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PostSubject: Re: Herbivores/Omnivores/Carnivores Herbivores/Omnivores/Carnivores - Page 2 EmptyMon Oct 12, 2015 6:45 am

Communism, like Christianity, uses a hybrid system of selection.
It is K-Type, to compete, with a strong in/out group psychology, but proposes a world where no out groups exist, in a Communist Utopia, converting to r-type.
We might call this an omnivorous appetite.

Identity disconnected from nature is reinvented into the socioeconomic status of class, crossing all other identifiers.
In Christianity Utopia is the beyond, and the identifier for the in-group is believer, the ones who have faith.
Christianity has a strong K-Type selectivity, with its idea(l) r-selection projected in an after-life.

Both Communism and Christianity, being Nihilistic memes, desire a world with no conflict, no earthly opposition, unlike the Pagan K-Types which thrive on enemies, and endless conflict, agon, war.

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PostSubject: Re: Herbivores/Omnivores/Carnivores Herbivores/Omnivores/Carnivores - Page 2 EmptyWed Oct 21, 2015 7:48 am

Tastes, dietary specialization, comes down to energy management.
The carnivore exploits the continuous work, of inefficient energy appropriation of the herbivore, who replaces risk/cost with time.
Herbivores must continuously consume and process the food it easily finds in its environment.
Carnivores assimilate this accumulated, in time, energy in condensed form, taking on risk to decrease time.
Risk/Time dynamics are at play.
Risk = path-of-more resistance
This appropriation of energies (essentially condensed time), liberates the individual carnivore from the demands of its own self-maintenance - leisure.
Leisure is spent, in lower carnivores as play - play being a preparation for the risks to be undertaken, and within social unities a bonding making the cooperative hunt more effective; also free time to settle internal conflicts and reaffirm hierarchies.

Omnivores take advantage of both strategies, developing the psychology which combines elements of both herbivorous and carnivorous strategies.
Without the carnivorous dietary supplement the organisms could not had developed the large, energy demanding organ we call brain.
Condensed energies means excess, then directed towards growth, play, procreation, and in later, more sophisticated brains creativity, innovation.
Success or failure, determined by the balance of cost/benefit, places the organism, or the group, in a cycle osculating between high levels of stress and high level's of ennui.
Schopenhauer described the human condition as this tension between stress & boredom.

Farming, the technique that decreases risk, by investing in time, using a combination of carnivorous and herbivorous strategies, or r/K selection, prolongs the period between risk taking, and also decreases the risk, resulting in an increase in leisure, and with it the possibility of ennui, and the need to expunge accumulated, excess in energies.  

Stress tests, it selects, whereas ennui processes, integrates.

The carnivorous/omnivorous brain, evolved in natural conditions of stress and austerity needs to release the energies accumulated after prolonged periods of abundance.
In natural environment this is not a problem because satiation is followed by hunger, forcing the individual, and/or group to take on new risks/costs but in sophisticated, farming, omnivorous, circumstances, excess energies cannot be expunged during these frequent periods of stress.
Excess energies, in the brain, and the sexual organs, libidinal energies, build to a point of pressure, pushing the organism to act - making it restless, increasing its internal nervous system's activity, with no focus.
This type of nervous energy is self-destructive, because it is turned inward - this is what produces neurosis, and the psychological schisms, if such energies are not permitted, due to some external force (culture, peers), to express itself outward.
Esoteric/Exoteric, corresponding to my personae/character and/or private/public self, is the result of an external factor preventing the individual's from expressing/expunging its accumulated energies.
The only alternative left for this internal pressure to be released is play.
Play which may also include sexual activity: displays, mock copulation, sexual aberrations, variety, role playing, art disconnected from reality expressing this internal turmoil, this restlessness, this hidden private personae, sporting events, mock battles fought over trivial goals only displaying personal or group fitness etc.

