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Pagan philosophers are mentors, that reveal, to the child the connections of what was always present.
Once exposed the child is set free to validate what he has been exposed to, suffering the costs or enjoying the benefits of his choices in relation to what has been exposed.
The mentor is no longer required. The child matures, building his own relationships to a world the philosopher exposed for him.

Nihilist priests are salesmen, selling a product to lost, needy, desperate minds.
The world is covered over with symbols/words that aim to impress and to seduce, trapping the child in between two text: dictionary and holy manual.
World is pushed to the periphery: buried, or selectively referred to in the context of the sacred manual.

The potential sheeple cannot engage the world directly, but only via the priest, or, in time, after sufficient training in the jargon by him, with the sacred manual.
We notice this in how many Moderns engage philosophy.
They are constantly talking about what others, preferably some famous minds, said about the world.
They are comparing manuals, and competing over who comprehended them the best.
They are presenting icons, with their works, as evidence of their understanding of world.

They never speak of world, but about what someone, said about the world.
centuries of Abrahamic indoctrination, has trained the minds of Moderns to become trapped in text.
Christians referring to world through Biblical Scripture.
Muslims, through the Quran.
Jews, through the Torah, or Kabbalah mystical documents.
Marxists through the Communist manifesto.

Each with their own icon, idol, acting as the text's idealized representative.
Sometimes, in more Modern cults, the priest presenting himself as such.

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As an example of the above let us consider how children are taught to not believe in their own sensual awareness.
A pagan would point to world and explain what the child has always seen....that people appear different because they are different, and therefore race is not a social cosntruct.
That beauty is not 'skin-deep', nor 'in the eye of the beholder', but that it signifies something one can also observe in mating preferences of other species.
Gender differences are not social constructs, because we can observe similar differences in behaviour in other species.

Nihilism, on the other hand, will take the same child and train it to not respect or believe in his own senses, because what it sees as different is, according to them, all the same.
To support this alternate reality, the nihilists will use some secret underlying commonality, and will teach the child to lose confidence in its own senses.

Undercutting nature, or what is perceived, experienced, with dogma, using some sacred manual, or a popular belief system, evoking mystery and magical thinking, is a shared trait all nihilistic dogmas share.

Since the child cannot validate what it is taught, the training has to be repeating and consistent, or a mentor must be on standby to interpret what is perceived in accordance to the occult, dogmas ideals.
Nihilist priest, guru, teacher, offers an explanation for what the individual cannot help but perceive which agrees with the dogma.
there are plenty of potential followers among the herd, because most are a product of modern sheltering, so they consciously or intuitively know how they compare, within he premises of natural selection, and are primed for an alternate, a way out.    
The more ridiculous, mystifying the offering, the more the desperate mind grasps onto it.

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The process follows the usual steps of birth, weening, and gradual Independence.

Child, is immature, insecure, totally dependent on its parent, and then the teacher.
The teacher has to gradually expose it to reality, or to the relationships it can perceive but cannot fully comprehend, slowly building its confidence so that the mentor's guidance is no longer required.
Child can mature and use symbols/words to connect its own mind to the shared world.

Not so for nihilism.
In their case dependence is cultivated. The child is connected to a tradition of text, a mystical, holy book, iconic figures in the tradition, gradually diverted away from world and towards dependence on living or dead minds, with text representing the accumulated memories of this detached from reality tradition.
Child no longer engages world directly, but only through the sacred text.
Everything is tainted by the symbols/words of Holy Scripture.

Unable to cope with world the child cannot break free from the dogma, and runs back to it every time it comes in contact with a world that frightens and hurts it.
Priest, guru is no there to make the child independent, but to continuously translate the world in the context of the holy dogma.

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The concept of 'perfection' is meaningless.
Another man-made fabrication, that can either apply to nothing, or to everything, and anything.

As perfection is defined, by the moderns who take it literally and not as a linguistic artistic representation, the concept loses all credibility.
Need/Suffering is evidence that there is no such thing as absolute and perfect.

To need is to lack.
To lack means you are not perfect, nor complete.
You are missing something which you need, and by needing you suffer.

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Pagan Teachers
Fate of the pagan teacher is to make himself unnecessary, and to be forgotten.
Student is exposed to a world it has perceived since birth, and the connections the teacher exposes for him are so obvious that the child cannot help but come to believe that it had always known them to be true.
The mentor's guidance is often forgotten.
Like a boy who is taught how to fish, most often forgets who taught him. In his mind he always knew how, because the method is so obvious.

Noble father raises his children to surpass him.
Noble sons are forever grateful, acknowledging their surpassing as more than of their own making.
Father raises himself, in the son.
Son appreciates himself in the father.

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A mentor welcomes the questioning of the worldy connections the child is exposed to.
He encourages alternate connections, if they are referring to the same observable phenomena, because the validity of these connections, these meanings, will result in costs and benefits that cannot be denied, but only be used to excuse the child, protecting it from all culpability, condemning the child to repeating the same mistakes, and forcing it to accept responsibility or to unload it upon another, sealing its fate.
The mentor does not hold himself accountable for what the child will do with these relationships of meaning, and how the child will navigate them, because this is determined by the child's particular traits and its motives, its objectives.
The child may even choose to ignore the mentor's revelations, and this will hurt but not overly preoccupy the mentor, because the consequences will be suffered by the child itself.

