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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Thu Apr 05, 2018 10:35 am

Before one sets a course of action, one must analyze the environment within which he will travel.
Then he must analyze the destination. Is it real, it is in his head- is it attainable or forever unattainable....is it real or ideal?
He does so through the analysis of the environment, and the juxtaposition of his destination (objective, goal) with this environment (world, real).

Then he must analyze self, in relation to both - first in relation to environment (world), and then in relation to the destination (objective), and he must make sure he is not over-estimating self, or underestimating self.
Self-knowledge is essential because the same goal, within the same environment is different in relation to one individual than it is for another.
This difference is one of juxtaposition....a relationship of self, and world, and then self and the objective.

Objectivity refers to accuracy, or the degree to which the subjective judgment is accurate.
To test this the individual may choose, before he undertakes the journey, to test his judgment.
he does so by comparing it to another, and then comparing both to the world both share.

There is no one, all-encompassing, universal answer.
Not because the world and/or the destination is different for each individual but because each individual relates differently to the same world, and to the same destination.
For example...one individual may find an ascent up a cliff easy and exiting, and another may find it too difficult and dangerous...but the cliff is the same for both, as is the summit.  
Is it good or bad to want to climb the cliff?
This question can only be answered in relation to the individual's ideals, his motives, and how they correspond to the world.
For example, for one climbing the cliff is a challenge and a healthy way of exerting himself, of exercising.
For another the goal, the ideal, is to remain comfortable and safe...so for him climbing the cliff is nonsense.
He idealizes watching television and munching on chips.

Which is right?
One guy says this, the other that, and both have compelling arguments.
What determines who is more accurate?
World.
The one who exerts himself and places himself into controlled threats will become strong, agile, less afraid.
The other will become soft, fat, afraid of everything.
So the debate is settled by the outcome.
The costs/benefits of both judgments have real world implications which are independent from words, and justifications, and arguments.
But what is the second guy is also a coward and never practices what he preaches?
Why would he lie?
Is he lying to himself, to set up an excuse knowing what the consequences are; dopes he lie because he knows he cannot climb the cliff; does he lie to convince the first guy to also sit on his ass and ea chips, so as to not feel inferior, afraid of the obvious consequences and how he will look, in comparison?

Same goes for other issues, like race, sex, politics, spirituality. It does not matter what you believe, the outcome exposes the accuracy of your judgment.
The second guy may pretend he is climbing internal, abstract, cliffs in his head, exercising and cultivating an esoteric fitness, that can only be appreciated by those who also climb only these esoteric cliffs.
Who can disprove him?
Nobody....but the outcome is still the same in the real world...only in this case the second guy can claim that his external unfitness is concealing an internal fitness.

Bad judgment is justified by the coward and the hypocrite, using the occult....the unseen, the esoteric.
It is the idea that all is a social construct which is a human fabrication....when the world screams the opposite.
It is the intent that all 'ought to be a social construct', where all are equal in potentials, which is underlying this idealism.
All ought to be levelled down so that it can then be equally cultivated...or cultivated to be equal.
Social engineering has to make all a product of society.
No God....so man will be the will that determines human destiny.
Man will cultivate himself to become his ideal.
He will become his own God.
This is as arrogant, narcissistic, and self-deciving as believing you deserve eternal life, and a omnipotent will watching over you day and night.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Thu Apr 05, 2018 10:50 am

It's ironic, if not disgusting, that those that profess to abhor social engineering, or eugenics, using Hitler as their bogeyman, are the same ones who are implying eugenics as a way to 'correct' natural selection, and to bring about their idealized Utopia, populated by ideal citizens, in an ideal world.
What else does 'all is a social construct' mean, but that all ought to be socially determined?
It's a self-validating hope, claiming that social engineering has gone astray and that it ought to be practices properly.

Natural selection has no power in their 'all is subjective' minds.
Not chance, not random factors...but all is correctable by proper upbringing, nurturing, because all ought to be corrected.
An Abrahamic promise if ever I heard one.
Marxism used other terminology but essentially promised the same thing.


What does 'god' mean for the anti-logos, nihilists?
It means humanity....the in-group.
What does paradise mean?
It means Utopia, constructed by proper training, faithful obedience to the code of proper conduct.
A hive mind, where differences in appearance are merely superficial, fashion statements, childish attempts to stand-out from the, desired, uniformity.
Ant-like men...a beehive of honey goodness.
Queen being symbolic....not really the authority. A hive of equals...working together, sharing the bounty....watched over by a celestial bee-keeper.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:08 pm

A value judgment is a juxtaposition of a behaviour with an intended goal.
Morality is the standard by which this intention, this goal, will be measured.
Abrahamics place it in the beyond, and name it God.
Marxism places it in the world but retains its abstraction, naming it Humanity, or State.

