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PostSubject: Tantric Sex Sat Sep 05, 2015 1:29 pm

The tantra says that ejaculation is bad. Real pleasure is non ejaculation orgasm.

My doctor says that ejaculative orgasming is good and he does not even know about the other kind.
Western med says three days max/optimal, you should refresh the sperms. Experience says it's awesome to abstain from orgasm for two weeks.

Anyway. I have tried non ejaculative orgasms and they feel pretty satisfying but nothing like coming inside of a woman.
Maybe the tantras don't like the domination game of pounding her into submission and then her victory "yayy I get the sperm!!".

It is healthy to ejaculate on a woman's face. Not for the tantra but for the psychological effect. A man will go about he rest of his day bouncing like one of those balls from Men in Black that caused the big blackout.

But with tantra his energy remains in his body. He is "humming with bliss".

But this is eerie. These Chinese people, they feel different than blankas, like Kennedy said about the Jews. I don't know how Jews and tantra mix but they invented porn so who knows what's the deal with that.

Anyway, I think white people and tantra don't mix. I never talk to any white (or black) guy that likes it.

One good thing about sex is that afterwards a guy doesn't give a shit about a lot of things that normally stress a guy out. That's why sex leads to more sex.

Tantric sex leads to blissful walking around and smelling the roses.
But what if you live in industrial Belgium or England? There are no roses, there is only the fannyflower and she smells a lot stronger, just as strong as the browncoal in your underpants.

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PostSubject: Re: Tantric Sex Sat Sep 05, 2015 9:36 pm

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The tantra says that ejaculation is bad. Real pleasure is non ejaculation orgasm.

The Sinister paths says not.

It tells you to envision your partner as your Goddess, the matrix of shakti, power, "am", world as bride and pride and exalt in it.

In progressive levels, the Vira can forego the stimulation of the 5 Ms to the simulation of the 5 ms.
He becomes hyper-sensitive to the slightest movements, rustles, tones, hues... charged awareness.
He bristles with charisma of pure bliss.

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PostSubject: Re: Tantric Sex Sun Sep 06, 2015 7:49 am

For some reason my instinct tells me you are Jewish yourself.
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PostSubject: Re: Tantric Sex Sun Sep 06, 2015 12:46 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Tantric Sex Mon Sep 07, 2015 8:31 am

A man becomes hypersensitive, feminine, by tantra, yes thats what I more or less figured out. Probably a result of all the soy the Asians eat. It produces estrogen.

Will look through the link. But I think it is dangerous to play with sexual pleasure like that, it is only a lure. You will exhaust the instincts.

Bu then again that is the point of Buddhism. To be happy with what already is but not to look for what may (be)come.
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PostSubject: Re: Tantric Sex Tue Sep 08, 2015 11:57 am

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] is the name that popularly pops up on the topic of semen retention. There is a casual video by a practioner who basically concludes retention is only for those experiencing energy depletion through frequent ejaculation.
Historically, 'popular'/exoteric Buddhism was a manual for mindful discipline against mindless expenditures - the accumulation of karma. Evola's 'Metaphysics of Sex' is suitable here.



Woodroffe explains the same. (There's a nice concept in it called the Nyasa.)

The Sovereign [pashu+pati = lord of animals/animaline] is the one who can free himself from the bondage [pasha] of the animal within [pashu].
A sovereign alone has the right/privilege to enjoy sex... where a wine before him [madhu] is also enjoyed as the nectar of knowledge [medha], etc.

But going back a bit, its not hard to see, the idealism behind semen-retention is to reach an androgynous state that was supposedly the edenic unity. Reversing the male function is to reach that state of supposed wholeness before the fall, before any genderism.
I have heard some say their organs turn blue because of retention.
To this extent, Zizek, Norman Brown, Nietzsche and others have frequently written about the masochism that IS Xt., but also prevalent in Islam, and Sri Lankan tamil tribalisms, and Hatha Yogi tantric sex rites, where a male not only retains his own semen, but also vampirically absorbs the female's bindu - a practice called the 'vajroli'.

Zizek's views on masochism is covered [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].

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Woodroffe's explanation of tantra on the other hand, speaks of shiva-shakti union - of full expression of powers of each gender, than a reversal.

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PostSubject: Re: Tantric Sex Wed Sep 09, 2015 8:37 pm

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] is the name that popularly pops up on the topic of semen retention. There is a casual video by a practioner who basically concludes retention is only for those experiencing energy depletion through frequent ejaculation.
Historically, 'popular'/exoteric Buddhism was a manual for mindful discipline against mindless expenditures - the accumulation of karma. Evola's 'Metaphysics of Sex' is suitable here.

This Chia is dangerous.
I tried his stuff in 2003. He reveals far too much and offers far too little guidance.

I was severely harmed, 'lost inside'.

His approach is too pervasive and aggressively subtle for even quite subtle western bodies.
But most yogas are. And most know this of themselves. Chia the fool.

But they are Chironic wounds, which heal by successfully compelling the man into deeper searching. They are never treated, they resolve in the enlarging of medicinal powers. They become knowledge, metaphysical bone.

Absorbed into Uruz.

The second and third  lines of Uruz are bent into one, the symbols on the charts aren't clear. Uruz is strength that bends matter, the way gravity has formed the bone, to the earth.

It is crucial that the runes are not universal. Uruz is of the beast that once walked the earth, stronger than any beast that now lives. In magic, the piracy on the unchecked pool of excess, these things live on in spirit and their power isn't diminished. The spirit lives, 80 percent dark matter, what do you think hides there but the dancing demons of power?

Ha - Ha
Power can not exist without having a good time
An it can't bear no rules
so it stays invisible.

What you see is what you "get".


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The Sovereign [pashu+pati = lord of animals/animaline] is the one who can free himself from the bondage [pasha] of the animal within [pashu].
A sovereign alone has the right/privilege to enjoy sex... where a wine before him [madhu] is also enjoyed as the nectar of knowledge [medha], etc.

But going back a bit, its not hard to see, the idealism behind semen-retention is to reach an androgynous state that was supposedly the edenic unity. Reversing the male function is to reach that state of supposed wholeness before the fall, before any genderism.
I have heard some say their organs turn blue because of retention.

I think it is dangerous for the neural circuitry.
The currents, the compounds of waveforms produced by the sex organs is like flames heat where a laser needs to be applied; the main vertical nadi's are supposed to regulate this via the chakras but mostly it travels through the aura, which it takes over and makes for 'perversity'.

You need superior discipline first to discern the nadi's and work your way up and down them, and then to process sexual drives into this experiential pressure that is both body and mind that we recognize as prana, to ask this of humans is ridiculous. Even if it is sought out privately it remains a treacherous love affair. Bliss is siply not for the taking but for the giving.

That is the reason all yogic group rituals end with chanting a blessing to the world, they releasing guilt felt because of this deeply egoistic ritual that they just passionately indulged themselves in.

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To this extent, Zizek, Norman Brown, Nietzsche and others have frequently written about the masochism that IS Xt., but also prevalent in Islam, and Sri Lankan tamil tribalisms, and Hatha Yogi tantric sex rites, where a male not only retains his own semen, but also vampirically absorbs the female's bindu - a practice called the 'vajroli'.

In the west, man and woman absorb each others essence. It leaves them in a state of confusion, which they refer to as love.

We like to be drunk. The sap is strong in us. Give us confusion and pink mist. They are invitations to the lightning.

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Zizek's views on masochism is covered [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].

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Woodroffe's explanation of tantra on the other hand, speaks of shiva-shakti union - of full expression of powers of each gender, than a reversal.

I like that because it places man and woman in the world. They are united by giving away of themselves and suffering a bit for it but overall being happy because of this fact, this transaction. Marriage in spirit, too not chase pleasure for play but purely for it not running away. Stay beast, stay close to the earth, especially here.
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PostSubject: Re: Tantric Sex Tue Sep 15, 2015 1:39 pm

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Lyssa wrote:
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] is the name that popularly pops up on the topic of semen retention. There is a casual video by a practioner who basically concludes retention is only for those experiencing energy depletion through frequent ejaculation.
Historically, 'popular'/exoteric Buddhism was a manual for mindful discipline against mindless expenditures - the accumulation of karma. Evola's 'Metaphysics of Sex' is suitable here.

This Chia is dangerous.
I tried his stuff in 2003. He reveals far too much and offers far too little guidance.

I was severely harmed, 'lost inside'.

I know. I have heard the same from a few others as well. Its because Taoist astrology and their alchemy differ in so many places from the western ones.

But he has some simple and beautiful insights, like the concept of the Inner Smile, or this one for example:

Chia wrote:
The Healing Elixir

"The Taoists always recommend you swallow your own saliva at least 15 to 30 times a day. This allows the body to heal itself. The saliva itself has a high potassium content, which really heals the body. When you were young and hurt yourself, what was the first thing your mother did? She kissed it and made it all better. The kissing transferred the saliva from her mouth, which had a healing effect on the body. This is the same for animals: as soon as they cut themselves, the first thing they do is lick the cut and that helps the body heal itself. The saliva from the tongue as they lick the wound starts to heal the wound." [Living in the Tao]


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But they are Chironic wounds, which heal by successfully compelling the man into deeper searching. They are never treated, they resolve in the enlarging of medicinal powers. They become knowledge, metaphysical bone.

I like that word "metaphysical bone". Ever subtler sheaths.
There is also an accompanying danger. The more sheaths you build, the more you have to stay with them, else at the time of death, your life-source may exit from a path than the esteemed one (the top of the skull) and the energy is set out in the world in a different configuration. Exit from the skull is said to influence that atavistic memory some people seem to experience, like they're born, as if knowing who they are. I cant put it better.

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Absorbed into Uruz.

The second and third  lines of Uruz are bent into one, the symbols on the charts aren't clear. Uruz is strength that bends matter, the way gravity has formed the bone, to the earth.

Yes, true to the earth.

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It is crucial that the runes are not universal. Uruz is of the beast that once walked the earth, stronger than any beast that now lives. In magic, the piracy on the unchecked pool of excess, these things live on in spirit and their power isn't diminished. The spirit lives, 80 percent dark matter, what do you think hides there but the dancing demons of power?

Yes, the power that cannot be owned in a single self.

The phrase "crossing the rubicon", also called the "point of no return".
"The point of no return is the point beyond which one must continue on one's current course of action because turning back is physically impossible, prohibitively expensive or dangerous." Mathematically, the exponential surge.

In the blessed state, the "must" disappears, and one can continue on, without falling back. Like one has cleared a threshold that sustains on its own. Uruz is that vitality and perseverance. The runic pictogram here is the hoof of the wild beast taking its first foot foward... the first break-through, the first dawn of a new day, a daring courage, the first confidence. Sweeping change, a revolution. Raw, primal virility.