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Nihilist Priest
Nihilist teacher does not liberate the child from the text, but makes it all the more dependent on it.
A narcissist makes himself the conduit between child and text, whereas a less narcissistic priest gradually extricates himself from between dictionary and scripture, weening the child away form his constant guidance, as to how to redefine text to accord the experienced world with the dogma, and to train it to find this guidance directly from the sacred scripture.
Text becomes the memory of many mentors, inventing clever ways to redefine and integrate the perceived, experienced world, with the sacred manual.

Most recent innovation added to the disconnection of symbols/words from world the gradual disconnection from conventional meanings described in the text called dictionary.
Process is once more inverted.
once, when symbol/words do not connect mind to world, or noumenon to phenomenon, but noumenon to another noumenon, and now the dictionary not determining the meaning of the symbol/word to be imposed on the sacred text, but the sacred text imposing on the dictionary its redefinition.

These inversions do not come naturally to the child. The priest acts like a surgical guide, inverting the child's normal processes.
First thing to teach the child is to lose all confidence in his senses.
What it sees is not the truth, but an 'illusion' or the reverse of what is. A lesson the child will grow to appreciate when it slowly begins to perceive how it compares to others, and to the world at large.
This lesson in inversion will be considered a saving wisdom, protecting the maturing child from far worse revelations, sacrificing no less than integrity and consciousness.

The child feels that it does not have to grow-up, and likes it.

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Pagan deities and the words/symbols representing them were metaphors connecting the primitive mind to an mysterious world, full of strange forces it could not explain.

Paganism took these symbols/words and redirected them towards the mind of a selected member of the tribe. He became the bearer of the tribe's sacred, secret knowledge, and the tribe did not have to understand what the symbols/words referred to because the shaman, as a predecessor of the priest, was the one who held this secret knowledge in his head.
The relationship of the symbols/words to mind and world was lost to the common member of the tribe.

Nihilism took this tradition and inverted it.
Symbols/words now did not refer to forces outside the mind of the shaman, but referred to the mind of the shaman.
Generations of shamans contributed to this collective mind, accumulating a growing pool of understanding, using word of mouth transmission and memory.
Then art was used to depict this accumulated knowledge, and then language, which is an art form.
The common man forgot where this knowledge came from, and attributed to the art itself, to the language itself, what seemed to him to be magical.
Accumulated knowledge, as genius, is incomprehensible to the average mind.
It appears to it magical.
This was exploited by Nihilist priests.
The text became independent from the world it once referred to.
It usurped reality.
It was now the creator of world, rather than the representation of it, and the priest presented himself as the mind that the divine communicates his will to the average mind.
Now, the priest could claim a source the common man had no access to.
Whereas the world, nature, was accessible to him, and so the symbols//words made sense, they gradually lost this connection.
The average man replaced the source with a occult knowledge, a alternate underlying, overlapping reality only the shaman had access to.
Priest could now exploit this delusion, and fabricate alternate realities, or invert the experienced one, much to the delight of the average mind who found in the real something to fear and feel anxious about.
Addiction was immediate, making the priest a peddler of a linguistic narcotic the common man could no longer live without.

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So we have multiple ways to distinguish the Nihilist from the Realist, many ways to differentiate the Abrahamic from the Pagan;

Abrahamic-Nihilist
His symbols/words selectively refer to world via a mediating mind, or a text full of symbols/words placed there by mediating minds.
Pagan-Realist

His symbols/words refer directly and completely to world.

Abrahamic-Nihilist
His symbols/words redirect his mind back to itself, or to a mind outside himself - a holy authority, icon. His noumena towards other noumena - words referring to more words.
Pagan-Realist
His symbols/words direct mind towards world - his noumena towards phenomena.

Abrahamic-Nihilist
He uses obscure mystifying terminology, attempting to conceal world and his own intentions, while impressing the mind he is proselytizing - seducing, coercing, manipulating.
Obscurity is his aim, because obscurity permits the mind to interpret it in any way that satisfies it. Clarity, obviousness, leaves no room for reinterpretations.
 
Pagan-Realist
He uses clear terminology, attempting to reveal world and his own intentions, while allowing others to validate them on their own.
Clarity is his aim. Natural order, reflected in linguistic stringency.
 

Abrahamic-Nihilist
He does not practise philosophy, but religion. His target is psychology, politics, marketing.
Popularity, fame and fortune are his standards of validating his success/failure.
 
Pagan-Realist
He practices philosophy in the truest sense of the word, with a disregard for emotional appeal and convenience.
Ego is not a part of his insights, because they are validated independently using the observable, experienced world, when no corruptive force mediates to alter the consequences.
World is how he validates his opinions - pragmatism. Words refer to behaviours, inter-activities, and not to more theories supported with more symbols/words.

 
Abrahamic-Nihilist
His theories require specialized language, detaching not only from worldly references, and a shared reality, but, over time also detaching from dictionary definitions; restrictions of shared conventions.
Mind is trapped within two Books: Dictionary, and Sacred Scripture, where the latter usurps the latter.
Sacred Manual directs meaning - self-consistent, self-referential.  Solipsism, resulting in paradoxes created when language is taken literally and not figuratively.

Pagan-Realist
His theories require no specialized language. In fact all linguistic conventions suffice because the world is what restricts application. Dictionary, for practical purposes of sharing, and shared world of observable interactions/behaviours, determine how words are applied and in what sequence.
Meaning refers to a relationship of patterns existing in the world, mirrored by language.
World, natural order, restricts and directs meaning. Semiology either captures it, discoverers it, uncovers it, or faces the consequences.  
Symbols/words direct mind to world, where they represent, and do not replace.


