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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Satyrnalium - Page 32 EmptySun Jan 20, 2019 1:10 pm

Chaos is both life's liberator and the source of its greatest anxiety and suffering.
If not for randomness, existence would be totalitarian, and consciousness a masochism.

In between mental absolutes is where existence flows, undisturbed by them.

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Everything that emerges in nature can be called 'natural', whether this happens due to natural selection or some form of wilful selection.
Everything that emerges in reality can be called real, whether this be spontaneous or due to a motive.

But both how it emerges and how it is maintained, is what differentiates the fit from the unfit.

Paedophilia, homosexuality, necrophilia, incest, killing, rape, infanticide, madness, and genius all natural.
In nature the unfit are quickly eliminated or excluded from the gene pool...only a wilful intervention can preserve what cannot survive, and this intervention is what produces pollutants that accumulate and accumulate, as long as the intervention persists and insists on protecting them from themselves.
This cannot continue indefinitely.
The intervening will, for whatever reason it does so, cannot maintain itself within the by-products of its own interventions.
Nature always causes a 'reality check', sooner or later.

What applies for genetics, also applies for memetics, because the latter is but an extension of the former.

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In nature there si no debate over a value-judgement, or a perspective.
The outcome is sure and indisputable.

Only humans can shelter erroneous judgement and then share then, via language, propagating the error within large populations; using one another as a validation that they cannot find in reality.
This is solipsism on a massive scale...one that seems extroverted because one mind uses another mind for its self-referential validations.
This is used, by clever minds, as a form of mass mind-control - politics.
A weakness on a massive scale becomes the source of power for a few.

Even if some of the deluded ones intuit what is occurring they cannot risk breaking free from this group psychosis. They feel that without the group lie they cannot survive, or remain sane for long.
They place their own swell-being, above all other motives...which is why they succumbed to mass-solipsism to begin with.

So, it's typical to find the same characters migrating from Abrahamism  to Marxism and then to modernity, or post-modernism.

I call this 'inter-subjectivity'.
it is logical to assume that after generation of systemic sheltering mutations have accumulated to the point of 'no-return' and that most individuals will have found their own group of self-referential support, protecting them form the indifferent brutality of nature. None of them can endure reality, after so much sheltering and dependence.
Even though they may not be able to understand why, they sense that without this collective support they would not survive for long.
There is no way to talk sense with such individuals.
All you can do is exploit this, and manipulate this. Only a romantic idealist would consider correcting it - even if he could.
Changing them would contradict natural selection.
You can only allow this to take its course and meet what is inevitable - its reckoning.

The only issue with this is that, in a world with no frontiers, its reckoning will risk your own demise.
When trapped in a insane asylum the insanity will have an effect on you, whether you like it or not.
All you can do, really, is find ways to decrease this impact.
If there were an accessible frontier - like there may be in a few generations - then this mass insanity can be escaped, and survived.

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This is what happens when your ideology is so disconnected from reality that you become, effectively, retarded.
In the post-modernizing (nihilistic) west this level of idiocy is protected from reality but, more importantly, from itself.
You have the 'right' to be as moronic as you 'like' in the west, but when you exit its controlled boundaries you fuckin' face a 'reality check'.

This is a result of nihilistic either/or 'emoting'.
The Left assumes that the world is innately 'good' and benevolent, and humans are 'corrupted' to become 'evil' - the system being what corrupts their pristine pure innate goodness.
Straight out of Marxism and Abrahamism's dogmas.
This is naivete on a whole other level.
The Right assumes that the world that the world is innately 'evil' and cruel, and that humans are born 'evil, and then subdued by a system, with a particular ideal.
This can become paranoia on a whole other level.

The 'truth', as always, is somewhere in the middle, but of the two the 'right' is closest to experienced reality...is more right.
The left hemisphere is rational, the left emotional and prone to idealism.

An added advantage is that the 'right' tries to err on the side of caution, so paranoia may be self-limiting but it isn't as self-destructive as the romantic idealism of the Left.
But these examples are perfect.
They display, in real time, how nihilism creates idealisms that are suicidal if they are adhered to religiously.
The only reason Christianity, persists, is because it never practices what it preaches. It has developed, over the centuries, all kinds of excuses as to why it does not act in accordance to what it says - logos.

The best example would be their narrative on 'free-will', and how it spin-doctors a concept, or hypocritically defines it to justify why it is lying.
'Sin' would be impossible without it - a concept invented to impose total mind/body surrender, or punishment in the here or in the after.
The only reason Christians believe in absolute free-will, is not only to justify a one-God existence - based no this absolute - but also to justify the controlling mechanism of 'sinfulness'.
A non-choice choice - a fake choice, supported to impose shame and mass mind-control.

The ideal is perfect - absolutely so....and it continuously fails because humans are imperfect - sinners.
This is the perfect excuse, explaining why Christianity can never be realized. Failure is part of its mechanism; incorporated in its dogmatism.  
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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Satyrnalium - Page 32 EmptyMon Jan 21, 2019 11:32 am

When we begin from the bottom<>up, from nature, we do not begin from something imagined or socially constructed, or to remain stuck in the base.
We begin from what has been tried and tested, over thousands of years of evolution, as a starting premise that lies outside all social and cultural conventions.

