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Ontology of Illness
One can become used to being ill.
The constant attention; the ready excuse for why you continuously fail; the worship of your diagnostician, the regimented feeding times, eating time, entertainment period; the camaraderie developed in institutionalization, in the infirmary, between victims of disease.  

Over time, you begin to think that being ill is how life always has been - that the disease is a universal good, and that you are the healthy one, not those who do not suffer your ailment.
You no longer want to get better, fearing to leave the safety of the sanitarium, where everything is ordered, certain, predictable, and nothing is demanded of you but to follow the doctor's orders.
One can grow to love his doctors and nurses, and the disease that helps him remain in their care.

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The Modern degenerate, seeped in his own confusion, associating words with actions, or of ideals preceding the real, and defining world as humanity, thinks that whomever despises him, and his sick version of the world, his ideals and beliefs, is really despising the world itself.

That one can hate him, and his ideals, his understanding of world, his illness, and still love life, and find existence incredible, is something he cannot come to terms with.
To love world means you must love him, in it, or his understanding of it.

Because the only thing he can love about life is himself living it, and because the only thing he can appreciate about himself is that he survives, he endures a life he secretly despises, he believes that to expose his hypocrisy, his secret hate, is to deny life, as he can endure it.
If this is tolerable to him, it must be so for everyone.
If survival at all costs, is the only thing he can feel good about, then it must be so for all who live.
If staying ill is the only way he can cope, then how can it be otherwise for another?

"Who could see such terrible things, be aware of so much that frightens him, and not go mad, and not wish to kill himself?" the degenerate thinks.
What is negative for him, he thinks is so for all, in the same way a weakling thinks a hundred pound weight is as heavy, for others, as it is for him. If he cannot lift it, then nobody can.

When he fears that he is fooling himself, then he simply announces his strength, declares his endurance, his genius, and never proves it....never shows it with deeds.
He thinks that to be strong is to say you are so, and believe it - it is to repeat it, until others are convinced. If others are convinced then he can feed off this and forget his own doubts.
He needs others to support him with his lies; help him lift the weight collectively, be strong in oneness.
he cannot face the weight alone. He fears he will be broken by it, embarrassed when he attempt to lift...so he declares himself strong enough, if he so chose, to lift what he never has.
He begins hanging around muscle men, pretending he, like them, has lifted weights the average man cannot.
His hypocrisy feels good, so he forget that he pretends, and considers all who do not believe him nay sayers, negative undesirables.
Those who support his lies, he adores, he calls friends.

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I imagined myself god, and upon discovering that the name had been claimed, I declared myself the real one.

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The thing with delusions is that it's only a matter of time before they result in a correction, or a severe cost on the one who applied it...if they ever dared to test their delusions in the real world.
A delusion that remains theoretical, like many of these post-modern ones are....will enjoy the benefit of remaining useless and inapplicable, only serving as ego boosters for the one holding onto that, or self-flattering, self-referential narcissistic devices helping the weakling feel stronger than he could ever be, smarter than he could ever imagine, more wise than he is.
Such delusional word-based memes only help in validating the individual's coping method.
If he feels insecure in one area, then he will construct a theory that can never be validated nor challenged, but only repeated - every real event will be evidence of its theoretical 'truth' and every contradiction will be blamed on factors outside its presumptuous solipsistic constructs.

The most it can do is serve as a unifying fantasy, bringing together mind of the same ilk - suffering the same insecurities, seeking compensating abstractions.

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Birth of Mythos
Unable to find a cause for an observed effect, the mind dives inside to rummage from the abstractions it has failed to connect, and combines them into a new form calling it a cause.
It does not say it does not know. It does not await further clarity...it manufactures an explanation to cope with the anxiety the unknown offers.

The abstraction is rarely connected to anything outside its own mind, because ti would have made the connection.


But things get worse.
It's one thing to be ignorant and cope with the anxiety of ignorance, in the face of an uncertain, threatening world, and another thing to see and be disheartened by it, delving internally to pretend you did not see - freeing yourself from the observed to then proceed with manufacturing a "better", more flattering, more comforting, abstraction which has no connection to anything outside the ming.

Ignorance is not innocence.
Ignorance is not bravery.

But to see and blind yourself to what you see, is far worse than ignorance.
It's a self-induced narcosis - Nihilism.

What did the original nihilists do when they could not find what they had presumed to exist, independent from their mind, and began to realize that it was based on naivete?
They manufactured what they needed, what they were desperate for, and then assumed it into existence - as a beyond, or an immanence.
They judged it by how self-consistence, and beautifully ordered it was...and to hide their lie, their cowardice, they declared it more real than what had failed to meet their childish expectations.

Later they made all ideas equally subjective, so the ignorance, the self-induced narcosis, did not feel so shameful....because you may lie to yourself and to others, and you may even convince yourself and others, but you cannot lie to the world.
The same instincts that made them contrive such methods of self-sustenance, will linger, as a voice in their head, afraid that what they have done will be revealed, or doubting their own lies, afraid that world will force them to pay a higher price for their childishness.
Those who delude themselves to save themselves, will be driven by the same desperation to survive, though they may not deserve to, into self-doubt, forcing them to contradict, with deeds their very own ideas, their very own declared self-aggrandizing proclamations.
Having placed survival above dignity, above integrity, they will not sleep soundly.
Their conscience will tremble in the dark.
They will be of two-minds - one fanatically holding onto their innocence, the other constantly trying to explain the shifting behaviors that contradict it.

They may call it exoteric and esoteric....ideal versus real, and mystify the reasons why the two are not in harmony.
The esoteric, the noumenon, will always have the advantage....because only in their mind can they rearrange, excuse, justify, hide from self and others.
How will they hide?
Behind words, symbols...metaphors.