Anglo-Saxon has:
"Ur (iron-slag or possibly drizzle) proceeds from brittle iron.
The reindeer often runs on icy snow."

To dance on ice or by extension slippery mud is a power also called grace. You need Uruz' shape-sustaining power when there is no ground.
"The organic patterning energy of Uruz laces up the skin, sustains the ego and can be used to protect the psyche from trauma. Self-healing is the energy which pulls a diseased or ill form back toward its ‘primal blueprint’: the original, invisible shape intended by nature’s design."

Lost things are restored to its pristine, ice-clear form.
The congealing or coagulating power in blood.

Reconstructions of a victim's parts to the destructive primal forces of the fire, earth, etc. are here.
GvL. calls it the rune of the doctor, and

"The basis of all manifestation is the Primeval. Whoever is able to recognise the cause of an event, to him the phenomenon itself does not seem to be an insoluble puzzle -- be this fortunate or unfortunate -- and therefore he is able to banish misfortune or increase luck, but also to recognise false evil and false luck as such.
Therefore: Know yourself, then you will know all!"

Thus, its also marking off territories, and vice-versa, to be free of containment when used as a protection.


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What you see is what you "get".

Yes, ur is in the very urge, stamina, the impulse to be, replacing what has shed, matter adapting like ley lines creating a path, shape-shifting power of the Actor, of alien donor transplants, etc. The materialization of thought, idea - so, role-models who draw up and raise individuals and individuality from undifferentiated mess. Pygmalion love, the coming alive in flesh, orgasm, liberations in mass orgies. While fehu is portable wealth, uruz is the phenomenal and unmanifest power of money, possessions that can shape the future. Data restoration, information architects,
vitality of our earth-roots, chthonic power of our ancestral roots, pictorially like a portal one draws back from. Also our very body like a vessel that can hold the transcendent without being shattered by the terrific numinous. Scapegoats that take your place, literally recreating you in the sacrificial animal in your stead, and therefore the debt that "weighs you down" like gravity. I'll have to think more later and add to it.

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I think it is dangerous for the neural circuitry.
The currents, the compounds of waveforms produced by the sex organs is like flames heat where a laser needs to be applied; the main vertical nadi's are supposed to regulate this via the chakras but mostly it travels through the aura, which it takes over and makes for 'perversity'.

You need superior discipline first to discern the nadi's and work your way up and down them, and then to process sexual drives into this experiential pressure that is both body and mind that we recognize as prana, to ask this of humans is ridiculous. Even if it is sought out privately it remains a treacherous love affair. Bliss is siply not for the taking but for the giving.

That is the reason all yogic group rituals end with chanting a blessing to the world, they releasing guilt felt because of this deeply egoistic ritual that they just passionately indulged themselves in.

No, no. Gebo is the rune of sacrifice and gift-giving, and old saying has it, if the gift doesn't circulate, it turns to poison. The double meaning is in the very etymology of gift. It must be renewed. Life is a movement, and gifting ends stasis, stagnation, decay.

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To this extent, Zizek, Norman Brown, Nietzsche and others have frequently written about the masochism that IS Xt., but also prevalent in Islam, and Sri Lankan tamil tribalisms, and Hatha Yogi tantric sex rites, where a male not only retains his own semen, but also vampirically absorbs the female's bindu - a practice called the 'vajroli'.

In the west, man and woman absorb each others essence. It leaves them in a state of confusion, which they refer to as love.

We like to be drunk. The sap is strong in us. Give us confusion and pink mist. They are invitations to the lightning.

ha, yes.
In which case, I cannot agree with Reich saying:

"Every seemingly arbitrary destructive action is a reaction of the organism to the frustration of a gratification of a vital need, especially of a sexual need."

Not every destructive tendency is a psychic disturbance, nor is orgasm an answer for it. Pleasure can cloud and shield you for a while, but its not the answer. When uruz gives you the erect posture, that is not a repression of the beast in man, a neurosis... but culture. Neg. uruz of course is petrifaction in that form and then it becomes oppressive or repressive. Reich's "character armour" is the obvious case in point.
Posture and character are intricately related.

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I like that because it places man and woman in the world. They are united by giving away of themselves and suffering a bit for it but overall being happy because of this fact, this transaction. Marriage in spirit, too not chase pleasure for play but purely for it not running away. Stay beast, stay close to the earth, especially here.

Nicely put; I think the same.

p.s. What accounts for this whole change in you - your near-british accent, appearance, fluency, confidence and the prose style in the DNA and the Sacred, like pulled out from a Houellebecq novel... did you get to experiment as an actor in an (alchemical) theatre?

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PostSubject: Re: Tantric Sex Mon Sep 28, 2015 6:09 pm

Horny

Recap...
Organism appropriates/feeds/assimilates energies to deal with the attrition of flux/interactivity.
Need/Suffering is the sensation of this friction; interstation of organism's ordering contradicted by other phenomena, with their own patterns, or energies lacking all pattern.

Two types of need, the second the by-product of the first:
1- Need due to the lack this friction produces in the organism
Hunger
2- Need to release energies accumulated and stored through appropriation/feeding/assimilating – due to #1
Libido

To be horny is the stress caused when the organism is trying to control its accumulated energies – when it is containing them.
The stress is felt as agitation.
The organism, particularly the base one, need not understand what it is feeling, or why, it simply reacts to the sensation of accumulated energies needing to be released – libidinal energies.

For the male the release is explosive and short in duration – for the female the release is more gradual and longer in duration.
In both cases the stress caused by containing libidinal, excess, energies, causes spasms, indicating a sudden release of accumulated stress.
Crying produces the same release of accumulated stress energies, resulting in spasms and hyperventilation.
For a female these may be longer, or shorter, or may be to a higher, or a lesser degree.
The level, and duration, is determined by her appreciation of the male – how she relates to him.
A female will experience a release during intercourse, feeling it as pleasure, but to orgasm the male has to inspire the sudden expenditure of repressed energies so as to increase the probability of fertilization, during that period in time.
A female may choose to copulate with the male of her choice during her highest period of fertility when her libidinal energies are at their highest, released later during the menstrual cycle.
Orgasm is an additional way of selecting the genes she appreciates as superior, when she cannot select with whom she must copulate, or when.
The menstrual cycle guarantees a monthly release of energies, which does not happen in males.
Men must channel their excess energies towards art, creativity, sport, competition if they cannot towards pro-creativity, and sex.
This is why men are more creative, and women not so much – explaining also Nietzsche's remark that women in philosophy indicates a sexual dysfunction.
This also explains why base humans have more children.
With no other way to expunge their accumulating energies they can only turn to the primal.
It also explains why the most brilliant philosophers were never married, and had no children, and why leisure is a prerequisite for all higher objectives.

The expelling of the sperm, outward, drains the male.
He loses energy with every orgasm.
The female does not drain herself with every orgasm.
Her eggs are expelled once a month.
The orgasm consists, in the male, of the expelling of his essence, and the release of nervous tension, due to the effort needed to contain the excess which they were produced by.
Sexual release is fatiguing and gratifying for the male, whose sexual energies are contained within the sexual organs, primarily.
The orgasm for the female is different.
She does not lose her essence with every encounter, as the male does. Her ovum are not discharged, except during her monthly cycle so as to give way to a fresh ovum.
For a female the sexual satisfaction is only the release of the tension, the stress, required to contain all that excess energy, which she carries from birth.
She never drains herself, but is fatigued if the orgasms are multiple... the spasms of muscles having the same effect physical exercise would.
Her sexuality is not restricted to her sexual organs, but her entire body is a sex organ, including her brain.
A woman is primarily inspired to orgasm, and the physical stimulation is a triggering.
To understand this difference is to understand the male/female approach to sex.
A man expends his accumulated libido, either pro-creatively, or creatively, and also experiences a release of nervous tension accumulated by the necessity to produce and contain these energies, which begin accumulating the moment he expends himself.
The woman is born with her eggs already produced and begins containing her energies the moment she begins her menstruation.
Each month she experiences the equivalent of male ejaculation, only along with her eggs she loses blood, which drains her more than the male is drained.
During orgasm she only releases the nervous energy accumulated to contain her libidinal energies monthly.


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PostSubject: Re: Tantric Sex Thu Oct 01, 2015 1:27 pm

Love (erotic):

a- Lust [physical attraction]
The body's reaction to the other's presence/appearance - displaying health [resistance to flux], reproductive fitness [excess energies], grace/balance, scent = symmetry
Beauty = symmetry displaying genetic vigor in past [inherited].
Proportionality, displayed the organism's inherited health - organism ability to order itself, in relation to function [organ hierarchies].

b- Trust [particularly important for females]
The male must become vulnerable, exposing his sensitive spots, as a display of hes trustworthiness.
The message is passed onto the female: "I willingly make myself vulnerable, so that you can be comfortable being vulnerable, during copulation, to me."

The male must win the female's trust.
More so in species where males are integrated into the group, and a female depends on social alliances to carry our her sexual role effectively.
The male must first be generous, with resources, as a indication that he will provide, in her coming hour of need, when she is with child, and then must expose himself to her, first, before she can be convinced to expose herself, her most vulnerable parts, so as to enable penetration.
Flirting, and then foreplay, are behavior building trust - called intimacy.
The female's nervous energies, kept on stand by [fight/flight], must be calmed, for her nervous energies, preserving her libidinal energies, to be released - as orgasm, and then later the equivalent to male ejaculation, during menstruation.
Menstruation is the internalization of ejaculation.
The ovum, unlike the sperm, is kept within, now united with the male's sperm.
A pregnant woman is said to "glow", because her essences is not released and lost outwards, but it is internalized.
At birth all this accumulated essence is lost, and the female may fall into a depression - postpartum depression...

The previous two are physical prerequisites, but there are mental prerequisites, particularly with higher life-forms, big brained species,m like homo sapiens.

c- Shared Idea(l)s, Objectives [ambitions, principles, morals etc.]
This indicates a shared background and world-view - a common projection towards a goal, guided by similar, if not exactly the same principles.
This ensures that synergy will offer the union an added advantage.
The mates, soon to be parents, need to be working efficiently , to out run the others.

The more physical [dominated by an organ other than brain] individuals will compromise by tolerating less of {c} if {a} & {b} are present, to a degree sufficient for them to do without {c}.
The individuals where brain is the dominant organ in their organic hierarchies, {c} is a deal-breaker.
They would rather not have {a} and have {c}, with {b} remaining necessary, because of the act itself, and its mechanics.


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Love (agape):
Higher love, or love minus the erotic, the procreative, physical aspects.

{b} & {c} only apply, because {a} is not a factor.
If agape begins between male/female, and depending on the masculinity femininity of the parties may even be so between homosexual friendships, then {c} increases.
The loosing of energies, letting go, feeling comfortable, less anxious, places the individuals in an intimate space, where physical contact can occur.
Even between heterosexual individuals physical displays increase, mock copulation, kissing, contact with intimate parts of the body, in a playful way, become increasingly possible.
The contact is not sexual, but indicates a growing trust, where the most sensitive parts of the other's body are accessible, and no harm is done - also a reminder that harm can be done, but is withheld.



