (around itself), creating a noetic circle encircling a noetic point encompassing all this triangles.
This is the Fifth Level of Cognition, corresponding to Psychology's Fifth Level of Intentionality: Objectivity of the First Order (Hyper-Cognitive Organism).
A Cube/Prism/Sphere


This is where the conception of a whole takes place.


Then, the organism begins to imagine itself imagining itself imagine a third party triangulating upon a point in space/time, where all, including its own triangulation are part of a whole, and it is above, looking down - it is twice removed - but it is also perceiving itself looking down - it is thrice removed.
It has projected itself outside all triangulations, and above, and outside, this outside.
The organism can only perceive outwards but now it imagines itself outside itself, in the Third Cognitive Level, and also behind itself, and beside itself (around itself), creating a noetic circle encircling a noetic point encompassing all this triangles, and it is detached from it all.
This is the Sixth Level of Cognition, corresponding to Psychology's Sixth Level of Intentionality: Objectivity of the Second Order (hyper-Sophisticated Organism).
Fluid Space/Time - Thinking outside the confines of Geometric Shapes

A primitive mind/psychology, not yet having developed beyond the Second Level of Cognition & Second Level of Intentionality (triangulation), cannot dislodge itself, its emotions, prejudices, its still youthful self-awareness from subjectivity.
It is closer to animal.
It projects this spotty, yet intimate, knowledge of self, into the alien other, beginning the process of advancing further towards objectivity.

Modern man, having advanced into the Third Level, and beyond, still suffers from the inexperience, and the anxiety this stimulates in him.
Nihilism stifles his courage to stand firm and move on; he is seduced by the idea of settling for the easy, the primitive, the seemingly certain - path-of-least-resistance.  
He stumbles back to the Second Level, that is easier, simpler, only daring to advance further, when there is nothing personal, intimate, at stake.
Titter-Tottering between the two, he compartmentalizes his "reasoning", and is conveniently selective with the standards of his "judgment": schizophrenic.
He becomes a child at play, calling this up-down on the seesaw, evidence of his "balance".


To comprehend the alien other, he uses his selective knowledge of self - projecting in this otherness his own best qualities, or the most neutral if he wishes to pretend objectivity.
He is immersed in a human, all too human world with him at its centre.
Stones, water, wind, mud, all alive with himself; all moving with intent, with meaning, with a purpose no different than his own.
He is in "agreement" with his own "reason", in conflict with it, in alliance with it.
He feels himself moving in all things, but thinks of them moving in him.
He hears his mind speaking to him from afar, from a tree, from a river, from the soil - Bicameral Mind, self-consciousness still awakening to consciousness, as if it were an-other.
Self-consciousness becoming conscience - whispering in the wind, code in the raindrops, the world is speaking to him in his own images, his own symbols, his own words.
His heart beating in all.
He is a God, with God, and this is comforting.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Thu Jun 09, 2016 7:54 am

Degree of alienation of man from humanity, individual from group, is proportional to the degree of self-awareness, and homogeneity: ideal/real agreement.
Self-Awareness comparing itself to awareness.
Nihilism produces alienation of man, as past/nature, from himself – private from public man, personae from character.
To know thyself makes one immune to such internal fragmentation – man is confronted by otherness, distinguishing himself as different from other, and relating to this divergence from otherness through a judgment on the degree of similarity.

This is why a simple animal never feels alienated from world – it cannot compare its own noesis, its abstractions, with the apparent, the world as presence, from the Third Level of Cognition perspective; it is never divided into public/private, having no self-knowledge to hold back, in hiding, any part of self.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Thu Jun 09, 2016 10:28 am

From a psychosomatic point of view, there is reasoning behind the Paternalistic ideal of marrying a virgin.
More than just about idealization of purity, cleanliness, the unsoiled, unconquered pristine wilderness, a man could claim as his own, the pragmatic motive is one having to do with human, mammalian, sexuality, and male/female promiscuity, where the latter was most costly, and the former had to be slightly curbed to permit the latter to be cultivated.
We know that no such inhibitions upon male sexuality was practiced when dealing with females of other tribes, there it was unleashed in rape and pillaging, and in appropriating another tribe's genes to invigorate the male's own tribe.
Idealizing female virginity was more about the promotion of monogamy, as a male integrating technique.
A female's sexual control, signaled her resistance to temptation, and her inexperience meant the male had no memory, of another male, to compete with.
Her inexperience has no other man to compare the first experience with, ensuring that doubt would add to social pressures to reinforce the manmade institution of monogamy.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Fri Jun 10, 2016 2:19 pm