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Any, so called, 'philosophy' that does not connect its metaphysics and ideals to physics is no philosophy.
It might be politics, escapism, comforting, entertaining escapism, a way of coping with what is perceived but it is more fantasy than rational.

The easiest thing to do, for a creative mind, is to use words to fabricate a pretty, self-referential, self-consistent, model....just as it is easy to ignore reality and simply draw nice, symmetrical, equidistant shapes, lines, on canvas and call ti art...and if criticized to accuse the observer of not weeing the depth of meaning in the shapes, or declaring the meaning as something esoteric, something to be found in the spirit of the one observing it.
What is far more difficult is top perceive reality, in its minuteness of details, and to then transfer this awareness to the art, as realistically as possible.
Such an artist is evaluated in relation to a shared world...the first is a charlatan pretending to be talented and profound, because he cannot represent reality, nor has an eye for details.

The only reason we respect Nietzsche, though he offered nothing new in the area of philosophy, but brought forth an ancient teaching, updating it with modern artistry, is because he also offered a keen eye for psychology, which could be verified by every reader, and insights into the most current manifestations of nihilism, which was Christianity.
He updated the ancients because they had no experience of a spiritual nihilism on the scale of Abrahamism.
His artistry, his talent was verified in this, and only this, whereas fake degenerates trying to covet his fame and talent for perceiving human psychology, offer no such insights, but only manipulate words, exploit human frailty, and pretend their self-referential nonsense has the same source in talent, and an eye for detail.
They simply declare, announcing their brilliance, and then propose their master status as good enough...just as a talent-less fArtists would splash pain on canvas and then declare it to be genius, on the grounds that he declares it so, and if you do not see it, then the fault is yours, not him.

How many buffoons have come along using this method?
All they can do is be symmetrical, self-consistent, true to the starting premises which they hold as being self-evident....and aesthetically pleasing to the potential convert, the target of their scorn and exploitation.
The point is hedonistic. If it looks and feels good it is true, it is superior, it is meaningful and useful.
It is already assumed that reality, the world, is pleasant, is good, is ordered...therefore all representations of it are, automatically so.

With no external standard every infantile, delusion holds merit.
A child's pictures just as talented and insightful as DaVinci's.
How easy is it to be "god" when you can be so in your head, and only try to coerce or convince others manipulating their feebleness?
With no external, objective, standard, anything made, done, said, is just as good as anything else...with the only criterion being, if not a dictionary definition, for the sake of communication, then how good it makes the majority feel, or how effective it is in manipulating and exploiting human idiocy.

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An artist, like a philosopher, must prove his talent to us, by connecting to what we can validate personally.
We appreciate Picasso because of his early work....
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...displaying his talent by proving his eye for the real.
It is only because of his early work that we then seek quality in his alter, more surreal work....
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We expect some motive in the change of style because he's already proven himself to be talented by representing, with artistry, phenomena we can also perceive, and not represent with as much talent.
If an "artist" were to only offer the surreal, some fArt even a child, or an animal could accidentally create, then we would not seek meaning and value in it.
With evidence of an intent, by first representing what is observable, we might suspect that this pretend artist lacks talent, and hat he compensates for it by exploiting human vanity, the social instinct, and fragility by creating nonsense and then implying that it hides value and meaning.

The same is true for philosophy and philosophers, who are a hybrid of artist/scientist.
With no scientific grounding the "philosopher" compensates with artistry.
Consider Nietzsche.
If not for his psychological insights, proving he had a profound grasp of human nature, we would dismiss Thus Spake Zarathustra or his more ambiguous aphorisms as the ramblings of a fool, but because of this previous insight we know his ambiguity, or artistry is hiding meanings.

Charlatans, like those talent-less fArtists exploit this by beginning with insinuating vagueness, meant to trigger emotions, challenging the observer, the reader, to project into their nonsense their own private vanities, frailties, desires and needs.



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A woman that finds a man attractive, even if her mind rejects the idea, but her body automatically affirms it, the smell of him, his sweat, his body odour, smells divine.
The male who is unattractive, even if her mind affirms him, finds him interesting, but her body rejects, smells terrible - he stinks.

When the first is arrogant and selfish, it is strength - he is expressing his masterly right, his noble ambitions.
When the second hints at arrogance and selfishness, it is weakness - he is envious, compensating, trying too hard.

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Unable to accept the unflattering possibility that his judgment was wrong about something, or about someone, the degenerate projects the insulting error upon the other, accusing him or it, of changing to correct his or its error.
In this way the degenerate never has to confront himself, gradually developing a narcissistic psychosis, unloading all his personal failings, and inferiority upon otherness.
The myth of the self increases, to the point where any reminder of what he is, is taken as an attack upon the image he's cultivated and bought into.
His intimates are those who support the delusion, feeding on it, and feeding into it.

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Reason deals with what is order.
It, then, assumes all can be intuited, that it all works in accordance to logic, and laws.
The Alexandrian Myth, is, to some extent, a reaction to mysticism, superstition, and all the irrational forces that produced, and justified, Abrahamic Nihilism, in the west.
But chaos, is not a more complex form of order. It is chaos, as in randomness -- what lacks all order, when order is not defined as an absolute state of being, but as a consistent, repetitive, predictable, movement - a pattern, or a vibration, a dynamic energy, that has a consistency to it.

As I've said many times before, reality is counter-intuitive.
We generalize/simplify a dynamic interaction of patterned and non-patterned energies into abstractions, and then mistakenly assume that the representation is the represented.  
We intuit in abstractions to give form, colour, taste, sound, to processes - we interpret them in a manner we evolved, and was the easiest, and most effective and efficient.