Abrahamic-Nihilist
He is taught, from an early age, not to trust his own senses. To dismiss what appears as 'superficial', as 'illusion', as insufficient, when compared to an alternate, better, deeper, 'truth'. A 'truth' that is hidden, existing in a beyond or a beneath, and in relation to it this experienced world is not enough - a mere shadow.
Child takes to this training easily and joyfully, because ti gives it a way out of circumstances he is awakening to; circumstances that are rarely flattering, caring, easy.
Meme usurps gene. Mind rejects body, or accepts it selectively, idealistically.
Symbol/Word is the mind imposing itself on the body. The degree of imposition determines the degree of detachment.

Pagan-Realist
He is taught to take his natural senses seriously, to place confidence in what is perceived rather than what is said - action over words, pragmatism over theory.
Body is wiser than mind, working on a four code method, rather than the mind's binary two-code method.
Gene usurps Meme, especially if meme is nihilistic and proposing an anti-life, anti-nature, anti-gene dogma. Meme, culture, either enhances genetics or it represses and diminishes them.

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The sequence of Greek mythology = Primordial Ones...Titans....Olympians.

Primordial Ones takes us back to the beginning of space/time where Yin/Yang chaos/order are the only two distinct forces.
In Hellenism they are called [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] and [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], corresponding to the dark abyss of randomness/chaos, and the realm of birthing reality, order, where man occurs...the observable cosmos.
The duality also corresponds to man's binary mind, and the off/on mechanism underlying his mental processes.
The simplest method to evolve was one based no dualism, between different rated of order - energy/matter.
Randomness cannot be incorporated as it cannot form stable unities.
This is where the confusion arises because whereas chaos/order refer to patterned and non-patterned Energies, the mind uses different forms of order: fast flowing, and slow flowing....neural pulse and neural cell (energy/matter).
This period corresponds to what we call the Big Bang or the "beginning" of space/time.

Then we proceed towards the titan period which is one of expansion, turmoil, great upheavals.

In the context of planetary evolution, the creation of the planet, and the solar system, is followed by a cooling down period, where earth solidifies and the turmoil is buried within her.
In the context of comic time this is the period of expansion, the explosion of existence, and the gradual cooling we are in now.

This is where the Olympian Age begins.
Dualism cannot become a whole, a perfect singularity, and so it explodes beginning a period of turmoil and upheaval, and then this slowly settles into the present, as a relatively stable cooling period.
In GeoMyhtological terms the Olympians represents the different periods of the earth's history, that made life possible.
pagan gods represent these earthly forces, relative to one of the species on it that is becoming increasingly aware of them and its own place.
Humans use their growing self-consciousness, relating to their already evolved consciousness, to translate what is, for them, incomprehensible, magical, mysterious.
As creatures of order, they can only understand world in ordering context, beginning by their rudimentary self-awareness, constructing anthropomorphic metaphors that express their vague comprehension and how they relate to these forces.

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Chaos (randomness) – Mother of Life and Consciousness
Past manifests as presence, and the present contributes to the past.
History may repeat itself but not perfectly.
Recycling of the determining past is averted due to the effects of chaos, slightly modifying the manifestation of past as presence.
Past is never repeated perfectly.
This necessitates life and consciousness as a way of adjusting, in reaction to these slight modifications.
This adjustment is called free-will.

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What value does order have if it is ubiquitous and certain?
Same value as love has if all deserve it....same value as value has when all is possibly good for someone.

What is life and consciousness worth when all is consciously living?

What's is philosophy worth when all it deals in is psychological projections and reinventions, renaming of what is already in the present as past?

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In a perfectly ordered, determined world, free-will is impossible.
Chaos, defined as randomness not as complexity, is necessary for a truly free-will to have any meaning.

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They are speaking about words losing meaning.
I have been doing so forever, it seems.
My theory is based on how and why this is done, what kinds of psychologies it attracts, and why it is so dominant in this age...age of degeneration, decline, decay.
How would language escape this escape?
Art, including language, mirrors man's relationship with world, with nature, with reality.
In this age language will be appropriated by degenerates to spin any foolishness, and sell it as something else.
If the movies being made can make money then there is no bottom to what can be sold to the masses.
When the music being made can make money, and become popular for a few months, then there is no bottom of the barrel.
Just look at how some are practicing philosophy, the quintessential application of words, in relation to world.

It's the age of the charlatan, the con artist, the snake-oil salesman, the messiah on every square, on top of his own personal soapbox.

This is the age of Nihilism - nullification of nature, loss of sensual confidence, the turning inward, away from an indifferent, unyielding world, into the malleable realms of the seductive, wilfully alterable, caring internal.

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Age of Nihilism = surrealism, supernatural.
Imagination freed, detached, from natural order = fantasy.
The fantastic.

Age of absurdity, of Abrahamism reinvented, repackaged and resold.

Decadence softens, atrophies, degrades what was once strong, healthy, powerful - it de-generates the generated.
Memetic dys-gentics, corrupting genetics.

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Memetic Virus = Nihilsim
Every dis-ease has its symptoms.
Physical illness manifests as physical corruptions of the body's natural order - its organic, organ, hierarchy.
Mental illness affects the mind, the brain.
Genetic, or physical viruses, parasites, affect body - its patterns acting, its (inter)acting - phenomenon.
Memetic viruses, parasites, affect mind - its thinking - noumenon.