Animals have to concept for theories and ideologies and morals, all they know is ingrained in them as instinct.
They do not doubt it nor do they debate it...but only apply it.
From these base, primal, principles we start building our structure - they are our foundation, not because we arbitrarily chose them but because they've succeeded, given that they persist, they survive, as organic life, without experts or politics.
Their success indicates that despite sophistication their simplicity has sufficed to produce tangible results.

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It is the mark of an animal to be directed by pleasure and the gratification of needs/desires.
A bull does not know why it fights another bull. It fights because it is compelled, genetically programmed. It has no understanding of genetics and passing on your genes and so on.
It does not know anything other than gratification, as the end in itself.

The same goes for humans on the level of an animal = manimals.

Higher men can surrender all future, certain and uncertain pleasures for the sake of an uncertain ideology.
Only man can placed something other than survival and gratification above all motives.
This is nobility, even when in the service of a wrong cause, or a lost war.
Some men fight in lost causes because they've placed the idea above their personal survival or above any gratification.  
This fact alone is what separates man from manimals.

Hedonists want to lose themselves in animal gratifications, making satisfaction an end in itself. They want to give-in to base animal nature, and not think about anything other than their personal satisfaction.
Typically female or emasculated men-children fall into this seductive trap; conveniently one finds in the other an untrustworthy, ephemeral ally.
As is the case with most females, and base men, they cannot be trusted for more than the span of their satisfaction.
They are tools to be used.
They cannot be changed, only manipulated and exploited.

See, how I envision this forum - and correct me if this is out of bounds - is as a mustering place to share insights, each to use to his personal advantage.
I'm not here to change the world, or change anyone's mind. I may have my preferences but my analysis and all my comments are not about changing a damn thing.
This is about self preparing and projecting, and becoming more efficient and effective, in whatever domain and ambition you choose to dedicate yourself to.

What separates men from animals is his ability to project, into the potential space/time future - based on precedent - his consciousness in order to pass judgment.
Logos, the spoken and written word, is a by-product of self-consciousness, itself a product of this ability to project self in space/time.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Satyrnalium - Page 32 EmptyMon Jan 28, 2019 11:26 am

Subject/Object

The skin (exoskeleton) is the appropriation of space/time. The organism envelopes a fluctuating part of spatial/temporal existence, denying it to all others.
But an organism is imperfect, not absolute, so this fluctuating boundary is porous and ephemeral. It must be reaffirmed, and extended (growth) with every birth.
This continuum is the 'self'.
'I', ego, refers to the lucid, conscious part of this continuum, because most of it is unconscious, automatic.
This sets up the mind/body dichotomy and subsequent dissonance between ideal/real, mind/body.
The source of Nihilism is, as I've said, rooted in emerging self-consciousness....the foundation of this alienation.
The concious - lucid - part of 'self' is what is mistaken as an external Will, directing the 'self'.
The ego is what has to be protected from self-awareness through many attitudes and the subsequent philosophies that are created for this task.
This is what 'Determinism' is about, the other side of the belief in an external Will, a one-god.
Both absolutes are mental constructs attempting to protect the ego from becoming aware of its essence, as 'self'.
Christians ascribe to this 'essence' a purifying mystification, projecting it outside the mind/body (organism) to preserve its theoretical 'purity' and absolute goodness.

The subjective/objective division is produced by the cellular membrane, evolving into skin and/or exoskeleton.
The subjective ordering cannot perceive itself without another. The other acts as a sounding board through which 'self' is discovered and evaluated. In the process of self-evaluation ego intervenes to hyper-inflate and/or hypo-deflate.
Self-Denial is a refusal to acknowledge what promises to be too hurtful to endure.
Another example of self-deceit - brain evolved to protect the organism from what can, potentially, cause it harm, and not to attain any higher level of understanding.
Another reason why only a few can actually be philosophers, and the majority can only pretend to be interested in reality and the self within it.

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Don't know if its the book I'm currently reading on Yockey, but it states the same thing.
Patton protested the slaughter and rape of Germans, after the war, according to Talmudic retribution.
He died in a 'car accident' I believe.

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Three-dimensional space is where the human mind is entrapped. Time is the fourth, indicating movement/momentum.
This corresponds to the triads, which is held to be divine: father/holy ghost/son, Mind/nervous system/Body; recently, Spengler reminded me of the historical triad: Ancient/Medieval/Modern.
Past/Present/Future; Nature/Nurture/Ideal; 0/Fractions/1 or 1/Fractions/0 - depending on your psychological approach: pessimism/optimism.
'Fractions' can also be called 'degrees' or 'fractals'...
Movement/Momentum can only be represented artistically, indirectly, as innuendo, as representational metaphor.
Determined/Active/Undetermined; Immutable-Precedent/Subjective-Interpretation/Ideal-Goal; Real/Interpretation/Ideal.
Whatever degree will is free, it can only be so in the dynamic middle portions. As precedent, choosing what will become. The middle is the dynamic present which is also called 'existence' and/or 'reality'.
Unknown-Immutable-Determined/Fluctuating-Mutable/Unknown-Immanent-Yet to be determined
The triad can be presented in many ways, all adhering to temporal sequences of causality: linear time. If not they attempt to negate causality = Nihilism.
Man is 'trapped' in three/four dimensional possibilities/probabilities, in a multi-dimensional cosmos, increasing/fragmenting in time.
Man is becoming, increasingly, alienated from his own existence, compensating for this with techniques/technologies, and deeper understanding = perceiving patterns in the patterns. But this also allows charlatans to sell mysticism, and false, toxic, pseudo-intellectual medicines, in the form of political ideologies, spiritual dogmas and occult philosophies – offering to 'heal' the rift; a cognitive rift made aware to a self-conscious becoming.