Only art could attempt to represent the counter-intuitive in an intuitive fashion, and language is an art-form.
But therein lies the danger, the temptation to corrupt.  
One can only approximate, allude to the real, but can also fabricate it, and claim that it is there, hidden, or in some below or above realm, beyond reason.
Artistic flexibility becomes an opportunity to delude and to fool one's self and others.

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When ants conspire to kill, dissect, and carry back to their colony, a worm, they have no notion of a bigger plan.
They automatically act, in accordance to their nature.
A bull does not fight others bulls, knowing he will inseminate the cow, to pass on its genes.
It has no clue what it is doing, other than being driven by hormones, and evolved behaviours, to react in particular ways to particular stimulation, during particular times of a year.

A conspiracy need not be known to the participants.
Christians, for example, did not plan to destroy the west. They just followed the Scripture, manipulating their existential, natural, reactions to world.

Nihilism, and all its variants, need no universal plan, all the participants know about.
The memetic virus automatically guides their actions, without having to engage them rationally.
A virus need not know that it is killing the host it is propagating itself within, and that this will threaten its existence, forcing it to spread to a new host.
If it did, it may have second thoughts.
Ignorance enhanced efficiency.
Sam,e goes for a memetic virus.
Those infected by the ideals of Nihilism, whether they be Marxism, Judaism, Christianity, are more effective when they are ignorant of what is occurring.
They would become less efficient if they were aware.
They simply act in accordance to a dogma, a ideology, and like a host ant, infected by the parasite lancet fluke, it hijacks the ant's natural processes forcing it to behave in self destructive ways, inevitably killing the host and the parasite, which has already passed on its genes, to repeat the cycle in another ant.
The ant becomes a zombie, a mindless agent, behaving in ways contrary to its original genetic programming.

Therefore, when we speak of Nihilism, we do not mean it as a conspiracy, planned out and directed by some covert group....but of a mental dis-ease, that is then exploited or directed, sometimes unconsciously, sometimes driven by mindless automatic need the host does not have to fully understand.
The examples of Heisman and Weininger reminds us of what happens when the host becomes aware of its condition.

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Sloterdijk, Peter wrote:
The difference between a relationship to the world that is primarily about seeing or primarily about hearing has immediate implications for the unusual question of  where we are when we hear.  
To see something, the viewer must stand at a clear distance to the visible object. Being spatially apart and opposite suggests the assumption of a gap between subject and object that has not only a spatial but also an ontological effect. 
The end result is that subjects see themselves as worldless observers who always adopt a kind of external relationship with the cosmos, which has already moved away from them; in that case subjectivity, rather like a predominantly theoretical divinity,  would be first contemplative and then active.
To the extent that the visual world is a distant world,  ocular subjectivity accompanies the tendency to interpret oneself  as an eyewitness who cannot be involved.  The seeing subject stands ‘ at the edge’ of the world like a worldless and disembodied eye in front of a panorama – Olympian contemplation and optical theology are two sides of  the same coin.
Philosophers trying to construe existence from the fact of  hearing,  however,  could not
have imagined an observer-subject far away at the imaginary outer limit of  the world,
because it is inherent in hearing that it never occurs except in the mode of  being-insidethe-sound.  No hearer can believe that he or she is standing on the edge of  the audible.
The ear knows no partner; it does not evolve a frontal ‘ view’ of objects at a distance, because it knows ‘world’ or ‘objects’ only to the extent that it is in the middle of  the acoustic event – or,  we could say,  insofar as it floats in or dives into the auditory space.  
It follows that from the beginning a philosophy of  hearing would only be possible as a theory of  being-inside – as an interpretation of the ‘intimacy’  that will become sensitive to the world through human wakefulness.  
However, humans usually react in the same way towards the audible as they do to their view of faraway things – namely, by objectifying and being distracted, not being intimate,  remaining untouched in a self protective, distancing mode.  
This reminds us that the liaison between the ear and intimacy cannot be exclusive. In other words,  we cannot assume the entry of wakeful intimacy from hearing alone – just as little as we can transform people into mystics by telling them that they are beings-in-the-world.

The Aesthetic Imperative

This passage from Sloterdijk's book The Aesthetic Imperative indicates the psychological line between the exoteric and the esoteric thinker, or the introvert/extrovert.
Nietzsche divided it along the lines of herd and predator psychology, implying a divergence between herbivorous and carnivorous approach to existence, or predator and prey.
We can use this to fully comprehend the differences between Pagan, or Realism, and Abrahamic, or Nihilistic attitudes, producing their own outlooks, relationships with world, their distinct philosophies.  

The predator is visually dominated.
It requires light to focus upon and bring close, what is at a distance.
It discriminates and clarifies - distinguishes.
It is separated from its goal, its prey, its objective, creating the attitude of objectivity: cold and calculated, calculating, judging.
The herbivore, multi-directional perspective.
It uses sound and smell for an all-encompassing perspective.
It can be preoccupied, with feeding, for example, and still have an ear for potential threats.
The sound comes to it, as a passive receiver, and it must react, not knowing what it is.
Sound is vague, imprecise.
The herd must delve into memory to determine its nature, after it has reacted to it - flight.
Sloterdjik comments on this in relation to Cioran's musical theory.


Sloterdjik, Peter wrote:
This is not far removed from Emile Cioran’ s curious musical theory:
Cioran, Emile wrote:
All that is musical in us is memory.  
When we did not have a name, we must have heard everything. 
Music exists only as remembrance of paradise and the Fall.
If we succeeded in clarifying this Gnostic aphorism, we would have the key element of an in-depth musicology that would embrace both the musical art of  the past and
contemporary music.  
To explain this I shall simply divide Cioran’s remark into two main statements.  
First, we hear in advance, before individuation, which means that foetal hearing anticipates the world as a totality of noise and sound that is always in the process of coming; from the darkness the foetus listens ecstatically to the world of sound, usually oriented towards the world, leaning boldly forward to the future.
Second, after the formation of  the ego we hear backwards – the ear wants to stop the world existing as a totality of  noise,  it yearns for the archaic euphony of the pre-world interior and activates the memory of a euphoric ecstasy that accompanies us like a night light from paradise.
We could say that the individuated or unhappy ear continues irresistibly trying to move away from the real world towards a space of  intimate a-cosmic reminiscences.