From austerity to abundance, and from nobility to decadence.
The r/K selection process finds its place in my own positions of feminization, and Nihilism.
Now we can understand why the Greeks were known for their sexual practices, forgetting the Greeks, the Other Greeks as Hanson called them, who were the ones that were responsible for the excesses that later found expression as philosophy, art, and decadence.
We can also understand why in artificially produced and maintained manmade environments of superfluity hedonism, cynicism, humanism, Nihilism reigns, and with it stupidity, decay, fragmentation follows.
World becomes an arena to play in when all is predictable, nutrients are easily found, safety is, relatively, is guaranteed.
The brain turns inward, into subjective realms, and want sot stay there; it can now detach, because the world, the objective world, does not touch it. It is, cocooned, as I've called it, with its only contact with the objective world being to determine how to maintain this state of superfluity, and hedonistic detachment from world.  

The cycles of civilization, reflecting organic cycles of birth, growth, peak and then decline in old age.

Within the context presented, risk management is value judgment.
The brain burdened with evaluating cost/benefit in relation to a desirable goal - an idea(l) projected in space/time, as more or less probable.
The evaluation of probability is also part of the judgment.
The standard used to measure is world, objective reality, and the degree the subjective mind evaluates correctly determine its success, and failure.
World is not manmade...it is what produced man who then intervenes upon world to create his own "reality".

The strategies are two:
1- make your way within the "facts" of manmade environments - human artifices.
2- make your way within the "facts" of natural, outside human interventions environments {Realistic}, which encompass and overrule the manmade ones, if, and to the degree the manmade ones are detached, out of harmony, contrary to it {Nihilistic}.  

The first result sin ephemeral, success, within a lifetime of adapting to human fashions, social trends, while the second, by going outside to where change is not as restless as with human environments, you tap into something more long-lasting, stable, consistent (order), and we call this wisdom.

Wisdom is the reduction of reality's Flux, its ceaseless turmoil, to some basic patterns, which man, life is a part of.
These patterns can be sought internally, necessitating their harmonization with the external, or externally, necessitating their harmonization with the internal.
Connecting patterns is what we call understanding.

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PostSubject: Re: Herbivores/Omnivores/Carnivores Herbivores/Omnivores/Carnivores - Page 2 EmptyWed Oct 21, 2015 11:20 am

Humans are the only omnivore, we know of, that have mastered the art of farming, husbandry - manipulating patterns and exploiting their excess production.
Man deals with natural austerity, by cultivating/exploiting regions far beyond his immediate time/space - collecting these resources from far and wide so as to create pockets, urban settlements, little Eden's of abundance...little paradises of hedonistic excess.
In this way he falls out of harmony with the world that produced him - and Nihilism, as a (re)action trying to justify this, is born.
Entire philosophies trying to explain how, and why this is good - schism begins here, a tiny psychological rip, based on emotion and self-interest, growing with every intervention.
The collateral effect is the extinction, or severe reduction, of other organisms, and the gradual natural imbalances man struggles to compensate for.
This intervention is what I call artificiality, in relation to natural circumstances, which naturally find balance, in cycles of increasing/decreasing austerity.
Man is the only organism, we know of, that has had such an impact on the environment that made him possible - to the point where his interventions are now affecting his nature, his future, (determining his fate) more than the environment intervened upon.

Austerity is the base starting point, no matter how we define it.

Nutritionally there is no abundance of food in the cosmos.
Earth is a pocket of abundance, and primarily for herbivores.
Life feeds on life, and life is rare, the exception to the rule.

If we define it as energy then expanding space/time and increasing uniformity, means energy levels, regionally, are decreasing.
Void/Darkness increasing in relation to matter/energy.

If we define it as order(ing) (matter/energy being forms of order) then increasing entropy, more than just complexity where all is hiding a hidden order (god in the machine), and the presumption of a closed system (a whole) upon which all scientific models are based, means that order is decreasing, exponentially, with every (inter)activity.