Nihilistic Memes are symptoms of metal dis-ease. Un-ease with world, in world.
Discomfort with ones place in world, and how it relates to other patterns, to world.
Like all viruses, they exist around us, but we do not become sick, when our autoimmune system can fight them off, or if we do not absorb them into our body.
Memetic viruses are the same.
They are all around us in code - in books, text, narratives, songs, stories etc.
They do not make us ill unless we absorb them into out mind - unless we incorporate them into out thinking, and unless we are unable to fight them off, and cleans ourselves from their corrupting effects.
Once inside they are difficult to get rid of.

Like physical viruses, the memetic virus expresses itself in thought, and language is how we represent and share thoughts, therefore language is where the dis-ease becomes apparent.
It's the first sign of mental dis-order, or dis-ease.
How we use language - symbols/words, how we apply them, exposes the dis-ease before it becomes destructive.
To what degree symbols/words refer to phenomena outside the brain, is an indication of how infected you have become, because the dis-ease puts you in a state similar to narcolepsy - detachment from reality, also called a state of sleep, narcosis.
The infected one seems awake, but he is in his own reality, withing his mind, asleep, blind to the shared one.
Language will become gibberish - incomprehensible, stringing of symbols/words that have no meaning, if by meaning we mean any sequence of words indicating a relationship of patterns, ro phenomena, that all can witness.

Conventional usage is gradually lost, when symbols/words are detached from reality, and are reattached back to the brain's abstractions. Then there is no need to retain the dictionary definition, other than for transmitting the virus to other minds.
A rudimentary, and tenuous, connection to the book of conventional definitions, the dictionary of the specific language, is maintained, but on the other end, where the symbols/words refer to there is a void, there is no phenomenon; the void is replaced by another symbol/word that may strain the conventional definition.  
This is a cult.
If the cult is successful it becomes a religion.  

The defining trait of a religion, other than its popularity and its detachment from reality, is that it has substituted the phenomenon, the patterns, with text.
The mind is trapped in-between two books of symbols/words, with no reference to natural order: the dictionary definition of the particular language - its conventional meaning...and a holy text, full of allegories, narratives, metaphors that are understood literally, rather than figuratively, artistically.
Between the two texts, the sacred text holds precedence over the dictionary, or text of conventional applications, because the latter go back to a pre-virus age, when symbols/words actually referred to phenomena beyond the mind - they referred to the apparent, or patterns (inter)acting and being interpreted by conscious beings.
Many of these words have to be re-defined to accommodate the virus' processes, its principles.

I borrowed the title from Hanson's book [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] for this meme against gene struggle, but it could also be call [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Wars. It is a war against western man, by attacking his grasp on reality, through his nervous system, using language, or symbols/words, code.
It's first symptom is to not respect your own senses: to slowly learn to consider the same what is obviously not so; to presume an hidden world, beneath or beyond, the one you can sense using your senses; to replace reality with text and then project it as a veil to cover over what you cannot help but see, hear, feel, spell etc.

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A Jew is a member of a Tribe called Semites. there are 12-13 such tribes.
This Semite wanted to liberate himself from a slavish, defeated, lowly past, inventing a meme that overturned reality, and placed himself on the top of the new theoretical, noetic, pyramid, denying this status to those he could not overcome physically.
This noetic construct came in contact with Hellenism, which had a profound effect of Jews.
Some remained true to their original contrived status, and we call those Orthodox Jews.
These, true to their nihilism, pray for Armageddon, and introduced religious fanaticism, called by them zealotry, to their spiritual offspring the Muslims, who are currently putting into practice.
They await the one, true, Messiah, who will destroy the world.

Some  were inspired by the Greeks, intellectually bedazzled and completely dominated by them, as were the Romans, and wanted to return to their tribal status, but with a new, updated, less lowly status, by erasing their connections to the past.
The Greeks were the greatest threat against Jewry.
See story of Jesus.
Hellenism and Judaism are contradictions that cannot be reconciled - two opposite ways of relating to nature and the world.
They wanted to root the ideology, their nihilistic spiritual meme, in the soil, like the Greeks were, like Aryans are - to reconnect the meme to the gene.
We call these secular, cultural, Jews, Zionists.
This results in a paradox: how to apply a power gained by preaching feebleness and meekness, without exposing yourself as being a hypocrite?  
To say one thing and act in a manner that contradicts it.  
Zionists are Tribal, but not necessarily to a Semitic national identity.
Some, wanting to reinvent themselves, and to deny their lowly, slavish past, identify with the tribes of their diaspora homes, where they usually live on the periphery and marry into the local bloodlines.

And some wanted to disappear within humanity, and to no longer feel ashamed of their past, or their lowly status, or their inability to compete that forced them into a noetic ruse, and we call these secular Jews Marxists, or post-modernists.
They are, by far, the most popular of the variants, and the most insidious, because you cannot disappear into genetic and memetic uniformity, so you must reduce all to the same level of non-identity.