The Aesthetic Imperative


The audibly inclined will worship a return to the womb, where all sounds were comforting, and not threatening.
Noise coming to the fetus through a protective shield - vague, mysterious, and comforting.
The psychology of nihilism wants to believe in a vague benevolent all-encompassing Being.
What it lacks in understanding it compensates with feelings, emotions, delving into its memories to determine the nature of the mysterious sounds - subjectivity.  

Predators using sight, are light oriented, therefore humans would come to worship light as divine mediator between subject, self, and objective, object, other.
Herbivores or hers species are sound and smell oriented. Degeneration of humans returns them to an infancy, where sight is still developing, permitting sound and smell, and touch to dominate.
Nihilism is a return to a fetus state - a return to the safety of mother's womb.
Feelings, touch, sounds engulf them.
Herd psychology - preoccupation surrounded by sounds that must be connected to memories to make them intimate.

We notice this difference is sensual approaches in the construction of philosophies, regarding existence.
The Nihilist, or Abrahamic, as this type manifests in the west, is esoteric. It considers world a hindrance to its preoccupied imagination, its endless regurgitating ruminations.
The mouth in constant movement - chatter.
Sound is imprecise, but engulfing, just as their usage of words. They are swept away by them- instinctively, intuitively, reacting to their mention, the sound of them being vocalized.
Even when written, the word is repeated internally to reverberate in the mind, as sound.
Sound that can then be sued to fantasize, to manipulate, in order to construct a perfect, all-encompassing, protective echo chamber.
Return to paradise, or the hope of utopia is the psychological desire to return to where world was sound, beyond the protective shell, sparking fantasies but never touching the fetus.
Words are used to construct a noetic womb, an engulfing sonar chamber, of music and joy.

Herd psychology is a regression to the state of infancy - inversion of time/space, of maturation, called progress.
A world of subjectivity and self-referential sounding boards - inter-subjectivity.

Race, sex are social constructs because vision is not to be trusted, for the herbivore. It only reacts to sound: the sound of rustling, of a baby crying, of a sudden noise, that makes it jump.
The auditory dominated herd does not require light to listen. It may close its eyes to the world, and sleep, awakening only to unfamiliar sounds.
Herds project an auditory wall of comforting braying, grunting, creating a sonar field - an embracing sound.
Predators are usually silent.  

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Satyrnalium - Page 18 EmptyTue Jul 25, 2017 7:18 pm

Nothing significant has been added to philosophy for thousands of years.
All that has been attempted is to update the ancient insights, for new generations to comprehend and apply, and how to dismiss and selectively accept, or invert what has been given to us a long time ago.

All that has been attempted is a psychological, political, and social adaptation to ancient knowledge.

How could it be otherwise?
The world is changing, is in Flux, but not at a rate where all patterns, all order, would be obsolete, making life itself impossible.
Natural order is evidence of a persistence of patterns over periods of time/space no human mind can fully conceptualize.
Changing the symbols, words, approaches, attitudes, has not changed the facts, or how these patterns relate, (inter)act.
At the same time we know that chaos is increasing, and that even the fundamental forces, or laws, governing these (inter)actions are splintering, predicting a gradual movement towards chaos, or randomness, experienced as expanding space/time, and/or possibilities/probabilities - linear time.  

The ancients used their own metaphors to describe this (fire water) and in time Moderns, in every era, used their own, adding elements that would make it comprehensible, or tolerable to their contemporaries.
All else has been political, psychological, artistic adaptations, to escape or manipulate or use this understanding.  

Our own Nihilistic age, is one characterized by the attempt to evade this insight, and invert it, to manipulate and exploit those who cannot cope with it.

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He who fishes in a sewer is sure to catch a species that consumes feces, and feels at home in the muck.
He who consumes such species identifies himself as a predator of the lowest, most desperate kind, by digesting his own excrement by using a intermediate entity to hide the fact of his self-recycling.

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Discussing the human condition and anything to do with homo sapient, with those who deny sexual and racial differences, is as futile and useless as trying to discuss cosmology with those denying gravity and the relevance of the sensually perceived.

If we return to the same topics it is only because in our time nihilism has reached a point where it's impact on human cognition has become obvious, after centuries of working obscurely and inconspicuously, gradually eroding our faculties; with such subtlety that it could be dismissed as another conspiracy theory, equal in absurdity as Big Foot and the Loch Ness Monster.

We are reminded of Orwell's warnings...

Orwell wrote:
During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.

Orwell wrote:
Myths which are believed in tend to become true

Orwell wrote:
The very concept of objective truth is fading out of the world. Lies will pass into history.

Orwell wrote:
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men.

Orwell wrote:
Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past.


We have, indeed, sunk to such a low that we, intelligent revolutionary men, must repeat the obvious because the present is controlled by a dis-ease that denies it.
We return to race and sex, and homosexuality, because in these concepts the dis-ease is becoming apparent, after generations of infection.
Some diseases do not become noticeable until it is too late. Its symptoms subtle, gradually becoming normalized as we become sued to their effects.
What is now making it obvious to all with honesty, is that a narcosis has taken over - placing the majority in a comatose state of dreaming, each in their own private reality; disconnected from the world around them.