In its evolution morality begins as a juxtaposition of the individual's behaviour, choices, in relation to fluid group dynamics.
The intention is to remain within the group, or to dominate it.
The intent to dominate a group may become immoral when it conflicts with the interests of the majority.
For instance, in chimpanzee troupe, a violent male may ascend and gain control of the dominant position but his violence conflicts with the majority's interests. With the subordinate males when it is expressed as aggression towards them, and towards the females when it conflicts with their need for a stable, peaceful group dynamic to carry out their reproductive role.  
This is how in-group violence, eventually evolved into rules against murder, which did not include killing members of a different group.  
Modern morals have made humanity that all-inclusive group, where violence towards humans is placed on a higher immoral status than violence towards animals.
Killing humans is punished and so it is considered immoral, but killing animals, without making them suffer, is considered part of the natural order of things.
God was used to symbolize the in-group.
This is why it was described as a singularity.
Today god has been replaced by the concepts of state or humanity.    

In nature there are no immoral acts. There are only actions, choices, that benefit the organism and actions that cost the organism.
The reason, for instance, that having sexual relationships with your own family member's, your first degree relations, is because the odds of having an ill baby rise.
This is the cost which is detrimental to the individual's overall efforts.
So it evolved as an innate repulsion.
What we know as 'morality' refers to behaviours that benefit social cooperation.
We witness these behaviours in all social species, because without them evolving the species could have never developed the social instinct, and the cooperative survival strategy.
Homo sapient is the only species where the morals have been symbolized and written down as shared rules, and the only one that has imposed rules that go above and beyond the requirements of social codependent, such as rules that integrate as many males into the group, as possible, making them investors in the group's welfare. Such rules are the laws about monogamy, directing and imposing specific reproductive behaviours, and imposing limits.
This is an example of human intervention, also called technologies/techniques.
Without these human inventions the complex systems we are living in would not be possible.
To contradict human nature man invents and imposes rules of conduct that force the individual, under penalty of law, to self-restrict his natural drives.
The costs are now imposed upon the individual by the collective.
Man can go so far as to construct rules that invert, completely contradict, human behaviour, or organic behaviour in general.
The standard is a contrived idea(l) with specific goals. It is a method of social engineering - eugenics.
This may produce neurosis in individuals....described, appropriately, by Freud, a member of a moral system with strict in-group rules that contradict human nature.
Mosaic laws, the Ten Commandment, are such man-made social rules, imposed upon members of the in-group, to bring about a desired outcome.

The severity of human impositions upon nature exposes the severity to which the rules come in conflict with natural inclinations - a difference between a man-made meme, and an evolved gene.
Nihilistic memes are those that completely contradict genetics inclinations, attempting to cultivate a new kind of species, based on an idea(l)...an objective that has been idealized.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Tue Apr 10, 2018 12:55 pm

The fundamental grounding of Nihilistic psychosis and its either/or dichotomies, its binary 'reasoning' is that it hides behind the pretence of dualism, an absolute; its binary logic masks a singularity.
It pretends to be seeking when it has already presupposed a solution within which you must choose. It is hypocritical.
It takes the form of a presumption that asks a question that implies the same answer.

If god did not create the world then....man must be the creator.
If not an external consciousness then an internal one.
In both cases the world is a product of a consciousness....it is, in other words, subjective.
If not god's subjectivity, which would be, for us mere mortals, an objective absolute truth, then it must be a creation of each and every mind separately, or in communion. The either/or question is a lie, pretending to be seeking truth. It has already decided, for no reason at all, that the world was created and that the creating force was wilful, was conscious, was rational.

In all cases the world is a conscious construct, therefore how we interpret and behave towards it is either a command, by an external consciousness, or it is imposed by an earthly consciousness.
In the former case there is no choice, or the choice of heaven or hell is a non-choice; in the latter the choice is between the will of the many, or the will of the one, which implies inequality, and resolves it by using quantity over quality as the determining factor.
But this is contrary to natural selection, because the entire premise is framed around a presumption that is declarative and delusional - an artifice.
It has already assumed that world, and everything that exists in it, is a product of a mind.

The world was not created and therefore requires no creator, and so conciseness is not a prerequisite to explain its existence.
Rather is is the reverse which is the more likely case....the existence of consciousness requires the preexistence of world.
This slight modification makes all the difference.
It separates Nihilism from Realism and Abrahamic spirituality from all other forms of traditional spirituality, named Pagan to degrade them.