Because a self-organizing, organism, can only perceive patterns, and depends on the construction of absolutes (whole, ambiguously complete noetic oneness), all life is attracted/seduced by order(ing), and can only perceive order(ing), and can only find value, utility in what exhibits order, or has a pattern it can assimilate/integrate into its own order(ing) - mental models (abstractions) being such an integration of patterns.
Order(ing) is attracted by order because it is increasingly becoming rare, not because it is abundant.
Man produced models, of intuition, and cannot perceive anything outside of them.
All else, all that has no pattern, is counter-intuitive, registered as void/dark - the negative, the Satanic, the incomprehensible, the forever unknowable; mystical but not in the same way the Abrahamic defines the term, just as chaos does not mean more complex order.
What lies beyond the organism's sensual acuity, even when multiplied/enhanced using techniques/technologies, is the yet to be perceived order, which is also confused for chaos, setting up the delusion that all is One, all is ordered, all is god, all is rational, logical, governed by a singular law..and therefore all is knowable, all can be represented linguistically/mathematically.
This "humble" arrogance has gone so far as to already name a theory to explain the merger of Newtonian and Quantum Physics - M-Theory.
Modern man has already presumed that Quantum physics is knowable, it can be reduced to a pattern, an algorithm, expressed mathematically, linguistically.
He claims to know what he admits as being beyond his ability to understand, by naming it, giving it a symbol...like Christians named the "beyond" the absolute as God, turning the incomprehensible, the non-existent, into something intimate, known, named.


Richard Feynman wrote:
Anyone who says that they understand Quantum Mechanics does not understand Quantum Mechanics


Baptizing a phenomenon is the favorite method of rendering it less threatening, by the Abrahamic followers and their secular Modern counterparts.
Giving the theory a name automatically implies it will be filled in with words/numbers (substance) - no longer approximations, representations, but substantial insights into the divine, the fabric of reality.
Such is the power of words - the source of Modern magic.

Ironically, without this "negative" chaos, all of existence, and therefore all life, would be impossible.  
An existential conundrum, leading to resentiment, or the countless paradoxes based on linguistic certitude (mathematics included).
Human cognition is a noetic box, shared by others in a community we call a meme and/or a culture.
Within these cognitive boxes, built on patterns, numbers and words are magical - they hold mystical resonance, and can manipulate, exploit, minds depending on order.
Integrating minds into shared linguistics, memes built no common morals, principles, ideals, is how you make more vulnerable to this magic.
Accepting the absoluteness, the certainty, of the language being used, automatically makes one part of the emergent whole.

Man's Will to Power is contained within the cognitive box - a noetic [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].

Trapped within his intuitive box, he can only hold power over patterns and organisms dependent and determined by patterns - those trained/educated to use a linguistic form with its own, self-evident, presumptions: absolutes.  
To consolidate his power man ties the knot tighter and tighter, shrinking it toward the singularity, the God, the one.
This tightening is meant to decrease all possibilities and to promote certain possibilities, converting them to probabilities, tending towards the singular.
With every attempt the effort/energy required multiplies, so the movement towards the singularity can never be completed.
Apollo is always confronted by Dionysus...chaos always overpowers order(ing), because the former requires no effort to increase, to expand, but is a byproduct of patterns/order (inter)acting.

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PostSubject: Re: Herbivores/Omnivores/Carnivores Herbivores/Omnivores/Carnivores - Page 2 EmptyWed Oct 21, 2015 7:27 pm

Democracy as it was practiced by the original inventors, never had one form.

It was inspired by Spartan egalitarianism, the code of "equal among equals" {"Homoioi"} which described a genetic and a memetic commonality, not present in today's world.
The Athenians adopted it, replacing their own Timocratic system, because they were forced to make a compromise, due to the success, and the excesses this success produced, of their polis, and its K-types, resulting in growing numbers of non-citizens, and decadence, described in the many text in reference to Greek ephivophilia, and what after reaching the Golden Age, ushered in the age of decline.
Greek philosophy was also a product of this excess.