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Sexual attraction founded on the mind/body divide:

>A female may approve of a male’s present ongoing performances, his behaviour, his character, and disapprove of his genetic inheritance, his past/nature, as it manifests as appearance, his personae = approval of the mind and rejection of the body.
How the male has adapted his inferior past/nature, may meet the standards of a female acting on behalf of a memetic idea(l) – she a product of it, via nurturing/training/education.
Her body, as her own past/nature unaffected by all memetic influences, may continue to disapprove of a male despite her mind’s approval of him, creating a conflict in her between mind and body, or gene with meme.

>A female may approve of a male’s past/nature, his genetic inheritance, and disprove of his performance, his behaviour, how this inheritance has been adapted to the circumstances = approval of the body (genes) and rejection of the mind (memes).
Her mind may reject the male noetically, and her body may not heed the mind’s direction and continue to show instinctual, automatic, symptoms of approval: arousal indicated by blood flow, eye movement, and subtle sings of instinctual appreciation.

In a perfect relationship the female finds the male both physically and mentally attractive.
Such a relationship is almost complete.
Almost because no such perfect harmony of mind and body is ever present for more than an ephemeral instant.
Sexual arousal, like all stats of psychosomatic frenzy, levels all disharmonies down to the present (time imploding towards the singularity of “now”); the passion of being “in the moment”.
A more sophisticated female will show a preference for the mental attraction, and be willing to sacrifice, or tolerate the male’s physical inferiority.
The reverse is the case as one drifts towards the base, towards the more primitive female, reaching the lowest type who is willing to tolerate a feeble mind, when the male has all the appropriate genetic markers of inherited superiority.
For the male things are a bit different.
He diversifies his genetic investments, if he can (bad boy, playa). For him the female’s fertility, her readiness and ability to give him healthy offspring is what matters first and foremost, and her mind will accentuate, or diminish this.
Again, for a more sophisticated male the tilt towards the mental means he is willing to tolerate, and sacrifice some genetic fitness when the female compensates for it with mental superiority, or when a female has cultivated her mind to compensate for a poor genetic inheritance, and has not merely inherited genetic superiority and allowed her mind uncultivated.

Love, is for man and woman an approval of the other’s mind.
The orgasm, lust reaching its apex, is the body approving of the other’s past/nature, which has manifested in presence, appearance.

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PostSubject: Re: Tantric Sex Sun Oct 25, 2015 10:16 pm

Women are notoriously cold.
Their extremities frigid, particularly before her menstrual cycle begins.
Their blood flow pools around her internal organs, protecting the ovum, or preserving a stable core temperature – nesting.
The blood acts like a bird’s feathers, creating a barrier between the egg and the external temperature fluctuations.
Female mammals nest internally.
When aroused the blood flow begins to flow outward, towards the extremities, opening up to the world, becoming receptive to the “intruder”.
She is aroused only by the one she approves of.
Her openness, is her arousal – her sexual readiness.
Her entire body becomes a sex organ.
She flushes, with warm blood.
Her sex organs and every extremity becomes heated, moist, preparing for the male’s intrusion.
The more intrusive the male is, the moister the female must become to make his penetration possible – she gushes, releasing supressed nervous energy in the process.
Later this release will be felt as calmness, a feeling of well-being, ease.
Similar to the feeling after a good cry.
This condition is also part of her gestation process.
A pregnant female is said to “glow”, with warm blood, now flowing through the outer layers of her skin, so as to maintain her internal temperature at a steady temperature.
Her nest has expanded to include the gestating embryo.

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PostSubject: Re: Tantric Sex Sat Nov 07, 2015 2:31 pm

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In the west, man and woman absorb each others essence. It leaves them in a state of confusion, which they refer to as love.

We like to be drunk. The sap is strong in us. Give us confusion and pink mist. They are invitations to the lightning.

ha, yes.
In which case, I cannot agree with Reich saying:

"Every seemingly arbitrary destructive action is a reaction of the organism to the frustration of a gratification of a vital need, especially of a sexual need."

Not every destructive tendency is a psychic disturbance, nor is orgasm an answer for it. Pleasure can cloud and shield you for a while, but its not the answer. When uruz gives you the erect posture, that is not a repression of the beast in man, a neurosis... but culture. Neg. uruz of course is petrifaction in that form and then it becomes oppressive or repressive. Reich's "character armour" is the obvious case in point.
Posture and character are intricately related.

This is the alpha and omega of male sexuality. There are simply two kinds of 'advancing men' - the thief and the knight, of course referring to the dagger and the sword; the absence and presence of honor, which is always the foundation of culture.

Tiwaz, in the runes, expresses the knights honor, Thurisaz represents the 'stabbing weapon' in general. What we in the west like more than elsewhere is 'wild seeds', the way honor is confused with dishonor, we like the chaos of the beautiful and the ugly intertwined. Our consumerist culture is even a reflection of this; it is nowhere as richly saturated as in the west, everywhere else, it is taken too seriously. We know it is ugly - and yet we find our own beauty in it. This is how the west will again become superior; much like the smallpocks wiped out the native Americans, consumerism wipes out the rest of the world, and only we are immune to it, because we have endured its sickness. But pay heed - we are only just now overcoming our own sickness - this 'prophecy' applies to the long future, not to the recent past.

Consumerism is a form of the Horned One. It reflects "creation of harsh conditions" but not in the street but in the heart. These who manage to turn consumerism to a noble advantage, (greatly the Gemini-Sagittarius axis) are the 'artist tyrants'.

Fertilizers; but we may see it as the 'horny' cultivators who use the shit of the consumer-product-world to fertilize the maiden in the winter-dark morn of spring, sanctifying a promise to the future-Earth.
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PostSubject: Re: Tantric Sex Tue Nov 10, 2015 2:30 pm

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This is the alpha and omega of male sexuality. There are simply two kinds of 'advancing men' - the thief and the knight, of course referring to the dagger and the sword; the absence and presence of honor, which is always the foundation of culture.

Tiwaz, in the runes, expresses the knights honor, Thurisaz represents the 'stabbing weapon' in general.

What we in the west like more than elsewhere is 'wild seeds', the way honor is confused with dishonor, we like the chaos of the beautiful and the ugly intertwined.


True. And nice.

We celebrate paradoxes. The criminal and transgressor of the previous era is the commander and tyrant-artist of the future.

Since the world is always becoming, the value can never be estimated, as history will run on.

But does this mean one defers and suspends judgement forever?
If the identity of a man evolves with context [immortality], what was essential [eternal] about him, 'so to speak'?
What is that man who does not care about his stamp on eternity?

When the sword dares to fix the border - the 'perimeter value', and the hammer sets a man in, when the two bind together, you have the man rune standing in glory, approx. his being and becoming.

Bauschatz wrote:
"Verða derives from the IE root *uert-, which denotes the kind of motion common to 'turn, spin, rotate'. The IE languages utilize it widely, for example in Olnd. vártate 'revolve', Lat. vertere 'to turn', and in the Slavic root *v'ert-'circular motion', common in various combinations in most Slavic languages: OSlav. vratiti, Rus. v'ert'et' 'to turn', Pol. wiercić 'to bore, drill' etc. The idea basic to verða contains this element of 'turning' and probably represents some kind of change of location or reorientation in space. Its meaning develops logically from 'turn (from one place or position to another)' > 'turn (in to)' > 'become'.

Additionally, the motion of 'turning' or 'changing position' found in *uert-implies revolution or motion about an axis. Such motion suggests a return to an original beginning point (as in a revolving door), or at least an approximation toward such an origin (as in a screwlike motion). Thus, one thing turning into something else will retain part or all of itself or return at least partially to its original configuration. This antithetical nature of change and retention is found in the meaning of verða and the words related to it in the Germanic languages. When Verthandi and Urth are semantically related, Verthandi becomes that which is in process of 'turning' or 'becoming', and Urth would be that which has 'turned' or 'become'." [The Well and the Tree]

Tiwaz corresponds to the looming wyrd, man shaping his destiny.
Thurisaz corresponds to the laid down and set orlog, man IS his action.

Tiwaz attacks and defends enemies lawfully;
Thurisaz even creates and makes enemies, just being itself, thorns and all.

In the fictitious [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], the weapon of the lion was a dagger that could extend into a sword with an all-seeing eye of thundera, gathering the wild cat clan. It brought together all the dispersed and scattered eyes of the Sphinx cat. One reason is, the northmen believed, the sword that was passed down as a heir-"loom"...ing had "seen" all the wars of those who held it. In the battle between lion-O and mumr-A, between greece and egypt to use your terms, the eye of liono's sword is Tiwaz, and the crystal ball of the shimmering pool from which mumra saw the present is Thurisaz. Every twinkle is like a thorn.
One projects, and the other reflects, resp.

And so speaking of capitalism, when you said,

FC wrote:
"The capitalization of skill has resulted in exalted skills of capitalization itself."

Narcissus paralyzed to his death unto his own logic and solipsism, needs to be pulled back by Echo. … an echo of the beauty of the past and that of the task of the future.

Satyr wrote:
"Depression can also be the result of disenchantment [corr. to thurisaz] with an idealized object/objective, one it is approached, or attained to a degree.
The disappointment caused by the discrepancy [corr. to tiwaz] between the IDEAL and the REAL causes the mind to flinch backwards, back into its cranial shell.
A period of depression follows. Then a new IDEAL goads the mind out of itself."



Black Panther wrote:
Consumerism is a form of the Horned One. It reflects "creation of harsh conditions" but not in the street but in the heart. These who manage to turn consumerism to a noble advantage, (greatly the Gemini-Sagittarius axis) are the 'artist tyrants'.

To split hairs here, I would say a thirst, than a hunger for larger things,, because "honour", "glory", and such have already been commodified like the production of a rebel's image on a t-shirt as yet another meme to market, in the culture of gambling.

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Death, decay, decadence are natural and cannot and should not be wished away, eliminated by the sword;

Fehu of the "herd"-raids, releasing the sun and stealing the waters - "movable bovine wealth" - the re-direction of the flow of the waters into a new path (creating thirst) and thinning the other down… is what a thorn is.
(Removing) The obstacle.


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"Depression can also be the result of disenchantment [corr. to thurisaz] with an idealized object/objective, one it is approached, or attained to a degree.
The disappointment caused by the discrepancy [corr. to tiwaz] between the IDEAL and the REAL causes the mind to flinch backwards, back into its cranial shell.
A period of depression follows. Then a new IDEAL goads the mind out of itself."