The either/or premises, as nihilists present it, is hypocritical. A ploy.
No matter how you respond to it, once you've accepted their starting premises, which they cannot prove, nor even rationalize, then you are lead along self-consistent, self-referential reasoning that conclude in prescribed answers.
This is the Nihilistic paradigm.
The false dichotomy of pure Nihilism, and positive Nihilism...the dual poles in the bipolar psychosis of this very infectious mental dis-ease.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Tue Apr 10, 2018 7:40 pm

The good thing about perceiving the real is that you do not need to prove it. It is its own reward and to deny it is its own penalty.
The, imbecile, of course will blame all costs on someone else, condemning himself to the same errors, and in a perpetual cycle.

The bad thing is the imbeciles are more numerous and they will drag the world down with them, before they cull themselves to the point where they no longer matter.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:51 am

When you make the symbols/word the fabric of your internal universe you become a 'god' manipulating your creation.
Your words can be defined and redefined, to accommodate your desired outcomes.
You can justify your every intervention because you answer to nobody but your own 'logic' or perhaps you only discipline yourself to the linguistic application of another mind or school of thought.
In the latter case you become part of a world-creating in-group, a clan.
The manipulation of words, within the contexts of a shared internal world, becomes a badge of honour.
Fabricating and justifying concepts within these premises take for granted indicates each participants place in the hierarchy.
Like painters who compete over who can manipulate colour and form within the prescriptive contexts of a shared style, with very particular basic principles allowing a broad expanse of creativity.

On a simplistic level we see this in such alternate realities as Marvel and DC comics, but also in a variety of alternative 'universes' like Star Trek, Star Wars, Mad Max, Lord of the Rings.
All these 'universes' are linguistically based and have common grounds with the experienced world, using reality to fabricate a more 'realistic' alternate reality, but then adding their own distinctive 'self-evident' truths to distinguish themselves from all other fantasies as well as from reality proper.
All these alternate universes are self-consistent, loyal to their own 'logic', and some are quite beautiful.
The mind is pulled into them, made to suspend reason, and surrender to alternate possibilities/probabilities.
What is impossible in reality can be probable in these alternative worlds.
This is their power of seduction.
The participant wants to be seduced, because the alternate world promises more of what he desires.
What is denied to him in reality, can be easily accessible in the 'reality' he immerses himself in his own mind - esoterically.

Words lose their meanings and are given new ones.
A specialized lingo evolves to represent this break from experienced reality.
The participants now inhabit an alternate reality, one using the other to validate this choice. they communicate using jargon only they can understand, separating themselves from others who are not part of their alternate world.
Semiotics are the noetic boundaries separating their shared alternate reality, form reality itself.
The boundary for those excluded is a fissure, a conceptual rift, requiring a leap of faith to cross.
It is most often pleasing, because it is entirely noetic and so it can be dealt with in the mind, using words, feelings, emotions, the will.
It can be exited making it less severe, more malleable, more forgiving, and so not as threatening as a world where every choice has consequences the individual cannot just justify away, or linguistically evade.

Philosophy is increasingly becoming such an enterprise of fabricating alternative realities, using the fundamental tool of philosophy which is language.
By detaching language from a world that is stringent, and indifferent to human desires and needs, the user can redefine, reevaluate, recreate, not only world but all those who have commented on it, through the ages.
Texts can be reinterpreted and understood in ways that can be assimilated not an alternate world.
Those who wish to dismiss segments of the real world they are particularly threatened by can use this system to dismiss language, either altogether or selectively.
Words can be synthesized, redefined, given new meanings, and all this can easily be justified if there's a will and enough emotion to fuel it.

When world is relentless and limiting, unyielding to human whims, but forcing man to adapt to it, this method is the inverse.
The only challenge is to make it believable, to remain true to the basic tenets that distinguish it and make it pleasing to specific kinds of psychologies, in other words to remain self-consistent, permitting the production of a alternate history, a new continuity.
Words, like paints, can be easier to mix, and manipulate, than the world they were supposed to represent.
Marble is easier to chisel into a desirable form than one's own body.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Sat Apr 14, 2018 7:39 am

To discern what comes naturally to man, what is innate, and what is imposed upon him, you have to ask yourself:If there were no laws, no way to communally impose the rules, would they persist?
If there were no social safety net, would the behaviour survive for long?

Behaviours that would continue though there is no institutional law no collective rule to impose them, are natural.
Behaviours that would not survive more than a generation because there are no social safety nets there to mitigate between individual and cost, are artificially maintained.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Sat Apr 14, 2018 8:17 am

Nietzsche wrote:
With all great deceivers there is a noteworthy occurrence to which they owe their power. In the actual act of deception... they are overcome by belief in themselves. It is this which then speaks so miraculously and compellingly to those who surround them.


Nietzsche wrote:
For why has the advent of nihilism become necessary? Because the values we have had hitherto thus draw their final consequence; because nihilism represents the ultimate logical conclusion of our great values and ideals —because we must experience nihilism before we can find out what value these “values” really had.