Since then it has never been practiced as it was written in theory, just as Christianity and Communism have never been applied pragmatically as they have been taught theoretically.
Plutocracy, yes, Democracy no.
Most today do not bother to vote, and show no interest in the affairs of the state they live in, making them the antithesis of the citizen in ancient Greek Democracies, where males were forced to participate in the demos.
The masses of increasing r-types, affluence produces and the state needs to keep the gears running, are appeased by the illusion of power, ever four or so years.
The illusion has the effect of convincing the "citizen" that no matter how things are, in a short while, a new "reality" can be voted in, and the members of the nation/system will live, for a short while in this reality.
Of course, and this is true particularly of the U.S. political process, nothing really changes but the face, the figurehead, of the institution supposedly in control.
But the r-types do not care, because all they want is the illusion that they control reality, and that every four years they can vote out, or vote against, a reality that threatens them.

This is relevant when the motive is population control, and mass manipulation, but has no effect on reality itself.
So, although within the system, equality is a "reality", in theory if not in practice, outside this system it is meaningless.
There is no such thing as equality, parity, anywhere in nature. From the organic to the inorganic all is divergent.

Philosophy is not about how to control and manipulate the masses, or it is not only about that. It's main subject, is the world and how it works, which can then result in controlling and manipulating an organism, a population, because they are part of this reality.
When discussing about the world, the objective world, one is evaluating it independent of personal desires and needs.
The "how things ought to be" is a subject more appropriate for religion and ideologues to tackle - the romantic ones in particular.
The what is "best" (a value judgment) follows from this understanding of reality, and it judges not using personal, emotional factors, but what is best for the species - its focus is broader than individual desires, and fears.
Besides this, the idea that this is the "best of all possible worlds", or that "democracy is the best possible political system" is ludicrous, exposing historical ignorance and a self-serving attitude.
Comfort and habituation, makes the individual invested in it, conformist.

It is based on upbringing and habituation; entirely subjective criteria.
It is a compromise which has to integrate and gratify populations coming form diverse backgrounds with different genetic and memetic potentials, to create false harmony, one which quickly disintegrates the moment the institution supporting it with 'carrot and stick' weaken, or are absent.
There is no real genetic/memetic relationship in a globalized melting-pot environment, unless one dumbs them all down, and reduces the ideal to the lowest of all common denominators.

The most stable system has always remained the Timocratic one. But it depends on genetic/memetic homogeneity, and is not applicable when lies and the need for integrating difference races and different cultures into a fake unity is present.  
Furthermore, one of the forces keeping the citizens in line was reputation, in those early years.
Something lost in our urban settings where we drown in crowds of anonymity, and where moving a block away makes it possible for you to start over, to reinvent yourself, at least in theory.
What we have now is institutionalized hedonism, called consumerism/materialism, offering a safe zone, away from world, to enable each "individual" to pretend and believe whatever (s)he wishes; to indulge in any escapism, decadence, debauchery (s)he wants to dedicate his life to.
Breeding rabbits, r/selected genes, makes this system desirable for those raised in affluence and with the delusion of infinite resources distributed evenly to all.
But such a system inevitably fails, because the world cares not for human ideals and delusions.
We see the cracks forming right now.  

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PostSubject: Re: Herbivores/Omnivores/Carnivores Herbivores/Omnivores/Carnivores - Page 2 EmptySun Oct 25, 2015 2:39 pm

Carnivores/omnivores are the aristocrats of the animal kingdom. Nature has provided them with superior physical and mental attributes compared to their prey. That's why when complimenting someone we always compare them to a carnivore like a lion or a tiger, comparing someone to a herbivore like a cow or sheep is derogatory. Humans and brown bears are omnivores but their digestive system is more similar to that of carnivores than herbivores.

Hannibal Lecter is portrayed as an apex predator with a refined taste. He doesn't poison his body with the processed garbage the average person consumes, he is very selective about what he consumes. This is made apparent at the ending of the 2001 Hannibal movie:



Hannibal explains to the boy that he doesn't consider the things the average person eats as 'food'. Which is true, the average person today poisons him/herself by eating garbage, then complains when they get sick and eventually suffer an early death.
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When wolves become domesticated, raw flesh they cannot stomach.
They only eat meat when it is cooked, and being dogs they cannot cook it themselves.
It comes prepared, as the master wishes.