They will accuse us of obsessiveness, because we repeat what has always been obvious, and is now denied - our senses being dismissed as having ulterior motives, a metaphor for the body contradicting ideologies - the real conflicting with the ideal - noumenon annihilating phenomena; a world of occult hidden knowledge, conflicting with the observable, experienced, or adding to it a mystical substratum to make it all intimate and less threatening, less unknowable.
We obsess over basic understanding being corrupted, and replaced by emotional jargon.

Race and sex, are small parts of the existent, but when one begins by rejecting them as insignificant, one cannot proceed to higher understanding, relating to the human condition.
What will follow, after such a casual declarative dismissal, is a warped structure, or a construct floating in noetic space/time with no substance, no earthly foundations, and no meaning other than that imposed upon it by communication needs, and emotional desires.


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Because all ideals are emotionally based, for nihilists, they can only comprehend any antithesis to them as equally emotionally based.
Self-preservation in a threatening, indifferent world, is felt as self-love, making anything that confronts and contradicts this self-love preservation, a product of hatred, and an attack on this self-preservation.
A life or death scenario.

Lying to self, fabricating methods to denounce, and deny reality that confronts and contradicts their self-loving, self-preservation motives, masked in mountains of pseudo-philosophical jargon, and evasive linguistics, becomes a matter of grave importance.
Subjectivity is this protection of their shaky self-love, and the justification of their self-preservation at all costs.
It is because of their insecurity that they can love themselves only when this love is not questioned, or does not require justifications.
Their self-[preservation at all costs, means they are willing to do anything to survive.
Lie, cheat, manufacture justifications, live in an alternate reality, deny their own awareness...anything.
They have to shame.
They would do anything to survive...and to hide how this makes them feel about themselves, they exaggerate their self-love.

Hyper-masculinity is a byproduct of feminization, just as a love all deserve is a product of self-contempt.
In Abrahamism this self-contempt and loss of pride, in self-esteem, is compensated with hyperbole: a non-discriminating love, a paradise, an eternal life after death.
Everything is inflated in theory, metaphorically, in some alternate reality, to compensate for an unflattering reality.  
Self-contempt is compensated with exaggerated self-love.
Insecurity and fear is compensated with hyper-bravado.
Emasculation is compensated with hyper-masculinity.
Loss of self-esteem is compensated with an inflated sense of self - hyper-ego protecting fragility and uncertainty.
Disapproval with reality is compensated with a hyper-realism, an alternate world, or a denial of it to all who approve.


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The last, desperate, gambit for a weak mind, after he's become aware, but still not admitted it to himself, that he's overestimated his own cleverness, or underestimated that of his opponent, is to claim that, despite the chess-board, he's been luring the other into a trap, or, he now shares in the other's victory by staging it as a "lesson".
It's the only way the ego can save itself from the pain of being exposed.

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The wonderful thing about being a realist is that the world is on your side.
You don't need followers, helpers, quotes...even if sometimes they add to the impact.
It's only a matter of time, for the most stringent delusional degenerate, to begin to pretend that he was always on that side, and that he never denied the validity of what he once rejected and fought against, and now claims to have hidden a secret agreement.

Success has many fathers...failure is always an orphan.

Females know this well.
They cannot resist the man who enters the scene with a female she considers her equal, or her superior.
The same man she would not turn to give a second look to, is suddenly, someone she always "felt" was a "diamond in the ruff".

More vulgarly...pussy is attracted to the smell of pussy on a cock, not her own.  


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Life is a sub-category of order.
Species is a sub-category of life.
Race is a sub-category of species.
Sex is a sub-category of species - a specialized form, allocating trait development according to this specialized function.
Individual is a sub-category of all the above.

Transcendent individuality, would be a overcoming of sex, the species identifier, and race, the sum total of past.
It would be man as pure idea, and present with no past.
A truly tabula rasa individual, would be non-genetic...a memetic delusion that pretends man is born lacking all genetic dispositions, and that everything the he identifies with is written after his birth - by upbringing.

Abrahamics and Marxists assume such a cleansing state, as part of the individual's indoctrination, necessitating ritualized erasing of all genetic dispositions, leaving a clean slate for the dogma or ideology to write new codes.  
We see the relation to Transhumanism, where the machine is programmed from scratch - man writing the codes of its subsequent behavior, utility, functionality.

It lacks a past, a genetic code (memory) because its creator, man himself, is the bearer of memory.
Past, genetics, has been externalized, leaving before us a clean machine, a pure idea.
The robot, a mechanized adaptation of the zombie, is a clean slate upon which man, selectively, writes his preferred behaviors, and potentials.
Memory, in the creator man, is the filter through which the genetic code is transferred into the mechanoid, by converting it to numbers (language).
This is how the Modern Nihilists envision a human being - a mechanized, lacking all dispositions, all memory, all limitations of its potentials - equality in potentials either upwards, towards unlimited potential (positive nihilism), or downward, toward uniform mediocrity (lowest-common-denominator - pure nihilism).  

Past is erased, or is overcome...transcended, in theory, in the mind - noetically, idealistically.
To transfer this theoretical "ascent" they must impose strict behavioral and linguistic rules - censorship.
Nihilism is social engineering, masking as spiritual awakening, progress, enlightenment.
It cannot speak of its own desires and methods, so it unloads them on those who threaten to expose them.
The Modern (Nihilist) is not only a hypocrite, has to be, he is also effete, using feminine methods to evade self-awareness.
I've described this elsewhere.
Process of self-absolution, is to delude one's self, (self-deceit) and then accuse other of what is being lied about, of what is being repressed in the psyche and kept secret from self.
The individual feels clean, innocent - saved.
Saved from what?
Saved from self, in the world....self as the determined sum of all past nurturing.
Nature cleansed away, leaving a pristine, clean, shiny robot - not a rotting zombie, covered with the remnants of this past - flesh and bone on a form that only hungers, consumed, carries on, shuffles on, in endless production consuming - but a sexy, anthropomorphic machine, emulating emotions, altruism, being completely programming....not by a god, but by man himself.
Self-Programming. It's a "logical" conclusion that if man is programmed by other men, that he may deprogram himself, reprogramming himself, with what he considered good.