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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Satyrnalium - Page 32 EmptyThu Feb 07, 2019 11:42 am

Sidenote:
The 3E is also the symbol of the Pisces:
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Other than the fact that the 'nobody' behind Satyr is also Pisces, the other interesting thing is that Jesus is given the symbol of the fish, by Christians.
In the above image the fish are depicted turned inward, when they ought to be turned outward.
Like this:



Third letter in the Greek alphabet is....gamma. Gamma in the sexual hierarchy has specific characteristics.
also, in modern Greek the word ΓΑΜΜΑ...means fucking....γαμησου = fuck you.
The symbol is an open 8....not infinity as an enclosed whole, a perfect one, but an open-ended infinity.
an eight is 3E inverted.
All this is human psychology....only interesting within the context of human beings.

Why is Jesus - the messiah - a one?
He is Yin/Yang imploded into oneness....saviour from existence...he is absolute order, saving man from order/chaos flux.
Jesus, the Christian Messiah, is Yang, presenting himself as Yin.


The pretence of the Nihilist - positive Nihilism: self-abnegation, anti-nature, anti-life, pretending to be a 'positive': the noetic theoretical/ideological negating/contradicting the experienced real, the apparent.  
An absolute lie declaring itself a saving 'absolute truth'.
A noetic, rigid, certain, absolute 'lie' coming forth to, theoretically, save mankind from the phenomenal uncertain, imperfect, fluctuating 'truth'.

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When I say all this is only symbolically and psychologically significant to man, I mean it as 'man' representative of life's highest organism, or order having become aware of itself - self-awareness.
This has to do with the very nature of what life is: a segregation of a 'piece' of space/time - a fluctuating piece - in relation to otherness - creating the I/other dichotomy, or the self/world dichotomy.

A fragile, porous, membrane, evolving into an exoskeleton and a flexible skin,. is what separates an organism from the world - distinguishing it from it.
Self-Knowledge (Know Thyself) is the central core theme.
This is also the imperfect and porous divide between body/mind and physical/mental, or reality/ideology, or noumenon/phenomenon.
Only with this divide is consciousness possible, and freewill - to whatever degree.

Non-living patterns (ordering) and non-patterned (chaotic) energies follow the path-of-least-resistance, requiring no will, no choice, no consciousness: a simple dynamic power relationship governed by degree of harmony - attraction/repulsion.

When man interprets world as mankind he is presenting himself as the standard by which all life and non-life is to be measured. In fact there is no alternative, since nothing else can judge and become aware of itself within world.  
This, often, leads to an arrogance, where the organism becomes the world in itself, when in fact, an organism is an antithesis to world, a negation, a struggle against it.
Nihilism, as a cognitive dissonance, is a natural by-product of life, gradually becoming engrossed in itself - solipsism.
Solipsism is the root of narcissism/schizophrenia, and psychopathy/cynicism.
It's the apex of self-awareness defensibly turning inward to protect itself from a threatening indifferent, and uncertain, world in Flux.

The foundation of semiotics - language, mathematics, geometry - is this organic relationship with a fluctuating, indifferent, uncertain, world what is not only ordered but also random, setting up a love/hate relationship with existence.
Language is a representation of this attitude. In between subjectivity and objectivity is semiotics, expressing subjectitity's reaction to an objective, yet not static, not whole, not absolute, but dynamic fluctuating objective world.

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My contention is that what Christians refer to as spirit/soul is nothing more than the nervous system, and a lot of the confusion concerning free-will is based on the actions and automated reactions of the nervous system, perceived after-the-fact, as the determination of the body, the physical, made aware to the mind, as if some other were pulling the strings, or as if these reactions, expressed as choices, were inevitable.

The body, and what we interpret as matter/energy, is the past manifesting as presence, as the apparent - phenomenon, and it is the nervous system, including the brain, which automatically reacts to the present, perceived and appreciated, after a temporal/spatial lag, by what we call the mind.

Plants have no nervous system. Their reactions are local, on a cellular level, then cascading across the entire physical dimensions of its 'body'; it has no brain and so no mind to appreciate this after-the-fact. It is entirely reactive, reflecting life-less matter, in general. What differentiate plants form stones, for example, is that plants have stored memories - DNA - informing these reactions, whereas lifeless matter/energies, no matter what complex unities they arrange into, do not.  
Memory is the differentiating factor separating living order, from non-living order.
It's a very basic, primitive form of life, that cannot alter its reactions immediately, but must rely on trial and error over huge spans of time to adapt its reactions to changing environmental circumstances.
Higher organisms are an advancement from this.
Even the simplest life-form can immediately react to conditions that are not immediate - they can perceive, for example, what is probably going to affect it across spatial dimensions.
A further advancement adds time, as a dimension of momentum...so higher life-forms, such as man, can perceive what will probably affect him, not only across spatial dimensions, but across temporal dimension.
Man can use precedent - stored in memory - the physical, to build a probability of occurrences, that may or may not become immediate.
So, memory differentiates the living from the non-living, but also the inferior from the superior.