Nietzsche wrote:
...Let us face facts: the people have triumphed – or the slaves, the mob, the herd, whatever you wish to call them – and if the Jews brought it about, then no nation ever had a more universal mission on earth. The lords are a thing of the past, and the ethics of the common man is completely triumphant. I don't deny that this triumph might be looked upon as a kind of blood poisoning, since it has resulted in a mingling of the races, but there can be no doubt that the intoxication has succeeded. The 'redemption' of the human race (from the lords, that is) is well under way; everything is rapidly becoming Judaized, or Christianized, or mob-ized – the word makes no difference.... -[The Birth of Tragedy and The Genealogy of Morals]

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Sat Apr 14, 2018 11:01 am

With his Will to Power Nietzsche takes the position of the Platonic charioteer, describing the reigns (will) connecting to the pathos of the steeds, describing them as a singular unity of power.
In so doing he leaves the reigns in a subjective limbo, where they can be attached to 'reason', or left to levitate in space/time, allowing for the 'will' to be connected to a present reason, or to a beyond, an external reason.
The will is left to be pulled behind the power of the passions, so that anything and nothing can take hold of them.
The image of being carried forth by momentum, leaving the mind to place behind it whatever it wished.
It can only imagine because it cannot turn back and see. It is always facing forward - linear time.

He really had nothing new to say about existence, but approached the subject from the perspective of an organism, commenting on the relationship of life with world.  
His insights were psychological, alluding to what he never spoke of.
Power is placed in the driver's seat, pulling behind it 'will', desperately trying to direct this rational/irrational force.
The Platonic triad implodes into a duality, with the third simply alluding to an uncertain connection - a towards.
'Will' moving 'to' take control, towards the momentum, 'power'.  
The image shifts towards the steeds, leaving the chariot vacant; with no specific rider.
Passions become the dominant part of the triad.
The movement towards, represented by 'to', has yet to find control. When it does the vacancy will be filled.
Will it be man's reason, or man's idealized self, god, that will grab hold of the reigns, be master of man's will.
The image places the 'will' in the place of Plato's charioteer, representing reason.
'Will' as vague desire to take hold of what is pulling him onward. Will that has no reason.
The presence of need/desire is implied by 'will' because one will's what one does not possess.
This embraces the concept of need/desire as the only thing certain. True, or absolute, possession being impossible.
One can only strive towards the ideal, never acquire it.
This insinuation is one of accepting Schopenhauer's suffering as the only certainty, as an indispensable part of existing.
Suffering never ends, one only approaches its end - diminishes it, grows strong enough to endure it.
The black and white stallions, representing the ruly and the unruly passions, pull the will, which is struggling to direct them, to control them.
But to grab hold of them one must draw them closer.
One gets the impression that they may be in the charioteer's place, the 'will' being pushed and pulled by them.
The movement towards control, represented by the 'to', will determine who holds the reigns, who becomes the charioteer.
The insinuation is that the momentum is will-less, blind power, and life is the 'to' - emerging to take hold of the momentum.
Life is this taking hold of the unending power
of momentum. Spilling forth.
This is the difference between animate and inanimate matter/energy - patterned and non-patterned vibrations.
The blind force of momentum is the power, the energy of existence. Existence being dynamic, (inter)active.
Life comes in conflict with this momentum when it seeks to take hold of it and direct it. The direction it takes determines who fills the charioteer's place.

Life is different from non-life in that it has memory.
We now see that the stallions are placed around and behind the 'will', taking hold of themselves, with the benefit of experience.  
The passions convert, are transfigured, into reason when they have circled back to take hold of themselves - iteration.
Reason is the trans-morphed, by memory, passions - charioteer is the transformation, and unity of the stallions within experience.
Charioteer becomes a synthesis of the black/white stallions. No longer 'blind' but with sight - the insight of experience.

The metaphor becomes a continuum, connecting the past (memory), via the present (appearance), with future (order/random).
The past (memory/experience) is taken hold of in the present (will) to direct the ruly (ordered) an the unruly (chaotic) coming future.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Sat Apr 14, 2018 6:34 pm

The quickest way to settle moral dilemmas is to make sure that the actor pays the full cost of his own action, and receives the full benefits.
No intervening parent, no institution, no state, no technological aid.
Back to basics, means return to natural selection.

Each individual must accept the full consequences of his judgments, and the actions these leads to, the choices made.

The problem with moderns is that they were born and raised in sheltered, ordered, environments.
When they speak of 'world' they mean this manmade world.
There is no philosophical debate when your life is on the line. There is no appeal to the crowd, no 'rights'.
There is cause and effect.
Every individual, using his own subjective judgments, evaluates the situation, in relation to a goal.
He then puts a plan into play where he expects to attain the goal.
The correctness of his judgments is determined by his success.
The costs and the benefits.