Never let a dog get a taste for the raw meat.
It's innate nature, its forgotten spirit, may awaken.
It will be dangerous for the other pets, and the dog may discover that now it can appropriate nutrients directly from nature, and not depend on a master to kill, and cook for it.


Some dogs speak of wilderness, but what they mean is a park.

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So, the metaphor is that the dog is a domesticated human, the pets other domesticated humans, the master the system, the raw meat the resources acquired independently of the system, and cooked meat the resources acquired through the system, the park is a pretend wilderness for the dogs to flatter themselves how they can be wild too.


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Or...raw meat is knowledge.
Cooked means delivered through education, where it is reduced down, selected placed on a platter for presentation.
Raw as in directly from world, nature, outside human constructs.

when a wolf hunts it must understand ti's prey and the prey's behaviour. It understands through trial and error, and after multiple failures, it may discern some pattern in the prey's actions, which can then be sued to track it, run it down, or ambush it.
Usually an older wolf, an alpha pair, leads the hunt.
The taste of raw flesh changes the dog to a wolf.
It no longer need cooking, or education with its motives, interpretations, but it can taste the meat in its natural state...., blood, tendons, fat, bone and all.
The wolf can consume meat, data, directly from environment...the dog need a human to feed it.

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Universality of the Herbivore:

The threat of an alternative to inter-subjective, herd, dynamics, demands that the entire cosmos, or all living organisms within it, be converted to herbivores.
Jihad the Muslim equivalent of eliminating what is erotically seductive and threatening from the individual's field of awareness - reduction of alternate possibilities (reduction of sexual choice, of word meaning) to raise a manmade possibility to the state of probability - tending towards a certainty.
Stringent control requires words, and options to be eliminated from circulation.
Jihad the equivalent to Marxist Revolution, against the hierarchies and the established order - a memetic mutation attempting to reorganize, and direct, human chromosomes.
The anarchists motive is to destroy order, beginning with its representation in language - a reduction of order to randomness to begin building a "new order": Using words in nonsensical ways, or reducing vocabulary, shrinking the individual's thinking by eliminating words from circulation, replacing them with new words, suggesting particular emotional states; associating other words with negative imagery/feelings, taking them out of the individual's vocabulary.
Psychological upheaval manifested as linguistic non-conformity - reorganizing words to rebel against older sentence structures, expressing a dissatisfaction with what is by assaulting the past/nature, or the past as man shaped it with his interventions - shallow/deep event-horizon, understanding "world" as world pre-human existence - beyond the confines of human artifices - or as post human existence and intervention upon nature: world as world of man.

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If we consider that words are to memes what DNA is to genes, the nutrients permitted to be consumed and digested will determine the quality of the seed.
Shifting diet from carnivorous to herbivorous, is a shift in linguistic assimilation, in word usage.
It shapes the quality of the sperm and the subsequent offspring born of it.

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The position in the strand each nucleotide is important in the determination of an outcome/meaning, just as the position of the letter in a word is.  
The place each sequence of nucleotides has within the strand is decisive.  

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Learning and application of [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], formed it sentences, is how a meme manifests in a particular type, a particular character, built around a personae.
Personae being the genetic core of the individual, as it has been determined by past/nature (organ hierarchy), and the character being the shell, the external memetic covering built over and around it – sometimes in conflict sometimes in harmony with the personality.

Magic falls into this category of manipulation of language to create a neurological effect.
Language enters the individual's body as do all external stimulation: through the eyes or ears.
Unlike other stimulation language requires of the individual a training, an understanding, to appreciate the meaning, and not only the subtext of vocal vibrations and their more primal code - in the written form the primal subtext is converted to insinuation.
Entering the brain, and interpreted into neural pulses, the words in sequence (rhythm) is converted to a psychosomatic effect.  
The effect may be to enhance the individual's relationship with past/nature, or to exploit his ignorance of it, directing him, by the the magic users own motives.

A steady diet of particular sentence structures, coupled with a controlled environment, will produce a desirable outcome.
Generations of this and you have domestication.