This connects in the US with the Anglo-Saxons, who left their homeland, and their defeated, lowly past, to reinvent themselves in the New World.
America is the land of forgetfulness, and reinvention. It is where people go to escape, and to leave behind, and to start over.
This is related to the spirit of the original settlers who were also fleeing a lowly, slavish past, in Europe.
America is currently associated with hope, because it promises this forgetfulness and reinvention of self, when 'self' is properly defined and connected to world as a continuum of memory (experienced and DNA - memetic and genetic) - first-hand and second-hand memories.
This is the American dream - the dream of detachment from world, as when you slumber. A state where you can become anything and anyone, because you define yourself in your head.
The affinity between Protestants and Jews was instant.
They had a similar psychology, due to similar pasts.
See Heisman.
Living in your head is like returning to sleep, where in your mind you can be, and do anything.
It's a form of detachment, and levelling down, because all van dream the same dreams, unhindered by any external natural order.
A dream is surreal, not quite real. It is supernatural, more than natural.
It has some elements that resemble the real and the natural, but then it goes off into the absurd, the extraordinary.
This dream-state can be reproduced using drugs. It is what attracts the feeble, the desperate, the needy, and so it becomes increasingly popular as a sheltered people decline into decadence, and degenerate.
Naive, child-like psychologies prefer this realm of dream-world fantasies - Disney World, alternate to the actual world.

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The new alliance, produced by this affinity of the ones who have nothing to feel proud of, cannot look back.
There's nothing to go back to.
Like children fleeing an orphanage or an abusive home, they can only look forward, to the possible future.
Such children will become obsessive about the future, wanting to forget the past.
They may change their names, their dress, to reinvent themselves as someone that has nothing in common with those afraid, abused children.

Can an old, tired Europe deal with such frenzied children with nothing to lose?
Europe who has become so accustomed to her rich, glorious past, that she had to have it all, and broke her face trying to take it away from her siblings. A Europe who only wants to share, letting in thieves, degenerates, vermin, as she sits idly by, watching them destroy her home.


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Meaning of Meaning
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Living in an age of Nihilism means we live in an age of institutionalized autism, of feminization, of idiot savants, and of literate illiterates, or educated ignoramuses.
Moderns know a lot, but understand little. They have a fluency based on two-hundred, or so, words, and of those with a bigger vocabulary few actually understand the words they are using. They know the dictionary definition, but they cannot connect the term to a real world phenomenon. Instead the symbols/words hover in a state of limbo awaiting some charlatan to connect them to their own abstractions.
As such the very meaning of the concept ‘nihilism’ has been converted to its antithesis: defining a world void of manmade concepts, such as ‘god’, ‘whole’, ‘one’, ‘morality’ taken as universal absolutes, in other words understood as a world lacking what the mind has constructed, abstracted and considers literally, rather than as representation. This world, lacking their fabrications they call ‘negative’.
Moderns not only live in the delusion inside their own had, but they refuse to exit them. They prefer the words to remain meaningless, because then concepts like ‘sex’ and ‘morality’ and ‘race’ can be dismissed as social constructs.
If this is how ‘nihilism’ has been used and abused, then what of the meaning of the word ‘meaning’ itself.
Moderns use the word but they do not really understand what it means.
All they know is the dictionary definition, and this is what they consider its meaning.
But what does meaning really mean, if we wish to connect the linguistic convention, facilitating communication, found in dictionaries, and connect it to a real world, real life, utility?
To begin let us sample the meaning of the term, in the Greek, bringing us back to a shared tradition which Anglo-Saxon English fails to fully connect with.
The equivalent of meaning, in Greek, would be {Νόημα}, comprised of two words: νοώ, or νους, and νήμα = thread.
Rooted in the word νέομαι = to turn, re-turn, as when you weave thread together.
Therefore, meaning means to turn, weave, in the mind, or to return, the thought to the world.
To place in mind and then return to world. To weave, in mind, the world.
Meaning refers to the relationship of observed patterns (phenomena), as interested by a mind (noumenon). What we mean, by meaning, is our own understanding of how the different phenomena we experience relate to one another, as we’ve interested their relationships in our mind.
To say something is ‘meaningless’ is to accuse it of lacking all cohesive relationship.
These relationships may refer to external phenomena or may be entirely in our head, because in our head the relationships are more easily connected, whereas in reality they may refuse to abide by the observing mind’s will.
Now we add a new word: nonsense.
Nonsense refers to meaning that lacks all sensual references. It lack sensuality, it is non-sense.
When a meaning ‘makes sense’, it has an internal relationship corresponding to an external one. The esoteric abstractions is in harmony with an observable external relationship between phenomena, or patterns interacting.
It is possible for a nonsensical relationship to be constructed din the mind, and in fact most Moderns live within these constructs – they live in a nonsensical world of their own making that has no reference outside their own minds.
They may have given their constructs meaning, by abiding by a dictionary definition, but instead of referencing a world outside their brains, they have established noetic relationships inside their head, where the real world cannot contradict them.
They live in a world full of meaning, but of no sense – a nonsensical world, or a world of meaningful nonsense.

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Threading together the mental strands of sensual data, in the mind, may be beautiful and a self-consistent (warm, comforting, useful) tapestry, and it still is not, necessarily, anything but a noetic construct that lacks sense – it can be a wonderful tapestry of the mind’s weaves, and still be nonsense when it does not correspond to nature's order, nature’s (inter)activities, and only covers them over with man-made fabric... a fabrication.
We may even say that a mind freed from nature's order can fabricate far more appealing, to it, weaves, constructing using imagination free from world a far more appealing ‘world’, called fantasy.
A fantasy can be far more fantastic for the one who relates to world as much too much, or far too little, to satisfy its needs.
Need becomes the guiding hand weaving the fantasy for the mind to be covered by, or to cover the world with.
And, of course, what child would not prefer the fantasy to the real, when it is protected and cared for, and has nothing important to worry about?
It can play, using its imagination, fabricating fantastic alternate realities, and invite its friends to participate.
But, according to Greek linguistics truth is not a 'thing', an absolute, but an un-covering, an un-forgetting. It is a negation, a negative for the trembling needy mind, of what it has fabricated to cope.
It negates a negative...