In the past, do you think they chose leaders by how attractive they were, how pleasant, how fun, how "open" to alternatives and suggestions, how fair, how chill they were?
When it was a matter of life and death, what part did fun and games have in the decision; how much did getting laid factor into it all?

When the potential for a severe cost was at hand, how much did potential benefits have to do with it?

Did the leader call all women, children, and imbeciles to offer their two-cents?
Did retards dare to doubt?

The choice is a simple enough, even in these sheltering times....judge, to the best of your abilities, and then live with the consequences - good or bad.
human sheltering has advanced, but it is not perfect, not complete....your choices have consequences outside man-made memes, that cannot be escaped.

No system can absolutely protect the individual from the cost/benefits of his own choices. There is just no way.
Time and the consequences this forces the individual to face, is evidence enough.
There is no real debate.
The costs, even if decreased by an intervening force, are enough.

Then it becomes a matter of identity, and not confusing empathy with sympathy.  
They made a value judgment...let them live with the full brunt of the consequences.
If they asked, and you gave them an honest assessment of their situation, then compassion has no place in it.
Let them experience the product of their judgments.
Do not intervene, do not try to decrease the costs - this will exacerbate the phenomenon.
They have a brain, they made a choice, let them live with the repercussions.

 Top intervene, adding to the already interventionism of institution, is to damn future generations to the same mental qualities that lead to the same errors in judgment.

Let the plot play out.
Watch, learn what you can...and do not care.
This is not about a single individual, but about the species.
No matter if it is one, or a billion, or a trillion, no human fabrication can evade nature, for long.

In the conflict between ideal and real, reality always wins.
In the contradiction of subjective and objective, the objective always dominates.
It's only a matter of time.

The debate between human and human is not significant.
What matters is the dialogue between human and world, subject and object, is what matters, and in that dialogue there is no debate.
No human law, no human intervention, no human fabrication, no human idea, morality, ideal, will be enough.
In this, man adapts or he suffers the consequences.
The degree of disagreement between man and world, determines the severity of the suffering.

It's all a matter of time - movement in space, measured using human metabolic rates.
Then....wait.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Mon Jun 13, 2016 2:17 am




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Females must be pragmatic.
They evaluate from immediate appearances and do not delve into the reasons or the circumstances in past, beyond a certain level - their perceptual-event-horizon is shallow/narrow when compared to a male's who must prove himself worthy, by exceeding competing males - intellectually this means to think outside the perceptual-event-horizon box of the challenger, or of the median.
A female big horn goat does not have to understand the how and the why of the male's extraordinary, disproportional horn display.
She responds to its presence, acknowledging the handicap as evidence of the male's health - that the male survived, up to that moment in space/time, with such a handicap is evidence of his endurance, balance, strength, cunning etc.

In human contexts, the sheltering of institution, allows exaggerated human displays of handicaps, but the female need not evaluate this factor, unless she is, herself, exceptional, but only respond to the fact that despite the handicap the male is present, is immediately apparent.
This exacerbates the sperm-wars where male self-handicapping is used to signal health, and passes into the absurd, because there is no big cost to the handicap.
What is left to appreciate is the immediate effect.
Human males begin to compete on the level of noetic absurdities, or symbolic hyperbole, because they will not suffer the consequences of such handicaps, and the human female, being pragmatic, will appreciate the immediate impact, by how pleasing, and impressive the display is - pleasure is the most visceral, primal, way of appreciating value.
She need not incorporate into her judgment the institutional factor, but only the immediate presence, and the fact that it remains present.
No matter how rational, and self-aware she might be, the effect is instinctive, automatic, genetic.
She responds to the impression of the exaggerated self-handicapping, interpreting it as a product of health, fitness, even if it is protected from world and has not been tested in world without this intervening protection.