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PostSubject: Re: Herbivores/Omnivores/Carnivores Herbivores/Omnivores/Carnivores - Page 2 EmptyWed Nov 18, 2015 1:22 am

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So, the metaphor is that the dog is a domesticated human, the pets other domesticated humans, the master the system, the raw meat the resources acquired independently of the system, and cooked meat the resources acquired through the system, the park is a pretend wilderness for the dogs to flatter themselves how they can be wild too.

Civilization is domestication, for civilization to exist and for society to be kept from falling apart, the human masses have to be controlled, manipulated and their desires suppressed otherwise the house of cards would fall. The powers that be don't want to have any 'wild' and 'untamed' individuals around that might go against the established order because the resulting chaos caused by such individuals would disturb their plans of a perfect slave plantation where the cattle labour their whole lives to provide a lavish living for their rulers.
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The truest test of a carnivore's nobility is not in its ability to abstain, completely, from consuming,flesh, converting to herbivorous diets, like a priests needs to abstain from sexual intercourse to not be tempted by the pleasures of the flesh, but it is tested by its ability to consume the mother's flesh and then show compassion to her offspring, not needing to kill for the pleasure of killing when it has satisfied its needs.

When a herbivorous, more so a carnivorous, converts to a diet of vegetation, it is expressing shame towards its nutritional needs, wanting to cleanse itself, as a sinner confessing his sins, in preparation for a higher state, which it imagines as herbivorous - the least personal form of self-consuming.

It is wise to never give your pet canine a taste of the raw flesh, because once it gets a taste of uncooked meat it will no longer serve its master’s deitary needs. The dormant wildness, slumbering within its domesticated past, will be reborn with a blood transfusion, waking up parts the master does not want to stir in a loyal servant.

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Herbivores are immersed in plenitude.
Everywhere they turn their needs are gratified, forced to endure seasonal fluctuations with patience.
Their only concern is those who have fallen out of their "Eden", and have become "evil", forced to endure the "hell" of a world of austerity where the only relief is causing death, bringing harm, to another.
Having taken a bite from the forbidden fruit, the herbivorous mind awakens to "knowledge" – a more condensed form of data, including awareness of self (their own nakedness – third level of cognition: to see self through another's eyes).
With this "loss" the possibility for the emergence of a higher degree of consciousness (gain) becomes more probable.

Dichotomy of good/evil placed within natural categories;
Herbivores: the innocent, good.
Carnivores: the demonic, evil.

A combination of the two, emerging as the omnivore human – good/evil as one.

Human evolution from forager/hunter to herder/farmer reflect the human evolution from physical hunter to intellectual hunter.
Humans do not seek out resources in nature but can select, from what they've already found, and combine them, cultivate them, dominate them psychologically so that they offer themselves to him, willingly, ignorantly.
Man ascends to an Eden of his own making, by freeing himself from the physical to indulge in spiritual/intellectual foraging/hunting.
He no longer hunts to sustain his physical presence, having invented husbandry through his self-knowledge.
This burden benefits him, giving him an insight into all life: finding patterns he can then (re)conginze in other species, knowing them more than they can know themselves, and with this knowledge manipulate the absence of self-knowledge in other, and exploit it for his own welfare.
Losing Eden (ignorant bliss) was due to the spark of self-knowledge, putting man on the path of Know Thyself, increasing in time to the point where the accumulated understanding could not be reversed, resulting in the domination of those, including other humans, who cannot, or do not, see, or fail to see clearly, unable to integrate patterns into a larger, more inclusive, cohesion.
The size and the consistency (harmony) of the model is a measure of its timelessness, which is its value.
Value is a word referring to time: enduring/endurance in time.