In this context Nihilism attempt to forget, eliminating entire or selective portions of memory, from participating in judgment - its a form of dumbing-down, or a self-induced retardation.

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Fundamental law of nature:
For every action there's an equal and opposite reaction.
As one approaches the absolute, the odds rise for producing the opposite.
A completion would necessitate absolute power, absolute energies, which presupposes itself - paradox.
We are approaching the non-existent, theoretical, because there are no absolutes.

In politics, totalitarianism produces anarchists, and anarchy produces totalitarians.
Nature abhors vacuums.

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It's a tightrope walk, across the abyss.
On the one side the young vigorous males, aching to unleash all their vigour and energies upon the world, and make it their own....and on the other the spent spirit of the comfortably invested and the already surrendered to fate.
Very few can display the balance requires to not succumb to gravity, one thinking it can defy it, and fly upward, and the other resisting the urge to submit to it and plummet down.

Few can surf these existential tides, both surf and competing surfers wanting to drown him in smugness and paper cuts, hoping the salt-water will take care of their need for vengeful suffering.

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We live in an age of data influx. Many youngsters today have been exposed to information that would have taken years in the past.
I've defined this as the emergence of the 'Google Genius'....a more analytical description is buried, somewhere in this Forum.
But it is exactly in these days of data inundation when stupidity is on the rise.....and one cannot help but repeat that knowledge is not understanding, otherwise a computer would be smarter than the average human.

So, despite many of you having seen it all, and read it all, I still doubt most of you understand anything.
I've become repetitive in my old age...as it is common for one that has more to look back to, nostalgically, than look forward to in anticipation.
After a certain point man has done enough to know he does not want to do it again.

In that stream of data floods, knowing many of you have seen it all and know it all, I venture to cast my little meandering nothing hook and bait, from the mind of a nobody that I am...
....wondering what new fish will jump into my bucket, and if I'll cook it and east it, or in a moment of weakness, will I choose to release it back into the waters, hoping I'll come back tomorrow and catch it again?

I'm given to believe that not even I can know, so I'll have to wait and see.

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It too Rome 1000 to rise and gradually decline.
We live in technologically accelerated times, so the US began its decline in the sixties, after 200+ years of ascent. This was a seminal decade, when baby boomers came of age and the 'parasite/virus symbiont' was raging uncontrollably - and has been ever since.
It took 200 years to rise, so we can estimate its decline to be around the same length of time.
2160, give or take a decade.
We're already seeing symptoms, making many nervous....some believing that now it's time to strike and bring the 'beast down'. But the 'beast', is ageing, and ill, not completely helpless, yet. The process of its implosion will take a while, but will be quick, by historical temporal contexts. 400 years from birth to death.
The parasite will abandon ship, as it sinks....typical of vermin. So, far it is desperately trying to keep it alive for a little longer.
China is the emerging SuperPower, but its Communist/Buddhist, relatively homogeneous population is relatively immune to the parasite's Modern variant, so I suspect it'll seek a new host to intestate elsewhere - perhaps in a rising Europe.
Virus's adapt to the host. I suspect the variant that infested the US will not work on China. It will have to evolve. Communism is already present, and that's an older version of the virus - perhaps outdated.

As US power declines the vacuum it leaves will be occupied by China, or one of the other ascending SuperStates, such as India, Russia...
Collapse will not be sudden.
Rome split in two, reflecting internal divisions. I suspect the US will fragment in at least two, before its end.
Perhaps one of the pieces, like Byzantium, will linger on for another 200 years.
But the US was never a genetically/memetically homogeneous entity - it was a meting-pot of multiplicities.
At first relatively of similar genetic stock, but increasingly becoming heterogeneous.
It managed to remain unified memetically - under the 'ideal' of 'liberty' - liberty from old-world social hierarchies, at first - Protestantism promoted liberty from the organized Churches of Rome/Byzantium; liberty through work - then liberty as an abstract idea, represented by money.
Money became the abstraction of the New world, New Age Messiah - promising a Paradise on earth: meaning 'liberty' from one's past.

The US still attracts those who are fleeing their past, and want to reinvent themselves - via money - into something 'new' and exciting - recycled, repacked and resold.

This is not the case with China. There tradition is its very essence.
Every SuperState affects the other SuperStates competing with it.
The US influenced all other peoples through its soft-power version of Empire.
Greed for escape through semiotics, and the gradual liberation from past, was its power over hearts and minds -promoted through Hollywood and pop-culture - or the culture-of-no-culture.
Messiah is reborn symbolically saving his followers; inspiring them to be reborn, like him, as idea.
Meme is the liberation of genes from their encoded memories - in theory, because in reality, in practice, this is never the case. To cover-up the error in judgment all participate in a lie, concerning its success.

This shapes a particular kind of psychology - attracting to it a particular kind of psychosis.

The US in in the tail-end of Baby-boomer ecstasy: love sex and rock'n'roll, a shadow of the French revolution's [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] - a decadent , post-modern version.
'Make love not war' we can hear the post-Abrahamic hippie reinvention of the same god.
Like Rome the US is fatigued, old. being slowly invaded by 'barbarians' who want to lead the empire, to its inevitable end.