Black Panther wrote:
Consumerism is a form of the Horned One. It reflects "creation of harsh conditions" but not in the street but in the heart. These who manage to turn consumerism to a noble advantage, (greatly the Gemini-Sagittarius axis) are the 'artist tyrants'.

Lyssa wrote:
Narcissus paralyzed to his death unto his own logic and solipsism, needs to be pulled back by Echo. … an echo of the beauty of the past and that of the task of the future.

Fehu of the "herd"-raids, releasing the sun and stealing the waters - "movable bovine wealth" - the re-direction of the flow of the waters into a new path (creating thirst) and thinning the other down… is what a thorn is.
(Removing) The obstacle.






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"The new paradigm of self-organization in complex adaptive systems has been elucidated by Holland (1998, pp. 229-231) and others. In complex adaptive systems a limited number of simple elements spontaneously assemble themselves into a hierarchy of increasing levels of complexity. It is now recognized that all living systems self-organize in this way. It follows that the personality, because it is a living system, must also organize itself from a limited number of simple psychological elements (McDowell 2001, p. 653: Endnote). Included amongst these elements would be any sensory image which is reliably acquired very early in development. An interesting implication of this paper is that we may identify some of the initial elements from which the personality self-organizes.

At birth the infant emerges from a container, the womb, which had previously met all needs. The infant's personality must then organize itself to ensure continued physical and psychological containment. Stern (1977, p. 37) has shown that at about six weeks, for example, the infant learns to make eye contact with the mother. Eye contact stimulates the mother to play more with the infant. She plays with facial expression, with voice, with face presentations, with head movements, and with proximity games. Thus she contains her infant's impulse to play.

To ensure eye contact the infant must learn to recognize the mother's eye. This means that the infant must, in some sense, acquire an internal image of the eye. (In order to recognize something I must have a stored internal image to compare it with.) Several lines of biological evidence show that an image in the cerebral cortex cannot be genetically pre-wired: the total number of genes is too small, human evolution is too fast relative to genetic change, and most wiring in the cortex is determined by sensory input (McDowell 2001, pp. 640-2: Genes and self- organization; Genes and behavior). If the image of the mother's eye is not pre-wired in the cortex, then it must be acquired through the senses from the environment.

The infant's situation may, in a broad sense, be analogous to that of a newly-hatched gosling. A gosling must imprint an image of its mother soon after hatching. During this critical period it will imprint the image of any agent to which it is exposed (the agent must satisfy some general parameters concerning height and clarity of edge). From then on only that agent will elicit following behavior. If the gosling imprints the wrong image then its following behavior will be bizarrely maladaptive (Lorenz 1970).

For the gosling the image of the mother releases an instinctual behavior. Because the human infant's behavior is more malleable, the image of the mother's eye must function in a more complex manner. It functions, I hypothesize, as the symbol of containment.

The first hypothesis is that the acquisition of a visual image of the mother's eye is a critical very early step in development. Once acquired the image is associated with, and begins to symbolize, containing. (If the infant is frightened, for example, and the mother provides appropriate soothing, then the mother encompasses or contains the infant's feeling. Here 'symbolize' means that when the infant seeks containing the infant seeks an external agent which resembles the image; when the infant sees such an agent, the infant feels contained.) In adult life the image continues to symbolize containing and will appear, for example, in dreams. If an adult has had early narcissistic injury then containing was disturbed in infancy. The adult may then have disturbed images of the eye.('Early narcissistic injury' is an early injury to self-esteem. In adult life symptoms may include an exaggerated desire for attention, self-reference, controlling behavior, difficulty in recognizing the reality of another person, difficulty in accepting limits, grandiose fantasies, and chronic anger with outbursts of rage when wishes are disappointed.)

The personality cannot develop without containing. If the infant fails to acquire the image of the eye in the first weeks of life, the likely result, I argue, would be a pervasive cascade of developmental failure. This leads to the second hypothesis: failure to acquire (or to retain) the image of the mother's eye is the primary deficit or primary cause of autism.

Autism varies greatly in degree.

A child with classic autism has more severe symptoms including, in social behavior:

"marked impairment ... of nonverbal behavior such as eye-to-eye gaze, facial expression, body postures, and gestures to regulate social interactions; failure to develop peer relationships; ... lack of showing, bringing, or pointing out objects of interest; lack of social or emotional reciprocity; failure to distinguish among persons; language that is not used for ... interpersonal communication, but is characterized by echolalia ... and references to the self in third person (Rapin 1997)."

A corollary of the second hypothesis is that mild autistic traits may be caused by a disturbance in the acquisition or functioning of the image of the eye. Two predictions follow: (1) adults with mild autistic traits may (like adults with early narcissisitc injury) produce disturbed images of the eye; (2) adults with mild autistic traits may also have symptoms of narcissistic injury. I describe two cases in which these predictions were confirmed."

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Since Narcissism is perception-based, Narcissus being pulled back by Echo is in the houses of Leo [child] and Virgo [maiden]. Although Venus rules the eye, perception/light is the sun.

The Virgin sacrifices herself to unite the sun with the father (invisible horned one) is the common theme. - Being and Time.
Saturn rules the spinal axis and all the joints. And after 9, 10 is death - Time, by old count.
"Time is out of joint" is the chronic/chronos illness.

The stomach is the house of consumption/digestion/health.
In economic terms, Virgo is the house of performance, service, method, quality control, efficiency.
And saturn the infrastructure, the joints.

A poor mother-child perceptive connection in Leo [fifth house determining childhood, children and joy], causes a Narcissistic self-absorption in its own aura. It disrupts the virgin [spinster] to weave about. Performance becomes Performativity for its own sake, and efficiency loses all noble aim [sun]. Output [pisces] for its own sake becomes an aphrodisiac [pisces] in parallel.

In Marxist history or in general, capitalism begins with agriculture and storage of grains in temples prompting the use of measures [all virgo].

Demeter or her brighter half Persephone/Kore - the "abducted aim":

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Capitalism is all about exploitation of and capitalizing on energy [leo], and vigour [virgo].

Virgo is virga is vir is virile is virtus is virtue.

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"A male was transformed into a man by the willful expenditure of energy. Above all, a man willed himself to be expendable. Like the sun, a man fed the fire of his honor on his own substance. The magnus animus, the animus virilis, squadered itself in contempt of its own dear life. Virgil's Euryalus declares to Nisus: "Here, here is a soul that scorns the light of life and holds that honor you are aiming at as cheaply bought if all its price is life" (Aeneis).

Livy's Torquatus argues against redeeming the Roman soldiers captured at Cannae with the following words: "Fifty thousand citizens and allies lay dead around you on that day. If so many exempla virtutis did not move you, nothing will ever move you; if such a great disaster did not make you hold your lives cheaply, nothing will ever make you do so" (Livy). It was the unnaturalness, the artifice of his ac- tions that, for the Romans, told the will of a vir. Being a man was a mannerism.

As an aside, the absence of a "feminine" version of virtus is not as puzzling or insulting as it might seem. Because it did not come naturally for a male to have virtus, it was no less natural for the Romans to attribute virtus to a female, who, equally unnaturally, showed exceptional will and energy. The virtus on which Plautus's feisty Alcmena prides herself is the energy she has shown both in preserving her chastity and in defending it (Amphitruo When...,Cicero praised the virtus of Caecilia, he was admiring the diligence, the energy, the courage, and the resolve with which she protected his client Roscius from Sulla and his favorite Chrysagonus.

The Romans associated virtus with vis, vires (physical power, vigor, vitality, energy, violent or forceful action). Accordingly, they also associated vir with vis and with viriditas, the flourishing vigor and potency of youth. But it is important to note that they also associated the female virgo (or vira) with the same notions.The vir and the virgo had in common youthful vigor, growth, fertility, freshness, and energy. The deliberate wasting of oneself and one's forces was a form of generosity, of liberality. Horace describes Aemilius Paulus, the conqueror of Macedonia, as "prodigal of his great spirit" (animae magnae prodigum Paulum [Carmina).

When, in the early fourth century..., a crevice mysteriously opened in the Forum, the soothsayers declared that if the Romans wished the Republic to endure forever (si rem publicam Romanam perpetuam esse vellent), they must sacrifice the greatest source of their strength. The valiant young warrior Marcus Curtius stepped forth. After admonishing his fellows that the strength of Rome lay in arma virtusque, devoted himself to a sacrificial death. Fully armed and riding a horse splendidly caparisoned, he leapt into the chasm (Livy).

For the Romans, the voluntary death of a Curtius or a Decius Mus was, to use the words of Bakhtin, "a pregnant and birth-giving death." And so Roman virtus, the aggressive and self-aggrandizing will of the strutting warrior (with its potential to disrupt all bonds and balance within Roman society) was controlled by its expiatory, sacrificial aspects; a man atoned for expanding by expending his being, by wasting the breath of his life. "Manhood," as Gilmore explains, "is the defeat of childhood narcissism."

In the Roman contest culture, then, to will death was not to deny life but to carve its contour. The contest drew its profile on the moment between exhilaration and annihilation, the electric and terrifying moment of the sacred.
"Who, with the prospect of envy, death, and punishment staring him in the face, does not hesitate to defend the Republic, he truly can be reckoned a vir" (Cicero, Pro Milone).

For Yolande Grisé, a voluntary death could express the intensity of the Roman love of life and of action..." [C.Barton, Roman Honour, p.53-58]

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PostSubject: Re: Tantric Sex Sun May 01, 2016 1:34 pm

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Uruz.

...the power that cannot be owned in a single self.

The phrase "crossing the rubicon", also called the "point of no return".
"The point of no return is the point beyond which one must continue on one's current course of action because turning back is physically impossible, prohibitively expensive or dangerous." Mathematically, the exponential surge.

In the blessed state, the "must" disappears, and one can continue on, without falling back. Like one has cleared a threshold that sustains on its own. Uruz is that vitality and perseverance. The runic pictogram here is the hoof of the wild beast taking its first foot foward... the first break-through, the first dawn of a new day, a daring courage, the first confidence. Sweeping change, a revolution. Raw, primal virility.

Anglo-Saxon has:
"Ur (iron-slag or possibly drizzle) proceeds from brittle iron.
The reindeer often runs on icy snow."

To dance on ice or by extension slippery mud is a power also called grace. You need Uruz' shape-sustaining power when there is no ground.
"The organic patterning energy of Uruz laces up the skin, sustains the ego and can be used to protect the psyche from trauma. Self-healing is the energy which pulls a diseased or ill form back toward its ‘primal blueprint’: the original, invisible shape intended by nature’s design."

Lost things are restored to its pristine, ice-clear form.
The congealing or coagulating power in blood.

Reconstructions of a victim's parts to the destructive primal forces of the fire, earth, etc. are here.
GvL. calls it the rune of the doctor, and

"The basis of all manifestation is the Primeval. Whoever is able to recognise the cause of an event, to him the phenomenon itself does not seem to be an insoluble puzzle -- be this fortunate or unfortunate -- and therefore he is able to banish misfortune or increase luck, but also to recognise false evil and false luck as such.
Therefore: Know yourself, then you will know all!"