Competition takes the turn towards the extraordinary, the supernatural, and because words, referring to noumena, have not the cost of actions, or words referring to noumenon connected to phenomena - they do not suffer that limitation - competition between males becomes a game of verbal hyperbole, where the only criterion is that it remains true to its own fabricated premises, no matter how detached from reality they might be.
Self-Cohesion, indicates symmetry, creativity, self-awareness.
Competition becomes a juxtaposition of noetic cohesion, no matter how absurd the abstractions/noumena might be, in relation to an indifferent world of (inter)activities - a display of mental self-referential mastery, a comparison of fantasy, the fantastic (imagination detached from the limiting phenomena of precedent).
The more fantastic, positive, pleasing a fabricated noumenon is, the more it is appreciated, though it remains irrelevant outside the mind.

If we compare this to other species self-handicapping and take the red deer as our example, then the male deer's balance, its ability to endure the mass/weight of those extraordinary, disproportional to body mass/size, horns, brought to bear against another male of the same species, will determine the victor, and the female's surrender.  
These same horns may be a detriment against species outside this sexual display, or completely useless - species is a sexual category, as is human.
The female awaits the victor, and does not evaluate any other factor. She does not have to, since this is all automated, and a product of evolution, as is her appreciation of a male's impressive handicap.
As such, a more severe handicap, measured against that of another male's, for balance, endurance, self-referential cohesion, is appreciated by the female - she is attracted to it and does not have to comprehend the reasons, nor evaluate factors in relation to long-term consequences.  

In a noetic context, because human females appreciate physical and mental symmetry, any intellectual competition comparing world-views, or awareness in general, are evaluated in relation to themselves - how balanced, how not self-contradicting they are, because survival is not in question.
The absence of value in world, like the deer's exaggerated horns, or their minimal effect, does not matter.
What matters is inter-species comparisons of handicaps.
The value, in other words, based on pleasure, or how it impresses and remains true to itself, and not how it relates to world.

Philosophy becomes such a display, when left in the hands of men-children, handicapped and detached from reality.
How pleasing and impressive the claims, how they remain self-referentially harmonious with their own premises, is what is judged - though these same positions might be detrimental, or insignificant, useless, in the world.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Mon Jun 13, 2016 11:14 am


Don't know if they've done studies on intellectual signaling and self-handicapping.
Perhaps I've touched upon a field that requires exploration.
Tried to give an overview of the topic, as I understand it.

Basically, the same that applies for self-handicapping in the reproduction strategies of song-birds, big horned goats, peacocks, and in human social self-handicapping as ornamentation, jewelry, and consumerism, in relation to "sexy" products like clothes, and cars must be followed further to include signaling on an abstract, intellectual level.
A male looking for a higher-end female, mentally speaking, and wanting to display himself in relation to males belonging to an intellectual sub-group, will contexts the average mind will not pick-up on, like the signaling of a red dear is lost on a wolf, or another species.
On the intellectual sub-grouping self-handicapping will take the form of ideologies, theories, appropriated, slightly altered, and then inflated to an extreme to impress others that can read the signaling.
Again, the theory built within a sheltered environment does not have to worry about the costs, and only expect the benefits, if it remains within "acceptable" parameters.

A male, wanting to signal his own genetic value will adapt a pre-existing one, personalizing it linguistically, by altering the metaphors, the words associated with it.
The utility of the "philosophy" need not apply to a world outside human artifices, same as the peacock's tail, need not have any other utility outside peacock mating rituals, and signaling status to other male peacocks.
Its "utility" is strictly emotional, its motive to impress with its hyperbole.
If it were to be applied outside human contexts it would either be useless, having a neutral effect, or detrimental to the individual - self-handicapping.
Within the relative safety of man-made environments built these elaborate mental structures, and compare them to one another's.
They have no application in world.
Their value determined by their appeal, how impressive they are, and how self-cohesive - they do not contradict themselves within their own premises.

The signaling is the same as it is in any other species: "Look at my beautiful construct, useless in all ways except as a exhibition of how much time and how many resources I can waste within suffering any immediate negative consequences."