This is how evolution works. it is how judgment evolved. Trial and error.
Billions of organisms perished, the ones who had made good judgments survived.
These passed no their genes.

Today we live in a protective cocoon, we call a society.
The system protects stupidity from itself. it does so because stupidity is easier to control.
But this sheltering has side-effects, like all farmers know who raise cows in protective barns. The herd weakens, over time.
This means the farmer, the institution have to increase their interventionism....and the entire thing snowballs until the system implodes.

It's like intervening medically to heal. The organism becomes sued to the medication. It fails to develop an immune system.
The diseases are multiple so the doctor has to up his dosage because the patient can no longer produce its own autoimmune system.
It is completely vulnerable to viruses, to bacteria its body cannot fight off.
If the doctor fails to develop better drugs to fight of infections the patient dies.

Likewise, stupidity increases when it is protected, just as muscles atrophy when they are not strained. .

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Sat Apr 14, 2018 6:46 pm

In nature moral behaviour evolves not by some centralized institution imposing themselves upon the members of a group.
No god, and no one powerful individual.

For example, there's no rule against having sex with your daughter or son...but if you do the risk is that the offspring will be born defective.
There's no rule against murdering someone in your own tribe, but if you do, often enough, there will be repercussions from those who fear that your blood-thirst will target them next.
These rules evolved over thousands of years of evolution.
Then man entered the scene ti impose his own addendum, like the Ten commandments. that was the first step towards a conflict between memes and genes.
I should say it was the most profound step, because the monogamous rule is one that had developed long before Abrahamism came into the scene.
The rules governing male and female natural sexual behaviour were the first to develop, because without them no stable group could evolve beyond a certain level of complexity.
this was the primary moral law man invented to impose a balance.
As we can see it has failed to be fully realized.
Even in cultures where adultery is punished by death, it persists.
Not even a meme that uses the threat of death can curb the natural genetic disposition to fornicate with the superior, or to use sex as a bonding alliance builder.
It is so ingrained in human nature that after thousands of years of memes that force repression it has not changed.


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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Sat Apr 14, 2018 6:51 pm

But even if there is a man-made sheltering system that has become as sophisticated as Modern society....the fact remains that your subjective judgment will suffer the consequences equal to the degree of its error....or the degree to which your subjective opinion is not in harmony with the given objective world, which is dynamic, determines the degree and quality of the costs/benefits.

It is true, that the current system is so effective in its sheltering that it has produces imbeciles, like the social warrior of the cultural Marxist movement. Individuals so degraded, and delusional, and desperate that they actually believe they are the equal to everyone and anyone else.  
But they intuitively know they are lying to themselves....and so they insist that they be continuously validated, and the demand that there be a system present to protect them from their own stupidity.
They demand that the system acts like a parent, so that they can remain children.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:31 am

Philosophy does not tell each individual what to do, or how to live.
It described the environment, the world, including the types of life, and psychologies that can be found in world, and it describes and analyzes objectives, clarifying which ones are realistic and which ones are idealistic, which ones produce this kind of individual and which one another.

Only psychology can study the individual, his particular traits and objectives and give him a plan of action.
Philosophy deals in generalities.
It lays out the conditions, the circumstances to be navigated and the destination, if it is attainable or fantastic and forever unattainable.
It is the individual himself to take this information, judge it in relation to himself, and then act accordingly.

There cannot be one solution fits all, because what may succeed for one individual, with particular levels in all the organic traits, will fail in another who has a different combination.
Philosophy describes the conditions, the environment, the circumstances of world, so that the individual can then judge himself in relation to them.
It describes man, not 'a man'.
It's biggest contribution is the analysis of objectives, relative to world, determining their validity; it judges ideals, and what kind of human the advance towards them these ideals produce.

So it evaluates how a meme, as objective, as ideal, adjusts genes - the evolved species with individuals that are distinguished by the degrees these traits can be developed (potential) and have been developed.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:01 am

Once the mind becomes accustomed to pain/suffering, it attains a new level of lucidity.
The pain serves to focus it on what matters, what is of importance, and away from the trivial and the useless.
Pain reminds it of mortality, giving it a sense of urgency.
It has a new appreciation of time and its passing.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Mon Apr 16, 2018 5:42 pm

The idea that we have rights but no responsibilities is rooted in the delusion that you can unload the responsibilities upon another, or the abstract concept of a group, leaving you with only rights.