Thus, its also marking off territories, and vice-versa, to be free of containment when used as a protection.

Ur is in the very urge, stamina, the impulse to be, replacing what has shed, matter adapting like ley lines creating a path, shape-shifting power of the Actor, of alien donor transplants, etc. The materialization of thought, idea - so, role-models who draw up and raise individuals and individuality from undifferentiated mess. Pygmalion love, the coming alive in flesh, orgasm, liberations in mass orgies. While fehu is portable wealth, uruz is the phenomenal and unmanifest power of money, possessions that can shape the future. Data restoration, information architects,
vitality of our earth-roots, chthonic power of our ancestral roots, pictorially like a portal one draws back from. Also our very body like a vessel that can hold the transcendent without being shattered by the terrific numinous. Scapegoats that take your place, literally recreating you in the sacrificial animal in your stead, and therefore the debt that "weighs you down" like gravity. I'll have to think more later and add to it.


Being May 1st, more on Uruz, minus the obvious gnosticisms:

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Exaltation of the Moon in Taurus
 Monique Pommier  © 1997


"The cosmic Moon—universal substance

The second statement from the astrological tradition about planetary exaltations – “The Moon is exalted in Taurus” – responds to the first one  – “The Sun is exalted in Aries” – as its universal counterpart.

When life is “launched” and the One begins to manifest, matter responds and forms begin to ascend from the formless whole.  Evoked by the very emanation of spirit out of its primordial Oneness, matter offers its “other”ness to substantiate the One, its Dark to reflect Light — the light in which the World-Self begins to discover its face.

This Other who “seconds” the manifestation of the one is thus dual. It is both the ex pression of the One Self, and the impressed sub-stance which supports Its manifestation or the veil which underlies Its revelation. Matter is stirred by what it  both “hears” and em-bodies, as it begins to take and reveal the forms of Being.

Universal substance, the womb of the “Mother of all forms,” is an archetypal Moon; for the universe is to the living One as a cosmic Moon, a glowing reflection of his glory and the growing  womb of his becoming.


The archetypal “second” : the duality of “Form”

When the One Ram “springs” out of universal hibernation, a world emerges, a land opens under its feet. Taurus opens its zodiacal field to the Aries sower. The promised land looms on the horizon of the primordial “I Am,” bringing forth in its honey and milk the luminous and pristine delight of the divine Beginning at work within it.

When the Sun emits the first rays of dawn (Aries), symbolically yet ever so vividly, the sensory world appears and the landscape of life takes shape (Taurus).

In this second step of the “One”, which Taurus represents in relation to Aries and the Moon in relation to the sun, duality begins its tenuous course of beauty within the many forms. Form is that which ceaselessly bears through existence a transient blend of life and of the matter which vibrates to such life, an ephemeral union of light with a corresponding density which holds and conveys it, a fusion of substance informed and of the spirit informing it. As the spirit which coalesced them withdraws, forms – whether of a plant or a human being – are released and disintegrate.  Thus fleetingly, forms stand; and with all the spiritual designs they represent and the life they bear, it is the resistance and opacity of matter which constitute their very capacity to reflect.

It is this duality of “form” as life (A) and matter (T), organized matter and objectified life, which is symbolised in the moon and exalted in Taurus — the second sign of the Zodiac, the number 2  which responds to the emergence of the 1 as the deployment of its land and the landscape of its forms.  Taurus is the sign of the divine meadow which spreads out under the world-seed of the cosmic Sower to give it substance and form. It signifies the matter of Life, the clay of the world-Self, the body of God.


The Cow — a moonlike archetype of “Form”

It is illuminating to see the two faces of Form “exalted” in a clairvoyant description of the cow given by Rudolf Steiner, for it grants the body and “weight” of a spiritual fact – hidden in the earthly cow – to the philosophical contemplation of the archetype of Form in the celestial cow— Taurus.

The remarkable aura of the cow is in such marked contrast to earthly existence because it is entirely cosmic…  There is a whole world in the astral organism of the cow, but everything is based on gravity, everything is so organized, that the earth gravity works there… Each day, the cow must metabolize 1/8 of her weight.  This binds the cow with its material substance to the earth; yet,through its astralityit reflects the entire cosmos in a wonderful light filled way…  When one sees the digestive process in the cow with the eye of the spirit, it is beautiful, it is magnificent, it is something of a tremendously spiritual nature.  The cow lives here on earth, but through this fact, it creates in physical matter that is subject to gravity, an image of something superearthly. It is the animal which continually spiritualizes the earth, and continually gives to the earth that spiritual substance which it has taken from the cosmos.

To the clairvoyant eye, the cow reveals itself as an image in the meadows of earth of the body of the cosmos (T) in the meadow of Space. It offers a metaphor of Form itself, and mirrors in its spiritual nature the character of its counterpart in the zodiac — Taurus. An exaltation of the archetype of Form resonates back and forth between the cow of earth and the Taurus of heaven — between the animal of nature and the living principle in the universal psyche.

Such an exalted vision of the cow may have been what the Egyptians perceived as they worshipped the cosmic Goddess Cow, or the lunar Bull with long curving horns: “Hathor, the Cow-Goddess, stood upon the earth in such a way that her four legs were the pillars of the four quarters.  Her belly was the firmament.”

While Steiner saw in the aura of the cow the entire light-filled cosmos, the Egyptians saw the cosmos in the form of a cow. This intriguing reversal – from seeing the whole in the shape of a part, to seeing the living whole contained in the same part, reflects and illustrates the reversal of rapport and relative position which gradually took place between man and the world with the birth of individualized thinking — on one hand, the internalisation of the gods, who “walked” into the human psyche (from mythology to psychology) at the time of the Greeks; on the other hand the incipient insight of the individual self into the psyche of the world, now perceived as distinct from his own, and reflecting it.

From either side of man’s relation to “self,” the Egyptian vision and that of the modern Initiate both reveal the cow as a model of cosmos. In reflecting quite literally the idea associated with the zodiacal Cow – that of the archetype of Form  – they inspire reverence for the wisdom of the zodiacal “signs.”

The dual nature Steiner sees in the cow – a face of material substance, and a face of cosmic light – is akin to what one perceives, spread in time, as the Moon waxes and wanes, from a dark new Moon to a fully lighted Moon, from a beaming Moon to a “dead” Moon. This resonance, the ancient civilizations experienced and celebrated when they enacted in the physical fields of the earth the dying and rebirth of the Moon in the celestial fields. Joseph Campbell describes how in Egyptian times, the Apis Bull, “The black Bull engendered by a moon-beam”… was “ceremonially slain upon attaining the age of 25, then embalmed and buried”, while a new incarnation of the God was sought. This black Apis bull was said to be an incarnation of the god Ptah, whose name – “The Risen Land” – fuses the creative, “arising” power of the Sun-Ram with the substantiating, enfleshing, “land-ing” nature of the Moon-Bull: “It is he who made all and brought the gods into being. He is verily The Risen Land that brought forth the gods.”

All along we see how the black corpse of matter and the luminous God of Life alternate in the contemplation of the Moon, as in the contemplation of all forms.

The journey of the “form,” exalted  in Taurus—towards harmony, through conflict

Once a form is born, it begins to exist as a temporary embodiment of spirit and an organization of substance. It senses the life of its self-containment and lives within the gravitation and gravity of its own space. The enclosure of spirit which substance has become by virtue of its responsiveness, wishes then to exist for itself and to perpetuate its separateness. In the era of the Bull, the Egyptians mummify their physical bodies, and bury them with their material treasures. “The desire to materialize” manifests quite concretely in this insistence for the preservation of the physical form. The ghosts of lives gone by, the masks of long transmigrated “suns” stare like an archetypal full Moon from the Egyptian legacy. However, what is reflected in these forms maintained against their transient nature, is also Egypt’s vivid belief in the immortality of the soul.

In our time, as densely if not as concretely, it is the astral body, by its very nature of inwardness and sentiency, its awareness of separateness and desires, which epitomizes the gap, the interplay and the struggle between the self-seeking nature of the form and its selfless function (Both the Moon and Taurus convey the fourth Ray of Harmony through Conflict). Nurtured by the activity which responds to impression by sensation, the sentient nature tends to appropriate that which it senses for its own preservation, pleasure or suffering. The “gravity” of its separate existence binds it to its transient center. However, while the desiring nature of its sub-stance claims the astral land, the desiring soul “standing” within it moves and emotes to the pull of another gravity. The life refracted in the astral consciousness “wishes” to organ-ise its sensitivity into a clear instrument of perception and response, a reflector of the unitive light which pervades existence.

“Will the Taurus of desire or the Taurus of illumined divine expression triumph?"

We see how the question of Taurus is indeed the question of the form. It speaks to the ambivalence of the Moon, magnified and exalted when the Moon is held in the zodiacal body of the Bull. The exalted Moon, illumined in the cosmic image of the cow, is the prefigure of an astral body cleared and stilled to reflect and to hold, to hear and to conceive. In this elaboration of a translucid sense organ for the psyche, there is much inspiration to be drawn from Steiner’s description of what our sense-organs have long been offering us:”We have eyes in our body; through these eyes we see, but only because they are selfless and we do not feel them. We see things through them, but the eyes themselves are apart from our perception… If our eyes were as selfish as we are in our moral, intellectual and emotional life.. all our impressions would give us sucking or stabbing pains. Today, however, unselfishness reigns in our senses…” while as of now, the sentient “moon” within the human being continues to fluctuate between a moon filled with itself, and a moon filled with the Self. This the lunations rhythmically enact, as month after month, the Moon empties itself of its dark inwardness to let a waxing Sun grow within it.

In Taurus, the gift and purpose of the form is seen in all its glory, as vessel of the world and matrix of the universe. In Taurus, the form fashions itself into a perfected organ of sensitive response — an eye of reflection, a larynx of utterance, a womb of fiat, an ear of annunciation.

The Persian Poet Rumi evokes this annunciation of the light within the form:

"Oh Mary, look well for I am a form difficult to discern. I am a new Moon, I am an Image in the heart.

When an Image enters your heart and establishes itself, you flee in vain: The Image will remain within you, unless it is a vain fancy without substance, sinking and vanishing like a false dawn.  But I am like the true dawn, I am the light of your Lord."

Or in A. Bailey’s words,

"Without the form, and without the ability to bear in mind the need to respond sensitively to the environing conditions and circum-stances, the soul would never awaken to knowledge in the three worlds and, therefore, would never know God in manifestation."



The Exaltation in a Chart

From the Minotaur to the Eye of the Bull

In an individual chart, the placement of the Moon in Taurus may certainly indicate that “the form side of life is a powerful factor of domination.”