Words (symbols) take the place of feathers, sentences and ideas (abstractions) the place of the tail, or the song bird's song, or the ram's horns.



From meme to gene...
Feathers arranged into tails, wings, meant for a specific function, sometimes change acquiring a new function,m which now comes into conflict with the original function.
This is true of horns, feathers, singing, and words.
The original function of the word as a connector between subjective and objective (subject/self <> word/language <> world/object, corresponding to mind <> nervous system <> body and/or son<>holy spirit<>god/father).

We can now understand the Modern approach to "philosophy", as a signaling medium.
With survival relatively "guaranteed" language becomes a medium for displaying self.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Mon Jun 13, 2016 1:35 pm

In the following description the division of subjective/objective becomes clear...

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All of human cognition, including the formal, such as Geometric shapes, and Mathematics, can be reduced down to the simple binocular mammalian cognition.
Binary logic, and dualism is a product of this.

The organism's eyes become the base, and the convergence point the tip of a triangle.
The tip is the point in space/time, the object/objective.

This is the First Level of Cognition, corresponding to Psychology's  First Level of Intentionality:
Consciousness - Subjectivity of the First Order (Primitive Organism).
A Line


Then, from this, the organism imagines (projects) himself on that point, and perceives itself perceiving.
The organism has made of itself a noetic point in space time.
This is the Second Level of Cognition, corresponding to Psychology's Second Level of Intentionality: Self-Consciousness - Subjectivity of the Second Order (Higher Organisms).
A Triangle



Then, the organism begins to imagine itself imagining itself imagine, a third party triangulating upon a point in space/time.
The two triangles side by side form a square, or a rectangle.
This is the Third Level of Cognition, corresponding to Psychology's Third Level of Intentionality: Objectivity of the First Order (Advanced Organism).
A Square



Then, the organism begins to imagine itself imagining itself imagine a third party triangulating upon a point in space/time, where all, including its own triangulation are part of a whole.
It has projected itself outside all triangulations.
The organism can only perceive outwards but now it imagines itself outside itself, in the Third Cognitive Level, and also behind itself, and beside itself (around itself), creating a noetic circle encircling a noetic point encompassing all this triangles.
This is the Fourth Level of Cognition, corresponding to Psychology's Fourth Level of Intentionality: Subjectivity of the Third Order (Sophisticated Organism).
A Circle



Then, the organism begins to imagine itself imagining itself imagine a third party triangulating upon a point in space/time, where all, including its own triangulation are part of a whole, and it is above, looking down - it is twice removed.
It has projected itself outside all triangulations, and above this outside.
The organism can only perceive outwards but now it imagines itself outside itself, in the Third Cognitive Level, and also behind itself, and beside itself (around itself), creating a noetic circle encircling a noetic point encompassing all this triangles.
This is the Fifth Level of Cognition, corresponding to Psychology's Fifth Level of Intentionality: Objectivity of the First Order (Hyper-Cognitive Organism).
A Cube/Prism/Sphere


This is where the conception of a whole takes place.


Then, the organism begins to imagine itself imagining itself imagine a third party triangulating upon a point in space/time, where all, including its own triangulation are part of a whole, and it is above, looking down - it is twice removed - but it is also perceiving itself looking down - it is thrice removed.
It has projected itself outside all triangulations, and above, and outside, this outside.
The organism can only perceive outwards but now it imagines itself outside itself, in the Third Cognitive Level, and also behind itself, and beside itself (around itself), creating a noetic circle encircling a noetic point encompassing all this triangles, and it is detached from it all.
This is the Sixth Level of Cognition, corresponding to Psychology's Sixth Level of Intentionality: Objectivity of the Second Order (hyper-Sophisticated Organism).
Fluid Space/Time - Thinking outside the confines of Geometric Shapes


A primitive mind/psychology, not yet having developed beyond the Second Level of Cognition & Second Level of Intentionality (triangulation), cannot dislodge itself, its emotions, prejudices, its still youthful self-awareness from subjectivity.
It is closer to animal.
It projects this spotty, yet intimate, knowledge of self, into the alien other, beginning the process of advancing further towards objectivity.