Leaders reflect the people they lead - especially in seemingly Democratic systems.
The last four presidents were reflections of US decline: moral decline, intellectual decline, and currently psychological decline.
Narcissism is a defensive psychosis.
Sort of like a puffer-fish filling itself with water to appear larger, more intimidating.
Healthy self-love is magnanimous, generous, able to endure the sight of itself, taking full responsibility - even for another's deeds.
This degree of mad self-love hides insecurity. It compensates for vulnerability. An old man avoids admitting any youthful errors - he looks back and sees only positivity. He becomes nostalgia, rosy coloured glasses over his eyes, he can only recall the good. This gradual 'looking back' is a form of narcissism - introversion, self-reflection, introspection, isolationism.
More importantly the one 'mad in love with himself' can never adapt, grow, because he can do no wrong, or it is always others who have wronged him - old age is a return to a child-like innocence, only this time it's not based on the purifying power of ignorance but in denial and forgetfulness.
The potential for growth diminishes when there's no acknowledgement of responsibility, other than a few minor pretentious self-critiques. The mind returns to its usual routines, changing nothing...and so it repeats the same mistakes, resulting in the same outcomes....which he then calls inevitable - fate.
Fatalism is also a symptom of surrender.
American individuality - reflected in Dr. Peterson's teachings - cannot muster any organized resistance; surrendering to fate is admission of defeat, unable to recognize one's own culpability in anything - only stoically enduring.
The mind expresses its lack of trust in its own judgements through cynicism, or nihilistic denial of any other option. Another sign of low self-esteem is an obsession with external authorities...obsession being the mental equivalent of physical addictions: a coping mechanism that inadvertently admits that it can no longer cope, on its own; it has lost trust in its own strength, its own senses, its own judgements.
The external authority becomes its support - another version of god's omnipotence; the universe delivering a guiding message.
Beliefs instilled in psychology cannot be accused of being responsible for current circumstances, or of being a symptom of them.

Beliefs are pure, because they are noetic - theoretical. Who can blemish an idea that remains protected in the brain's womb?

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A good teacher/mentor is like a good father: he's someone who wants his students to free themselves from his authority and to engage the world independently.
This, of course, presupposes that what he has to teach is objective and not entirely subjective.

A good student is the one who gradually becomes independent from his or her teacher, if what he has been taught is objective and not subjective or some oculist obscurantism.
Objective knowledge is independent from the minds knowing it, and understanding the meanings, whereas subjective knowledge is, like Nihilism, entirely dependent on minds that share a belief because outside these minds the knowledge is useless and, often, nonsense.

The student who has understood the teacher's lessons, and not simply knows it, will become free from the manner in which it has been transferred to him.
Understanding can express knowledge in multiple ways, never veering too far from the essence of the knowledge, which is found in understanding.
The student that has learned but not entirely understood, will remain as true to the language used to transfer the knowledge as possible. His dependence on the source made clear by how he cannot escape the teacher's semiotic shadow.
Again, if and when the knowledge being transferred is objective, that is independent from both teacher and student - not requiring acknowledgement nor agreement.

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Marxism begins from where Abrahamism ends.
Abrahamism begins with a de facto negative, in relation to the absolute positive (god).
It then splinters into three versions, two of which find 'salvation' cleansing man of his 'innate sinfulness', his 'inherent' negativity'; the third denying salvation in the otherworldly, strives to attain it in the earthly plain, substituting the 'beyond' with the 'future', the immanent.

Marxism begins with 'humanity' already absolved of its 'negativity - cleansed and purified, by the sacrifice of the Messiah, or in relation to a coming, rational, future.
Humanity is deified, or sanctified...converted from 'negative' to 'positive'.
In Marxism man is born 'innocent' and not 'guilty' as he is 'born in Christianity.
In the latter man must 'earn' his 'purification, if he abides by the rules of the absolute one god; in the former there's no need for an absolute one-god because humanity is born a clean-slate, or pure and innocent, and must maintain its 'innocence' within a 'evil, corrupting' world. So, in Marxism the payment is one of preservation, whereas in Christianity it is one of eternal survival.

Marxism fails because its naive conception of humanity fails to interpret the cause of its failure to deal with reality, resorting to accusations against its own comrades, or against some 'evil' otherness called a 'capitalist.
Christianity fails because its promise a 'reward after death' - Pascal Wager - cannot compensate for the immediate possible rewards in life - hedonism erases its impact on the psyche.

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Every (inter)action is an event, the organism can perceive, after-the-fact, as a cause.
Cause is not other than effect. Cause(s) are past made present.
The sum of all past (causality), manifesting as presence, is interpreted by conscious organisms as 'appearance'.
The sum of all past (causality), manifesting as presence - in the context of individual organism - is also called 'self'.
The cocnept of 'self' can be ambiguously divided in two. One preceding the synthesis of causalities that produce a new life, and those proceeding this synthesis, converting causality into experience.
'Ego' is the 'self' mad conscious. When it becomes self-conscious, ego noetically 'separates' from the 'chain of causality'.
This triggers the defensive (re)action of nihilism, that strives to preserve and increase the distance of separation, tending towards the ideal of absolute detachment.
Another way to conceptualize this process is as 'detachment' of mind from body, where mind is noetic projection towards an unknown 'future' and the 'body' is the presence of 'past'.