We value philosophers who have found and passed on to us patterns, integrated into a single harmonious coherent, model that stands the test of time.
We value them on the basis of how this model harmonizes with the world around us, though it has changed from when the model was created – harmony of the model with the world as Flux.
We appreciate something more when it is rare, not usual in space/time, or is fragile, cannot endure time, and so is ephemeral – reminding us of our own mortality.
It inspires us by recalling in mind our own fragility.
Appreciation of fragility, of the ordered and delicate, is a form of nostalgia, and melancholy.
Most often we evaluate others, resources, patterns, in relation to their temporal promise time: broadening and deepening our perceptual-event-horizon, by pushing outward/inward time/space – extension of the awareness of possibility (space) and the probabilities (ordering – patterns) we find in it these possibilities.
Our original foraging/hunting was exactly this desire to resist time, to find resources, that can extent our lifetime, extend our possibilities in time, or dominion/dominance (power).
Strength is a measure of weakness, or of endurance in space/time, where all is tending towards chaos = power.
Advancing from herbivore diets, finding easy resources but lacking the energies to save us time because they demanded hours of foraging and then for processing them, to carnivore, increasing risk so as to harvest resources that save us time (more condensed energies taken from those herbivores – energy = time), we gave up our ignorance/innocence opening the mind with this influx of energies (patterns).
Awareness made physical survival easy, returning us to herbivore plenitude, passivity, dullness, but the growth no longer permitted for contentment, because the mind hungers no less than the body.
The mind’s expansion, in time/space, could not be undone, could not be forgotten, though Modern systems are attempting just that: a return to the dull, simplicity of herbivore consciousness (herd psychology).
Modernity is the art, the technology (husbandry) attempting to domesticate, by reducing the mind's perceptual-event-horizon, shrinking time/space so that it becomes content in immediacy, in ease, in processing and regurgitating resources given to it – easily made available to it by a farmer entity (State ...or ?).


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PostSubject: Re: Herbivores/Omnivores/Carnivores Herbivores/Omnivores/Carnivores - Page 2 EmptyTue May 10, 2016 3:04 pm

The interventions of the Frankfurt School, brought into prominence after the war began having a observable effect, a generation or two, later, as would be expected when new minds are integrated into a new way of thinking, culminating in the 60's and the motto "make love not war", which was a discernible shift from a survival based attitude to a hedonistic based attitude, or from masculine towards feminine psychology.
In nature this cultural, memetic, effect, is mirrored by K/selection and r/selection strategies.
Herbivores compromise for their weaknesses when resources are easily attained and readily available. They use the strategy of lower but more numerous investments, because they do not need to invest more than they have to as individual organisms.
These organism need not develop their brains, awareness, either, because this organ is energy consuming and requires time to develop.
The mechanism of speed and numbers is employed.
The organism does not have to understand what it is doing, but only follow the urge, directed by a simple desire to pleasure itself.
From the K/selection of carefully amassing and directing excess energies towards growth/development, the r/selection types invest minimal energies, and are guided by simplistic pleasure principles: this feels good, this feels bad....this is a threat, this is not....1/0 binary thinking, nothing too complex.    

Humans slowly adopted this r/selection but with three distinct differences.
1- humans are omnivores, straddling both herbivorous and carnivorous energy assimilating methods.
2 - unlike these other r/selection organisms humans had already evolved, under more austere environmental conditioning, big brains.
3- human, unlike other r/selection organisms enjoy abundance and easily accessible resources (artificially produced excess), which is supposed to compensate for High death percentages, but unlike their herbivorous brethren they also enjoy an artificially sustained safety, being protected from their own weakness.
This automatically produces an imbalance, and a dumbing-down.
Those big brains are no longer necessary for judging world but are focused on integrating and increasing the pleasure possibilities (specialization, institutionalized autism, freaks and geeks etc.), in relation to other organism, particularly others of their own species.

From a threat based mind, collecting and carefully directing excess energies towards development of its efficiency, the new paradigm is one of pleasure seeking, because both resources and safety are relatively guaranteed.
This is where inter-subjectivity enters as a means of focusing the mind, not only towards specializing in codependent cooperatives, releasing more libidinal energies to direct towards self-gratification, but it specializes in manipulating and seducing others, using symbols, gestures, language.
Language ceases to be directed towards dealing with world but is now directed with dealing with others who compete over pleasure sources, or wgho are the only resource requiring effort: pleasure resource.