Modern man, having advanced into the Third Level, and beyond, still suffers from the inexperience, and the anxiety this stimulates in him.
Nihilism stifles his courage to stand firm and move on; he is seduced by the idea of settling for the easy, the primitive, the seemingly certain - path-of-least-resistance.  
He stumbles back to the Second Level, that is easier, simpler, only daring to advance further, when there is nothing personal, intimate, at stake.
Titter-Tottering between the two, he compartmentalizes his "reasoning", and is conveniently selective with the standards of his "judgment": schizophrenic.
He becomes a child at play, calling this up-down on the seesaw, evidence of his "balance".


To comprehend the alien other, he uses his selective knowledge of self - projecting in this otherness his own best qualities, or the most neutral if he wishes to pretend objectivity.
He is immersed in a human, all too human world with him at its centre.
Stones, water, wind, mud, all alive with himself; all moving with intent, with meaning, with a purpose no different than his own.
He is in "agreement" with his own "reason", in conflict with it, in alliance with it.
He feels himself moving in all things, but thinks of them moving in him.
He hears his mind speaking to him from afar, from a tree, from a river, from the soil - Bicameral Mind, self-consciousness still awakening to consciousness, as if it were an-other.
Self-consciousness becoming conscience - whispering in the wind, code in the raindrops, the world is speaking to him in his own images, his own symbols, his own words.
His heart beating in all.  
He is a God, with God, and this is comforting.


Geometry functions as symbolic connecting noumenon with phenomenon.
What is meant by "objectivity" is clarified, as a cognitive advancement detaching subjective emotions, sensations, interests, personal tastes, preferences,from the observable other.
The process involves self-awareness so to then, slowly, reduce the corruption of subjectivity, used as a standard, from the evaluation of objective other.  
A process where courage, integrity, ans self-knowledge are all essential factors - more so than processing speed, and sensual acuity.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Tue Jun 14, 2016 6:28 pm

Alexandrian man is the psychosis of having been given a cure for a childhood viral infection.
Munchhausen Syndrome for the newly released from a hospital ward.

What can, possibly, match the all-seer's loving embrace, and his offering of eternity, if not the sanctified warmth of a billion bodies pressing you into a womb-like, self-crippling pretzel-like form?
Every nibble a validation of your tastefulness, every sniff an experience if your salty-goodness - living forever in a myriad minds as a positive memory.
In between omniscience in other, and omniscience in the possible future, pagan man sits... in he middle and "knows".


Frost, Robert wrote:
The Secret Sits

We dance round in a ring and suppose,
But the Secret sits in the middle and knows.


The idea that the cosmos is knowable, or some underlying logic, order, governs it all, is nothing more than the dying echo of the God of Abraham.
His multifarious forms represented in multiplicity of symbols, words, names, all implying the same presumed absence.

Long after the parent dies, the child holds onto mementos, unable to let go.

One knows there is an absolute 'truth', and calls it God, the other knows there is absolute 'truth' and calls it by another name, open to its eventual discovery.
Pagan, the natural man, deals in probabilities within a cosmos of possibilities; he builds hierarchies, and lives by them, accepting both costs and benefits.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Wed Jun 15, 2016 12:00 am

From an evolutionary standpoint all the organs participating in the hierarchy, the emergent unity we call organism, cooperate, with varying degrees of harmony, for the preservation of the unity – for the maintenance of this manifesting as presence past.
The brain will not evolve toward higher level of cognition, unless there is a need to.
There is no telos, no innate objective, but only the preservation of what has proven successful in the past – what could endure the world.
Growth, expansion, reproduction is forced upon the organism by cosmic Flux.
Life is this resistance to chaos - both its product and its antagonist.
In healing the damage done by attrition the organism expands, and becomes stronger – by reacting to mortality the organism reproduces, by following a pattern that facilitates continuance, the organism grows.
It is increasing chaos that stimulates ordering, as the recalling of the near-absolute.