Modern man, is man as machine.
Working, producing, following the rules, in harmony with a community of robots - the Borg, with a shared voice.
Therefore, appearances must be made superficial - individuality as a wardrobe option, or a restaurant choice from the available (acceptable) menu.  
Man shaped by marketing.
His tastes and judgments of beauty of strength of what is superior, a product of engineering - meaning nothing other than a preference, an expression of fashion.
He appears different, because he's programmed himself, or because he chose to appear so, when he chose the day's wardrobe...but inside there's a uniformity of nil.
An empty body - void of past, with no memory, except the ones programmed into it to carry out its duties and to performs its tasks and to pretend it is human.
No direct continuum.
No harmony between metaphysics<>physics<>ideals...past<>present<>future.
All is presence, and future.  

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Moderns, brought up in a system that offers choices within limitations, are inculcated to the idea that everything is a product they can buy, or reject, with their denial to purchase it.

In philosophy they approach ideas in the same way.
They either buy into the idea, or reject it, refusing to give it validation by considering it at all.
They can reject everything from Evolution to any philosophical concept, by simply refusing to purchase it.
To reject a philosophical concept you must provide reasoning, nor declarations, and if you have integrity you must also provide an alternative to the idea you reject.

For example, rejecting Evolution theory is easy, in this age.
Another idea, sold on the ideas market.
But to not give reasons for rejecting it, and then not providing an alternative to the void left by the rejection, is what degenerates consider their 'right' - the socially based privileges of subjectivity, and living in their own world.


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On the ideas market there is an expert selling an idea that satisfied every particular need.
If the only criterion is agreement with an ideology, with a conclusion, or with an emotion, then all such experts provide a product to satisfy every possible need.

To never compare the ideas sold, with the world we experience sensually, makes such books even more compelling.
The expert, with his credentials, gives us authoritative support, without us ever looking into how his own peers reacted and challenged what he asserted.
What matters is big book sales, and the only way to assure the publisher he will benefit from spending money on a writer, is the potential buyers market. The focus group.
More sales means the book must appeal to more individuals, in today's world.
The book should not be offensive, or is should not contradict what the majority wants to believe is true.
Science and statistics could be adjusted, as science is never absolute, and statistics are affected on how the questions are asked.  

Spin-doctoring is how a potential big seller, adjust what is known, to what the public can accept.
The statistic/author is a human, after all, with a family, with friends, with social ties, and wholly dependent no funding to remain viable.
The left side of the nihilistic paradigm has been spinning lies for decades.
When the right side of the same paradigm, began practicing the same methodology, they were offended.

In all his truth is lost in the whirling spin.
Vertigo is a high.

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What this Capitalist/Marxist context of ideas in the marketplace implies, is that for western children raised in a Cold War era, and after the seminal point of post-modern degeneracy, in the sixties, ideas are products to be purchased depending on personal needs.
Some to sooth hemorrhoids, others to comfort themselves, others to medicate themselves, others, to get their clothes whiter than white, and for every utility there was an ideology and a school full of sanctioned "experts" to validate and teach how to apply the ideology effectively and, in most cases, only theoretically, because the majority of these products were non-applicable externally but only internally - noetic, with zero pragmatic application.
(10 out of 11 dentists agree...)
Marxism itself proved to be a product only for the naive. A product that could not be applied in reality, because it was a theory completely detached from the reality of the human species...as was Abrahamism from where it sprung out from...as are ALL nihilistic ideologies, theories, art forms etc....
A side-market began to flourish. The market of excuses and evasions.
How to save the reputation of the failed product, how to rename and repackage it, and then resell if to a new generation of gullible consumers, with the same needs.
How to keep the capital gains flowing.  
Bernays made it into a science, creating what moderns call marketing and political discourse....American style.

Of course, philosophy proper, does not work on market forces. It is not judged on market value, nor on popularity, or how it makes some feel, and what it promises.
To put it into a context a modern degenerate could relate to, philosophy's motive was never private, or interested in solving some personal matter, or how an individual can apply it to comfort himself.
It's motive has nothing to do with comforting, evasion, numbness, popularity, being famous or getting your undies soft and white.
It was never a soap opera, selling a one hour escape, full of positive emotions, releases of negative emotions, and cleansing of one's psychotic palate.

Philosophy was never a product...but if it were to be placed among products, it's goal, its motive, would be reality: how to explain lived reality, the sensually perceived, the experienced world.
True and honest philosophical ideas are about competing over which one explains reality the best...not which one makes us feel the best, or comforts us, or includes us in a group, or makes us popular, or how it deliver on the promise to get us laid, or to give you a lifetime of happiness.
For this reason philosophical ideas are about superior and inferior theories, positions, evaluated on their merits: how well they explain observed phenomena.

Evolution Theory is deemed superior to Creationism because it offers the best explanation for what we experience in nature.
To challenge Evolution Theory one must challenge it on its points, not on emotions, on slandering and making insinuations against Darwin or those that hold evolution theory above all other theories, on ad hom attacks using innuendos and all kinds of feminine methods.
One challenges a rational theory, like evolution, with reasoning...and if the challenger has integrity, and is not a hypocrite, one goes further, and does not simply critique evolution, for its many weaknesses, but by offering an alternative that gives 'better' explanations for species evolution and nature, than it does.
a true challenge to a theory is a better theory, to explain the same observable, testable, phenomena.

These are the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] ways, I use, to determine superior from inferior.