The focus need not exceed the simple, and so pleasure is the central idea(l), with minimal costs, but with uncertain benefits.
This is the only source of stress/anxiety, and every threat is understood within its contexts.
Competing over gratification, rather than survival and growth means that all energies in excess, accumulating with relative ease, have to be funnelled towards release - an orgasm based economy, and way of thinking of self and world.
Pleasure need not be productive, but only intense, and consistent.
Libidinal release for its own sake.
The mindlessness of the less sophisticated organism simply wanting to pleasure itself, following its urges, finds in humans a memetic focus: hedonism, accompanied and maintained by a series of memes constructing a nihilistic internal noetic environment, containing human consciousness within its binary/dualistic paradigm: Modernity = internal inter-subjectivity, governed by a method of hedonistic libidinal release of excess.  
Maximizing pleasure is the only idea(l) worth expending mental energies towards, and everyone's and everything's value is measured against this goal: how much pleasure one can give, and how much he can receive, or can and does enjoy.

Within this New World Order, words act as social lubricants, connectors of uniformity, manifesting in superficial multiplicity.
Their only function being to access the only resource not guaranteed within this protective environment: pleasure.
When pleasure is the standard then extroversion is the preferred type: those who demand increasingly higher and more consistent sources of pleasure.
Happiness becomes another word for it, and so is success and value.

This can now be directed towards methods of acquiring and sustaining personal pleasure, which is always individualistic.
Work, social economic status, sexual appeal, seductiveness, artistry, in any medium but especially in the art of language, is all that matters: symbols of one's ability to enjoy, or how much resources to be enjoyed, and to then offer to others, for their own pleasure.    

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Satyr wrote:
Right/Left, Conservatism/Liberalism, correspond to the r/K selection strategies.

When resources are in abundance, such as for herbivores, for whom, finding nutrition is relatively easy, the preferred strategy is the r-selection; when resources are scarce, or difficult to come by, such as for carnivores, the preferred strategy is K-selection.
When environmental conditions shift, sometimes towards times of superfluity, and other times towards austerity, along with this environmental change, the r/K distinctions shift, sometimes towards the r-strategy, sometimes towards the K-strategy.

Basic characteristics of both groups is this:

r-Selection {Herbivores}: Promiscuity, no in/out group identity, low inter-group competition, low, to no, investment in child-care.

K-Selection {Carnivores}: Monogamy, severe in/out group identity, high inter-group competition, high investment in child care.



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Vampires - Carnivores Cuckservatives, K-selection when resources are scarce, indulgence from hunger/exhaustion, search for biofuels and alternative energies to replenish and keep the system going, individualistic innovators. The "immortal" Vampire is a projection of the fear of dying, clingers of living at any cost. Hence, the strong J.-Xt. religious instinct among the conservatives.

Zombies - Herbivores Libtards, r-selection when resources are plentiful, indulgence from excitement/over-stimulation, viral contagions, zapping out energy and crashing the system to a halt, occupy mobsters. The "dead" Zombie is a projection of the fear of living, numbness and loss of appetite, clingers and levelers pulling all to death at any cost. Hence, the secular-humanist instinct among the liberals.


From the perspective of Girard, the 'Cold war' is a mirroring of two mimetic rivals, each supplanting and implanting each other, respectively. As mirror doubles, the increasing lack of any differentiation is bound to cause a 'fuse'… in more than one sense.

Where does this leave the werewolf, in terms of selection-strategy?

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Modern Nationalism is truly an Internationalism [zombiedom] - "faceless credits", etc.

Internationalism is truly a petty Nationalism [vampirehood] - the "self-chosen" agenda.

In the interchangeability, the rivalry over the common object of desire and its cause come to the fore.

We know that cause as Nihilism.

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McLuhan, Marshall wrote:
Appetite is essentially insatiable, and where it operates as a criterion of both action and enjoyment (that is, everywhere in the Western world since the sixteenth century) it will infallibly discover congenial agencies (mechanical and political) of expression.

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