A paradox: to desire that which if finalized, if attained, would mean your end.
Melancholy of understanding this, with nostalgia.
A brain that cannot endure an awareness of world beyond the minimum required to persist, will not become aware.
It will fall back to what it can take without shattering; it will settle for the comfortable, on the edge of its endurance.
Consciousness is not the end, it is the means to an end; it is not the objective but the means towards an objective.
Philosophy as the discipline of exploring reality above and beyond what is immediately necessary, can only be the product of excess, and of psychological strength above and beyond the average – it is an entering into unknown dangerous territories, and the engagement of world on a level that may break it.
It has always been those rare types, in every age, who had access to excess resources and who possessed an excess in psychological constitution that could survive philosophy.
Some went mad, when age decreased their endurance.
Genius and madness have been closely associated for a long time – perhaps after human knowledge grew to such an extent that the strength, and stamina required to bear its implications became too much for even the gifted.

It was then when survival took the backseat to human intellectual expansion, and brave spirits ventured into the wilds, risking their mind.
It could only be the highest of the species, with the ability to perceive and to care for more than the immediate; for more than simple animal existence, that could become philosophers of any importance.
In those that went beyond the 3rd Level of Cognition, and could detach their mind, their consciousness, form the body, and its past/nature.
For most this detachment became permanent, evolving in what we now know as nihilism.
The pain/suffering, the need, awaiting them in the body too much for them to reattach with, to accept.
Schizophrenia is a defensive measure.
It is why you cannot reason with moderns, nor hope to convince them of anything.
No argument, no evidence, no reason, is enough to risk madness and/or death.
For those few the death wish and the pleasure principle coincide – the tension not able to tear them apart.
These ones are few indeed.
Called monsters, evil, by those that would be shattered by such perceptions, by those who cannot relate – feared and admired, but mostly despised.
To them philosophers have always had to hide, become reclusive; they have had to hold back their thoughts, or contrive ways to speak of them indirectly, metaphorically, to make them more bearable.

           

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Wed Jun 22, 2016 1:06 pm

What, the fuck, does Nietzsche have to offer someone like me, other than willingly provide his literary expertise and put words to what I've known before I ever heard of his name?
His metaphysical insights are nothing spectacular, other than as a means of offering a connection to psychology.
A new way to connect noumenon to phenomenon.  

He appeals to women, children, & emasculated Modern males, with no sense of past, no connection to the real.
For them, and to them, he speaks of things they have never heard of, have never felt, cannot relate to.
As a cognitive bridge between Aryanism, through pre-Socratic Hellenism, and modern philosophy
he appears a god.
He uses the metaphors of Dionysian and Apollonian, offering further connections to what most are ignorant of.
What use does a mind have of such metaphors when reality is clear to it?
But then, have not geniuses appeared as gods to the base throughout time - have they not been called shamans, magic users, mystical creatures, leaders, priests, by dolts unable to rise above their primitive nature?
What, in he past, was called divine, is called "political" and/or magical today.  
The political leader, the preacher, teacher, is yesterdays demi-god.
This is what these needy charlatans wish to re-create.
But their NEED exposes them to minds like mine.
Have not similar minds mesmerized imbeciles throughout history, more so before the internet gave them access to the "source" of their mystical "power"?
Have not the "above", the superior, seduced, exploited, manipulated the "below", the inferior, even while feeding them delusions of parity?
Is not this, most current, most popular, new, modern lie part of the mechanism of exploiting?

If Nietzsche is a deity, an icon, an idol, among the upper-end of sheeple, is this not part of the strategy?
It would seem so if pleasure, immediate gratification, were not the only goal.
If the idea(l) was more than self....such as it is for I...Satyr.

...and yet...if genius we mean expressing, exposing what is self-evident, though denied, what is apparent, though we are blind to it, then, yes, Nietzsche was of my kind, and I will be forever grateful for his existence, and his contribution to this fight against dis-ease and filth; until new frontiers make of the filth something to be left behind, and not recycled, or paid attention to.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Wed Jun 22, 2016 1:23 pm

Do we not all, as humans, not want someone on 'our side'?
Do we not want someone on our side, for us, because we are who and what we are?
Someone who appreciates, and shares the costs, and the benefits?

Do we not want to be acknowledged as being a member of the 'right', or, at lead, 'our' side?

this should not be confused with herd psychology, and yet it is, primarily by those who identify with the principles of the herds, though they reject the notion that they are pat of it.

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