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The only way a will can be free is if the world is not absolutely ordered and therefore not entirely predictable deterministic.
for if it were absolutely ordered we would simply be following a predetermined path, and our choices would also be predictable and obvious.
There wold be no need for consciousness in an absolutely determined reality, because reactions to the same patterns would be established, over time, without any judgment required.
Trial and error would manifest as a prescribed reactivity requiring no input.

Chaos, defined as randomness, makes consciousness essential, if not necessary for the continuance of the continuum of memories we call life.
Consciousness is the real-time reaction to the unforeseen and the unpredictable.

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Interactions & Interpretations wrote:
1.1.3 Flow = Movement of congruent patterns along path-of-least-resistance.
1.1.3.1 Movement = possibility of (inter)action.
1.1.3.1.1 Movement, in addition to patterns vibration/oscillation determines its attraction/repulsion range of effect, making it possible for the same pattern, travelling/moving in different directions to come in conflict, to be disharmonious, repulsive, to one another.
1.1.3.1.2 Dimensional sharing: as movement in one dimension increases, it decreases in all others; as possibility (space) in one dimension increases it decreases in all other dimensions.
1.1.3.1.2.1 Difference between matter/energy is that energy’s speed indicates a shrinking of its dimensional imprint, lowering the possibilities of (inter)action in all other dimensions (space/time) except the direction of tis movement, whereas matter’s slower rhythms indicate a sharing of dimensional possibilities for (inter)action.

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Re-Connecting the words nihilism is tearing away from reality, is a return to the grounding of philosophy - on, in, the earth, from where we can begin, keeping true to natural order, build upwards towards the idea(l)....our feet stable on the earth, our heads in the air, and our mind inside our skulls.
Philosophy limited by natural order is a difficult one.
Far easier to detach words and build clouds in the sky, then connecting them to esoteric, private, occult, references nobody can test, perceive nor appreciate, but only feel, emotionally attach to and be seduced by,a s a woman or a child would by romantic fantasy - the fantastic.
Without this connection to reality, via symbols/words, philosophy becomes religion, or fantasy, naive idealism, that can only survive by proselytizing, or coercion masses of minds.
Philosophers are rare, because true philosophy is difficult when the world imposes a rule, a limit, a direction, just as reality imposes form, colour, texture upon an artist that wants to paint the world, and not his private reactions, and feelings towards it.
Such artists are rare, and stand apart form those who can splash colour on a canvas, or mud on a pedestal and declare it good, and art, and as that which hides a more profound truth.
Changing words around, synthesizing abstractions in pleasing ways, or ways that will attract attention, or followers, is easy....but t is not philosophy.
Renaming phenomena, and declaring them this or that, is easy, but it is not philosophy.  
Fantasizing a better alternate reality, a more exciting world, is easy, but it is not philosophy.
An artist's talent, and intent, is displayed in his representation of the shared real.
Changing forms, colour and claiming it to be a superior representation is charlatanism.
Painting a purple tree and declaring ti a more profound, occult, representation of treeness, is charlatanism.
Scribbling lines on the canvas and naming it a tree....the deeper essence of a tree, is charlatanism.
Finding sycophants to follow your alternative, "revolutionary", groundbreaking 'style' and contribute to its absurdity, is charlatanism.
Plenty of such feeble, needy minds in the world.

What is difficult is painting something even a laymen can appreciate, and recognize as being real, about the real world.
Something not requiring a special vocabulary, or esoteric explanations for even the simplest of minds to recognize as being about a shared world...even if he may miss the details, the subtleties.
Such art is difficult...not easy. It requires talent, and it cannot be performed by an elephant with a paint-brush, or a chimpanzee with a typewriter.  
You feel and see its truth immediately.
It does not require coercion, or seduction.
It is because it is difficult and the ones capable of creating true art that we hold artists and philosophers, as artists using symbols/words, in such high regard.
Charlatans are a dime a dozen...one born every minute, to accommodate fools born every second - supply/demand.

A true philosopher does not seek accolades, followers, recognition, but only clarity.
He is not driven to become famous, or to be held in high regard, or to become a religion for future generations.
Such needs expose the mind as being the opposite of philosophical - willing to corrupt himself, and his to lie, because he places his self-aggrandizement above the philosopher's one and only objective: to approach world, to see, to accept, and to share the insights with those that should doubt them, test them, challenge them.
A true artist does not write music to become famous, to seek, to the mediocre masses....he creates because he must.
Whether his work is appreciated, or even known, is irrelevant to his desire to produce it - it pours out of him, one way or another....he cannot stop it.
He may find pleasure when others appreciate his art, but this is a secondary effect, not his primary.

Beware of moneylenders, charlatans, hoarders, snake-oil salesman, or any kind of salesman, misers of the soul, for they are guided by a different internal lack, they dare not expose.
They lie, pretend, plagiarize, hide, masking their plagiarism by altering the product, ever so slightly, reselling the same things that have proven good sellers in the past, and they begin with deceiving themselves to make the performance more convincing.

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I hold myself accountable to the same ideals, the same principles, I espouse.
All my opinions, my theories ought not to be accepted with no personal contributions.
Nothing I say should be believed in, without question, without challenge, without validating them in your own personal lives, over time...not as perfect absolute truth, but as superior or inferior explanations of a shared world.