If the person is essentially self-centered, the astrality will be actively self-seeking and self-absorbed. In response to Venus, the exoteric ruler of Taurus, the instinctual nature, indulgent and tenacious, feeds its “minotaur” with the delights of the earth. It seeks to acquire, feed and secure itself with possessions and pleasures. The lower aspect of the form is here intensified; the retentive rumination of what has been accumulated or buried weighs down the response to life. The focalization on the need for material security or emotional permanence stares in the inner sky, whether it be from a place of lack or one of indulgence. Love is obscured by possessiveness. Forms of self-indulgence congest the organ of receptivity.  The “prison of the soul” is exalted.

For the individual who walks his/her conscious steps from the “form side of life” to its spirit in the increasing light of the soul, discontent with the divided existence of “I”/”have”, or deflected by circumstances from a blind identification with self-preservation and form gratification (physical or emotional), the Moon in Taurus stages a battlefield (fourth ray) between the will of the form to accumulate and maintain, to preserve and enjoy, and the will-to-BE of the essence it is meant to hold and manifest.

The person is engaged in the process of spiritualizing the cradle of his being (a), of cleansing his manger, that his ox may behold and reflect where it used to chew; speak and birth the self where it used to eat the not-self.

When the will is purified, at-oned and single-eyed like the Cyclops who work with Vulcan (the esoteric ruler of Taurus) in the forges of the world, the prison is made into a temple. Increasingly full-filled with the light of the now and its invaluable truth, the form begins to fulfill its purpose.

Hat-hor, the Cow-Goddess, bears Horus “with-the-falcon-eye” — the  eye and sun of the cosmic Cow.  The Taurus moon, increasingly illumined by the soul nature – “bearing the sun” – becomes ultimately an EYE of revelation.

…”Through its astrality,  it reflects the entire cosmos in a wonderful light filled way…”

When filled with the light of Self, the form becomes an eye of revelation. “The ‘eye of the bull’ is the eye of revelation.” The exaltation in Taurus suggests the enduring, persistent dream of illumination which waxes and wanes within the inconsistent eye of the Moon, prompting the lunar nature to clear itself of its glamours and illusions to become a luminous, translucid vessel, a pure and single eye for spirit to reveal itself in the form side of life.

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To bring a vision to birth and fruition; to reveal oneSelf – to reveal the soul – in the exalted “materials” of art;

To “translate the ideals into words and acts, [and pursue] the creative work of materializing the vision;”

To create a space, build a form where more of the Real may be “imagined” or embodied in beauty —”To create in physical matter… an image of something superearthly…”

To incarnate light in translucent colors, inspired compositions or uplifting designs;

To see matters of security and economics from the eye of the whole. To approach them with the care required for the physical body of humanity — a sacred  Cow indeed;

Such are some of the faculties of the exalted Moon.


Carl Jung

Carl Jung exemplifies in a most interesting way this exaltation of the Moon in Taurus.  Pluto was conjunct his third house Moon in Taurus. This enhanced and quickened the process of cleansing and elimination that was to clear an organ (Moon) – “clear a throat” (third house Taurus) – for the unconscious forces (Pluto) of the psyche, his own as well as those of his clients, to find their voice. Not only did his own purified sensitivity become such an organ of  “hear”ing, but so did the self-hearing process of “active imagination” he created. This image-making “larynx” he devised as a womb-like psychological space for the unregistered wills and unfathomed depths of the human psyche to “become bearable” and be “born” in the light of consciousness. He helped the many people he touched to recognize and develop this faculty as a method to both envision and incorporate (the two sides of Moon in Taurus) the informulable truths of the psyche.

In this “imaging” activity, we see how both the containing and the formative power of the Moon are exalted in its true “seconding” function — that of midwife and mother of the world-Self, sub-conscious land of the unfolding individuality, and “risen land” of the emerging sun of self. It is interesting to take notice, in the light of our considerations about the duality of “form” and the nature of the “second”, of the speaking and hearing character of this practice — formative for the chaotic matters of the unconscious, and informative for the self.

Jung also used his deepening “eye” of receptivity to “take hold” of the unconscious (Moon Pluto) in his approach to dreams – another lunar activity. In dreams, he learned to behold myth-like formulations of the imprisoning contents of a client’s psyche. By assisting in bringing these contents to light, he helped the individual “clear” his prison and bring about a slow metamorphosis – a change of form – of the prison into a temple.


The Taurus House

The house occupied by Taurus in an individual chart offers insights into the phase of one’s relation to the form side of life— anywhere between blind attachment and light-filled embodiment.

This is the area where the obstination of old conditionings and insecurities, egocentric desires or resistances can be most entrenched and limiting, where the pull of materiality (in whatever form), the tendency to “hold one’s own” and self-indulge can be at their strongest; where it is to be “feared that the Taurus will blunder blindly forward in his own self-interest.”

Here lies also the opportunity for radical transformations, “profound disruptions and alterations,”[20] as the hammer of the “Fashioner of divine expression” becomes increasingly efficient in the waxing light of the soul. In the forge of this house, if the soul is actively present in the life, Vulcan is at work destroying the lumps of self-insistence and the forms of retentiveness which opacify the body of the soul and hoarsen the voice of the Self. It fashions the acquiescence (Venus) of the instrument to the Life that seeks to resound within its form (Vulcan).

Will this be the house of the golden calf or that of the Sacred Cow?

Will it be a land of milk and honey, or the tomb of a mummy buried with its treasures?


The Moon in a Chart

As to the Moon itself, exalted for better and for worse in the Bull of God or the Bull of earth,  what does its placement by sign and house indicate in the individual chart?

The Moon lends us the passive forces of gravity and the “negative” support of past substance and consciousness without which there would be no vehicle for a soul to incarnate — no echo chamber to reproduce that semblance of the cosmic “machine”: the human organism; no separate physicality to conceive and express self; no brain to form representations of the world; no sentiency to form and transform our feeling response to life.

The Moon represents the capacity of substance to respond, as well as its faculty to receive and contain, evoke and bear, protect and nurture Life. It is the subtle “body” of the psyche, and its placement by sign indicates the energy quality (with its dense face of need and its lighted face of nurturance) in which our consciousness instinctively both vehiculates and expresses itself .

The formative responsiveness of the Moon is associated  with Cancer, the sign it rules and the spiraling-in vortex through which the spirit is said to descend into matter according to the Pythagorean symbolism of the “gate of men.” The exaltation in Taurus suggests the ways in which this (Cancer) moon-process furthers itself when “exalted”:

On one hand, it may loose its fluid adaptability and vulnerability as it slows down into the solid earth element (T) and densifies into the definite shapes where patterns of motion have “mineralized” (similar to the  spinal like columns of sand which tides leave along the shore). Habitual responses become the habitat of security as well as the entrapping formations of habits — the ways in which we find our instinctive “bearings” through existence as well as the fixed responses that protect us from the threat of the unfamiliar while often blinding us to the truth of the moment.

On the other hand, as we saw above, the habitat is also the latent abode of the light; the evolving bearer of that which seeks an organ of appropriate response; eventually a clear and sensitive vehicle for one of the twelve zodiacal principles.

So the sign of the Moon will indicate, along with its exoteric ruler, the specific “rut” of the personality, its type of “blind rush,” atavistic need or cherished selfishness; the “unpromising land” of the life; the particular cravings which animate the self-serving life of the vehicles or the automatisms by which the personality seeks to protect the instinctual ground of its existence.

The sign and its esoteric ruler will suggest the true function of the vessel of consciousness fashioned and toned by a dominant orientation of past life experiences.

The interplay of influence between the two rulerships of the Moon sign will reflect the struggle the individual faces in turning his prison into a temple by “con-forming” his astral and etheric sheaths to their purpose as chalices of the Self. This particular interplay reveals for each of us the specific way in which the crescent of the personality may grow to host the solar light.


The Fall of the Moon in Scorpio

The fall of the Moon in Scorpio describes the process through which the form may actually be “raised in heaven, thus irradiated and glorified” in Taurus.

In Scorpio, the sign of the “triumphant disciple,” that which does not reflect the unifying light of soul and does not hear the sound of the soul’s voice is eliminated and eradicated. The old form “disappears” in the trans-formative pyres of Mars and Vulcan.

The “Fall of the Moon in Scorpio” is a statement of opportunity as well as limitation:

It is a statement of limitation in that in this sign of intense struggle, compulsions and conflicts between obsessive instincts and desires (exoteric Mars) and the will to release or be released (esoteric Mars), the form still fights for its survival. The “Passion” of all the passions is endured. As the form descends in the depths of chaos and torments, as it is eaten up by the blind hydras of self-will, it cannot rest as a mirror nor bear the light of a Sun. It cannot hold and behold, contain and reflect. As the struggle of transformation rages in the personality-centered man, the vessel is molten, the mother cannot bear the son— the Moon falls.

The opportunity is great however for “the form to cease to dominate” in such an incarnation; for the astral body to cleanse itself and emerge out of the circling pursuits of its inferno; for Lot to walk away from Sodom in flames, while his form, which still reflects the past –  his “wife” who “looks back” – is turned into a pillar of salt. The past conditionings which hold back the “hastening life” (Mars, the esoteric ruler) are broken down, melted by Vulcan acting through the sixth ray power to “kill out desire”(Mars). The work of extermination proceeds and the devouring mothers of the Christ within lose their grip and are overcome.

If indeed the selfishness of “the personality is completely defeated,” the death of the smothering form will liberate the power of the indwelling self— the natural power (natural because now part of the Moon “nature”) to serve as a catalyst for others in the dispelling of their self-imprisoning ways and glamorized personality traits. Having allowed the death of the old instinctual bull, the Moon may now fully “conceive” in the light of its falcon eye and bear in its clarified womb the desire of another human being to release itself – a truer Self – from the demands of the lunar nature. The conquered light of one becomes the dynamic mirror of another.

This, the Moon in Scorpio is destined to become: a healing mirror and a cathartic reflector for the will to transform the obscure conditionings of the psyche— the will to descend with the light of the “Sun” in the sub-conscious “material” of the Moon, dispel encrustations of memories and images, traverse the old instinctual fleshes of the psyche and “rain” on their blind compulsions “with sulfur and fire” — the will to shed the old skins of the Self as pillars of salt.

"Becoming lightning, the cow has thrown back the veil"

                                                (Rigveda)  


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It is rare that one sees the feminine and masculine depicted in these proportions. I like the effect of this,

There was a thread on ILP about holiness. I took it in the direction of its etymological roots, wholeness, a thing that must remain whole. It took many words to arrive nowhere. It needs to be expressed; things must be made greater (or smaller) than they appear to show the qualities that bind them.

It appears then that Uruz is the abyss itself, as being-crossed; it is the unity of the sexes, the thing that binds because it separates, the endless well of force that responds to every profound beckoning by two opposites with a volcanic upheaval of tectonic shifts to accommodate that which wants to become. So Uruz is rightly associated with childbirth.