It's the sharing of the costs allowing the individual to become as thoughtless and careless, and stupid, as it wishes.
It takes it for granted that it deserves life, has a right to freedom and the pursuit of happiness because it has divided the price for these privileges upon a group, within which it places itself.
It segments and shares the costs, equalizing all members, no matter their qualities and inherited potentials, accepting a small share.
Society, for such a imbecile, is what it unloads its identity upon, immersing its inferiority in a community, and then accepting mediocrity as a step up from its true quality.
For it the superior of mind and of body ought to take on some or most of the burden of its weakness.

The reasoning is always emotional, because at some point the group stopped being a homogeneous one where the inferior and the superior shares genes and memes.
The Modern deals with heterogeneity, calling it an advantage, by interpreting the group in a universal way, or by converting it to a pure ideal, with no reference to the real world.
The group's core is the lowest-common-denominator, which can be something as vague as 'love' or as base as humanity.
The use of logos becomes the identifier.
But for some it becomes less than that, to include the retarded and the damaged or those born with defects.
Though they dismiss appearance, in all other cases, in this one it uses appearance, the traits of being human, to construct an imagined uniform idea, explaining all discrepancies in potentials as social constructs.
Social constructs, the subjective, can be 'corrected', it can be 'healed' the individual wit 'proper 'upbringing, education, training, can become the same as anyone else.
This is the underlying myth.
A myth that directly contradicts what we know of natural selection and evolution theory.

The human, because it can speak, is now excluded from natural selection.
That it can mimic, pretend, learn by parroting, means that Evolution has ceased to apply to humans. They can now be trained to go against their genetic inclinations. They can be brainwashed, socially engineered, which now is not a 'bad' thing, it is a moral eugenics.
In theory man can be trained to become attracted to obesity, to stupidity; he can be taught to eat feces, to think of the ugly as being beautiful, the ill of being healthy, the idiot of being a genius.
Enough proper training and you can shape man into anything, in his demented theory.

Christians also believed in this, but gave the process other terms.
Marxists also believed in this and failed, just as Abrahamism failed to produce the pious ideal man.
Christians had to invent him and place him in the past where nobody could validate directly, but only through hearsay.
Every time they fail these naive demented spirit blame others. Not themselves.
Even for their own failings they have excuses. The devil, evil people, some accept the failing as a product of their weakness and punish themselves for it.
They never question the ideal.
Marxists massacred millions just to avoid doubting the theory.
Every time they fail they reinvent themselves, and start over....this time, convinced, that it will be successful, that they have made the corrections, and the adjustments, and success is certain.
Again....all is subjective, so the subject is to blame.
There is no objective world where they can judge the subjective and see how it is wrong in relation to it.
It's always some mind that is standing in the way of Utopia, of Paradise.
God, or some evil other, or self.
The idea is never in question.
It is perfect, in the mind. They need to compare it with other minds, or an other omniscient mind, a universal consciousness.
It has to be a conscious, rational mind that can speak - has logos - because then it can be pleaded with, prayed to, reasoned with.
Something can be done about all this need/suffering.

This is the key.
A desire to end need/suffering.
The possibility that need/suffering IS the experience of existing, does not cross their mind, and if it does they quickly dismiss it and rationalize it away.
They have to blame something rational, wilful.
Without it what's left?
Responsibility for themselves and their own. Uncertainty, approximation, risks, false idols, failed judgments, blind chaos.
No that is too terrifying to consider.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Mon Apr 16, 2018 5:52 pm

I don't particularly like Molyneux but he does manage to get some interesting guests from a variety of places.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Fri Apr 20, 2018 4:09 pm

The cosmos is changing, is dynamic, but not at a rate where you would need to change your ontological positrons every thousand years.
The only thing that is changing at a fast rate is how humans relate to world and to one another - to life.
Mainly because of advancement in techniques/technologies which are extensions of biological processes.
This is about socioeconomic, morality, spirituality, politics and ideology - memes.
Memes can be warped to accommodate any objective, so it all becomes a matter of manipulation, conviction, exploitation.
The issue then becomes the absence of a pragmatic, a tangible effect - a benefit.
the charlatan can try to trigger effects using placebos, or psychological manipulation producing a psychosomatic effect.
But even this is short-term.
Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence.
Abrahamism dealt with this by promising an effect after death, projecting the benefit in some future, beyond, or hidden occult, beneath, leaving only the costs to be paid and the suffering to be endured.
It was an ingenious ruse.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Mon Apr 23, 2018 4:34 pm

Doric Linguistic Asceticism
Toxic residue can be controlled by the careful selection of nutrients, and their quantities.
Ionian superfluity has now flooded the market with unnecessary noise. A man has to shout to hear himself, and scream, like a madman, to be heard.  
Ochlagogia leads to ochlokratia.
A drop of water does not suffice; a deluge drowns.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:06 pm