My theories are testable by each and everyone who reads them.
They are not hidden, they do not refer to text, they do not exist in me, in some occult realm....the are verifiable in world by each and every individual that exists in the world.
They do not make grand statements, declarations; they do not flatter, or comfort; they do not present me as any sort of ideal to be emulated, or admired, or followed as an example.

They do not offer an absolute....but only the superior, awaiting a better explanation of what is experienced by all.
No secret knowledge, no special lingo, no mystifying romantic idealism....straight up hard reality, all can see.
The only thing secretive, mystifying, is that which attempts to mask, to cover up the real.

Aletheia....RE-Calling.
Find in yourself what you've forgotten - what you've become convinced to not respect.
Find in yourself your own senses exposing a world you may not like, but cannot be escaped.

You already know the universe is not conscious, and you are.....but you want to forget.
You already know you're perception of difference is not superficial, but it means something important....but you want to forget.
You already know you are not perfect and so the cosmos is lacking in perfection, because the concept is a manmade one, just as the concept of 'absolute' and a one god, and that one is nothing more than a symbol, referring to arbitrarily separating parts of existence ....but you want to forget.
You already know sexual differences are more than physical....but you want to forget.
You already know races must exist for evolution to make sense....and man is not except from natural order....but you want to forget.
You already know that what you see in the mirror is what you are, it is the self, and you wanting it to be more, is you wanting to forget.
You already know the world does not hide, but is appearing, can be perceived, by an organism with senses....and that what is imperfect, partial, are your interpretations of what is apparent....but you want to forget.
You already know that language is sufficient, though imperfect, because it has served man well, and man's creations proves how sufficient it is...but you want to forget.

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Beware of the one who calls himself good, who declares himself a genius.....he is the most foolish of the fools, the worst of the worst.
Beware of the one who wants to lead....he will lead you to your doom.
Beware of the one who calls himself a saviour...he is one of the damned.
Beware of the one who has found the absolute....for he is absolutely lost.
Beware of the one who announces that he's found the solution to everything....for he has nothing.
Beware of the one who desires to rule, for he is ruled by his passions, his needs.
Beware of the inflated ego, peering into itself.....for he is fragile, seeking protection in himself.

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If a 2% difference, the genetic difference between humans and chimpanzees, can have such profound effects as sending one to the moon while the other remains swinging from the trees, then no difference can be judged to be insignificant, or one that ought to be ignored, as if it were not there.

Species splinter from the same ancestor, gradually increasing DNA differences..
We can rationally assume that the @% was 1%, and before that ).9%, 0.8%....0.1%.
focusing on sameness is the prejudiced ruled by social conventions.
In nature all is different...even the same individual is different from itself a millisecond before and after.

All is flowing....fluctuating.
All is process.


And if two individuals born of the same ovum, split in two, where one is male and the other female, can manifest in the profound differences of XX XY chromosome divergence then we can assume that the simple effect of hormones, in the uterus, and shortly after birth, when a human offspring, like many large brained species, is still developing outside the uterus, can have such a profound effect as distributing muscle and bone mass differently, or developing the ovaries into testicles, or slightly altering brain proportions, then it should not surprise is if twins, of the same sex, are never absolutely alike.
Because nothing is ever the same....in a cosmos in flux.

even two clones would not be absolutely perfect copies of one another.
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You buy the same brand of car, from the same company of the same year and the two automobiles are not perfect copies of one another.

Sameness requires a simplification/generalization to a scale where divergence disappears in uniformity.
Disappears to the acuity of the particular organism.

This is why Nihilism, is a consciousness levelling process.
Dumbing-Down...loss of consciousness.
The social engineering of a dull, dim-wit, who has the sensual sensitivity of a slug, and the ability to discern of a first-generation robot.

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What is change?
It is not the same 'thing' altering.

It is patterns of the same frequency, and non-patterns lacking a pattern, interacting, and flowing.
It is process, waves of Energy, frozen as particles, as points in space/time, juxtaposed to one another.

There is only interaction, attraction/repulsion, friction, fragmentation/unification, where fragmentation is increasing....interpreted as linear time: gradual increase of complexity and randomness, tending towards absolute chaos, but never reaching it.

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There is no separation of cause from effect...the cause is present, is apparent, in the effect.
But the effect is the product of one or more patterns (inter)acting so the effect is a product of multiple ordered and chaotic energies relating, and experienced after-the-fact, given the space/time required to perceive and to process the outcome as an event.

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Creating an entirely self-consistent alternate reality that uses reality itself as a reference but then diverts by inflates or deflates reality to accommodate a fantasy narrative is not easy.
It requires some creativity.
But neither is it difficult when you posses that talent.

Pop-culture is full of examples of alternate fantasy realities, completely self-consistent, and more amazing than reality itself.
Take the DC and Marvel universes, for starters and then proceed to alternate world such as Lord of the Rings and Star Trek,. Star Wars and Babylon 5, and Matrix, and so on and so on.
All self-consistent.
All fantastic.
All selectively sampling our real, experienced world, using it as a backdrop....alluding to it in their imaginative 'corrections', exaggerating or ignoring to fabricate an alternate world, in many ways more exciting,more preferable to a large audience.

There are books written on their self-referential 'philosophies'.
But this is not philosophy.
To disconnect symbols/words from reality and reconnect them in an alternate fabricated abstraction in your head, and then seek followers, an audience to make it seem real, is not philosophy. This is what a cult does....and a cult that develops into a mass movement, a Religion, such as the Abrahamic triad: Judaism, Christianity & Islam.