Application is the best because in nature there is no debate...there are costs & benefits which decide which mind had the superior perspective, and which was living in its own private subjective universe.
In the wild there is no talk over "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" or "all are equal and deserving"...the victor passes on his genes, which is the goal....the loser does not.
The winner had healthier offspring...the loser has sickly ones....the superior has superior outcomes.
Changing the goalposts, the goal, to accommodate all possible outcomes is what degenerates do to escape the harsh realities of an indifferent cosmos.

So, in the context of philosophy and its goal of explaining existence, then the winner is the one with the superior explanation, that can be observed in practice, from a distance (#2), that has the greatest mount and best quality references to a shared world (#3), but first and foremost the one that can be applied and be used to predict and to guide you towards any goal (#1).

Changing your mind, every decade or so, is not only a feminine disposition (for reasons I shall not get into but are rooted in evolutionary psychology), is not a flattering thing. It indicates a mind that is gullible and superficial, or not smart enough....because reality may be in flux, but not to a degree where no order exists, for time periods surpassing a human lifespan, or the total time required for life to emerge on earth.
If nature had no consistent order, then life would be impossible, as would science, philosophy, art...and all culture and civilization.
No matter what culture you are born into, what planet, what galaxy, some patterns hold true, at least on timescales required for life to emerge - there are common facts that cross cultural lines.
for instance beauty as symmetry & proportionality.
The symmetries may vary, but the 7/10 rule remains true.
Height, for females, as indicating male health, holds true. Shoulder to chest, to waist proportionality, holds true. Humour, as indicative of intelligence creativity, holds true. Power as desirable, indicating access to resources, holds true.
Skin and hair texture, as indications of health.
Proportions that exhibit fertility.
All cross-cultural signals.

How you dress them up is a secondary matter. What make-up you use to accentuate them, is another topic.
That you eat, and what you eat, is the genetic pattern...how you prepare and serve your meal is the meme.
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When philosophy was integrated into market dynamics, and politics it had to abide by the rules that govern those domains.
So what are some of these rules.

-Repetition - until your product becomes recognizable and immediately associated with specific ideas, feelings, ideals, desires.
-Promising something that services a popular need - supply/demand
-Numbers matter, because they measure "validity" in these domains. Who receives the most votes and which product sells the most, or makes the largest profit
-Hyperbole is accepted, if it does not cross the line into overt lying.
-finding a famous spokesperson, a pitch man, or icon. increases sales.
-Make the brand recognizable
-Associate the brand with positive emotions, so the name itself and its symbol can trigger an immediate positive reaction
-Use senses as a fast way into the reptilian mind - manipulating the most primal parts of the intended consumer group's psychology
-Re-brand and recycle what has sold successfully in the past

Reality has no place here.
All that matters is market value.
What's tending, what will be the next "big thing".
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] & symbols, used to manipulate, not to connect mind to reality - noumenon to phenomenon...but to connect noumenon back to noumenon.
Popular brands do not sell because they are good for you, or they expand your consciousness, but because they give you what you think you need, and they make you feel good, and because years of indoctrination has connected them with ideas, imagery, desires, to the point where one cannot hear the rand name and not associate it with these concepts.

And what is the biggest desire among the masses but the desire to correct the past, manifesting as presence?
To erase what has determined their traits.
to escape past, or the sum of all previous nurturing, ion other words nature.
To create self, as if from nothing, as a God would.

Tabula Rasa isn't real, it's the idea(l).
It's a social construct, a nihilistic concept, the majority want to believe is true.
The system cultivates the lie, because it results in social harmony - artificial uniformity.
Today's losers are tomorrows winners, because nothing remains the same, or nothing ought to remain the same in a ideal nihilistic universe.
Change means social mobility.
Everyone is a genius in their own subjective universe, in their own right, in their own context...and everyone is beautiful and strong, and lovable, and deserving, and good.

This is the desired future world of Utopian Nihilism.
Paradise brought down to earth...but not the real one, but some alternative earth...like the Communists believed in a political system meant for an ideal organism, existing in an ideal world, in an ideal environment.
Nothing was real...it was all naive fantasies, that eventually slaughtered millions...as did Christianity, and Judaism, and Islam...the nihilistic triad of "Love".

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The motive justifies the mean.
What is the motive in humoring imbeciles, or pretending to respect them, when they are uttering inanities and demanding to be heard and to be considered seriously?
The motive of popularity, or retaining an open door to their possible integration into a following.
An easy integration the more willing you are to lower your standards to attain the end, by sacrificing your integrity.
The motive, being popularity, numbers, the means being flattery, pretenses, lies...repeated so often and automatically that, in time, the liar becomes convinced of his own lies.
The end engulfs him, to the point where he forgets the original motive. He becomes the means to an end he has absorbed as part of his means.

This is the only motive for speaking lies, and flattering, and pretending the other is more than an imbecile.
The only other motive is to remain true to a dogma that insists on universal love, as evidence of faith...as with Christianity, and Marxism, if you change 'love' as another name for God, to 'humanity'.
Christianity insists that the lowliest of the low, the most pathetic, retarded, idiotic, feeble minds, be treated with love and consideration, if you have a chance of entering the promised land.
Marxism makes it a slogan - "workers of the world unite!!!
Could have been "sinners of the world, repent!!!".

The chosen to suffer, becomes the chosen to be impoverished....resulting in a self-contradicting paradox inherent in Marxism as it is in Judaism and Christianity.

But, I am not bound by such motives, but only by a threat.