The most convincing lies are based on a morsel of truth.
The most appealing truths are served on a platter of lies.
The ability to discriminate presentation from value, is accompanied by the ability to perceive quality in quantity.
A nugget of gold in a river of mud.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Tue Apr 24, 2018 9:35 am

Distressed and dissatisfied by what he experiences, the desperate man seeks relief in the yet to be experienced - furthering his quest in what could never be experienced without first being presumed; the seeing man blinds himself, having lost confidence in sight, and the healthy man makes himself ill, unwilling to pay the price for ephemeral health.
In the occult twilight, is where the lost soul seeks paths out if its predicament; in peripheral awareness, where light gives way to shadows, it pulls from mind what it needs, but the world denies.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Tue Apr 24, 2018 3:58 pm

The dogma of enforcing 'parity in outcome' has shaped generations with the pleasing delusion that when opportunities are equalized the outcome is always the same. The democratic ‘one man one vote’ has cultivated the idealistic impression that all votes are the product of the same quality of judgment.
This necessitates a sophisticated method of controlling the masses that takes this delusion into consideration, and incorporates it into its domestication techniques.
The Ten Commandments should be included in this complexity of practiced techniques.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Tue Apr 24, 2018 6:23 pm

A child develops contradicting emotions for its parents.
On the one hand they provide and protect, and on the other they restrict and discipline.
Above all they care.
The child intuitively knows that they stand between it and something far worse, and despises itself for needing them to continue to do just that.
The same is true for modern man.
He knows that his 'rights' and privileges, he now takes for granted, are the product of the very thing that forces him to do things he does not enjoy.
He gradually forgets or, having enjoyed this reciprocity he demands that the sense of equality is a cost-free benefit all should enjoy, because all have earned the 'right' to forget that what stands in he way of their idealized equality and a rude awakening is the state itself.
The state fills in the void god left behind.
It can now be blamed for all human suffering, and disparities, but most importantly it can now be creator of human nature.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Sat Apr 28, 2018 6:48 pm

When you cannot excel using reason, or rationalism does not offer you the coping mechanisms you need, then you irrationally turn to unreasoning, discovering there materials more pliable to passion's heat.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Sun Apr 29, 2018 7:14 am

The danger of Art for the Layman
Plato realized the danger art posed to the average masses, in relation to the city-state's interests.
We see it in modern worshipping of movie actors.
The actor is a persona (private self) playing a character (public face) which are often in conflict, and this character is playing fictitious characters in movies, compounding the stratification of pretenses.
Pretense engulfed in pretenses - cultivating an artificial and malleable image. An image that is marketable - brand-name.
For the audience these concepts are confused.
Distance adds to the mystique, as the actor is never experienced first-hand, in all his reality, but is perceived at a distance through a technological medium.
The act is confused for the actor who is himself an act - masked face wearing masks.
In this dynamic the character is taken literally, and often the characters portrayed in movies are known to be pretenses; the audeince watching the movie knows the actor is acting, pretending.
But not always.  
For many the movie portrayal is literally believed, just as are the events depicted on the screen.
A few break through the screen pretenses to accept the act behind the acting as 'genuine'.
Layers of lies challenging the mind to discover the core, the pure identity.

In pagan religions this is the icon representing the god who is, itself, a representation of nature - idolatry.
The laymen believes the idol represents the god who is literally believed in; a few, the simpler ones, believe the idol is the essence of the god via a medium, like the stone or marble used to sculpt the idol of the god.
In Christianity a painting of a saint is believed to produce miracles - the saint's 'essence' is manifest in the iconography, which is himself a pretence, representing god, which is also a representation of a concept.

The confusion is the result of the multiplicity of interpretations involved in the process.
World stimulates mind which simplifies it as abstraction, which is then externalized, via a medium, as representation.

Language, being art, also produces this mystical effect.
The word representing the noumenon, is known to be a representation, and the abstraction becomes literal, but a few being simpler and easier to confuse actually believe that even the word is a manifestation of the essence of the abstraction.
For instance, the word 'power' becomes more than a representation of the concept/idea of 'power' - it becomes a manifestation of the essence of the concept....the word 'power' has power for the average mind.
He feels it when the symbol triggers the sense of empowerment, or anxiety inside of him. This triggering, the layman believes is evidence that the word is the essence of the concept - the word has magical power.  
This is accentuated when a mitigating mystical symbol is used to distance the word from the abstraction.
The word 'power' is replaced by a mystifying symbol representing it.
This distancing adds to the effect, or the confusion between representation, of a representation of the representative, just as the distance of the actor from the audience adds to his mystique, contributing to his idolization as a literal embodiment of the roles he pretends to be, which are added to his social pretense - the idol representing the god who is himself a representation of nature, or, as in the case of Abrahamism, he is a noetic construct that inverts the experienced world.