Marxism was its own alternate reality, existing in a alternate world, concerning a species not human....an ant-like, bee-like species...not a primate.
this is why it failed.
No matter how popular it became, how passionately its fans wanted to impose it as a cover of the real, It failed, because the world itself is indifferent to all alternate, subjective, entirely theoretical, ideologies, and fantasies.

This is what happens when symbols/words, representing noetic constructs, abstractions, are detached from phenomena and reattached to mental fabrications, synthesizing abstractions of the real world in ways that do not correspond to anything outside the mind.
This is what happens when language is misused and abused to accommodate needs, desires.

Just take the word God, to see how it was detached, By Abrahamism, inspired by Zoroastrianisms, because the Jews never invented anything original, and never produced any unique art.
Just look what they did with the pagan symbol/word for natural forces - representing natural order.
They tore it away, and out of the world, lacing it beneath above, beyond....and then defined it in a way that contradicted the world, and the original meaning.
Multiplicity became one - a singularity.
Fluidity became the absolute.
Emotions became magical, and not organic automated reactions to stimuli.

Now we are disconnecting words like race and sex, from their original references and purposefully making them ambiguous abstractions, ideologies existing only in the mind, so as to then claim that they are social constructs, or manmade.
Gradually, we are living in a fantasy world, where we cannot trust our own senses, because they deceive us, whereas the fabrication is the 'real' reality.
The imaginative constructs in out minds are more real than the natural order we perceive continuously.
Anti-empirical...anti-life....anti-sensual, we are driven to surrender to our passions, our needs, our desires, and live in a world of our own making....in our heads.
But to do this, to justify doing it, we must make the world itself a fabrication of another mind - the product of another's will, so that our ego can rebel and declare its own just as worthy.

This is not philosophy.
This is fantasy.
At best it is bad art, politics exploiting human frailty, and stupidity, a wonderful infantile world we so wish to make real.

The world directs language...not language the world.
Sure, we may be bored, or afraid, or we may feel underappreciated, not important...so we wish to escape our genetically determined pass by inventing an alternate world, or by entering one invented for us.
But this is not philosophy.
Entertainment, escapism, religion, perhaps a psychological booster...but not philosophy.

Philosophy is an art that uses symbols to interpret the world that already exists, and like an artist who wishes to represent nature, and reality as it is, it is the world that imposes upon him what forms, what colours, he can use and in what sequences he can apply them.
We can paint a reality more interesting, more perfect, fantastic, extraordinary than the one we've got, but that's not realism. we can make it self-consistent, and place ourselves in its midst as an important, supernatural figure, but that's not reality.

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Without chaos, defined as randomness, there is no value nor meaning in order.
There is no freedom in willing.
There is no possibility, for the attainment of nobility, in living.
Without chaos, defined as randomness, heard as noise, there is no significance to order, rhythm, the beauty of symmetry and proportionality, the sound of melody, to dance to.

Ah, my brothers and sisters....I do not offer you salvation, or a way to somewhere 'good'. I do not even offer myself as your leader, or friend.
I only offer you what you have for too long denied, and forgotten.
Blood, sweat, and tears, to make those moments of comfortable laughter all the more precious.

Have we not lied to ourselves and to others, for too long?
have we not sought comfort in gestures and symbols and empty words?

I am not your mentor, nor your leader, nor your king.
I take my hierarchy from my bloodlines, birthed in Sparta, that spoke of Homoioi - the same.
Each man a king in his own right, only choosing the one, or two to represent them.
What I offer is not my leadership, nor my advice.
I offer the world, as it is.

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Do not follow...I open the door for you to step through and go your own way.

Who but a slave would seek followers in slave-pens?
Who but a man born of slavish blood, dreams of becoming a master of slaves; dreams of leading them, telling them he is their leader?
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Need betrays declarations of strength as no more than compensating weakness.
We are all subordinate to the gods; to the world that birthed us, owing our allegiance only to our own kin: our blood, our ancestors, dead and alive.
Each and every man for how own.
Who but a man ashamed of his own, seeks a new bloodline in foreign lands, baptizing himself as one of them?  
Who but someone lost, seeks his path in places he does not belong?

My clan chose kings to lead for a short while, as representatives not authorities. They chose the same, from their midst.
I cultivate free men, not slaves to follow me.
I cultivate homoioi.
A farmer begins by clearing his field, by diligently weeding his garden, by protecting it from parasites, and thieves.

The parasite of the mind is Nihilism, that takes words out of their natural role and makes them ideals existing in the minds of charlatans and miserly, witch-doctors, dreaming of kingship, of empires with themselves as the centre, at the top.
I offer no symbols and words....to be found only in text, or scribbled on stone tablets, or recited in verse, verbatim.
I offer no books, no Scripture, no icons, or idols.

Take my words and see for yourselves...do not just take my words.
Doubt them, question them, test them.
Take your time.
Be honest and precise....be courageous.
Be honourable.
Be free men and women.
You owe me nothing.
Pass it on to your own.

I offer no pretty words, no old-wives tales, no superstitions, no magical talismans, no perfect one god eternal meaning.
You can get that anywhere.
You have been there, seeking truth in the many reinventions of the same promised singularity; the same high minded words and mystical, magical symbols.  
You shall not find these in me, and if this is what you need, then leave.  I have nothing new to offer you.

What I offer is what you already know, but have forgotten, have rejected.
You already know this....and I remind you.
I am no ideal....HA!!!
I am the real.
Take what I give, or do not.
The price is yours to pay, as are the self-numbing pleasures yours to risk.

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