The Indians, who indeed did take astrology from Alexander, place great importance on the fixed stars, Aldebaran in the case of Taurus, the bulls-eye.
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This red star is now in Gemini in our Equinoxic Zodiac.

Come to think of it, the planet of Kings, Regulus of the South, recently crossed out of Leo, into Virgo. The Aries-Taurus dualism is repeated three times, now again in Leo-Virgo. Virgo, I decided, is described best as "I perfect".
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PostSubject: Re: Tantric Sex Sun May 29, 2016 12:49 am

Perfecting as in closing the gap; what starts out in Aries comes to completion in Virgo; where Aries is the quick fuck, Virgo may be the protracted act that ensures that all potential is circulated and accounted for in knowledge of some blissful thing that obviously no words can express; it has always seemed to me that Virgo is the most sexual sign, the sign most capable of controlling it, harnessing it. It spills out in Libra, in a new found innocence that contains in its seed all the wickedness of all the six first signs combined; those treasures operate subconsciously and well-spread.... until in Scorpio they begin to emerge with individual wills, and a world is born where the philosopher must speak before there is any sign of a possible order. The devil is basically the one who heeds the philosopher. And the happy man is he who profits of the work of the devil and the philosopher and befriends the dark deeds of Scorpio... which then amounts in the a-moral pathos of Pisces, which simply is (a perfect opposite to Virgo's labored perfection; Pisces is then the work of Virgo completed), as is reflected in Aries, the new beginning that emerges from it. As the plot thickens nature proves an ingenious writer.
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PostSubject: Re: Tantric Sex Sun May 29, 2016 10:34 am

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The Indians, who indeed did take astrology from Alexander

Xander/Contra-Nietzsche is his own refutation.

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, place great importance on the fixed stars, Aldebaran in the case of Taurus, the bulls-eye.

Fixed star charts are so much more detailed and the division of rulership degree by degree allows for excellent sophistications. For instance, whoever has the Aries birthstar between 0 - 13 degrees fall under the archetype of the Dioscouri or the Asvin twins [stars β and γ Arietis - ruled by the south node], with interests in the healing arts, new rejuvenators, magnetic therapies, fascination for honey and bee-hives ecology which were the oldest medicines, etc.

Between, 13 - 26 degrees, they fall under the sign of Ymir or Yama - 35, 39, and 41 Arietis ruled by Venus.
They too are the sacrificed twins of the first man Mannaz and Manu resp.
Its the star of restraint, where you also get the terms for control in yoga - "ni-yama, prana-yama", etc.
Physical discipline becomes a strong focus.
Enormous responsibilities are taken up or shoved on them.
"Since Yama was the first to come to earth, and the first to die, they may be the first to try or do things."
Pioneers out of the two deaths. And Ymir, whose death forms the elements of the world; death becomes a foundation.

Aldebaran, 'The Red One' falls under the sign of The Architect, the matter-builder.

There are stories, mythologies, folk-wisdom and tales behind all of this, great accretions of wealth handed down, that make it possible for astrology to be an art and a science.

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Perfecting as in closing the gap; what starts out in Aries comes to completion in Virgo; where Aries is the quick fuck, Virgo may be the protracted act that ensures that all potential is circulated and accounted for in knowledge of some blissful thing that obviously no words can express; it has always seemed to me that Virgo is the most sexual sign, the sign most capable of controlling it, harnessing it. It spills out in Libra, in a new found innocence that contains in its seed all the wickedness of all the six first signs combined; those treasures operate subconsciously and well-spread.... until in Scorpio they begin to emerge with individual wills, and a world is born where the philosopher must speak before there is any sign of a possible order. The devil is basically the one who heeds the philosopher. And the happy man is he who profits of the work of the devil and the philosopher and befriends the dark deeds of Scorpio... which then amounts in the a-moral pathos of Pisces, which simply is (a perfect opposite to Virgo's labored perfection; Pisces is then the work of Virgo completed), as is reflected in Aries, the new beginning that emerges from it. As the plot thickens nature proves an ingenious writer.

Indeed.
Perfections are products of consistency built and reaped over generations, with careful breeding, fermenting.

Virgo::Pisces - Higher Sensibility::Higher Sensitivity

Also what that circulatory/distributive aspect means:

From the I in leo, the dimensional expansion via roles; agricultural surplus from self-sufficiency instantiates growth through differential roles, unified or dissolved in pisces.
The genius as the perfected process of selection, arrangement, cutting off, etc. is the man with diverse roles and contradictions under balance.
Libra - innocence of becoming; the scales say no one is responsible for being such and such as the abs. perspective - god, is lacking.
Renewal from tirelessness, Thaumazein - wonder like one were seeing it all over for the first time…, new details caught, the exalted mercury travels too fast, and so stored in silence… comes out in hazy visionary dreams and arts of the pisces - bread and wine. The pure insight to prophecies.

Mercredi - creed.

Labour possibly in the sense of vapors - which was another word for the psyche.
Wodan - fury - the berserker cult, with heroes like Cuchulain needing to cool off in three vats of cold water.

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vapor (n.) late 14c., from Anglo-French vapour, Old French vapor "moisture, vapor" (13c., Modern French vapeur) and directly from Latin vaporem (nominative vapor) "a warm exhalation, steam, heat," of unknown origin. Vapors "fit of fainting, hysteria, etc." is 1660s, from medieval notion of "exhalations" from the stomach or other organs affecting the brain.

From the point of view of the end of the cycle - the virgin maiden represents Being - the historical standard attained so far. Dike/libra judges, and the settlement of karmic debts fall in the house of remote slithering scales of times [scorpio].
Libra between Maiden and mineral that were once joined together as one woman, splits into good and evil - athena and medusa, etc.

The Woman always reveals the current state of A culture. She reveals the man-Become 'so far'. And Man is always a becoming;

Nietzsche wrote:
"*Woman fulfills, man promises.* -- Through woman, Nature shows what she [Nature] has brought to completion thus far; through man she shows, what she had to overcome on the way, but also, what *designs* she still has with man ["the human being"]. The perfect woman of every time is the idleness of the creator at every seventh day of culture, the reposing of the artist in his work." [Mixed Opinions and Maxims, 274]

While a closer approach exposes the Turmoil of Becoming, the ugliness, the transition, the impurity, the volatility of Nature…, at a distance, Woman is the Apollonian illusion, perfection of a steadfast grade of a culture; she IS the veil hiding the dionysian transitions of man's be-coming. Woman:Culture = Man:Art/Artist
In Pisces, the veils dissolve, the artist awakens.

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PostSubject: Re: Tantric Sex Tue May 31, 2016 2:38 am

Jupiter trasits into the house of Virgo at the individual level:

Jupiter marks long travels and explorations, while Mercury marks short stays and quick insights from the cross-roads, in and out fast.
These quick insights may turn fruitful when subjected and stretched to long explorations.
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The capacity to make long-range plans if one pays attention to details.
Again, with the Dharma Bull [jup.] and Safe Crossings [merc.],
"Raido means “ride” or “journey” and it is associated with becoming and, according to Edred Thorsson’s Runelore, “rightly ordered action.” In Collin Cleary’s essay, “Philosophical Notes on the Runes” in Summoning The Gods, he identifies Uruz as the “Will to Form” and links it directly with Raido, “Dynamic Order.”"

Practically, it could also mean, what you were searching for around the world is staring you right in the face, and so close to sight. The word mundane goes back to the axis-mundi, the great cosmic pole and the magic/medicinal wand of mercury.
Meaning, chance to see the exotic in the mundane.
A stronger correspondence between ritual routine and religious law, magic and religion.

Auspicious time for a marriage or meeting a mate/maiden, maybe literally a virgo, or exalted mercuries, or lucky meetings with spiritual or critical allies and wise-ards, at junctions, libraries, universities, spas, hospitals, music and media houses, internet etc. Soaking in the happiness of a generous-mind/s, literally "joyfull-wisdom".

On the downside, Jupiter shows a tendency to entertain ideas too grandiose for realization. Rushing into projects beyond one's capacity, over-optimism, impulsive judgements, dogmatic habits, decisions on insufficient informations, discrepancies between beliefs and facts, purely commercial trips, commercialization of wisdom, and of course healthwise, enlarging of appetite, excess cravings, liver damage, etc.

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PostSubject: Re: Tantric Sex Tue May 31, 2016 10:36 pm

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Libra - innocence of becoming; the scales say no one is responsible for being such and such

Damn, yes. Thats the core of Libran ethics.

The Virgo Jupiter is beautifying, indeed -
I now understand why the Theosophists have him exalted on the Hierarchic level in Virgo.

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PostSubject: Re: Tantric Sex Tue May 31, 2016 10:42 pm

Constellation/Sign -- Orthodox Ruler -- Esoteric Ruler--  Hierarchical Ruler

Aries -- Mars -- Mercury -- Uranus
Taurus -- Venus -- Vulcan -- Vulcan
Gemini -- Mercury -- Venus -- Earth
Cancer -- Moon -- Neptune -- Neptune
Leo -- Sun -- Sun [veiling Neptune]-- Sun [veiling Uranus]
Virgo -- Mercury -- Moon veiling Vulcan -- Jupiter
Libra -- Venus --Uranus -- Saturn
Scorpio -- Mars -- Mars -- Mercury
Sagittarius -- Jupiter -- Earth -- Mars
Capricorn -- Saturn -- Saturn -- Venus
Aquarius -- Uranus -- Jupiter-- Moon
Pisces -- Jupiter -- Pluto -- Pluto
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PostSubject: Re: Tantric Sex Wed Jun 01, 2016 7:31 am

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Thanks.

Pluto struck out of scorpio seems wide off though.

I am looking into the manifestations of north and south nodes; the nodes are "graspers", "seizers", and in this sense, "binders". I am interested in how they lend integration, as shadows of planets they mimick, natures they take on, because their "cut" is what cleaves the self into two, and where and how they need to come toegther.
Its the primal scar not only running across the self, but between the past and future.

The first knife-cut, opens the first perspective from which the self begins to operate, it seems.

Will summarize it later.

[Btw., if your readings are consistently turning out wrong, there's a good chance your horoscope you are looking at is itself an erroneous one. Just saying.]

Jupiter-in-6 thought of the day:

"Discovery, like surprise, favors the well-prepared mind."

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PostSubject: Re: Tantric Sex Thu Jun 02, 2016 2:15 pm

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Thanks.

Pluto struck out of scorpio seems wide off though.

By far the most apparent flaw. Yet, think of it in Pisces. Think of Satyr, for example.
Pluto in Virgo opposing all personal planets in Pisces.