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It's now a matter of survival, the trend to distance self not only from reality, but from those 'other' degenerates who are part of the same dis-ease.
The symptoms are becoming so obvious that even a mediocre mind, still quoting Nietzsche, or Jesus, or some other icon, to pretend he is part of the 1%, cannot help but see what is occurring, cannot help, no matter how degenerate he is and wanting to deny his own senses, what academics, like Peterson, on the fence, until recently, are coming out to warn us about.
In this newly discovered insight I include the MRA movement, that perceived the edge of the dis-ease, by its most obvious symptoms in the feminist movement, and feminization, but does not, yet, dare to see deeper.
The MRA, then MGTOW, and more recently Peterson, one of many academics ringing the warning bells, are coming out, because only now has the dis-ease becoming too much to ignore as part of a harmless fashion trend.
But all of them, still trapped in the Abrahamic paradigm, remain within its Judeo-Christian premises, and do not risk, even if they may see further, to go further in their analysis, so as to discover the roots of the ailment that begins more than two thousand years ago, reaches an apex in the sixties, when the Cold War was already decided, but not yet settled.  

Evidence of this is how they are now starting to hint at biological differences that cannot be explained by using the Frankfurt School's post-modernity justifications, and allude to a homosexual application, but refuse to proceed toward race, and genetic divergence on a population level.
Specialization cannot be ignored, by the most honest and courageous ones, but few can follow through with the same logic, found within Evolution Theory, to racial differences.
I believe that the reason for this mental restriction is the fact that to do so would open the mind to the discovery of the source of this dis-ease as it has infected and affected the European based west.

It's not only about Nihilism, because this can be found in human psychology as a deeply seated anxiety, when faced with a threatening awakening to an indifferent world, and the individual's place within it.
It's about how a particular method of coping with this realization became viral, and is now threatening to become global.


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Got a taste of the American armed forces when I was serving in Greece.
We were based in an 9 inch artillery unit in Kilkis, a border province with what was, at the time (1985), Yugoslavia, or part of the Warsaw Pact.

We had to perform some military exercises with an American unit based there, that had nuclear artillery shells.
They could not trust them to the Greeks, so they had to deliver them for launch.
I remember the soldiers...they were niggers, or Caucasian hillbillies, white trash, that had no idea I spoke English, or American, and could understand everything those retards said.
My unit's major had placed me among those that had to accompany, and protect, the transference of the nuclear shells, because of my knowledge of English.
I recall how unimpressed I was by the soldiers. Negroes and half-wit whit Americans, who didn't even want to fall on the mud when we performed our mock drills,
They crouched while we fell in the mud and water, of spring thaw, because their ironed, clean uniforms might become soiled....meanwhile we Greeks were wearing these ripped uniforms, because they only gave us new ones every year.
We had to rip the pants to make makeshift patches for when our uniforms ripped...we had two pairs to last the entire year.
Imagine wearing two sets of clothes, every day, for an entire year.
I sewed up a few holes myself, until my pants had no leg pockets, by the end of my service.
 
The weather was so harsh in Kilkis, in the winter, that the water pipes froze and we had no showers or water, for months.
We used to heat water in our metal helmets on a wood stove to wash our uniforms and underwear and socks. With no warm water we shaved with freezing water, for the daily role-call, because every morning we had to be clean-shaven, and our boots had to shine....and our beds had to be made tight and clean.

Anyway...what struck me then, at the age of 19, was how pathetic the American soldiers were.
These soldiers of a world power.
I recall how these two tall niggers, about 6'9" each, were surprised when among our ranks we had a 2.10 meter soldier. We were all average Mediterraneans, and he was a basketball payer for Aris.
The niggers were surprised, as you can expect.
Tsitakis was his name...I have a pic of him and I play fighting on the base.

Good times.

What I learned in the army was self-esteem....no matter what bullshyte the others say, it's when you live and sleep with them, for months, that you see what they are truly made of.


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I only acknowledge two as the times I came near death, and both are characterized by my unwilling involvement - one not consciously involved and the other demanding my conscious involvement.  
One was before I was one, almost dying in the arms of my grandmother who died later due to the incident, and the other when I was not entirely lucid, after a day of drinking and eating, when I wanted to cool off, in Monemvasia, when the night was hot, and the waves were inviting.
The other times, close or not, I was entirely ready to die, and so I do not include them in what I consider 'near death' events in my life.
Being lucid of the risks, means you know the odds for and against.
No matter if you are right or wrong, you've evaluated the odds and judged them to be in your favour, so that you survived is part of the evaluation, and not near death at all.
It's only when you are not entirely cognizant of the odds, that in retrospect you appreciate how close you came to dying.  


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All you can ever do with a clown is to let him carry out his performance uninterrupted, knowing that a clown feels proud of the joy and effect he produces in the audience.
No need to disturb a clown, or tell him about the audience/performer relationship, when all that matters is the effect the clown finds self-esteem and purpose in.

A clown must be a clown, and a rat must be a rat, and a worm a worm...and the audience member, absorbed and taken over by the performance, can only have been exactly what he was born to be - an easily impressed needy individual using clowns to un-burden himself from his secrets.

But to be born, does not mean that all is determined.
It means to be inclined towards the path-of-least-resistance.
A path followed by all not self-conscious organisms, and molecules, such as water flowing down a mountain slope.

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Everything following the psychological manipulation of Nihilism, in the context of philosophy, has been a psychological application, or justification, or evaluation of its effect, through the centuries.
We can include Jesus, and Nietzsche as being two parts of the same psychological analysis.

Nothing new about world, but only about how to cope with it all.

We can say that after the memetic dis-ease took hold of the European's psyche, he's been dealing with what and how to adjust to the awakening.
Jesus was an infantile coping mechanism, and Nietzsche a more mature adolescent attitude, full of the sexual energies of a teenager awakening to his indestructible, untapped energies.
Jesus was mankind awakening to existential indifference, looking to itself for support, and Nietzsche  was a growing up to the delusions of infancy and the demand for a more mature approach.
What has come in-between were growing pains.


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