Existence is dynamic (inter)activity = energy. It is experienced as movement/momentum.
Ego is the organism focusing towards a direction, where 'space' means possibility, direction indicates an increase of possibilities, towards one probability, and a decease of possibilities in every other.
We call this focus 'will', measured by how effective it is and by the organic energies available to it.

By 'freedom' we indicate the 'direction' chosen, a any moment in space/time.
This 'choice' is an event in a causal chain.
Only 'life' can choose, therefore 'will' implies organism.

Lifeless energies simply and continuously follow a path-of-least-resistance.
Each (inter)action, adjusting this relationship of resistance and momentum, is what we experience as linear time.

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The biggest lesson I've learned over the years of dealing with degenerates is their incapacity to offer more than a certain amount of attention. Everything over that is lost in translation.
ADSD is, like autism and narcissism institutionally nurtured.
Decades of MTV snippets has trained their mind to not be interested in anything that does not trigger their attention within the span of 5-10 minutes.
cRAP trains them to project into the nonsense whatever the listener wants to hear - the word associating words are meant to insinuate more than is present, so as to allow the listener freedom to project their won desires into the word-vomit....like seeing different shaped in the clouds.
That's the founding principle of fArt, in all areas....from painting to sculpting to music and to philosophy.
The application of inter-subjectivity.
There is no 'objective world' as there is no objective way to understanding a piece of fArt.It is whatever you subjectively wish there to be.
The 'work' has to be vague and obscure enough to permit any and every interpretation....not rigid, preventing free-associations.

When dealing with Moderns I've learned not to waste my time.
They want catch phrases', snippet, little sound-bites...otherwise don't bother. They'll cynically dismiss everything else...so they'll find a phrase to encapsulate the ideas they want to dismiss, returning to their subjectively established comfort zone.
Best way to make them go away other than to insult them, is to post huge walls of text.
They'll skim, and no matter how rational and well argued a position is they'll find some snippet to use so as to dismiss it all.
They usually defer and refer to some famous icon/idol, use a quote, that supposedly incapacitates their 'superior' positions, and then smugly dismiss the rest.
They're own positions are a hodgepodge quilt of references, pretending to be their own, when its a regurgitation, using different semiology, of someone they've adopted as their iconic front-man.
Females hide behind a male....when they're declaring themselves strong and independent. .

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*The foundations of what we call Modern 'western' civilization is the Bible (Abrahamism) and Plato (selected portions of Hellenism). There we find the antagonism between Catholicism and Judaism, because the Jews rejected Platonism, as it was too antithetical to their own brand of nihilism, which is distinctly anti-Hellenic.
Catholicism embraces segments of Hellenism and integrates it into its version of Abrahamic nihilism.
The antagonism between Protestantism and Catholicism is rooted here, ergo the alliance, Heisman describes, between Protestant Anglo-Saxon tribes and the Jewish Semitic tribes.

*The 'Gestalt', of a 'bird' is not only due to the symmetry of its organ relationships but the 'sacrifice' to chaos its functionality necessitates. the synergy of the relationships of organ functions manifests in the behavioural distinctiveness of a bird. Slight modifications in these relationships - adjusting the degrees - determines the different kinds of birds.

*The gene/meme relationship establishes the utility, the application, of a table within a socio-economic context - within a man-made environment.
The material a table is made of - wood for example - is modified by humans for a particular function. The wood, coming from a tree, is integrated into man-made contexts....just as gender is sexual specialized roles applied within human contexts.

*Technologies/Techniques are extension of pre-existing, naturally evolved processes. Thy are the inconspicuous process made conspicuous - the internal externalized. this externalization follows the same route as the fabrication of abstractions - the exoteric made esoteric - converting a phenomenon into a noumenon.
Technologies, like art - functional art - are the externalization of man's understanding of internal and external processes - the external internalized into noumenon (abstraction, idea) before they are returned to the outside, via a different medium.

*Cause is not independent from effect. It IS the effect. the sum of causes manifest as an effect that is then interpreted, by a conscious living organism, as appearance.
Causality implies momentum/movement, which is another way of saying existence.
existence IS dynamic, (inter)active.
This is what Heidegger meant by 'throwness' - Dasein...being 'thrown amidst existence' means 'awakening, becoming aware of one's own dynamic essence, one's own momentum/moment.
The ancient Greeks named the source of this reverberating momentum 'EROS' or 'ANANKE', eros or necessity.

*Self-organizing implies a reduction of some probabilities and an increase of others - this distinguishes self from other.
It is implies in ideology, as the externalization of this internalizing process. ideology establishes a noetic boundary - such as a skin, membrane - within which it attempts to self-organize by diminishing the probability of some events occurring and increasing others.
This is the basis of life and of organic and SuperOrganic phenomena - the SuperOrganism is the Organism selectively externalizing its desired probabilities - as Oswald Spengler described.
Life is iteration, governed, directed, by memory.
The presence of this iterating life-form is the body, interpreted by another as appearance.

*What distinguishes one life form another is established potentiality. This is what differentiates one type from another...one race, one species, from another race and species...and one individual within a species, from another.
Potentials can be decreased, through atrophying/comforting, or increased through cultivating/stressing.