For the layman art produces the necessary confusion for the magic to occur - psychosomatic placebo effect.
Simplification/Generalizations is used to reduce intricacy to a comprehensible, for the average mind, level. The accumulated wisdom of a people, presented as simple narratives, stories, is believed in literally, and the symbols/icons used to represent this liberality become the embodiment of its essence - idolatry.
This becomes dangerous because the masses can be manipulated by those who exploit this confusion for their own ends, which may be contrary to the group's interests.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Tue May 01, 2018 7:02 am

In ancient times it was only the man who birthed offspring.
In Greek ‘γενο’, to birth, is the root for 'γενεα' generation, and 'γενος' race.
{Γενεσις} Genesis... god could only have been male.
Man is the memory (genetic) link in the chain that stretches into the past.
He was the flame of the hearth, the goddess, a female, kept burning as the 'heart of a home' – family.  
It may seem strange to us moderns but woman did not birth, according to the Greeks, she carried man's birthing towards maturity.
She was a means to an end.
The element of coercion, of trickery, reflect man's relationship with nature.
He is the agency that conspires with and against nature – and her agencies (woman).
Woman judges, appreciates, his performance giving herself to it if her decree is positive, turning away from it if her decree is negative.
It was man's imposition of his will upon nature that made civilization possible, placing woman on a pedestal, as pure idea, and stripping her of her power, unbalancing nature.
As ideal, all real women are but imperfect shadows in relation to it; stripped of power they become property to be owned.
An imbalance reflected clearly in female psychology.
He is, for her, the great benefactor, and the great imposter; she both admires and is grateful to him, and despises and secretly resents him.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Wed May 02, 2018 9:12 am

The so-called Me Too movement is another example of how females can be assimilated and used as memetic filtering agencies.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Wed May 02, 2018 12:04 pm

Passion is a multiplier of cultivated potential.
One is determined genetically, the other memetically.
Underlying potential is the past.
Underlying passion is need/desire, as the expression of the individual's potential in relation to the present.
Appearance is the past manifested as presence.
The relationship of past & present is what produces ambition.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Thu May 03, 2018 8:01 pm

Knowledge that is not paid with blood and pain, is never truly your own.
Like a child that you've not bled into your own life's essence, and not birthed with the wrenching suffering of separation is nothing more than the adopted bastard of your untested desires.
Only in this way is a thinker the father of his own thoughts, and the mother of his own insights.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Tue May 08, 2018 8:03 am

The divide between the mundane and the spiritual is the division between mind/body, from the perspective of mind.
Mind uses language to separates itself from the corporeal - freeing itself, in theory.

The body remains indifferent to the mind's ploys.
Through it the past imposes itself as presence. The world is, for the mind, a problem confronting its strategies - the body a constant re-minder, recalling what mind wants to forget.
Body needs; mind desires.
From the excess energies the body produces the mind hungers for release.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Wed May 09, 2018 10:51 am

Duality, or binary paradigm of nihilism.

Positive Nihilism = he believes he can create world by simply declaring it into existence, using words.
Then he justifies his declarations with more words - words referring to words.
Sometimes symbolizing abstractions in his own mind, most often referring to ideas existing in others mind - this last gives him the impression that he is dealing with the world outside his mind. Instead of his own mind he's submitted to another's mind that also provides him with justifications, and words referring to more words.
Linguistic Gordian knots. The more metaphors, synonyms, pretty words used, the more the illusion that something profound is being exposed about world, when it's all occurring in the mind of the participants.
Prose, poetics, metaphors all seduce the feminine minds, offering them the same absurdities using different symbols.
The prettier the words, the more convincing they become for a woman who wants to be swept away by passion; wants to give-in and surrender; wants to stop fighting, stop resisting.

Pure Nihilist = he believes his words can negate what threatens him. Even what is apparent, is perceived, can be dismissed with words.
Words used to negate, to refuse acquiescence, to deny agreement.

Both use words as though they are magical.
the first to usurp the observed and the second to deny it reality....as if world depends on their agreement and/or disagreement.
The emphasis is on the subjective....in the first case the objective is the creation of the subjective, in the second the objective is destroyed by the subjective.

The first fool is convinced that if he passionately believes, he wills, that he can project his idea as a correction or replacement of the observed, the experienced.
The second fool is convinced that if he passionately disbelieves, does not give consent, that he can negate the observed, the experienced.

Noumenon is placed before phenomena. Not as representation but as creator/destroyer.
This is part of Abrahamism.
The word ceases to be a representation of world, and the world becomes a representation of word - inversion.
This is the dis-ease in pragmatic terms.
No need to imagine it....we all know people who think exactly like that.
They are not figments of my imagination, theoretical entities....they are becoming a majority.

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