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I am looking into the manifestations of north and south nodes; the nodes are "graspers", "seizers", and in this sense, "binders". I am interested in how they lend integration, as shadows of planets they mimick, natures they take on, because their "cut" is what cleaves the self into two, and where and how they need to come toegther.
Its the primal scar not only running across the self, but between the past and future.

The first knife-cut, opens the first perspective from which the self begins to operate, it seems.

Will summarize it later.

Yes, yes the dark luminaries, the great mysteries, do let me know of your findings.
My SN and Chiron are conjunct at 27 Aries in the 1st house, NN midpoint Libra Pluto and Scorpio Uranus (on Acrux)

A magician I communicated with said 90 percent of his clients had Nodes and/or Lilith on the 1/7 axis.

Obviously to have the SN in the 1st is problematic; old issues pushed to the foreground of the personality.
These issues run deep; by declination these nodes are conjunct (parallel) Pluto, Juno and Chiron.

Also by declination, Sun contra Saturn/Jupiter/Lilith.

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[Btw., if your readings are consistently turning out wrong, there's a good chance your horoscope you are looking at is itself an erroneous one. Just saying.]

No, that's never been a problem. Readings are consistent with experience. My father recorded the time like the scientist he is.

I just have the most complicated chart I've ever seen. Somehow fitting two grand squares and a full hexagram together with a few yods and quintileyods. The amount of transits in a week guarantees that I am almost never predicable to myself on a linear scale but given the circular consistency of the contact points there is little mystery for me in the nature of the dharma. I have no karma besides what survived exposure to dharma. A near psychosis that turned into a fanatic search for truth burned up whatever could not stand up both in the moment and after.

A mans mind is filled with the little cheats he performed during the day to get ahead; he is slightly cringed by them unless he is an outright criminal, in which case he is bluntly proud and ugly in a vigorous way.

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"Discovery, like surprise, favors the well-prepared mind."

As thoughts emerge like wood and leaf out of a plowed and fertilized land.
Cut yourself and shit in the wounds...
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PostSubject: Re: Tantric Sex Thu Jun 02, 2016 2:38 pm

Angles to the 5th and 8th house; to get back to Tantra.

Sex in general 5, the impulse of freedom in which it finds itself possible, and as such immediately desirable and natural. Sex as method in the 8th, not of rearing children but of exploring 'power' -; employing the 6th house, which is health, and the perfected form of the self-creating entity that bloomed in the 5th house.

Anyway, planets in these houses make sex into issues of these planets; eros is a state, not an entity, it is the co existence of two oppositions in a willing tension, so once these houses are charged, everything else depends on its management; this corresponds to the idea that polarity itself is the first hard principle; it softens the rest.

It is said often that aspects to the house cusps are important. What would say, a trine of Venus to the 5th and 8th house cusps mean?
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PostSubject: Re: Tantric Sex Fri Jun 03, 2016 6:40 am

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Thanks.

Pluto struck out of scorpio seems wide off though.

By far the most apparent flaw.

Including "earth" among the rulers smells new age.

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My SN and Chiron are conjunct at 27 Aries in the 1st house, NN midpoint Libra Pluto and Scorpio Uranus (on Acrux)

NN: Attachment/Integrating forces, the re-incarnate self, point of effort and destiny, potential to attain, indulgences, afflictions and fears.
SN: Detachment/Disintegrating forces, the karmic self, point of comfortable habit and natural ease, and release from, potential attained, enlightenment, bankruptcies and helplessness.

All the implications of Mind in the 7th, Body in 1, and how they must come to terms, stitch and re-member back into a whole...

Which constellation?
Maybe I could find a relatable mythology...

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Obviously to have the SN in the 1st is problematic; old issues pushed to the foreground of the personality.

Yes, it is. Karmic body not allowed to materialize into a self via self-expression [in 1], and somewhat like asking a prince to decenter himself from the throne.
It is stuck in past forms, because the mind in 7 is airy, switching and moving between decisions, too many choices, grounded by the wealth and inheritance from grand-parents and great grand-parents, and mental stimulation via partnerships and alliances, agreements, marital union in 7, etc.

It has come to incarnate in 7 to balance and span out self-centered past individualities attained in 1.
It has need for multiple perspective.

Ghosts take over, body exists as an eerie presence of crystallization of old forms that want to presence themselves into an influence levered by alliances and the need to take as much of the present into account.
Else, the body attritions into fragments, becoming absorbed with countless details, pieces of self left here and there, and dissolving away into nowhere.
Mind cant afford to dwell on the past, as the body is upto neck with it.
On the corollary, the body is willing to go alone and pioneer into directions where no one will follow, and no relationships will hold.

Unforgettable traumas, aggressive violence and past bloody incidents hold back the body; the mind seeks release in peace, happiness, beauty, love, ideals, ideal mate/s, in relations, which in 7 means - accidental relations, chance meetings, incidental opportunities, and disastrous relationships, radical shifts and commitment problems, self-deceit, being in denial, betrayals, fear of the foreign, of being poisoned, of loneliness, and cravings of power-hunger satisfied through luxury items, love and relationships to feel confident, death of partnersetc. etc.

That is focussing on the detrimental aspects, and discounting the factors of other planets and houses. I can see the necessity of a VO "for you" though...
Maybe a lahsunia or cat's eye ring.

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No, that's never been a problem. Readings are consistent with experience. My father recorded the time like the scientist he is.

What does he think of astrology as a physicist?
And what does he think of your VO from a scientific point of view?

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PostSubject: Re: Tantric Sex Fri Jun 03, 2016 6:42 am

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It is said often that aspects to the house cusps are important. What would say, a trine of Venus to the 5th and 8th house cusps mean?

Short answer in its positive banal aspects: the house of playful romance, love where the child in one can come out, feel nurtured creatively is attuned and guided along with the house of literally "I dig you" kind of magnetic love, possessive loyalty, healing and transformative sex - literally a recipe for a child with a creative outlet empowered with boundless energy.

Fun, fitness : Finesse, composure
Beautiful smile : Intense piercing gaze
Flirting, Flaunting : Intrigue, mystery
Need for attention : Need for intimacy
Compassion in a warm heart : Cool discriminate intelligence in a disarming mind
Disloyalty, lack of chivalry, and seriousness is unattractive : Weakness, laziness and cowardice is unattractive
Stimulated by affection, friendships, life : Stimulated by passion, challenges, death
Luxurious Soul : Luxurious Spirit

The pro-creative and the re-creative coming/alligning together.
[Creativity itself is 12.]

At the higher level, Venus overrules aesthetics, harmony, pleasure and its limits, alliance-contracts, marriage, garden and vine-yards, light-bringing, mirror-empathies, monster-doubles, tempters, [sym-phonic] orchestrators, seducers, the nymph, innocence, in-toxic-ations, overall force of attraction and the just establishment of worth. In trine over 5 and 8, philos [chivalrous love] perhaps is wedded to sheer kapsoura [intense, magnetic passion]…, the joining of not just two things, but opposites;

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"Venus, as noted earlier, was the name Varro gave to the procreative force that joins fire to water, male to female. This force, he says, is inherent in Victory as well, because when Victory overpowers, she also binds.
Like the newborn Venus rising from the sea, venustas, apparent beauty, is the visibility of the binding force that beauty generates through its power to inspire love.

According to Varro, Venus (love)—like proportion and symmetry, as Vitruvius repeatedly defines them—is a force that binds.
Varro presents the birth of Venus herself from the sea foam in a fusion of fire and water as the mythical paradigm for the binding force at the origin of all life. This force is the origin of coherence, universal concord, and community, wrote Plutarch, citing Greek sources, later in the second century A.D.;184 of all appearing in the world, according to Lucretius, whose De rerum natura Vitruvius knew, and who invokes Venus as “the pleasure [voluptas] of gods and men” at the opening of that great poem of cosmic order.

"Mother of Aeneas and his race [Aeneadum genetrix] . . . nurturing Venus, who beneath the smooth-moving heavenly signs fill with yourself the sea full-laden with ships, the earth that bears the crops, since through you every kind of living thing is conceived and rising up looks on the light of the sun . . . since . . . you alone govern the nature of things, since without you nothing comes forth into the shining borders of light, nothing joyous or lovely is made, you I crave as partner in writing [these] verses."

But the Venus Lucretius invokes at the opening of his poem is Aeneadum genetrix, mother of Aeneas’s race, ancestress of all Romans. She, Aeneas’s mother, had protected her son on his treacherous sea voyage to Italy, where he came from Troy after its fall to father a new race of heroes. That this was so had been common knowledge since the third century B.C. in the foundation legend that Virgil later made epic and Augustan in the Aeneid.
The Romans called the goddess they claimed as their genetrix Venus, however, not Aphrodite.
And this Venus, arguably, named the very essence of the correct relations with the gods that, if properly maintained, guaranteed Roman might. It is in this that Venus might rightly be understood as the “mother” and origin of Rome, for the foundation legend naming her as the ancestress and divine source of Roman power became current in the century that saw the beginning of Rome’s con- quest of the Mediterranean world."[Indra McEwen, Vitruvius]

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[perhaps agape is 6th [love reaching devotio] and eros is 12th [love become sophia], 7th is nuptial love [soul-mateship.] Jupiter in 6th may also indicate a lucky arranged marriage acc. to family custom or religious custom or close to one's tradition, someone from maybe one's kith and kin, a distant relative…]


And also, Venus in relation to sex and money:

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PostSubject: Re: Tantric Sex Sat Jun 04, 2016 8:43 pm

Perhaps this is what feminine philosophy is; sourcing... valuing, stitching together, weaving together from the finest materials, keeping treasure troves; the Feminine principle first as Wealth, Venus' first rulership; Wealth primarily being health,

Where Aries is mental health (Aries is a thinker, initiatives are thoughts, he knows how to translate a thought into an initial action) Taurus is physical health, not in the traditional sense of not being sick, but of having a body to enjoy, and a world to enjoy it in.

Gemini is evil. I mean it is profoundly wicked, immensely arrogant and masterful at detaching. It must be there that evil was figured out from two good; how to employ one good to manipulate the other; (I use evil joyfully, it is a good word, and I respect Gemini)  

only through the pain that this repeatedly created is the care in Cancer born, which is a selfish caring for other people; its love is true and blind. Leos love is rather the stuff of his consciousness, and very much contrived in the instances where no true love is ignited. But contriving is the seed of the true shaping power of Virgo.

Now Libra, where Venus has matured, and is able to engage other elements without resorting to partial trickery; the Cardinal Air sign 'gets things in order' and divides in the right proportions. So wealth takes on cosmic substance; it is made the firmament of the world.

"The kingdom of Osiris was vast and huge and massive and terrible. It streched from Earth to Earth and was Earthly as the fucks given by his own heart. So great was this realm that the heavens had descended upon the Earth to profit and maximize their potential. It is such that our heavens became so great; they inherited the ancient treasures of an Earth gone to dust."
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