* The 'feedback cycle' is never perfect. Iteration is not complete. energies are lost or corrupted due to interactivity with other cycles - patterns...but also due to rapidness.
Chaos deteriorates Order, forcing a equal and opposite reaction; order increases chaos which in turn makes order possible - the cosmic cycle, characterized by linear time - towards absolute chaos, but as chaos expands towards the infinite the possibility of a near-absolute order, a yin/yang duality increases exponentially.
Conciousness and willing - focusing on an objective - evolved to deal with this flaw in feedback. This is what 'free', in free-will, refers to. Not absolute self-determination but partial self-determination expressed through choice.
Freedom = choice...and it means nothing supernatural and/or mystical. We are self-determined to the extent to which we perceive and correctly evaluate out options, and to the degree and direction we choose to go. Our choices, based on our judgements, determine all subsequent options available to us. But perceiving is not the same as choosing, because one can perceive and be unable to choose, not only due to an external force, preventing a particular choice, but by an internal lack of force.

*All 'new' ideas are 'beholden' to other 'ideas' - ideas pre-existing it. Nothing is absolute, applies to novelty...nothing is absolutely new, but a combination of what pre-exists. What is 'new' is the synthesis, and the synthesis creates new dynamics.
Most 'new innovations' are nothing more than a resynthesise of old innovations. Hypocrites usually simply replace the words referring to already established ideas, like a plagiarist replaces the colours of highly values painting, hoping nobody will notice.

*The movement is always from bottom/up, not from Top to bottom. one begins with the base, the physical, and then moves upwards towards the ideal. The movement should never detach....because then it veers into nihilistic insanity. The movement must remain grounded in the past - though this may limit it, it also stabilizes it and makes it solid.

*Intelligence is not enough. if you lack the courage and the integrity, the character, then your intelligence is corrupted.
Ego, emotion, like fear but also love, can corrupt integrity.
High intellect can lead to high degeneration, as a means of protecting ego, or because it surrenders to emotions. In fact, as awareness increases fragility increases....vulnerability, self-consciousness.
The reaction can be a feedback loop that becomes solipsist - narcissism is an example, but so is cynicism and its surrender to fate - fatalism. Seriousness gives way to quirkiness, seeking in novelty a way out of the noetic self-feeding circularity.
The mind believes it is moving forward when it is going in circles, noetically, as the world around it moves forwards. The outcome is never good, because the conflict between noumenon and phenomenon the outcome is always resolved on the side of the latter, more so when the mind is detached from reality and has nothing to cope with an indifferent world other than words and symbolic gestures and poetics.

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Art is a lens through which we receive images from without and we project, outward, images from within.
Over time internal forces, like ego and emotion, warp and discolour the lens - sometimes on the surface facing inward and sometimes on the surface facing outward a film accumulates, and tiny fissures speckle its convex smoothness.

The image coming inward and being projected outward is affected accordingly: obscured and clouded or fragmented and exaggerated.
If the lens is darkened on the outside what we see is a corrupted reflection of ourselves, as the lens is gradually transformed into a mirror; if the darkness is on the inside surface we begin losing sight of the world beyond, a cataract descending over our eyes.

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The one who has suffered defeats he cannot explain nor account for, is the first to declare a victory he cannot justify.

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A Google genius is currently the most popular example of communal genius. The internet has become a pool of human knowledge and understanding, disseminated across populations, giving the illusion of parity.
The ‘search engine’ directs the seeker towards socially ‘appropriate’ sources of data – using sophisticated algorithms.
[ MANifesto: Techniques – World-Wide-Web – Google Genius]
The internet is the emergence of the human hive mind; each participating member a representation of the collective pool of data-streaming.

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I have to admit that I am at a disadvantage when it comes to the typical degenerate Modern.
Whereas they have dedicated their entire intellectual energies towards understanding and applying a proxy, before themselves and reality, I've dedicated, whatever meagre intelligence in my possession, to engage reality directly.
They are 'experts' with their own preferred 'proxies', between themselves and the world, I have no such expertise, because I've dedicated hours and hours on deciphering and understanding the world directly.
They have an 'expert' proxy, and all i have is my own mind; they can defeat me in their knowledge of what their [proxy said and what he, or she, meant, and all I have is my own reasoning, referring to the same 'icons' only for support, not to substitute for my own judgements.
They are convinced that if they 'overcompensate' with a superior understanding of their 'chosen' proxy, that this implies that they've 'defeated' me in regards to understanding the world.
Whether your chosen 'proxy',. your 'masculine fighter' - behind which you hide your emasculated spirit - is, makes no difference to me.
In the end, it is you, YOU, who is the one choosing to present themselves as the 'prixy's' mouthpiece.  
And no matter what, it is always the world who is the standard.
So, what does it matter if you are courageous enough to present yourself directly, or if you hide, like a bitch, behind some dead and buried icon - which you've idolized to the proportions of a divine entity - none of it, nothing of it, nada, matters.  
Because whether you come before me with a mask, or as yourself, it is always, in the world, in relation to the world, where I measure myself.
I do not give a shit how I measure up against your understanding of Nietzsche, Jesus, Husserl, Spinoza, Buddha, or, even, Bubba, your big, fat, Negro, next door neighbour, 'cause this ain't about humans, douche-bag....this is about something bigger than a sack of flesh and blood.
This is bigger than about you trying to pretend you are the biggest dick on the block, or about attracting some stupid, naive, cunt, to exploit and gratify your immediate animal urges.
This is something bigger than the flesh of crap you, and I ,are.

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It's easy to determine the biggest cunt in the room.
He's the one quoting from some iconic intellectual figure, or implying he's the one who is the icon's most loyal bitch.
He cannot compose a sentence, without copying and/or deferring to the icon's words.
It could be in the form of a 'positive', a in referring to a supporting sentence coming from the icon's mouth, in the form of a quote - or as a defensive quote, referring to the icon as a negation - classic inversion methods - to imply a threatening 'negative'.
It's easy to distinguish the morons...they're the ones who are the first to quote Nietzsche, or to use Nazis and Hitler as a deterring icon.
They have nothing personal to add, except anecdotal platitudes or deferences and references to the icon they've chosen as a stand-in representative of their, theoretical superiority.

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When, and if, a pretentious, emasculated, cunt, dares to speak her own mind - though he is convinced he's male - he always exposes his emasculated spirit, and the simplicity of his motives.
It's why these types rarely, if ever, dare speak honestly, and before some iconic, idol, which they use as a cover for their degeneracy.

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In short, what does it matter if you pretend to stand behind some god, or some abstract idea, if you hide, like the cunt that you are?
What does it matter if your proxy if 'god', Allah, or Nietzsche, or Spinoza, Schopenhauer, Hegel, Jesus, Buddha, or Hitler, or if its a pure abstraction, like 'one' or 'nil', or some other abstraction like 'humanity' or 'equality' or 'wholeness'?
You still hide 'behind' it. So you are always a cunt.
Who does it fool, douche-bag, other than you, and the simpler of the simplest, even beneath you?
What does it matter, to me?
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Point of consideration...
Sometimes losing a few battles wins you a war.
I am reminded of how miserable females have become though they enjoy more liberties than they had in the past.
Some, perhaps, had imagined 'male privilege' to be something far more wonderful than it turned out to be - to the point that many of them are now convinced that it's because males, or 'da man', is holding something back - that 70 cents to the dollar...that extra 30% and finally all the 'power' and joy thy had imagined will be theirs.

This is a clear case of 'be careful what you wish for....'cause you just might get it'.

That's one angle.
The other harkens back to the ancient oriental arts of war - martial arts - and how one can defeat a stronger enemy by using his momentum against him....or by using his strength against him.
Then it's about speed and surgically applied pivot and pendulum swings.

I'm thinking that this identity crisis can serve a greater purpose, like turning against those who are now exploiting it.
I'm thinking of the BREXIT fiasco, and ho terrible it seems to be going for Greet Britain, or should I say England?
The parasite destroys itself by destroying the host, forcing it to return to stasis, awaiting a new host.
I'm thinking this coming, greater and greater spin-doctoring, 'censorship' will boomerang, all the way from 'down under'.
Deceit can fool human minds, but can it fool the cosmos?

We see this effect in those who practice the fArt of Nihilism, even though they will not admit it.
Does it matter if they accept, or acknowledge, if the consequences are clear?
Does it matter what tricks they use to cope - going to far as to stoically profess to enjoy their predicament?

Does the empath require the taget's understanding?
No more than a dog has to understand why it must perform the tricks it does, or why it can't take a dump indoors.
A parasite does not know what it is doing, or why. It simply knows that it feels gratified, satiated....pleasure, who not?
It acts entirely on instinct, on programming, on impulse, even when it is preparing its own death - because its own death is part of the parasitical reproductive cycle.

Sometimes losing a few battles is a preparation for winning the war.

How would you fight a raging fire?
Pissing on it, stomping on it, only increases the odds of you being burned alive.
Sometimes you have to let the fire burn itself out.
Would you stand before a buffalo stampede, thinking you can defeat the mass of bovine flesh and horns?

Nature shows us, how a tree survives fires by rising above the flames, to a height where some branches will survive.
Singed, its bark burned, most of its low hanging branches tuned to black charcoal, but it lives, because its roots lie deep, and its trunk rises high, above the height any fire can reach.
It waits, enduring the blazing storm, and then the fire is gone, and what is left are the remnants of trees that will nurture it higher.

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I'm reminded of this World War Z scene...


Maybe to survive this coming Dark Age, and this memetic dis-ease, is to become sick, ourselves - but we have the vaccine in our history, in our Indo-European culture.
They hunger for it....like the Zombies, they covet health; devouring every hint of it; destroying it as they try to incorporate it into their sickness.
It's not accidental that all these zombie films have suddenly appeared.
This is about a memetic virus and how to survive a [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].

The virus is identified, i.e. Nihilism. its source has been traced - patient x.
We know how it spreads - via semiotics, language. We know what vermin, what parasites have become symbiotic with it, spreading it further.
We also know that this scourge cannot be fought directly. No guns, swords and armour will protect us from this enemy.
It is microscopic, yet devastating; it overcomes our own kind and used them against us. It is feeble, yet powerful - insidious.
No armies no weaponry, no physical martial arts will do any good.
Killing zombies will have no big impact.

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